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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are batting along normally the show with

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Speaker 2: But when the news gets weird, I am Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 3: And I am Carol Marko. I'm Mary Catherine.

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Speaker 4: I feel like it's been a month since I spoke

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Speaker 4: to you.

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Speaker 2: Look, the news cycle never stops, my friend.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot going on, by the way, programming note,

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Speaker 1: if you did not listen to us on the Ruthless podcast,

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Speaker 1: you should.

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Speaker 3: That's fun.

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Speaker 2: Got to make a guest visit with the fellas, so

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Speaker 2: that was good.

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Speaker 4: Well, some of the fellas you know comfortably. Smug is

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Speaker 4: afraid afraid to face.

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Speaker 2: Me, so you can't face you just can't.

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Speaker 3: I'm joking.

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Speaker 4: Smug and I are friends, but we got a lot

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Speaker 4: of lib jokes on each other. And I've been on

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Speaker 4: Ruthless twice now and he did not appear for either

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Speaker 4: the show. So it's a running joke that he is afraid.

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Speaker 2: Why is he scared?

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, man, But it was nice to be

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Speaker 1: on with them and uh to reach some other folks.

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Speaker 2: So should we get straight into the.

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Speaker 3: Get it straight into it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had an important case at the Supreme Court yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Now this one's been brewing for a while, and you

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Speaker 1: and I have been following it. Yeah, one, because your

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Speaker 1: book Stolen Youth covers this subject exactly, and your co author,

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Speaker 1: Bethany Mandel, lives in the county where this big case originated.

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Speaker 1: So the Montgomery County school Board wanted to have and

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Speaker 1: did inflict upon the parents of Montgomery County a lot

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Speaker 1: of gender and sexual instruction, instruction starting as early as

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Speaker 1: through various means and story books and this kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And the parents in Montgomery County said, hey, we'd love

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Speaker 2: Is that correct?

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Speaker 4: That is actually exactly what happened. And it's crazy because

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Speaker 4: they're not saying, and you know, I don't think they

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Speaker 3: So that's where I am. But the parents who have

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Speaker 4: They're just saying, I don't want my kid being taught this,

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Speaker 1: Noting that the plaintiff in this case is a Muslim family.

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Speaker 4: Very you know, I would just guess all the minor

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yes, in the very liberal county of Montgomery County, these

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 1: So the school board says, no, you can't opt out.

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Speaker 1: And what was hilarious to me is once this gets

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, so is it the parents that are

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Speaker 4: That's right, And Bethany points out that Montgomery County public

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Speaker 4: this argument about forcing families to read these books that

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Speaker 1: Well, and it strikes me that, you know, again, you'll

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Speaker 2: These parents did not wish to.

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Speaker 6: What age do you in Montgomery County teach students normally

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Speaker 5: I think that it begins in either fourth or fifth grade.

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Speaker 7: The Human Sexuality class.

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Speaker 5: Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum. I'm not entirely sure.

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Speaker 6: It starts in fourth or fifth grade. I think, is

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Speaker 5: That, I don't think so?

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Speaker 7: Okay. And second, these books are being used in English class.

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Speaker 5: The division between English class and other things in a

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Speaker 6: And sometimes I appreciate that I went to second grade too,

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Speaker 6: but it's part of the English curriculum that these books

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I'm not fighting the premise.

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, it's not the math class, it's not

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Speaker 5: It's it is certainly not the human sexuality class. I'm

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Speaker 6: Okay, And they're being used in English language instruction at

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Speaker 5: So Pride Puppy was the book that was used for

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Speaker 6: That's the one where they are supposed to look for

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Speaker 5: It's not bomb site a woman and a leather.

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Speaker 7: Sex worker, right, No, no, it's not correct.

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Speaker 3: No, gosh, I read it directly.

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Speaker 5: The leather that they're pointing to is a woman in

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Speaker 7: Queen in this and they're supposed to look for those.

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Speaker 5: It is an option at the end of the book.

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Speaker 6: Correct, Okay, And you're you've included these in the English

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Speaker 7: Is that fair? That's what the district court found.

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Speaker 5: I think to the extent the district Court found that

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Speaker 5: it was to influence. It was to influence them towards

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Speaker 7: Whatever, But to influence them.

