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Speaker 1: This is Kyle Stowers and you're listening to Fish on First.

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Speaker 2: Welcome into fish on First Live, the first live stream

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Speaker 2: we're doing presented by jet Ski Rentals of South Florida,

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Speaker 2: first live stream we're doing since partnering with foul Territory Network,

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Speaker 2: Big step forward. Lots to cover in today's live stream.

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Speaker 2: Joining me is Kevin Barrow, Eli Sussman, Alex Carver. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jeremiah Geiger, and we have plenty to talk about, almost

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Speaker 2: a full week's worth of grape Fruit League action. Guys,

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Speaker 2: how are we feeling good? There's there's a lot to

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Speaker 2: dive into. I think I think there's good. There's some bad,

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Speaker 2: a lot of good stories in terms of Bracts coming back.

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Speaker 2: We got to see Thomas White, Robbie Steal gets to

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Speaker 2: start tomorrow, and we've been at almost every game so

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Speaker 2: far official for us that coverage out there.

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Speaker 3: We have Nate on site. It seems like he has

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Speaker 3: a couple of fans as well out at Dunedin and

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Speaker 3: we'll see if that's the same in clear Water tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: It's it's yeah. That was a nice milestone, uh, to

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Speaker 4: be recognized uh from fans, much less being embraced literally

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Speaker 4: embraced by by fans well while doing his coverage out there.

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Speaker 4: So yes, it's a good point that it's been an

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Speaker 4: interesting start to this spring, even in a small sample size,

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Speaker 4: and something like that stands out. It's like how much

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Speaker 4: they are really alternating reps and slow playing it in

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Speaker 4: terms of not getting anybody too deeply involved in these

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Speaker 4: games right away. So we're dealing with the smallest of

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Speaker 4: small samples so far, and to day of all, Day's

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Speaker 4: kind of a perfectly really epitomize this team the way

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Speaker 4: that the game actually played out for a game where

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Speaker 4: the results of themselves couldn't be any less relevant, the

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Speaker 4: fact that the actual sequence of events kind of mirrored

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Speaker 4: a lot of comebacks that we saw during the twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty five regular season. I think a lot of fans

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Speaker 4: got a kick out of that.

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Speaker 2: Carver.

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Speaker 5: What do you think so far?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, mixed bag really so far. Like Eli said, it's

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Speaker 1: just a lot of guys getting reps, a lot of

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Speaker 1: guys getting getting time. They're looking at a lot of

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Speaker 1: different moving parts, which is interesting. But when you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of close near major league ready young guys

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Speaker 1: and then some established big leaguers on top of that

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Speaker 1: with some battles going on, that's what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to see some of the young guys getting

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Speaker 1: start the year still, but to see them show well,

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Speaker 1: like Carson Millbrand did say, was really good. Brandon Jones

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Speaker 1: I think has done well so far for himself this

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Speaker 1: from the next prop of guys coming as well that

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Speaker 1: probably won't make the team right now, but could make

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Speaker 1: some kind of impact maybe later this year or next year.

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Speaker 1: So uh yeah. Dylan Lewis today with the hit two,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is first as a Marlin, which is

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Speaker 1: cool to see. So yeah, awesome stuff so far. I

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Speaker 1: think there's been both good and bad. As Kevin said,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I think that from the outset some

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Speaker 1: of these final roster spots, I am intrigued that a

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Speaker 1: lot of the guys that I am rooting for, not

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Speaker 1: that I'm not rooting for any of them, I'm rooting

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Speaker 1: for all of them, but some of the younger guys

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Speaker 1: but yeah, uh, kind of a mixed bat so far,

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Speaker 1: good and bad, but I'm encouraged for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Carl' good stuff from rhyano nafah huh.

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Speaker 5: And it was a big day.

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Speaker 2: I felt like because we have the return of Brax

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Speaker 5: I felt like, yeah, yeah, thanks.

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Speaker 4: Right on, cue, we have some video from Nate that

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Speaker 4: we got from the ballpark speaking with Braxton after the game,

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Speaker 4: So let's get that first and then we'll dive in

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Speaker 4: a little bit more about what he said about his

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Speaker 3: Were there any jitters out there? First time on a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was definitely a little nervous. Adrenaline was going.

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Speaker 6: You know, I say nervous, but I'm really excited. It's

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Speaker 1: So I definitely felt some nervous getting back out there.

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Speaker 3: For the first time.

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Speaker 1: Fast falls to ninety three a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: Just howd that pitchfield today? Was a spot in command?

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Speaker 6: It feels pretty good coming out good command, not great.

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Speaker 6: I got to clean that up. I just felt like

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Speaker 3: Just what are you gonna work on for that pips

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Speaker 1: I got talked to Rob a little bit on that now.

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Speaker 6: Mostly just getting into you know, up on the right

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Speaker 6: Just got a hit the shape a little more consistent

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Speaker 4: It is Brax speaking today. I know some There was

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Speaker 4: is a bit notable. Like there were plenty of starts

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Speaker 4: important for him because when he was before getting heart

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the guy who I think kind of relies

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Speaker 3: I mean it was a fun start. He got out

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Speaker 3: Nothing crazy. He's been building up for a while. He

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, definitely encouraging to see him back on

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Speaker 1: So I mean, unless Snelling makes the team or Thomas

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Speaker 1: and maybe what the Marlins could get for him, maybe

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Speaker 1: Stuff like that is kind of what you look at.

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Speaker 1: But if they do want to left the end of

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Speaker 3: But I think I think you even need to ask yourself, like,

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Speaker 3: is this the guy who's going to make the opening

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what this spring is going to

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Speaker 1: don't take that ninety seven that he threw in his

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Speaker 1: first start to heart it either. Kind of like Braxton

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Speaker 1: thirty ninety five. He's not a huge vlow guy. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna take a ninety three ninety four, but he's got

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Speaker 1: like five pitches to him and really good control. So

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Speaker 1: Robbie Snelling is going to be on this team. He

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to be on the team out of spring training, though.

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Speaker 3: Don't the Marlins get an extra pick if he's on

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Speaker 3: the opening day roster and on the roster throughout the

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Speaker 3: entire year? Or is I or am I missing something there?

