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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal hum ah.

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Speaker 2: For me, I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so

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Speaker 2: many players say, well, I want to be happy.

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Speaker 1: You want to be happy for a day at a steak?

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Speaker 2: Is that? Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tie, Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 2: welcome back to the show, my good friend. We were

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Speaker 2: just talking off air about your exceedingly dry winter skin.

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Speaker 2: Are you okay? Do we need to put a call

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Speaker 2: out to the verboler hood for any sort of rex

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Speaker 2: or suggestions to help you?

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Speaker 1: Probably? I don't know what I'm doing when it comes

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Speaker 1: to lotion or moisturizer. I know I have to put

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Speaker 1: the humidifier on, probably more often when I'm sleeping and

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Speaker 1: in my office or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: But no, I need.

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Speaker 1: I need to hit this head on, Tie, because the

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Speaker 1: discomfort is extremely real right now with with dry winter stuff.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing, and the best thing

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Speaker 1: I can do is turn to turn turned to an

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Speaker 1: expert like you, Ty, So don't ask me.

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Speaker 2: Don't ask me because this house here solid wife Kate,

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Speaker 2: and I'm sure she would not mind me bringing this up.

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Speaker 2: She has a bear of a time with this and

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Speaker 2: is begging me to try and come up with the solution.

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Speaker 2: In the wintertime, we have one of those little humidifiers,

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Speaker 2: you know, to try and like make things better very much.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but that doesn't really like accommodate everything. I

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Speaker 2: have one of those like humidifier pads in the HVAC unit.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that does anything. So it's just right

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Speaker 2: between that and the dogs that are walking around with

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Speaker 2: all their fuzz. This is just sort of like a

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Speaker 2: constant tinderbox of static electricity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it. I totally believe it.

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Speaker 2: Ty.

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Speaker 1: And here's the problem. It is wintertime, it is late February,

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Speaker 1: and it is a dry time for teams looking to

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Speaker 1: get to the NBA for lottery time.

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Speaker 2: Wuck at you.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know what that means. But there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of bad NBA games completely devoid of any juice

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Speaker 1: because teams are looking at tank. That's apparently the thing

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Speaker 1: right now. I don't follow the NBA crazy closely, but

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Speaker 1: that's apparently the big story about how bad NBA games

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Speaker 1: are right now, because that's the strategy of so many teams,

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Speaker 1: is to lose on purpose to give themselves the best

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Speaker 1: odds at the number one, two three pick. Apparently it's

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Speaker 1: a great draft NBA wise, and so I'm sure you'll

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Speaker 1: get into some housekeeping. But that's the inspiration right now,

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Speaker 1: because in these cold months, it's even colder for like

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Speaker 1: twelve fan bases as they're hoping for warmth down the line.

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Speaker 1: But you got to endure a lot of this dry spell.

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Speaker 2: this far, we will not be talking about dry skin

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Speaker 2: on today's episode. I promised you.

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Speaker 1: I don't promise.

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Speaker 2: We have much bigger fish to fry. So on today's episode,

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Speaker 2: shout out to our good friends over at the college

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Speaker 2: football subreddit.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, Like.

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Speaker 2: They've always been super kind and supportive of what we're

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Speaker 2: doing here. For my money, it's like the best source

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Speaker 2: for college football news. I go there like five times

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Speaker 2: a day. I bring this up because this morning I

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Speaker 2: said to you, I read through all eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: sixty six replies to a post that was titled who

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Speaker 2: would you consider the best head coach in your school's history?

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Speaker 2: Who would you consider the worst? Eight hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: six replies, It was very popular. We are not stealing

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Speaker 2: that exact concept, no, but we are going to put

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a different spin on it, which

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Speaker 2: is very much on brand. If you've been here in

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Speaker 2: the verballer hood for any period of time, Yeah, before

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Speaker 2: us today is a list of I think we have

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Speaker 2: the fourteen worst Power four teams in terms of net

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Speaker 2: points per drive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So that's points scored per drive minus points allowed

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Speaker 1: per drive and so, and that doesn't include garbage time.

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Speaker 1: it's not counting all of those drives. But while the

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Speaker 1: we use you know, the Brian Fremo stat it's BCF

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Speaker 2: Should add just as an aside, this is a little

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Speaker 2: but you are very deep in the points per drive Weeds.

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Speaker 2: I'm just not. I just I'm more of an emotional creature. Dan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just a raw Okay, I'm gonna be very

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Speaker 1: careful how I finish this phrasing. Yes, I'm gonna say

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Speaker 2: We've got this list of the fourteen teams. The metric

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Speaker 2: experiment today is to talk through each of them and

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Speaker 2: pick out the best current hypothetical where's my sound? Where

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Speaker 2: is it?

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Speaker 1: I mean you could play the draft the draft jingle too, right?

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Speaker 2: I have that here somewhere. Okay, we are going to

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Speaker 2: pick out the best current hypothetical coach for that school.

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Speaker 1: So yes, So how this works?

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Speaker 1: We don't have a pingpong ball machine here, But we're

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Speaker 1: State in selecting any active FBS head coach correct correct,

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Speaker 2: That's right, yes, And also you can't pick the current coach.

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Speaker 2: I'll play the sound in a moment. Can't pick Eric Morris.

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Speaker 2: just the best in general. That's for us to decide. Yes, correct,

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Speaker 2: Let's start with Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 1: Do we want to reveal the draft order like the

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Speaker 2: We got Oklahoma State, Syracuse, Purdue, Virginia, Tech, UCLA in

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Speaker 2: this is in general. In general, it's been a team

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Speaker 2: Mike Gundy was both the best and worst coach of

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Speaker 1: But his last two rosters finished oh to eighteen in

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Speaker 2: Yes, So this is a program that has I think,

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Speaker 2: Boone Pickens Stadium is I think a great home field advantage.

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Speaker 2: a recruiting ceiling. In recent years. We've seen I think

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Speaker 1: When I take this into consideration, I'm thinking location, I'm thinking,

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Speaker 1: I think it's actually a pretty easy selection here for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm going kurtz Signetty won overall. I'm going in the

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Speaker 2: going to say is easy to win, because right now

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Speaker 2: the way into terms of consistency. ASU is right there.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see what they look like without Sam Levitt.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of quality teams in this conference. But

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Speaker 2: I think in Stillwater I don't worry about Kurt Signetti

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Speaker 2: building a team of transfers to get this team to

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Speaker 2: at James Madison, at Indiana, at Alabama as assistants or

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Speaker 2: a head coach. I just this is a no brainer

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Speaker 2: to me. The most impressive recent coaching name, given history,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Kurt Signetti took.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Signette's the answer, Signette's the only answer.

