1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back. It is the lay 2 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Kick Extra Podcast Tuesday, May twenty fifth, the Year of 3 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: our Laura twenty twenty one, possibly the most ratchet, raggedy 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: sounding voice in the history of this show, and it's 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: only been me. So that's the scale with which we 6 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: have to judge. Pollen season or allergy season, whatever it is. 7 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: Is so brutal in Nashville right now, and I sneeze 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 1: so violently and so frequently that it is partially ripped 9 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: my vocal cords. So I have two options. Either be 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: a lazy bum, deadbeat loser and don't do the pop, 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: or just sound like this. I have made my choice. 12 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: I hope you ride with me. And I don't know 13 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: if Memorial Day presents are a thing, but if they are, 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: or if they become one, lotenges, keep your money, keep 15 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: your gift cards, just send lotenges. I don't even care 16 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: if they're off brand at this point. Go to Walgreen, CBS. 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,639 Speaker 1: I don't even need hauls. Just give me some lozenges. 18 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: We do have a good mail bag today and I'm 19 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: gonna go through as much as I possibly can. Hey, 20 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 1: you guys have been sharing this stuff, so I keep 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: saying the same stuff. But it's only cause I keep 22 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: checking our numbers and they keep going up. I mean, 23 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: imagine the surprise of management, if you will, just to 24 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: show you all what you are doing, Imagine the surprise 25 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: of management when they're going through metrics and every other 26 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: metric for video or web or podcast, whatever the case 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: may be. They're seeing an expected dip. It's not a 28 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: bad thing, it's expected this time of year. And then 29 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: they get to this little rogue podcast over here Late Kick. 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: What in the world is that it must be titled wrong? 31 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: These numbers look wrong too. There's no way that more 32 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: people are listening this month than they were last month. 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: That can't be Well, yes it can, and it can 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: because we, unlike some others out there, do not have 35 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: off seasons. And what kind of started out is a 36 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: cool thing to say has become a mantra that the 37 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: collective audience has gotten tattooed on its lower back. We 38 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: just don't do it. We just don't slow down. And 39 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: if this is the slowest time of year, like I 40 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: said on Late Kick Live the other night, stop to 41 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: imagine for just a second what it's going to be 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: like this fall. Yeah, so let's dive into the mail bag. 43 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: This morning, I got several questions, so I'm not going 44 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: to go a specific person. You know what, Let's make 45 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: one up. Josh. Josh from Nashville formerly Georgia asks why 46 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: did you tweet about Florida State this morning? So right 47 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: before I started recording this, I put out a very 48 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: simple tweet. They're normally the best ones. One line usually 49 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: does the trick, and I said, buy a stock in 50 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: Florida State recruiting. And so a lot of you were 51 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: naturally inquisitive, and then some of you come in the 52 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: DMS and say, hey, tell me more. Well, I'll tell 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: you right here what I mean. I was about to 54 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,840 Speaker 1: record with Steve Wolfong this morning on the Wilfong Recruiting 55 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: Whip Around, and you can find that on YouTube every week. 56 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: And as is usually the case with Wilffong, there is 57 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: not any more dialed in, tied in dude in this 58 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: industry than Wilffong constantly has to stop recording with me 59 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: to take calls from players or parents of players, or 60 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 1: coaches or staffers. And I just was listening to him 61 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: this morning, and then of course I talked to him 62 00:02:57,120 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: all throughout the week. There's a lot of good happened 63 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: in Florida State right now, a lot of positive energy. 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: I know right now the Preview magazine culture is focused 65 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: and infatuated as a matter of fact on the transfer 66 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: portal and all the additions Mike Norvell and his staff made. 67 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: And I am too, I'm gonna talk about this some 68 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: on the Thursday show. I am too. I understand how 69 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: significant it is with the talent deficit that they had 70 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: there when they came in, they being the new staff 71 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: to go into the transfer portal and get six of 72 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: the top one hundred kids in there. That's not all 73 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 1: the transfers they've gotten, it's just six of them are 74 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: rate top one hundred right now per twenty four to 75 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: seven sports. I know how significant that is, and I 76 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: know one of the focus is there because that's going 77 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: to be the name of the game in twenty twenty one. 78 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Class of twenty twenty two and twenty three recruits don't 79 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: matter this year, but they do matter for the future 80 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: and right now. And it's not one place I'm hearing 81 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: this from it several places that Florida State staff is 82 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: really making some headway. I think it was natural when 83 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: Norvell got hired at Florida State to question his recruiting. 