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Speaker 1: And uh hey, let's get to this podcast with Mo Shepherd.

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Speaker 1: the mama. Well about that time, the twottle cubs side,

428
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna come my direction, so they can good a chance.

429
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: They didn't say, you know. They just turned and started

430
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: at the heads down, playing one right beside the other

431
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: and coming right towards me. And then they got within

432
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: two or fifteen yards of mean, this ain't gonna be good.

433
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: So in a low voice, I said, hey, hey, like that,

434
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: and I remember one of them just kind of stopped

435
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: and looking, and it saw me. When it saw me,

436
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: I just kind of had my bow in my hand.

437
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: I just kind of waved my bones as this wouldn't

438
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: recurve but my recurve, but one of my recurs. I

439
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: just waved the bow at it like that, and it

440
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: started up. They jumped into the bushes right there in

441
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: ten yards from me, probably into those pop all bushes.

442
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: And I still hadn't seen them embarrass so I don't

443
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: know where she's at, well made sense. I looked up

444
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 1: and she was coming out the same way the cubs came,

445
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, she's gonna she's gonna cent trail them,

446
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: so she's gonna come towards me. So I started backing up.

447
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: And when I go to backing up, she sees movement,

448
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: so she kind of looks towards me on all fours

449
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: there and looks my way, and I just stopped. And

450
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 1: then I don't remember exactly what happened then, but I

451
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: know I thought I need to get on out here.

452
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: So I don't remember if I said something through or

453
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: I just card backing up. When I did, I didn't

454
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: know what one of those cubs wasn't ten ft from me.

455
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: It climbed up Popaul bush and was there looking at me.

456
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: And when I backed up that time, did that little

457
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: ball like they do, uh you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

458
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: that was pretty good and do that And when it

459
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: done that, she bore her head jerked up, and I

460
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: remember saying stuff like, hey, hey, mama, Barry, I'm not bothering.

461
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 1: I'm not bothering. I'm gonna get out here. I just

462
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: started backing up, and every time I take a step,

463
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: a little cub and finding it. She could see me,

464
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: and I thought, well, I gotta do something different, because

465
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: I could see she was getting in that mode. She

466
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: was standing there in yards from me. I still had

467
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: my bow in my hand. You could you could see

468
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 1: her posture by posture change. It was more puffed up, yeah,

469
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: just kind of drawing up. So I saw. I thought, well,

470
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: I need to do something a little ladder how I

471
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: saw hollered at her. Then I said, hey, barrot, get

472
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: out of here. You know I'm getting out here, and

473
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: I started backing up. Well, I don't remember for the

474
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: cub said something or what, but I know within two

475
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: sets she made one loud it's kind of like that,

476
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: and before I could bat an eye, she was on me.

477
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: I mean, just like four big leaps and she was

478
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: right at me. And I don't remember when I've done it,

479
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: but I stuck my bowl between me and her, and

480
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: she went to biting at my bow and popping her teeth.

481
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: And I was a holler and just alloud as I

482
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: could holler, and backing up the whole time, and she

483
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: just kept coming forward, coming forward, I remember a couple

484
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: of times she snapped at me, and once I think

485
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: she even kind of squatted her paw towards me, But

486
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: she didn't hit me or anything. She just I don't know,

487
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: she might have been just hitting leaves. I've seen him

488
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: do that before. And uh. And then she made a

489
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: lunge at me, and I think she was going to

490
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: try to knock me down in and when she did,

491
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: I was, I guess I was ready. I don't even

492
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: remember that I've done it, other than I remember doing

493
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: it after I done it. When she learned at me,

494
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: I jerked my leg up, but I kicked her right

495
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: in the face with my boot and she jumped back then,

496
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: and me hollering this whole time. You notice hollering real loud,

497
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, get out of here, Get out of here,

498
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: Get out of here. I just kept backing up and

499
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: backing up, and she kept coming towards me, and me holler,

500
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: she kept coming after you. Yes, made contact. I hit

501
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: her in the face. She still come at me, and

502
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: I went to holland real loud then, and I remember

503
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: she come up her close again. I gathered her with

504
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: the into my recurved bowl right in the face. Two

505
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: or three times hollering at her, and I guess I

506
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: finally got far enough away from those cubs that she

507
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: realized I wasn't gonna bother them then, so she just stopped.

508
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: And I just kept backing up, hollering, backing up, and holland,

509
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: backing up and holland, and uh, she I think she

510
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: coming towards me in a few steps again, and I

511
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: holler realized again she stopped, and I just kept back

512
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: and I never stopped. I was kept backing up, and

513
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: and uh, when when I got, I guess far enough

514
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: away from her, she didn't feel endangered I was gonna

515
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: bother her cubs. She turned and went into the poppap

516
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: bushes where the cubs was, and I could see them,

517
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: and she sniffed around him and kind of rear it

518
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: up and squatted that one on that bush and it

519
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: come down, and then she started walking off with him.

520
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: I just kept backing up and got plumb out of

521
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: side of him. I probably backed up for hunter yards

522
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to turn my back because I

523
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: didn't know she might come running back or whatever. When

524
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: I felt safe, then I was out of breath and

525
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: really really nervous and I sat down, and that's the

526
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: first time I realized that I sat down. And sometime

527
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: during that whole episode, I pulled an arrow out of

528
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: my quiver. I carry a quiver on my side, and

529
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: I pulled an arra out of my quiver and had

530
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: it gripped in my hand. And I guess, in case

531
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: she got me down, I was gonna use it for

532
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: a weapon. I guess. I didn't even remember doing that,

533
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: but but that was that was the whole episode of it.