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Speaker 5: In the manner that I just mentioned.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what a I enjoy that. Whatever. There's a couple

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Speaker 1: One Gourse is just pointing out you're introducing this to

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Speaker 2: Sexuality which starts much later.

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Speaker 1: You smuggled it into three year olds in pre K

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Speaker 2: It's chaps.

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Speaker 3: But is it a drag queen wearing a leather joe?

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Speaker 1: It possibly everyone is a confusing and uncertain gender identification

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Speaker 2: And I'm just trying to imagine, like.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's crazy because when you tell the story to people,

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Speaker 4: book banning. So book banning. If you don't wand want

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Speaker 4: that is an example of book banning by these people.

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Speaker 3: It's very interesting.

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Speaker 4: That they actually got this to be a problem, that

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: And so one of the things that tripped up the

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Speaker 1: the justices had read these books, they had seen what

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Speaker 1: So some of the titles of these books for very

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Speaker 1: who made history. And suddenly Montgomery County is faced with

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Speaker 1: a very diverse crowd of objectors to these titles. And

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Speaker 1: they were sort of like, wait, wait, wait, we're good libs.

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Speaker 1: Why are the ethnic minorities in our district upset about this?

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Speaker 2: And that's because they're often more normal than the libs.

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Speaker 2: The white no true are not the normal. Right.

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Speaker 4: So I've told the story on here before, but I

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Speaker 3: We have like five copies I only have three kids.

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Speaker 3: We have five copies.

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Speaker 4: Of Julian is a Mermaid, which is a mad a

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Speaker 4: It's crazy how openly this has pushed in some areas,

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Speaker 3: The Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: I love that this is going to get attention to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how far we've come. I think this is going

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Speaker 4: So I'll get like an account like Patriot one nine seven,

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Speaker 4: Well, the question is who was called Well leaking to

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Speaker 1: I think Trump was invested him in him and liked

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Speaker 1: the way that he fought and got over the hill

447
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Speaker 1: in his confirmation hearings. Heg Seth was treated unfairly during

448
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Speaker 1: the investigations of his personal life and past during his

449
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Speaker 1: confirmation hearings, and he was right to fight back, and

450
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Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons he did get confirmed. Yeah,

451
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,239
Speaker 1: the signal stuff is boneheaded and they need to This

452
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: is what we said after the original signal story broke, right,

453
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Speaker 1: what are you doing to make sure that none.

454
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Speaker 2: Of this happens again?

455
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have a story of another signal chat

456
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Speaker 1: that existed, right, so whatever that is.

457
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Speaker 4: Maybe that one is kind of unnamed sources and we

458
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Speaker 4: don't really know, but the first one was really bad,

459
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Speaker 4: you know, so whatever, even if the second one doesn't exist,

460
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Speaker 4: the first one was no good.

461
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Speaker 1: Yes, can we just nip that in the butt, make

462
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Speaker 1: sure that we're taking care of that. And then I

463
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Speaker 1: do think for my hesitation such that it was on

464
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Speaker 1: Hegseth was about management and if this is the drama

465
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Speaker 1: that has fallen out, Yeah, part of his job is

466
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Speaker 1: to manage this so that you do not have this

467
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Speaker 1: drama that ends up spilling over and perhaps hurting the

468
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Speaker 1: administration's goals. Although I'm not sure what the administration's goals

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Speaker 1: are either, because there is a lot of talk about

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Speaker 1: some deal with Iran, and I'm like, why why would Yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: can we not be depoa which is the Obama deal

472
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Speaker 1: that you turned you know, you got rid of.

473
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Speaker 3: So much that.

474
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I want to just say unequivocally, I pose

475
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Speaker 4: war with Iran. I feel like the options presented to

476
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 4: us always are we need to make a deal with

477
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Speaker 4: Iran like Obama did, or we go to war like

478
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Speaker 4: I feel like there's some other things in between there

479
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: that we can potentially work out. And a lot of

480
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Speaker 4: this again, to bring it back to Israel, is US

481
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Speaker 4: giving Israel permission to do what they need to do

482
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Speaker 4: to keep themselves safe and sort of keep Iran contained.

