WEBVTT - Stealing Superman: Episode Four – The Memphis Affair

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Cage has always been a fan of Elvis Pressley's.

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<v Speaker 1>Cage's laconic drawl is no doubt inspired by Pressley. In

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<v Speaker 1>Wild at Heart, a David Lynch film released in nine

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<v Speaker 1>Cage plays Sailor Ripley, a criminal on the run who

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<v Speaker 1>favors snakeskin jackets. Cage sings two Elvis songs in the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>love Me and Love Me Tender. Yes, those are two

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<v Speaker 1>different songs. Pressley, Cage said, was his hero, and whether

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<v Speaker 1>you want to call it coincidence, fate, or something else,

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand two, Cage announced he had fallen in

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<v Speaker 1>love with Pressley Lisa Marie Pressley, Elvis's only daughter. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't get much into Cage's private life here. It's his

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<v Speaker 1>private life, after all, and we're mostly preoccupied with the

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<v Speaker 1>theft of four rare comics from his home in bel

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<v Speaker 1>Air in two thousand, like any reasonable person would be.

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<v Speaker 1>But all of this figures into it, not just Pressley,

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<v Speaker 1>but Chrissley's town of Memphis, Tennessee. And in another bit

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<v Speaker 1>of divine providence, this soulful city wasn't just where Elvis

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<v Speaker 1>was reared, it was where his most prized possession Action

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<v Speaker 1>Comics Number one was said to be lurking in a

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<v Speaker 1>safety deposit box. Memphis would be the place where Cage's

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<v Speaker 1>love of comics would either be rekindled or perhaps lost forever.

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<v Speaker 1>For I Heart Radio, this is Steel in Superman. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Danish Wartz, and this is episode for the

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<v Speaker 1>Memphis Affair. We go back and forth in time here,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know it can be a little jarring, but

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<v Speaker 1>so do comics. Heroes and villains chase one another, backward

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<v Speaker 1>and forward through dimensions, through different decades, trying to write

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<v Speaker 1>past wrongs. In the original nineteen seventy eight Superman film

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<v Speaker 1>starring Christopher Eve, Superman sees the Lowis Lane die and

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<v Speaker 1>he's so angry that he flies so fast around the

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<v Speaker 1>earth he literally reverses the clock and brings Lows back

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<v Speaker 1>to life. Anyway, we're not going far back, just to

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety one. That's when the most prestigious auction house

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<v Speaker 1>in America, Sotheby's, decided to take a bold step. They

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<v Speaker 1>were going to legitimize the comic book collecting hobby by

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<v Speaker 1>offering rare and vintage comics up for auction for the

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<v Speaker 1>very first time in the company's storied history. Sotheby's was

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<v Speaker 1>best own for auctions involving fine art or iconic sports

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<v Speaker 1>cards or movie memorabilia. As a matter of fact, they

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<v Speaker 1>may have inadvertently ushered in the modern era of art

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<v Speaker 1>theft when one of their art auctions in eight drew

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of publicity over the staggering prices. It alerted

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<v Speaker 1>thieves to the potential gold mines hanging on walls. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>people have always stolen art, but getting itemized lists of

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<v Speaker 1>what would be best to steal certainly motivated some people.

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<v Speaker 1>But comics comics were different. This was the early nine nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>The industry had gotten some respectability with eighties hits like

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<v Speaker 1>Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns and Alan Moore's Watchman,

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<v Speaker 1>but we weren't yet in the Marvel Cinematic Universe era.

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<v Speaker 1>James Cameron's Spider Man was tangled in a web of

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<v Speaker 1>rights issues. A Fantastic Four movie was filmed but never released.

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<v Speaker 1>B movie King row Dger Corman made a no budget

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<v Speaker 1>schlockfest just to avoid losing his rights to the characters.

