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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, ba fam, welcome back to Brown Ambition. I

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Speaker 1: am really really excited for today's show. I am joined

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Speaker 1: by two incredible women to join me at the Brown Table. Today.

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Speaker 1: We've got Kirsten Saunders of the Rich and Regular podcast,

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Speaker 3: Welcome, ladies, Welcome, Hey, Yeah, so excited.

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Speaker 5: Better if you're struggling out there financially, better learn how

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Speaker 1: No one wants me to win. I'm not a character.

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Speaker 1: Nobody wants me to a Tuzla owner. No, one wants

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Speaker 2: I had a similar experience with my ac like talk

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Speaker 2: And it was you know, it's after the winner. We

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Speaker 5: I just feel like, given that, we're either gonna pay

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Speaker 5: And then week for Jamill's birthday, I just got him

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Speaker 2: Now he just give house gifts for birthday, for Christmas, right,

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Speaker 6: Might change you mindad bor blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: Whatever?

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Speaker 5: Like all the it happens no matter where you are

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Speaker 6: Regardless it might seem like, well, at least got it good.

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Speaker 5: But girls, some of these decisions and price tags over

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Speaker 1: Yeah in your apartment though, I think you do.

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Speaker 3: I might seek you up on that.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: Once gets these lines, but once they fixed open up

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Speaker 1: a refugee center for surban Mom.

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Speaker 4: That's gonna be my guest room name.

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Speaker 5: The guest room name is Urban Mom's the Refugees.

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Speaker 1: we could all be so moralistic, but principle, so really principle, Yeah, principle,

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Speaker 2: To walk away from a lot of money, it really is,

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Speaker 3: Hopefully she doesn't.

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Speaker 5: You have to be in a position where you can

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Speaker 2: There's some sort of safety net there, even if it's

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Speaker 1: Right, Like what really happened to walk away that easily?

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Speaker 1: I mean? And actually I forgot the number of employees.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of these like layoffs where the company

439
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Speaker 1: it's saying is specifically calling out AI as a reason

440
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Speaker 1: for restructuring it. And I forgot so Jack Dorsey former

441
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 1: Twitter founder, so he owns Square, which owns Block, I believe,

442
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: and like he had left but he came back, so

443
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 1: this is all part of like his new reign too,

444
00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 1: And I mean I feel like to walk away like

445
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: that and to quit so easily, there has to be

446
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: some like issues at the company already, you know, to

447
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: make that person feel like I'm walking away from all

448
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: this money and I don't even care. I want nothing

449
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,120
Speaker 1: to do with anything happening over here.

450
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there is. Yeah, I mean I hate when

451
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 2: CEOs use AI as the reason because it's like you

452
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 2: made the decision, like don't put this on AI. This

453
00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 2: is you and the board and the decision maker's choice.

454
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: And so to just cite AI, it's like okay, but

455
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 2: like technology has always existed.

456
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Speaker 3: This is a cop out, like just say what it is.

457
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Speaker 2: But I'm sure that there is a lot of, you know,

458
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,359
Speaker 2: issues at the company because they fired seventy five percent

459
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 2: of the people. So things that you used to expect

460
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 2: to be delivered to you or things that were being

461
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 2: handled in the background, all that has to be revealed

462
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: in the next couple of weeks, which means your job

463
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: gets a lot harder. It becomes a twenty four to

464
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: seven kind of thing. Hence why they're giving you this

465
00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,720
Speaker 2: retention bonus that I'm sure came with strings like if

466
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: you take it, you got to stay, and that was

467
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: probably her heart that she didn't agree with, where it's like, no,

468
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 2: I'm not that and I'm certainly not staying at the

469
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 2: current salary and you're going to ask me to work

470
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,640
Speaker 2: more like it's a it's a handcuff situation either way.

471
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Speaker 4: Yep.

472
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Speaker 1: You had said that she got on LinkedIn, and that's true,

473
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Speaker 1: she got on LinkedIn, and maybe she'll get some press

474
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: and like some attention from that. But do you also

475
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: think it would like turn off another employer to see

476
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,200
Speaker 1: that this person had been in the press.

477
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Speaker 3: That's a rae to be.

478
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 1: Just positioned herself as an hero of sort, you know, right,

479
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Speaker 1: the spins.

480
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Speaker 5: For the people, but the people don't pay her bills.

481
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Speaker 5: The people who are like clapping for her don't pay

482
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Speaker 5: her bills. And at the end of the day, like

483
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 5: every job that she does. Being that, I mean, it

484
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:42,000
Speaker 5: seems that her role as a data scientist means that

485
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 5: that's her career path. So it's only likely that you're

486
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Speaker 5: going to go to another job that's also trying to

487
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 5: use AI in some way. And so if you're pooing

488
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Speaker 5: on AI, well not necessarily pu pulling on a I. I

489
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 5: guess she's pa pooing the approach that they took. Maybe,

490
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Speaker 5: but even that is still a threat to another company

491
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Speaker 5: who's like, oh, that's what you'd be doing. We don't

492
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Speaker 5: necessarily want to bring on somebody to this team who

493
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 5: has that, you know, decision making capacity, because most jobs

494
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 5: want to know that you're loyal and you're going to

495
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 5: ride or die, and if you're going to exit, that

496
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Speaker 5: you would exit gracefully.

497
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Speaker 3: Correct.