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Speaker 1: Who you took? Well, yeah, and look, there are gonna

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Speaker 2: And what I like about Signetti is the fact that

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Speaker 1: You put a guy like that in the Big twelve,

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Speaker 2: But the Big twelve, even now more than ever, is

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Speaker 1: The bonus is if and when he were to thrive

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Speaker 2: Now, the only thing that I will add on the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's almost two big twelve. An assignment

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Speaker 1: Number two you can select, not select first, but you

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Speaker 2: All right. Number two is Syracuse. Syracuse and the ACC

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Speaker 2: Fran Brown is at the Helm right now. He's been

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Speaker 1: But accidentally looked like they were tanking after Steve Angelly,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. So I mean it's it's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Ties to the Northeast. Obviously, as you alluded to,

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Speaker 1: you're not playing with elements. You're not I go Ryan

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is Ryan Day a good coach or is Ryan

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Speaker 1: I think both can be true. I think Ohio State

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Speaker 1: He's played in a lot of big games. He's won

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Speaker 2: Let's go to team number three, the per Do boiler Makers. Dan,

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Speaker 2: you're up. Yeah, what do you make of Purdue in

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Speaker 1: Uh, Purdue's tough. They've had some success, it's seemingly with

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Speaker 1: they can find it. At this point, you're gonna hire

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Speaker 1: they'll be thrilled. You find in a coach who has

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Speaker 2: There would be about one hundred and you know thirty

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Speaker 1: I mean, you immediately increase the talent level. This is

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Speaker 1: things quickly. I think he'll be able to find a

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Speaker 1: quarterback quickly. His offensive coordinator hiring has gotten better than

436
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Speaker 1: where it was early on in his career, and I

437
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Speaker 1: think even in a very difficult Big Ten, I think

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Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman could build a roster at Purdue that would

439
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Speaker 1: immediately become bull eligible, and then I think by year

440
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Speaker 1: three would be a legit threat to take down most

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Speaker 1: teams in the Big Ten. And we're talking about flirtations

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Speaker 1: with the playoff at Due in three four years something

443
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Speaker 1: like that.

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Speaker 2: See, I kind of went a different direction. I mean, look, okay,

445
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: Freeman's the right answer for all these teams, Okay, And

446
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,360
Speaker 2: there are a couple of guys that I'm sure we're

447
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 2: going to talk about that you could obviously see them

448
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Speaker 2: fitting it. That is not the point of the exercise.

449
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Speaker 2: I jotted down Josh Hypel okay for Purdue, and I'm

450
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Speaker 2: kind of harkened back to two things that come to

451
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Speaker 2: mind when I think of Purdue a their spoiler maker label,

452
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Speaker 2: at least the old label relied pretty heavily on finding

453
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Speaker 2: an offense that for whatever reason, and this isn't to

454
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Speaker 2: say it was always electric, but for whatever reason, finding

455
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Speaker 2: a way to put an offense out there that the

456
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Speaker 2: other teams in the Big Ten couldn't easily replicate or defend.

457
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Speaker 2: It was a very specific system, very specific, right. Yeah.

458
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Speaker 2: And Hypel has that hyper runs thing. Hyper runs things

459
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Speaker 2: at like a hyper fast speed. He plays super wide

460
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Speaker 2: across the field, tries to stretch you out. It's sort

461
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Speaker 2: of ish a modern spin on the old Joe till

462
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Speaker 2: Er basketball on grass. Yeah. So I think he turns

463
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Speaker 2: Wes Lafayette into kind of a nightmare for opposing defenses.

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Speaker 2: I think he is able, via that offense to out

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Speaker 2: scheme some of the deficiencies they might have on the

466
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Speaker 2: talent side until he's able to build that back up,

467
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Speaker 2: and if nothing more, they would get something in West

468
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Speaker 2: Lafayette that they haven't had in quite some time, and

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Speaker 2: that is actual quarterback development, actual quarterback development. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: I'm like Freeman. I think Freeman's ability to go out

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Speaker 2: there and develop a quarterback TBD.

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Speaker 1: That's true, I mean is internal.

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Speaker 2: I love CJ. Carr. Carr is one of the co

474
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Speaker 2: favorites for the Heisman in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, had a very strong first year, very strong first.

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Speaker 2: Year, but tbd. Yeah, on quarterback development, not so much

477
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Speaker 2: case for Hypel. I'm pretty confident that Josh Hipel develops quarterback.

478
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Speaker 2: He's not that far removed from the general footprint. Right now, Well,

479
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Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Hendon Hooker

480
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Speaker 2: is the success story, right, Sure did not start out

481
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Speaker 2: his career at Tennessee. No, Joey Aguilar had a nice

482
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Speaker 2: year last year, Right, did not start out his career

483
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Speaker 2: that it looks like that's gonna be it regular. Yes,

484
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Speaker 2: his internal guy was Nico. Took him to the playoff

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Speaker 2: that went great.

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Speaker 1: Still there, right, not necessarily a development success story on

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Speaker 1: or off the field, not a fit for Tennessee. Didn't

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Speaker 1: get better over the course of that season. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure you can look at Hypel. You can look at

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Speaker 1: hype system. You can look at Hypel's ability to adapt,

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Speaker 1: given how they've run the ball, the defense that they've built,

492
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Speaker 1: especially when healthy have been strong. He's hired it seems well.

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Speaker 1: And I was hired Jim Knowles at Tennessee. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure you can look at Josh Hypel and be like,

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Speaker 1: that's a quarterback developer from early on in somebody's career.

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Speaker 2: Well, he at least used to be a quarterback. So

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Speaker 2: there's that.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: So there's that.

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Speaker 1: All right, did a good job at UCF.

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Speaker 2: I agree. Next team is Virginia Tech. I struggled with

502
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Speaker 2: this one.

503
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Speaker 1: I did and then I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I struggled with this one. This is a program, the

505
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Speaker 2: old school Beamer ball, and the poll for me was

506
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Speaker 2: do I put Shane Biemer in there because of the

507
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Speaker 2: family connection, but obviously a bit of a defensive heritage there,

508
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 2: playing tough on special teams, winning knife fights. Some of

509
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Speaker 2: those physical fundamentals I think have defined this program over

510
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Speaker 2: the course of my lifetime. Anyway, That's sort of what

511
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Speaker 2: I think of when I think of old school Virginia

512
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Speaker 2: Tech football, and also smart coaching, like can't be good

513
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Speaker 2: on special teams. As good as they were under frank

514
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Speaker 2: Beemer without being really smart about a your scheme and

515
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Speaker 2: B just the discipline special teams above all. Else is

516
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Speaker 2: all about discipline. Agree, and so that side of it,

517
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: to me, I think is what stands out the most recently.

518
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: I think they've been defined by terrible inconsistency on offense recruiting.

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Speaker 2: That's a bigger discussion about recruiting, and I would say

520
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Speaker 2: bigger picture just their relevance in all of this right

521
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Speaker 2: now in the ACC and the College Football Playoff era

522
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Speaker 2: and NIL and the transfer portal. Part of why they

523
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Speaker 2: brought in James Franklin trying to reboot some of that

524
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Speaker 2: now because we've given the answer that we can't take

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Speaker 2: the current coach. My answer here is Jeff Brahm and

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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech. Yes, oh my god, this is your at

527
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Speaker 2: Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 1: I took Kirby smart O, who is arguably the best

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Speaker 1: coach in the game given recent results, both recruiting, building defenses,

530
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Speaker 1: building offenses, hiring assistants. Virginia Tech is East Coast Southern adjacent.

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Speaker 1: He can He'll recruit the hell out of the area.

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Speaker 1: He'll recruit the hell out of the southeast. There's an

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Speaker 1: electric atmosphere in Lane Stadium. I at first I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: well maybe they could. No, no, no, Sometimes you just

535
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Speaker 1: gotta go with what might be the best name on

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Speaker 1: the whole board.

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Speaker 2: Entirely, if you took the easy way out, I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't disrespect you at all for that.

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Speaker 1: It's not the easy way out, it's it's the only

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Speaker 1: way out is hiring the best person who has somewhat

541
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Speaker 1: of a regional tie, has recruited the vague region that

542
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Speaker 1: is the East Coast and south in mid Atlantic whatever.

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Speaker 1: I don't know a single Virginia Tech person who would

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Speaker 1: work for the school, who roots for the team, who

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Speaker 1: would say, Okay, on this side, we've got Jeff brom

546
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Speaker 1: On this other side, we have Kirby Smart.

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Speaker 2: What do you do, Yeah, well you get bram At

548
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Speaker 2: a bit of a discount. If you're comparing them with

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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart, Well they're spending. Virginia Tech is spending. You

550
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Speaker 2: take Kirby they are spending right now. Actually, that's part

551
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Speaker 2: of what James Franklin helped usher.