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<v Speaker 1>Newspapers still started comic stories with bam, zap and pop

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<v Speaker 1>and homage to the old Adam West Batman series that

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't aired in over twenty years. In the art world,

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<v Speaker 1>only graffiti had less of a reputation than comics, so

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<v Speaker 1>Yes Southeby's deigning to offer comics was perceived as a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal, and the star of their second show in

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<v Speaker 1>New York was Action Comics Number one, the first appearance

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<v Speaker 1>of Superman, now and forever the most desired comic in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, the same copy that would eventually wind up

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<v Speaker 1>in cages hands and then in the hands of a thief,

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<v Speaker 1>but today, in September, it could wind up with anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>so long as they were the highest bidder. Keep in

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<v Speaker 1>mind that there simply weren't as many hi collectors of

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<v Speaker 1>comics then as there are now, nor were there million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar price tags attached to rare books to entice people

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<v Speaker 1>to part with theirs. Seeing an Action Number one for

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<v Speaker 1>sale was a rare occurrence, like seeing J. D. Salinger

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<v Speaker 1>in the Frozen Food Aisle. Rare, so people took lots

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<v Speaker 1>of photographs, So did South Bees, which printed an entire

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<v Speaker 1>catalog of all their comic book treasures. The fact that

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<v Speaker 1>they took a very detailed, very precise series of photos

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<v Speaker 1>of this Action number one will make all the difference

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<v Speaker 1>in the world later in this story, and yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>will remind you when it's time. But in the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>people were simply amazed the comic was here at all,

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<v Speaker 1>not only because it was an Action number one, but

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<v Speaker 1>an Action number one in excellent condition, bone white pages,

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<v Speaker 1>a bright cover. A number of collectors and dealers were

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<v Speaker 1>there in person. If you couldn't make it imp person,

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<v Speaker 1>you could bid over the phone, but you'd come if

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<v Speaker 1>you could, if only to get a glimpse of comic

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<v Speaker 1>book history. I was very excited, but I was sick

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<v Speaker 1>as a dog, and I sat in the back row,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had dark shades on and wasn't feeling well

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<v Speaker 1>at all. I had the flu, and I was just

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<v Speaker 1>excited to get it and get it over with and

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<v Speaker 1>get half of there. That's Bill Hughes. Bill has been

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<v Speaker 1>a collector and dealer for over four decades. He owns

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<v Speaker 1>Vintage Collectibles, a business based in Texas. In Southabies, he

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<v Speaker 1>saw the hobby changing. More money coming in the books

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<v Speaker 1>being sold through auction houses meant more attention, more press attention,

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<v Speaker 1>and with more attention came more demand. The financial component

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<v Speaker 1>of comics collecting was about to take a huge leap forward,

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<v Speaker 1>and Bill believed he could see a quick return on

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<v Speaker 1>his investment for an Action number one, even if he

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<v Speaker 1>needed to make a major play. Oh yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>at that time, it wasn't like I was wealthy. Usually

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<v Speaker 1>I would get into one big item at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I didn't have the money to inventory and

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<v Speaker 1>hang on to numerous six figure items at once. So

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big deal for me. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of put that money together. I was prepared by

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<v Speaker 1>the way to go to a d at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my limit. Now, not all auctions build up

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<v Speaker 1>to the item that's getting the most attention. Some might

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<v Speaker 1>even put up lots in alphabetical order. Bill's memory isn't perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>but he thinks that's what happened with the Action number one,

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<v Speaker 1>that it was one of the first comics upt forbid

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<v Speaker 1>rather than the last. No, because I bought the Action

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<v Speaker 1>Comics number seven after that as well, and some other lots.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, I'm trying to think if it was alphabetical,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know I bought some lots that were later

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<v Speaker 1>on in the option for So the Action number one

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<v Speaker 1>came up early and that was fined by Bill since

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<v Speaker 1>he had the flu and just wanted to get out

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<v Speaker 1>as quickly as possible. Here's how Southerby has described it

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<v Speaker 1>in their catalog Action Comics number one comic book June

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<v Speaker 1>d C Comics, featuring the very first appearance of Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>Siegel and Joe Schuster's legendary character Superman, arguably the most

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<v Speaker 1>imitated character of all time. Near mint condition, this copy

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<v Speaker 1>has interior pages with slight tanning on the edges, with

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<v Speaker 1>the center portion of interior pages creamy white minor vertical

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<v Speaker 1>printers ink tracing lines on three interior pages, with a

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<v Speaker 1>handcraft a lacquered custom fitbox. Historically, this is the most

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<v Speaker 1>important comic book ever printed. It was like getting a

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<v Speaker 1>sales pitch from a waiter on an expensive bottle of wine?