498
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Speaker 2: And we're at the point now where there's not just

499
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Speaker 2: one person for every job. Like if there is a

500
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 2: data scientist's position open, now you've got options because there

501
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: are lots of laid off data scientists And if I

502
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: was a hiring manager or a headhunter, I would absolutely

503
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 2: pick the one that is the least controversial, just for

504
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: the purposes of employee engagement. Like you know, if you

505
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 2: bring somebody in and they're the person who loudly quit

506
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,200
Speaker 2: their last job that might give ideas to other people.

507
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 2: They might be too principal to Geinelly's point to like

508
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,640
Speaker 2: take any information from the company, like, oh, we're doing

509
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 2: layoffs as well, and.

510
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Speaker 3: So it's a risk.

511
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: It is a risk that has a lot of upside

512
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 2: and a lot of downside. So you just got to

513
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: know that going in. And that's true of anything that

514
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 2: you post on LinkedIn or on the internet, they will

515
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,120
Speaker 2: categorize you typecast. You're seeing that with the Coldplay lady,

516
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: the lady who was kissed her?

517
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, who got on Oprah by.

518
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 5: The way, like and she ends up then she winds

519
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 5: on Oprah this week talking.

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Speaker 2: I was like, why is she still why is she

521
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 2: still able to eat off of this?

522
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 3: Like why is why is she still get.

523
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: Pressed and Oprah of all people for this thing that

524
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 2: was just so clear to everybody else, like something you know, it.

525
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 5: Was like the true story, what really happened. I'm like,

526
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 5: I think we all know what really happened.

527
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, she had a spread of New York Times not

528
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: not long ago. It's I mean I think and I

529
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: read that article at the time, and I thought it

530
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 1: made total sense to me why she needed to do

531
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: that because her career was over. I really hate canceled culture, y'all.

532
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to sound like I'm I'm leaning

533
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: you know, in the in the on the truth social

534
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: side of things and going maga. I know that that's

535
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: like their line, but I hate that. I hate how

536
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 1: easily it is to like have someone's entire career be

537
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: obliterated overnight because of a mistake that you know was public.

538
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: Especially about mistake is like not necessarily to do with

539
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: like their work and work products. And I know you

540
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: can argue they were executives and she was an HR

541
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Speaker 1: I think, and like.

542
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 5: Right of all the departments.

543
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Speaker 1: Her husband was at the concert at the sea.

544
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Speaker 3: That's the part.

545
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 2: That's the part people forget, Like her husband and her

546
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 2: were separated. He was there too, like with his own friend,

547
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: and so like it doesn't none of that comes out

548
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,160
Speaker 2: because the Internet also hates nuance. But I do think, Mandy,

549
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: that we're switching back to a culture that is not

550
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: so reactive simply because like we can't be I think so.

551
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: I think so because because the political environment is so crazy,

552
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 2: like we're not even reacting to things like war and

553
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: like we're not reacting to things that we should be

554
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: reacting and so little things.

555
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 3: I don't think we'll get the same.

556
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 2: Type of like you know full you can't do anything anymore,

557
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: but it'll take a minute.

558
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: I just I can't see us.

559
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: Staying here forever because it doesn't make sense, like people

560
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: should be allowed to make mistakes, but we also have

561
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: to stop recording strangers and putting them on the internet.

562
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: That's also part of it.

563
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 4: That's not going anywhere.

564
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 5: It's just like, it's just like Pandora's Box. I feel like,

565
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 5: once it's out there, so it's I mean, it's the

566
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: argument with everything pretty much. People are like, stop using AI,

567
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:26,959
Speaker 5: it's ruining the earth. Oh my god, we're spending all

568
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 5: this water just to send a message. And it's like

569
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 5: I understand all that, but y'all, it's Pandora's Box. It's

570
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 5: not we are not going back. It's like crypto people, Oh,

571
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 5: it's terrible. We are not gonna unlearn. We're not gonna

572
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 5: unknow that it is now possible to send money digitally

573
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 5: to anywhere.

574
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 3: On the planet.

575
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: It is not going to go away.

576
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter how unethical you think it is, doesn't

577
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 5: matter how much awful result there is from it doesn't

578
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 5: matter how many data warehouses are going to ruin communities.

579
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 6: It's not going to get put back in the box.

580
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 5: And I think that that's what's happening here, like people

581
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 5: just unfortunately it's like this explosion of short form content

582
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: and everybody being able to I'm gonna put you online, okay, Karen,

583
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 5: I'm gonna do this and that, and it's I don't

584
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 5: think that's gonna ever go away. I do think there

585
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 5: could be an additive process. Come to your point, Cairston

586
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 5: about like, well, we're gonna add on once we make room.

587
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 5: Right there's just no room right now in the culture,

588
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 5: but there's gonna be room where we can make room

589
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 5: for nuance, and we want the nuance.

590
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 6: But this particular moment in time, I can't I can't

591
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 6: see that.

592
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 4: Well.

593
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Speaker 1: My heart goes out to her. I think she has

594
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: every right to be on whatever pr campaign she does

595
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: to try to claw back some sort of like if

596
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: she ends up on a Real Housewife whatever, like if

597
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: she needs to go do reality TV or be on

598
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, you know.

599
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 3: Like tell all the book.

600
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: She has a family to provide for, and she's the

601
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: woman in this situation. I can almost guarantee that the guy,

602
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: the CEO or whatever is like probably already over some

603
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: big company and like you're going to be more this time.

604
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, go ahead, girl, do your thing.

605
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: I just want her to get I want her to

606
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: get a Olivia Pope strategist to help her, because she's

607
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: getting the platforms, but I don't think she's getting the

608
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: real action that she wants, which is empathy, sympathy, understanding womanhood.

