1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: day M paranormal podcast network. Now get ready for another 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: episode of Shades of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts and 5 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:19,159 Speaker 1: opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of I 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast a out 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. You 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. Hi, I'm 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been on 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: a journey to prove the existence of life after death. 12 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know 13 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical death and so 14 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: will we welcome to share aids of the afterlife. Several 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: times in the past I've loaded the episodes with stories 16 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: of people just before they pass and they have someone 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: visiting them at their bedside, or stories of near death experiences. 18 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 1: And I thought, today you can meet a hospice nurse 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: and not only hear some stories of why she believes, 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: but I think it's also important to talk about some 21 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: of the more sensitive things. I don't know if you 22 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: have a loved one who died suffering like I did 23 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: with my dad. I don't know if you've had experiences 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: with the warm and wonderful people of hospice and what 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: can be done for a loved one. I don't know 26 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: if you have someone in your life who passed by 27 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: their own hands and took themselves out of life. I 28 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: think it's important to give evidence of the afterlife, but 29 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: I also think it's important to give some instruction and 30 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 1: knowledge and things to ex backed and about living life. 31 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: And we are all going to face that final breath, 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: and it is my prayer for all of us that 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: we know what to expect, we know loved ones will 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: come and be with us. I think all that is 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: so important, and that we really do get our money's 36 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: worth out of life while we're here now, I really do. 37 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: So today I want to introduce you to Alyssa L. Chokichi. 38 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: She has worked in hospice and palliative care as a 39 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: nurse and worked with the dying and the bereaved for 40 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: over thirty years. She's also an author, has written four books. 41 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: She's taught a life afterlife graduate seminar on Near death 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: Studies at Hood College in Maryland, and she's filled with information. 43 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: You can find out more about her at Miraculous moments 44 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: dot com. Alyssa, A warm welcome to you. Thank you 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: so very much. Sandrad's that way to be here with you, Alyssa, 46 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: it's a joy to be with you too. Can you 47 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about you? It takes a 48 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: very special person to pick hospice and palliative care for 49 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: a career, but I'm sure something happened, and something happened 50 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: to have you investigate the afterlife. Will you tell us 51 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about your story? Well, I I love 52 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: work as a hospice nurse as I really feel that 53 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: it's probably the area we can impact people the greatest 54 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: in the sense of actually seeing the difference of what 55 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 1: you do in their lives. And it's not about like 56 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: we know they're going to pass, however, our goal is 57 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: to maximize the quality of their time here until they do, 58 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: and so it's helping them in lots of different ways. 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: You know. Some of it is like physical you know 60 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: medications or you know symptom management or whatever. There's also 61 00:03:55,080 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: this spiritual piece and I love that about hospice hospital 62 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: is very holistic. So it's part of my job as 63 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: a hospice nurse to address that spiritual side when it 64 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: is needed. And so we'll just say that's what I 65 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: love about in particular. Now, I would say it was 66 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: really a personal experience I had that absolutely convinced me 67 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: beyond anything I know in this world that there is 68 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: life after death. And this happened to me when I 69 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 1: was twenty three years old. I was a brand new 70 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: nurse and my eldest cousin who I grew up with, 71 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: um Stephan was I actually grew up with money and 72 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: I lived with them, My brother and I lived with 73 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 1: them in Knoxville, Tennessee for nine years and he was 74 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: tragically killed in a car accident. And what happened with 75 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: him and me two weeks later is what convinced me. 76 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: So what I want to say is he came to 77 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: visit me, and it was in the early morning hours. 78 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: I wasn't quite awake. I wasn't I wasn't asleep. It 79 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: was more real than anything I know. I can tell 80 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: you a hundred percent, it was not a dream, because 81 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: the colors and the experience were brighter than anything in 82 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: this reality. The emotions that I felt were intensified like 83 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: way way way more so, like if I was sad, 84 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I was almost in despair, or if I was happy, 85 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: I was like jumping over the moon with ecstasy. So 86 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: I pivoted between the highs and lows of emotion, which 87 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: doesn't normally happen in my in my everyday life. But 88 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: I can as clearly remember it today and now it's 89 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: been like thirty eight years. So the experience started when 90 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 1: I was in the woods. We played in the woods 91 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: a lot, and I'm looking all around and the leaves 92 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: are like so brilliant green, beyond what you can imagine. 93 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,559 Speaker 1: And there is this dirt road, overgrown dirt road that's 94 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: running in front of me, and I glimpse something's coming 95 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: to me from the right. So I look over to 96 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: my right and down come through on this dirt road 97 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: through the woods is this brilliant, stark white unicorn. Now 98 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: you're gonna say the unicorns are not real. It doesn't matter. 99 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: This is what I thought too, yeah to myself and 100 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: the experience, But it whisks right by me and off 101 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: down the woods. I go running down this dirt path 102 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: after the unicorn and Eventually the unicorn brings me to 103 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: the edge of the woods. Straight in front of me 104 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: is my cousin, Stephen, and I cannot believe my eyes 105 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: because he had died, but yet there he was Cannon. 106 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: I run up to him and I grab him and 107 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: I hug him. Oh my god, stuff, and you're alive. 