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Speaker 1: is a Tuesday here at the Star in Frisco, Texas,
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Studios. Bill Jones with Mickey Spagnola, Rob
Speaker 1: Phillips and Brian brought us as we turned the page
Speaker 1: and get set for Eagles Week at a day off
Speaker 1: of the players here and the practices resume of course
Speaker 1: on Wednesday, and it's Eagles Week and of course a
Speaker 1: lot to get to with the Jets. Jerry Jones was
Speaker 1: just on the flagship station one oh five three the
Speaker 1: fan in Dallas Fort Worth talking about his head coach
Speaker 1: as well. Ask what happened in uh Sunday's game against
Speaker 1: the Jets, the twenty four twenty two loss. I guess
Speaker 1: we can probably start with that, but her first hello
Speaker 1: to everybody? Are you today? Good mon? Bill? Good morning,
Speaker 1: very good, very good. I also got the XFL Draft
Speaker 1: going on right now Brian brought us this is what
Speaker 1: a nerd I am. I'm actually tracking that draft. How
Speaker 1: does how do you like to pick? So far Landry
Speaker 1: Jones being your quarterback? You okay with that? That brings
Speaker 1: it back to the Cowboys right off the bab because
Speaker 1: Landry Jones was named after Tom Landry. There you go
Speaker 1: up where Lance Dunbar was drafted? Was he really? He
Speaker 1: wasn't seen that? Yeah? He was drafted? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: there are some interesting names. Did the locals get anybody
Speaker 1: worth note? Well? Landry Jones was the court got him? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he was the Desert their first round draft pick,
Speaker 1: with the fourth pick of the twenty and twenty I
Speaker 1: guess XFL draft. This is the skills portion of the draft.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Renegades select wide receiver Jeff Badet from Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: the University of Oklahoma. Oh, there's a common theme play there.
Speaker 1: He did. He was actually transfer from someplace I can't
Speaker 1: remember where he played one year there. Fast guy can
Speaker 1: really run. Yeah, that's exactly right. And so anyway, Christian Michael,
Speaker 1: we've had a cup of coffee here. Trey Williams, they
Speaker 1: were first round draft picks as well. So anyway, there's
Speaker 1: your XFL draft update. We'll keep you posted as the
Speaker 1: day goes along, or maybe not all right, Jerry on
Speaker 1: the radio, he was quizzed quite a bit about his
Speaker 1: head coach, and it sounds to me like there will
Speaker 1: not be a decision made on this head coach until
Speaker 1: after the season is over, as he said last week,
Speaker 1: and as he said, I mean really after the game too.
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not even glancing into the long term future.
Speaker 1: The future is this Sunday against the Eagles. That's all
Speaker 1: they're focused on right now. I don't know how many
Speaker 1: times he has to say it, but I guess you know,
Speaker 1: people feel the need. They got to ask. They got
Speaker 1: to ask when you've lost three games in a row
Speaker 1: and the expectations of the team has right, Mick, Oh, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And you know he also went on to say that
Speaker 1: you know they I don't know if they thought they
Speaker 1: were trying to trip them up or nothing with that
Speaker 1: philosophy question that right, And Eddy said if I disagreed
Speaker 1: with Garrett's philosophy, he wouldn't be the coach. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: for the ten years out. I'm glad Mickey pointed at
Speaker 1: out that was the one thing you know if you
Speaker 1: kind of take put it into a bow that I
Speaker 1: think that's the veteran reporter right there telling you that
Speaker 1: that that's that's the thing. Hey, if I didn't agree
Speaker 1: with his philosophy, if I didn't agree with how he
Speaker 1: managed the games. You know, I'm sure that Jerry is
Speaker 1: like a fan and know every fan's like, oh, go
Speaker 1: for it, No, don't go and then you know you
Speaker 1: had that buyer's remorse when it doesn't work. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like though that the question, one of the
Speaker 1: better ones they asked, was that, hey, do you agree
Speaker 1: with his philosophy? Do you agree with him and how
Speaker 1: he manages the games? And he says if I didn't
Speaker 1: agree with him, he wouldn't be the head coach, and
Speaker 1: so this is all up for evaluation at the end
Speaker 1: of the years. That's the way teams handle things. That's
Speaker 1: the way that Jones has handled things. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: the one time they clearly saw and Mickey and Rob
Speaker 1: will tell you that when Wade Phillips lost his team,
Speaker 1: the Joneses had had enough at that point they needed
Speaker 1: to try and do something differently. I don't feel like
Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett has lost his team, even though we've
Speaker 1: seen videos of guys walking by him supposedly not shaking
Speaker 1: his hand or you know whatever, I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Sometimes as a player, you walk off the field and
Speaker 1: you're just you just want to get to the bench
Speaker 1: and get a cup of gatorade and you don't notice
Speaker 1: anything going on around you. And it was two guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're making a big deal about that. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: to me, at the end of the year, you sit
Speaker 1: down and you evaluate where you're at with your coaching staff.