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Speaker 4: Let me clarify how that works. Where if if they

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Speaker 4: keep smelling down for as cover noted, a little over

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Speaker 4: two weeks, then that ordinarily will prevent him from accruing

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Speaker 4: a full year of service time this year and gives

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Speaker 4: them team control through at least seven seasons instead of

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Speaker 4: six seasons. That there are exceptions to that, most notably

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Speaker 4: Paul Schemes because under the prospect the current rules, not

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Speaker 4: the prospect promotion incentive. That's what Kevin's thinking about through

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Speaker 4: the new change in the CBA. If you win Rookie

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Speaker 4: of the Year and you entered that year as like

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Speaker 4: a actually it's really anybody that wins Rookie the year

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Speaker 4: they get credited with that full year of service in

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Speaker 4: that first year. That's how Schemes got it, and that's

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Speaker 4: why all of a sudden, the clock is kind of

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Speaker 4: ticking down on the pirates with him, even though he

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Speaker 4: didn't get called up until like mid May of that

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Speaker 4: year a couple of years ago, because he won Rookie

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Speaker 4: of the Year, it was a new, relatively new rule

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Speaker 4: that he get credited with a full year of service anyway,

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Speaker 4: same thing with Adelie Rushman when he won't Rookie the Year.

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Speaker 4: So Snelling he's still awesome when he gets called up,

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Speaker 4: even if they delayed a few weeks. You might get

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Speaker 4: that extra year anyway, but you have to be on

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Speaker 4: the opening day roster as a to trigger the prospect

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Speaker 4: promotion incentive. If you're a top one hundred prospect like

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Speaker 4: Snelling is, then you can activate that if your team

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Speaker 4: actually takes that incentive and puts you on the opening

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Speaker 4: day roster. That means that if he, for example, if

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Speaker 4: he contends for Rookie of the Year, even if you

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Speaker 4: finish his second in Rookie of the Year and actually

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Speaker 4: spends the whole season on the team's roster, then that

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Speaker 4: triggers the extra draft pick, where you get an extra

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Speaker 4: pick at the end of the first round, which is

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Speaker 4: extremely valuable, and so that comes into play again. That

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Speaker 4: is contingent on where you finish with Rookie of the Year.

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Speaker 4: It's also something that could be triggered in the next

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Speaker 4: couple of years based on like Cy Young finishes. That's

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Speaker 4: only for that's if your guy you're looking at you

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Speaker 4: feel has an extremely high ceiling, then it's worth it.

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Speaker 4: And with Snelling, he's in that interesting spot where I

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Speaker 4: think everybody agrees that he's going to be a productive

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Speaker 4: starter in the big leagues. Is he's somebody that's realistically

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Speaker 4: gonna be at that high end where you think you're

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Speaker 4: really going to get it's actually gonna actualize in terms

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Speaker 4: of Rookie the Year or so Young Probably not that

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Speaker 4: might be taking a step too far. So he's it's

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Speaker 4: an interesting middle. It's an interesting game of push and

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Speaker 4: pull where they do have some incentive to promote him early,

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Speaker 4: but at the same time, uh, the most likely outcome

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Speaker 4: is that holding him down is what's going to pay

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Speaker 4: off long term because he's going to be somewhere in

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Speaker 4: the middle in terms of his accolades and getting that

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Speaker 4: extra year of service time is throughout this organization's history,

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Speaker 4: whenever they've had a chance to do that, they've done that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's it's in terms of his like

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Speaker 1: long term future and like is he going to you know,

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Speaker 1: contend for a cy Young Award in his first season.

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Speaker 1: As much as I really really love Robbie Selling, I

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Speaker 1: think it's more of a control first guy than a

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Speaker 1: huge swing a mess, you know, blow it by you

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Speaker 1: stuff like Thomas White. Their stuff is a lot different,

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Speaker 1: where Thomas has that blow it by you amazing stuff,

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Speaker 1: and Snelling's more of the command and control artists that's

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Speaker 1: going to really outthink you on the mound. So I

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Speaker 1: would say he breaks in. I personally wouldn't expect to

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Speaker 1: see him finishing top two in SAI Young voting as

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Speaker 1: he breaks into his big league career. However, he could

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Speaker 1: be very very good in terms of limiting walks and

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Speaker 1: limiting damage, so I wouldn't expect that, and I would

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Speaker 1: expect the Marlins to prioritize the ear of control, especially

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Speaker 1: because it's the Marlins. So I don't think at this

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Speaker 1: point we'll see Robbie on the opening day roster, but

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Speaker 1: we will see him very shortly in the season and

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Speaker 1: with the control maybe and just go crazy this spring,

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Speaker 1: and then he would earn his spot and force their hands.

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Speaker 1: So it depends what he does this spring. I think

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Speaker 1: it would take a bit.

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Speaker 3: I think that the same thing applies to someone look

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Speaker 3: at Joe matt where I think they will do pretty

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Speaker 3: much the same thing where they're going to try to

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Speaker 3: get that year of control. And I think it will

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Speaker 3: be the Augustine thing, right. I think they're going to

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Speaker 3: give Augustine this time where he could catch maybe do it,

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Speaker 3: maybe not. And if it doesn't work, there it is

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Speaker 3: you got to I don't. I don't see him breaking

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Speaker 3: camp unfortunate, he would have to. It have to be

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Speaker 3: like the Jordan Walker type spring that he had a

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Speaker 3: couple of years back where he forced his way onto

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Speaker 3: the roster, which I don't see that he could do it.

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Speaker 3: But well, they are gonna try to get the extra year.

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Speaker 3: I think they like this tandem of Augustin Hicks at

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Speaker 3: the moment until they realize Augustin can't do it behind

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Speaker 3: the plate, and then that's when they'll start experimenting with

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Speaker 3: Ramirez at first or wherever it may be. And that's

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Speaker 3: when you call up someone like a Joe Mack, who

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Speaker 3: Chris Pattick gave a lot of credit to how he

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Speaker 3: worked behind the plate. Although I don't know how much

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Speaker 3: credit you give that now because of the Colin pitches

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Speaker 3: from the dugout, I think it's just more how you

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Speaker 3: frame pitches, the abs, success, all that stuff. But people

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Speaker 3: seem to like working with Joe Mack. They are very

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Speaker 3: high on this guy. They really like this guy more.

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Speaker 3: I think it's more like the defense and the offense

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Speaker 3: that they like from this guy, Like he's a really

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Speaker 3: good offensive piece, but man, what he does behind the

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Speaker 3: plate is very impressive. I mean, Carver, you see it

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Speaker 3: a lot like this is a really good prospect. I

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Speaker 3: think they're gonna wait, just like they did with Ramirez.

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Speaker 3: I think that conversation we're just having with Snelling applies

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Speaker 3: to someone like a Thomas White. I think White will

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Speaker 3: be a little bit later though, and then a Joe Mack.

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Speaker 5: Here's the big question. Here's what fascinates me.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have on the forty man roster, assuming Liam

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Speaker 2: Hicks and Augustine Ramirez are the two catchers to break

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Speaker 2: camp mac isn't what do you do with those three catchers?

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Speaker 5: Positional wise?