108 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 1: You're alive, You're alive. And you know, he said, of 109 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: course I'm a lot, Alyssa, of course I'm alat. And 110 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: the other thing is I could physically feel him in 111 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: my arms. And when do you like feel in a dream? 112 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: I mean, but I fully embraced him. But then all 113 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: of a sudden I remembered in that car accident he 114 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: actually had learns of his body. And you know what, 115 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: as a nurse, I did a rotation through Shriner's Burn 116 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: Institute in Boston for children, and I remember just those 117 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: dressing changes for those poor little kids. And I remember thinking, 118 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, a Lissa, how could you forgot he 119 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: was burned? And I You've just squeezed the day on 120 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: side of him, Like what a heck? You're done right, 121 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: So now I think I've heard him. So my tears 122 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: of joy go to tears of shame. And now I'm apologizing. 123 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm like stuff and stuff, and I am so sorry. 124 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to hurt you. And he's just looking 125 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: down him, he smiling, and he's like, Alyssa, it's all right, 126 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't hurt anymore. Seven I said, where are your glasses? 127 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: Because we all were glasses, all my cousins and I 128 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: and brother, and he goes, listen, I don't need glasses. 129 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: I can see. I'm like, oh my god, he's alive. 130 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: He's fulely killed and he's got twenty twenty vision. So 131 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, Stepan. And I'd stepped back 132 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: and suddenly this camera appears in my right hand, I said, Stephan, 133 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: I said, I just want to take a picture because 134 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 1: I want to remember this moment for all of eternity. 135 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: And so you know, eventually he finally agrees to let 136 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: me take his picture, and I go to snap the picture, 137 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: and then the whole dreamlike experience ended. That whole sequence 138 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: wasn't a dream, but that experience ended. And of course 139 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: it ended because Kodak paper, which is what we had 140 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: back in those days, right, Kodak paper, couldn't ever captured 141 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 1: the spiritual significance of what happened to me with Stephen, 142 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,599 Speaker 1: because when I came to my full awareness, my full consciousness, 143 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: I knew to my core that my cousin was alive, 144 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: totally healed, happier and more at peace than I ever 145 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: knew him in this life, and it healed my grief. 146 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: And a dream doesn't heal your grief, but to my core, 147 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: I knew he was alive. And so that was I 148 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: was twenty three years old. I didn't find myself working 149 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: as a hospice nurse until like I was thirty three 150 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: thirty four, and that's when I really felt like the 151 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 1: huge impact because now I could go into homes and 152 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: help patients who were given a life limiting illness, or 153 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: their their caregivers who are facing this loss of this 154 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: most precious person in their life, and be able to 155 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: be fully present, like they're gonna be okay. You're gonna 156 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: be okay, you're gonna be totally health and better than 157 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 1: you ever know. Experiences like that alyssa are so rare, 158 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: but they're so wonderful, and if you haven't had one, 159 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: no one can convince you it's not the real thing. 160 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: I remember lying down to take a nap and I 161 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: was still awake, and all of a sudden, I heard 162 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: this piano music so loud, and then right in front 163 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: of my face was my grandmother alive and real, real, 164 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: And my conscious mind just kicked in like, oh my gosh, 165 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 1: it's Grammy, and it disappeared, but I was still awake. 166 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: You know, these experiences are so vivid, so real, you 167 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: can remember them better than any dream or any memory. 168 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: That's something that people who experience the near death experience say, 169 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: it's so clear, more clear than anything they remember. It 170 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: feels like it when I talk about the near death experience, 171 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: what people people go through and how trans warms their life. 172 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: This definitely was life changing. You know. Again, you kind 173 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: of put it, you know, you kind of keep going 174 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: on with your life, and and lots of things have 175 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: happened over the years that confirmed it. So I would 176 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 1: say when I went into hospice and I felt the 177 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: need of people desperate need to know that their loved 178 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: ones were going to be okay, I couldn't obviously share 179 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: it with everybody. I couldn't share with many people actually 180 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: what happened with me, because the time has to be right, 181 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,559 Speaker 1: number one. Their belief system has to be right, you 182 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: have to have the time, you know, you start talking 183 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: about unicorns of like, oh my god, sorry, that's just 184 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: where my money also had. You know, there were lots 185 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: of responsibilities that I had, and God would just absolutely 186 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: orchestrate me where I needed to be, and I would 187 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: feel an inter prompting. I would know when I was 188 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: called to say something to a particular or a patient, 189 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: but usually the family member. And then if I followed 190 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: that inner knowing that that intuition, then I would find 191 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: out that because I went out on a limb and 192 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: said something, they might turn around and share something with 193 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: me that perhaps they never told another person on the planet, 194 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: no one else, and the only reason they shared it 195 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: with me is because they knew I was going out 196 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: and I would not criticize them or judge them in 197 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: any way. So this is some valuable advice we can 198 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: all take. Any time you can become vulnerable and share 199 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: with somebody your story, as weird as it may be. 200 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: That leaves them an opening to be able to share 201 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: with you their stuff, And what a gift that is. 202 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: To listen. So we'll be right back with more of Alyssa. 203 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I 204 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a paranormal podcast network. 205 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain 206 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: and we are with Alyssa L. Chokachi, hospice nurse, author 207 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: and so much more. Alyssa, what other stories do you 208 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: have for us, maybe from your experience that let you 209 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: really know that life after death is real? Well, I'd 210 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: also like you just mentioned something that I discovered in hospice. 