552
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Speaker 1: In in an easier conference. Nonetheless, build up an NFL defense,

553
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Speaker 1: which you can do at Virginia Tech with lesser head coaches,

554
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Speaker 1: with lesser success, you can build up a top ten

555
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Speaker 1: national defense at Virginia Tech. Now there are different eras whatever.

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Speaker 1: I just if your starting point is you are going

557
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Speaker 1: to attract and develop first round defensive talents, and you

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Speaker 1: could do that without, you know, an elite national championship

559
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Speaker 1: winning head coach, and now you're bringing one in.

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Speaker 2: Come on, can I tell you the reason why I

561
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Speaker 2: picked Jeff Brom.

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Speaker 1: You want to win fewer games, you want your you're

563
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Speaker 1: more humble.

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Speaker 2: Let's sit two choices, are Kirby Smart or Jeff Brom.

565
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Speaker 2: You're gonna take Kirby Smart.

566
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Speaker 1: Well, he's available on your board.

567
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Speaker 2: I just want a little bit of a different direction, Dan,

568
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Speaker 2: I'm in my feels over here. I like Jeff Bram

569
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Speaker 2: a lot. Okay, I think he is a fit for

570
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Speaker 2: a program like this one mm hm. That needs an

571
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Speaker 2: identity because that, to me is what jumps out the

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Speaker 2: most with what we have seen from Virginia Tech over

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Speaker 2: the last I don't know decade. Now, what is what

574
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Speaker 2: is the identity of this We knew what it was

575
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Speaker 2: under Frank Beemer, but what's what's the identity been under

576
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: Brent Pry what will the identity be under James Franklin

577
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Speaker 2: I Jeff Brom. Jeff Brohm is an aggressive play caller.

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Speaker 2: His teams play tough, and his teams almost always punch

579
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Speaker 2: above their weight class. It's not to say he's out

580
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Speaker 2: there winning playoff games, but Jeff Broms teams play hard,

581
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Speaker 2: whistle to whistle, and they're in every game. Yeah, he's

582
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Speaker 2: currently in this conference in the ACC, so he's got

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Speaker 2: some familiarity with it. I look at Virginia Tech. I

584
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Speaker 2: see a school that needs a strong identity. Certainly Kirby

585
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: Smart could give him that, But Jeff Bram's another option

586
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 2: in case they don't got the coin to go out

587
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Speaker 2: there and get Smart, lure him away from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Ty immediately goes and finds a coach who just lost

589
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Speaker 1: to Virginia Tire at Virginia Tech. Okay, I'm trying to

590
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Speaker 1: go outside the box a little bit here. Sometimes the

591
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Speaker 1: box is warm and beautiful tie at all. Okay, but also,

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Speaker 1: you know what your identity is in hiring Kirby Smart

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Speaker 1: at Virginia Tech. Your identity is a team that wins

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Speaker 1: eleven games every year in the ACC.

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Speaker 2: I'm not arguing it against Kirby Smart. I'm just saying, no,

596
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Speaker 2: you took the easy way out with this assignment. It's fine,

597
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: It's okay.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I took the right way out. I got out

599
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Speaker 1: of the maze.

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Speaker 2: Tie team your UCLA Bruins, Dan, you love him, I

601
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Speaker 2: do you love them?

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Speaker 1: I would hire Dan Lanning if I were UCLA in

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Speaker 1: the scenario. West Coast recruiting ties has hired very well,

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Speaker 1: has LA specific recruiting and hiring ties. I think would

605
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: continue to be able to recruit net like UCLA is

606
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Speaker 1: still despite its lack of high high level football success.

607
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Speaker 1: People know UCLA brand. It's a huge brand, huge brand.

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Speaker 1: He is one in the Big ten, and I think

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Speaker 1: he would still be able. I think he would be

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Speaker 1: able to convince money behind the scenes to invest on

611
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Speaker 1: a level that they have not. And I think he

612
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Speaker 1: would still be able to recruit in the way that

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Speaker 1: not necessarily the ceiling he's had at Oregon. But I

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Speaker 1: think he would bring in top ten classes at UCLA,

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Speaker 1: and given where USC is in terms of not quite

616
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Speaker 1: getting to what their aspiration is, I think he would

617
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Speaker 1: immediately turn UCLA into a local power and I think

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Speaker 1: that would be a no brainer.

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Speaker 2: I mean of So much of this exercise is about

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Speaker 2: staying on brand and what Landing contributes to UCLA, and

621
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Speaker 2: the recruiting is obvious that would obviously go without saying.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of staying on brand, they would continue

623
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Speaker 2: not winning big games.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Oregon and Dan Lanning won the entire

625
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Speaker 1: Big Ten in the first year they were there, including

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Speaker 1: a win over the eventual national champion. Yes, no, I

627
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Speaker 1: mean it's true, Okay, I just want that on the record,

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Speaker 1: the win over the national champion before they were the

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Speaker 1: national champion. So is that like a transitive property situation. Well, look,

630
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Speaker 1: they both beat and lost to the national champion in

631
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. They are what is their Big Ten

632
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: record at the moment, I don't know. It's under Dan

633
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: Lane It's incredible?

634
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Speaker 2: Is it?

635
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Speaker 1: Twenty four and one?

636
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: Something like that? Okay, I'm the big one though.

637
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: Okay, Ty, you can participate in rings culture all you want,

638
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: because this is a semi NBA themed podcast. But look,

639
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: if you're saying Dan Lanning or Bob Jesney or whoever

640
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna pick, what are you gonna pick?

641
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: Right now? Matt Ens because he's a better fit. You're

642
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: gonna pick, who are you gonna pick?

643
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Speaker 2: I'm picking James Franklin.

644
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: Brent Brennan was a was an assistant there or what?

645
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: Look, come on, I'm picking James Franklin.

646
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Speaker 1: Oh.

647
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: I actually considered this as well. James frank fills his dream. Yeah,

648
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Speaker 2: James Franklin would love to go to l A. I

649
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: think you would still go to la Uh. James Franklin

650
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: would infuse that program with talent full stop. He would.

651
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Speaker 2: He would, he would get on the recruiting trail, he

652
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: would recruit the hell out of that place, and he

653
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: would relish in the fact that there is a crosstown rival.

654
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: James Franklin wants to be in a big city.

655
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: Sure like Blacksburg, which is part of why I was

656
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: a little bit skittish on that move.

657
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: But whatever, he's there now. I think he would do

658
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 2: a good job, if nothing more, getting talent to UCLA

659
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: and they would be better. They would be better now.

660
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: I like Bob Chesney. I'm not saying he's my answer here.

661
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 2: He can't be my answer here because of the rules

662
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: of the road. But James Franklin, with his track record

663
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: of being a hardcore recruiter, I think would would work

664
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: pretty well here at a place that frankly just needs

665
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: a little bit of a push. Like you said, it's

666
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 2: already got a really good brand, it's already embedded in

667
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: a really solid recruiting pipeline in southern California. There's I

668
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 2: think attractiveness in terms of the market. Right from an

669
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: nil standpoint, there is a big fan base for UCLA,

670
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: so there's a lot going for this program. It just

671
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 2: needs the right guy, I think, to like light the fuse,

672
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: and Franklin could do that.

673
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: And by the way, if he went ten and two

674
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: regularly at UCLA, it's getting a statue right next to

675
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: John Wooden, right next to Wooden.

676
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

677
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: The other name I considered here is a coach who

678
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: I think is better than James Franklin and hard to argue,

679
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: better than Dan Lanning and has experience on the West Coast.