609
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: Like right now, her story just isn't rich enough to

610
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: explain why she would continue explaining it to me to

611
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: someone who is I don't know this woman, hadn't thought

612
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: about her since then. But then I see her again

613
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: and it's like, Okay, what's the story, and she's like, oh,

614
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: we were separated.

615
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 3: It's like, girl, you could have you could just hold

616
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: that to your hand on the recruiter.

617
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 2: You don't have to go on Oprah and bring it

618
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: back up. No one was thinking about you, like, go

619
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: get you a job and settle in.

620
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: Will she be able to though when they google her

621
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: she could.

622
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 5: I don't think she's gonna get that empathy because she's

623
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 5: not giving it. Like I saw a very short part

624
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 5: of that interview with her in Oprah, where Oprah was like, well,

625
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 5: I caught up Gwyneth, and Gwyneth Vatrol told me that

626
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: she spoke to you and that she told you that,

627
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: and then her reaction was okay, yes, like stern face,

628
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 5: no emotion. I mean, I'm like, girl, if you're gonna

629
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 5: expect empathy to come your way, it's a mirror, it's

630
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: a boomerang.

631
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 6: You had to. She had the absolute.

632
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 5: Wrong like reaction there, and it was just it came

633
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 5: off as cold, it came off, came off, it came

634
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 5: off as like fuck Winneth, and it's like, girl, wait what, I'm.

635
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 6: So glad she clocked so confusing because I clocked.

636
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: The same thing she came for Gwyneth, and she was

637
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 2: like I just thought that was She's supposed to be

638
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: empowering women. And so Oprah was like, well, I called

639
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 2: my girl and she told me one that you knew

640
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: about the commercials and approved it, and that too, she

641
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: sent you an email and never heard back from you,

642
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: explaining like I'm sorry if you didn't know, blah blah blah.

643
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: And the woman was just like, oh okay, she.

644
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: Was like, so did you get that email?

645
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: She was just like if you're gonna play with media giants,

646
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: then you need to hire one that helps you navigate

647
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: the fact that Oprah and Gwyneth are like cool, like

648
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: they're actual homies. So you're not going to play one

649
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: against the other. If that's going to be what you're

650
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: going on national television, take a stand against.

651
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: Pick somebody else, Pick somebody. Oprah can't just text and

652
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 3: be like, what is this?

653
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I had not watched a single clip of

654
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: that interview for anything, so that's new to me. Yeah woman, Okay,

655
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: So maybe she needs like a Monica Lewinsky yeah type,

656
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: although that took like thirty years for her to get it,

657
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: you know.

658
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: Right, but Monica wasn't It's not like Monica didn't work again,

659
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm not saying that

660
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: she did not struggle and that you know, she's spoken

661
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: very openly about the mental health challenges that she's had

662
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 2: because of this. But sometimes it's better to just put

663
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: your head down, go be quiet, go build your small network.

664
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Don't give it to the court of public opinion to

665
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 2: bring it up again.

666
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: At the highest of levels.

667
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: It's like, now you've just set yourself back even further

668
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: to me, like you could have just worked very closely

669
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 2: with like you know, join one of those executive women's

670
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 2: leadership groups like chief or you know, they have them

671
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: all over the place, highly networked, influential. Somebody was going

672
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: to give you a two hundred, two hundred fifty dollars gig,

673
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: not two hundred fifty do or two hundred and fifty

674
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: thousand dollars gig to keep you afloat, even if it's

675
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 2: a contract work. Some woman would have done that. But

676
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: now you've just gone and brought it up again.

677
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 5: And it's like, and if you were going to bring

678
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 5: it up again, do it right, You're gonna bring it

679
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 5: that a plus way.

680
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, do it so it's bigger than you.

681
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: That was.

682
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was it.

683
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: I give But I still want to give her a

684
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: grace because she's not a PR crisis man's an affirmed

685
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: and she is maybe fucking it up for herself, but

686
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: at the same time she is she is. I feel

687
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: bad for her kids and all that, and I'm just

688
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: a softy. I'm like, please don't cancel everything.

689
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: I no, I agree with you.

690
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 5: I mean, we're as women, we always look at it

691
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: and go like that could have been me, that could

692
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 5: have been my sister, that could have been my best friend,

693
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 5: that could have been we all as women, we think

694
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 5: this way very often. But at the same time, I'm

695
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 5: just like I was watching it. I was just like, girl,

696
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 5: you have to come correct, like you're pr training. You

697
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: must have forgot it all when you walked onto that

698
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 5: Opra set, because I don't know you just it was

699
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 5: just not the right read on her. But yeah, I

700
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 5: didn't see the whole thing. I will say, I just

701
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 5: all clips clips I saw. I was like, oh, the

702
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 5: whole exactly that bar, that bar.

703
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 3: I feel bad.

704
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: I literally watched the movie. I watched I'm just trying

705
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: to get through Mission Impossible, through five hundred or whatever,

706
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 1: and I was like, hitting the go ahead ten seconds but.

707
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 5: Click right, like craize God for Netflix having the one

708
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 5: point five x speed on these shows, because I'm like,

709
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 5: I'm not going to make it to the end.

710
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: I don't think I can watch this like that.

711
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I want to pivot because you know

712
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: what I completely forgot about, which is huge, huge, huge headline.

713
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: W NBA, Did I say that right? NBA?

714
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 6: I read it two days ago. I read it two

715
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 6: days ago and I was like, yes.

716
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: Finally, it has been how long that these women have

717
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 5: been fighting?

718
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 4: It's amazing.