534
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: It's pretty scary. Yeah, she was probably a hundred senti

535
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: five pound mama bear, got normal female bear for these

536
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: mountains out here, and but a hundred seventy five pounds

537
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: too big. Yeah, but that's a really you know, you

538
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: hear the stereotype of people saying that South bear with

539
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: cubs is real dangerous. I have never let me think

540
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: about that. I don't All the South Bears that I've

541
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: ever messed with, and most of them would have been

542
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: around baits, have been super lackadaisical with their cubs. So

543
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: so I say that to say that is a rare experience. Well,

544
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: I've run across some several times before that out in

545
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: the mountains and and stuff and and uh, in fact,

546
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: two or three years before that, I had one dude

547
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: like your story us tell, and I had one to

548
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: smell my scent trail that had two cubs with her.

549
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: Smelled it right to the tree. I went up and

550
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: she read up on the tree and I hollered at her,

551
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 1: and she kind of wolfed at me a little bit

552
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: and then dropped down and I was hollering at her

553
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: pretty loud. I was in the climber stand in that

554
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: kind of that same area, but not really close to

555
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: where this happened to me. And that was a couple

556
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: of years before that. And she, uh, she went off

557
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,239
Speaker 1: then and went up to her cubs and they went

558
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: on around the mountain. But you know, she done what

559
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: you said that guy did. I watched her. I was

560
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: watching my thought, that's pretty neat washing these bears, you know,

561
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: little cubs, and they were bigger though they were like

562
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: a year and a half old ubs, you know, they

563
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: were probably pounds something like that and yearling cubs. And

564
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: but when she hit my cent trail, and I don't

565
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: care what anybody says about rubber boot aything, I had

566
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: rubber boots and you sent away and she picked my

567
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: sent up just like that with them where I wore

568
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: the rubber boots in and come right to the tree

569
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: I's in. But she didn't get a really aggressive or anything.

570
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: She just she she wanted I guess see where I

571
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,719
Speaker 1: was at. Yeah, well, listen to this story. This is

572
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: this would be like the exact opposite of what just

573
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: happened to you. This year when we were baiting bears

574
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: on them, we caught the mule bait back in there.

575
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: We got to go in on the mules. Man, when

576
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: when that bait gets cranking, you better get up in

577
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: there and bait those bears quick and get out of

578
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: there quick. That's what I've learned because this has happened

579
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: several times now. Because you go in and uh tie

580
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 1: the mules up within, you know, as close as you

581
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: can't into the bait, so you don't have to carry

582
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: the bait very far, and uh you've got about twenty

583
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: minutes to get stuff done before bears start coming in there. Well,

584
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: this year I had shepherd, my youngest son with him,

585
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: he's eleven, and we had Ace the mule and Easy

586
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: the mule up there, and uh we had to unshuck

587
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: a lot of bread and do a bunch of stuff.

588
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: And so it took us a little bit of time,

589
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: well about twenty minutes in. I see the ears on

590
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: those mules just put just sticking straight up, and I

591
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: knew a bear was kind and uh, and I look out,

592
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: and sure enough, there's a bear that's kind of just

593
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: like shadow in the bait. You know, he's just you

594
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: just see little bits and pieces of him moving around,

595
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: moving around, and and so we just started working a

596
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: little bit faster. And anyway, the bear finally stays out

597
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: there for long enough that it just gets brave enough

598
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: that it just it just comes walking in. I mean,

599
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: just just like it was gonna run us off the bat.

600
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: And we've got two mules tied to trees right here.

601
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: Me and shepherd are there, and um and that bear

602
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: it was kind of angling towards the bait. Wasn't coming

603
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: directly towards it. It wasn't just like walking straight towards me.

604
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: But I mean it was walking on a trajectory that

605
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: was gonna put it probably five yards from me. And

606
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: finally I I just start talking to it, Hey bear, Hey, hey,

607
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: hey hey hey, and uh, and it kind of bows up,

608
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: just like just like you said, your bear bear did,

609
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: and I could tell it wasn't gonna mess with me,

610
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: and it it uh, I mean I had to get

611
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: on it and move towards it and stomp around to

612
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: get it run off. Well, it was a sal with

613
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: two little bitty cubs, and the cubs were back in

614
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: the woods, so she sent made them stay out there,

615
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: and she came in. Well, no sooner than we got done,

616
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and we're leading those mules away. We weren't forty yards

617
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: from that bait when those two cubs in that sal

618
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: just came trotten in. And and anyway, the point being

619
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: that she wasn't afraid of us, and she wasn't concerned

620
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: about those cubs. But your situation was different because there

621
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 1: was no human intrusion that they didn't know there was

622
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: a human around. And the first human that she looked

623
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: like a young bear too, maybe the first human that

624
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: Southberry had ever seen. Yeah, yeah, up close and personal

625
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: bumps in her woods. Yeah. I've had only one sow

626
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: while I was hunting well, and I'm thinking of hunting here.

627
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean in Saskatchewan, I had that one touched into

628
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: my arrow um. And then while hunting in Oklahoma one

629
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: time here I had a sow that just wouldn't leave

630
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: me alone, that kept coming around the tree. Now she

631
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: didn't have cubs with her, and she ran up the

632
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: tree a couple of times and got probably within two

633
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: feet of my platform. But other than that, I've never

634
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: I've never had an experience like what what you had

635
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: with one. I never have another one like that. Yeah, yeah,

636
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: And I love the bear hunt. So have you ever

637
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 1: had had any other like Harry encounters? Well, this year

638
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: one got pretty close to me. I think I told

639
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: you about earlier in the muzzloader season on the day

640
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: I was spot stock hunting that early muzzloader. Yeah, what happened?

641
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: I can't remember you you spotting stock bear hunt to

642
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: see a bear, hopefully in the year's hunting. I saw

643
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: three that one day, Yeah, to to look like two

644
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: and a half year old bears. And this third one

645
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: was probably I don't know, but it wasn't much bigger.

646
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: It might even be in these these bears, Mama a

647
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: year before you know that she was. This one was

648
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: a waste from him, didn't It wasn't nothing big bears.

649
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: But the last one when I saw it, it it wasn't

650
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: twenty five yards from me. First tried saying got pretty close,

651
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: but they went on about their way. They never smelt

652
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: me or anything. When this one smelled me, I think

653
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: that's what did goes It kind of half come up

654
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: on its hind feet and do like they do. It

655
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: was you know how that suck that area and through

656
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: their nose trying to smell. When it did, then finally

657
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: it dropped down and didn't just stared right at me and

658
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: and just started towards me. And I didn't made my mind.