211 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: Do you know that it is common for someone who 212 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: is dying to be visited by deceased loved ones in 213 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: the last days or weeks of life. Yes, absolutely, Yes, 214 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: It's quite fascinating. You could walk into a room. No 215 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: one else is in the room that you can see anyway, 216 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: but they could be having a conversation with someone and 217 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: it is a it's a two way conversation. Uh huh. Yeah. No. 218 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 1: They often will speak in symbolic terms, like in metaphors. 219 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: They'll talk about like you know, I'm going home, but 220 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: they don't mean their physical home, they mean their spiritual home. 221 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Or pack my bags, you know, get me ready, you know, 222 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm going on a trip rom and whatever the dying 223 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: I really do feel in my heart enter a heightened 224 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: spiritual state in those last days or for weeks of life, 225 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: and I feel that they have a foot in both worlds. 226 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: They're partly here, they're partly there. And I think they may, 227 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: even consciousness wise, go back and forth, because sometimes you 228 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: walk in and you'll see them kind of jump, and 229 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: it's like and they may be a little confused and see. 230 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: I think they can see things that we can't see. 231 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: And one patient of mine, who was really a sweetheart 232 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: of a lady, great teacher for me, was well. I 233 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: actually saw her twice over a period of time. The 234 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: first time it was just an ordinary visit. I was 235 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: doing a visit for another nurse, and this lady was 236 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: still up and about. She had colon cancer, but she 237 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: was still walking a mile every day because you know, 238 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: around the block, because she was not going to give 239 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: into her cancer. And she was feisty and fun. You 240 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: would have loved her. And uh. And I just remember 241 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: to myself saying, remember saying to myself, Yeah, I'm going 242 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: to remember her. She just she's what I want to be. 243 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: You know. It's like dirt. I don't want to be 244 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: like her. I'm not giving it. And then, but you know, 245 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: time passes. We'll just say six months, nine months. I'm 246 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: not exactly sure how how long it was that. Now 247 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: I'm on call for hospice and I get a call 248 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: from one of her two daughters and says, can you 249 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 1: please come check my you know, my mom or mom 250 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: because she seems a little distant. Uh. So I go 251 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: and and now there's a very different lady, you know, 252 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: than than what I saw. And now she's bed bound. 253 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: She's in a hospital bed, but she's very peaceful looking, 254 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: which is not to say that not everyone is that 255 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: she has an unusual quality about peacefulness about her that 256 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I haven't often seen. So but I go in and 257 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: I asked her questions and well, I'm calling her eleanor 258 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: just that's not a real name, but you know, I 259 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: said Eleanor you know, uh, you haven't any pain? And 260 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: she's like no, and she just says a smile, Is 261 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, any any any concerns? No? And you know, 262 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: I check her vital signs and everything's okay. I mean, 263 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: I every nothing's telling me she's gonna die tonight. You know, 264 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: she's you know, but she's definitely in a different place. Uh. 265 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: And one of the things that that I do do 266 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: is they kind of separate from this reality. It isn't 267 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: a conscious decision, it's more of an inner journey that 268 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: they take. It doesn't mean that they don't love those 269 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: loved ones around them, they surely do, but it's now 270 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: they're preparing and um, so they know they're not interested 271 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,840 Speaker 1: in watching the TV or reading the newspaper anymore. Having 272 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: those conversations, it tends to be a very quiet time. 273 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: So she didn't offer a lot, you know, she answered 274 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: my questions and smiled every time, clearly not in any 275 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,640 Speaker 1: pain at all. And I, you know, I went out afterwards, 276 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: told her daughters that I felt like she was in 277 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: the beginning stages, the beginning stages of actively dying, and 278 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: did the preparation I needed to do with them, and 279 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: then went back when more time to her. And one 280 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: thing I had, just my own little personal thing, is 281 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: before I leave a home, I like to know that 282 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: I've done something to make it better there for that patient. 283 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: But this woman didn't need any intervention on my part. 284 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: She was perfectly comfortable. But yeah, and I knew I 285 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: had prepared to daughters was so important. But still so 286 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: I come back to you know, are you are you 287 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: you know? Do you have any pain? And she says oh. 288 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: And I said are you afraid at all? And I mean, 289 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: I don't always go here, but there was really nothing 290 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: for me to do. And I said, are you afraid 291 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: at all? And she said no. And I never had 292 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: said it before, and I never had said it, have 293 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: said it since, but in this particular situation, this is 294 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: one of those where I followed my inner prompting right. 295 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: So I said, um, well, if you ever do get afraid, 296 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: I said, just look for the light. And she says, oh, 297 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 1: I do, And I said you do and she says, 298 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: all the time. You remember that her daughters had told 299 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: me she was in this state for like two or 300 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,400 Speaker 1: three days, this very distant state. So I said, Eleanor, 301 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: what does the light feel like? She said, it's very 302 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: warm and comforting and it lets me know there's nothing 303 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: I have to worry about. Wow. And I'm like, oh 304 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: my gosh. And I said, Elma, what is delight? She said, 305 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: it's God's love for me. There was no fear, and 306 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: she smiled, her eyes sparkled. She was peaceful, she had 307 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: been peaceful. Wouldn't it be something if everybody knew that. 308 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's nothing to be afraid of. The more 309 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: we talk, as you know, the more you learn, don't 310 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: you Like everywhere you go and you open up and 311 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 1: they tell you something, and it's like one more Oh, yes, 312 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: thank you. I just keep saying thank you God, thank 313 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: you God, thank you God, because it's one more affirmation. 