Speaker 1: You're either gonna win enough or you're not gonna win enough,
Speaker 1: and that's where the evaluation needs to be. He is
Speaker 1: without a contract. No one's ever asked Jason garrettman if
Speaker 1: he really wants to be here. Either he might and
Speaker 1: he might like be tired of this place too. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody's like, well, we're all tired of you. Well maybe
Speaker 1: he's like, well, maybe I can go out and do
Speaker 1: something else. You know, he's contracted us up at the
Speaker 1: end of the year, so keep that in mind as well.
Speaker 1: You know, we were talking about this yesterday off air.
Speaker 1: When's the last time in the National Football League you've
Speaker 1: seen a team make a coaching change with a franchise.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, the first place in their division. Okay,
Speaker 1: we I mean, you've seen hockey or Sailors Blues. They'll
Speaker 1: shuffle coaches and managers in and out, but the NFL
Speaker 1: that just doesn't happen. As as bad as this stretches,
Speaker 1: they still control what they want to do. What Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson said yesterday about his team is the same thing
Speaker 1: that Jason Garrett could say about his team. Now, Jason's
Speaker 1: not gonna say those type. He's not gonna come out
Speaker 1: and say that. I know Doug walked it back. That's
Speaker 1: not Jason's style, But the same thing holds true. They
Speaker 1: can still do what they want to do. People might
Speaker 1: say the Cleveland Browns last year when they made the switch,
Speaker 1: when they got rid of Hugh and then went and
Speaker 1: Greg Williams took over, and things kind of shifted a
Speaker 1: little bit for them that way, but they say played
Speaker 1: better the last time. A first place team, a team
Speaker 1: that still is in control, and you did qualify into
Speaker 1: what Brian said forty five seven, you lose. The Packers
Speaker 1: get blown out by the Jaguars the week before. Wait
Speaker 1: Phillips and we love him. He'd lost the team, the
Speaker 1: team had lost direction and that's why they made the change.
Speaker 1: They're not going to do that here. It's a good
Speaker 1: thing this is a football town and not a hockey town,
Speaker 1: because that guy would be fired already. Right if you're
Speaker 1: not aware, most of you probably aren't aware that Dallas
Speaker 1: Stars are one five and one to start the start, Yeah,
Speaker 1: out of here, let's go doing. But you know, the
Speaker 1: other thing they asked him if and they were trying
Speaker 1: to hint on the perception out there that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: aren't prepared to start a game, they're not motivated. And
Speaker 1: Jerry's answer to that they wanted to know what he'd
Speaker 1: does on game day. He said, I think he's tremendously
Speaker 1: organized on game day, So that shot down that line
Speaker 1: of questioning. Also, uh so yeah, and you know, and
Speaker 1: the weird thing is, Okay, you don't have your team
Speaker 1: prepared to start the game, right, but in ten minutes
Speaker 1: at halftime they come out playing like their hair is
Speaker 1: on fire. So what what what? What all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you got organized And last year they couldn't make
Speaker 1: half time adjustments. Now I can. Yeah, And so by
Speaker 1: the way, I just saw this and this is gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting. I'm trying to see where I wrote it down. Um,
Speaker 1: the Eagles, their defense has been scored on on the
Speaker 1: first possession five of the last six games. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys don't score on those first possessions. So now
Speaker 1: something's gonna give, right, Yeah, something's gonna happen, either one's
Speaker 1: not gonna score, or one's gonna score, or when you
Speaker 1: when you're I'd be interested. Just a thought from everybody
Speaker 1: if I could. I kind of on Twitter this morning,
Speaker 1: I kind of went the thought of a lack of
Speaker 1: offensive rhythm? Is that? Is that being too simplistic? Is
Speaker 1: that being with you? I was saying last night. Is
Speaker 1: there is their ability Mickey to move the ball just
Speaker 1: so fine? When you don't have I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: I'm not saying about the players on the field, But
Speaker 1: even when they have the players on the field, even
Speaker 1: when they have their full compliment or roster, is there
Speaker 1: is their margin of error so small that it hurts
Speaker 1: them to have any kind of rhythm? Am I am?
Speaker 1: I just making too much of something that probably isn't
Speaker 1: what it is. Well, if you look at the start
Speaker 1: of this pass game, all right, the h the Jets
Speaker 1: came out and they were four and out. They got
Speaker 1: one first down on the on the first play, and
Speaker 1: then they went three and out. Right, the Cowboys went
Speaker 1: three and out. Then the Jets had a fourteen play
Speaker 1: scoring drive, right, and then the Cowboys end up going
Speaker 1: eight plays and kick a field goal right, So, and
Speaker 1: then the Jets went no score. The Cowboys went no
Speaker 1: score thanks to well, there was a holding penalty. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the Jets didn't score, and then the Cowboys are they
Speaker 1: should have scored right, fourth and two, right, and then
Speaker 1: they score on one play. So it was very even
Speaker 1: to start the whole game saying, Okay, they didn't swell.