84 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: Not that you had reason to doubt it, you just 85 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: have reason to question it. Brian Harson coming to Auburn 86 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: right now is the same way, because you just don't know, 87 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: you don't have a track record. They were at Memphis 88 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: and Boise, respectively, and it's just a different world. Well 89 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 1: by all returns early on, Mike Norvel and his staff 90 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: have taken a dive into the deep end in Florida 91 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: and beyond, and they are recruiting at an insane pace, 92 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: and I think it's going to pay off. Possibly this 93 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: is really caveated, possibly with a changing of the guard 94 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: at least in the recruiting rankings atop the ACC. Now, 95 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: Clemson's gonna be there. Clemson's been there. I think it's 96 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: four years running now, and they've been there on the 97 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: field for like six or more. But they've been ranked 98 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: number one. Have the Clemson Tigers in the conference every 99 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: year the past four years. There is some thinking out 100 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: there and I'm starting to buy into it more and 101 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: more that Florida State could be putting themselves in position 102 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: to finish number one in the recruiting rankings. For the ACC. 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: So for those of you out there who love to 104 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: use that word parody or balance or whatnot, and you're 105 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: getting tired of one team running rush shot over a conference, 106 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 1: this is where I would suggest you pay some of 107 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: your attention watch Florida State. I have talked about ad 108 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 1: nauseum over the past year, wanting one or more of 109 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: the big boys in the state of Florida to really 110 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 1: start owning their space and recruiting. I'm not talking about 111 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: Florida and Miami at the moment. I'm talking about Florida State. 112 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: And it looks like the Knowles are well on their 113 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: way to doing that, and that's going to be a 114 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: very good thing. Number One, it makes Florida State more 115 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: competitive in the mid term and long term future, which 116 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: obviously has a direct impact on Clemson, and it also 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: has a direct impact on other programs that have been 118 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 1: feasting in the state of Florida. But you can't just 119 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: do it one cycle, and it can't just be one 120 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: team doing it one cycle. Okay, the Gators have to 121 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: be on board, Canes have to be on board. Neither 122 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: are recruiting poorly. I'm just saying I believe there's a 123 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: world in which all three can recruit at an elite level. 124 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 1: And I selfishly, you know, is if I were to 125 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: just put on my college football hat like Rob Low 126 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: just wearing the NFL hat. Only person in history, including commissioners, 127 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: that I've ever seen wearing an NFL hat. I'm wearing 128 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: college football on my hat right now. And for the 129 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: vitaman of college football, y'all aren't dragging me into the 130 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 1: playoff expansion mess. But I will root for a more 131 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: evened out recruiting landscape, which is the real name of 132 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: the game anyway. That's how you actually accomplish the stuff 133 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: you think you're trying to accomplish with the playoffs. So 134 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: I've said my piece. That concludes our playoff expansion talk 135 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: for this morning, or does it, because as sure as 136 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: I look down at my notes, the very next question 137 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 1: comes from a Cochran four or five to nine in 138 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: the podcast review section, by the way, which I thank 139 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: you for. Some of you wonder what I mean by that, 140 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: because it is hard to find when you go in 141 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: the podcast and it's on Apple, I think is where 142 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: you can do it if you scroll all the way 143 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: down past all the episodes. You look down there and 144 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: there's a place you could rank us. I ask humbly 145 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: that you give us a five star review. We're up 146 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: near fifteen hundred, and that's an extremely good number for 147 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 1: a podcast of our age. We're about a year old, 148 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: by the way, so keep on doing that. But you 149 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: also can write a question there in the review, and 150 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: so I encourage you to do that because I see 151 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: all of them no matter how you send them. I 152 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: think we just get a little added traction if you 153 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: do it that way. So feel free, as did a 154 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: Cochrane four or five nine, to submit your question that way. 155 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: Here's the question said. I'm fine with a fourteen playoff, 156 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: but I want expansion just for the great matchups it 