Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Waken Jake. Super Bowl Week. We
Speaker 1: cover that in the back half of the show with
Speaker 1: Justin Pennock, who's heading down to New Orleans with me
Speaker 1: leading up to the Super Bowl. So that's going to
Speaker 1: be fun. Baseball kicked in the gear a little bit.
Speaker 1: How about the righties? Sureser to Toronto, Jack Flaherty yesterday
Speaker 1: back to Detroit. That's exciting. There was also a couple
Speaker 1: other small, small ish one medium ish ones. I'll say
Speaker 1: Hassan Kim signed. That was one of the wild cards
Speaker 1: of this free agency to the Tampa Bay Rays. Carlos
Speaker 1: Estevez to your Royals. I know that gets everyone jazzed up.
Speaker 1: Or hey Polanco back to Seattle. Sad he had his
Speaker 1: worst year. What were those contracts talks like, hey you,
Speaker 1: I know it is your worst year. You want to
Speaker 1: come back? Okay, I know an article just came out
Speaker 1: that said people can't hit at our stadium, but you
Speaker 1: in to run it back. I hate that anyways. And
Speaker 1: the NBA trade that took over the sports world. We'll
Speaker 1: cover that for a little bit because it was the
Speaker 1: topic walking into the office this morning. It was if
Speaker 1: you're a sports person, it's where it's where the NBA
Speaker 1: still wins. They have stars. It's international, Like I think
Speaker 1: people were waking up all over the world, and we're like,
Speaker 1: Luca got traded where I don't think people were waking up,
Speaker 1: and we're like, wait, Flarity's back with Detroit. I don't
Speaker 1: think that hit Europe. Let's do the baseball first, because
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of us are here. We'll go
Speaker 1: recent Jack Flarity back to the Detroit Tigers. Two years
Speaker 1: thirty five million, one year twenty five mil. He has
Speaker 1: a player opt out and then if he makes fifteen
Speaker 1: plus starts the next year for Detroit. If he stays
Speaker 1: in that contract, it goes back up to twenty million.
Speaker 1: Man Jack Flare, do he our guy? First ever talking
Speaker 1: baseball guest in person guest one of Trev's like actual friends,
Speaker 1: which that's cool. Wedding buddy the Hudgens Tucker affair. Jack
Speaker 1: has had an interesting He came up with the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: He was one of the best young pitchers in baseball.
Speaker 1: Some injuries, some performance caught up with them. But the
Speaker 1: good news is last year he was awesome, especially with
Speaker 1: the Detroit Tigers. So he goes back there, which that
Speaker 1: was somewhat rumored through the offseason. I think when things
Speaker 1: are a good fit, you don't have to apologize for that.
Speaker 1: There's injury concerns, which I think, if everyone's being honest,
Speaker 1: we don't actually know anything about. There were some trades
Speaker 1: at the deadline that I think got turned down Before that,
Speaker 1: he's had some backs. He's still when we're talking back stuff,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to Max Scherzer in a second. Jack
Speaker 1: Flerty's twenty nine, so like he's a name that's been
Speaker 1: around for a little bit, going back to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Jack Flerty got hurt by that and the fact that
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have the most electric fastball. And I know,
Speaker 1: even bumping around with JOm a little bit today, some
Speaker 1: of the numbers on the fastball of like Jack doesn't
Speaker 1: put it where it's got to be, it might be
Speaker 1: going somewhere bad the fastball. Vilos declined, he's sitting at
Speaker 1: like ninety three, and we saw some weird stuff in
Speaker 1: the postseason last year. If he didn't have full rest,
Speaker 1: his fastball was around ninety which is just a dangerous
Speaker 1: place for any major league fastball. But we also saw
Speaker 1: in his good starts, he was sitting ninety three, ninety four,
Speaker 1: ninety five, and I think if you're going to follow
Speaker 1: up that those breaking balls or that fastball sentiment, his
Speaker 1: breaking ball right out is one of the best in baseball.
Speaker 1: I think it was ninety eighth percentile and he was
Speaker 1: throwing it a lot. So with the Detroit Tigers last year,
Speaker 1: eighteen starts, one hundred and six innings, pitched, one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty three strikeouts, eleven point two k per nine
Speaker 1: two nine, two and a half. War that he goes
Speaker 1: to the Dodgers, the numbers aren't as great, but he
Speaker 1: was also oh BBD.
Speaker 2: The Yankees have signed Carlos Carrasco Cookies minor league deal.
Speaker 1: Breaking news. Carlos Carrasco Yankee stud they'll be fun in
Speaker 1: training camp. Jack Flerdy goes to the Dodgers LA, where
Speaker 1: he's from. Then they win the World Series and he
Speaker 1: pitched a couple of big games for them. He got
Speaker 1: hit a couple times too. It was often the second start,
Speaker 1: and there's some interesting stats there. I think he was
Speaker 1: the h He was the best pitcher the first time
Speaker 1: through the lineup of allowing hitters get on base. I
Speaker 1: think it was like a two seventy on base percentage,
Speaker 1: So there's stuff in there. Jack's banging breaking balls. He's
Speaker 1: had a very productive year. Detroit is one of the
Speaker 1: better pitcher ballparks to pitch out, and for them it
Speaker 1: just makes their pitching feel so much. I want say,
Speaker 1: breatheable Derek Scooble, who has an argument for best pitcher
Speaker 1: in the game. That'll start you off. Jack Flaherty is
Speaker 1: back his whole season last year, twenty eight starts in
Speaker 1: the regular season, one hundred and sixty two innings pitch
Speaker 1: and one hundred and ninety four strikeouts. Like the Strikeout
Speaker 1: company that he was with in baseball are some of
Speaker 1: the best pitchers. So it's a little in old free agency.
Speaker 1: If this was two thousand and five, I think Jack
Speaker 1: Flaherty gets the five to six year deal. People are
Speaker 1: scared a little bit from the velo. They're scared a
Speaker 1: little bit from the injury spot. The option contracts have
Speaker 1: had some success. Matt Chapman Uh he signed the the
Speaker 1: opt in opt out contract. He got the full pay
Speaker 1: day he was looking for from the San Francisco Giants.
Speaker 1: Blake Snell came back, did the opt out opt in,
Speaker 1: He got the contract he was looking for. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be a big year for Cody Bellinger as we talk
Speaker 1: if we're talking Cookie carrasco signings. If Belly puts together
Speaker 1: an OPS that starts within a his opt in opt
Speaker 1: out contract will kind of have worked out for him.
Speaker 1: So in Hassan Kim, actually his is an opt in
Speaker 1: opt out. So I think it's a little disappointing if
Speaker 1: you're jack to put up that. If you told him
Speaker 1: going into last year, hey dude, you're gonna have twenty
Speaker 1: eight starts, a three to one seven ERA and eleven
Speaker 1: point two k per nine. You know that's a at
Speaker 1: his age, that performance that should get him one hundred
Speaker 1: mil over five years or whatever it is. I think
Speaker 1: if he does it again, which again, is that fair
Speaker 1: to him, I don't know, he'll land closer in that ballpark,
Speaker 1: but it's got to be. It's one of the weirder
Speaker 1: things in baseball, in any sports, you get paid not
Speaker 1: for necessarily what you've done, but for what teams think
Speaker 1: you're gonna do, and they're worried about injury, and they're
Speaker 1: worried if anything else comes off that fastball. So it's
Speaker 1: a little tough because we're kind of close to the situation.