659
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna kill the bear because it I told

660
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: myself when I went that morning, unless I see a bear,

661
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: it's three hundred pounds or so, I'm not gonna take it.

662
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: And then I about changed my mind. I thought, Barry,

663
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 1: keep coming, this hundred senty five bound bear, I may

664
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: take you. But it got within probably thirty feet of me,

665
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: and but all it's all fours. And when it got

666
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: that close, I thought, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna holler

667
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: at it, and if it don't leave here, then I'm

668
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it. Because I had my muzzle loader

669
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: up and ready, and and I hottered at it, and

670
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 1: it kind of half reared up and woofed at me

671
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: a couple of times and dropped down and kept looking

672
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: over its shoulder and then mannard off back through the woods.

673
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's a male or female.

674
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: It looked more like a female because it didn't have

675
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: a just the way you know, their demeanor is their

676
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: heads are more slender looking to me, they are anyway,

677
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: the females. And but that was a that was a

678
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: close experience. And but it did never scare me because

679
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: it never did seem aggressive. But I think it was

680
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: just wanting to make sure that I was there. Something

681
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me tell you too, something that's

682
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: happened to me two different times, um while on the

683
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 1: ground with bears, not over bait. Two of the bears

684
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: that I've killed National Forest with a recurb in the

685
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: last or four years, both of them did the same thing.

686
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 1: The bear that I killed over the water that one year.

687
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: It's on videos and people can watch it. That bear

688
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: came into that water and I was knelt on the ground,

689
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: you know, eight yards away, and it didn't have a care,

690
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: It didn't see me at all until it like kind

691
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: of popped into the opening that that water was in

692
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: and it never looked. It never just made straight eye

693
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: contact with me. But it saw something and it's peripheral

694
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: vision that it didn't like. And that bear slightly changed

695
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: directions and jumped into the water over a sapling about

696
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: as big around as your ring finger. But push that

697
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: sap plan over and it was showing aggression. That's what

698
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: that was. Bears, when they're showing aggression, a lot of

699
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: times they'll walk over saplings or shake trees or stomp

700
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: and so this bear kind of made a quick movement

701
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: and it splashed the water and stepped over that sapling,

702
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: never looked at me. And I on the comments on that,

703
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: a couple of people made comments of I can't remember

704
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: what it was, but they didn't interpret it that. But

705
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, there was no question the bear

706
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: was showing aggression to whatever I was and it didn't know.

707
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two this year, the bear that

708
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: I killed on the ground. Um, you know, we're always

709
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: so concerned about scent, and you've got to be. But

710
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: the bear that I killed this year smelled me, but

711
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 1: not until he was so close. It was too late

712
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: if he'd have smelled me a hundred yards away. So

713
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: the bear came in and he was there was kind

714
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: of a cross wind, you know, and the bay I

715
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: see the bear forty yards behind me. I'm on the

716
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: ground and the bears coming to me, and there's kind

717
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: of a cross wind, and I I know once he

718
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: gets to this certain point, he's gonna cross my wind. Well,

719
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm up and around and waiting for him and ready,

720
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: just watching him. I need him to come into my wind. Well,

721
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: when he hits my wind, he immediately sees me and

722
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: wins me at the same time, and he tenses up

723
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: and he he makes a quick he makes a quick

724
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: People can't see what I just did. I just kind

725
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: of staunched the ground like a like a gorilla stomping

726
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: the ground. It was nuanced though, like if you didn't

727
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: know it, you would have just saw he just took

728
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: a quick step, but he was he was trying to

729
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: spook me. And then he he kind of I had

730
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 1: me and kind of cat walk just a little bit.

731
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: And he didn't just take off sprinting, but he changed

732
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: his direction and by now he's only thirteen yards and

733
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: kind of quartering away. So it's actually perfect and I

734
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: was able to shoot him. But both those bears knew

735
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,719
Speaker 1: I was there and and showed some aggression. You know.

736
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: They well, the first bird didn't smell me on the pond.

737
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: Second bear smelled me and saw me and didn't just

738
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 1: bust off run. But it's it's it's a nuance deal because,

739
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: like we said, if it had been a hundred yards away,

740
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,959
Speaker 1: I had never saw that bear. He had just turned

741
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: and left. You know. You know, I've seen a lot

742
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: of bears to the years, whether I've been turkey hunting,

743
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: deer hunting, just scouting whatever and hunting them too, and

744
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: and I've seen numerous bears. I say numerous that I

745
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: can remember offhand five or six different bears that I've

746
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: got close to her. They've got close to me. And

747
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: one was during turkey season about three years ago. And

748
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: when it when it crossed my scent path, it came

749
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: towards me a ways. And then when I finally let

750
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: it know I was there, it done this is what

751
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: you said. It this kind of lunched and popped its

752
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: feet and it is one of must ten you while

753
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 1: gold it actually took its paw and squatted some leaves, uh,

754
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: slung leaves out in front of it like that in

755
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: like that and then I hollered that and it finally

756
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: turned and walked off. But yeah, it looked like a

757
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: male that was probably three pounds. It's a good size bear.

758
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: Huh ll interesting critters. They are very interesting and and

759
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: they're they're fun to hunt, whether you hunt them spot

760
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: and stock over bait, however, they're they're interesting creature. You're

761
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: pretty good at the animal vocalizations, aren't you? Most times

762
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: you got a pretty good Uh got a pretty good

763
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: bear wolf? You know one thing that I have totally

764
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 1: that's a totally off topic of what we're talking about.

765
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: But all the good Arkansas woodsman that I know are

766
00:41:53,840 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: good ol hooters. Did you mose got a good ol hoot? Good? Who?

767
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: Who taught you that? I taught myself that did you? Yes?