314 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: It's one more affirmation. You talk to the people who 315 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: have had the near death experiences, right, their lives, likes 316 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 1: you said, are changed or changed or ever, and they 317 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 1: know they lose their fear of death. Now, if anybody 318 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: ought to be afraid of death, and the people who died, 319 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: it was like hard stopped, the breathing stopped, if there 320 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: was a reason to be afraid. But they're just like 321 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: transformed by that experience they had being bathed in that 322 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: as you said, unconditional but unlimited love, just love beyond 323 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: our wildest dreams, no judgment ever ever, just complete acceptance. 324 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: I remember this one gentleman who told me that, and 325 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,679 Speaker 1: and he was a biker and who had had a 326 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: near death experience. And he said when he got over there, 327 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: he said, it was like everything was perfect. He said, 328 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: now there were all these people around me, I didn't 329 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: know them who they were, but I knew that I 330 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,399 Speaker 1: knew them. He said, it was like you were the 331 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: best day of your life, would all your best friends out. 332 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: Everything was perfect, a temperature was perfect. You couldn't have 333 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: asked for a more just perfect. He couldn't even get 334 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: beyond the perfection of the moment. It was like your 335 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: best possible moment day ever, in all your whole life. 336 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: That's what it felt like the whole time you're over there. 337 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,360 Speaker 1: Another thing I thought was interesting about what he had 338 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,400 Speaker 1: to say was he was a biker and you know 339 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: we've gone through some different actually a Hell's angel. It's 340 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: a tough guy. He's a tough guy. And he said, 341 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, all my life, he says, I would say, 342 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: you know, God, you know, wait till I get to 343 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: the other side. I got some questions to ask you, 344 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: So he said, when he's on the other side, he said, 345 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: I was over there, and he said, I didn't have 346 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: any more questions because I already knew the answers. The 347 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: questions were gone because on that side you are in 348 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: all awareness. You were in a heightened understanding. Melissa, do 349 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: you have any insight or thoughts on the word suffering. 350 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: I know you've been around many people as they've passed. 351 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: I've only been with my dad and it wasn't pretty. 352 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: He really suffered with cancer right up until the end. Well, 353 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: I just want to say to make sure and I'm 354 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: sorry that your dad suffered, and I am so sorry 355 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: that there are so many family members that do see 356 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: loved one suffering because those memories are hard to let 357 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: go of. But number one, I would just I mean, 358 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't know what your dad was going through in particular, 359 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: but I would say make sure you're in the hands 360 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: of experts to help minimize any suffering that might be there. 361 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: So make sure you're with you know, a hospice, hospice 362 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: paying experts. I don't know if that's what your dad 363 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: was going through. There's lots of ways to make people comfortable, 364 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: and I think people are reluctant to come on board 365 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: to hospice because they feel like they're giving up hope. 366 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: But our focus is to, like I said, really maximize 367 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: that time here on earth. So get them as comfortable 368 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: as they can be. In rare situations, we we can't 369 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: get them comfortable, and and that's as hard. It's hard 370 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,400 Speaker 1: on us because we want to make it better for them. 371 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: I also believe that make sure that your doctor is 372 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: one who really hears and listens and doesn't have a 373 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:28,159 Speaker 1: problem with getting offering pain medication. We hospice will I 374 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 1: advocate for you on your behalf. We really want to 375 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: give you whatever it is that's going to make you comfortable. 376 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: You know, there is not there's no such thing as 377 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: too much medication. Obviously you're not gonna get from aid, 378 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: you know, huge amounts overnight. But everything is is really 379 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: actually calculated based on Okay, you're using this much, okay, Okay, 380 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: now you need this many, this much more. Okay. We're gonna, 381 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: you know, figure it out each time we do a bump. 382 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: It's a mathematical calculation in pain medication. Yeah, that's what 383 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: happened to my dad, but he was not in hospice. 384 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: We thought he had much longer on this earth. I 385 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: wish he was in hospice because we did have a 386 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: little time in hospice where he was getting his pain 387 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: meds sorted out, and the people there were so kind 388 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: and so wonderful, really positive. A listen, I want to 389 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: ask you about your books. I know you have one 390 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 1: called The Angel with The Golden Glow, a family's journey 391 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: through loss and healing, actually inspired by a little child 392 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: that I cared for as a hospice nurse. And it's 393 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: a story that starts in heaven and ends in heaven. 394 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: This little child comes with a healing gift to Earth, 395 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: and he knows before he comes that he will only 396 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: be here for a short time, but he brings a 397 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: gift of hum That sounds very special now, Alyssa, you 398 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: also have our children live on Miraculous moments for the bereaved. 399 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: That is uh, mostly parents experiences of their chi ldren 400 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: after they've died. I think there's about seventy five stories 401 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: in there. Wow, that's quite a few, Alyssa. We need 402 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 1: to scoot off for a break, and when we come back, 403 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 1: I want to find out how you went about finding 404 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: these parents and getting all of these stories, So we 405 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: will be back in just a moment. You're listening to 406 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,719 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 407 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades 408 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with 409 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: author and hospice nurse Alyssa L. Chokichi. Alyssa, you just said, 410 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 1: your book, Our Children Live On has over seventy five stories. 