719
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the league is not even that old, like

720
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: what thirty years old something like that. But yeah, so

721
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, after over a year of

722
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: being locked in this like really nasty contract negotiation, WNBA

723
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: is finally paying players their real value and it's pretty

724
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: extraordinary increase. They quinntupled the base salary of a w

725
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: NBA player, and just to remind y'all, they paid them

726
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: garbage before. Like Caitlyn sixty five K that was part

727
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five made seventy eight thousand dollars.

728
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 5: And that was she was one of the higher paid players.

729
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 5: That was like a really good offer compared.

730
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 1: To the seventy four thousand you know goodness. So in

731
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, Kaitlyn Kark will get over five hundred K,

732
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: which still seems low, but again I don't really know

733
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 1: basketball stuff, but half a billion dollars for some reason,

734
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 1: Angel Reese is only going up the three forty nine.

735
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: I saw that three fifty K. Yeah, I don't like that.

736
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that as much because like, aren't they

737
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: both really good? Again?

738
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 5: Not as I mean, we are the two leads qualified

739
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: to be having this conversation. We're just happy for these girls.

740
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 5: But I I did read that, no, listen, I did

741
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 5: read that the negotiation was going on for so long

742
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 5: and it was essentially not like it wasn't looking good

743
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 5: at all, and so this turnaround was an incredible shift

744
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 5: that was unexpected. And I oftentimes when I do talk

745
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 5: about this or in a circle where it's being discussed,

746
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 5: I'm never the most qualified person to talk about it.

747
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: But from what I hear, it's like, oh, well, you

748
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 5: have to understand that they don't pull NBA numbers in

749
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 5: terms of viewership and in terms of all this other stuff,

750
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 5: and they get money additionally from endorsement deals, and like, well,

751
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 5: the endorsement deals doesn't count to me as an argument,

752
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 5: because same for the men, same for NBA players and

753
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 5: every other athletic league. Like that doesn't count to me.

754
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,399
Speaker 5: And so to say the viewership thing, like well, then

755
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 5: in a two to three year timeframe that women's basketball

756
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 5: has exploded, it seems that it's only app that the

757
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 5: timing is right to pay what they're owed.

758
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really that's the well made point. I think

759
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: reading here, Angel Reesa's salary is lower. It says because

760
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: she's on a different pay scale. She's like the number seven,

761
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: which I guess is a problem, which is which is

762
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: a thing. So yeah, the base salary is three seventy

763
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: nine and she gets some kind of like four percent reduction,

764
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: So that explains that three point fifty. If not for

765
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: this increase, Caitlin was only going to be making like

766
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: eighty five thousand, insane and that looks like to the

767
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: top of the top of the top. So like some

768
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: people were making warning us. Thank god, we've seen it

769
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: with like the soccer players, women's soccer players, they were

770
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: able to get like a bigger price, like a bigger prize,

771
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: prize for winning soccer championships or something. Again not a

772
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: sports person. Balls are kicked around and people win games

773
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: doing it, and they are paid for kicking those balls,

774
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: and we're bouncing them and we just love that they're

775
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: finally getting paid a decent salary. It took so long.

776
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 5: I know, I'm so happy for them. I know, like

777
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 5: they always want to point to the revenue thing. I know.

778
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 5: I read like WNBA generates like two to three hundred

779
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 5: million annually versus the NBA's like ten billion plus annually,

780
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 5: But I still think it's messed up when you look

781
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 5: at the profit shared, Like if you look at NBA

782
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 5: has like a fifty percent, it's just not these girls

783
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 5: are getting like nine or ten percent, Like that's not

784
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 5: even to me. It's like the numbers don't matter if

785
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 5: you look at the percentage that the actual dollar figures

786
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 5: don't matter as much as if you look at the

787
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 5: percentage these women were owed so much more so the

788
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 5: fact that this happened at this time is like amazing.

789
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 5: During Women's History Month, like we have to plaster it

790
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 5: everywhere and start talking about how amazing this is.

791
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I was just so thrilled because it's such

792
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: a long time coming and the revenue argument is so

793
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 2: tired and weak to me, because when you look at

794
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: the upside of the industry, like the NBA ain't got

795
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: too much more places to grow, Like they are at

796
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 2: the top of their salary caps. They've got players who

797
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 2: are staying for you know, leb career, he's a forty

798
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: year old man. Like, they just don't have much room

799
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 2: to grow. If you were talking about growth industries, it's

800
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: in women's sports across the board, and not just like

801
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: in the game itself, in products, in merch, in experiences

802
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: in camps in AAU.

803
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 3: I mean, there's just so much growth there.

804
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,879
Speaker 2: And we've seen all that private equity money come into

805
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: youth sports as a general matter. So to focus on

806
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: women and girls so that there's an actual pipeline for

807
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: careers is the logical thing to do. Like, I don't

808
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: even want to pretend like this is historic and like

809
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: progressive on their part, like this is just smart.

810
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: To not do it would be stupid and as.

811
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,800
Speaker 2: Dumb as people are acting right now with so many

812
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 2: other things in our country, it's.

813
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 3: Like this is an obvious one.

814
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: You have an audience and they're doing the work that

815
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: your advertisers and your distributors.

816
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 3: Are not doing for free.

817
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: Like the women's sports audience is so engaged and creative

818
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: and like, oh, like they do all the stuff that

819
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: other people agencies get paid to do for men, they

820
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: do it right now for free. So it's like to

821
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: not give them more, it's just dumb, Like, don't be dumb,

822
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 2: don't be dumb.

823
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: That's for the day drop throw its stupid.

824
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 6: Seriously, it's not don't be dumb.

825
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: It's don't be dumb.

826
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: Lovely.