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<v Speaker 1>Who wouldn't spend a bundle on that? When the comic

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<v Speaker 1>was ushered out, it drew a lot of attention right away.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people wanted that comic, but only a

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<v Speaker 1>handful of people could afford to want the comic. There

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<v Speaker 1>were several bidders. Obviously, with most options, you'll see a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of spirited bidding at the beginning, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>know when the numbers start getting a little more intense,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, then it dwindles and becomes a lot of times,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just headbutting between two people. On and on

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<v Speaker 1>it went. Remember at the time, and even now, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not coming to see an Action number one come up

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<v Speaker 1>for sale. Bill didn't know the next time he'd see one,

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<v Speaker 1>or what its condition might be, so he kept bidding

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<v Speaker 1>and bidding until the amount reached seventy five thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Adrenaline was coursing through his aching bo and then Bill

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<v Speaker 1>waited for the other better to pipe up, but he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like that, Bill had set a world record for

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<v Speaker 1>buying a comic book with the ten percent buyer's premium.

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<v Speaker 1>It came to eight two thousand, five hundred dollars, and

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<v Speaker 1>normally Bill would have loved the inevitable press attention, but

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<v Speaker 1>not today. I was sitting with a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 1>and I just remember we high five, and like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>we were in the very back row and that was that.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was feeling too poorly to even respond to

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<v Speaker 1>media requests. There were people there that wanted to interview me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just said, I gotta I gotta go. I

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't feeling good. Well, maybe not with all the congestion,

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<v Speaker 1>but in terms of doing what he had set out

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<v Speaker 1>to do, Bill was feeling pretty good. He now owned

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<v Speaker 1>an Action number one in fantastic condition, which fewer than

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<v Speaker 1>ten people in the world can say. The question was

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you're in New York and need to

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<v Speaker 1>return home, which at the time was in Las Vegas,

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<v Speaker 1>with the world's most expensive comic. You don't check it

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<v Speaker 1>as part of your luggage, do you. I just stick

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<v Speaker 1>it in my little briefcase and take it with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's how I've always done it. I just

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<v Speaker 1>took that little handful of comics with me on the

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<v Speaker 1>plane and flew back. He didn't look for a buyer

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<v Speaker 1>right away. This was a kind of holy grail. It

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<v Speaker 1>was something to baskin. He wanted to let it appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>in value. I was letting it appreciate, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>enjoying having it, and took pictures and had some fun

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<v Speaker 1>with it. A few years later Bill found a buyer,

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<v Speaker 1>a fellow dealer who got it into the hands of

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<v Speaker 1>Stephen Fishler, Cages comic book dealer. The whole story really

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<v Speaker 1>starts right here in a South Abyes bid room where

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Hughes Who's got the flu, grabs the action number one,

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<v Speaker 1>which eventually finds its way to Nicolas Cage. Bill, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, didn't know about cages stolen comics at the

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<v Speaker 1>time it happened in two thousand, that was still on

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<v Speaker 1>the hush hush, But when he eventually did find out,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't too surprised. It's not surprising that they were

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<v Speaker 1>stolen from these wealthy gentlemen because these are people that

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<v Speaker 1>like to use their highlights from their collections as conversation

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<v Speaker 1>pieces and you know, particularly at parties and whatnot, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of show them off. When you you know, go out

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<v Speaker 1>of your way to share the value and show the

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<v Speaker 1>actual item to numerous people, you know, you almost invite trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bill, who's been in the collecting game a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>can conceive a one way they could have found their

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<v Speaker 1>way back into the market, Like why would someone not

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<v Speaker 1>sell it? You could deface it and change the appearance

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<v Speaker 1>of it so it doesn't appear to be the same comic,

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<v Speaker 1>and just sell it for a ton of money, even

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<v Speaker 1>though a lot less than it was worth at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but still a lot of money. Easily and probably no

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<v Speaker 1>one would think twice if it was defaced in some

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<v Speaker 1>way to where it appeared to be a totally different

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<v Speaker 1>because obviously there's quite a few copies out there altered.

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<v Speaker 1>That's interesting. In two thousand two, Los Angeles art detective

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Harrisik had a cold trail. He had interviewed at

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<v Speaker 1>Cages employees and party guests. He'd spoken to dealers and

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<v Speaker 1>kept an eye out for any sign of the books.