Speaker 1: This is a man I've broken bread with. This is
Speaker 1: a guy Trev knows personally that, Yeah, I think if
Speaker 1: you're Detroit, I think this is a snag. Worst case
Speaker 1: for them, it's two years. The salary number next year
Speaker 1: doesn't hurt you, and you can keep it moving. If
Speaker 1: you're Jack Flaherty, you need to pitch well in the
Speaker 1: next two years, whether it's this year or next year,
Speaker 1: so you have a little bit of wiggle room. And
Speaker 1: the other funny comparison that will know more about in
Speaker 1: a year. Lucas Cialito signed a very similar contract to
Speaker 1: Jack Flaherty, and he'll be coming back for the Socks
Speaker 1: at some point this year. The former high school teammates
Speaker 1: so like it. For Detroit, it gives their young guys
Speaker 1: between miz and Montero and were they are Jackson, Joe
Speaker 1: Matt Manning like for those young guys, it gives them
Speaker 1: more ability for hey, someone's gonna click this year. Someone's
Speaker 1: probably not gonna click this year or get hurt. So
Speaker 1: Detroit has more depth there. They can throw the baseball.
Speaker 1: They had a nasty bullpen last year. They also added
Speaker 1: Tommy Kinley. They've had a sneaky little offseason. Alex Cobb
Speaker 1: is another one of those fifteen mil veterans starting pitchers
Speaker 1: that will get to in a second that they sneakily.
Speaker 1: I think everyone thought the Tigers were gonna do the
Speaker 1: big splash the Bregman. They've added two guys to their rotation.
Speaker 1: They've added a high leverage bullpen guy, and they've added Glabor,
Speaker 1: who's going to be a top two hitter in their lineup,
Speaker 1: probably as.
Speaker 2: Far as what you can guarantee you like for sure.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think if you go if
Speaker 1: you went around and you did teams off seasons, which
Speaker 1: we probably will do at some point, to add a
Speaker 1: top of the lineup guy, the top of the rotation guy,
Speaker 1: a back end of the rotation guy, and then a
Speaker 1: late inning bullpen guy. Not a bad offseason for a
Speaker 1: team that has a lot of young talent. They won
Speaker 1: eighty six games last year, and they are going to
Speaker 1: be an interesting case study because they obviously had that
Speaker 1: crazy hot stretch last year where they were doing pitching chaos,
Speaker 1: so they didn't have the starters. They're gonna be a
Speaker 1: fun watch this year. And if they have a couple
Speaker 1: young guys click, the Tigers can be for real. So
Speaker 1: like the Jack Flaherty signing for them, I think a
Speaker 1: little unfortunate timing for Jack Flaherty. But if he pitches
Speaker 1: well in the next two years, he'll get He'll land
Speaker 1: around probably what he was expecting to get. So and hey,
Speaker 1: he's going to somewhere he's had success. Like it's he's
Speaker 1: not going to a crazy hitters ballpark. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: be working with like new coaches or a new organization
Speaker 1: he doesn't know, Like sometimes that's how free agency goes,
Speaker 1: Like who knows some of the offers Pete a Lonzo's gotten,
Speaker 1: Like I think Pete wants to be a met Maybe
Speaker 1: Pete has a couple other places he's okay landing, but
Speaker 1: he's probably getting offers from some teams he's not that into.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Pete wants to be a blue Jay.
Speaker 1: Maybe he does so to go to a familiar place,
Speaker 1: get a decent bag, Like I think the twenty five
Speaker 1: MILLI year makes Jack a top ten paid starting pitcher
Speaker 1: for next year. Technically, Like sometimes we get so lost
Speaker 1: in the funny money that it's like.
Speaker 3: Hey man for this.
Speaker 1: This is not that I know that's not the seven
Speaker 1: year deal you wanted, but that's pretty damn good. But
Speaker 1: maybe that's not the fair scale to look at it.
Speaker 1: On the other one, that dropped Max Schurzer to the
Speaker 1: Toronto Blue Jays fifteen and a half mil. The chase
Speaker 1: of him and Verlander for career strikeouts is a fun
Speaker 1: old man game. This year and Surezer gets just a
Speaker 1: little bit more money. Might have cared about that might
Speaker 1: not have for Toronto. I have this as a massive win.
Speaker 1: It's one year Max schers are sure you're talking father
Speaker 1: time and some injuries. His stats the past two years
Speaker 1: have looked pretty consistent. You get to add ma Max
Speaker 1: Schurzer to your team for a year for low risk.
Speaker 1: He slots in as their four or five starter. Gossman,
Speaker 1: Burrio's Bassett, Sureser Browden Francis, who really broke out at
Speaker 1: the end of last year. Thirteen starts to the tune
Speaker 1: of a three to three era very righty. I always
Speaker 1: find that weird, but you have a rotation. It's in
Speaker 1: their final year of trying to keep flatty. They signed Santander.
Speaker 1: I would love if they get in the p Alonzo
Speaker 1: business with one of those opt out contracts. That might
Speaker 1: be a win win for both sides, because if Toronto
Speaker 1: wants to be involved, they have to do more. The
Speaker 1: Al East is stacked, The Yankees are still really good.
Speaker 1: Boston is going to be a step better. The Rays
Speaker 1: are going to raise in a big way. This year.
Speaker 1: They got some pitching back. They had no McClanahan last year.
Speaker 1: They had some guys come back during the year. Last year,
Speaker 1: a lot of them is going to be around Junior
Speaker 1: Common Arrow and how much other hitting and help can
Speaker 1: they get throughout and the Orioles are supposed to be
Speaker 1: in there, like Golden era of baseball that right now
Speaker 1: Toronto has an Ale East problem. That a funny game,
Speaker 1: and we played it briefly on Talking Baseball is like
Speaker 1: Toronto and Detroit's roster side by side if you had
Speaker 1: to pick one in a vacuum, like not have not
Speaker 1: knowing the divisions. It's interesting. It's interesting, Like I don't
Speaker 1: think the pitching is that far off. I mean, you
Speaker 1: have scoobl who's the bad man for Detroit, and they've
Speaker 1: got options to click For Toronto, it almost feels like
Speaker 1: it should be a safer rotation, but last year it
Speaker 1: kind of wasn't It landed middle of the pack, and
Speaker 1: then you have one of the worst bullpens in Toronto
Speaker 1: last year versus one of the best, UH with Detroit.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's kind of an interesting exercise,
Speaker 1: like if you start writing down the best players, like, okay,
Speaker 1: so Vladdie Baschett, Santander for Toronto, that's pretty good for Detroit?
Speaker 1: Is that Riley Green, Kerry Carpenter, Labor, Matt Veerling. I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's interesting exercise to run at home that
Speaker 1: if if the Toronto Blue Jays roster was the Detroit
Speaker 1: Tigers roster, would you like them more less the exact same?