411 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: How did you get all these parents to send you 412 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: the stories? Honestly, the Angel book brought me in touch 413 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,480 Speaker 1: with a lot of families who had had amazing experiences 414 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: with their children after they had died. I put in 415 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: the back of the book that I was working on 416 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: another book. Honestly, the Angel with the Golden Globe kind 417 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 1: of happened to me. Miraculous Moments which Our Children Live On, 418 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: is like the Companion Book to that the two would 419 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: have been one book, except that I had too many 420 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: stories and the publisher, which was Llewellyn Worldwide, the publisher 421 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 1: had me divided into two books. Yeah, so Miraculous Moments 422 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: came first, true stories affirming that life goes on so 423 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: that and Our Children Live on. Both of them have 424 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: lots of stories of after death communication, you know, some 425 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: stories of nearing death awareness that that heightened spiritual state 426 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,360 Speaker 1: that the dying enter, you know, before they passed, and 427 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: then also near death experiences people who have died been 428 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: brought back to life and tell you what happened on 429 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: the other side. So the difference between the two books 430 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: is our children live on is mostly told vibree parents, 431 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: some siblings, some healthcare professionals, you know, what have you. 432 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: But it could be not just a little child. It 433 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: could And there's actually four stories in there that have 434 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: to do with miscarriage experiences that the moms had after 435 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: they miscarried, but all different ages, even up to the 436 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: loss of an adult daughter who died of breast cancer. 437 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's all different. And then we know there's 438 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: lots of you know, lots of family families lose children 439 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: to sudden death, whether it's you know, drug overdose or 440 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: suicide or car accidents. So lots of stories to support 441 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: those families and the journeys that these parents went through 442 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: to help them. Some share a little some share how 443 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: they got through it. My heart goes out to any 444 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: parent who has had their child and their own life. 445 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Can we talk a little bit about suicide, Alyssa, I 446 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: know from these many years that nobody has punished. The 447 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: child is healthy, well whole again, no matter what age 448 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: you take yourself over there well that they can still 449 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: be around in their lives. And these parents are telling 450 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: you that. And you know, it's interesting. You were talking 451 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: about your dad physically suffering before he died. But surely 452 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: these parents who have lost children to suicide, and the 453 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: families suffer so much after the suicide, definitely, because there's 454 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: always this question of what did I miss? Did I 455 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: could have done something? You know, should I have acted sooner, 456 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: or you know, whatever, And there's always this and why 457 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: why you know? And clearly that soul, you know, found 458 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: that suffering on this earth plane was too much to bear. 459 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: They just it was too much for them to bear 460 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: for whatever reason. And sometimes, just like your dad led 461 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: you to what your work is right now, I really 462 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: sometimes feel like, you know, these parents in their desperate 463 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: search to find wholeness again, to find peace in their hearts, 464 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: if it's at all possible, ever, will lead them to 465 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: finally connecting with their child in a new way. And 466 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: and you know, there's a great book. And you may 467 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: have never heard of this book, but I feel it's 468 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: very helpful for families who have experienced the child who 469 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: took his life from suicide. And the recommendation was given 470 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: to you by Elizabeth Coobler Ross through one of her 471 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: newsletters years ago. Elizabeth Cooper Ross, the Swiss psychiatrist who 472 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: very much raised awareness about the needs of the dying 473 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: in the sixties seventies, you know. Anyway, Elizabeth recommended this 474 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: book and it's called Stephen Lives and it's written by 475 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: an per year p U R y e A R. 476 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: And it talks about this mom's struggle with philosoph her son, 477 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: who I think he was fifteen or sixteen when he 478 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: took his life, and how she gets through it, and 479 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: there's notes that he's left and anyway, she ends up 480 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: communicating with him, learning through her meditation how to connect 481 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: with him. And the story goes on and it's been 482 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: a pretty powerful agent to help the families walk that journey. 483 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that resource. I also want 484 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: to recommend any parent who has a child in the afterlife, 485 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: no matter how they got over there, please go to 486 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: Helping Parents Heal dot org. It is one of the 487 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: few grief support groups that are out there that wholeheartedly 488 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: embrace the reality of the afterlife. They have many free 489 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: things online. They also have a private group only for parents. 490 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: They'll have mediums do demonstrations to their community. They're really 491 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: a good group. There's even a phone number that you 492 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: can call any time of day or night if you 493 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: need to talk to somebody Melyssa, I tell you it's 494 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: not easy being a human, not only physical problems and 495 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 1: emotional problems, but mental problems. There's so many things that 496 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: are so tough for us here remember everything. I think 497 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: that there's a lesson and a blessing in every experience. 498 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: So it's up to us to figure out what is 499 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: it that we need to learn through the experience so 500 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: we can move on. What's the gift in that experience? 501 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 1: Even through suffering, there's a gift, Like look at the 502 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: gift that you received through sharing that suffering with your dad, 503 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: and look at the amazing difference you're making in the 504 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: world for the lot in the lives of all these people. 