827
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 1: Well, should we take a little break break and come

828
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: back and then we'll do a little brown boost brown

829
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: break laters, Yeah, just do it all right, be right back,

830
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 1: ba Fan, and we're back and we're black and brown

831
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: and we are here to do our brown boost brown break.

832
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: Just to remind you, ba fan, brown boost. Something that

833
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: we want to like, shout out, lift up, celebrate, can

834
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: be personal, can be something in the news or something

835
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: that you just see, an app that you love or

836
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: service you love, whatever, and then a brown break is

837
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: a dead opposite. We want to rant, like what crres

838
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: interested the w that was a great boost, That was

839
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: a great break.

840
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: Rather that was gonna be my boost and I turned

841
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: it into a break. So now I gotta think of

842
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 2: another boost.

843
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm been good. Okay, wait, I will go first. Since

844
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: y'all are my guests, give us some time, noodle. I

845
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: want to do like a boost slash humble brag that

846
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: I got a letter in the mail from Target Card Services, Inc.

847
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: Telling me that due to inactivity, they reserve the right

848
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: to close my Target Red Card account. And I've never

849
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: and I know that generally we don't like to celebrate

850
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: closing old credit cards because you know, the average age

851
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: of your credit history is like a ten or fifteen

852
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: percent factor in your credit score. However, bye bye, I

853
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: don't kick yourself on the way out. I will not

854
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: be using that card for the time being, for the

855
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 1: immediate future, forever, forever. Ever sounds like pretty proud. Put

856
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 1: that on the fridge.

857
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: I love that, Yes, girl, we love that for you.

858
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: And then for another brown, well brown briak, because I'm

859
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: gonna do two. I know this is twenty twenty six,

860
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: and I mean we're just talking about wage and equality

861
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: and sports and another thing that is still continuing in

862
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 1: this day and age is I saw this headline that

863
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: a mama and her daughter walked into an ultra beauty

864
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: salon on the Upper East Side of New York. I'm sorry,

865
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: New York, one of like the most diversity in the country,

866
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: right and we're told that they don't do their kind

867
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: of hair there and they were turned away. In twenty

868
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: twenty fucking six, you know, you can buy a curly

869
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,439
Speaker 1: hairbrush at Marshals for about five dollars. That's really all

870
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: you need is a right to.

871
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 3: It's sold in the store. The whole curly head section

872
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: what you mean.

873
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: Right, I'm saying patterns, y'all carry sacred whether you're not.

874
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 3: What are we saying?

875
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: Yes?

876
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 6: Girl?

877
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 4: Who does that?

878
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 5: Like you don't like business, you don't want money. They

879
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 5: are paying customers, you're turning them away?

880
00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 4: What kind of.

881
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: I run out of ways to like. I mean, the

882
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: argument is so obvious, like why wouldn't you take these

883
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 1: people's money and like treat you know, give them their

884
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 1: services that they've paid for. But it brought me back,

885
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: like to twenty I moved. When did I come to

886
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: New York? I came here in two thousand and eight, Yeah,

887
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: for a college internship. And you know, back in the day,

888
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: maybe they still do this, but back in the day,

889
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 1: for sure, I was like at Union Square or Bryant

890
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: Park somewhere, and some guy approached me and he's like,

891
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, do you look like you have great hair?

892
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: We had this like they would like sell these like

893
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: discounted groupons basically like you would pay and you would

894
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: get like a discounted service as some fancy salon. And

895
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: so I think I paid like sixty dollars for a

896
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: hair like a hair whatever hair treatment at an Upper

897
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: east Side salon which ended up being in someone's basement

898
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: and was like very ghetto. And I walked in and

899
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 1: like the first thing she said was like, we can't

900
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 1: do your hair, but we can give you a manny petty.

901
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: I was like, oh she said, and I got the

902
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: saddest manicure of my life, which from like a twelve

903
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: year old girl because I think it was like her

904
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 1: daughter or her niece or something.

905
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: Was like no, no, no, no, not even trained my lord, Yeah,

906
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 5: what is going on? If that's happening in New York?

907
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 5: I can't even like cause hello, born and raised there.

908
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 5: So I've seen every type of salon up and down

909
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 5: through the block of imagine other places where women with

910
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: all kinds of texture hair walking in like hey, it's

911
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 5: my time to get my hair.

912
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 6: Oh, I mean just imagine.

913
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 5: And we I would think it's twenty twenty six and

914
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 5: beyond this this type of stuff that we have the

915
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: Crown Act, like we have there is actual legislation to

916
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 5: protect like what in what world? But you know what

917
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 5: in this one right here, like this is still happening,

918
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 5: and we have to remind people that as much as

919
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 5: we like to pretend, oh no, this is the past,

920
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 5: it very much is still happening in the present, and

921
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 5: it's so frustrating that we have to keep having the conversation.

922
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 5: But if we don't have it, we're part of the

923
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 5: problem and ignoring the fact that women are still dealing

924
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 5: with people are still dealing with this. And that's why

925
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 5: as much as people might roll there, Oh my gosh,

926
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 5: we talked about this again.

927
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, we are.

928
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 5: And we will continue because until this type of incident

929
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 5: never it's like it's only heard of in the in

930
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 5: like the path Oh that would have only happened in

931
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 5: the nineteenth that it does. No, no, it's happening now.

932
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: So we have to keep talking about it as I

933
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 5: don't care who's annoyed. If Karen wants to roll her eyes,

934
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: hopefully they get stuck in the back of her head,

935
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 5: because we just need to keep elevating these stories, because

936
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 5: these anecdotes are lived experiences. Like people want to pretend

937
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 5: it's not happening, like here it is. It's happening right

938
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 5: now today.