Speaker 1: I don't really have my answer. Part of me slightly
Speaker 1: leans Toronto, but I think that might just be East
Speaker 1: coast elitist, which brings up where's Toronto and Detroit on
Speaker 1: a map? Because they're both I think a lot of
Speaker 1: the world considers them kind of East coast. But I
Speaker 1: also don't anyways old geography there. I need Toronto to
Speaker 1: do more. And it's kind of unfair because they're offseason
Speaker 1: all in, we're starting to get all in off season time,
Speaker 1: like Andre Semenez. If he hits, if he has a
Speaker 1: seven hundred ops, he's like a six war player. So
Speaker 1: they added him like they added Santander, who's kind of
Speaker 1: the opposite. You're gonna get the offensive production, but you
Speaker 1: might not get anything else, along with adding Max Scherzer
Speaker 1: and Jeff Hoffman the back end of their bullpen, hopefully
Speaker 1: to stabilize things back there. So Toronto in away has
Speaker 1: had a bit of an off season. It's just Detroit
Speaker 1: signed Jack Flaherty and the conversation with them is can
Speaker 1: Detroit win the central Toronto signs Max Scherzer and the
Speaker 1: conversation with them is are they last place in the
Speaker 1: A LE East? So again there's some division. How would
Speaker 1: this actually line up if Toronto? If Toronto and Detroit
Speaker 1: played one hundred times, I don't think it'd be far
Speaker 1: off from fifty to fifty. I think those teams are
Speaker 1: on pretty similar planes. And I don't know which fan
Speaker 1: base gets more mad about saying that I just got
Speaker 1: a text from one of my buddies. I don't text
Speaker 1: a lot. Who is a Yankee fan who just said
Speaker 1: Carlos Carrasco loll yeah, big time. M again, that'll be
Speaker 1: fun for spring training. How he Sung Kim signed with
Speaker 1: Tampa shoulder injury. Let's see how long he's out for.
Speaker 1: Is it May first? Is it June first? Is it
Speaker 1: July first? A very razy type player can pick it
Speaker 1: with anyone in the world. He can hit enough that
Speaker 1: he had one massive year in San Diego and a
Speaker 1: couple solid years in San Diego. So interested? Will he
Speaker 1: become trade bait for them? Where the Rays gonna be
Speaker 1: when Hassong Kim comes back? Will they be a couple
Speaker 1: games above five hundred? Will they be a couple games
Speaker 1: under five hundred? The Ray's got a lot of pitching,
Speaker 1: a lot of pitching. Watch the Rays are starting to
Speaker 1: make me a little nervous for this season. Has Soong Kim?
Speaker 1: He's a fit on any team. That's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1: And I think that contract without a shoulder injury, which
Speaker 1: again he has the opt out that he's probably hoping
Speaker 1: to comeback for half a season and ball out and
Speaker 1: chuck up the deuces. He could have gotten a sneaky
Speaker 1: amount of money that he may get next agency if
Speaker 1: he comes back and he's healthy. But he also has
Speaker 1: that insurance here that I don't know, I know those contracts.
Speaker 1: You'd rather have the guaranteed money and the guaranteed years.
Speaker 1: I get that as a consolation these opt out contracts.
Speaker 1: I really don't think if you're a quality enough player
Speaker 1: to get fifteen MILI a year, the odds of you
Speaker 1: having a good season in two or three seasons feels
Speaker 1: high to me. But I understand the obviously risk that
Speaker 1: comes with that. I remember a young me and John
Speaker 1: Boy had a terrible fake argument over getting the buy
Speaker 1: in Fantasy Baseball, and Jimmy was like, I don't care,
Speaker 1: Like why would you care about that? And I was like, well,
Speaker 1: it's the risk of losing. If you have a buye,
Speaker 1: there's zero risk of losing. It's literally a pass to
Speaker 1: stround where if something freaky happens, you could lose. Dick
Speaker 1: Love Lady Toronto the other one. Estevez sure one of
Speaker 1: the best relievers on the market. Kansas City with a
Speaker 1: sneaky Estevez and Erseg on the back end, the killer
Speaker 1: ease who you can take that that's stolen. They've got
Speaker 1: a ton of different lefties that like one or two
Speaker 1: of their lefties is gonna figure it out in the bullpen.
Speaker 1: And they got a couple other options down there. Hunter
Speaker 1: Harvey just burped a little bit forgetting who else John
Speaker 1: Shreiber they traded for before the season last year. That uh,
Speaker 1: I think the Royals can really pitch, and I the
Speaker 1: Al Central has some weird blinders on because it's like, well,
Speaker 1: can every team pitch or can nobody hit? How does
Speaker 1: that work? I don't know. I I think I'm buying
Speaker 1: royal stock. I think I'm buying more Royal stock than
Speaker 1: Tiger stock. I don't know if that's right currently. I'd
Speaker 1: have to think about it more. But I really like
Speaker 1: Kansas City's rotation options. I really like the back end
Speaker 1: of their bullpen. And maybe this is really dumb. Hopefully
Speaker 1: this is how sports still works. Bobby Witt feels like
Speaker 1: a difference maker coming off a ten war season. Jonathan
Speaker 1: India on the Royals one of the first transactions of
Speaker 1: this offseason. So yeah, hey, Royals trying to make a
Speaker 1: former weakness of strength in the back end of their bullpen.
Speaker 1: Lucas Ersag one of the breakout players of the past year.
Speaker 1: Two in the bullpen. Carlos Estevez just a moose of
Speaker 1: a man two four five ERA last year, fifty five innings,
Speaker 1: twenty six saves, so like that for them. There's a
Speaker 1: lot more. You heard the sadness in me about Jorge
Speaker 1: Polanco because if he had signed with the Reds or
Speaker 1: the Yankees, I think I'd be buying Jorge planco stock.
Speaker 1: But he signed with the place that had an article
Speaker 1: come out that said maybe hitters can't here. Don't love that.
Speaker 1: There were some other ones, you know, Adam Kennedy, We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to. I mentioned Tommy, Yeah, Adam Frazier. I
Speaker 1: keep calling him Adam Kennedy.
Speaker 3: Right, no offense.
Speaker 1: Although Adam Kennedy had some big boy years, I hated
Speaker 1: his batting stance whenever, whenever, the whenever they were playing
Speaker 1: the Halos, I was just like, I don't like this.
Speaker 3: I just don't like looking at that.
Speaker 1: Just don't like this. Honestly, the big news news from
Speaker 1: the sports world, which I know that's not why a
Speaker 1: lot of y'all y'all run here to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but it was like news news because it's a historic
Speaker 1: NBA trade. Luka Doncic in the middle of the night
Speaker 1: shipped out to the Lakers for Anthony Davis, Max Christie
Speaker 1: in a first round pick. Maxi Kleeb of going back
Speaker 1: that Utah got him involved. Some some funny tweets about that.
Speaker 1: I like the Danny h just getting involved in every
Speaker 1: trade like a crack addict. Man, this was historic. I
Speaker 1: want to say it was pretty cool. Well A, it
Speaker 1: was cool seeing like Twitter still works like that. Sometimes
Speaker 1: Twitter needed a night like that. The Internet twenty four
Speaker 1: hours like that. Yes, the the internet just ran so
Speaker 1: hot to trot and uh, it's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: NBA players to be traded ever. It's one of the
Speaker 1: NBA players traded in their prime ever. And I think
Speaker 1: the thing that got everyone it just it was a
Speaker 1: pure surprise. There was no speculation. There's normally that's what
Speaker 1: the NBA is good at. It's like the drama and
Speaker 1: the build up, like Jimmy Butler was trying to do it.
Speaker 1: There were some funny tweets about that. I think I
Speaker 1: think it was worldwide. Wob that post is like Jimmy
Speaker 1: Butler's gonna have to crash a cruise ship to get
Speaker 1: this kind of attention. That, yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was for an NBA trade of a superstar to
Speaker 4: superstars really with no request like like what like sometimes
Speaker 4: we've gotten like a oh yeah, he asked a few
Speaker 4: weeks ago, said like, I won't resign whatever, Like nothing
Speaker 4: like for the star to get surprised by this on
Speaker 4: both ends.
Speaker 2: There hasn't happened in a very long time.
Speaker 1: There was no drama. That almost led to more drama
Speaker 1: in the fact that there was no build up for it.