157 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: would produce. Just think about how pumped we are for 158 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: Oregon versus Ohio State or Auburn versus Penn State. I 159 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: think with an expanded playoff we get a lot more 160 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: of this, which would be awesome. This is a fallacy 161 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: to me. This is a fallacy. Now I know why. 162 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,559 Speaker 1: It makes sense on the surface. I used to ask 163 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: my mom a lot because I didn't understand money because 164 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: I was five years old. In my class, one time 165 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: we watched one of those documentaries on how things are made, 166 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 1: and they did one on the US MINT. I was 167 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: probably a little bit older than five. I was still 168 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: single digits though, anyway, So we watched the video on 169 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: the US Mint and it was not until that point 170 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: that I learned money is printed. I didn't know that. 171 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know that we cut down trees, we turned 172 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: the trees into paper, we put the paper through a 173 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: printing press, and we have just decreed that is worth something. 174 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Of course, you got to have 175 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: the gold standard. Well, you would like to to back 176 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: it up, But I didn't know. Little nine year old, 177 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: eight year old whatever JP, he did not know that 178 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: we were able to print money. But when he found out, 179 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: guess what his next question was, Mom, why don't we 180 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: just print a lot more money? Why don't we print 181 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,239 Speaker 1: enough money where everyone can have a bajillion dollars? Isn't 182 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: that easy? Isn't it simple? Just like if we have 183 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: great college football during the year, and we really love 184 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: these high profile, especially out of conference games that are 185 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: so rare, why don't we just fix the sport where 186 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: we have a ton of them. Well, it's because the 187 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: value is found in the scarcity. If you created a 188 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: million Auburn versus Penn States, then all of a sudden, 189 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: the Auburn versus Penn State game wouldn't carry the value 190 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: and the attention seeking nature that it does. The rarity 191 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: and the scarcity is what creates the value. That's why 192 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 1: college football's regular season is so great because we don't 193 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: get a ton of that. You can't have more of 194 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: it but then keep the same value. Just we're learning 195 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: this lesson right now, once again the hard way economically. 196 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: It's funny because this lesson has played out in several 197 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: civilizations throughout history, and yet you know, every civilization has 198 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: to learn it their own unique way, and I guess 199 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: the college football civilization is going to have to learn 200 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: it the hard way too. If you want to parallel, 201 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: look at college basketball because a lot of you expansionists, 202 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 1: you want to come at me and you want to 203 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 1: say there's nothing in sports like march madness, and I 204 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: agree with you, it's great. So why wouldn't you want 205 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: to have that? Have what a one month sport? Is 206 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: that a serious question? Pause? No answer there, But you 207 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: know what they do in college basketball. They have really 208 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: big on paper regular season matchups in a normal year, 209 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: not this past year because it was crazy and the 210 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: good teams weren't good. But in a normal year, you'll 211 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: see Duke play Kentucky. You'll see Michigan State play Kansas. 212 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's in those tip off classics. Sometimes it'll be 213 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: at the midpoint of the year. College basketball fans know 214 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: about the game, I mean, diehard fans know that it's happening. 215 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: They don't even equate to a blip on the radar 216 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,719 Speaker 1: screen in the greater landscape of sports. They don't even 217 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: It wouldn't matter because you know, it doesn't matter if 218 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: you see it or not. Whether I watched Kentucky versus 219 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: Duke on December third is going to be totally irrelevant 220 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: On Selection Sunday, It's going to be totally irrelevant when 221 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: the NCAA tournament rolls around. They just don't matter. Okay. 222 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: So that's what your precious tournament there, which I love, 223 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: by the way, and March did you don't get one. 224 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:27,079 Speaker 1: You don't get that grand spectacle for that one month 225 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: without giving up value in your regular season. It's that simple. 