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<v Speaker 1>Others had sworn they knew someone who knew something, who

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<v Speaker 1>knew someone who had seen the Action number one, But

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<v Speaker 1>even if they had, there was no telling whether it

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<v Speaker 1>was cages copy. People wanted to be helpful, but the

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<v Speaker 1>books were gone with the wind. The only thing Harresa

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<v Speaker 1>had to go on was the fact that the sale

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<v Speaker 1>of an Action number one would almost definitely make noise

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<v Speaker 1>in the collector's market. You couldn't really sell a comic

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<v Speaker 1>like that without a buyer asking a lot of questions,

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<v Speaker 1>where did it come from, why are you selling? Who

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<v Speaker 1>owned it before you did. It's all the stuff a

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<v Speaker 1>seller like Southebys didn't have to worry about because their

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<v Speaker 1>reputation preceded them by and large. You know what you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting from a major auction house, they'll stand behind their items.

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<v Speaker 1>That's also why it was highly unlikely cages Copy would

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<v Speaker 1>ever find its way back to Sotheby's. The thief would

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<v Speaker 1>be asked too many questions. If you really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>sell a stolen Action Number one, you try to do

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<v Speaker 1>it as quietly as you possibly could. But being quiet

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<v Speaker 1>can make a lot of noise. HARRESI got another tip,

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<v Speaker 1>and this one felt different. Someone in Memphis was offering

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<v Speaker 1>a copy of Action Comics Number one on the sly.

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<v Speaker 1>This person wasn't looking to go through the normal channels

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<v Speaker 1>of a Southebies or eBay. They wanted a cash transaction.

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<v Speaker 1>How suspicious. If Sothebes represented the ideal way to legitimately

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<v Speaker 1>sell the comic, a random dude in Memphis offering it

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<v Speaker 1>to cash buyers represented the most bizarre. It was too

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<v Speaker 1>peculiar to ignore. So Harresa hopped on a plane from

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles to Memphis. If this was cages Copy, it

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<v Speaker 1>made a certain amount of sense. You would never want

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<v Speaker 1>to steal a book in California and try to sell

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<v Speaker 1>it there. You'd want to go somewhere anywhere else. When

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<v Speaker 1>he arrived in Memphis, Horre Sik met with detectives of

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<v Speaker 1>the Memphis Police Department. They had a suspect in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>who will refer to as Lex, because why not. Lex

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<v Speaker 1>had been peddling Action Number one and other rare comics

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<v Speaker 1>around town and via online classified sections. It certainly looked

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<v Speaker 1>as though he had the real thing. Police had also

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<v Speaker 1>been able to establish Lex had a safety deposit box

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<v Speaker 1>at a local bank. This was where he had possibly

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<v Speaker 1>shown the rare books to prospective customers. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>very clean operation here. Sick and the Memphis p D

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<v Speaker 1>requested a search warrant for the safety deposit box. He

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<v Speaker 1>believed this could conceivably be cages copy and a chance

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<v Speaker 1>to solve a theft for one of the most famous

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<v Speaker 1>people in the country. It would mean more attention for

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<v Speaker 1>the l a p d s Art detail, which was

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<v Speaker 1>always criminally understaffed. Horresik had perhaps one partner at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>and if this was the Action Number one, then Lex

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly lead them to the others. The Detective number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seven and Detective number one get him in a

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<v Speaker 1>room and sweat him out under the lamp with the

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<v Speaker 1>adjustable arm. Maybe Lex would even get a break for

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<v Speaker 1>telling them what he knew. Here, Sick and the Memphis

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<v Speaker 1>p D believed they had enough probable cause to get

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<v Speaker 1>the search warrant, and a judge agreed it was another

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<v Speaker 1>step closer to figuring all of this out. On this

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<v Speaker 1>fine day in Memphis, here Sick and Memphis police walked

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<v Speaker 1>into the bank and produced a search warrant and were

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<v Speaker 1>then led into a secure room. And while these boxes

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<v Speaker 1>usually need two keys, the bank manager typically has a

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<v Speaker 1>master set the whole let's open it together things, kind

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<v Speaker 1>of theatrics. Inside of the privacy room, the key was

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<v Speaker 1>slipped into the lock and the lid swung on a hinge.