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Speaker 2: Win.

484
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Speaker 1: By the way, Iran is basically naked before the world

485
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Speaker 1: because many of their defenses have been already taken out.

486
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's part of it too.

487
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Speaker 1: There's a time there's a time crunch here so before

488
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Speaker 1: they rebuild their defenses, you could have a clearer shot.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 4: And of course there was the night where the missiles

491
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Speaker 4: took like ten hours to get to Israel, and everyone

492
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Speaker 4: just like it, partied in Israel and then went to

493
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Speaker 4: the bunkers because they were like, the missiles.

494
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Speaker 2: Aren't even here. Set in alarm, right in alarm.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

496
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Speaker 4: John and Rassic from five for Fighting actually had a

497
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Speaker 4: concert that night, and he said that everybody was like,

498
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Speaker 4: we have reservations to a restaurant, so we're going and

499
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Speaker 4: then we'll be at the bunker when you know, when

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Speaker 4: they get closer. Anyway, Trump defended Hegseth. He said, ask

501
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Speaker 4: the whotis how he's doing.

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Speaker 3: And you and I have.

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Speaker 4: Talked about how we saw Hegseth as a magnet for

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Speaker 4: young men to rejoin the military. I can tell you

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Speaker 4: as of last week, the army has enlisted fifty one,

506
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Speaker 4: eight hundred and thirty seven recruits, or eighty five percent

507
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Speaker 4: of its goal for twenty twenty five, which is sixty

508
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Speaker 4: one thousand. They enlisted nearly three hundred and fifty soldiers

509
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Speaker 4: every day in December twenty twenty four. It was the

510
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Speaker 4: most productive december for the military branch in fifteen years.

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Speaker 3: I believe in Pete Hegseth.

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Speaker 4: I hope he holds on and I that this is

513
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Speaker 4: a split that is contained in this administration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm with you and I'm with them. I'm like one,

516
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Speaker 1: I want the administration to succeed. Yeah, not an a

517
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Speaker 1: JCPOA oh yeah yeah that talk is making me nervous,

518
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Speaker 1: but yes, and such that it will succeed. That you

519
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: need somebody who is you know, backed by good people

520
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Speaker 1: and keeping those people within the circle.

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Speaker 4: We're going to take a short break and come right

522
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Speaker 4: back with normally.

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Speaker 2: Shall we move on to still mad?

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Speaker 1: Bro?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

526
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: Are you still mad?

527
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Speaker 2: Bro?

528
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 3: I am like so, ma newly mad Bro? Why do

529
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 3: they keep making me mad?

530
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Speaker 1: Bro?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

532
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 3: Go ahead.

533
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Speaker 1: I'm about to get really mad because I just got

534
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: David's Wige's book in the mail, which is an abundance

535
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Speaker 1: of caution American schools, the virus and a story of

536
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: bad decisions. And I would have even just added a

537
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Speaker 1: very bad decision.

538
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Speaker 3: In there, super bad decision.

539
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Speaker 1: So I keep saying I'm looking forward to reading this book,

540
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Speaker 1: But am I? Because I'm going to be lived for

541
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Speaker 1: like three days.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're gonna have to relive all of that. But again,

543
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 4: these people are making us relive it anyway, so we

544
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 4: may as well get mad.

545
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Speaker 3: And that's it. That's right.

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Speaker 4: So Claire Leyman, she is the founder and editor of Couillette.

547
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 4: She was a COVID zealot. She tweeted really crazy things

548
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Speaker 4: at the time. She lives in Australia. Australia went absolutely bananas.

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Speaker 4: They locked down in a really serious way for a

550
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Speaker 4: very long time. I met a woman in Florida who

551
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: moved here from Australia and her talking about it, she

552
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 4: just broke into tears, like it was a trying time.

553
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 4: So Claire tweeted out a Tyler Cohen article we'll get

554
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Speaker 4: to that in a second in the Free Press. But

555
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Speaker 4: she said her tweet was lablique possible but not proven.