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Speaker 2: Do you move Augustine to full time DH like you

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Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, Kevin, do you move him to first base

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Speaker 2: and give him reps there. I don't see a scenario

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Speaker 2: in which you can justify having three catchers and splitting

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Speaker 2: catching duties between the three of them per week. You

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Speaker 2: have to get playing time at bats here and there.

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Speaker 2: So like, if Augustine's a clear liability behind the plate,

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Speaker 2: then do you just bite the bullet and make him

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Speaker 2: a full DH because that's what I'm leaning toward. If

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Speaker 2: you don't want to give him a shot at first

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Speaker 2: when matc comes.

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Speaker 1: Up, yeah, I mean they're gonna have to figure out

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Speaker 1: some kind of answer with Augustin Ramirez's future in terms

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Speaker 1: of what position he plays, because it's not gonna be

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Speaker 1: I think they kind of already know it. Honestly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna try it because I think they have to.

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Speaker 1: But it's just it's not a position for everyone. Number One,

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Speaker 1: it's probably the hardest position to play on the diamond.

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Speaker 1: It's it's ruling to play that position. It is very,

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Speaker 1: very very difficult to be a major league baseball catcher

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Speaker 1: every day. And then just tools wise, this this player

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Speaker 1: doesn't have it in the cards. I think they'll they'll

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Speaker 1: realize that or or admit to realizing that before long.

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Speaker 1: Joe Mack has been an amazing defensive catcher since high school.

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Speaker 1: That's never been a problem. The question with him is

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Speaker 1: is his back going to come to fruition? And we've

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Speaker 1: already started to see that, including last year with Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: and already this spring. Joe mack Is is arriving now,

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Speaker 1: and I think that the Marlins need nobody's gonna block that.

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Speaker 1: August and Ramirez isn't gonna block that. Obviously, Liam Hicks

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Speaker 1: isn't going to block that. But that tandem of Mac

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Speaker 1: and Liam Hicks, that sounds really good to me, especially

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Speaker 1: for Mac to continue to learn from somebody, likely Hicks.

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Speaker 1: I think that is an awesome thing to have. And

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Speaker 1: credit Toll Marlins for finding Liam Hicks by the way

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Speaker 1: in the Rule five drafts. That's that's fantastic, this tandem.

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Speaker 1: I think that how the Marlins are lining up at catcher,

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Speaker 1: nothing's going to block that. With Mac leading the way

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Speaker 1: and Hicks being the mentor, that's going to be spectacular

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Speaker 1: to continue to have on this team for a long time.

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Speaker 1: And the question with augustin how's he going to how's

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Speaker 1: he going to hit? Does he hit enough? Because that's

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Speaker 1: what's going to carry this player as the bat so

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Speaker 1: and the speed. I think the speed is intriguing as

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Speaker 1: well with him, So get him out from behind and plate,

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Speaker 1: get him out from crouching on his knees, let that

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Speaker 1: speed work for you a little bit, and make him

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Speaker 1: an offensive only player. I think that is a great

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Speaker 1: answer to that question.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then you'll have guys like Conin and others behind

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Speaker 1: him that can kind of split reps at the age

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Speaker 1: if they have to. I don't think that's a bad

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Speaker 1: problem to have Augustin being the primary designated hitter on

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Speaker 1: this team is. I think the future that they're going

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Speaker 1: towards very quickly, as Joe Mack is ready right now.

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Speaker 4: So Liam Hicks, I want to talk about Liam Hicks

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Speaker 4: from the catcher situation, because that is directly related to

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Speaker 4: both Mac and to Gus, both for this year and beyond.

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Speaker 5: Heading into spring training.

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Speaker 4: The talk from Hicks is that he put on some

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Speaker 4: behind the plate, just getting stronger and kind of realizing

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Speaker 4: that was somewhat of a limitation on his game last year,

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Speaker 4: and that's something that really jumped out to me watching

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Speaker 4: him last season, his numbers offensively like slowly trailed off

649
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Speaker 4: as a year went on, where you would still see

650
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 4: great swing decisions and you would still see a lot

651
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 4: of good stuff, but it was capped by the fact

652
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: that even when he crushed the ball, it was usually

653
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: dying at the warning track. I think he only hit

654
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 4: five home runs five or six homers, and one of

655
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: those was definitely off a position player. Late in the year,

656
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 4: he had a pretty long streak where his power was

657
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 4: fading small sample size. This spring, he is really hitting

658
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 4: the ball noticeably better. He's already had three hard hit

659
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 4: balls out of like four balls in play, which is

660
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 4: about as good as you can do. And I think

661
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: he had another walk today on a relatively close pitch.

662
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 4: Where As long he's making the same great swing decisions

663
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: as he did last year, but he's also combining it

664
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: now with something that maybe can approach average power, then

665
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, that just solidifies his spot on

666
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 4: this roster. I think the expectation was that once Mack

667
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: was here for good, that maybe Hicks would get squeezed

668
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: down to Jacksonville or really buried all the way at

669
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 4: the end of the bench and having this aspect of

670
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 4: his game. I think he's going to be the differentiator.

671
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 4: Whether or not it turns out that he's the same

672
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 4: guy as last year, that does make him more expendable.

673
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: But if there's a really tangible difference in what he's

674
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 4: doing offensively that augments what he was already doing well

675
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 4: last year's a rookie, then he's not going anywhere. They're

676
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 4: going to find a way to play him, at least

677
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 4: on a part time basis, even when they feel like

678
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: Mac is ready.

679
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

680
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 2: I feel like if he adds more slug he's going

681
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: to have clear value in this lineup and he's going

682
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: to carve out a role. I mean, who can forget

683
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: that home run he hit back in Philly, that crazy

684
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: comeback attempt that fell just short earlier in the year.

685
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: I think Hicks is a fine player. I think the

686
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: ceiling's limited, obviously, but when you're looking at a player

687
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: that's expected to be a backup, I think you take

688
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: that kind of profile with that plate discipline ten times

689
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: out of ten. I think the only thing that doesn't

690
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: make sense though with Hicks and where he fits on

691
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: the roster is he's not a first baseman. He's just

692
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 2: not defensively, he's limited to catcher. Yeah, maybe he could

693
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: DH occasionally, but he's a five 'ot nine first baseman.

694
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: You don't see that type of profile at the major

695
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: league level. You just never do when matc comes up.

696
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: If it's Mac and Hicks, I'm one hundred percent okay

697
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: with that. Move Augustine full time to DH, and you

698
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: have your catching tandem for the next three to four

699
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: years in my opinion, because I think Hicks is that

700
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: valuable as a backup catcher. He's someone that can actually

701
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: pinch hit off the bench or on his days where

702
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: he does get a start, he gets a.