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<v Speaker 1>It was sort of like the briefcase in pulp fiction. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>Sick the others peered inside. This could be it the end,

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<v Speaker 1>and this would be a good time for a fake

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<v Speaker 1>out that the box turned out to be empty and

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<v Speaker 1>that the cops would be dejected. But that's not what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>What stared back at them was in Action Comics number

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<v Speaker 1>one case closed. Harrisik had solved plenty of art thefts,

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<v Speaker 1>had recovered more than thirty one million dollars in art

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<v Speaker 1>over the past several years, had found some Peanuts animation

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<v Speaker 1>cells stolen from animator Bill Melendez seven thousand, five hundred

0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.960
<v Speaker 1>cells taken from his offices by the company handyman. He'd

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<v Speaker 1>even found the Scarecrow's tap shoes from the Wizard of Oz,

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<v Speaker 1>but this was something else, a whole new level of

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<v Speaker 1>cultural archaeology. The cops gently picked up the book to

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<v Speaker 1>get a closer look. It was as most rare comics,

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<v Speaker 1>were wrapped in a plastic comic bag to protect it

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<v Speaker 1>from dust and fingerprints. They examined the cover. It was

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<v Speaker 1>all there, Superman hoisting a car directly over his head,

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<v Speaker 1>people fleeing the scene. In the lower left was the

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<v Speaker 1>infamous hysterical man, hands clasped at his temples like Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>McAlister and home alone, beads of sweat ran down his forehead.

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<v Speaker 1>He sure was scared, and wait, where were the beads

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<v Speaker 1>of sweat? Now? It's possible Harrisik and the others didn't

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<v Speaker 1>notice this right away. It might not have been until later.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you knew action number one backward and forward,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd be able to spot inconsistencies, like the fact the

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<v Speaker 1>manic screaming man running away from Superman on the cover.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't sweating, he was always sweating since the issue

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<v Speaker 1>was first printed in night he had been sweating. He

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<v Speaker 1>was afraid er Man was going to toss a car

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<v Speaker 1>at him. It would make anyone hysterical, but not this guy,

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<v Speaker 1>at least not this version of this guy. So had

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<v Speaker 1>someone damaged the comic or had someone done something even

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<v Speaker 1>more sinister alter it so it couldn't be positively identified

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<v Speaker 1>as Cages? Why erase beads of sweat? That seemed more

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<v Speaker 1>like a printing error than any subterfuge. Alright, so maybe

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.040
<v Speaker 1>this copy was a little bit of an anomaly. If anything,

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<v Speaker 1>something as distinctive as lacking those sweatbeats would mean that

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<v Speaker 1>if Cage or Fishler could prove his copy had the

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<v Speaker 1>same defect, then they'd have a match. The cops opted

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<v Speaker 1>to gently remove the comic from its protective bag. To

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes, it still looked okay. They exchanged glances. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>this was the one, maybe the bus that would land

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<v Speaker 1>here sick back in pages of the Los Angeles Times

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<v Speaker 1>as the country's only art coup the case that the

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<v Speaker 1>Memphis p D could share some of the glory. But

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<v Speaker 1>then they began turning the pages and they didn't see Superman,

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<v Speaker 1>not anywhere. Granted he was only in twelve pages of

0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the comic sharing space with stories no one remembers, but

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't anywhere. There weren't any illustrations. Instead, the cops

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<v Speaker 1>saw photographs of women clad in lingerie. The entire interior

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<v Speaker 1>was a lingerie catalog, and if the inside was a

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<v Speaker 1>lingerie catalog, that meant the cover was something else Entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>They quickly figured it out. Lex had found an image

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<v Speaker 1>of Action Number one online, saved it and printed it

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<v Speaker 1>out as a color copy, and it was a good copy.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the process, the beads of sweat on the

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<v Speaker 1>guide freaking out didn't register on the printer. They were

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<v Speaker 1>lost in the translation from digital image to hard copy.

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<v Speaker 1>Lex was busted. The scam was too simple. When he

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<v Speaker 1>found an interested party, he told them to never ever

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<v Speaker 1>remove the comic from its protective bag, since exposing it

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<v Speaker 1>to air might cause the ancient pages to turn brittle.

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<v Speaker 1>If it worked, that might have bought Lex enough time

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<v Speaker 1>to take off before being found out. This Action Number

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<v Speaker 1>One was inside a Frederick's of Hollywood or Victoria's Secret Catalog.

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<v Speaker 1>Harrisak had seen this before, a collector in bel Air

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<v Speaker 1>Cage's Neck of the Woods once bought a painting by

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<v Speaker 1>artist Andrew Zorne for five hundred thousand dollars. Someone stole it,

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<v Speaker 1>but left something behind, a giant photograph of the painting,

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<v Speaker 1>which the family didn't detect for some time, not until

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<v Speaker 1>one of them touched it and realized it had no texture.