Speaker 1: The Jets didn't start real well either. Hey, but I
Speaker 1: mean you can look at all of that, but look
Speaker 1: at the Dallas drives. Okay, look the week before against
Speaker 1: Green Bay, there were a couple of picks, right that
Speaker 1: derailed possessions in the first half. Yeah, this time they
Speaker 1: weren't picks, but they were drops. I mean, when you're
Speaker 1: sitting there at the thirty two yard line with a
Speaker 1: third and four and there's a ball that clinks off
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup's hands, you're not moving the chains and you're
Speaker 1: kicking the feet in the fifty yard field go next possession,
Speaker 1: which was early second quarter. They're sitting there second and
Speaker 1: eleven and complete off gallops hands and when I write
Speaker 1: drop with an exclamation point, that's a drop. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: give them the benefit of the doubt. You have to
Speaker 1: go to a football focus, so you wind up so
Speaker 1: you wind up punting there. And people don't want to
Speaker 1: hear about this, but the coach says, we got to execute,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's execution there. You got to execute
Speaker 1: ball plays. To your point, I was thinking this, I
Speaker 1: think along the same lines as you. There's something about
Speaker 1: this offense that doesn't feel right, even when they're being productive. Okay,
Speaker 1: there came into this game with total offense leading the
Speaker 1: whole league yards. Yeah, okay, but just something about it
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be. Yeah, they hit on these plays,
Speaker 1: but what are the odds seven times out of ten
Speaker 1: that you're going to hit on those plays? You know?
Speaker 1: It just seems like there's there's a frantic there's something
Speaker 1: about it that's not right to me. I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is. I think you're right right that three
Speaker 1: and oh start, there was a there's a rhythm and
Speaker 1: there was a pace to their offense where they were
Speaker 1: kind of dictating things. Sure, and we're not the first half,
Speaker 1: we're not seeing it. But I think everybody's right because
Speaker 1: what I wrote in the mail bag because we had
Speaker 1: that question was asked to us on the website. It's
Speaker 1: it's a play here or there that's making the difference.
Speaker 1: Like Bill mentioned the drops, there was a penalty by
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin in the first fourteen yard play right there,
Speaker 1: taken out of the book where they would have been
Speaker 1: in the red zone. We've seen Dak take a sack
Speaker 1: that knocks him out of field goal range. Like there's
Speaker 1: just been different things that have happened that have that
Speaker 1: have stopped drives and and so I think you have
Speaker 1: to you really just have to look at each individual situation.
Speaker 1: And it's hard to say, oh it's one overarching thing.
Speaker 1: Oh they're they're flat or this or that. It is
Speaker 1: about execution to some degree, I mean, and they just
Speaker 1: haven't done it for whatever reason, consistent the possession before
Speaker 1: the Jets drove down and made it twenty one to three.
Speaker 1: Third and two, Jarwin has a drop that was a
Speaker 1: first down. Yeah, and you know it gets knocked out.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a drop the guy did, Joe,
Speaker 1: that was close. It was a test of bore there
Speaker 1: right right. And and so then the next possession they
Speaker 1: drive you know, in what twenty seconds? What was it
Speaker 1: twenty yeah, twenty seven seconds and they kick a field. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I mean I was just trying to find out,
Speaker 1: you know, because people don't want to hear the execution part.
Speaker 1: But and they blame it on the coach. And you know,
Speaker 1: the coach actually said that, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: things execution, he said it yesterday. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: put on the coaching staff. But I could say I
Speaker 1: kind of answered the question in a way of is
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin lining up a coaching problem? Is the drops
Speaker 1: a coaching problem? You know? And I just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to defend the coaches. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: they all have a hand at the at what the
Speaker 1: problems are. But when you look for reasons and when
Speaker 1: they use the word execution or lack of it, it
Speaker 1: does it applies to what they're trying to do here.
Speaker 1: You know, if if they if they're able to if
Speaker 1: they're able to catch these balls and make these throws
Speaker 1: and not mess up bail coverage, you know, and uncover three.
Speaker 1: If they do those things, then they then they get
Speaker 1: the rhythm. Then they don't. Then they're not so inconsistent
Speaker 1: down down at each I'm trying to say down after
Speaker 1: down on defense, sometimes we see something really good on
Speaker 1: defense and then the next place is something really bad
Speaker 1: and they have no consisting, no rhythm on offense, and
Speaker 1: then on defense they struggle from down to down sometimes
Speaker 1: and so you're trying to kind of figure out what's wrong.
Speaker 1: And then now throwing special teams, you have a field
Speaker 1: goal kicker that you know, he lines up on the
Speaker 1: forty yard line to kick and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he doesn't make it, and now you have that problem.
Speaker 1: Then he lines up at the other teams makes and
Speaker 1: he makes it. Yeah, it's so now you're struggling with that,
Speaker 1: and so to me, it's execution is and it's just
Speaker 1: the inconsistency that they have on defense from down to
Speaker 1: down is a real issue here. You can't get back
Speaker 1: to back place from this defense. You know, when you
Speaker 1: need to get off the field, you you just you're
Speaker 1: you're holding your breath, like okay, come on, come on, Quinn,
Speaker 1: come on Laurence. Somebody get a sack here, somebody gets
Speaker 1: some pressure somebody, you know, And what you're having to
Speaker 1: rely on is maybe you're getting a good enough rush
Speaker 1: where they get a holding and it takes them back.