703
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 5: Couple base knocks. He's not an automatic out.

704
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: So I think there's a vision in place, but it's

705
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: all tension upon like like Carver was saying, move Augustine

706
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 2: to DH, because when he catches, he can't hit.

707
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 5: Then Hicks slides into the backup role and it's perfect.

708
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: Let me see what else people are saying in here

709
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 4: about Hicks and the catcher situation. One thing that does

710
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: jump out about Hicks even as a catcher and the

711
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: difference between him and Fortes, is that Fortes was as

712
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: good as it gets in terms of blocking pitches. And

713
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 4: for as as silly as some of these numbers are

714
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 4: in spring training, the Marlins far and away have thrown

715
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: the most wild pitches in spring training. It's not all

716
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 4: on the pitchers what the game the most most of

717
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: those came with Hicks behind the plate. There was one

718
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: particular game just a few days ago where they set

719
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 4: eight eight wild pitches with I think at least five

720
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 4: of those were with Hicks behind the plate. And that

721
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 4: is something that he didn't really excel in last year.

722
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 4: He was certainly better than Augustine in terms of that

723
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. Still, it is something that I think

724
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 4: that's they notice down the stretch when once they traded Fortes,

725
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 4: and the fact that the team itself didn't quite have

726
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 4: enough steam of course to sneak into the playoffs. That's

727
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: one aspect where Mac is such a going to be

728
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 4: such an important upgrade compared to both of these other guys.

729
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: So when Hicks, even though I like what we're trending offensively,

730
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: that is still one area where potentially that's something that

731
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: could be coachable too. Because when I bring up somebody

732
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: like Fortes, he was not any sort of extraordinary defender

733
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 4: as a minor leaguer, that's something you got better at

734
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: as he got more big league experience being able to

735
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 4: block pitches. So that's the next frontier i'd say with Hicks.

736
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's an assignment for this year

737
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: or maybe even beyond that, but it has jumped out

738
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 4: to me in spring training. One of the few things

739
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: that has has certainly been the number of balls in

740
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 4: the dirt that maybe a more extraordinary defender would actually

741
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: be able to help their pitchers out more so in

742
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 4: those situations. Owen Casey, we haven't touched on him yet,

743
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 4: and see he's one of the players that is heading

744
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: out to the WBC just a few days from now.

745
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 4: Do we think Kemp Alderman is going to get a

746
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 4: bigger opportunity when Casey goes to the WBC. This applies

747
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 4: to a lot of players and how their opportunities are

748
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 4: going to change in those couple of weeks when the

749
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 4: WBC guys are out of town. So yeah, that's one

750
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: angle to it. The other angle to it is how

751
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 4: we're feeling about Casey. Haven't seen what he's done in

752
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: this relatively small sample. I've been somebody that came into

753
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 4: this year, feeling that I need to see quite a

754
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 4: bit more from him as an overall hitter in order

755
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: to feel convinced that he's going to be worth what

756
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 4: they traded to get him as the centerpiece of Edward Cobaratrade.

757
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: And I know, Kevin, you've noticed that in these first

758
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: few games the strikeouts are pretty high at this point

759
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 4: in a way that I don't know what's your level

760
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: concern at this point what we've seen in that time sample.

761
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: It's early. He's only played in three games, but he's

762
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 3: in those three games already, he's already struck out five times.

763
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: He's yet to record a hit. I think on one

764
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: of them was an ABS, so actually it was today.

765
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: He got struck out on an ABS, just like Griffin

766
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: Cone and did recently too, So he's not the first

767
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: one that happens too. But I don't know. I think

768
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: he's a little bit too swing happy. I think he's

769
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 3: kind of chasing a little bit too much. I don't know.

770
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: I think it's early. I don't know. Maybe the WBC

771
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: will help a guy like this where he goes in

772
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,760
Speaker 3: plays a lot of games in a really short amount

773
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: of time, a little more high. Uh, how do I

774
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 3: say this a little more important than a spring training game,

775
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: A lot more important, actually, I don't know though. I

776
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 3: think it's just been maybe an adjustment to a new organization.

777
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: But he's not looked good. It's been very underwhelming so

778
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: far for someone like an own Casey, especially for a

779
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 3: guy that they believe will make the opening day roster.

780
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: I know, Eli, you don't think that, but I think

781
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 3: they expect Casey to be in loan deepop arcs, starting

782
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: right field. Wherever that may be hitting, he will be there.

783
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's been an wanting so far. I'm not

784
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 3: really sure what to think about it. Yeah, I think

785
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 3: just with time things will change. We've talked about underwhelming

786
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: spring trainings and this and that, but then you see

787
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 3: the case of a Kyle Stowers who ended up doing

788
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: what he did. So I don't want to, you know,

789
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: call owing Casey a bus of a trade or anything

790
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 3: like that yet. I don't think that's even necessary to do.

791
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 3: But he's certainly been underwhelming, and uh, hopefully things turn

792
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: around for the best.

793
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to overreact either, and I'm

794
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: not because I think Kevin is ultimately right that it's

795
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: early and this is a young player, but that at

796
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: bat day against Osman, his first at bat, I watched that.

797
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: That was real bad. I mean three pitches, three fastballs

798
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: and he gets struck out, you know, up and outside

799
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: just Gasman. It's a guy who throws ninety eight there,

800
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: ninety three, So I mean like that that. You see

801
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: moments like that and you're like, ooh, is this player?

802
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: Is this player actually ready? Like what's going on here?

803
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 1: But you know, we expect a high strikeout right from

804
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: this player. It's going to be part of it game.

805
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: But when you're going out on three pitches to Gosman,

806
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: who is a good pitcher, of course, an established major leaguer,

807
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: So it's not like that's a a far cry from

808
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: or he has anything to be ashamed of of that,

809
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: like it's you know, some unherralded prospect or anything like that.

810
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: But still when you see no one's like that, a

811
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 1: three pitch at bat and you're you're struggling that badly,

812
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, I want to see less of that, right,

813
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: So I think that there is obviously time for this

814
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: guy to improve. There's time this spring for him to

815
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 1: still show what he's got. WBC I think will be

816
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: big for him. He's competing again in that competition he's

817
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: already done at once. So yeah, I'm not worried at all,

818
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: but some of those moments that he's had, it doesn't

819
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: look very encouraging right now.

820
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 5: But there's time.

821
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, with Casey, I'm going to give it a couple

822
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 2: more weeks before I even start to panic, because again,

823
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: it's just the first week of Grapefruit League action. We

824
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: haven't even played a full week's worth of games yet.

825
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: I will say, though, like to the to the fan

826
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: base who is expecting to come in and be a

827
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: star right off the bat, look, I think he can be.