768
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: I did? Who? Who? You had to have heard somebody

769
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: to do it with their mouth? I mean, did your

770
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: dad call with his mouth? No? My dad didn't turkey hunt,

771
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: but I did. My brother in law that I first

772
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: ever turk in with. He's passed away now, but we

773
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: hunted quite a bit when I was young, when I

774
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: was just a teenager. That's where who I started turkey

775
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 1: hunting with. And uh uh he who died with his voice,

776
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 1: but it sounded totally different from mine did. But I

777
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: kind of watched him a little bit, seeing hey huffed

778
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: air and stuff and a pretty good turkey hunter. He

779
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: was a good turkey hunter. And uh and like I said,

780
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: he's the first one I ever took that ever took

781
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: me turkey on because my dad didn't turkey hunt. He

782
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: took me turkey out. And when I was about fifteen,

783
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 1: which would have been back in there wasn't very many

784
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: turkeys out in the mountains. But that's that's what Mark

785
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: got me interested. And then when I was probably in

786
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: my early twenties two, I tried a little bit, but

787
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: it sounded like like he's choking a donkey or something.

788
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: It didn't sounds very good choking, but seriously, and and

789
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,439
Speaker 1: I got to where i'd be driving to work or whatever,

790
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to do it out in the

791
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: woods while I was hunting. Would try it while I

792
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: was driving by myself, somewhere, you know, where nobody could

793
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: hear me. And one day I've done something and boom

794
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: came out and sounded that sounded like that might be

795
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: a good al hood. So I went to doing it

796
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: then and then got it vocalized in and and I've

797
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: been doing it ever since. Can you can you describe

798
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: how you do it? I want to. I want to

799
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: hear you do it. You gotta you got the trill.

800
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's called up. Do you know

801
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about? Kobe so so a bar it out?

802
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: So what what turkey hunters? And and it's become in

803
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: I feel like the bared owl is like the the

804
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: animal of the South or the bird the bird of

805
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: the South. Like everybody al hoo. It's like Dad and

806
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: I al hoo to to communicate back when we're hunting.

807
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, al hood if you do this, you do

808
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: that one. Uh like the several times I've done it,

809
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: done it Turkey hunting, lack of an evening, uh be

810
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: like when my one of my nephews not together. I've

811
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,719
Speaker 1: got a couple of friends turkey will hooted each other

812
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: so we know we're the other persons at because we

813
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: know what each other's who sounds like yeah yeah yeah.

814
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: Well So Bardell has a it's got a series of calls. There.

815
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: There's one full call that has like six or eight notes,

816
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: eight notes, eight notes, and then they'll do a half

817
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: call where it's just like four notes four notes, But

818
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: when they really get serious, they'll do a trill. I

819
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: don't know if that's the right word, but like I

820
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: call it, I call it a kind of a almost

821
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: a laugh at the end of it or something. And

822
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: then they have an actual loud laugh. I call it this. Yes,

823
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: when they when two of them get have you ever

824
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: heard of aren't to do that? Have you ever heard

825
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: me do that? No? But I've tried it myself. Well,

826
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: let's hear you all. Let's hear you all. Well you

827
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: said describe how okay? Yeah, because you're right, there's a

828
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: you pitch the you pitch the noise to the roof

829
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: of your mouth. Yeah, and it's gotta come and it's

830
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: got to come out of your vocals down like just

831
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: in the upper part of your chest. And where I

832
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: get it started, I have to get an air lock

833
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: in my throat and like what I do is I

834
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: swallow air for about three gulps and then I break

835
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: loose and I can get the perfect allehood out of it. Yeah. Okay,

836
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: So you got me to do? Is this too close?

837
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: It's probably okay? Maybe maybe pull it up? Yeah, Yeah,

838
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: And I'll let you be able to hear that me

839
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: swallowing there to get ready for it. That's good. And

840
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: once I do that, then I can do two or

841
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: three hoots like that. But after two or three then

842
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: I have to do the air again. Or like talking,

843
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: I've never I've never seen anybody to do that, and

844
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I'll do it again. I'll make using a deeper I mean,

845
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: I can make different tone. You probably do it better

846
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: standing up to couldn't you probably so? Yeah, And but

847
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: I'll do this one like a deeper, more bigger alt

848
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: same way. That's good. That's good. The global premiere of

849
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: of the Yeah, oh this is this is this is

850
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: most shepherd and rare form. Right, I've heard that it

851
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: sounds just like that. The laugh was good. Sometimes I

852
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: will make a turkey guy boll won't that's right? Huh Yeah.

853
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just have to Sometimes you just have to

854
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: give him a three note. Some of the real good

855
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 1: turkey hunters I've hunted with in Arkansas, the first note

856
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: they'll do would just be the just a three or

857
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: four note. Just listen, you know you don't you don't

858
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: want to give him more. It's only gonna take less. Well,

859
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: And also a lot of times you only get one

860
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: gob without of turkey. I know we're talking about turkey now,

861
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: but you get one gobl out of turkey a lot

862
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: of times without they pull your pull your mic back up.

863
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: A lot of times you want to get can you

864
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 1: hear that? Now? There? You go a lot of times

865
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: you only get one gobla al hood or something other

866
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: and well, I've learned my first one usually is like

867
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: you said, olschool, because when you go the eight note,

868
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: A lot of times a turkey o gobble while you're

869
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: in your second series and you can't tell where he came,

870
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: so you you give him the half one he doesn't

871
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: answer the harder, and then if he doesn't answer, then

872
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: maybe maybe laugh or do it louder. Yeah, yeah, no. Uh.

873
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: This is highly relevant to bear hunting because listen, if

874
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be a bear hunter, you gotta be a woodsman.

875
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 1: And if you're going to be a woodsman, you gotta

876
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: you got it. I mean, the reason is a good

877
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: hunter is because he's a good turkey hunter. He's a

878
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: good deer hunter, he's a good bear hunter, he's a

879
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: good squirrel hunter. I mean, you're out in the woods.