Speaker 1: The internet is now cranking. There's so many theories because
Speaker 1: on surface level, it just doesn't make sense for a
Speaker 1: player like Luca to be traded. I know Cale Bridges
Speaker 1: has been getting brought up because I think there was
Speaker 1: five first round picks in that trade. What's the other one?
Speaker 1: Everyone keeps referencing there.
Speaker 3: Was Rudy Gobert was five.
Speaker 1: Go bear. It is ignoring Anthony Davis, which has been
Speaker 1: over ignored to a degree. Like I was laughing. I
Speaker 1: shout out to Russillo and Simmons, like they they went
Speaker 1: live when it happens. It's kind of cool we do
Speaker 1: that for baseball. They got basketball, and the fact that
Speaker 1: those guys who you know legends, they still get that
Speaker 1: juice of going live. That was pretty cool. Like Bill
Speaker 1: Simmons was like, you know, I had Luca's number four
Speaker 1: on my NBA trade list, that just came out and
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis was number eleven. I think so Again, I
Speaker 1: know NBA works differently, like the top six in the
Speaker 1: NBA kind of really normally control the league, and that's
Speaker 1: that next six also still really good. But it's just
Speaker 1: there's levels to this, I would say. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: it's what don't we know? And there's every theory in
Speaker 1: every direction is going Did do they actually really hate
Speaker 1: Luca and think he's gonna be a fatty? That's kind
Speaker 1: of insane to me. Do they just dislike Luca and
Speaker 1: they don't think it's gonna work and they see a
Speaker 1: Joel Embiid turn coming or something that's crazy? He's twenty
Speaker 1: five and there hasn't really been signs of that. Are
Speaker 1: the new owners scared to actually pay anyone money? That
Speaker 1: would be the craziest for me. In a league that
Speaker 1: has like essentially a floor and a ceiling, you're gonna
Speaker 1: pay someone, why not? Why not pay the twenty five
Speaker 1: year old superstar? Are they trying to move the team
Speaker 1: like that? Rumor's coming out now that we don't know
Speaker 1: what we don't know? The only original theory I came
Speaker 1: up with is that, like Luca really wants to be
Speaker 1: in Miami or New York, or he wants to be
Speaker 1: like Jordan number two and go to Chicago or something
Speaker 1: that they would trade him knowing he's gonna leave in
Speaker 1: free agency in a year and a half, which then
Speaker 1: it would be on the Lakers due diligence side to
Speaker 1: be like, how did this happen? They didn't shop them,
Speaker 1: They didn't shop them.
Speaker 3: Like even if it came down to like.
Speaker 5: The Mavericks are dying for ad and it seems like
Speaker 5: they genuinely like targeted him. They think his value not
Speaker 5: far off from Lucas and Simmons list would say he
Speaker 5: isn't for that far off. But even if that's what
Speaker 5: you want, Like the Lakers had two tradeable unprotected picks
Speaker 5: and they didn't get both of those. They didn't get
Speaker 5: like the young you can play them right now, guys,
Speaker 5: really all due respect Max Christie, but the Lakers have
Speaker 5: a couple interesting, movable young pieces that like, it doesn't
Speaker 5: make sense to not shop it around, say it to
Speaker 5: many other teams and get the very most you can,
Speaker 5: even if you know in your heart like we're doing
Speaker 5: this Lakers trade for reasons X y Z.
Speaker 2: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: The non shopping thing is bizarre to me. It's just
Speaker 1: tough to fathom what that would be out about in
Speaker 1: any under any circumstances. Again, it feels like the true
Speaker 1: story is untold here. And maybe the Dallas gm who
Speaker 1: people had liked his moves up until this point, maybe
Speaker 1: he just really thinks he knows ball and that they
Speaker 1: think they're gonna have the best defense with Anthony Davis,
Speaker 1: and that's the solution either way. Value wise, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense why you wouldn't get more picks. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The last time a trade happened like this was kind
Speaker 1: of Rudy Gobert and the Timberwolves got killed.
Speaker 3: Like like when you say like this, I mean like
Speaker 3: with one team just getting killed.
Speaker 1: Like the reaction was so negative, Like the fact that
Speaker 1: they got Rudy Gobert wasn't the story. It was the
Speaker 1: fact they got fleeced, like to give up that many picks,
Speaker 1: Like people Walker Kessler was in that trade that they
Speaker 1: were like, I don't know, Walker Kessler gets you eighty
Speaker 1: percent of Go Bear and now you've got five first
Speaker 1: round picks. Like everyone was like, what is this deal?
Speaker 1: What is happening here? And then the Timberwolves had their
Speaker 1: best time playing basketball that the Minnesota Timberwolves have ever had.
Speaker 1: I know it ended up falling short, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see the next steps with Dallas and
Speaker 1: all this because the Lakers step is the Lakers step,
Speaker 1: Like I know it drives the Boston guys nuts, but
Speaker 1: the Laker's gone. Lakers stars are gonna end up there.
Speaker 1: Their team is at LA, They're like the most famous
Speaker 1: NBA franchise in the world. Things are going to work
Speaker 1: out for them. It was funny listen to Simmons roll
Speaker 1: through it and he started in the sixties with Wilt.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, man, love it, but I don't have
Speaker 1: that in my bag. Let's see. Maybe Dallas has a
Speaker 1: master plan, maybe they don't. Maybe there's funny business involved.
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I'm excited for the rest of
Speaker 1: the story to come out. But it was a fun
Speaker 1: day to be a sportsperson and just like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm unfortunately the king of group chats. No shout out
Speaker 1: to no shout out to Jess's mom who just starts
Speaker 1: random ones weekly. Hey, we just upgraded our fireplace. Do
Speaker 1: not put me in that chat.
Speaker 3: Certainly don't start a new one.
Speaker 1: I don't know, eight out of ten numbers in here
Speaker 1: and they're just your friends.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean she think they're sending individually.
Speaker 1: No, No, she's starting to party every time. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was four or five group chats cranking
Speaker 1: on this trade. And yeah, I still feel like there's
Speaker 1: just a don't know factor that it's hard for me
Speaker 1: to believe that. Okay, I guess it's not hard for
Speaker 1: me to think MAVs just like hate Luca that relationship
Speaker 1: broke up, But no, it still doesn't make sense. Why
Speaker 1: would if they hated Luca, why would they not shop
Speaker 1: around for the best package.
Speaker 3: You still get the best package you?
Speaker 1: Why would they trade him to the Lakers? Like, unless
Speaker 1: they're all bought in on Ad being a full blown
Speaker 1: the star that people used to kind of talk about
Speaker 1: Ad being, which he has these moments. But I saw,
Speaker 1: like I was reading an article and they called them
Speaker 1: Anthony Street closed Davis, which I was like, WHOA should
Speaker 1: I be reading this articles? Feels mean, so I stopped
Speaker 1: reading that article. I don't know, it's it's where the
Speaker 1: NBA still wins. They have true stars. Luka Doncic is
Speaker 1: like an international star. Anthony Davis has a TV show
Speaker 1: coming out HM that Yeah, I know for the NBA
Speaker 1: that's been struggling with their day and day out, watch
Speaker 1: this game. Who's playing? Does it MA playing? Adam Silver's
Speaker 1: talking about shortening the games. The NBA has this in
Speaker 1: their back, like the NFL doesn't have this. The NFL
Speaker 1: doesn't have this. This is drama, this is gossip, this
Speaker 1: is ooh, spill the tea, Like, what is the story?