828
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: I think he can be a superstar. That's why the

829
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 2: Marlins traded three years of Edward Cabrera all albeit the

830
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: injury risk concluded, but they still traded a breakout pitcher

831
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: for a prospect that's a top prospect, hasn't proven it

832
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: at the major league level. So even if he makes

833
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,280
Speaker 2: the big league team out of camp, expect some growing pains.

834
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: And that's natural, and that's gonna be the case with

835
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 2: a lot of these Marlins prospects. I don't think it's

836
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: fair to put these astronomical expectations onto Casey right now. Now,

837
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: if this is September and we're saying he's striking out

838
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 2: on three fastballs in a row from Kevin Gosman, then

839
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: you know we're gonna have to reevaluate.

840
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 5: Here and reconsider things. But like Carver said, it's not

841
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,720
Speaker 5: necessarily about the result.

842
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: It's like how you're looking and if his at bats

843
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: start to look better, he's making more contact, and then

844
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: obviously in the WBC, we'll see how that goes. I'm

845
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,879
Speaker 2: going to be still excited for him come come opening

846
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 2: Day if he's on the roster.

847
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 4: His status kind of ties in a little bit to

848
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 4: Griffin Conine too, because the talk in early camp was

849
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 4: about how Conine was just in the first base, with

850
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 4: the expectation being that he was doing that to create

851
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 4: this wide open playing time for Casey in right field.

852
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 4: But I still haven't seen Conine play first base in

853
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: an actual game yet. That's something that I'll be following

854
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 4: kind of closely. And the reason why on the last stream,

855
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 4: I'd made that unpopular opinion that I don't see Casey

856
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 4: as this moment fitting in a logical way on the

857
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 4: opening day roster because I'm not so sure that Conine

858
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 4: is going to be fully acclimated to first base yet,

859
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 4: and there's he's naturally he's a guy that is certainly

860
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: in sink or swim mode, Like they wanted to see

861
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 4: what they have in Conine first just because of how

862
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: old he is and what he's already shown in a

863
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 4: small sample at the big league level. So that's going

864
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 4: to be something else I'm continuing to follow is whether

865
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 4: we see Conine at first base bit more. This goes

866
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 4: on having Hicks away at the WBC for a few

867
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 4: weeks does create more reps over there. Just based on anecdotally,

868
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 4: it seems like they were kind of encouraged with what

869
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 4: Conan was looking at at as a first basement to

870
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 4: this point. But where you know, it gets late early

871
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: in terms of spring training reps, so there's only so

872
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: many games he'll be able to get into unless they

873
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 4: start soon actually seeing how the experiment plays out in

874
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:34,359
Speaker 4: some sort of real game environment. Has Nardi made any

875
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: appearances this Yeah, this is a good time to touch

876
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: on the injury situation where Marlins have a handful of

877
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 4: guys that haven't appeared in games yet, but all of

878
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: them are kind of trending in a positive direction. So

879
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: with Nardi, he's been throwing live BP. I think he

880
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 4: may thrown again today. He did a few days ago.

881
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 4: Where he's trending pretty close to getting into an actual

882
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 4: game at some point, but not not doing it yet.

883
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 4: He is a lot though, and you're currently dealing with

884
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: a blister issue. It's no longer a back issue that

885
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: kept out all last year. It's a blister. So no

886
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: naughty in appearance as yet. We've heard about Jansen Junk.

887
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: He had that ankle issue. He was supposed to be

888
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 4: getting off throwing off a mound, perhaps yesterday, so we

889
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: could be seeing him. He's still an extra step away

890
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 4: because they sty'll have to face live hitters before getting

891
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 4: into a game. He's dealing with that. And then we

892
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 4: have Grand Paullie. Grand Pollie is an interesting variable here

893
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 4: where Polly is his his forearm. He had that forearm soreness.

894
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 4: They had to go undergo tests and there was I

895
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: guess there was a scenario on the table that there's

896
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 4: some sort of damage to that UCL and it turns

897
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 4: out that those came back all negative, just prescribed to

898
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 4: be resting for a little while. And I think when

899
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 4: Kevin was covering here that Paulie said that he was

900
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 4: hoping to get back into games really soon, within the

901
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 4: next week or so. So that's then, yeah, let's a

902
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 4: we'll see how we progresses in that regard. But yeah, Jeremiah,

903
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 4: if Paulie does miss some time, then that that does

904
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 4: create some an interesting domino effect when it comes to

905
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 4: all these position players, because that could make it depending

906
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: on Maybe it's as simple as Connor Norby slides in

907
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 4: the third base on full time basis, But I don't know.

908
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 4: How do you think that it does play out? If

909
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: Polly is even just a few days behind everybody else

910
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 4: that doesn't actually make the open day roster.

911
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: What do you think we see at third base in

912
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 5: his place? Yeah? I think with.

913
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: With Paully in particular, if Paully miss his time, there

914
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: we go. If Polly misses time, I think the easiest

915
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: solution is have Norby star at third. They want him

916
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: to play third base. That was the calling card, you know,

917
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 2: going back to last spring training is Norby's the third basement.

918
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: It's a tough position to learn, understandably, So I just

919
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: really want Polly to be healthy because I think he

920
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: gives the Marlins and dare I say elite defense on

921
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 2: the infield with Xavier Edwards at second, with Auto at

922
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: short and Pauli is an elite defender at third, Like

923
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: that's a really good defense. Now, first base is interesting

924
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: because I know there's been talk of do you ever

925
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: move Norby to first base? I mean, grand Pallie got

926
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: first base opportunities at a time last season, which confused me.

927
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 5: Also because I think.

928
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: Norby is better suited for first base than Paullie just

929
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 2: because of the chasm of their defensive skills. If Polly's healthy,

930
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: he should be playing defensively at third over Norby. First

931
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: base is something going back to an earlier comment, Eli,

932
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: when you were talking about Conine not getting in the

933
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: games yet.

934
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 5: People might want to remember.

935
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: He's never played the position, and a lot of comments

936
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 2: are going to say, well, his dad played first base,

937
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 2: and yeah, I understand that, but he hasn't played first base,

938
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 2: not at Duke when he was in college, not in

939
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: the minors, and professionally. He's had a couple couple stints

940
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 2: with the Marlins going back the last couple of seasons.

941
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: But defensively, I think you still need to learn the

942
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: position and get reps at first, and I'd like to

943
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: see him get in the game, because how else are

944
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: you gonna get his bat in the lineup? Are you

945
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 2: gonna start him at right field and push Casey down

946
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: the list? I find it hard to believe that Casey

947
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: would be overlooked for Griff and Conine at this junction.

948
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: How much the Marlins had to pay to get him. Yeah,

949
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: something I'm going to be watching very closely the next

950
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 2: week or two.