939
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, in Unis City.

940
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 4: Of all places.

941
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: I hope that the stylist and the store's manager who

942
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,720
Speaker 1: backed up the stylist, I hope they will got fired.

943
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: Alta has been a little like mmmm something about ALTA,

944
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 1: Like they've had issues in the past with like discrimination allegations,

945
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: and I know that for like you got the Saphori,

946
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: you got Oldta, and I know that they're like they

947
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: are making so much money off the backs of women

948
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: of color, the beauty industry and the haircare industry, and they.

949
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 5: Girl the makeup Rihanna's all over there, all too displays

950
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 5: twenty four seven.

951
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know you could just buy direct, y'all

952
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: if you don't want to support OLTA, very be very

953
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: easy to boycott Pattern dot com, Sacred dot com, thantvt

954
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: dot com. Just saying if y'all want to f around

955
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: and find out, all right, all right, who wants to

956
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: go next?

957
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: I'm still thinking you have one, you know, I'll go next.

958
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 4: Yes, I'll jump in.

959
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 5: I know, y'all, you ladies have probably seen this, but

960
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 5: there was an article in the New York Times recently

961
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 5: where two anonymous women came out to talk about how

962
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 5: Cisar Chavez had.

963
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 4: Sad them pretty much raped. We'll just say the word.

964
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 5: And I just want to commend those women, even though

965
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 5: we don't know their name, that they would vocalize that

966
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 5: because it ended up leading to a very public like

967
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 5: coming out and reach claiming her throne situation with the

968
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 5: lotus Erda, And it really touched me deeply because I'm

969
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 5: supposed to actually be speaking at a conference. It's like

970
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 5: the twenty ninth Annual Latina Symposium in Connecticut later this year,

971
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 5: and do lotus Weerda is slated to speak at that

972
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 5: event as well. So I had like, I had this

973
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 5: on my calendar. I was so excited about it, and

974
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 5: then I saw this in the news, like longstery short.

975
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 5: She's ninety five, about to be ninety six years old

976
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 5: this year, and she basically spoke out about how she

977
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 5: had been silent for sixty years regarding abuse that she

978
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 5: withstood from Caesar Chavez for many, many, many many years

979
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 5: of working with him for the Farmers of Voration movement,

980
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 5: Like she had talked about how he raped her, and

981
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 5: how she had two secret children that nobody even knew about,

982
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 5: that she birthed and arranged for them to be taken

983
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 5: care of with families and be raised with families that

984
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 5: she thought would you know, be good families for them,

985
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 5: and that now she actually.

986
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 6: Even still has good relationship with those children. They're you know,

987
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 6: grown up and she.

988
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 5: Has good relationships with them, but she said nobody ever knew,

989
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 5: even them and those families, they had no idea about

990
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 5: the father situation until she finally came out very publicly

991
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 5: about her story. And it's like one of the most

992
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 5: beautiful things, Like I feel like she's kind of spoken

993
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 5: her piece and finally got her piece with it. And

994
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 5: I will say the brown boost that I'm boosting because

995
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: we damn sure ain't him. And I don't think anybody

996
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 5: in the community was shocked by this kind of thing,

997
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 5: because there's a lot of my cheese more in the

998
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 5: Latino community, and a lot of the ways that he

999
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 5: spoke and moved. It's not necessarily shocking. It's sad, but

1000
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 5: it's not shocking. And I think what is to be

1001
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 5: boosted about the situation is how quickly our community came

1002
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,959
Speaker 5: to support her and like uplift her. There was a

1003
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 5: mural I just saw real a mural in La A

1004
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 5: giant mural of Martin Luther King on the right side

1005
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 5: and says Sar Travis on the left, and they completely

1006
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 5: wiped him out and replaced him with glowing mural.

1007
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: Of the lotters.

1008
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 5: So I just think that like obviously believe women, support women,

1009
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 5: uplift women. But how beautiful is it that it was

1010
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: like almost an immediate turnaround of saying like we not

1011
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 5: only like obviously immediately believe you and like love you

1012
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 5: and support you and uplift you, but we're now also

1013
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 5: going to make sure that this movement that he's been

1014
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 5: the face of forever you get your proper because she's

1015
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 5: been working on this movement for she did most of

1016
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 5: the real work.

1017
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 3: Let's be real.

1018
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 6: He got all the credit, he gets to do all

1019
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 6: the interviews, but she did so much of the real work.

1020
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 6: So I feel like in so many stories.

1021
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 5: Like this where there's a man in the front, but

1022
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 5: there's really a woman in the back kind of doing

1023
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 5: all the work or doing a.

1024
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 4: Lot of the you know, the heavy lifting.

1025
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 5: So yeah, just a boost to the community for doing

1026
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 5: well we've done so quickly and uplifting her and her

1027
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 5: courage for really coming out to speak out about something

1028
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 5: like that that she kept secret for so long for

1029
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 5: the benefit of.

1030
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 4: The movement, to not harm the movement. Is amazing. Yeah,

1031
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: so snaps in her.

1032
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: I got chills.

1033
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I actually have a children about Seesar Chaves and that

1034
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,439
Speaker 1: whole movement that, like I've read to my kids and

1035
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: I need to go back. I believe Dolorus is in

1036
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: that book, but she's not obviously, like not the title,

1037
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: not the cover. I hope she gets her own book. Like,

1038
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: I think that's a beautiful silver lining too. People spend

1039
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: a lot of time, and I know I'm the girl

1040
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 1: who just said I hate cancel culture, but I mean

1041
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: like this obviously, like let's take them out of the

1042
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: history books and write the you know, change a story

1043
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: and let the story be told fully. But yeah, I

1044
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: hope that this is an opportunity for her family too.