226 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: You think out there, I know, because I've talked to 227 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: many of you guys. You think you can accomplish both 228 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: and there is literally no logical basis in history that 229 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 1: indicates you're right. Unfortunately, some people have to see it 230 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: and believe it. You think to yourself, because you've only 231 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: known one college football, you think to yourself, there's no 232 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: way that the sport could ever become an environment where 233 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be interested in Oregon at Ohio State. No. 234 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 1: I didn't say that, No different than I didn't say 235 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: diehard college basket cakeotball fans don't watch Kentucky versus Duke. 236 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: I said, it doesn't have the kind of feel, the 237 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: kind of urgency, no safety net do or die feel 238 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: that a regular season college football game has. And it's 239 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: because they all play with a giant safety net under them. 240 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: They all know it doesn't matter if you win sixty 241 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: eight sixty four or you lose sixty eight sixty four. 242 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Chances are both of you are gonna still have access 243 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: to a one seed. And if not, I mean you're 244 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna be fine. You're gonna make the tournament. So everyone 245 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: just leaves, They adapt, they shake hands, Oh well, see 246 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: you later, see you on down the road. That's great. 247 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: If you want it for college basketball, that's fine. I 248 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: don't want that for college football. I want to know 249 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: that by the end of this night, even though that's 250 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: only Week two, Oregon, Ohio State, Auburn, Penn State, that's 251 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: week two, week three this year, I want to know 252 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: that someone has just removed every bit of margin for 253 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: error they have the rest of the year. They could 254 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: both still make it in but they can't afford to 255 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: trip up again the rest of the year, or it's done. 256 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Their playoff chances are done. That's what I want to know, 257 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: and I can only know it if we have the 258 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: kind of structure we have right now. All right, we 259 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: roll on, Shane says, I think it's Shane used an expletive. 260 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave it out. I know you've got 261 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: your kiddos sitting next to you on the way to 262 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: school any given town in America right now. So are 263 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: they out of school? Scratch that you're driving them to 264 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: the pool right now. I know what you're doing, and 265 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: so I'm going to leave the exploitive out. But I 266 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: share Shane's sentiment here. He says, I think it is 267 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: blank that tampering is going on to the degree that 268 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: it is in college football right now. What is the answer, 269 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: what's the solution? That's what Shane's asking. What are we 270 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: talking about here? Most of you know what tampering means, 271 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: but how does it specifically apply to college football. Well, 272 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: because of the transfer portal and because of the no 273 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: consequence nature of transferring, now, a lot of kids are 274 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: eligible to transfer, pretty much all of them are, but 275 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: a lot of kids, in their mind are a lot 276 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: more willing to consider transferring. Well, it used to be 277 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: that if you and I were recruiting, if you run 278 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: let's say Texas A and M and I run peyt State, 279 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: and we're heads up recruiting a kid out of Biola 280 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: Battery and he's a four star defensive tackle, and you 281 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: land him. I say, oh man, oh, well, see you later. 282 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: We'll probably see you on the field down the road. 283 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: But that's it. I mean, for all intents and purposes, 284 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: it's over for me and that kid, it's over. There's 285 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: an outside shot, like a one percent chance he transfers, 286 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: but by and large it's over. Well, nowadays it's a 287 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: totally different landscape. It feels like there is a large 288 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: percentage chance, a much larger than one percent chance, that 289 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: he could be back in play for us one day, 290 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: especially if A and M doesn't play him as a 291 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: true freshman, and he's not really happy with the situation. 292 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: So what I'm going to do is, well, I wouldn't 293 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: do this, but some staffs are. I'm going to stay 294 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: in touch with his aunt and with his dad, and 295 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: with his high school coach and his trainer. And there 296 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: are a couple of kids over there at A and 297 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 1: M who were playing there. He's one of them who 298 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: also played with some kids on our team. So I'm 299 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: gonna tell the kids on our team, high school teammates 300 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: formerly of the one that I still want from Biola Battery, 301 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: Let's just have them keep in touch. So I got 302 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: all these modes of communication, these lines are still open, 303 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: and come the end of his freshman year, reaching back 304 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: out and I'm saying, are you happy, because man, they're 305 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: not using you like we would use you. This is 306 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: happening every day right now. It's called tampering. It's technically illegal, 307 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: but rules and laws only matter to the degree they're enforced. 