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<v Speaker 1>In this case, the collector's butler did it, swiped the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing for one he had blown up in a

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<v Speaker 1>photo lab. Clever enough, but it turns out that it's

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<v Speaker 1>exceptionally difficult to counterfeit a comic book. This wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>first time someone tried. The mafia, which loved to traffic

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<v Speaker 1>and Alyssa Goods, floated the idea. We know because the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI once put wire taps on the phones of mobster

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Castellano and his associates in the nineteen eighties. Castellano

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<v Speaker 1>was the boss of the Gambino crime family in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. They speculated that counterfeiting comics would be brilliant

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<v Speaker 1>because no one else was doing it. But Castellano didn't

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to test his idea out. Big Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>as he was known, was executed in the stream by

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<v Speaker 1>other monsters in to do it convincingly would be a

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<v Speaker 1>nearly impossible task. This isn't one image on canvas like

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<v Speaker 1>a painting. This is sixty four pages, each one having

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<v Speaker 1>to be identical in size, color, ink, and paper quality

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<v Speaker 1>to the one produced in Now these scams persist even

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<v Speaker 1>today in an arrow where comics are graded and sealed.

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<v Speaker 1>Kick around on Facebook long enough and you might come

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<v Speaker 1>across a copy of Action number one, Superman number one,

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<v Speaker 1>or others that look very convincing, but they're not the

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<v Speaker 1>real deal. They're usually reprints or what DC Comics called

0:24:38.560 --> 0:24:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Famous First editions in the nineteen seventies. The outer cover

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<v Speaker 1>indicates it's a modern book, but if a scammer takes

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<v Speaker 1>that off, the inside more or less looks like the

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<v Speaker 1>real thing. But they were also oversized by a few inches,

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<v Speaker 1>both vertically and horizontally. So it wasn't cages copy, just

0:24:58.960 --> 0:25:02.959
<v Speaker 1>a small time on from a small time command. And

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<v Speaker 1>so Harrisik returned to Los Angeles. But that wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the Memphis story, not exactly. Even though what

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<v Speaker 1>was looking to be a promising lead for the Action

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<v Speaker 1>Comics Number one was a bust, two thousand two was

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<v Speaker 1>still a very eventful year. For Nicolas Cage. There had

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<v Speaker 1>been a second break in the comic thefts case a

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<v Speaker 1>former employee who was arrested for stealing from the actor.

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<v Speaker 1>But when that shook out, all the men had taken

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<v Speaker 1>were some watches, albeit some very expensive watches, and some booze.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only didn't he take any comics, he wasn't under

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<v Speaker 1>Cage's employee when the comics were stolen. In a separate incident,

0:25:48.680 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Cage had a porsteous stolen that one was found at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of a lake in the Ozars a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars down the drain. In light of the other incidents,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe he wondered if the same fate would greet his

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:08.560
<v Speaker 1>comics someone panicking and getting rid of them permanently. That

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>was two dead ends in the comic world. But professionally

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:16.720
<v Speaker 1>Cage was doing well. He started in Adaptation and a Reverend,

0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:20.879
<v Speaker 1>comedy about twin brothers and screenwriters trying to adapt The

0:26:21.000 --> 0:26:24.960
<v Speaker 1>Orchid Thief, a true story about a horticulturist who steals

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<v Speaker 1>rare and valuable orchids. The film is fictional, but Cage

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of positive attention for his dual roles.

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<v Speaker 1>He was even nominated for a Best Actor Academy Award.

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<v Speaker 1>He was going to start shooting Gone in sixty Seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>a car theft movie with Angelina Jolie. Heists were apparently

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<v Speaker 1>not something he could get away from, or crimes for

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<v Speaker 1>that matter. One movie he was set to make but

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<v Speaker 1>never did was called Back Up, about a cop who

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<v Speaker 1>comes back from the dead to solve his own murder.

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<v Speaker 1>He was even getting set to direct his first feature film, Sonny,

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>about a male hustler, with James Franco. The last big

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>professional shift was departing from his longtime manager, a man

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>named Jerry Harrington. While Cage was doing well, he hadn't

0:27:15.280 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>been doing face off and conairwell and maybe wanted a

0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 1>fresh pair of eyes looking at his choices. The split

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 1>may not have been amicable because Jerry believed Cage owed

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:30.920
<v Speaker 1>him some commissions for all of his highly paid acting gigs.