556
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Speaker 4: No evidence of international collusion with China NPIs, which means

557
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 4: non pharmaceutical interventions. Yeah, showed measurable effectiveness vaccine messaging. Optimistic

558
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,160
Speaker 4: claims do not equal deliberate lies, and obvious hyperbole does

559
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Speaker 4: not make for a compelling argument. And I was like,

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Speaker 4: I am sending this to Mary Catherine Ham because we

561
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: are talking about this tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, right wrong.

563
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Speaker 4: The NPI is more than anything else.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 4: Everybody has their own kind of bugaboos about this kind

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Speaker 4: of thing. I know for some people it's vaccine messaging.

567
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Speaker 4: For me, it's the non pharmaceutical interventions worked. No, they

568
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 4: didn't know, they didn't and masking did not work, distancing

569
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Speaker 4: did not work.

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Speaker 3: None of it worked.

571
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Speaker 4: And I need people to accept that and internalize it

572
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Speaker 4: because should we have COVID twenty twenty nine, I need

573
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Speaker 4: people to not make the same mistakes again.

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Speaker 3: So it's really.

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Speaker 4: Important to continue to say these things didn't work and

576
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Speaker 4: we can't do them again. Lockdowns did not work at all,

577
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Speaker 4: And that's you know where I am on this.

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Speaker 3: I am still mad, bro.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still mad, bro. And one of the things

580
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm mad about, and we can get to the Tyler

581
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: Cown piece, is that so few who continue to say

582
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: these things really weren't so bad will contend with the

583
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: fact that freedom itself is worth something. Right that what

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Speaker 1: DeSantis did, which was in general to default to the

585
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: side of freedom as much freedom as is possible in

586
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Speaker 1: an emergency situation for as many people as possible, while

587
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: trying to do responsible things that in and of itself

588
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: is much closer to pandemic plans of the past, to

589
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Speaker 1: actual plans that Fauci tossed out the window, to the

590
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Speaker 1: American spirit, to our actual constitution. There's given that pesty constitution.

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Speaker 1: No one gives value to that part of it. They're

592
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Speaker 1: just like, I mean, yes, we destroyed your lives, but

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Speaker 1: like not as bad as you think we.

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Speaker 3: Did, right, And I are like, we had to do it.

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Speaker 4: We didn't know that. We didn't know really bothers me

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00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: and you bring up to Santis. But you know, it's

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Speaker 4: interesting because he had taken some precautions, and I think

598
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: Florida had taken some precautions, but as they got new

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Speaker 4: information and realized that these precautions weren't working, they abandoned

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Speaker 4: those precautions. So I lived in Florida for we call

601
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Speaker 4: it our Florida Test Run for about five and a

602
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Speaker 4: half months in twenty twenty one January to middle of

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Speaker 4: May twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 3: People were masking.

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Speaker 4: My kids were masked in public school. We were kind

606
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Speaker 4: of the cold. I mean, we were very loose for

607
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Speaker 4: New York, but we were kind of tight for Florida. Yeah,

608
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 4: we were like looked around crowded restaurants and we're like,

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Speaker 4: these people are gonna die, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, you know, I culture shock.

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Speaker 3: I understand, you know.

612
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: I often tell the story of my friend John Cardillo.

613
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Speaker 4: I walked into a restaurant and he was sitting at

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Speaker 4: the bar, and that was something that wouldn't happen in

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Speaker 4: New York I think for another year plus. No, I

616
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Speaker 4: was like sitting at a bar during this crazy time.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So I get that people were afraid. I get that

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Speaker 4: people didn't know. I think that all of that needs

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Speaker 4: to be taken into consideration.

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Speaker 3: But but we figured it out, and the people who

622
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Speaker 3: maintained the.

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Speaker 4: Things that we knew didn't work for a very long time,

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Speaker 4: they should be held accountable. They absolutely knew at the

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Speaker 4: time that you and I knew.

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Speaker 1: This is the part, too, is that your intentional ignorance

627
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Speaker 1: of the facts. A lot of people were intentionally ignorant

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Speaker 1: on school openings because to them it was the correct,

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Speaker 1: left coded.

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Speaker 2: Vision, yes, to be out of school. And this is

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Speaker 2: what I call it facts. They didn't want to know.