951
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: Well, I just want to to shout out real quick.

952
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call Norby's defense elite. He was a negative

953
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:48,759
Speaker 1: defensive warplayer. Oh, Py's defense it's up there.

954
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty good.

955
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Hayes, it's good, it's good, he said Norby. I was like, wait,

956
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. But yeah, no, Polly is a

957
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: loss for sure, that I mean. And I was gonna

958
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: say this, why, Like, yes, it's early, Yes, it's been

959
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: three games, Yes we know, But I mean, you just

960
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: really want to see Norby like grab a bull by

961
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,439
Speaker 1: the horns and go out there and really show that, Okay,

962
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: I belong here, I belong on this team. I'm the

963
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: third baseman. This is the guy you traded for when

964
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: you thought that I was the centerpiece of the trade

965
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: and not Kyle Stowers, like you want to see him

966
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: play up to that, and he's just so underwhelming still

967
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: and everything that he does, he is underwhelming, and it

968
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: doesn't seem that that's changed. He looks the same at bats,

969
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: look the same, his defense looks the same. It's just

970
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: the same guy. He's not even talking like he's enthused

971
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: in the interviews that he does. I don't want to

972
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: knock the guy too badly because I hope that he

973
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: can come back and be good. But it just looks

974
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: like the same Connor Orby that we saw last year.

975
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: Maybe there's something different going on behind the scenes. I

976
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: hope that there is for what we see in front

977
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: of our eyes. And yes, it's four games into spring

978
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: training and I'm not overreacting. You want to see this

979
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: guy come out and really really get after it, and

980
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like that's going on. So that's my

981
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: take on it. Maybe others and coaches will disagree with

982
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 1: me and say that he's been changed, man, but it

983
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: doesn't look any different right now for Connor Norby, and

984
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 1: that is definitely definitely concerning.

985
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 3: I think the change comes in the sense where he admits, like,

986
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: this is a bad year, A lot of it was

987
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 3: because of it. Well, he was injured for most of

988
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: the year. I'm not gonna say the bad year was

989
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 3: because of the injuries, because I think there were things

990
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: that legitimately happened on the field that did not make

991
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 3: him very good. But I do think injuries play a

992
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 3: part of that clearly, because he got off He ended

993
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 3: his season off well in the sense where right before

994
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 3: the injury he was pretty good. But yeah, you're right, Carver,

995
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 3: he had the bad throw at third. I think he's

996
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: kind of held his own at third so far when

997
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 3: he has played. Not saying he's been good, just he's

998
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 3: held it. But you know, then you look offensively, it

999
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: hasn't been great. I don't have to look at the numbers,

1000
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: but I don't think he's been great. I think he's

1001
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: actually struck out quite a bit too. On his Uh

1002
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 3: he's what.

1003
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: One hit?

1004
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 3: This is one? Yeah, well one more than Owen Casey,

1005
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: but yeah, he struck out three times. Yeah, one hit.

1006
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: He's put the bomb play, I guess, but he doesn't

1007
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: easy have to walk in seven ebes so whatever.

1008
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Yes, but unlike Casey, this is the guy

1009
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: that can't lean on just the one tool of power.

1010
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: He needs to be the bat toball guy that you

1011
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,399
Speaker 1: kind of refer to. He needs to put the ball

1012
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: and play to get on base, right, So, I mean,

1013
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm just underwhelmed still. I mean, I had hoped that

1014
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: he would come in and kind of be changed. Hopefully

1015
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: we still see it. I mean it's very early, there's

1016
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: still time for things to get turned around very quickly,

1017
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: but it just doesn't look or seem any different to

1018
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: me so far for that player.

1019
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 5: Well, also with Norby, what's his calling card? Offensively?

1020
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: He's not a power hitter. I know you said he's

1021
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: a bat to ball guy, but he whiffs and chae

1022
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: is at a rate that is nowhere close to that profile.

1023
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: He doesn't have a true like skill set that he

1024
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 2: can rely on. And if he can't play third, where

1025
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: do you play him? Because you're not playing him at second.

1026
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: I mean he's he actually, to me, has the profile

1027
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: of a backup utility player at this point.

1028
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 3: I'm all right, yeah, I want to go there, yet,

1029
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 3: I would give it some time. I think they're gonna

1030
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: give this first base thing a try outfield as well.

1031
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 3: I think he even wrote like he with more. Maybe

1032
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 3: I misread this, but he's not as bad as people

1033
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: may think of the outfield. Now again, it's been a

1034
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 3: long time, so let's you know. But they're gonna try

1035
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: him at third. They're gonna, they're gonna, they're really gonna

1036
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 3: hammer this third based thing down. They think he could

1037
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 3: do it. He thinks he could do it. I think

1038
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 3: he's the arm for it. I just think everything else

1039
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 3: has been a little underwhelming. So we'll see. He's held

1040
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 3: his own so far outside of one bad throwing error.

1041
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, I gotta give it time because clearly, offensively

1042
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 3: it doesn't work.

1043
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,520
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Speaker 4: Just us word on Norby when it comes to the

1062
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,439
Speaker 4: outfield stuff is that I had just reviewing the tape

1063
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 4: on what he was doing as in the minor leagues

1064
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 4: as part of the oriole system. Is a guy that

1065
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: one of his best defensive attributes is that he is

1066
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 4: an above average runner just in terms of straight line running.

1067
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 4: He gets clumsy when it comes to them everything else

1068
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 4: when it comes to having to make these quick decisions

1069
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 4: and kind of reorient his body to make all bounced

1070
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 4: throws and just the general hands all that stuff. I

1071
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: thought his best asset was actually his speed, and that's

1072
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 4: kind of why. Between that and just the raw arm strength.

1073
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 4: As Kevin noted, the raw arm strength is good too.

1074
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 4: That the combination of those things I think, I thought

1075
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 4: can make him solid in one of the corner of

1076
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 4: outfield spots if he came to that, but it's still

1077
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 4: a few steps away. I think the indication that Clayton

1078
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 4: McCullough gave is that they would after third base, that

1079
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 4: the main fallback would be first base, and then from

1080
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: there they would look at the outfield. So it's nothing

1081
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 4: that is pressing when it comes to that. And then

1082
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 4: just going back to offensively, I'm a little higher on

1083
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 4: his as a hitter than I guess you guys are.

1084
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: I mean, that is what really jumped out when he

1085
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: played for the Barlins those first that first month or

1086
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 4: so in late twenty twenty four, is how he was

1087
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 4: hitting balls out to all fields, even if the raw

1088
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 4: power itself is not majestic, like the way that he

1089
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 4: backspins balls gets to he's a guy that can play.