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.280
<v Speaker 1>That marked one separation, but there was also one union

0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to Lisa Marie Pressley. In August of that year, the

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<v Speaker 1>longstanding Elvis fan had married Elvis's daughter. There was something

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<v Speaker 1>to the idea that Cage was undergoing a huge paradigm

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>shift in his life. New marriage, new management, and new

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>hobbies or no more old hobbies. Cage announced he was

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<v Speaker 1>going to sell his comic book collection, his entire comic

0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>book collection, and the reason was interesting. Here's Bill Hughes again.

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:10.800
<v Speaker 1>I was told that when he got involved with Lisa Marie,

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 1>when they were married for a year or whatever, she

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<v Speaker 1>hated the comics and wanted to see the comics go.

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<v Speaker 1>And a year later she was gone and the comics

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<v Speaker 1>were gone. She didn't like the comic book she said,

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>get rid of them, or get rid of me and whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>So he got rid of the comics and then marriage

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't last anyways. But that's just what I was told.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundreds of rare and exceptional issues he had spent years

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<v Speaker 1>building up we're going to be put up for auction

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<v Speaker 1>via Heritage, one of the industry's leading auction houses, and

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<v Speaker 1>the person who helped broker the deal was Bill Hughes.

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<v Speaker 1>Many of them were slabbed in c GC holders, those

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<v Speaker 1>hard plastic cases that guarantee a comics condition. Bill decided

0:28:53.680 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 1>which one stood to benefit the most from that additional providence,

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<v Speaker 1>and because Cage was so famous, the c g C

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<v Speaker 1>label would make mention that the copy up for sale

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>came from the collection of Nicholas Cage. Whether he desired

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 1>it or not, he had become one of the more

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<v Speaker 1>notable collectors in the hobby, and maybe the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>these books were once Cages could mean a little extra money.

0:29:18.280 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill Hughes helped arrange this massive comic book dump when

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<v Speaker 1>the dealer he worked for, known as the Mint, partnered

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<v Speaker 1>with Heritage. The idea was Cage could have twice the

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<v Speaker 1>promotional power as well as the client lists of the

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.840
<v Speaker 1>two instead of just one dealer. It was like a

0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:39.760
<v Speaker 1>superhero team up, only the team would get a percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of the sales. While there were hundreds of books, there

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>were a few Cage couldn't bear to part with, not

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<v Speaker 1>even for Lisa Murray, if you believe that story. His

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<v Speaker 1>horror comics. Ron had told me at the time that

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<v Speaker 1>Cage didn't want to let go of his horror comics,

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<v Speaker 1>that he had trains on his walls, shoal frames made

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to house each comic book down a long hallway. I've

0:30:05.120 --> 0:30:07.920
<v Speaker 1>never been to his house, so I can only mentally

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>visualize it, but he said there were a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>one frames and that's where the Action one was housed.

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<v Speaker 1>During the party at his home when it was stolen,

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<v Speaker 1>but after he had given up the comics for option

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<v Speaker 1>that he had kept a hundred and one horror comics

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<v Speaker 1>that he had in those frames down this long hallway

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<v Speaker 1>at his home. The custom frames that had once held

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<v Speaker 1>the rarest comics in the world, that had gone empty

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<v Speaker 1>when they were stolen, were now being filled with horror comics.

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<v Speaker 1>The old ec books that were once the subject of

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<v Speaker 1>Senate subcommittee hearings in the nineteen fifties for being too

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<v Speaker 1>violent were now Nicolas Cage's wallpaper. For some extra pomp

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<v Speaker 1>and circumstance, The non horror comics were sold at Dallas

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<v Speaker 1>Comic Con, a three day gathering of the biggest dealers

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<v Speaker 1>and fans in Texas. Heritage was located there and a

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<v Speaker 1>con seemed well suited for such a high profile sale.

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<v Speaker 1>If one phase of Cages comic collecting it started in

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<v Speaker 1>Southebys back in it ended at another auction in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and two. One by one the comics went under

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<v Speaker 1>the gavel and cages cash register kept ringing. A copy

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<v Speaker 1>of All Star Comics Number three went for a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty five thousand, five hundred dollars. It was thought

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<v Speaker 1>to be worth just forty five thousand dollars. A copy

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<v Speaker 1>of Detective Comics number thirty eight, the first appearance of

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<v Speaker 1>Robin the Boy Wonder, went for a hundred and twenty thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>seven hundred and fifty dollars. That was nearly three times

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<v Speaker 1>what it was estimated to be worth in price guides.