505 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: Same thing with the little baby that I cared for 506 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: that inspired you know, the angel with the golden glow. Yes, 507 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: that was so difficult for the family at the time, 508 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: but he has touched thousands of families helping them through 509 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: their journey. So I have to agree that their camp 510 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: a gift. In grief. However, this can really tick some 511 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: people off because when you're going through it, there is 512 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: nothing more painful in fact, people do in their lives 513 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: when they're deeply grieving. People do hit rock bottom. Some 514 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: people who don't believe can spend thirty fifty years in pain. 515 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: I think when you get the right support, when you 516 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: get to go on your spiritual journey and realize that 517 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: your loved ones are still around, I think several years 518 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: down the road, you can look back and see that 519 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: gift in grief really by you going through the experience 520 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: you had, you may touch the life of one other 521 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: person that gives them hope again. And that is what 522 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: I think you're talking about as far as the gift 523 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: and grief, because I tell you what, if anyone were 524 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: to tell me when I hit rock bottom that, oh, 525 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: there's a gift in it for you, Oh how special 526 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 1: you're going to learn something, I would have hunched them 527 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: right in the nose. And I mean that. So, while 528 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: we're on the topic of grief, what would you like 529 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: to share about grief? Because it is brutal, it is 530 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: a bar. The only way to the other side of 531 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: grief is going straight through it. What are your thoughts? Well, 532 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: first off, you know, grief is real and tangible and 533 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: even physical in the body. Everybody grieves in different ways, 534 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: um and it really depends on that not only the 535 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: uniqueness of that individual, but the type of loss they had. 536 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: Was it a young person, an old person. Was it 537 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: a tragic loss, was it a sudden death, was it 538 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: or whatever. There's so many things that factor, but still 539 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: it's a loss. So we have to process our pain. 540 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: We have to move through the pain. We have to 541 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: allow the pain, experience it, you know, find those things 542 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: that are going to help support you through that, to heal, 543 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: to get to the other side of it. I really 544 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: feel that UM even getting body work is really helpful, 545 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 1: like polarity therapy or UM you know, massage, or do 546 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 1: more than just talking. You can get flower essences could 547 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: help you, you know, move through grief. There's lots of things, 548 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: but I find doing one, two or three things simultaneously 549 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: helps you move through things quicker. Also, when we lose someone, 550 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: we're in the mindset that they're gone, and the truth 551 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: is they aren't. They really can still be in our lives. 552 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: I have this sense that our loved ones um want 553 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: to let us know right away that they're around, but 554 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 1: our grief separates us from being able to see those 555 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 1: subtle things that they're trying to show us. Kind of 556 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: like I not to say anyway, that there's a parallel here. 557 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,440 Speaker 1: But um, you know, when I get a migraine, you know, 558 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: it's just there for five days or whatever, and I 559 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: just like try to try to dim down my my 560 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: my awareness of the pain. But what happens when I 561 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: do that, as I miss a lot of the world 562 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: around me because that pain is so great, Like I 563 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: miss all the other stuff around me. Well, the same thing, 564 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: only a way more intensified if you've lost a loved one, 565 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 1: because your heart is really feeling physical pain, and so 566 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: you really have to dim down the intensity of that 567 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 1: pain so you can survive. And so you kind of 568 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: like turned everything down on you know, just to try 569 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: to take it a little bit out of time. But 570 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: what happens is there's there. It's probably your loved ones 571 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,439 Speaker 1: trying to reach out to you, but they can't get 572 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: through the grief. Now, the other thing is is you know, 573 00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: have you ever you know as and I'm sure you 574 00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,839 Speaker 1: remember this, there were times after your dad died that 575 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: you just started crying out of nowhere, Yes, burst into tears. Yeah. 576 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: And now of course there's the triggers that we know 577 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: that where's your dad or Father's Day or you know 578 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: whatever you know the time that you always picked him up, 579 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: you called him on the telephone, and it's that that 580 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 1: time of the week or the day. But I'm not 581 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: talking about the triggers. I'm talking about like you're just 582 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: going on with life, and there it is, all of 583 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: a sudden you burst out crying. My sense is that 584 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: your dad was near. Your dad was trying to reach 585 00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: out to you because you were in a peaceful place, 586 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: and he was trying to let you know I'm here 587 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,239 Speaker 1: with you, Sandra, and you recognized his energy near you, 588 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 1: and you remembered and started to cry and said, Dad, 589 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: you're not with me. So I offer something to shift that. Perhaps, 590 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 1: just dial it a little bit differently, and instead of 591 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: saying Dad, you're not here, how about shift it and 592 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: saying Dad, thank for coming. Wow. That's a really good 593 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: practice if we can remember to do it. Gosh, it 594 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: is so hard when we're grieving because it's like it's 595 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,040 Speaker 1: got a mind of its own. But yeah, those triggers 596 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you find yourself buckled over 597 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: in tears, start talking to your loved one. Absolutely, absolutely. Anyways, 598 00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,319 Speaker 1: I want to tell you, if you haven't heard the 599 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: past episode, there's a special thing in there for you 600 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: that I think you should It's a meditation to reconnect 601 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 1: you with your loved one. It's very powerful. So that 602 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: is episode of Shades of the Afterlife. So let's take 603 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,800 Speaker 1: a break and we'll find out some more from Melissa 604 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: when we get back. You're listening to Shades of the 605 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 606 00:37:50,600 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. 