1090
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 4: His results in that department I think can actually supersede

1091
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 4: his playing physical skills with the way that he's able

1092
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 4: to hit the ball at right angles and the way

1093
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 4: that I thought overall that there is still quite a

1094
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: bit of promise there when it comes to being a hitter. Ultimately,

1095
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 4: what we saw last year especially, is that his swing

1096
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 4: decisions was getting in the way of him. He wasn't

1097
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 4: getting into the right counts. And then the other really

1098
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: weird trend is that his reverse platoon splits in his

1099
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 4: career where even if you realistically it's unlikely it's going

1100
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,920
Speaker 4: to be a true everyday starter. But the thing is,

1101
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,400
Speaker 4: if you play him only against lefties, then historically he

1102
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,399
Speaker 4: has not shown that he can hit lefties. When he's

1103
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 4: gotten hot in the past, most of his damage has

1104
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 4: come against same handed, right handed pitching. So that's the

1105
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 4: other interesting variable here, because this is a Marlon team

1106
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 4: that believes quite heavily in the importance of platoon advantages,

1107
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 4: and yet in his case, when he's been giving that

1108
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: advantage the past couple of years, he hasn't taken advantage

1109
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: of it.

1110
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean in the miners too, he was that

1111
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: true four average hitter, like two ninety three hundred, like,

1112
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: he was really good at getting on base and didn't

1113
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: strike out anywhere near what he did last year. So

1114
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I was referring to, Jeremiah to

1115
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: your point that he kind of needs to be that

1116
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: put the ball in play, not swing a mess. He

1117
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: does have sneaky power.

1118
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 5: I think.

1119
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't think he has no power. I think it's

1120
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: just sneaky more so of that Doubles first gap to

1121
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: gap guy I think is what he was in the minors.

1122
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 1: But man, that's a far cry from what we saw

1123
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: when he made with the Marlands last year. So I

1124
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 1: was hoping that he came in completely different. It just

1125
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. It doesn't mean it can't happen. It

1126
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: just hasn't happened yet. But another question, just a quick

1127
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: call for me before we go. I wanted to call

1128
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: it another guy that they've played at third base quite

1129
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: a lot, who I don't think he definitely won't make

1130
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: it out of spring training. Maybe we see him late

1131
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: in the year this year. But I've been impressed by

1132
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: Dylan Josso, who they've put at third base a bit,

1133
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: already has a couple of hits. I think he looks

1134
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: good at third base. I think that player is sizing

1135
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,520
Speaker 1: up to be a decent look and a decent get

1136
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: in that trade with the Yankees. So I've liked what

1137
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: we see him from Dylan Josso. I think he could

1138
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: be decent.

1139
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: One more guy actually would like to shout out and

1140
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 3: he deserves it. For now, it's Davison Della Santos. I

1141
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 3: don't know exactly how he did today, but through the

1142
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 3: first two games was actually pretty good. Good at bats,

1143
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 3: good stuff. Three hits in three games, so he probably

1144
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 3: had a hit today. He has an RBI. He's only

1145
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 3: struck out once. He hasn't walked, but he hasn't struck

1146
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 3: out yet or once, so three games so far. I

1147
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 3: don't again don't he's the guy who's gonna make it

1148
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 3: the opening their roster, but it needs to be noted

1149
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: this is literally the only true first basement on the

1150
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 3: forty man roster. So if things go south of Christopher

1151
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 3: Morele and maybe Griffin Conin doesn't hold it up at first,

1152
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 3: this is the guy. So they're gonna have to call

1153
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 3: him up at some point. They're going to call him

1154
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 3: up at some point this season. I think mister Jack

1155
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 3: mcbillon will be getting a call up contest point. I

1156
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 3: don't know when that will be, but so far, so

1157
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 3: good for Davison made the trip. I don't know if

1158
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 3: he'll maybe play tomorrow and clear Water again. Maybe that

1159
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: will be a Christopher Morele day, But I think for now,

1160
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 3: so far, good start for Davison.

1161
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: It's still early.

1162
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 3: I think it's early to make any certain takes outside

1163
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: of obviously Sandy and Ury will be in the rotation

1164
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 3: and Chris Paddock. That's those are the only three takes

1165
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,399
Speaker 3: we could make right now. All people and he stole

1166
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 3: a base.

1167
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what that comment was about, but he

1168
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: only has one strikeout, so I mean, yes, he will

1169
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: strike out a lot, but in the springs, one strikeout.

1170
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: I said that, no, I just as a comment at

1171
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: bottom was said, hiss, he whipping a lot. I don't,

1172
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: I don't.

1173
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, he's actually a pretty good at that.

1174
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's actually all of his his hits

1175
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: are singles, which is not like him. He's more so

1176
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: the power first guy. But man, yeah, I think Kevin's right.

1177
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: He will be up at some point. I would agree

1178
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: with that. It just depends on when. And he's the

1179
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: closest thing that they have to like, a actual first baseman,

1180
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 1: So I think he definitely will be up at some point.

1181
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: A good start for him, see how he can keep

1182
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: it up. But no, it's been it's been good for

1183
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: him so far too.

1184
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,439
Speaker 5: I'd be remiss real quick.

1185
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: If I didn't mention Josh White, if you wrap up

1186
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: the show because his slider is looking disgusting, I mean

1187
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 2: that that isn't an above average pitch that's gonna get

1188
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 2: a lot of hitters out at the big league level.

1189
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see him, you know, hopefully become

1190
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: a bullpen staple here in twenty twenty six at some point.

1191
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 3: Shot up Matthew.

1192
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you hear that he's a reliever, but he still

1193
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:53,919
Speaker 1: belongs on the opening day roster.

1194
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 4: Do it?

1195
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: He needs to be there?

1196
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, hold on, I want to share clips of mister

1197
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 4: White from today. This is pitching against the Blue Jays.

1198
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: Two more strikeouts. He had two strikeouts in his first

1199
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 4: spring appearance and two more today. Both of these are

1200
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 4: on sliders, one of them chase down and in, and

1201
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 4: then the other one was just almost perfectly placed right

1202
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 4: around the knees, just to tick below of the zone

1203
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 4: where it's too tempting to take. And both of them

1204
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 4: against left handed batters. So that is something that really

1205
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 4: jumped out of me about White last year, the way

1206
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 4: that he dominates both lefties and righties. He gets the

1207
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 4: same sort of stupid swings from both of them like

1208
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 4: last year, the platoon splits were non exist and he

1209
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 4: struck out forty percent of guys from both sides of

1210
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 4: the plate. It's just platoon neutral dominance from Josh White,

1211
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 4: and I.

1212
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 5: Think he's yeah, I think he's great.