Speaker 1: Is Luca fat? Like that's That's one of the rumors
Speaker 1: with this, that the NBA has stars and international power
Speaker 1: that it's tough to match. Baseball has the regional thing
Speaker 1: going on, and we'll see if we can make stars
Speaker 1: and maybe they don't need to make stars and then
Speaker 1: NFL is just king of the world. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: watch spike Ball or blitz Ball or something like that.
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Speaker 6: Have you ever been to the Big Easy?
Speaker 1: I've been to New Orleans. Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 6: You know where to go? No?
Speaker 1: Never, So I we'll peel back the curtain a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's it's you, me and I guy Kyle from Socials.
Speaker 1: I guess Kyle's evolved a little bit as a human.
Speaker 1: I think his his wife is making him eat like
Speaker 1: normal food. But you two, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: you have no regards for human life. I'm I'm so
Speaker 1: worried about what we're gonna eat. Oh, I'll just put
Speaker 1: it out on the table. I'm so. It's a city,
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Strength is like food like it's jazz music
Speaker 1: and food like we have like morble day there. Do
Speaker 1: you want to eat real food? Because I've assumed no,
Speaker 1: what do you mean real food? Like there's like nice restaurants.
Speaker 6: I want to go. I want to go where we're
Speaker 6: supposed to go.
Speaker 1: That's he really wants you to tell him you're looking
Speaker 1: for gumbo. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7: I guess your definition of real food in my definition
Speaker 7: of real food probably two very different.
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
Speaker 6: I think this is the problem.
Speaker 7: But you're thinking like human food, right, I'm thinking like
Speaker 7: I want to stuff my face while it's here.
Speaker 1: It's also like we're traveling, we're doing work stuff, we're
Speaker 1: going to be on the move that I'm I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a bad die weekend for.
Speaker 6: Us, but it will be.
Speaker 1: That's for a lot of people with the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: the big Game? What where does it start? Panick, you
Speaker 1: were gonna quiz me on a to start what the
Speaker 1: line of the game was, So start there. The Chiefs
Speaker 1: are favored by a point and a half, and you
Speaker 1: that doesn't pass the panic test.
Speaker 7: I was shocked to see that this was the initial
Speaker 7: line number one. And it hasn't moved, It hasn't swayed anywhere,
Speaker 7: and hey, it's still still a long week. Both of
Speaker 7: these teams are relatively healthy, which is very good for them.
Speaker 7: One of the reasons why both of these teams are
Speaker 7: here is because they are relatively healthy. Allah Detroit Lions
Speaker 7: going down. But I want to get your thoughts and
Speaker 7: reactions because I would think that this would be at
Speaker 7: least Chiefs minus three and a half neutral field, and
Speaker 7: I think that kind of matters.
Speaker 1: You're going the other way.
Speaker 6: I'm going the other way.
Speaker 7: I think the Chiefs would be favored by I mean,
Speaker 7: this is basically a pick them. Point and a half
Speaker 7: is a freckham. So I think that's Vegas has a
Speaker 7: lot of respect for the Eagles here. Really, if the
Speaker 7: Chiefs win by one, that's field goal, yeah, and the
Speaker 7: Eagles cover the point. Can you imagine that? But I
Speaker 7: mean this is a you know, two teams where they've
Speaker 7: played a lot of close games. I mean, the Eagles
Speaker 7: are eight and two in record and close games, and
Speaker 7: it's it's like, that's like the Chiefs thing. They're eleven
Speaker 7: to zero record in close games this year and they're
Speaker 7: like under feet in the their last X amount of
Speaker 7: games over the last how many years of their records
Speaker 7: in close games. That's kind of what they do. So
Speaker 7: what did you have a reaction like I did when
Speaker 7: you first saw this line, being like this is close?
Speaker 1: I guess zooming out and zooming back in. I've liked
Speaker 1: the Eagles for a little while. I went so this
Speaker 1: over the course of this football season kind of leaving
Speaker 1: the Chiefs is a blank space Taylor Swizt. I liked
Speaker 1: the Ravens early on this year when they were running
Speaker 1: the ball and just dominating. I was like, this is unstoppable.
Speaker 1: I forget which game it was, but they lost me.
Speaker 1: They they I came off the hook. I forget. It's
Speaker 1: like their third loss or their fourth thoughts. I was
Speaker 1: just like, something's it's not fully there. I think maybe
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton got hurt that game, and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: how much of this defense depends on Kyle Hamilton. They
Speaker 1: ended up moving him to safety and that was for
Speaker 1: better for worser, but also the AFC was stacked the thing.
Speaker 1: So then I audibled to the Chiefs because sure Derrick
Speaker 1: Henry can put up that two bills on you very easily.
Speaker 1: I genuinely think, I genuinely think this, in my heart
Speaker 1: of hearts. If the Eagles ran the ball every time,
Speaker 1: they'd be fine. I genuinely think that that they ended
Speaker 1: up landing back in their sweet spot. When the Eagles
Speaker 1: were two and two, they became like a Hurts passing
Speaker 1: team for a little bit, and that was so bizarre
Speaker 1: to me. Like hurts his We've talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit, Hurts his accuracy impressed me the year he
Speaker 1: broke out. I was like, wow, he can drop it
Speaker 1: every bucket. Everything worked, and that's the whole secret. They
Speaker 1: run the ball. They're unstoppable on third and short and
Speaker 1: fourth and short.
Speaker 6: Push just can't be.
Speaker 1: They've got the best offensive line. They now have the
Speaker 1: best running back with Hurts. That okay, if you do
Speaker 1: everything to stop that, all right, good luck going man
Speaker 1: to man on DeVante and aj Brown, your guy Goddard.
Speaker 1: That whole story. But yeah, that is the Eagles formula
Speaker 1: that they whatever happened, they reminded themselves of that and
Speaker 1: they are back that I guess with all of that
Speaker 1: being said, the fact that the Chiefs are back, yeah,
Speaker 1: they've won two super Bowls. They have the bad man
Speaker 1: at quarterback, they got the bad man at head coach.
Speaker 1: Those are the two differences. Like Andy Reid and Sirianni.
Speaker 1: I know Sirianni's regular season stats are incredible. Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: I hold in a much higher class Jalen Hurts and
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes. This isn't also necessarily shots fire because we're
Speaker 1: talking about Mahomes and Reed are two guys that are
Speaker 1: going to be top three at their position.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I mean they're on the brink of doing something that's
Speaker 7: never been done in football before with the three pizza.
Speaker 1: Like Andy's like Andy's kind of chasing down Belichick. Probably
Speaker 1: not overall super bowls, but let's see what happens.
Speaker 3: Just run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Mahomes is Mahomes and he's had an
Speaker 1: argument for the thrown from the start that I think
Speaker 1: Sirianni is good for the Eagles. They play with this
Speaker 1: weird angry we all hate each other. Let's use it
Speaker 1: on the field or usually three of the quarters and
Speaker 1: then one quarter You're looking at them and like, is
Speaker 1: this a good team? That yes, the chief should be favored.
Speaker 1: I guess I was surprised. I thought you were gonna
Speaker 1: go the other way, like the Eagles are a better
Speaker 1: football team. Vegas is just doing this off Mahomes.
Speaker 7: Or who is a you can who is a better
Speaker 7: football team, because maybe you can argue the Eagles are
Speaker 7: more talented. They have the edge running back, they have
Speaker 7: the edgeit receiver. They do not have the edge of quarterback.
Speaker 7: The Chiefs have the edge there offensive line. You definitely
Speaker 7: give that to the Eagles. The Chiefs have a guard
Speaker 7: playing tackle right now, tight end close, tight end close.
Speaker 3: I would give it.