680
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: Would be a fit regionally. I think even though la

681
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: is you know, a big, flashy town and he's not

682
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: a flashy guy, I think that UCLA still flies under

683
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: the raidar on the West Coast in terms of winning

684
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: and in the Big ten, they have not done anything,

685
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: and I think he would immediately turn them into something

686
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: special Kaylin de borr M. That was my other consideration here.

687
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: I think his stock is lower than it deserves to

688
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: be given the body of his work. I understand why

689
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: it is where it is with how Alabama finished this season,

690
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: but totality of his work as both a head coach

691
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: and coordinator and somebody who is you know, hit the

692
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: portal and you know, built winning teams. If you were

693
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to take Caylin to Boor with your pick instead of

694
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: James Franklin, I would have just said, no argument.

695
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I can definitely see that.

696
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: All right, next team, dar roversty West Virginia. What number

697
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 2: is this? West Virginia is number six? We got a number.

698
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: Gotta pick it up, Okay, but.

699
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: You got to pick it up if the show runs

700
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: long or people are either into it or they're not

701
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: at this point, right.

702
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: If you're if you're into it about a half hour

703
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, we're at. Yeah, if you made it this far,

704
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 2: you're probably gonna be with us the rest of the way.

705
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: I can see all the comments and emails coming in

706
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: about your pick for Virginia's Virginia Tech coach. Already whatever,

707
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: it's great.

708
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: Never Ty you're.

709
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: Getting that sweet sweet engagement time. Yeah, you're doing great, great,

710
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: go ahead. Who do you got West Virginia. I want flash,

711
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: I want sizzle, I want excitement, I want combustion. Tie.

712
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: This is who West Virginia is right at their best.

713
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: There is personality in style and recruiting the Southeast. I'm

714
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: taking Lane Kiffin here, okay, Yeah, I'm saying big swing,

715
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: big emotions in Morgantown. I think Lane Kiffin is a

716
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: no brainer here. No, yes, agreed, disagree? Do you have

717
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: do you want to pick at that?

718
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 2: I mean I get the case for Lane Kiffin. Yeah.

719
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: Is the money there in Morgantown to fuel his deepest

720
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: portal desires? Because they're spending I mean that.

721
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Was the only They're bringing in seventy five new players

722
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: a season, so somebody's getting paid. I don't know how much, right,

723
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna say, okay, find me a

724
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: coach who even if initially there's no a ton of money,

725
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 1: find me a coach who can unearth and excavate wins

726
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: with offense. And if you can find offense at West Virginia,

727
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: and if you can go into Florida at West Virginia,

728
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: like rich Rod was able to do on his first

729
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: go run, and that Dana Holgerson was able to do.

730
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: I think there's no reason Lane Kiffin won't be able

731
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: to attract speedy, undersized receivers a quarterback from somewhere like,

732
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: I don't know that, just it feels like a great

733
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: fit to me.

734
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: So here is here is what I am feeling when

735
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 2: I think of West Virginia growing up watching West Virginia

736
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 2: foot I remember like the Pat White era, and the

737
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: thing that I remember the most about West Virginia was

738
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: they just felt really annoying.

739
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah you were we're talking twenty years ago.

740
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty years They were annoyingly good, and they ran

741
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 2: a system that was just different and just it just

742
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: felt like they were so far removed from the mainstream. Yeah,

743
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 2: And I was kind of thinking along those lines when

744
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: I came to a similar conclusion that whoever you pick

745
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: kind of has to have.

746
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: A screw loose, offensive mad scientist. Right at West Virginia,

747
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: Like there's rich Rod holgo lamee, Right, It's just there's

748
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: a rugged chip on the shoulderness. Yeah, of being in

749
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: like the appell actions. I've got Eli.

750
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: Drinkwoitz here I don't hate it. I've got Eli Drinkwoods.

751
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 2: You need somebody who is willing to embrace the culture

752
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: of the institution in the region. I think Eli Drinkwoods

753
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 2: would be a perfect fit for West Virginia. This is

754
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: the state's professional team. Okay, Yeah, So there's a lot

755
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 2: of pressure on this coach, whoever it is, and I

756
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: just think Drink would come in there chip on his shoulder.

757
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: He would do things to ruffle feathers. West Virginia is

758
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 2: still kind of a one off gigraphically speaking, relative to

759
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: the rest of the Big Twelve, right they were when

760
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: they got in the conference. Maybe not as much now

761
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:09,759
Speaker 2: as it has expanded, But I think that's something that

762
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 2: he could play into and do well with.

763
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: Aren't you just taking diet Lane in that case, Like

764
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 1: if you were to weigh Lane versus Drink, I think,

765
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: by the way.

766
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: I think Drink would be there longer. I'm not certain

767
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: that Lane Kiffin would want a West Virginia job to

768
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: be his final stop.

769
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: I agree, But if you're just getting the best of

770
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: this coach for however long three years, five years, two years,

771
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think Lane's ceiling is more

772
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: interesting in the Big twelve than Eli Drinkwitz. Lane has

773
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: beaten bigger teams. And I did check there is hot

774
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: yoga available in the greater Morgantown area, so would feel

775
00:42:59,680 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: at home.

776
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 2: Next next team, Boston College.

777
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: This one I wrote down really quickly.

778
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 2: You did, yes?

779
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: Who'd I wrote down? Kyle Whittingham.

780
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, I could see that.

781
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't expect even though they've had good offensive, if

782
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: not great, offensive players, and obviously Utah has had good,

783
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: if not great, offensive players, this hasn't been a BC

784
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: program that has traditionally succeeded as a killer downfield program,

785
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 1: maybe Matt Ryan era. Notwithstanding that they've built it out,

786
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, the linebacker history, the running back history, obviously,

787
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: the offensive line history. I just think there's a certain

788
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 1: amount of Northeast grit that would be a fit with Wit.

789
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: Didn't mean to rhyme here we are, okay, Northeast grit

790
00:43:54,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: fit with Wit. Yeah, this is me thinking, Okay, he

791
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 1: is going to come in and he will find a

792
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: bunch of three star offensive linemen in the Northeast and

793
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: maybe the Midwest, and he would hire good coaches with

794
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: that kind of footprint and they would immediately be you know,

795
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: kind of Utah East. If they can find the big bodies,

796
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: there'll be an eight win program.

797
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: I wrote down two names. The first is Marcus Freeman.

798
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: So he's still available on your board. So does that

799
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: makes sense?

800
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still available on my board and clearly is

801
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: working within the structure of a very strict academic institution

802
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 2: right now. Kirby Smart's still available on your board, right,

803
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: Kirby Smart's still well, geez all right, we'll throw him

804
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 2: in one of these next couple. Oh so kind Yeah,

805
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: what a generous soul you are that you're going to

806
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: throw Kirby Smart to one of these teams.

807
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

808
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 2: But I think Freeman's familiarity with Notre Dame, He's got

809
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: sort of the national Catholic high school recruiting pipeline thing

810
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: working too, is advantage right now. And again, more to

811
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 2: the point that I brought up with Syracuse is very

812
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 2: much crafting a very physical, tough nose defense and is

813
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 2: using that as the bedrock for the thing. I think

814
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: if you're a place like Boston College, which is also

815
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 2: even more geographically removed from the rest of the conference,

816
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: I think it's imperative that you have that it is

817
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: a tough place to play. So if you can instill

818
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: kind of that hard nose Northeast grittiness as you called it,

819
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 2: you turn them back into a discipline, punishing team on

820
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 2: defense and especially in the trenches. That's what I think

821
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 2: I'm going for with Boston College. That was the first

822
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: name that I wrote down. I was I did for

823
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: a moment think Kirby Smart kind of along those same lines,

824
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: just because I genuinely believe this. If you're a school

825
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 2: that feels like it is separated from the recruiting footprint,

826
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: separated from the epicenter of your conference, you need a thing.