1045
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, she's ninety five, but she has heirs who

1046
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 1: could potentially benefit now because she is being uplifted and

1047
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 1: heralded as a hero and the important figure that she is.

1048
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's really beautiful, and you might get to

1049
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: meet her, and that's dope.

1050
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I really hope.

1051
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 5: So I've always been a fan groover because my parents

1052
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 5: always were like, you know, talking about like there's only

1053
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 5: very limited Latinos and Latinas who everybody knows their their name,

1054
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 5: that is not in sports and entertainment, you know, Like

1055
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:06,319
Speaker 5: I went to the Hispanic Federation. They had like a

1056
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 5: galla in Miami a couple of weeks ago, and like

1057
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 5: that was amazing. I got to meet big Boppy David Ortiz,

1058
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 5: Like my dad was.

1059
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 6: Like jumping when I send him a picture.

1060
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 5: I'm like, I was like Boppy, I met Big Boppy

1061
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 5: and I sent him a picture of my boyfriend and

1062
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 5: I were David Ortis, and my dad was.

1063
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, Oh my god, like he.

1064
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: Was freaking out right.

1065
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 5: But it's something else when we're talking about sports and

1066
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 5: entertainment first, when we're talking about people who literally were

1067
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 5: down for a cause and a movement that truly impacted

1068
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,359
Speaker 5: an entire labor force, a union force of workers who,

1069
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 5: like every single one of them is the reason why

1070
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 5: we can eat fresh roots and vegetables, why we have

1071
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 5: meal like every meal that we have in schools at home,

1072
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 5: and so we don't talk about that. And so to

1073
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 5: have their names be two of probably the most prominent

1074
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 5: in the movement, it's like, you know, you grow up

1075
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 5: and you kind of read the stories and you read

1076
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 5: the books and the chapter books and lastic books, and

1077
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 5: like these are the names, and so to now have

1078
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: her name be up there like that, it's like amazing,

1079
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 5: I'm so glad we didn't have to wait for her

1080
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 5: to pass for this to come to light, because you know,

1081
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 5: you got to give people flowers while they're alive.

1082
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 6: And so I just like it.

1083
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 5: Gave me chills reading everything, researching trying to figure out

1084
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 5: what happened exactly. So maybe if I get to meet her,

1085
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 5: I feel like as much as the picture of me

1086
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 5: and David Ortiz is in my dad's phone, I feel

1087
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 5: like the real one that's going to make them proud

1088
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:27,360
Speaker 5: is if I get to be on stage with the

1089
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 5: Lordus where that we're going, We're we're gonna put that

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00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 5: into the universe, putting.

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00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: It out there, putting it out there.

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00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,799
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Serve, And she came forward? Did you say

1093
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: there was two women who came forward anonymously, and then

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00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Delortus came out after they came out. Is that how

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00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: it happened.

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00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 5: It was almost like it was like in direct succession,

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00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 5: like the New York Times article came out with the

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00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 5: two anonymous women's interviews, and then she also like absolutely

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00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 5: now they chose to be anonymous. Obviously the lordas were

1100
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 5: it does not anonymous in this And I do think

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00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 5: that that's like a huge courageous thing. Granted she's in

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00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 5: a complete different place in her life. I do not

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00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 5: fault these women for two to remain anonymous. I think

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00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 5: it's almost even better that the story became like don't

1105
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 5: let it's worth that because it's like a name that

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00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 5: we can all put to it instead of trying to

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00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: figure out who are these women or are they real?

1108
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 5: Like that that has that's not even it's a non issue,

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00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 5: and I love that for those women and for the conversation.

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00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: Long too long live the me too movement, like keep

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00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: them coming, so for real. I saw Jody Cantor on

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00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,919
Speaker 1: that on that, on that byline, I'm like, yeah, Jody

1113
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: get it, still getting it all right? Curious and it's

1114
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: your time. What do you got?

1115
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring it back to

1116
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: women in sports because we're in the middle of March

1117
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 2: madness and the girls tournament is just as exciting as

1118
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: the men's tournament. I'm a big sports person. Go balls

1119
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: like I have ey. It doesn't matter what sport it is.

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Speaker 2: We're focused on women.

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00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: That won't focus.

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00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: I won't talk about baseball, but like, it's just such

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00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 2: an exciting time for women in sports. And you're starting

1124
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 2: to see girls like as young as high school break records,

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00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 2: You're starting to see them get nil money, You're starting

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00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: to see them.

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00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: Develop actual career paths.

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00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: And so when we're talking about like things like the

1129
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 2: wage gap, which you know it's not completely altered by

1130
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 2: high profile, high visibility careers, but that has a role

1131
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: in it, Like male athletes and entertainers get way more

1132
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 2: than the women do. So to see the movement happening

1133
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 2: in sports in this really ripe time where people are watching,

1134
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 2: including men, because again their sport has gotten a little boring,

1135
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 2: Like I'm not even gonna lie, like they don't have

1136
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: nearly as much excitement and character, and like there are

1137
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: villains in women's sports, there are like real rivalries, people

1138
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 2: who do not fuck with each other. That to me

1139
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 2: is just so beautiful and I'm happy to see. Like

1140
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 2: it's different from before where they're with the WNBA, they were.

1141
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 3: Trying to like dress up the girls.