Speaker 1: That seems to be the one thing that's stopping teams
Speaker 1: from having any success against you. So and here's the
Speaker 1: other thing that gets clouded when your defense is not
Speaker 1: playing well. Yeah, their last seven possessions in the game,
Speaker 1: last seven possessions, they go down to the seven yard line, right,
Speaker 1: gamble and lose, right, okay, and then it's punt field goal,
Speaker 1: field goal, missfield goal from forty which you should make, touchdown, touchdown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the off offense moving the ball, but they get
Speaker 1: one play or one miss field goal and it costs
Speaker 1: you ten points that and you lose by two. It's
Speaker 1: a good point by Mickey to me. Seven possessions and
Speaker 1: they punted once. Yeah, this is this is the situation
Speaker 1: you run into, is when you miss a field goal.
Speaker 1: To me, that's like a turnover. Yeah, I mean that's
Speaker 1: a turnover, you know, I mean, that's you know, and
Speaker 1: then so actually just turnovers. If you count the fourth
Speaker 1: and two, the ball you're absolutely right about that. So
Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm trying to. I think we're
Speaker 1: all trying to help Joe and Flower Mound out there
Speaker 1: understand what the problem is. You know, we're trying to.
Speaker 1: We're trying to. But then when you know, nobody wants
Speaker 1: to hear its execution, you know, yeah, coaching sure, players sure,
Speaker 1: front office sure, you know, broadcaster Brian broad Us sure.
Speaker 1: You know. I think we all kind of have a
Speaker 1: little bit of a of a thought or why or
Speaker 1: trying to trying to pin trying to pin it down.
Speaker 1: And when you say something that's simplistic, people don't want
Speaker 1: to buy that. They just im mediately want to say, nah, Na,
Speaker 1: what is the answer? Yeah, what is the answer? What
Speaker 1: is the end? And I think we're all trying to
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking to football people here, and you know,
Speaker 1: Mickey and everybody. We all talk to guys in this
Speaker 1: hallway and you know, and we say, hey, what is
Speaker 1: and guys will tell you, Hey, what I know. What
Speaker 1: I see is the things we're talking about here. But
Speaker 1: people don't want to buy that. They just don't. They
Speaker 1: just be like, oh well, just na, get rid of
Speaker 1: the coach. Yeah, okay, get rid of the coach. Sure,
Speaker 1: but how about the receiver that lined up wrong? How
Speaker 1: about the guy that Brian Braus talked about, is one
Speaker 1: a at wide receiver not stepping up and having a
Speaker 1: great game and helping you when you're one receiver is down.
Speaker 1: As you said, I had three balls slip right through
Speaker 1: my fingers. Yeah, you know. I mean that's that you
Speaker 1: wonder why, you wonder why you lose games, and then
Speaker 1: it's right there for you. It's right there for you
Speaker 1: to see. But we don't want to accept that. We
Speaker 1: want to look at something else and say, no, it's
Speaker 1: not that. It's not that Brian, you're dumbass. It's not
Speaker 1: that you know. Yeah, well, yeah, there are plays to
Speaker 1: be made. And Jason Garrett, to your point, did say
Speaker 1: yesterday anything that a player does or doesn't do, they
Speaker 1: were put in a situation by the coaching staff, right,
Speaker 1: so that it starts there. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there have been plays to be made in all of
Speaker 1: these three losses. I know, they didn't put up any
Speaker 1: touchdowns against the Saints. They had an opportunity in the
Speaker 1: end zone early in the game. They're like, they're Witten
Speaker 1: has a catching run where they're in position maybe to
Speaker 1: get into a field goal at the very least. Like
Speaker 1: the there are opportunities for this offense. And it's fun.
Speaker 1: I mean, this game Sunday could be decided in the
Speaker 1: first quarter, first half because the Eagles are in the
Speaker 1: same boat. Yeah, they've gotten They've gotten shut out in
Speaker 1: the first quarter I think four times this year. So
Speaker 1: who you know their quarterback will he'll throw it wide.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll throw it over their heads. I mean,
Speaker 1: who doesn't in the third quarter? Maybe see in that
Speaker 1: And that's why Peterson said what he said, and and
Speaker 1: and I saw column and the Philadelphia in choir is
Speaker 1: basically what he's saying is, I still think we have
Speaker 1: a good team, right, I still have confidence in my team. Right.
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm trying to brag that we're so
Speaker 1: much better than the Cowboys or anything. He's just trying
Speaker 1: to instill confidence in a team that, by the way,
Speaker 1: is three and three back and got run out of Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: They look bad, they look bad playing. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you watch that first quarter, first quarter and a half,
Speaker 1: the three big touchdown passes they had, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: A team that was struggling with Kirk Cousins at quarterback,
Speaker 1: and they ran the ball too much, by the way,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, Rossul Douglas looks like me
Speaker 1: out there playing corner. I'll tell you what, now, you
Speaker 1: know what making you probably backpedal better than him right now.