308 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: You and I both know that, and we also know, 309 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: along with coaches, that the NCAA is totally incapable of 310 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: enforcing what they have now on the books, and they're 311 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: certainly incapable of policing tampering, so no one's worried about it. Shane, 312 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: you're probably reacting to the article that Alex Scarborough wrote 313 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: for ESPN dot com the other day. I'm going to 314 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: go a lot deeper on that Thursday night on Late 315 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: Kick Live. And so I don't want to go fully 316 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: down the rabbit hole here, but I will partially because Shane, 317 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: you asked, how do you stop that? Well, in that 318 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: article that Alex Scarborough wrote, he had a lot of 319 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: coaches willing to go on the record. That's how you 320 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: know they're mad. They didn't ask to be unnamed. He 321 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: had an unnamed high school coach go on the record, 322 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: and the high school coaches sometimes are the facilitators here. 323 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: And the high school coach said, I would estimate sixty 324 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: percent of programs are engaged in this activity. Now I 325 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: think that's a little bit high, but I do think 326 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: it's a sizeable chunk of programs that're doing it. Some 327 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: of them are doing it just to get an edge. 328 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: The others are doing it to keep up because they know, well, 329 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: we either got to do it or get left in 330 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: the dust. So some may be more unwilling participants than others, 331 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: kind of like a major league locker room in the nineties. 332 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: Some guys juiced to juice and then other guys juiced 333 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: because it was the difference in them staying on the 334 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: twenty five man roster and making one point five million 335 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: dollars a year versus being in double A and riding 336 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: a bus all night to get to Toledo for a 337 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: double hitter, and so they did what they thought they 338 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: had to do to provide for their families. I've never 339 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: hated on guys for it. It's illegal, it's against the rules, 340 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: it's a stand on the game, it's everything. But you've 341 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: never been in that position. And so until you've been 342 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: in that position where it's really make or break financially 343 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: for you, don't just assume you know what you do. 344 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: We all know what's ethical. We all know, and we 345 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: all like to think we know in the back of 346 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: our minds what we do, but you don't really until 347 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: you've been put in that situation, you don't. So I've 348 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: never been one to, you know, really castigate these folks 349 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: for doing stuff that's wrong. But at the same time, 350 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm not endorsing the behavior. But having said that, I 351 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: got a problem with this stuff, just like a lot 352 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: of these coaches that were quoted in this piece had. 353 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: But at the same time, they look around. Eli Drinkwitz 354 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: just flat out went on record, as did Sonny Dykes 355 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: among others in this piece by Alex Scarborough, and they said, 356 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: how in the world would we ever assume the nc 357 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: DOUBLEA can police this. I mean, we had a basketball 358 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: investigation where they had guys wire tapped on record talking 359 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: about paying players and nothing ever happened. These guys are 360 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 1: saying this not me, but I get the point points taken. 361 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: And so they're saying, we don't believe the NCUBA can 362 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: police this, and they're right. And so then they say, 363 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: and so what recourse does it give us if our 364 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: competition's doing it, including doing it to our roster. We 365 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: either got to do it or we face the consequences 366 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: of losing. And after we go five and seven, our 367 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: fan base isn't interested in us saying, oh, but we 368 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: didn't tamper. At least we didn't tamper. No one cares 369 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: about that, and so they know what the name of 370 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: the game is. Well, well here's my solution. My solution is, 371 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: don't ever count on the NCAA to fix anything about 372 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: college athletics. First off, Secondly, that doesn't mean there's no solution. 373 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: It just means it has to come from the conference level. 374 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: Greg Sankee, for example, is the SEC commissioner. If he 375 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: were to get his fourteen SEC head coaches at the 376 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 1: spring meetings, or he were to get them at media 377 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: days or wherever they're going to meet collectively, and he 378 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: were to look around the room and say, raise your 379 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: hand if you're against tampering and you wish it wasn't 380 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: in the sport, all fourteen of them are going to 381 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: raise their hand. Now he can either call bs on them, 382 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: or he can do it in a more creative way. 383 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: He said, Okay, I'm going to give you exactly what 384 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: you want because as far as I can tell, none 385 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: of you are pro tampering. You all want it out 386 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: of the game. But you're afraid that the NCAA can 387 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: enforce the rules. Is that right? And that's say yep. 388 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: And so here's what he could say, Well, forget the NCAA. 389 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to police this. We're going to police ourselves. Here. 390 00:17:57,280 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: You head coaches are going to have to police yourselves. 