Speaker 7: I would give you because postseason Travis Kilts they were
Speaker 7: keeping him and he's had two weeks off. Now we're
Speaker 7: going to see him look like Jason Witten be so
Speaker 7: slow that he's fast. We're definitely going to see one
Speaker 7: of those plays. That's that's where Kelsey's at in his career.
Speaker 4: D line.
Speaker 6: I think I would.
Speaker 1: Still take into I want to stop I want to
Speaker 1: stop you after that offensive analysis. Oh yeah, that's because
Speaker 1: it is. It was funny, I forget. I think it
Speaker 1: was Aikman on one of the Eagles games was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know how many quarterbacks would like this Eagles opportunity?
Speaker 1: M hmm, you got everybody else, which becomes a whole
Speaker 1: Hurts conversation, and maybe we'll do that later.
Speaker 7: I guess how about this which defense is better? Everybody
Speaker 7: does talk about Saquon being added to the Eagles. I
Speaker 7: was like, Oh, that's the big X factor. The big
Speaker 7: X factor for the Philadelphia Eagles is that they went
Speaker 7: from having the last defense in the league last year
Speaker 7: being the worst defense.
Speaker 6: Is that now that they're I.
Speaker 7: Think they've they've had they have a top three defense
Speaker 7: in the National Football League. That's why they're in the
Speaker 7: Super Bowl. Saquon Barkley is a great you know, you
Speaker 7: put the cherry on top. They've always been able to
Speaker 7: run the ball well, and Saquon Barkley is a whole
Speaker 7: other weapon that we could talk about. But really it's
Speaker 7: which defense is better regular season wise? It's the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 7: But who do I want being the coordinator for my
Speaker 7: defense and.
Speaker 6: The Super Bowl? Steve Ball?
Speaker 1: Oh, here we go. That's why this.
Speaker 6: Game is so fascinating. Okay, here we go.
Speaker 7: That's why this game is so fascinating because these are
Speaker 7: two boring teams, Jake in a way.
Speaker 6: In a way, they're boring.
Speaker 7: Yes, I think this is going to be I'm hoping
Speaker 7: it's going to be a good football game. And I'm
Speaker 7: hoping it's not just ah, this team is going to
Speaker 7: make too many mistakes. I'm hoping both of these teams
Speaker 7: basically virtually play almost mistake free football, and then it
Speaker 7: comes down to the end of who's going to have
Speaker 7: the ball last? And can you get a stop, can
Speaker 7: you get a strip sack? Can somebody make a play
Speaker 7: in a moment. That's what I'm hoping the game kind
Speaker 7: of comes down to. But these two teams, Jake.
Speaker 6: They're boring.
Speaker 7: They kind of methodically go after you, go after you,
Speaker 7: go after you. The differences. Saquon Barkley can take the
Speaker 7: top off at any time when typically that's what we
Speaker 7: talk about with quarterbacks. Typically we talk about the quarterback
Speaker 7: can throw the ball forty fifty yards down the field.
Speaker 7: Now it's Saquon Barkley running the ball. So your original
Speaker 7: question was defense.
Speaker 6: I don't know, man. I love Vic Vangil.
Speaker 7: Sure, he was one of the Pagnolo And yes, Vangil
Speaker 7: we talked, we would talk about on a football today
Speaker 7: about how like that would be. Like he's like the
Speaker 7: Eagles X factor heading into this year, probably the most
Speaker 7: important addition that they made to their offseason, which was
Speaker 7: an incredible offseason.
Speaker 1: But isn't the stat out there Mahomes is eight and
Speaker 1: zero against Vick Vangio teams. Do you care about that?
Speaker 1: How much I do? How much of that is bad
Speaker 1: Broncos team?
Speaker 7: He was, He was even an advisor for that for
Speaker 7: like two weeks, right, they hired him as an advisor
Speaker 7: before that. Twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: My favorite parts of the NFL season when guys get
Speaker 1: acts and then they're just like he's on the team.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I get the Eric Weddle effect, Right, We're just
Speaker 7: gonna air Eric Weddle and he's going to be around
Speaker 7: for a hot second team.
Speaker 5: See.
Speaker 1: I feel like McDaniels did that once when he got
Speaker 1: fired that it was like, all right, he's basically offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: but not he is there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so I'm going I can't even answer the questions
Speaker 7: I didn't. I can't because you're talking Spags who's the
Speaker 7: man and brings pressure and does any key situations and
Speaker 7: he throws curveballs and knows exactly what you're trying to do.
Speaker 7: But then he got Vic Vangiel, who's been the man
Speaker 7: this year, right, and he's not going to bring that pressure.
Speaker 1: So we don't have a best defense because they're both
Speaker 1: really good, Jake, Are these the two best defenses? When
Speaker 1: you said top three whom I who am I missing?
Speaker 7: The Broncos had a really good defense this year, but
Speaker 7: the talent wise, they're not competing for the league.
Speaker 6: They're not competing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I would The Vikings defense was legit, legit this year.
Speaker 1: Brian Flores.
Speaker 7: But I would put you know, number numbers wise this year,
Speaker 7: like if you want to look at the numbers, it's
Speaker 7: the Chiefs didn't have like that top.
Speaker 6: Were they even top ten?
Speaker 1: So how about this?
Speaker 6: But they are? They just are really good.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's the top two defense, one A, one B. Yes.
Speaker 1: So then it goes back to the offensive side of
Speaker 1: the ball, where you essentially listed everything tilts the Eagles
Speaker 1: way except the quarterback. Its huge, just the big one.
Speaker 1: And I mean, if we're getting into play calling Sirianni
Speaker 1: versus Reid again, if you're a Sirianni hater or not,
Speaker 1: it's Andy Reid on the other sideline that you know.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's funny when you start winning, some
Speaker 1: of your previous losses look better, Like Andy Reid's Philadelphia
Speaker 1: days look a lot better now that I think. It's like, wait,
Speaker 1: was he how much? How much was Andy doing for
Speaker 1: Donovan and Deuce some of the best teams ever?
Speaker 6: Not true?
Speaker 1: But so okay, you are Vegas. You said three, and
Speaker 1: so you think the defense are so equal you can
Speaker 1: you can barely pick them.
Speaker 6: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: The Eagles have a better offense everywhere except quarterback by
Speaker 1: a chunk, tight end by a little. And you're saying
Speaker 1: the chief should be bigger favorites in this Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: It's because of Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 7: Okay, over over Jalen Hurts for me, makes sense. It's
Speaker 7: it's because of Patrick Mahomes. I trust, I trust Patrick
Speaker 7: Mahomes to be efficient. It's gonna be dnk and dunk.
Speaker 7: It's not gonna be well. Mahomes is gonna hold onto
Speaker 7: the ball for five, six, seven seconds and maybe he
Speaker 7: finds Justin Watson down there for forty five yards Like
Speaker 7: that's what I'm thinking, can maybe come. But I'm not
Speaker 7: predicting Mahomes to sling it around the yard. I'm gonna
Speaker 7: predict dink and dunk. The average aft of target's gonna
Speaker 7: be low. That's what Mahomes is. Last two Super Bowls
Speaker 7: basically have been because Mahomes has had to evolve as
Speaker 7: a quarterback. Because the godfather of the too high safety
Speaker 7: Vic Fangio defense is Vicvangil. He's the godfather of all
Speaker 7: he He's not going to allow Mahomes to do that.