Speaker 1: Minnesota average six point one seven to play in that game,
Speaker 1: and they were perfectly balanced. And I know that drives
Speaker 1: people nuts, but they've fifty two percent run, forty seven
Speaker 1: percent pass. I know I didn't add the points whatever
Speaker 1: to it, but that's that's where they were at. They
Speaker 1: played a perfect game when you start talking, and they pressured,
Speaker 1: they got after, they got after the quarterback. You can
Speaker 1: make that you could rattle this guy. If you can
Speaker 1: get guys around him. He will kind of throw balls
Speaker 1: just like just to throw them. I mean he's the
Speaker 1: ball to the outside, could be wide. You know he can't.
Speaker 1: Sometimes he won't be accurate throwing the ball, or throw
Speaker 1: the ball high in the middle of the field. You
Speaker 1: know that. I had some drops too that yeah, that
Speaker 1: can sometimes do that too. But they had some drops
Speaker 1: all Sean Jeffrey, I mean they'd some that. You go
Speaker 1: back and watch him the Green Bay game they had
Speaker 1: They've had some drops, and they've had some problems on
Speaker 1: the offensive line too with protection. It's just the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have got to find a way to just put if
Speaker 1: you just could put one game together, you know, if
Speaker 1: you just don't have things that's you know that the
Speaker 1: stupid mistakes, you know, the turnovers, you know, conversions on
Speaker 1: third down, you know that that seemed to be right
Speaker 1: against the Jets. But you're gonna have to You're gonna
Speaker 1: have to find a way to get after the Eagles
Speaker 1: ass in this game. That's going to be the key
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Speaker 1: a single drive in the opponent's territory. The other thirty
Speaker 1: one teams have started an average of five point nine
Speaker 1: drives inside the opponent's territory, and four teams have started
Speaker 1: at least ten drives through six games inside the opponent's territory,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have none. I would say New England
Speaker 1: would probably be the team that's leading that right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: New England would be the team that started the most.
Speaker 1: They've had drives that have finished in the end zone
Speaker 1: by pick sixes or exact. Let's double check this real quick.
Speaker 1: Oh he's gonna check make he's gonna check that stat
Speaker 1: they have not. Yeah, Jordan Lewis gets your pick and
Speaker 1: he gets it right in the other in your own
Speaker 1: end zone. Basically. Yeah. As of as of last week,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were thirty first in the league in starting
Speaker 1: field position their own twenty three yard line. I'm it's
Speaker 1: worse this week so so far. The closest they've been
Speaker 1: to midfield three times at the forty six, which you'll
Speaker 1: take that. But but this gets back to, Okay, the
Speaker 1: offense having to run more plays to matriculate down the
Speaker 1: football field, you're going to have more opportunities for lack
Speaker 1: of execution, and it ties. It marries defense with offense.
Speaker 1: That's what makes football so great because you might be
Speaker 1: having all sorts of problems on football, but you can
Speaker 1: point a finger over to that defensive side and say, well,
Speaker 1: how come we haven't had any short fields? Yeah, your
Speaker 1: average basically the league averages you get won a game,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have had none in six games. But
Speaker 1: but the opponents only have two starting in Cowboy territory.
Speaker 1: You go, there you go, So maybe a defense there
Speaker 1: you go. That's a good store. Yeah, I would have
Speaker 1: never thought. But the other part of that. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not just takeaways though, it's how about a three
Speaker 1: and out exactly, and have them backed up to where
Speaker 1: they're punting from their own five yard line and you
Speaker 1: get a ninety two yard pass. Yeah, I mean that
Speaker 1: was the thought process. If you're going forward, right, you're
Speaker 1: thinking about at least you got if you're winning the
Speaker 1: field position, but play defense trying to punt from that end.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's what you're thinking about. I would give
Speaker 1: up on punt returns. I'd rush the punter every time
Speaker 1: because even if I get us in the fourth and two,
Speaker 1: just now, what's that? Yeah? It was, yeah, because that
Speaker 1: that's the that's the silver lining. If you don't make
Speaker 1: it right, if you can, if you can hold them there,
Speaker 1: if you can get them to go three and out there,
Speaker 1: then you get the ball. Get the ball to fifty
Speaker 1: yard the yard line, the old hidden yardage that Bill
Speaker 1: parcels us talk. You talk about that a lot. They
Speaker 1: don't get much on a punt return. The only thing
Speaker 1: they get is a penalty. Might as well just try
Speaker 1: to block it, you know, Okay, if you hit the punter,
Speaker 1: so what you know? You know what I saw you
Speaker 1: talk about referees and penalties. I don't want to go
Speaker 1: down the referee path again. They had a penalty they
Speaker 1: called a holding on a kickoff or term when the
Speaker 1: ball went out of the they kicked it out. They
Speaker 1: at that. How do you do that? To touch back?
Speaker 1: A touchback? They get a holding call on a touchback?