827
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 2: You need an identity, You need something that makes you

828
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: unique and something that you can build around and in

829
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: hopes that, like I said earlier, it gets the critical

830
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: mass and it starts to recruit itself. And so the

831
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 2: version of Kirby that I want is the one that,

832
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: much like Marcus Freeman, builds the very hard nose, rigorous,

833
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: defensive mentality. And we start there and we kind of

834
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: branch out.

835
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: But the only thing I would hesitate with because I

836
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: think Kirby's excellence is unimpeachable pretty much. How energized is

837
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: he to move his family and coach in the northeast, right,

838
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,319
Speaker 1: that fit wise, I think I went about as far

839
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 1: north as I would go with Kirby Smart to Blacksburg, Virginia.

840
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: So he would do a good job if for whatever reason,

841
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 1: he would do a great job. Probably if for whatever

842
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: reason he's like, I want a new challenge, and there's

843
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: just some thing about clam chowder that has my name

844
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: all over it. I'm moving to the greater Boston area,

845
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: Boston College, not in Boston proper. Yes, obviously great coach,

846
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: but I just think you want the best version of

847
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: all of these guys, and so that's why I would

848
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: lean somebody like Whittingham. Well, I already have Kirby.

849
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: Off the board, but yeah, yeah, all right, next one,

850
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,360
Speaker 2: the Wisconsin Badgers.

851
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was an easy one for me, and I

852
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: forgot his name, went back and realized he was still

853
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: on my board, plugged it in and was thrilled about it.

854
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: Hard nose, ground and pound size, awesome, awesome game day

855
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 2: atmosphere that I need to experience in person.

856
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great one I've ever been.

857
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: Everybody raised about Madison built around defense in the past, right,

858
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 2: just very top nosed football, very Midwest. Who are you

859
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 2: picking Okay, so.

860
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: I a lot of guys fit this, A lot of

861
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: guys you could plug in there. Wisconsin is a place

862
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: that multiple coaches have won and have very specific identity

863
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: when they're at their best. I don't think they would

864
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: be able to pass up the opportunity to do a

865
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: reverse Xavier Lucas and go Mario Cristbal in Madison. Now

866
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: I thought, I have Mike Galko still on my board.

867
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: I think he would thrive in Madison. I think absolute.

868
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: Clark Lee is an interesting name.

869
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:33,760
Speaker 1: I think Clark Lee would thrive in Madison.

870
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 2: Clark Lee kind of like embodies that humbleness that I

871
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: think would play really well in the Midwest.

872
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't get over the idea of Mario Cristi Ball

873
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: interviewing with who you know, having Barry alvarezmer and whatever

874
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: in this hypothetical scenario and Mario crist of Ball like,

875
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: let me stop you right there, say less same page, right,

876
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be very unbranded, it was all

877
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: so be Yeah, it would it would definitely be on brand.

878
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: What about somebody like a Brent Venables.

879
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: Tyler van Dyke. I'm trying to think if there's a

880
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: bunch of like weird connections. I think bred Vnable's big

881
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: triffic there. I think I think Brent Venables Again, if

882
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: you're talking about building up Wisconsin, leaning into what they

883
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: can be, and you can find defensive players on all

884
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: three levels, you know, recruiting to Wisconsin, I think he

885
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: would immediately turn them into a threat to win double

886
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: digit games, even in this era and Wisconsin's spending in

887
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: the portal, so I think with their starting point in

888
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: terms of identity, you could find a ton of guys

889
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: who would thrive at Wisconsin. But I would have said

890
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: the same thing about Luke Fickel. So I don't know

891
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: if Wisconsin merely thrived in a divisioned Big ten and

892
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: it's just different now. But I couldn't. I couldn't pass

893
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: up Mario christ of ball and Barry Alvarez, you know, Simpatiico.

894
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: All right, next next team, who did you select? Clarklee?

895
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: I'm going Clarklely, Okay, I don't hate it.

896
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: My next team up here is Stanford.

897
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: I have Elco here, okay, smart school experience, SEC experience,

898
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, Wake and Notre Dame, and like Duke, I

899
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 1: just I think Elco would be able to recruit swimmingly.

900
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: I think he'll be able to manage, you know, success

901
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: with Andrew Luck. I just I think it would be

902
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: a clean, easy fit with Mike Elko obviously acc experience

903
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: at Duke now Stanford, Like, I just think I think

904
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: he would be in terms of how good he's been

905
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: as a head coach, by and large, I think he

906
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: would be such a huge value grab to fall this

907
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: far to Stanford at what nine?

908
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah el COO to me is for.

909
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: My board, no brainer.

910
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: I jotted down crystal Ball for this one.

911
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: I think a fit in terms of style, yes, and

912
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: would recruit would find like big smart kids right to

913
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: put on the cardinal in white. I don't hate it. Personality.

914
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 1: I think you might be able to find other guys

915
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: is the personality. I like Mario Christaball's personality, especially after

916
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: seeing the Kirby smart roast and vice versa and all

917
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: the coaches roasting each other at the Spurrier event. I

918
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: don't hate it. I don't hate it. I think you

919
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: woulducceed there.

920
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 2: I just think back to like the Jim Harbaugh and

921
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: David Shaw teams that were very run heavy, jumbo packages,

922
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 2: that type of stuff like that's that's crystal Ball right there. Sure,

923
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: so that side of it to me. And obviously you

924
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: know there's some West Coast ties given his time at all,

925
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 2: and yeah, he would recruit wherever he is. Crystal Ball

926
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,479
Speaker 2: is the one that I jotted down here. I also

927
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: had a cup of coffee with Kenny Dillingham.

928
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think that's a fit.

929
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: I don't think, which is why I didn't pick it right.

930
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: But I'm trying to pug Dillingham in somewhere because he's

931
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,439
Speaker 2: another guy, Like I know, he's a West Coast guy,

932
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 2: but when we're talking about guys at the screw loose,

933
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 2: I did consider briefly dialing him at West Virginia.

934
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't hate it, but he's a West Coast guy.

935
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: But his coach that you know at Auburn's Florida State,

936
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah he's been around.

937
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, next team.

938
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: Nice little poetry there with Crystal Ball's arguable two most

939
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: embarrassing losses at Oregon to Stanford to Stanford right where

940
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: I think with C. J. Verdell fumbled it as they

941
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: were running out the clock and they lose in overtime,

942
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: and then they lost at whatever they were three and

943
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,520
Speaker 1: nine Stanford team when Joe moorehead had like a health

944
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: emergency before the game. That would have been an Anthony

945
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: Brown Oregon team. I want to say, yeah, I think

946
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: the same team that beat I might good my years run.

947
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 1: I think the same thing team that beat Ohio State

948
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: at Ohio State lost to Stanford. Who's the next school Rutgers.

949
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: This one's tough for me is this Elco? No? I

950
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: took Alco for Stanford.

951
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 2: Oh you just took them? Yes, okay, didn't you?

952
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: Elko is my guy?

953
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, okay, you took Elko. That's right.

954
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: So Rutgers I have James Franklin.

955
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: MM.

956
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: Okay, Northeast will improve the roster. I don't think he's

957
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: getting them near the heights of Penn State ten to

958
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: eleven wins. I think he turns them into a bowl team.

959
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: I think he can find enough players, especially given you

960
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: know the Rutgers proximity to the mid Atlantic region. I

961
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: think he could do just fine at Rutgers and have

962
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: them above where they've been under Greg Ciano.