607 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm Sandra Champlain and we are with Alyssa l cho 608 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: Kochi and she is from Miraculous Moments dot com, author, 609 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: hospice nurse and just a great person. Alyssa, what are 610 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: some of the common ways that loved ones can get 611 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 1: through to us, just us regular folks. Um, Well, I 612 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: think commonly we see our loved ones in dream in 613 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 1: dream time. Now, there's just regular dreams where we're processing 614 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: our grief, we're crying with But there's the dreams where 615 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: you know it's more than a dream. Maybe you're having 616 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,839 Speaker 1: a really particularly hard day and you know and there 617 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: they there, they suddenly show up to let you know 618 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm here with you, I'm here, You're you're not alone, right, Um? 619 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: They may come with a message that you really needed 620 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 1: to hear. They often look younger, like really like in 621 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,960 Speaker 1: their prime, you know, and those are things that wouldn't know, 622 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: we wouldn't normally even experience. Right, Sometimes we hear, you know, 623 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: Mary's forms of sound, like perhaps we pair their voice 624 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: call out our name or here was one example of 625 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: this woman who was really close to her grandmother, and 626 00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: her grandmother had died, and she was this an adult 627 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: woman who was out on a shopping trip with a 628 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: dear friend and they'd gone shopping and she gets in 629 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: the and she's in the passenger seat. She gets in 630 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: and she has all these packages, and she intentionally didn't 631 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: put her seatbelt on because she wanted to show her 632 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: friend was driving a car. Oh yeah, this is what 633 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,000 Speaker 1: I got. This is what I got. And she didn't 634 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,479 Speaker 1: put her seatbelt on. Well, she's driving along and then 635 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, she hears her grandmother's 636 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: voice like scream in her head, put your seatbelt on now? 637 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: Or actually I think she says, for God's sakes, what's 638 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:16,400 Speaker 1: your seatbelt on now? And so she quick stops and 639 00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 1: she jumps and she puts it on, and then lo 640 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: and Behold, there's this you know, accident that that proceeds 641 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: to happen with this huge tractor trailer truck. Their car 642 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: flips like twice over lands upside down and she wasn't 643 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,520 Speaker 1: even hurt. She had her seatbelt on. And and that's 644 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: a really true story in this you know, that's an example. 645 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, now that's a very dramatic example. Most people 646 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: don't hear that, but I'm just saying you could hear 647 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: the voice and that was as clear as a belt, 648 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,840 Speaker 1: and it really saved her life. Other things, you know, 649 00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: people might hear a song playing, like maybe it's your 650 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,719 Speaker 1: song that that the two of you shared, and here 651 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: it is this special either you're having a hard time, 652 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: or maybe it's your anniversary and there's your your anniversaries 653 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: the song that you did us to at your wedding. 654 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: Or sometimes you know, uh baby, you know, little ones, 655 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: maybe they've lost a little baby and maybe their musical 656 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,719 Speaker 1: toys start playing. Nobody's touching it, and there it is. 657 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,240 Speaker 1: I've even had people tell me this. One mom told 658 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: me that after her adult daughter and I think she 659 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,879 Speaker 1: had died for breast cancer. Um, it was like three 660 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 1: months before she could really get herself to like clean 661 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: up her her place, her apartment, and and she's over 662 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,680 Speaker 1: there cleaning it up, and then all of a sudden, 663 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,920 Speaker 1: the blinking light goes on on the on the answering machine, 664 00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: so she goes to play it. It's her daughter's voice. 665 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: There are really so many ways that loved ones try 666 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 1: to communicate. But I often say, when our mind is 667 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: so busy, worried about the future and thinking about the past, 668 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,560 Speaker 1: and feeling guilty and all those things, they can't get through. 669 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: Especially some of them are just such subtle signs, such 670 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: feelings or a memory or something that we can easily 671 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: just chuck up to. Oh that was just my gination. 672 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: You know. It's great to talk to somebody who's an author, 673 00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: who's got a book, our books in your case, but 674 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: if you want to hear just stories from everyday people. 675 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: Here's a trick that I told people a couple of 676 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: episodes ago. Is if you look up near death experiences 677 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,680 Speaker 1: or deathbed visitations, or hospice nurse stories anything like that 678 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: on YouTube, and then you look in the comments below, 679 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: there are thousands of people that want to tell you 680 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,520 Speaker 1: their stories. I haven't done this yet, but look up 681 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: signs from your loved ones. I am sure there are 682 00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: stories underneath those videos that are really great. So it'll 683 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: give you an idea of some of the things to 684 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: look for, and you can also ask for signs. You know, 685 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 1: it's true that our loved ones don't experience time and 686 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: space like we do. You know, for us, it could 687 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,880 Speaker 1: be a year since our loved one died and you 688 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,160 Speaker 1: might not feel like you've out in a sign. And 689 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,760 Speaker 1: in their world, it could be just like a blink 690 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: of an eye because they're watching us. They are part 691 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: of our lives. Of course, they've got lives to live 692 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,160 Speaker 1: over there, but they can see everything, so they don't 693 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: miss us like we miss them. But keep talking to them. Hey, dad, 694 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: I haven't heard from you for a while. I knew 695 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 1: you love to fly airplanes. Put some airplanes in my path, 696 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: or the word airplane or whatever that may be, and 697 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: then pay attention. Pay attention. I always let listeners know. Two. 698 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,240 Speaker 1: Research anything that kind of pulls at your heart strings. 