Speaker 1: How how did officials? How do you call that? I'll
Speaker 1: stop it. Well, even if you called it, did you
Speaker 1: pick up the fla it wants? It's no flag? Yeah,
Speaker 1: just pick it up. Just pick it up. Absolutely there.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to Joe in Maryland, your next
Speaker 1: up here on Talking Cowboys. Joe, Hey, guys, thanks wrapping
Speaker 1: me on again. I just wanted to get you guys
Speaker 1: his thoughts on coach Garrett. I remember listening to Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys back prior to the two thousand and fourteen season,
Speaker 1: and I was key in on every week with Brian
Speaker 1: trying to get our coach fired, which I was totally
Speaker 1: in ingreence with. But at that time he was on
Speaker 1: the hot seat. So maybe him being on the hot
Speaker 1: seat again is not necessarily a bad thing. But I
Speaker 1: also want to say that I think that Jason Garrett's
Speaker 1: an excellent talent evaluator. True, he's helped put together a
Speaker 1: great team, and I think he's kind of being the
Speaker 1: scapegoat here. I think there's deeper issues that's going on
Speaker 1: right now. I think the defense needs to be looked
Speaker 1: at the defensive coordinator position. And I mean, I would
Speaker 1: hate to give this guy, even though he's had, you know,
Speaker 1: quite a long time to get over the threshold. But
Speaker 1: I just don't think it's fair for him have let's
Speaker 1: make it to the NFC Championship and then him you know,
Speaker 1: that not be good enough if he does not and
Speaker 1: him lose his job. So I just wanted to get
Speaker 1: you guys thoughts on coach, and UM, I'll hang up
Speaker 1: and listen. You've been very fair. You've been You've been
Speaker 1: a lot more fair than I have about that, and
Speaker 1: I'll admit that. Um I think to me, though, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about coach, and we'll see what happens at the
Speaker 1: end of the day. You know, the Joneses are the
Speaker 1: ones who are going to have to, of course make
Speaker 1: the decision the contracts up. But you know, I'm willing
Speaker 1: to let this thing ride and see where it goes.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I was very fair to him,
Speaker 1: you know, early in the last three or four years
Speaker 1: for sure. But I'm also concerned about did I miss
Speaker 1: evaluate the talent on this roster? You know that did
Speaker 1: I Did I overrate the talent on this roster? He
Speaker 1: didn't overrate it on offense. We may have made a
Speaker 1: mistake on defense. Yeah, but Nicky, I just kind of
Speaker 1: feel like that, you know, I felt like that vander
Speaker 1: esh Smith make the big jump that secondary plays better.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I don't recognize this secondary
Speaker 1: right now. I don't. I don't recognize it, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't recognize the lack of a pass rush,
Speaker 1: a consistent pass rush. It might be the biggest thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, one weekend we're fighting run defense and the
Speaker 1: next weekend we're talking pass rush. But I don't recognize
Speaker 1: this this defense overall. And and I love Rod Marinelli.
Speaker 1: He's one of the most honest guys in the world.
Speaker 1: You know. I went up to him and I said, Coach,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we're having to rip you about your defense.
Speaker 1: He says, it's part of what goes on, Brian, it's
Speaker 1: part I appreciate his honesty. He's been at this a
Speaker 1: long time. There's something I should be as an old
Speaker 1: man myself, I should learn from that, you know. But
Speaker 1: the thing about coach, you know, give him this opportunity.
Speaker 1: It's we're a quarter of the way through the season.
Speaker 1: If things don't work out, they don't work out. If
Speaker 1: he gets it done, then by all means he earned it.
Speaker 1: He earned his extension. But I want to take just
Speaker 1: from my point of view, the thought is maybe that
Speaker 1: I overrated this roster overall, and that that in itself,
Speaker 1: maybe they're not a maybe they're not a Super Bowl roster,
Speaker 1: maybe they're not an NFC Championship roster. Maybe they're not
Speaker 1: a divisional roster. But I can't you know, they're right
Speaker 1: in the thicket things because Philadelphia is just in the
Speaker 1: baddest shape as you are, you know. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 1: that's the thing. That's the thing that when I go
Speaker 1: out jogging, that bothers me the most is that I
Speaker 1: that I felt like that I might have mis evaluated
Speaker 1: this roster. I'll let the coach do they'll take care
Speaker 1: of itself. But maybe the roster, that's that's an issue.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's what you misseevaluate though, if
Speaker 1: you just go buy your eyes. Like specifically, they talked
Speaker 1: about the defense, the way they played for the majority
Speaker 1: of last year. That's a young, talented group that did
Speaker 1: a lot of things well. Rams game wasn't was an
Speaker 1: exception for sure. And then we go to training care huh,
Speaker 1: I said, or well, there there was a game or
Speaker 1: two in that Colts game was bad Colts games that
Speaker 1: should have opened my eyes. But you go into training
Speaker 1: camp and you watch day after day this team go
Speaker 1: against each other in practice, and you see what this
Speaker 1: offense is capable of doing when they're healthy. How well
Speaker 1: does defense play every day an ox star when we
Speaker 1: watch and play that's a team that that's a defense
Speaker 1: that was flying around, flying around, secondary making plays. I mean,
Speaker 1: there is talent on this team, but they have not
Speaker 1: been consistent, no question about it. But they but they
Speaker 1: played well for four games, with the exception of two
Speaker 1: drives at the end of two of them. Think about it.