Speaker 7: So you're gonna have to be perfect, and Mahomes has
Speaker 7: evolved to be so good at it. Where he was
Speaker 7: so good at the explosive stuff, where now he's so
Speaker 7: good at being efficient drinking and dunking. Even though we're
Speaker 7: gonna run twelve thirteen, fourteen plays in a drive, we're
Speaker 7: still gonna find a way to put seven points on
Speaker 7: the board. And I just trust that that's more sustainable
Speaker 7: for the Chiefs because everybody's waited for you know, their
Speaker 7: luck's gonna run out and they're not gonna be able
Speaker 7: to keep this up. I trust that they're gonna be
Speaker 7: able to keep that up since they've done that for
Speaker 7: basically the last two years. Then we're gonna be waiting
Speaker 7: for a sake. One Barkley forty fifty yard run in
Speaker 7: the second half. It's what they've kind of banked on,
Speaker 7: even though it is dangerous pushback. No, because Hurts did
Speaker 7: play very well in the championship game, and that's the
Speaker 7: one like you can throw shit in my face because
Speaker 7: Hurts did look legit during that championship game.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm gonna do that about Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: making losing the Super Bowl the lox ring on his phone?
Speaker 1: How important is that?
Speaker 6: It's the stuff on Diggs effects.
Speaker 1: Just watching the confetti that has landed in such a
Speaker 1: crazy places. I know the internet's done well with those jokes.
Speaker 1: But there's there's a guy that lost like the Cheese
Speaker 1: Its Bowl and was standing on the nail and all right,
Speaker 1: I can't do that.
Speaker 3: Kevin and I one of our softball team loss.
Speaker 5: He said, you'll get a picture of me watching them celebrating.
Speaker 1: So, okay, that's landed in a good spot. Coaches goes
Speaker 1: to Kansas City. Yes, yes, yes, Coaches goes to Kansas City.
Speaker 1: I guess besides the obvious stuff that dictates a football game, turnovers,
Speaker 1: the one or two big plays, the Chiefs so line
Speaker 1: being able to survive, is it I mean, is it
Speaker 1: also just games gripped? Like in my head, if if
Speaker 1: the Eagles go up fourteen to three, look out, that
Speaker 1: should be the end of the game. I think any
Speaker 1: twelve year old that plays enough Madden would be able
Speaker 1: to take that Eagles team to win the rest of
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 7: You gotta be salivating if you're two six salivating. Do
Speaker 7: you know what his first half second half splits.
Speaker 1: Look like, Saquon Yeah, not off the top of my head.
Speaker 7: No yards per attempt in the first half is four
Speaker 7: point eight. It's good that explodes to six point seven
Speaker 7: in the second half. It's great, I Matt, imagine touching
Speaker 7: the football right and for half of the game. In
Speaker 7: all of the games that you play this year, you're
Speaker 7: almost getting seven yards per carry. Seven that's insane. He
Speaker 7: has over a thousand, one, two hundred and forty five
Speaker 7: rushing yards in the second half alone this year. Didn't
Speaker 7: even get to eight hundred in the first half. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, it's just crazy what he's been able to do.
Speaker 7: And I think that's been it's been blown up more
Speaker 7: in the postseason because how often did you see in
Speaker 7: that Rams game it was the second half, big run,
Speaker 7: So Philly g it's gone. The splits may even be
Speaker 7: more in the postseason. So but yeah, if if you're
Speaker 7: the Kansas City Chiefs and you're down fourteen to three
Speaker 7: and it's like, oh man, well that that bad man
Speaker 7: two six is only is only getting heaten up, that's
Speaker 7: a that's a bad sign. And if you have to
Speaker 7: have Patrick Mahomes like thirty five thirty three forty attempts,
Speaker 7: that's not really the area that you want to be in.
Speaker 1: Did you hang out with Saquon wasn't there a thing
Speaker 1: you guys were gonna meet at a camp?
Speaker 7: Or yeah, well there be dmmed because I recreated his
Speaker 7: h his his workout picture when he was kind of
Speaker 7: holding out for the Giants. So then I, you know,
Speaker 7: he had a panther tattoo. That was a new addition
Speaker 7: that nobody saw. So I printed out a picture of
Speaker 7: a panther and I put it on my chest and
Speaker 7: then I put my giant's helmet on and I just
Speaker 7: recreated the picture and then I kind of he like
Speaker 7: retweeted it. So I was like, all right, so let's
Speaker 7: so let's meet up somewhere and let's let's make some
Speaker 7: continent and he and then DMed me it's like when
Speaker 7: and where?
Speaker 1: Never happened. Yeah, he reached out to me. It's nice
Speaker 1: to send that when and where? But the follow up, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the tricky part.
Speaker 7: That's when you know, it's like, oh, this is sick
Speaker 7: one Barkley that just reached out to me. Hands start
Speaker 7: to shake a little bit.
Speaker 6: Never happened.
Speaker 7: So I saw him at the Lions training camp later
Speaker 7: that year. This was his last year on the Giants.
Speaker 7: So I'm at the Lions camp later that year. You know,
Speaker 7: he knows he I.
Speaker 6: Don't know him, but he knows me. I know him. Blah,
Speaker 6: blah blah.
Speaker 7: I'm like when we when we were gonna do it
Speaker 7: caven Point, Jersey City because that's where he had the
Speaker 7: football camp. And he's like, huh, there are some people
Speaker 7: that are so famous that they don't know where they're going,
Speaker 7: Like where where do I have to go?
Speaker 6: Where do I have to be? I don't know where
Speaker 6: I am right now?
Speaker 7: Show up and be s Yeah, I like I could
Speaker 7: be in Massachusetts right now. He probably had no idea
Speaker 7: where he was.
Speaker 1: It's worked for Philly. Hey, I've got the list. I
Speaker 1: made a joke to you before we started recording of
Speaker 1: do you like George carloftis one hundred and one twin
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP? I'm not going to play Do you
Speaker 1: like this odds for Super Bowl MVP? I guess I
Speaker 1: want to make up our own game. Let's do a
Speaker 1: scale of one to ten, One being nightmare lose the game.
Speaker 1: Who's the guy the onside kick that he botched it?
Speaker 6: Oh sugar.
Speaker 1: Jimmy, isn't he married to someone famous? Ten being best
Speaker 1: Super Bowl Game ever? Unmatched performance? Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 6: Patrick Mahomes like, what kind of game do you do?
Speaker 1: What do you? What do you? Or no? What do
Speaker 1: you expect like with it's the Super Bowl with the
Speaker 1: Eagles defense, like are they going to be able to
Speaker 1: run the ball at all? Like with all the factors in,
Speaker 1: I guess, what what game are you expecting from Mahomes?
Speaker 1: Are you expecting at ten? Are you expecting like a
Speaker 1: seven and that's going to be enough to get it done.
Speaker 7: I'm predicting like I would go like six and a
Speaker 7: half seven Where that first up bolt that they had
Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two, I think he had like one
Speaker 7: hundred and eighty two passing yards. Now he had three
Speaker 7: passing touchdowns, so that's like, Okay, your box scorer, your
Speaker 7: QB rating, it's all gonna be elevated with that. But
Speaker 7: he was efficient with less than two hundred passing yards.
Speaker 7: And I can see a similar ish performance from Patrick
Speaker 7: Mahomes because I think that's just who the Chiefs are
Speaker 7: right now. Last year he did throw the ball thirty
Speaker 7: three times and he had I think maybe over three
Speaker 7: hundred passing yards. So it's like you had the box
Speaker 7: score sets, there was just more volume from Mahomes. But
Speaker 7: I just don't think against the Eagles and how they're
Speaker 7: gonna play you defensively, I just don't think it's gonna
Speaker 7: be that. So we're not gonna see like a ten
Speaker 7: out of ten game box score wise for Mahomes. It
Speaker 7: may be really efficient, but I think overall people would
Speaker 7: land it's like, yeah, that was a seven performance, like
Speaker 7: you said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think again, with how good this Eagles
Speaker 1: defense is, there's some plays that are gonna be losses. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and throw it away or scramble for one yard or whatever.