963
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 2: MM. The problem for me was I just kept thinking

964
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: the answer is Greg Ciano. No, I know. I mean,

965
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: he's the one who I most closely associate you with

966
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 2: Ruckers football. So I I struggled with this one as well.

967
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: I think I eventually settled on somebody like a Shane Beamer.

968
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, okay, because.

969
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: You need some sort of like firecracker when it comes

970
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: to recruiting, or at least instilling a crazy mentality. If

971
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 2: you're going to play college football in the Greater New

972
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 2: York area, like you got to have some sort of

973
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 2: magnetism on the personality side to draw people in.

974
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: So to be clear, you still have not selected Kirby

975
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: Smart or Dan Lanning. Well, we kind of saw Kaylen

976
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: de Boor. Okay, you're just you're just you're a hard

977
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: fit dude.

978
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: I mean sure we can put Kaylen to Boor in Rutgers.

979
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: I just look, we could do you admire you're you're

980
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: you're blazing your own trail here.

981
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: I always do. Shane Biemer was the name I jotted

982
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: down the most.

983
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: You have not selected Ryan Day, Is that correct?

984
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 2: I am not selected Ryan Day.

985
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: You have not selected Steve Sarkisian. You have not selected

986
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: Kaylin de Boord, Dan Lanning, Lane Kiffen, you have not selected.

987
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: No, I'm done with Lane.

988
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: Kyle Whittingham Lincoln.

989
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: Riley Lank can take one of the jobs that's being

990
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: vacated as part of this thought experiment. He can take

991
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: the Tennessee job again. And men's fences.

992
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 1: You have not selected Matt Campbell. You have not selected Matt.

993
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 2: Campbell's great at Penn State. We should keep him there.

994
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 2: Kirk Farence, I'm not going to select Kirk ference.

995
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: You haven't selected Kenny Dillingham, RT Lashley, Mario christ Ball.

996
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: You haven't selected Brett biel I think Brett Bielma.

997
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 2: You didn't select any of these guys either. I know.

998
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the coaches you have selected. Don't

999
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: worry about me. Okay, I took back.

1000
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: I'm taking I'm taking Beamer. What shut up, I'm taking

1001
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: Beamer at Rutgers. Okay, that's fair. Okay.

1002
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: I think who is the one? Who is the guy that?

1003
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: Oh god, I always it's the funniest thing ever the

1004
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: I think it was Seth Greenberg who said, you know,

1005
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: two years away from being two years away? Like I

1006
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,360
Speaker 1: think every time you pick a coach, you select a

1007
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 1: coach on behalf of these schools, they're cutting back to

1008
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: the studio and be like, this guy's out of his mind.

1009
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 2: Next team, I hate this game, Bruno Koboli. Is that

1010
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: his name? Colorado? Colorado? I have dilling hand for Colorado.

1011
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 2: Bruno Kaboklo. Okay, Dialion, here's my answer for Colorado.

1012
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 1: Oh I don't like that. I don't hate that. That's fine.

1013
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know they now that they've broken

1014
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:55,800
Speaker 2: the seal on trying to go for somebody that's different

1015
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 2: than someone who will push the limits and a force

1016
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,479
Speaker 2: of personality, as is the case with Dion Sanders. Kenny

1017
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 2: Dillingham is very much that, and he's actually a better coach.

1018
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: So I would go Kenny Dillingham in a heartbeat at Colorado.

1019
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: Geographically speaking, culturally speaking, I think a lot tracks Let's

1020
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,440
Speaker 2: go dilling him in Colorado.

1021
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: Very good quarterback reputation has recruited the region obviously is

1022
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: credited with some of bow Nick's and Sam Levitt's development,

1023
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: has had has won the conference, so familiarity there, that's

1024
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: where I'm sticking. Kaylen de Bor Okay, I think Kaylen

1025
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 1: de Bor again quarterback West Coast ties, not that Colorado's

1026
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: on the West coast, but regional ties has won everywhere.

1027
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: I would be thrilled if I were a Colorado fan.

1028
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: If I were to call somebody up and say, guess what,

1029
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: Kaylen de Bor is flying to Boulder to take over,

1030
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 1: and you're going to be in great shape. Now, I

1031
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: don't know what the recruiting looks like. I don't know

1032
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: what the portaling looks like. I don't know what their

1033
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: budget looks like moving forward. It's sort of a weird,

1034
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: precarious place right now in terms of roster management and

1035
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: construction to me, but I think Kaylin Debor could maximize

1036
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: whatever he's handed in Boulder. Next team, here's where I'm going.

1037
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin UNC North Carolina. Yeah, Okay, an interesting cultural fit.

1038
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 2: It's not a cultural fit, but it's not any worse

1039
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 2: than Bill Belichick.

1040
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: That's true.

1041
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 2: Historically more of a basketball school has had some success

1042
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 2: on the football side, and frankly needs somebody to come

1043
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 2: in there that is willing to go out and attract

1044
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 2: top portal talent until they can get high school recruiting

1045
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: up to the same level. Okay, And that's what Lane does.

1046
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: That's Lane does. He's gonna put an offense on the field,

1047
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 2: He's going to recruit elite athletes. He's I think got

1048
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 2: the brand needed to elevate North Carolina. That's kind of

1049
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: what they were going for with Belichick, right, they were

1050
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: looking for somebody whose reputation preceded them. Granted, I you know,

1051
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 2: it might take a little bit to get things going,

1052
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: but I think there is definitely going to be as

1053
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: we will find the deeper we get into the twenty twenties,

1054
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 2: as we get near the end of the acc grant

1055
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 2: of rights, you're going to hear more and more steam

1056
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 2: about the value of North Carolina as a program as

1057
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 2: a football entity. And I don't know, maybe this could

1058
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: be a move as a bit of a precursor to

1059
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: a jump down to the SEC or over to the

1060
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: Big ten.

1061
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 1: Okay, I took stark here. Okay, I could see that

1062
00:59:57,880 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: as Kiffin and Sarco sort of hand in hand with

1063
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: their history. We're sort of repaving the Texas North Carolina

1064
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: pipeline with mac Brown. The best of North Carolina over

1065
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 1: the years has been exciting offense. He'd be able to

1066
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: find a top flight quarterback, as North Carolina has had

1067
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: very good quarterbacks over the last you know, ten, fifteen,

1068
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: twenty years, could find receivers. It would very much play

1069
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: into what North Carolina has done especially well and what

1070
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: you can find. I would take Sark there, and I

1071
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: considered Hypel here, who's still on my board, for much

1072
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 1: of the same reason. I don't know. I'm going Sark here. Experience,

1073
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: you know has been at Texas USC. I think there's

1074
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: similar type school experience.

1075
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: On a certain level. So I'm going Sark Next team

1076
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: Florida Gators. Yeah, Florida Gators.

1077
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: Good enough for Dan Landing or Kirby Smart. Yet, are

1078
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: you like I'm going Bob Chesney, listen, shut up for

1079
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: a sub shut up, shut up for a second.

1080
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Speaker 2: How many times on this show, on this show have

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Speaker 2: you been over on that end of the conversation, talking

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Speaker 2: through and even stoking the flames a little bit on

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Speaker 2: you know, Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart might not be coaching

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Speaker 2: in five years.

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Speaker 1: I agree, But.

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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart signaled to some people closest to him that maybe,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is not like a long term Nick

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Speaker 2: Saban type of thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not really hiring these coaches for these schools.

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Speaker 1: That just next I know, I have to I have

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Speaker 1: to use my arms like this to get people, I know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's what That's why I've been a little

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Speaker 2: bit hesitant on Kirby smart great coach. I want Dan

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Speaker 2: Lanning at Florida. I want Dan Lanning.