Speaker 1: It held the Saints to and I know who was
Speaker 1: playing quarterback, but you held them the thirteen points. But
Speaker 1: if you ask them, I mean, let's say, you know
Speaker 1: their own standard, I got you, you know, but these
Speaker 1: last two games, I don't recognize that I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't either. There's no pressure. Yeah, they're giving up big
Speaker 1: plays yeah, and not big plays big plays for touchdowns yeah,
Speaker 1: and and very few sacks. Where are they added sex?
Speaker 1: I appreciate you saying that that's not I don't think
Speaker 1: then they when they sit down as a unit and
Speaker 1: Christopher Shard, I don't think Christopher Shard has forgotten how
Speaker 1: to coach, or or Rod Marinelli. I think those guys
Speaker 1: are really two quality coaches, two coordinators that are outstanding.
Speaker 1: I feel like, though, that these guys have kind of
Speaker 1: let each other down. And again I feel bad that
Speaker 1: I came out and said, Layton Vanders is this? Jan
Speaker 1: let Smith's this a cheetah e Woosier is this? Xavier Woods?
Speaker 1: Is this? You know? Tank Lawrence is this boy? I'm
Speaker 1: glad they got. Mickey argued with me about how much
Speaker 1: would Robert Quinn really be effective? You know, I think
Speaker 1: he's been okay, But Mickey's right too, I haven't, you know,
Speaker 1: one on one he has got to win two sacks? Yeah, good,
Speaker 1: But you know, how about some of the other games.
Speaker 1: How about some of those other you know, how about
Speaker 1: the Packers game? How about you know how a little
Speaker 1: bit more pressure from Tank Lawrence and I'm not focusing
Speaker 1: on the fact of what Tank Lawrence makes and I understand,
Speaker 1: but he's going to have some one on one opportunities.
Speaker 1: I was praising the world the world of Collins, Malie Collins.
Speaker 1: He's up for contract. Da da da da da. MALIEK.
Speaker 1: Collins hasn't played Willie nearly as well enough as he
Speaker 1: needs to be. And probably they drafted Hill because they
Speaker 1: were worried about MALIEK. Collins even here, and then what
Speaker 1: is what is Hill done? Hill done anything? So I mean,
Speaker 1: I think that to me, the expectations that that were
Speaker 1: that maybe I set for this team were not realistic.
Speaker 1: And that's that's what bothers me the most. As I
Speaker 1: watched this defense play right now, that's what bothers me because,
Speaker 1: like I said, they are not consistent from down to down.
Speaker 1: They might get a stop and get a two yard
Speaker 1: a tackle for loss, and then the next play at
Speaker 1: second to twelve and they give up, like Mickey says,
Speaker 1: a fifteen yard. That's the thing. There are some chunk
Speaker 1: plays in this game. It's funny if you look at
Speaker 1: some of the stats postgame. Just were two to ten
Speaker 1: on third down. Yeah, yeah, and they couldn't run the ball.
Speaker 1: There were some good things in there, but then the
Speaker 1: ninety two yard touchdown happens when he doesn't get the
Speaker 1: third down because you're doing so well on first and second.
Speaker 1: Well two drives including the ninety two yards. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: they gave up five plays of twenty four yards or
Speaker 1: more and they get two sacks. So now that's fourteen
Speaker 1: sacks for the season, and I think that puts them
Speaker 1: on pace for thirty seven That is mediocre. And two
Speaker 1: hits on Sam Darnold, yeah only Yeah, so at your
Speaker 1: quarterback got hit eight times, right, and that was a
Speaker 1: deal where you're in a situation where there and Mickey
Speaker 1: was very accurate about this, is talking about their offensive
Speaker 1: line was a mess. You know, their offensive line legitially
Speaker 1: it was a mess coming into this game, and you
Speaker 1: were not able to take advantage of guys moving around
Speaker 1: playing other positions. I understand Sam Darnold was able to
Speaker 1: move around, but you just did not attack him in
Speaker 1: that pocket to affect the game the way it needed
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Speaker 1: if you want to put that on coaches for saying, hey,
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Speaker 1: That seemed like what happened that first half for me,
Speaker 1: and Jerry Jones sort of alluded to that the play
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Speaker 1: you're next up. I'm talking cowboys. Kevin. Hey, thanks guys
Speaker 1: for having me first and foremost. Thanks for everything you
Speaker 1: guys do. My question, I know we um all week.
Speaker 1: You hear about the next man up. Coach says it
Speaker 1: all the time. I want to really talk about that.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about the guys are up. I mean,
Speaker 1: and let's start with our defense. I mean, where's Lauren
Speaker 1: spend Um? Sure? What about Vanish? Vanish has been you
Speaker 1: know he had ten tackles, but Smith and you guys
Speaker 1: could correct me or if I'm wrong after I hang up.
Speaker 1: But I believe he only had three in the Jets games. Um,
Speaker 1: you know we talk about you know, the most important
Speaker 1: thing to me this week is is guys can help
Speaker 1: me if I left both tough tackles to be back.