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Speaker 1: They didn't want to know Achy facts because those Achy

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Speaker 1: facts were write coded and to know those or to

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Speaker 1: certainly to profess them would have made you icky and

635
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Speaker 1: write coded. This is the paragraph of the Tyler Cowen

636
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Speaker 1: Free Press piece that a lot of people take issue with,

637
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: and something that I think he's not wrestling with, which

638
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: is like, there was not only Willferral ignorance.

639
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Speaker 2: But there was also lying.

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Speaker 1: There was also very obvious confessed lying that we have

641
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Speaker 1: in emails and testimony, like we know people were lying.

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00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: He says, a lot of people do not want to

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Speaker 2: admit it.

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00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the COVID nineteen pandemic, the

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00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: elites by and large actually got a lot right. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: the people who got vaccinated fared much better than the

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Speaker 1: people who did not. We also got a vaccine in

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Speaker 1: record time, against most expectations, Operation work speed was a success.

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00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Long COVID did turn out to be a real thing.

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Speaker 1: This one gets me because he's an economist. Low personal

651
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: mobility levels meant that often lockdowns were not the real issue.

652
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: Most of that economic activity was going away. In any case,

653
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: most states should have ended lockdown sooner, but they mattered

654
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Speaker 1: less than many critics have suggested. Furthermore, in contrast to

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Speaker 1: what many were predicting, these restrictions on our liberty proved

656
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Speaker 1: entirely temporary.

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00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: Not that mean, not necessarily true.

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Speaker 1: And also your freedom matters during the time that it

659
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Speaker 1: was restricted.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, back to the whole freedom mattering. But also people suffered.

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Speaker 4: I knew gym owners, for example, in New Jersey who

662
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 4: they suffered. They didn't sleep at night, they worried about

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Speaker 4: their business, they worried about their employees. I took my

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Speaker 4: middle son to the barber the other day in Florida

665
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Speaker 4: and the guy had moved to Florida during COVID and

666
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Speaker 4: he was still very enraged about the fact that he

667
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Speaker 4: was forced to shut down. And his comment was, you know,

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Speaker 4: liquor stores were open, home depot was open, all the

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Speaker 4: big businesses were open. I had to be closed. And

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Speaker 4: he and I reminisced about how Governor Andrewcomo, you know,

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Speaker 4: would go on TV and be very solemn and about

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Speaker 4: how great a job he was doing, but he would

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Speaker 4: show up with a fresh haircut every few days, like

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Speaker 4: where's he getting his haircut?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Right? Of course, you know, they all were full of it.

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Speaker 1: That was my favorite thing during the pandemics. I was

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Speaker 1: just tweet these stories where Nancy Pelosi gets her hair

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Speaker 1: done and be like, we're all in this together asterisk.

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Speaker 2: It's just an asterisk because it's not all of us together.

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Speaker 1: Sir Cowan's piece is called our elites don't deserve this

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Speaker 1: much hatred, and he has some points that are worth considering,

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Speaker 1: which is like, but I think he's like, he's just

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Speaker 1: sort of mashing it all together, and he's ignoring the

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Speaker 1: bad behavior of the elites. He says, a truly elite

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Speaker 1: method is based in science, open in quiry, and truth

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Speaker 1: seeking behavior. That's true, and I love to sniff those

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Speaker 1: people out, and that's what I did during COVID and

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Speaker 1: found that they were not the people who had been

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Speaker 1: crowned elites. The people who were critical thinkers were often

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Speaker 1: not those who were blessed to give the.

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Speaker 2: Message exactly and sanctioned to give the message.

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Speaker 1: Furthermore, I just looked it up because the point about

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Speaker 1: the economic activity bothered me LA times, which is of

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Speaker 1: course friendly to California's approach. Compared California and Florida similar populations,

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Speaker 1: although Florida's older and unemployment in December twenty twenty in California,

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Speaker 1: so that his hypothesis is that without the lockdowns, you

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Speaker 1: were going to lose this economic activity. Anyway, So let's

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Speaker 1: do harsh lockdown versus not lockdown. California twelve December twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty nine point three percent unemployment, Florida five point one.