1142
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: It's almost like sex objects, like have them in skirts

1143
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: and suits. And they weren't able to be gay out loud,

1144
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: they weren't able to be aggressive, they weren't able to

1145
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: talk shit or even start fights like they weren't able

1146
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 2: to do none of that stuff. So to see it

1147
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: changing and to see it happening at the college and

1148
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 2: high school level, it's just a very exciting time. So

1149
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: if you are not into sports, may I suggest that

1150
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 2: you go to a women's game at any level, college,

1151
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: high school, professional, and if you have a daughter, Liberty game.

1152
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 3: Yes, Liberty games are really fun. Come on, I know, yes, I.

1153
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: Would be starstruck for Elli Dell.

1154
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 3: That's the picture you send your net necessarily.

1155
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you have a daughter, even if you have

1156
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 2: a son, take them to take them to women's sports.

1157
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 5: This is the year, especially if you have a son,

1158
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 5: especially if you have a son.

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00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's the year.

1160
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: This is the year. Let's keep the moment.

1161
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 1: That's a huge sports girl, sports girly and she takes

1162
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: her son to Liberty. He's the biggest Liberty fan. It's

1163
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: so cute.

1164
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: I love that.

1165
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: I love that. I love all right, I'll learn about balls.

1166
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: Come usually generally a huge ball fan.

1167
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 4: Well about more about it.

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00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: It could be fun. My problem is I don't like

1169
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: being stressed. There's enough to stress me out again see

1170
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: earlier segment about my car trouble. But the stress and

1171
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: anxiety of a game, and when you're I don't like

1172
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: I don't like to see people lose. It hurts my

1173
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: feelings for them, and I think maybe I'm just too

1174
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: emotional about it. But I could get that together.

1175
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: It's a good way to practice stress in a healthy way.

1176
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: I just had to explain this to my son because

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00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: he's the same way. He doesn't want anybody to lose,

1178
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 2: but he loves to win, and it's like, well, you

1179
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: can't have it both ways. Boom, Like somebody's best day

1180
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 2: is always going to be somebody's worst day. But sports

1181
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 2: is one of the few places in life where there's

1182
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: still a surprise ending. So it's stressed, but you're not

1183
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 2: really giving up on anybody because the game main over

1184
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: until it's over, and there's always like a rematch, So

1185
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: you can open yourself up to like, this is one

1186
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: of the few places where you don't get to control

1187
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 2: the outcome or the ending. Then you can just enjoy

1188
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 2: the right That's why I'm saying, you practice enjoyed.

1189
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,279
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be selling me.

1190
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 4: You're supposed to be selling me.

1191
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 3: What what what? What?

1192
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 1: My body is closing in, but I want to want

1193
00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: to open it up exactly the idea here. Channel is

1194
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 1: that on the channel? Is it on the streamer?

1195
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, channels YouTube, plus it's on every channel around the

1196
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 5: time of year.

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00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: Girl all right, well all right then, thanks for shaying

1198
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: you didn't shame me. I shame myself. I'm going to

1199
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: get into it. Well, this has been fun. This flew

1200
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: by damn, and I'm ten minutes over. Sorry, sorry, not sorry.

1201
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: Y'all are the best. It's been so fun having y'all

1202
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 1: with us. Tell the people where they can find you.

1203
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: We got to listen to Rich and Regular here since podcast.

1204
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: You're very also right.

1205
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 4: I'm on to upseck a little bit.

1206
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 5: But also if y'all haven't read Cashing Out, I always

1207
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 5: recommend Cashing Out, Like I just feel like it's one

1208
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,840
Speaker 5: of the only books that's in personal finance that's not preachy,

1209
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 5: but it's more teachy than preachy.

1210
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 4: So yeah, girl is right, is right back here.

1211
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 2: If you haven't read Mind your Money trying to get

1212
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 2: the camera, I keep next, my girl. I recommend this

1213
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: book to every and anybody. So yes, read both Financial

1214
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: Literacy Month and curiously.

1215
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: Do you have audiobook versions of your books? Yeah? Yes,

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00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: oh perfect, Okay, because like on audible because the girlies

1217
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: are very into audiobooks both gosh.

1218
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 4: Honest, see it's great.

1219
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm narrated by myself as well as it is

1220
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 5: because who wants to listen to a British man reading

1221
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 5: stories about black and around people's lived experiences.

1222
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 6: Nobody?

1223
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 4: Nobody?

1224
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: You know what, Mandy?

1225
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: We just need to make this a weekly occurrence.

1226
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 3: I know.

1227
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: Can we just do this every Friday, every Monday, and.

1228
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: Every Monday and Friday? Yes, every Monday and Friday.

1229
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: Happy earned my day around because I was in the

1230
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: dumps and now I'm out. I'm out in the sun. Yeah,

1231
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: life is good.

1232
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 3: We should let's discuss after your do we hang up?

1233
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 6: We shall chat, we shall check well, yes, what's your regular?

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00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: All right? Make sure you tune into next week's episode.

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00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: I've got your rich bff Viv and two on the

1236
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 1: show and some more fun content coming y'all's way. Bye

1237
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 1: until next time. And before I go, be a fam

1238
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 1: I want to shout out the team that helps make

1239
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: Brown Ambition possible huge thanks to my fam at iHeartRadio,

1240
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Katrina Norvel and Jenna Cagel, my worker bees behind the

1241
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: scenes booking assistant Brittany Laie and virtual assistant Cameron McNair

1242
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: who keep organized, and of course my editor Courtney Dean.

1243
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: Thank y'all so much for supporting the show. If you

1244
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: love Brown Ambition and share it with a friend, tag

1245
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