391 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: And here's how we're going to do it. I'm not 392 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: going to threaten you with taking away scholarships or having 393 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: you go before the Committee on Infractions in Indianapolis. What 394 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to do is and then he reaches in 395 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 1: his pocket and he just rattles around a couple of 396 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: quarters enough where you can hear the change jingle. He says, 397 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: you hear that. That's the sound of money, that TV contract, 398 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: money that we signed, that logo the SEC created the 399 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: value for as a result of all our member institutions. 400 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: I have that money in my hand every year the 401 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: conference does, and we distribute it equally to you guys. 402 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 1: But moving forward, since all you guys are on board 403 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: with no tampering, I'm going to force your hand here 404 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: and I'm going to get all your universities on board 405 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: to agree to legislation that says, if you are caught tampering, 406 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: you're not getting your chunk of TV revenue this year. 407 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: Guess what that would do. It would turn the heat 408 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: up tenfold to any rule that the NCAA has ever 409 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: tried to hold over your head. That chain and only 410 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: that is the way that you're going to effectively legislate 411 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: this stuff. You got to hit people where it hurts. 412 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: It's in the pocketbook. You got to make these schools 413 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: truly believe there's a trap door that they're sitting on 414 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: and if someone pulls the lever, they lose thirty million dollars. 415 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: That's what you have to make them scared of. Andrew 416 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: has got a really good question that stems from a 417 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: conversation we were having the other night about the schedule 418 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: draft and about which games we were going to choose 419 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: to go to this year. And I picked USC Notre 420 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: Dame because it's a uniform game. I got to pick 421 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: the uniform games, especially when they are nationally ranked teams. 422 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: Andrew has a question, though, that's a really good, unique perspective. 423 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to hit it right when we come back. Okay, 424 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: So here's Andrew's question. He says, the last time Southern 425 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: cal won a championship was an four five for Texas, 426 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: ninety eight for Tennessee. I was five years old when 427 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: Texas won their last and wasn't born yet when Tennessee won. 428 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: My question is this, do these major uniform games mean 429 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: less for college students and younger fans nowadays? Due to 430 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: the lack of championship seasons for these. This is a 431 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: good point, Andrew. I think the answer is yes, So 432 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,119 Speaker 1: I was in what high school? I guess yeah, I 433 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: was in high school when that was going on, not 434 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: when Tennessee won. I was a kid when Tennessee one, 435 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: but I was in high school when that was going 436 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: on with USC in Texas. So those were my kind 437 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: of formative years of being a fan. I guess you 438 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: would say, and so USC and Texas. It would take 439 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: a long time for those brands and logos to lose 440 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: value for me. But think about this, think about what 441 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 1: Andrew's saying, and I say this all the time with 442 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: Tennessee fans. Tennessee was last relevant on the national scene 443 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: in the mid two thousands. They mattered. They weren't winning 444 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: the title, but they mattered there and they haven't been 445 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: since then. That rivalry with Alabama has been fourteen in 446 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: a row. Saban has been fourteen and zero against Tennessee. Well, 447 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: think about the age of the kids you're trying to recruit, 448 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: and you're trying to recruit him on the tradition and 449 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: history of Tennessee, and the bottom line is they're fifteen 450 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: or sixteen years old. They weren't even able to walk 451 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: or talk. The last time you mattered on the national scene, really, 452 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: And I know there was a blip on the radar 453 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: screen maybe for a little while in the mid twenty teens, 454 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: but that didn't last very long. And so to them, 455 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: this may really pain you. Some of those folks don't 456 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: look at Tennessee any different than Purdue. They look at 457 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: them like Arizona. It's just another program out there. It's 458 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: just another middling program. And I know that hurts, and 459 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: it's not the way I look at Tennessee. But I'm 460 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: old enough to know better. But really, I'm old enough 461 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: to know history, like I always looked at the history 462 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: of college football, so I could tell you about stuff 463 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: a long before I was born. But I'm the exception. 