880
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: That's the thing. And that's why it takes I mean,

881
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: that's the places that I've been successful, bear hunting and

882
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: National Forest. I've been successful because I know that country

883
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: real good, because I deer hunt, turkey hunt, bear hunt there.

884
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: You know you you really do. And and a lot

885
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: of people, a lot of people I've took hunting with me,

886
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: whether it's turkey hunting or I'll probably take more people

887
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: turkey in because I'm a I'm a pretty much loner

888
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to deer hunting, especially if I'm spotting

889
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: stock cutting. I want I don't want one what else around?

890
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,720
Speaker 1: I usually did it by myself. But like in turkey season,

891
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: I may be walking somebody turkey hunting and when we'll

892
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: get the spot to take her ask and I'll say, hey,

893
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: do you notice that those old rubs there? Did you

894
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 1: notice that? Or did you notice there was an old

895
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: scrape or licking branch it was broke down? Not even

896
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: people that go turke hunting when you don't even see

897
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah, Yeah, that's when you learn a lot

898
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: of stuff. Is when you're hunting something else, you learn

899
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: a lot about the other wildlife it's out there. If

900
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to the terrain and everything. So yeah, yeah, hey,

901
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 1: tell me about tell me about the deer that you

902
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: killed this year. Um we uh, just kind of give

903
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: me a you killed the deer in National Forest in Arkansas?

904
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: What you what? What would you call the style of hunting?

905
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in your mouth. I

906
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: think I know what you're gonna some Some people call

907
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: call that style of hunting steel hunting. Uh my dad

908
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: he hunted that way quite a bit. He called it

909
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: slip hunting. That's what I call it anyway, but but

910
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: a lot of people call it still hunting. But it's

911
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: just where you you see an area, you know, an

912
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,359
Speaker 1: area you're wanting to hunt. You don't want to set

913
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: in a stand because you don't know exactly where you

914
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: want to set, but you and where I use it

915
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 1: a lot is in areas where I think deer aren't

916
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: moving much like this year we had a big mass crop.

917
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 1: Early dear don't have to move a lot for to

918
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: to get their food and stuff unless they're in the

919
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: rut chasing those. So that's why I do it sometimes.

920
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: And my favorite time do it is in when there's

921
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: a good steady wind where I can hunt into the wind.

922
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: Or what I really like is a steady wind and

923
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: a light drizzly rain or something like that. That that's

924
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: that kind of muffles my movements and my noise, my

925
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: sounds I make. But yuh, when you're slip hunting, you're

926
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 1: still hunting. My biggest thing day When you think you're

927
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: moving slow enough, slow down about ten times from what

928
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 1: you think you're moving. And and when I like, I may,

929
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: I may. I may take two steps, I might take

930
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: ten steps. I may may take twenty steps while I'm

931
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: moving along. But I'm careful. What I don't try not

932
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: step on twigs and stuff. I feel them in my feet.

933
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't watch my faith or you gotta watch the

934
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: head of you all the time in front of you.

935
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: But and when I do stop, I try to stop

936
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: at a place where I think I can see a

937
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: little better. And I may stand there for five seconds,

938
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: I may stand there for thirty seconds. I may stand

939
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: there for ten minutes. Once I get there, if I fail,

940
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: you just get a fail for it. And uh and uh,

941
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: that's that's how I hunt. And another thing I think

942
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people do. They get to where they

943
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: can see good, but they go too far. Like if

944
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: you're hunting on a ridge or on a bench, and

945
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: you get the place where there's a little drawer or

946
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: a little holler makes up and you can see the

947
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: other side of it. Don't get that far. I get

948
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: when you get to where you can just barely see

949
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: where you need to see eat. That's when you want

950
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: to stop and you want to really concentrate and look

951
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,959
Speaker 1: everything over before you go any farther. Do you find

952
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: that the success you've had are you killing deer after

953
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: you've stopped and they come into your view? Majority majority

954
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: of them? Is that a way? So so it's when

955
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: you've stopped, Yes, most of them, I've killed it. And

956
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 1: it's when I've stopped and they're they're looking or standing

957
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 1: there and and uh, Now like the deer this year,

958
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: he was a little different. It was raining, wind was

959
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,279
Speaker 1: blowing in my face. I was on a little narrow

960
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: bench on the steep mountain side. I was in an

961
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: area where I knew those bedded some it's only Mary's

962
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 1: I've hunted for years. Uh, I've killed other deer there

963
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: in the past. And uh, and I went a little

964
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: ways and i'd stopped. I don't know, I went four

965
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 1: or five different spells of ease and long in that

966
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: drizzly rain, and I just stopped for a little bit,

967
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: probably a minute, and hadn't noticed anything. And there was

968
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: a break out in front of me there where I

969
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: could see off on a little flat. I knew this

970
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: flats there from years of experience from being in there.

971
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: I only made about two steps, though, slow steps, and

972
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: movement caught my eyes and I just froze right where

973
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: I was at the stop. I sat there. I stood there,

974
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: and I stood there and I stood there, and I

975
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: could never see nothing. I told himself, I it was

976
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 1: just the rain, leaves falling off the trees or something.

977
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 1: I started to step again. No, I don't think that's

978
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 1: what I seen. So I stood there a little bit

979
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 1: longer again I started to move again. I was like, no,

980
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: that was something made movement there. And then about that

981
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: time it moved again. And the first thing I've seen

982
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: was that ten or eleven each tie on the top

983
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: of that deer's head turning. He had stood up out

984
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: of his bed. That's what I had first seen. And

985
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: he was trying to figure out he'd either seen me

986
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 1: or heard me or something, because he was looking he

987
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: was turned his head looking towards you. And that's what

988
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: I've seen in was the movement. And uh. And when

989
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: I saw that time, I didn't know if he had

990
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: two more to go with it, or four more or

991
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: six more, but I knew with that longer time he

992
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: was probably a really nice deer. And I said, if

993
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 1: if I get a shot at and I'm gonna take

994
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: it with my muzzloader. And finally he turned again and

995
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: and kind of moved his front a little bit and

996
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: gave me an open shot at about sixty five yards

997
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: and I shot, and long story short, when the smoke cleared,

998
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,480
Speaker 1: I didn't see nothing. I said, well, I guess I

999
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: missed him because he was on that flat, right on

1000
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: that break where I was fixing, and go look over there.