Speaker 1: So poor dak Um is standing up right, not on
Speaker 1: his butt all the whole game. Um. You know, people
Speaker 1: talk about dak Prescott, you know, and I'll give him
Speaker 1: two words if you don't think that's a tough quarterback, UM,
Speaker 1: just go watch that Jets game and it pretty much
Speaker 1: tells the till in that game right there. But um, Mick,
Speaker 1: this is to you, though. Do you see us bringing
Speaker 1: anybody in UM over the bye week, especially like a
Speaker 1: kicking UM? Or do you don't see anybody out there
Speaker 1: that's worthwhile UM to replace? UM? I'll let you guys. Wait, wait, my,
Speaker 1: not that good? All right, all right, thanks guys. I
Speaker 1: mean checking out that kicking carousel out there. Yeah, Cody
Speaker 1: Parkey was the last kicking signed off the free agent heap.
Speaker 1: Mike Nugent was like the Nugent? How old's he? He's
Speaker 1: still kicking in New England? Right? He was? He was
Speaker 1: just prior to Park Nugent was signed England. There's not
Speaker 1: a lot of kickers out there. Bryant signed with Atlanta
Speaker 1: in August and he's forty six years They missed the game,
Speaker 1: you know in Arizona night. My answer to you, has
Speaker 1: scored touchdowns and he may be released soon. They were
Speaker 1: one five. She along with the coach. He's older than
Speaker 1: the coach, isn't he? Yeah, Bryant probably, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you can make a trade to match
Speaker 1: what happened last year to make a significant difference on
Speaker 1: this team. You know, maybe even kind of spoke to
Speaker 1: it yesterday. They just want to get some guys healthy,
Speaker 1: fifth or sixth round pick somewhere fourth. I don't know,
Speaker 1: But how good's that guy gonna be? Like Snacks Harrison moved,
Speaker 1: But is that the type of player? Remember last year
Speaker 1: Detroit picked him up? Yeah, you know from the Giants.
Speaker 1: That Giants were having a fire sale a little bit
Speaker 1: and they gave Snacks up for a fifth round pick.
Speaker 1: You know, I know that Alex Loomis and Henry Schroka
Speaker 1: and all those guys are working hard on trying to
Speaker 1: kind of figure some things out. And now the Jets
Speaker 1: supposed lay are going to have some sort of fire
Speaker 1: sat or maybe not. Yeah, well I got New England
Speaker 1: this weeks. The change their mind if they don't beat
Speaker 1: New England there one in five. Yeah, I you know,
Speaker 1: I think that you have to try. I think you
Speaker 1: have to try and take advantage of some situations if
Speaker 1: you can, absolutely do that. Need to kind of get
Speaker 1: with those guys and see if there's a player too
Speaker 1: that they have in mind that maybe I can look
Speaker 1: at as well. But as far as i'm I'm not
Speaker 1: banking Mickey, correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not banking
Speaker 1: on these offensive tackles being available to Oh. He asked that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the best you would do is get one of the two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that would be tiring. Yeah, but I don't know
Speaker 1: about that. It sounds like to me to the the
Speaker 1: workout didn't go so well. Yeah, Sunday, the workout didn't
Speaker 1: go well. And then also too, they've got some big
Speaker 1: concerns about Amari Cooper's quad as well, and so that's
Speaker 1: a bruise there that's in the way. Jason answered the
Speaker 1: question about Anthony Brown. I don't know that he's back. Ye,
Speaker 1: Wole Collins told us he's feeling better, But it's a
Speaker 1: it's an mcl of course, takes it takes a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, you know, So we'll see if he can
Speaker 1: do anything this week. The bye week's coming at a
Speaker 1: good time in one respect, but in the other respect,
Speaker 1: you need these guys to go win this game on
Speaker 1: Sun before the Philadelphia get Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And
Speaker 1: you know, Cobb's another thing. If he could just get back,
Speaker 1: then you've got he can be the second wide receiver
Speaker 1: with Gallup. Yeah, but now the way the way they
Speaker 1: played it and ended up being Tavon and then at
Speaker 1: times they had to bring in Ventel Bryant. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was his first time he'd played in the NFL's true.
Speaker 1: You had two guys playing for the first time in
Speaker 1: the NFL. Well, second time for Brandon Knight, he played
Speaker 1: a quarter and a half. Yeah, I would, I would
Speaker 1: if you can get Cobb back out there. I saw
Speaker 1: Mickey old buddy number thirty eight on the field for
Speaker 1: the Eagles Orlando Scandrick playing Nickels stuff. He's eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's over thirty eight. So yeah, if if you can
Speaker 1: find and Jeff Heath can exchange, Yeah, we'll see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. But you know, to me,
Speaker 1: or don't leave Heath in single high coverage. Yeah, Wood's
Speaker 1: back there. I wonder if they if they keep Rashul
Speaker 1: Douglas on the field, I know we'll get into these
Speaker 1: guys tomorrow. Man, if you don't attack him, then by
Speaker 1: all means change the coaches out. I don't mean that
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, but to me, it's they've got some
Speaker 1: issues in the secondary. You just got to find a
Speaker 1: way to protect. He just got to find a way
Speaker 1: to protect on this maybe hot he report. They put
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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola's picture. You know, right, I could have done, Micky.
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