1213
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 4: So it's his status is going to depend just in

1214
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 4: terms of the more experienced relievers ahead of him on

1215
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 4: the depth chart. And at this point we noted that

1216
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 4: one guy we didn't mention in the injury update is

1217
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 4: Anthony Bender. He's another guy who hasn't yet appeared in

1218
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 4: a game. He's been dealing with a shin issue, and

1219
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 4: he is He's faced live hitters recently. He's just trending

1220
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 4: in a way that you would expect him to get

1221
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,959
Speaker 4: into a game by later next week, and that should

1222
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 4: be enough time for him to build up for Opening Day.

1223
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 4: But whether it's him or if Andrew Nardi has some

1224
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 4: sort of weird setback, I think all it takes is

1225
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 4: one of those guys ahead of him to have some

1226
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 4: sort of injury or very worrisome performance trends to open

1227
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 4: up a spot. I don't think as it currently stands,

1228
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 4: I don't think he'd slide into the opening day roster

1229
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 4: right away. We've had and I think we've had this

1230
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 4: discussion before. I think he's he needs kind of one

1231
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 4: more experienced pitcher to fade off or become unavailable, and

1232
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 4: then he'll be kind of the first guy up.

1233
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: Ooh, disagree. He's there. He's on the opening day roster

1234
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 1: right now and spring training today he's just be there.

1235
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 3: I think he's on the opening day roster to I'll

1236
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 3: agree with that.

1237
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, undersized wrighty with a fastball, slider dominant combo. Maybe

1238
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: that could work out for another Marlins pitcher.

1239
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 5: We'll see. Yah. I love our cell.

1240
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 4: He's so observant, right. But Bradley Blaylock easy for me

1241
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 4: to say he is the one seemingly healthy pitcher that

1242
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 4: actually has not appeared in the game yet. Now nobody

1243
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 4: else is on top of this because nobody is thinking

1244
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 4: too much about Bradley.

1245
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 5: Last year.

1246
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 4: That.

1247
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something we.

1248
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 4: Will follow up on, perhaps is in the coming days

1249
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,320
Speaker 4: if he's still not using the game. He's on the

1250
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 4: forty man roster, and he had some interesting things. I

1251
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 4: think Kevin was there when he dressed the media, you know,

1252
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 4: poor a spring and he was talking about being excited

1253
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: to pitch it at the sea level something a monitor. Yeah,

1254
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 4: he was very likely going to be bound for Jacksonville anyway,

1255
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 4: no matter how the Spring went. But for people that

1256
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 4: really follow this stuff closely, yes, Bradley Blaylock is the

1257
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 4: one healthy pitcher that we haven't seen in the game yet.

1258
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 4: On the position player side, one that sticks out is

1259
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 4: Fenwick Tremble. He had really exciting year last year and

1260
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 4: climbing all the way up to double A and being

1261
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 4: very productive. There was gonna fall Ley got the invite

1262
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 4: to spring and I thought, uh, you know, maybe now

1263
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 4: with the WBC coming up, maybe that's when we see him.

1264
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 4: But the fact that he hasn't appeared in a single

1265
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 4: game yet, that is a bit of a yellow flag.

1266
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 5: First, he's there, he.

1267
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 3: Is there, right and with Blaylock real quick. He he

1268
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 3: did throw a live bp A live the other day

1269
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: the Dave Chris Paddock started is when he threw and

1270
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 3: they said he he'll pitch in the next couple of days.

1271
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 3: So my assumption is he probably goes tomorrow. So we'll

1272
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 3: see maybe tomorrow in Clearwater that'll make the most sense. Uh,

1273
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 3: And then yeah, yeah, we'll see. But he is he

1274
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 3: is alive, He is healthy. Uh, and he's gonna pitch.

1275
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 3: Not sure what, but he will pitch.

1276
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 4: Mm hm.

1277
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: You guys think, like I said, Josh White, is what

1278
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: Max Meyer could look like if they actually do put

1279
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 1: him in the bullpen, because I certainly do.

1280
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm not doing this conversation all over again, but yes,

1281
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 3: I agree.

1282
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: Now we're out of time. I'm just gonna end the

1283
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: show with that because it's been an ongoing conversation. So, yeah,

1284
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: Josh White is Max Meyer. If they put Meyer in

1285
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,840
Speaker 1: the bullpen. You have two guys like that, Let's go,

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Speaker 1: Let's do it.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we'll wrap it up there here on FLF Live.

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Speaker 4: Jeremiah Geiger, Kevin Barrall, Alex Carver, and myself Eli Sussman,

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Speaker 4: And yeah, we will definitely have at least one more

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Speaker 4: stream coming up next week and then on throughout the

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Speaker 4: rest of the spring training as we get closer get

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Speaker 4: a clear idea of how this team is coming together.

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Speaker 4: I have a bigger sample size of stuff to really

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Speaker 4: dive into. Thanks to our Palsa Foul Territory for this

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Speaker 4: new step here and things of course, who are sponsors

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Speaker 4: for keeping the lights on throughout this whole process as well,

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Speaker 4: especially jet Ski Rentals of South Florida. Their information has

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Speaker 4: been across the bottom of the screen throughout the entire show,

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Speaker 4: and I hope you take them up on their offer

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Speaker 4: and use our promo code fish on First to save

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Speaker 4: on ten percent on your order over there. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll keep you posted on the upcoming streams. It's a

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Speaker 4: little bit of an new usual schedule over the course

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Speaker 4: of spring training, but yeah, I excited to adversit.

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Speaker 5: Of you guys going.

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Speaker 4: One final technical note is that this one was supposed

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Speaker 4: to be streaming with our from our new pod specific account,

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Speaker 4: from the fish on First pod account, and I got

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Speaker 4: this little notification as I was about to go live

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Speaker 4: that they make you they need you to be verified

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Speaker 4: in order to stream.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and on the podcast account.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd let the verification lapse on that account and

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Speaker 4: you know, continue to be verified on the main FOF account.

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Speaker 4: So I think I got to pay like four bucks.

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Speaker 5: They have like a limited time offer with it.

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Speaker 4: They actually give me a discounted rate to re become

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Speaker 4: verified over there, So I got a slide elon some

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Speaker 4: money and then he'll set up that account then. So

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Speaker 4: in this case, we were streaming from the FLF account

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Speaker 4: and sharing it on the pod account, but yet moving forward,

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Speaker 4: the streams themselves will actually be emanating from that fish

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Speaker 4: on first pod account. If you don't already follow it,

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Speaker 4: please do so that you can be fully up to

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Speaker 4: speed and engage with all our streamsming forward. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: we'll wrap it up there, talk to you soon. Appreciate

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Speaker 4: the support as always, go fish, Yeah,