1001
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: So I got my muzzloader and I reloaded and everything.

1002
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: I just kept looking. I didn't see anything. I thought, well,

1003
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna easy out there and see if I can

1004
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: find some blood. I went about probably ten yards and

1005
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: I've seen something moving. I stopped, and it was one

1006
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: of his times. He was laying on the ground. He

1007
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: was trying to raise his head up a little bit.

1008
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: He had failed right there where I had shot him,

1009
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: and he was just he was a really nice mountain

1010
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: I called mountain Bucks, how those dark mountains up here

1011
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: on on public land. He was He was about seventeen

1012
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: inches inside, but he's horns are a great bigger around.

1013
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: Had a lot the mask to him. Uh g twos

1014
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,839
Speaker 1: were around ten inches. I never did actually measure him.

1015
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: Uh And then he just went out and had big

1016
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 1: crab claws. And I think he's beams are right at

1017
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: twenty four in a big beam, and he's a he's

1018
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: a dandy deer. Yeah, really proud of that deer. Sorr heck,

1019
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: I should have had you bring the rack. If you

1020
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: got the rack, No, it's at the taxi dermosta. I

1021
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: wasn't sure if you're mounting, had one mounted since that

1022
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: big when I killed three years ago. But yeah, yeah,

1023
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: well man, that's some You gave some good tips there

1024
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 1: that I like. You know, hunting when the weather conditions

1025
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: are in your in your favor for spotting, the stocking

1026
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 1: for slip hunting. Um, you know, wind movement or the

1027
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: wind covers up so much movement you can get away

1028
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: with a ton of stuff. If there's about a seven

1029
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: to twelve it's moving branches and leaves, and stuff like, yeah,

1030
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 1: and then and then if you can walk, why when

1031
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 1: it's super dry, which a lot of times in the fall,

1032
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: it is a lot of times in the fall it's

1033
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: it's dry, and you know, it's tough to slip around much.

1034
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 1: And what I've learned about being being quiet in the

1035
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: dry woods is take really small steps, you know what

1036
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That short look, I mean like just nearly

1037
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 1: foot tow to hell, okay, And you can do that

1038
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: and feel your way through and keep your eyes on

1039
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And you know you're gonna be looking

1040
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: and you see a logs, you gonna step it. We'll

1041
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 1: get up to it and then ease over that log

1042
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,479
Speaker 1: one foot and then the other. Yeah, so you're putting

1043
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: your toe down first, and then no, I'm saying, don't

1044
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 1: take big steps. So this just about that far, It's

1045
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, you know, just about the length

1046
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: of your feet step at a time, like you're trying

1047
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: to walk out and measure how far you're going. And

1048
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: and don't even I don't even really pick my feet

1049
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: up much. It may even rustle leaves a little bit,

1050
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: but it's it's no loud noise. It's gonna spook a

1051
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: d or anything. It's it's just like a little rustle

1052
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: of the leaves when you're scooting them in the leaves

1053
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: like that slow. So yeah, yeah, when you take big steps,

1054
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: you can't control Once you take a big step, and

1055
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: if you step on a twig, if you're stressed out there,

1056
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 1: what I've learned, you can't keep from breaking it. Yeah,

1057
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Yea, When you take a

1058
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 1: short step, you can feel that stuff under your feet

1059
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: and you don't step on it. If you feel it,

1060
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: then move your feet back, shorten it, then step across

1061
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: it with your other foot. You know, when you think

1062
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: about noise, really the sharp loud noises are when you

1063
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: break sticks. Now, leaves obviously make a lot of noise,

1064
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: but how far can you hear, especially if you're fire

1065
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: armed hunting, if you're taking the short, soft steps and

1066
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: the crunchy leaves, you know, how far can a deer

1067
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: here that I don't know? He can hear a stick

1068
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: a lot further. That's my point me too, And and

1069
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,600
Speaker 1: I've I have I have walked up on a few

1070
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 1: deer in their beds that I've spotted in their beds

1071
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: in dry conditions. And I think it's because there's no

1072
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: loud noise. It's just a kind of russell of the

1073
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: LEAs with your feet. Yeah, you know who. It would

1074
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: be fun to have you and James Lawrence on the

1075
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: same podcast. James has made a living slip hunting. He

1076
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: really has. I mean that that's his preferred The way

1077
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 1: to hunt is just slipping, slipping, slipping, And uh, he

1078
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: does the same thing. I mean he Uh, I've never

1079
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: heard him. I've never been able to get him really

1080
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: to distill down the principles. And it's not because he's

1081
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: hiding anything. I think he just does it now. He

1082
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: he he has talked to me about walking in the

1083
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,800
Speaker 1: woods and and uh he he told me his uncle

1084
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 1: taught him when he was a little boy how to

1085
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: walk quiet in the woods. But that showed me that

1086
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 1: talked about and and he said like when you're going

1087
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: and the same thing, if you slip up And I'm

1088
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: gonna put this in there real quick, because he was

1089
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: talking about if you're slipping, slip on up the side

1090
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: of a hill or upper ridge. You know, I told

1091
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: you I'll go. I think the biggest stake people making

1092
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: when they're moving through the woods. Just stop when you

1093
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: can barely see over that to that next flat or

1094
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,800
Speaker 1: the next parting on the ridge, or the next bench.

1095
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: Don't walk up where you can see good because I've

1096
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: done that. I've learned from the past. When you do that,

1097
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: a lot of times you don't see them and they're

1098
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: already moving gone, which you have no shot at when

1099
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: if you bearly break over and really scan stuff out

1100
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: if one's laying there and it's bad, And that's when

1101
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: I've seen most of them in their beds, just coming

1102
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: up a edge or upper hillside over a little bench

1103
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: and see them. I've done that to big bear once.