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Speaker 1: I think that's great.

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Speaker 2: Dan Lanning would recruit the hell out of Florida. Got

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Speaker 2: a bunch of built in recruiting advantages. He wouldn't just

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Speaker 2: limit his recruiting to Florida or the Southeast. He would

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Speaker 2: do at Florida like he has done at Oregon and

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Speaker 2: recruit the whole damn us of a bring the best

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Speaker 2: talent in. They would pay. He would have that defense

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Speaker 2: hungry and ferocious and bring in a ton of talent

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01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: otherwise on offense to jumpstart that thing in a millisecond. Sure,

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Speaker 2: and there's a reason that Dan Lanning's name came up

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Speaker 2: for quite literally every high profile coaching opening. I'm sure

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Speaker 2: Florida kicked the tires on him as well. But in

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Speaker 2: this alternate universe, I go Dan Lanning at Florida.

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Speaker 1: But okay, I'm not going to belabor the Jeff brom

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01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: But okay, I think you're right. I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I think he would thrive there. I think he'd do

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Speaker 1: a great job there. I think it's a seamless fit.

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Speaker 1: I just him falling on this board due to other people. See,

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Speaker 1: you treated this like a draft. You're playing the draft

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Speaker 1: jingle every two and a half minutes.

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Speaker 2: The only sound I have. You're treating this like a draft,

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Speaker 2: and I am treating this. I'm more of a seasoned

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Speaker 2: hr professional, Dan, I see.

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Speaker 1: And those are the most.

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Speaker 2: Personality traits and cultural fit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but I applied a level

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Speaker 2: of nuance to this that I think is above your pay. Great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure West Virginia fans

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Speaker 1: are thrilled that you've given them. What did you say

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Speaker 1: over over, Dan Lanning? Okay, I'm they're pumped. Florida. I

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Speaker 1: have Kenny Dillingham for much of the reasons you said.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that would obviously work Florida. Kenny Dillingham quarterback reputation,

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Speaker 1: should be able to recruit big personality in a place

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Speaker 1: that I think treasures big personalities. I think he would

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Speaker 1: compete pretty quickly. I think their ceiling would be pretty high.

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Speaker 1: It's obviously a jump up in terms of prestige and size,

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Speaker 1: all due respect to a s U, but I think

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Speaker 1: it would be a welcome fit there.

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Speaker 2: How do you think he would deal with like toxic

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01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 2: expectations in Gainesville. I think that would make for some

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Speaker 2: awesome pressers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, we had an all time, all time

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Speaker 1: coach win on the highest level in Gainesville and then

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01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: went down with cardiovascular issues because of the pressures in Gainesville.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody's really dealing with being an

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Speaker 1: incredible coach and any of these places in any sort

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Speaker 1: of healthy way. But that's the sport we chose.

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Speaker 2: Michigan State. Pat Fitzgerald, Okay, show over, thanks for listening

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Speaker 2: for that, lof can we talk for a second about

1145
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Speaker 2: how neither one of us likes Pat Fitzgerald go into

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Speaker 2: Michigan State. Oh, I think it's going to go terribly Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I really don't like this same I just I really

1148
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:54,480
Speaker 2: don't like this, and it's causing me to question my

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01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,479
Speaker 2: own logic because most of the time I like every hire.

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01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,400
Speaker 2: I think I am tracted to the novelty of a

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01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: new coaching hire, like, oh, that's that's a fit I

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01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: didn't necessarily see, or a situation that feels different, and

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01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 2: you know, why wouldn't it work? This is one that

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01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:13,600
Speaker 2: I feel very confident and have felt very confident right

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01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 2: from the jump that No, this is not going to

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01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 2: work at all, right, I just don't like it. So

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01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 2: this could be a real question that we have to

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 2: ask ourselves at some point in the very near future.

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01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 2: Michigan steak, can they go out? Can they get a

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01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 2: big fish? I want to hear your answer first, but

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01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: I have one here. You've been giving me crap for this,

1162
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: but I have a very obvious answer for this one.

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Speaker 2: But you go first.

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Speaker 1: I thought mine was too and I leaned into fit.

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01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: But also somebody who has had a good level of

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Speaker 1: success recently who I think, you know, if he could

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Speaker 1: win at the place he's currently at, he could definitely

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Speaker 1: win in East Lansing. Sure, So my answer is Brett Beeloma. Okay,

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01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: my answer is Brett Byelma. I think culturally, I think

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Speaker 1: in terms of identity, I think in terms of comfort.

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Speaker 1: I considered Kirk Farens here as well, which.

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Speaker 2: And what that might be worse than Pat Fitzgerald.

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,560
Speaker 1: Kirk Farence kirk Ferns, who does nothing but win between

1174
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 1: eight and ten games at IOWA with limited to no offense.

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Speaker 2: This is to Michigan State, hold on, hold on, per

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01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: your metrics here, This is a team that had the

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Speaker 2: fourteenth worst points per drive correct, which means that we

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Speaker 2: know they didn't play any offense, or they didn't play

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Speaker 2: a defense, and offensively they weren't doing enough to make

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Speaker 2: up the difference. Presumably people in East LANSI would like

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Speaker 2: to see a little bit of a more stable offense

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Speaker 2: than what I think they would get out of a

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Speaker 2: Kirk Farence team.

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Speaker 1: I took Brett Bielima. To be clear, I'm saying I

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: considered Kirk Farence consider I don't know how you would

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Speaker 1: consider Kirk Farens anything less than one of the best

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Speaker 1: coaches in the country, given longevity and the ability to

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01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: win with a hand hid behind his back.

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Speaker 2: I like Kirk Ferrence. I'm just saying, why hire somebody

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Speaker 2: who you know is going to come in with a

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01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: hand tie behind their back. What's the point of that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Do you like winning nine games a year?

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Speaker 1: It seems like a good thing.

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Speaker 2: I did, Parklee. Did you pick Bretten? No, like you're

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Speaker 2: going to take ference over those guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to take a Michigan State coach that I

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Speaker 1: felt feel like would be a better fit, and I

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Speaker 1: think I think Brett Bielima on my board with what

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Speaker 1: his ceiling could be in East Lansing. I love Brent Vnables,

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Speaker 1: I love Clarkly. I think these are very strong coaches.

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Speaker 2: Could have taken Matt Campbell be a decent name here.

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Speaker 1: He's already turned them down, so I don't think he's

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01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: going to be super energized if I were to assign

1204
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Speaker 1: him here.

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Speaker 2: Allegedly.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm looking at other names here.

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Speaker 2: There's two very obvious ones for this.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of names that I think would make

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01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 1: Like I think Klanie Sataki would succeed at Michigan State.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I don't. There's two answers, okay, okay. One is

1211
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 2: a guy that I saved for this one, and that's

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01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 2: Kalin de Bor Okay. Because you may recall there were

1213
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: plenty of rumors about Debor going to Michigan, not Michigan State,

1214
01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 2: but a general familiarity with the region. Clearly knows how

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01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 2: to put an offense on the field, and has won

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01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 2: everywhere he's been. That's the first. The second one for

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01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:42,200
Speaker 2: me is Lance Leipold. I think that's too ordinary, is it? Yeah?

1218
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 2: Because when you set this up and you were talking about, well,

1219
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: he's won at the place that he's at right now,

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Speaker 2: and if he can win there, he can win here.

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01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 2: I thought you were talking about Lance.

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01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: Lightpol I think he would be a fine higher for

1223
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: Michigan State in real life, but given this exercise that

1224
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:01,720
Speaker 1: it exists in the app distract, I think we're just

1225
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,719
Speaker 1: dealing with a bigger realistic pool.