464 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: You can't be expecting high school kids. They don't even 465 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: know American history. They're trying to get out of American 466 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: history class. They certainly don't want to know college football history. 467 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: They want to know what the future holds. That's what 468 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: they want to know. That's what anyone wants to know 469 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: at that age. I'm not faulting them, So I think 470 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: you're right, Andrew Southern Cal. I know that they get 471 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: some attention because of their Southern cal Texas has been 472 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: the same way. I think you're right, and I don't 473 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: think about it like that, but I have a different perspective. 474 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: But if I look at USC versus Notre Dame, that 475 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: means the world to me. Just seeing those helmets on 476 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: the field at the same time, that means the world 477 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: to me. And I know the history and tradition of 478 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: the game and the rivalry, but I could easily see 479 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: if you're eighteen or nineteen years old, that game not 480 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 1: meaning nearly as much to you, and you don't really 481 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 1: get why there's a big deal made about it. I 482 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: remember when I was a kid, I didn't get why 483 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: there's a big deal about Army Navy because I didn't 484 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: have a concept of what the Army was, what the 485 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 1: Navy was. So all I thought to myself was, well, 486 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: they're never good at football. Why do these people always 487 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: make such a big deal about Army Navy. Well we 488 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: all know now, if we're adults, the reason why that 489 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: game's big it doesn't have anything to do with championship 490 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: aspirations or a history of rich tradition. In top five finishes, 491 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: that's a totally different hallway. But the way that little 492 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: JP probably felt about people making a big deal about 493 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 1: the Army Navy game. That may be. I know this 494 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: is tough to say. It's tough. It's tough to envision. 495 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: That may be the way an eighteen year old thinks 496 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 1: about some of you or maybe us, trying to make 497 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: a big deal out of USC Notre Dame. Now, stop 498 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: to think about that for a second. I don't think 499 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: it's quite to that degree because Notre Dame has been there. 500 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,479 Speaker 1: I mean, they've been nationally relevant most of these years. 501 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: Southern Cal. I know, we say they're not nationally relevant. 502 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: It's not like they're finishing three and nine or anything 503 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: like that either. I mean, it's a good program. They're 504 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 1: going to start the season in the top twenty this year, 505 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: they played for the Pac twelve championship last year. It's just, 506 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: you know what the expectation level is there, and you 507 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: have one in your mind for them, and they have 508 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: fallen well short of even coming close to meeting it. 509 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, the answer is no, Andrew, I don't think 510 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: that those uniform games probably carry as much weight. But 511 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: I would encourage you, you know, if you understand the 512 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: difference in college football as opposed to other sports. This 513 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: stuff matters. It always was emphasized to me when I 514 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 1: was growing up it matters. And most of the time 515 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: it was old VHS tapes you would have to go watch. 516 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 1: But I remember growing up in the South. For example, 517 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: you'd have that tape passed around of when Southern cal 518 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,439 Speaker 1: came to Birmingham to play Alabama Sam Cunningham. That's a very, 519 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: very famous story. And you'd look at the seventy eight 520 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: or seventy nine Sugar Bowl it was Paterno versus Brian, 521 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: it was goal line stand. You would see these big 522 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: games that Penn State Georgia game, these big games when 523 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: teams from outside the Southern footprint would come into the 524 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: South or vice versa, and they're just they were such 525 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: huge deals. Think about how big that has to be 526 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: for a game to happen in nineteen seventy three, and 527 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm growing up in the two thousands, and it's popular 528 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: to be talking about that still. It's one four quarter 529 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: football game that kids played decades ago. Well, that's the 530 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 1: value that some of these games have. But it can 531 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: only matter to the current generation if those logos and 532 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: those brands, if they're fulfilling their end of the bargain 533 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 1: of being good. You have all the resources, you have 534 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: every reason to be good. There's no reason not to 535 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: be good. So my advice be good, be good, all right. 536 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: I got about twenty five minutes out of this voice 537 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: today and that's all I could get. I trust me. 538 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: It has been a monumental effort to even make it 539 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: this far. Hopefully, honey tea whatever. Its probably to stop 540 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: at a gas station on the way home. 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