1104
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: But I was a bear hunting. I was deer hunting,

1105
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: and I couldn't take the bear because of quoted or

1106
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: been met. And I was our mounths a few years ago,

1107
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: It's been about ten years ago, and a big bear

1108
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: was just laying there out on the ground. He was

1109
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: probably a three hundred pound be bigger, and he was

1110
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 1: about thirty yards from me land He never knew I

1111
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: was nowhere around. I just seazed up and when I

1112
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: saw him, bout his frozen washing him a little bit.

1113
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: I was rifle hunting and it was round Thanksgiving and

1114
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: he was just laying there. He wasn't a sleepy just

1115
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: later just ressed out, stretched out, stretched out, you know,

1116
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: all four words just kind of sprattled out like they

1117
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: lay sometimes. I know. I seen pictures up and they'll

1118
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 1: do that sometimes at bait sites, lay out like that.

1119
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 1: And I just to ease back over the hill and

1120
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:13,919
Speaker 1: went on around the mountain, went on about my hunt.

1121
01:00:15,640 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Huh that's some good slip hunting tips right there. It is.

1122
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: Um now you uh you passed a couple of deer

1123
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 1: to slip hunting this year. Yes, I did. You had

1124
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: a good hunt where you could have killed a buck

1125
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: later but you waited. Yeah. It was during the rifle season. Uh.

1126
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: I think it's like the second weekend of season. It

1127
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: was another day where there was a little bit of rain,

1128
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,919
Speaker 1: the woods were damp, and there was a steady wind

1129
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 1: blowing that day. And uh, I was, I was hunting

1130
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: in an area where it's pretty steep in there, and

1131
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: uh so I was, I was hunting. It's real steep

1132
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: and there's not many points in there. It's just kind

1133
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: of hillside with little rawls and we're a little hollows.

1134
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: Some people call him a little hollow but when you

1135
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: get on the end of a little humped there, you

1136
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,880
Speaker 1: can see back in the hollow. And and I would

1137
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:08,439
Speaker 1: just ease my way around be where I could barely

1138
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,520
Speaker 1: see in there. And about the probably the third or

1139
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: fourth little drawer I came to, I just eased and

1140
01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, this is this is a good

1141
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: spot here. There would be something in here. And a

1142
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: by the time I looked and this deer was coming,

1143
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 1: I had stopped, and this deer was coming down the hill,

1144
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: had his nose around. He was sent for dose. And

1145
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: he just probably said the yards from me. And and

1146
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: when I first saw him, that's a pretty nice deer.

1147
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,000
Speaker 1: So I got my gun up in my hands. I

1148
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: had it on my shoulder at the time, and got

1149
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: it off and got it up in my hands and

1150
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: watched him come out there, and he got a little

1151
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: close to me, not much. But then, uh, I said,

1152
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: he was a nice deer. He had either eight or

1153
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 1: nine points, had pretty nice times. But he was a

1154
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: young deer. I could just tell his body wasn't built

1155
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: big or anything. And I'd already taken that bigger deer earlier.

1156
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: And and uh, maybe this dear live. He may not

1157
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: live two hours later than that. I don't know, but

1158
01:01:57,640 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: but I let him go that day and then and

1159
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 1: and I had another deer that he wasn't that big,

1160
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:06,440
Speaker 1: but I think he was just he may just had

1161
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: six points. But the same way, I got up on

1162
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: him and he was feeding. He was feeding on the

1163
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: black gun berries. And and I saw him while I

1164
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: was moving, but he was looking the other way. He

1165
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: was facing away from him, but I had the wind

1166
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: in my favor. Wind was from the deer to me,

1167
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: and I saw him and when he raised his head,

1168
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: then I saw horn and I got excited. No, he's

1169
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: not very big, but it's fun seeing those deer hunting

1170
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: like that. Well you get you gave some good good

1171
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,919
Speaker 1: slip hunting tips there, and that that kind of stuff

1172
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: can be applied really anywhere. I mean, you could take

1173
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 1: those tips to out west and I've used them bow

1174
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: hunting for elk out in the Rocky Mountains. The same scenarios,

1175
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 1: especially when they're not buggling. Yeah, hey, I forgot to

1176
01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: mention this um you in So in two thousand and eleven,

1177
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: I wrote an article about you in UH, a magazine

1178
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 1: that we used to publish here in Arkansas, and I

1179
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: I told Colby, There's only a few times in my

1180
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: adult life that I have invested full energy, artistic energy

1181
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: into drawing something. As a kid, I drew a lot.

1182
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: I mean I was an artist, you know, and I

1183
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,640
Speaker 1: thought I was, yeah exactly, And uh when when you

1184
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: told me that story, I was like, man, we gotta

1185
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: have a way to to pick that. And so I

1186
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: drew this picture. And I'm pointing at this picture in

1187
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: a two thousand and eleven issue of this old magazine

1188
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 1: and it's and it's a picture of Mo back peddling.

1189
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: And see the Pap Paul. I mean those those look

1190
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: like Pap Paul trees mos. I mean this is like,

1191
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: this is like jag bark hickory. Look. Can you okay,

1192
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 1: can you tell what kind of tree that is right there? Uh? Yeah,

1193
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: that's a hickory, okay. And what's that's a wide oak?

1194
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: What about this one that's a that's a big red oak.

1195
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm thinking white oaks, but Paul Paul. Yeah,

1196
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 1: people will put this, uh this image of Mo getting

1197
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 1: attacked by bear. The little cubs are up in the

1198
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: paupaultry um and I'm trying like crazy to find the

1199
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 1: original drawing of that and I haven't been able to

1200
01:04:22,200 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: locate it yet because it's it's been years. But I

1201
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: like that drawing, I like I like that story. Man,

1202
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: that's a cool story. But well, hey, thanks for Hey.