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<v Speaker 1>The Nicolas Cage effect was apparently real. It always adds value.

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<v Speaker 1>When when stan Lee started letting go of some of

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<v Speaker 1>his Marvel comics also at Heritage, they went for huge numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>They were very poor quality at the time, and Stanley

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<v Speaker 1>had kept back his better copies and had just offered

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<v Speaker 1>up his lesser copies. First, of course, the autographed him,

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<v Speaker 1>and they went for huge numbers at the time, what

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<v Speaker 1>was considered to be very aggressive numbers at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just because of his affiliation, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they were part of his collection personally,

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<v Speaker 1>same with Cage, that the books brought premiums for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Cage offered copies of Amazing Fantasy number fifteen, X Men

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<v Speaker 1>number one, Green Lantern number one. It was a collector's

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<v Speaker 1>paradise and on it went until over one point six

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars had been spent on his books, well his

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<v Speaker 1>former books. The overall auction, which also included comics from

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<v Speaker 1>other sellers, brought in five point two million total, a

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<v Speaker 1>new record for a comic auction. Cage had likely drawn

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<v Speaker 1>interest even in books that didn't belong to him. As

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<v Speaker 1>for that Lisa Marie story where she admonished him to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of his books, well, anything's possible. But we

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<v Speaker 1>have to mention what Cage himself gave as the reason

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<v Speaker 1>for why he decided to part with his vast collection,

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<v Speaker 1>And it probably didn't have much to do with money. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>one point six million dollars is a fortune, but Cage

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<v Speaker 1>was being paid twenty million for gone in sixty seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>This wasn't someone finding some books in an attic he

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<v Speaker 1>probably didn't have to sell them. It was because his

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<v Speaker 1>four best comics had been stolen, and despite the best

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<v Speaker 1>efforts of the l A. P. D. And one close

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<v Speaker 1>call in Memphis, it didn't seem like they were going

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<v Speaker 1>to ever find their way back to him. It hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>He decided that it was time to part ways with

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<v Speaker 1>the hobby that he had once enjoyed. What good were

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<v Speaker 1>having comics if they had to be under armed security?

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<v Speaker 1>Where was the fun in that, when asked about it

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, Cage gave an answer that hinted at

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<v Speaker 1>this sometimes. He said the things you own end up

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<v Speaker 1>owning you, and that it was time to stop worshiping

0:34:13.600 --> 0:34:19.359
<v Speaker 1>false idols. The Cage and Pressley union lasted just one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and eight days, Reportedly caged through Pressley's fifty six

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollar engagement ring into the ocean, Cage hired divers

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<v Speaker 1>to try and find it, but with no luck, so

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<v Speaker 1>he replaced it, going from a six carrot to a

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<v Speaker 1>tend carrot ring. But ultimately it just wasn't meant to be.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a strange year. The comic auction came in

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<v Speaker 1>November towards the end, and it held one final surprise

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<v Speaker 1>for anyone following this labyrinth mystery. Among the the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of comics auctioned off at the Dallas Comic Con that

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<v Speaker 1>belonged to Nicolas Cage was action comics. No one, now,

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<v Speaker 1>where did that come from? And more importantly, why is

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<v Speaker 1>a story this weird not a movie? Already? The heist

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<v Speaker 1>of Nicholas Cage's Superman stash, Well it is, someone made it,

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<v Speaker 1>but you'll probably never see it. For reasons You'll never

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<v Speaker 1>believe that's next time I'm stealing Superman. Stealing Superman is

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<v Speaker 1>written by Jake Rawson, Sound design, scoring and mixing by

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Fisher, Additional editing by Jonathan Washington, Original music by

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Kaufman, Mixing and mastering by Baheed Fraser. Additional voices

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<v Speaker 1>by Ruthie Stevens and Zarin Burnett. Research and fact checking

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<v Speaker 1>by Jake Rawson and Austin Thompson. With productions support from

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu Philip. Show logo by Lucy Quintinia. Our executive producer

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<v Speaker 1>is Jason English and I'm your host Danish Sports. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're enjoying this show, check out Haleywood and Noble Blood

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