699 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: If you're interested in electronic voice phenomena, do some more 700 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 1: research on it. If you're interested in deathbed visitations, do 701 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,040 Speaker 1: some research on it. You can take a course in 702 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:53,359 Speaker 1: psychic and mediumship and actually see that you have this 703 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: potential within you. It's pretty amazing. My biggest passion about 704 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: doing this show is when we're not afraid of death, 705 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,960 Speaker 1: we won't be afraid of life. Really, life is so difficult, 706 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 1: and when you can have some kind of an experience 707 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: or a deep belief that we go on, you know, 708 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: you push the envelope. You say things to people that 709 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: you're open maybe and I love you when you normally 710 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't say it, you know, or you go after a dream, 711 00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: or you take a little risk something like that. So 712 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,320 Speaker 1: I do want everybody to play full out in their lives, 713 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: myself included. It's not easy to take my own advice, 714 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,960 Speaker 1: but I do try yes well, and if you live 715 00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,760 Speaker 1: as fully as you possibly can during your life, then 716 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: there's no fear of dying. There should be a fear 717 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: of dying because you've done everything you needed to do, 718 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: and if you haven't, you can continue doing it over 719 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: there or like in a near death experience, it's not 720 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,920 Speaker 1: your time. We certainly hear those people who had a 721 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 1: near death experiences who are are sent back. There's a 722 00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: few of them who are sent back. They're not given 723 00:44:58,560 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: a choice of whether they're going to stay or God 724 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: go Uh there said you are going to go back 725 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 1: because you are not done yet. There are still you 726 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 1: have to go back here for your mom, or there's 727 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 1: still work for you to do. They may come back 728 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: with the awareness of what they still have left to 729 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,040 Speaker 1: do on this earth. So I I believe when we're 730 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: not when we're not done, we definitely come back to 731 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,359 Speaker 1: complete that. Yeah. You know, those folks that have those 732 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: near death experiences, they have such a passion for helping 733 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,080 Speaker 1: other people and they have no fear of dying. Pretty incredible. 734 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: If you haven't yet researched IMS, go to IMS dot 735 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 1: org i A n d S dot org. It's the 736 00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 1: International Association for Near Death Studies. Every year they have 737 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: a big conference. Uh it's held online and in person, 738 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: and it's just it's an incredible, incredible group of people. ALYSSA, 739 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 1: look down into your heart if you would. What haven't 740 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: I asked you or what haven't we talked about? Or 741 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,080 Speaker 1: what else would you like to say while we're here together? Well, 742 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 1: I just I just want to say that, just you know, 743 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: to your your listeners, please know that your loved ones 744 00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: love you just as much. Now those who have passed 745 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,560 Speaker 1: over love you just as much now as they ever did. 746 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: That love is eternal, it does not change because they 747 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 1: are not here in the physical with you. They love 748 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: you forever and it will always be there. So if 749 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: you need them, just ask, just ask, And even if 750 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,879 Speaker 1: you don't ask, they will still be there for you 751 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: in your time of need. Yeah, they're right here with us, 752 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,880 Speaker 1: you know. Like I said, they have lives to live there, 753 00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,040 Speaker 1: but they could be with us in a heartbeat. You know. 754 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,840 Speaker 1: They can multitask. Let me put it to you that way, 755 00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,239 Speaker 1: being in two places at one time. There's actually a 756 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,960 Speaker 1: story of two gals that are sisters that lived in 757 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 1: the opposite sides of the earth, and they both got 758 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,680 Speaker 1: medium readings at the same time, and the mom came 759 00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 1: through with evidence for both of them at the exact 760 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,760 Speaker 1: same time. So they can be different places at once, 761 00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,759 Speaker 1: and they are with us. Melissa, thank you so much 762 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: for being our guest today. You are most welcome. Thank 763 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,359 Speaker 1: you so very very much for having me. You are 764 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: most very welcome, and it's very easy to talk to you. 765 00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,399 Speaker 1: And for our listeners, don't go anywhere just yet, because 766 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,120 Speaker 1: I've got a couple other things to share in a 767 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,919 Speaker 1: nice poem as well as a reminder. You can check 768 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,920 Speaker 1: out Alyssa's website at miraculous moments dot com or her 769 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,759 Speaker 1: Facebook page Miraculous Moments. And it really is miraculous to 770 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,560 Speaker 1: think that our loved ones can come through, that they 771 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: live on, that we'll live on. But don't forget we 772 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:49,319 Speaker 1: live in a miraculous universe. There's the new telescope out 773 00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,200 Speaker 1: there that's taking pictures from when the Big Bang happened. 774 00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 1: I mean, we live in an ever expanding universe with 775 00:47:56,600 --> 00:48:00,680 Speaker 1: billions and billions of galaxies. And they say for every 776 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,120 Speaker 1: grain of sand on our Earth, there is a star 777 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: like our Sun with planets around it. It's incredible. And 778 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: then down to our tiniest little fiber, the molecules within us, 779 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:19,719 Speaker 1: the atoms within the molecules, all we are is invisible, 780 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,960 Speaker 1: vibrating energy. I don't know who created this game called life. 781 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: I gotta admit it's very rarely fun. But I do 782 00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: think there is a purpose to it. I do think 783 00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: there's experiences our soul needs to have, and if in doubt, 784 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: let's just sprinkle a little love in and things get better. 785 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: Loving yourself, loving another person, being of service to another. 786 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,800 Speaker 1: So I want to read this to you. Don't cry 787 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,360 Speaker 1: for me when I am gone. Celebrate the life I lived. 788 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: Celebrate that I am gone to a better place. No 789 00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,040 Speaker 1: more suffering, no more pain. Now I can walk, now 790 00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,080 Speaker 1: I can talk, Now I can see my friends that 791 00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 1: went before me. Don't cry for me, not even when 792 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:08,759 Speaker 1: I am gone. My world is not over. It is 793 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,440 Speaker 1: just begun. Celebrate the fact you knew me. Celebrate the 794 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: times we shared. Celebrate our joys, our love of life. 795 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 1: For I am in a much better place. Don't cry 796 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,200 Speaker 1: for me until I am gone. Don't cry for me, 797 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,400 Speaker 1: not even then, but cry for your loss of a friend. 798 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,759 Speaker 1: Cry for the sorrows you feel. Make room for the 799 00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,760 Speaker 1: joys to remember. Don't cry for me. I won't cry 800 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: for you, not until you are gone, but not even then, 801 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 1: because I will be waiting to see you again, my friend, 802 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,480 Speaker 1: when you cross the stairway to Heaven's gates. So with that, 803 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,200 Speaker 1: my friend, remember you are a beautiful soul having a 804 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,840 Speaker 1: human experience. Please come visit us on our Sunday gathering. 805 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,439 Speaker 1: I beg you it's so eight. Go to We Don't 806 00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,919 Speaker 1: Die dot Com and click on Sunday Gathering. 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