1203
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: This is the first podcast of when this comes out

1204
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: of Yeah, so so you were you were on the

1205
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,680
Speaker 1: podcast a little earlier than this last year, but it

1206
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,320
Speaker 1: was December, sometime in December last year that we did it.

1207
01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 1: But not man, I I always like to have people

1208
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 1: on here that are authentic. Mo. That's that's a qualification

1209
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: for me when when I have people on and you

1210
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: fit that bill to the t and um and anyway,

1211
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 1: I always learned something I talked to you and uh, so, Colby,

1212
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: do you have any closing thoughts or questions from oh?

1213
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: And I feel like I want to go out there

1214
01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: and just see what I can get on. I think

1215
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: I go too fast whenever I'm moving around. I think

1216
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,320
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing with that, and the fact that uh,

1217
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: I tend to get out in the opening instead of

1218
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,720
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, I just need to slow

1219
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 1: down and just use my eyes. I feel like I

1220
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,560
Speaker 1: use my ears too much. You know, you'll see ten

1221
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: times more stuff than you here, yeah, and especially if

1222
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:41,000
Speaker 1: they're not and so many people that I mean, I

1223
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: do this even when I'm staying hunting, but it really

1224
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,280
Speaker 1: applies to you when you're spotting, stock hunting or steel

1225
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: hunting or slip hanging, however you don't call it, uh is,

1226
01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:55,919
Speaker 1: look for something out of place. Don't look for a deer,

1227
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 1: don't look for a bear, look for something that that's

1228
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: don't look right. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how

1229
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 1: many of deer I've keeled out in the mountains that

1230
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: way if something didn't look right, and I just kept

1231
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: looking at it and kept looking at and then look

1232
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: off and look back, and then if the change and

1233
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: yeah there is something there because it don't look just

1234
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: like it did, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I

1235
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of things I just need to

1236
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: train in my mind, you know. And like I said,

1237
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: when when you're when you're and there's places when you're

1238
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 1: slip hunting or whatever that you may not need to

1239
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 1: move slow. You may be in a spot where you've

1240
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: already looked this whole thing over and and if you

1241
01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: want to cover a little more ground, you might go

1242
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 1: thirty or forty yards on a place you've already examined,

1243
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: and it's not gonna affect you because it may be

1244
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: in a low place where nothing's gonna see or hear you.

1245
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: But then when you come up over something and get

1246
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: the crest where something can see now that hasn't been

1247
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 1: in your view, that's when you need to really slow

1248
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: down again. So yeah, I guess my question would be

1249
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 1: how do you handle like an open area, you know, like,

1250
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 1: because whenever you're talking, it's almost like in my mind

1251
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: it's like when you're coming up on like some opening

1252
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: or something where you can see, do you cross that opening? Not? Really?

1253
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: Like my One of my favorite things to do is

1254
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 1: like if I'm like, say, I'm on a side of

1255
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 1: a mountain where there's a big bench where maybe yeah,

1256
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,960
Speaker 1: Clay probably know what I'm talking about. There's there's benches

1257
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 1: on side a mountains like where you hunt into washties

1258
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: where I call them, uh it's we're bucks like the

1259
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 1: chase and look for those and stuff, whether the those

1260
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,960
Speaker 1: are fading where they're bedded on these big benches. I

1261
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: don't go right, I don't go across that bench. I

1262
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: go below it down on the hillside, and I may

1263
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: even get out of side of that bench for thirty

1264
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: yards and then he's back up. Like I was told

1265
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: teens minute, go ease up where you can see on it.

1266
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 1: And I might stay in that position and go you know,

1267
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: tin foot or whatever and look again to get a

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Speaker 1: different perspective what you're looking at. Then I may drop

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Speaker 1: back over a little bit, move around a little farther,

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Speaker 1: and he's back up again. Because when you're on a

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Speaker 1: place where you can see good, you can see way

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Speaker 1: better than you can So if you're moving through those

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Speaker 1: open areas, like you said, that's a good question. You're

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Speaker 1: moving those open areas, uh, skirt open areas. Skirt the

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Speaker 1: opens areas and whether it's and like I said, and

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Speaker 1: one another, one of my favorite things to do is

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Speaker 1: if I'm in like some of the mountains areas out there,

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Speaker 1: well they'll have benches, but then above them they'll be

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Speaker 1: just a little shelf. It may not be ten foot white,

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Speaker 1: but it's a place easier to walk. That's one of

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Speaker 1: my favorite places to slip hunt, especially if I'm rifle hunting,

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Speaker 1: to be a hundred yards from a big bench or

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Speaker 1: something other and be up on that hillside looking down

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Speaker 1: at it, especially during the day. Because the thermals are

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Speaker 1: bringing that air up the hill, so it's bringing it

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Speaker 1: off of that big bench up in where you're at

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Speaker 1: in that steep ground. You aren't gonna smell you or

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Speaker 1: bears whatever you're after, but you're up there kind of

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Speaker 1: in the stuff, and and you've got background behind you

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Speaker 1: because you're on a steep hill side. They're out here

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Speaker 1: looking into that hillside. Ye see what you're saying. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. Good. So that's your only question. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: more will come up. I'm thinking more about like how

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Speaker 1: I just need to adjust like my mentality. I mean,

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Speaker 1: because it's it's almost like there's a process to it,

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Speaker 1: and there's probably more that if I'm like looking into

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Speaker 1: inside of of those tactics and things, it's probably there's

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Speaker 1: probably other things that while I'm doing those things that

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Speaker 1: I'll learn just from like being intentional. I learned something

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Speaker 1: every time I go out into the woods. Yeah, you do.

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Speaker 1: If you're if you're really paying attention, paying attention, you

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Speaker 1: learned something every time you're out there. Yeah, whether it's

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Speaker 1: about the game you're hunting or another type of game

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Speaker 1: that you may be hunting another part of the year.

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Speaker 1: But you can learn stuff just but paying attention. Yeah

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Speaker 1: all right, well thanks BO, appreciate it. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year man, y'all think Happy New Year. Keep

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Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the birds are