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01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if we're dealing in the abstract, why

1227
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,640
Speaker 2: don't we just put Saban back in Michigan.

1228
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 1: State because the rules of the game dictate that it's

1229
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: active head coaches. I think there's a lot of guys

1230
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: that are still on the boat, like Brent Prye, I

1231
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: think would do Grant at Michigan State.

1232
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: Brent Prye.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, Brent Key. I always screw up my Brents.

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 2: Brent Keyna say you're gonna give me, You're gonna give

1235
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: me a hell for Jeff Bram.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna gory. Okay, you know I screw up my

1237
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: brentertainment all the time. Sure, yeah, I guess, see, Brent Key,

1238
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Speaker 1: I think Michigan State.

1239
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: I thought maybe brank heated Rutgers would be interesting, But

1240
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 2: I don't hate it, see Brent Key, I don't I

1241
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 2: don't hate that.

1242
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 1: I really wanted to. Sorry. So who is your pick

1243
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 1: for Michigan State? It's the bar the boor, Yeah, it's

1244
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: the Boar. Yeah, I think he fell too far. I

1245
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: think Michigan State would be thrilled to have him. I

1246
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:00,640
Speaker 1: think he could succeed there. But I have a lot

1247
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: of a lot of very obvious problems with your your

1248
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 1: draft board. Here's the only one you don't like is Brahm.

1249
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 2: I just told you what. The other ones I.

1250
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: Don't think drink should be as highly considered as you've

1251
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,840
Speaker 1: put them. Who else did I not like here? Who

1252
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 1: did you have at Rutgers? I don't know, doesn't matter,

1253
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: I think Okay, I think I had Beamer Rock Yeah. Yeah,

1254
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,120
Speaker 1: I would't have Shane Beemer there. I think Rhet Lashley

1255
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: deserved more consideration and conversation from us.

1256
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: Definitely. Yeah.

1257
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 1: I had Kirk Ference in the back of my mind

1258
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: for a couple of these jobs, just because I think

1259
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 1: he would raise the floor pretty quickly at a lot

1260
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 1: of these places I see.

1261
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 2: I think Ference is the worst pick that either of

1262
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 2: us is given throughout this entire exercise.

1263
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: Definitely disagree the definitely disagree.

1264
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 2: The worst pick is ference.

1265
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 1: How was he the worst pick?

1266
01:10:59,120 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: Is the worst pick?

1267
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 1: All he does is win games without offense?

1268
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 2: Is that what you want?

1269
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: You want to hire ns? I want wins.

1270
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 2: You want to hire a novelty.

1271
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: Think about it's not a novelty. He's been around, He's

1272
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 1: the Dean Tie. He's not flashing the pan. You know

1273
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: what you're getting with him, and you're getting wins.

1274
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 2: You're getting punts and boring offense.

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01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: No, the answer is no, their offense has improved.

1276
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 2: Tie.

1277
01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: This is an irreviewable fact. The offense has improved.

1278
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 2: It did get better.

1279
01:11:26,560 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: I considered Lincoln Riley for North Carolina. I think Lincoln

1280
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 1: Riley also considered for North Carolina.

1281
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: I think I think a Riley considered North Carolina for

1282
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: a minute.

1283
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: I did not consider Dabbo for any of these jobs.

1284
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: Given we're doing this in twenty twenty six, we have

1285
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: Crystal Ball in there. I'm looking at some other like

1286
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: Klonie Satakia. I considered for some of these jobs.

1287
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 2: Jedfish considered all of these jobs.

1288
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 1: Jedfish. I consider Joey Maguire for some of these jobs,

1289
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: but it's hard to separate him given his limited history

1290
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,960
Speaker 1: coaching the sport and limited history is like finishing with

1291
01:11:58,320 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: a ranked team just being this year.

1292
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 2: You know who I consider for Michigan State. And I

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Speaker 2: quickly talk myself off this ledge because there were some

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Speaker 2: bigger names available. To your point that you've been journing

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Speaker 2: on and on about, I did consider PJ. Flack for

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Speaker 2: Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: Did not consider him.

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Speaker 2: I did consider it because you know, it was very

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Speaker 2: successful at Western Michigan before the run. Now at Minnesota

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Speaker 2: did not go in that direction. But if we're being honest,

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Speaker 2: this is a show about honesty. I did consider Flesh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. Look, I think by and large, we

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Speaker 1: did this show and I did a great job. The

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Speaker 1: commenters will weigh in. Yeah, let people will the science.

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Speaker 2: In the comment in the YouTube comments, the Spotify comments, emails,

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Speaker 2: social media, anywhere you can provide the feedback. We want

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Speaker 2: to know, singularly, what was the worst pick in this episode? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and I've been the answer joke Brahm at Virginia Tech. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: give yoursel off them all again and come back over

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Speaker 2: the top with Kirk Farren's at Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't my pick. That was, like I said, it's

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Speaker 1: a consideration. My pick was Brett Bielama the damage you

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Speaker 1: just caused to the Virginia Tech Psyche and Jeff Bram

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Speaker 1: is a fine coach. Okay, I will yeah, yeah, let

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Speaker 1: us know in the in whatever however you engage with

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Speaker 1: the show. And I'm I'm excited.

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Speaker 2: You're just going big game hunt, You're you're playing for names, man,

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Speaker 2: I'm playing for wins.

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Speaker 1: Playing for wins. Did Eli drink Witz have a win

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Speaker 1: over a team with a winning record last season? I

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Speaker 1: don't know, but he looked at Bo Pribuel and was like,

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Speaker 1: that's my guy. Okay, Oh my gosh. February content, this

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Speaker 1: is what you get. I had a great time this episode.

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Speaker 1: To be clear, I did too.

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Speaker 2: I did too. It'll be marched next week already, which

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Speaker 2: is crazy. Hopefully we get some warmer weather around these parts,

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Speaker 2: things will start perking up. We'll start talking springball and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: A lot of news too that we still have to address.

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Speaker 2: You did mention Joey Agilar earlier, but we still didn't

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Speaker 2: really go into detail about Trinidad Chambliss. There is now

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Speaker 2: apparently going to be a lawsuit filed on behalf of

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Speaker 2: Chandler Morris to try and get Year seven, which is

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Speaker 2: interesting because there are now both Bo Prabula and Eli

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Speaker 2: Holstein at Virginia. So there's that side of things that

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Speaker 2: we need to cover. There's stuff's been around college football

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Speaker 2: that we do need to take a bit of a

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Speaker 2: knee and discuss, but we'll do so on one of

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Speaker 2: our upcoming episodes. Again. Soloverbl at gmail dot com is

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Speaker 2: the email, or you can go out to the website

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Speaker 2: quick on the contact us form and send in your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Of course, social media anywhere you can leave a comment.

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Speaker 2: All that stuff's appreciated. And if you made it to

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Speaker 2: list out your draft list, out your draft right, you

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Speaker 2: made it this far, let us know where we were right,

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Speaker 2: where we were wrong, and please hit fallow or subscribe.

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Speaker 1: I agree, definitely agree. You're one of us.

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Speaker 2: You are one of us. If you made it an

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Speaker 2: hour and fifteen into this, oh that was great, let

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Speaker 2: us know. Let us know. I will be watching carefully

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Speaker 2: to see what kind of comments come into this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like an aj hawk.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for that guy over there, My good friend,

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Speaker 2: Dan Rubenstein, still my good friend even after all this.

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Speaker 2: Oh for myself, Ty Hillebrant, thanks again for Downwanie, for listening,

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Speaker 2: for supporting have a good weekend. We'll catch you on

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Speaker 2: the flip sides, they saw peace,