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Speaker 1: By February, Florida's was down to that's twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: three point three, and California is still hanging out around

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Speaker 1: five because they had slowly opened back up.

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Speaker 2: Florida retained its like economy from parks and amusement rides

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Speaker 2: and all that, you know, the Disney stuff. California did not.

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Speaker 1: Jobs lost California one point six to three million, Florida

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Speaker 1: five hundred and eighty k. That's almost three times almost

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Speaker 1: three times more in California.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's something to be said for all of that,

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Speaker 4: and for the people who were losing those jobs. And

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Speaker 4: I called them, you know, the pajama class. Some people

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Speaker 4: say the laptop class. And I admit I am part

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Speaker 4: of that class. I Tuesday in my pajamas, don't work

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Speaker 4: on my laptop.

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Speaker 3: That's me.

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Speaker 4: But the thing is that those people didn't have to

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Speaker 4: worry about losing their jobs. And I've met and I

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Speaker 4: know so many people that did have to worry about it.

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Speaker 4: The lockdowns didn't help they did not help prevent spread,

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Speaker 4: and that is kind of the endgame here, I would think.

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Speaker 4: So don't tell me now in twenty twenty five that

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Speaker 4: they worked, or that some part of it worked.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I tweeted out that.

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Speaker 4: Article and I said, it's now impossible to find anyone

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Speaker 4: who supported school closures during COVID, Like, find someone, find

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Speaker 4: someone who's like, yeah, that was the right thing to do.

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Speaker 4: It seems like everyone wanted schools open. No one called

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Speaker 4: me a teacher killer. Randy Weingarten herself fought to open schools,

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Speaker 4: but who was she fighting, you know, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Like, so strange.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Actually, the Randy Winegarden lie is so blatant because

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Speaker 1: Randy Weingarten backed her unions suing Florida and rond de

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Speaker 1: Santis to keep schools closed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you were literally on the other side of.

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Speaker 1: Legal action to make this happen. I'm going to read

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Speaker 1: one more from the cow and Piece to take you off.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons it takes me off is because

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Speaker 1: I think of him as like a libertarian ish economists, right,

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Speaker 1: so it seems like maybe he should have more a

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Speaker 1: little more criticism for these things, not reopening the schools

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Speaker 1: was a big mistake and meant a lot of lost learning.

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Speaker 2: But plenty of elites protested at the time.

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Speaker 3: Come on, where were these elites?

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Speaker 2: Which ones?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I meanhich ones? Does he mean us or elites?

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Speaker 1: This is a perfect example of where like, yes, there

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Speaker 1: was a class of elites that was conformist and cowardly.

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Speaker 1: Those were the blessed, sanctioned elites. And then there were

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Speaker 1: the David's wides of the world. Yea, who did the

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Speaker 1: real work and who were crapped on for it frankly, aggressively.

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Speaker 1: And now I'm going to read this book and find

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Speaker 1: all the elites that protested at.

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Speaker 2: The time time.

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to hear who those elites were. Let

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Speaker 4: us know if we are mentioned, because.

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Speaker 3: Carol, I know this account.

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Speaker 4: On X responded to the Claire Lehman tweet about it

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Speaker 4: about the you know schools and all of that when

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Speaker 4: she linked to the Tyler Cowen piece. Alex Joffe is

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Speaker 4: the account and he says children who went to Zoom

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Speaker 4: School would agree if they could actually read. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're mad bro today, We're still mad bro.

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Speaker 3: We could do I mean, we could just keep going

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Speaker 3: on this forever.

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Speaker 4: This. I need accountability, and we're not only moving away

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Speaker 4: from accountability, we seem to be moving towards. They all

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Speaker 4: did the right thing, everybody acted correctly.

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Speaker 2: Keys closed, and just.

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Speaker 1: On sixty minutes this week there was a scientist talk

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Speaker 1: about the next virus that's gonna make COVID look like

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Speaker 1: a walk in the park.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know what, you know what, girl.

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Speaker 4: I can't live. Yeah, I'm yeah, I'll just stay in.

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Speaker 3: Florida and hope for the best.

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Speaker 2: Actually stick with the Santas, let's.

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Speaker 4: Hang on to him.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us on Normally.

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