Speaker 1: Sekwon Barkley on his birthday, Barkley.
Speaker 7: I think Chris Rose told me, uh, players that are
Speaker 7: playing on their birthday in the super Bowl or ten
Speaker 7: and four all time, that's exist but don't matter. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it might matter, Yeah twenty nine. Do you think big game?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think he could have. I think
Speaker 7: he he's gonna if the Eagles win, he's winning Super
Speaker 7: Bowl MVP. It's not gonna be hurts. It's it's gonna
Speaker 7: be saque like he's gonna he's gonna break one forty
Speaker 7: fifty yards in the second hand. There's going to be
Speaker 7: a big Saquon Barkley play probably will come in the
Speaker 7: second half, and that's what we'll put them over the
Speaker 7: top because there there is no like there is no
Speaker 7: other threat for explosive plays. Hey Jay could, yeah could,
Speaker 7: but that hasn't been consistent, right. Sekwon Barkley has been
Speaker 7: the on both of these teams, which is a crazy
Speaker 7: thing to say when you have Jay Hurts, AJ Brown,
Speaker 7: Devonte Smith, Xavier Worthy, DeAndre Hopkins, Travis Kelcey like all
Speaker 7: these names. Saquon Barkley has been the only consistent play presence,
Speaker 7: the only consistent big play presence that's happened this year,
Speaker 7: which is a crazy thing to say when you're in
Speaker 7: the Super Bowl with the two best teams that the
Speaker 7: running back is providing them.
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts, h, he's kind of the whole deal. Huh
Speaker 1: m hmm. Like it in hindsight, it sounds a little dumb, like, Okay, yeah, Saquon,
Speaker 1: I expect him to be pretty damn good. Like Saquon's
Speaker 1: not gonna throw up a thirteen for twenty five yards,
Speaker 1: like he literally can't. Mahomes. You know, he's gonna even
Speaker 1: if they it turns out they're slightly outmatched on offensive
Speaker 1: line or whatever. This is, Like, you know, Mahomes is
Speaker 1: gonna give you something. Jalen Hurts, Yeah, Jalen Hurts man,
Speaker 1: if he's taking how you remove Saqwon Barkley the from
Speaker 1: the situation. If you have Jalen Hurts, that's taking sacks.
Speaker 1: If you have Jalen Hurts, that's making bend mistakes, getting
Speaker 1: you kind of behind the sticks. That's gonna be the
Speaker 1: X factor here. Because I always view saque I always
Speaker 1: view Saquon Barkley and the Eagles running game. It's almost
Speaker 1: like the cherry on top. Like I said, the second half,
Speaker 1: where the formula is there. You mentioned the game script,
Speaker 1: it's already kind of there for you. So Saquon Barkley
Speaker 1: putting that forty to fifty yard touchdown run on the board,
Speaker 1: it's like, that's how the Eagles win the game. But
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts has got to be the bus that kind
Speaker 1: of gets you there. I'm a little the thing that
Speaker 1: I'm worried about. It's not necessarily even Jalen Hurts. It
Speaker 1: is Kellen Moore, future Saints head coach.
Speaker 6: That's what they're waiting on.
Speaker 7: Kellen Moore is a little predictable, and Steve Spagnolo is
Speaker 7: not predictable. Right now, you're gonna have Manoemno with obviously
Speaker 7: the Eagles offensive line and you know the rushing game,
Speaker 7: which hey, you know, give the ball to Saquon Barkley
Speaker 7: every time and see what happens. Give the ball to
Speaker 7: even Kenny gainwell, when Saquon Barkley needs to come out
Speaker 7: of the game and just see what happens.
Speaker 6: Throw some screens here and there.
Speaker 7: But if you're gonna get too Jalen Hurts dependent Steve
Speaker 7: Spagnola was gonna make you make some mistakes. He's gonna
Speaker 7: put the quarterback on the ground, and then you're gonna
Speaker 7: play a game that you don't want to be playing.
Speaker 1: The Eagles. Hurts in Sirianni may have rope adoped us
Speaker 1: and we may have seen that last week against the
Speaker 1: Washington football team. Because everything we're saying about Jalen Hurts is,
Speaker 1: you know how good the Eagles are? Is he the
Speaker 1: weak laying blah blah blah. Jalen Hurts hasn't thrown an
Speaker 1: interception since November tenth, It's pretty damn good. Before that,
Speaker 1: he hadn't thrown an interception since September twenty ninth.
Speaker 6: It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: So over one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen games, he has one interception.
Speaker 7: The only thing that I get worried about is the sacks.
Speaker 7: It's the only thing I get worried about. That's fair
Speaker 7: Washington against the Ram. Yeah, that's that's the thing where
Speaker 7: I think the Rams did a very very good job
Speaker 7: of like you're you're even they're even bringing corners, they're
Speaker 7: bringing pressure. They're not necessarily bringing like five, six, seven
Speaker 7: guys constantly, but they're rushing four, but they have two
Speaker 7: guys dropping back, and you're bringing corners and safeties and
Speaker 7: just we don't know where we're looking. And that has
Speaker 7: been If there's one bugaboo with the Eagles offensive line,
Speaker 7: it's not their talent. It's the where we you know,
Speaker 7: this is Jason Kelcey leaving too. Where are we going
Speaker 7: to pick up our ship? You know, who's going to
Speaker 7: be able to call the Jalen Hurts has not a
Speaker 7: much better job of calling that out compared to last year.
Speaker 7: But I look at that seven sack game against the
Speaker 7: Rams being like, I think that is something the Chiefs
Speaker 7: can replicate.
Speaker 1: Are you taking the Chiefs?
Speaker 7: I have to for my own mental health, Yeah, I can't.
Speaker 7: I can't have number number one. I went to that
Speaker 7: Eagles Chiefs game. Joe's McFly and I we went to
Speaker 7: that Eagles, the Eagles Chiefstings, DraftKings so drifcakes. Why Why
Speaker 7: because because you allowed me to? Why because you were
Speaker 7: get it, you were preparing.
Speaker 1: Against the spread league. I couldn't go because it was
Speaker 1: a week before my wedding. Yeah, yeah, which I was
Speaker 1: Joe's one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Joe's goes.
Speaker 1: You want to tell the people about that trip at all.
Speaker 7: Joe's had a biblical sleep. That was the biggest thing
Speaker 7: that stuck out. He had like a fourteen hour.
Speaker 1: Feet update I got from potentially my first Super Bowl trip,
Speaker 1: maybe the only opportunity I'll have to go to the
Speaker 1: game because I'm not going to the game this year.
Speaker 1: The update I got was Joe slept for like twenty
Speaker 1: hours straight. It was biblical and justin what did you do?
Speaker 7: I went into a hot tub, had a mountain dew,
Speaker 7: smoked a scar.
Speaker 1: That's what I did, either my dream trip or my
Speaker 1: night in my trip. I guess I'll find out more soon.
Speaker 6: Who you go with? I have to go with the Chiefs.
Speaker 6: I just have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean me and BBD have a little bit
Speaker 1: of a rule that it's like when when there's dudes
Speaker 1: like this that are dude in, it's almost why why
Speaker 1: go against it?
Speaker 7: Do you root for like dynasties and like or you
Speaker 7: like nah, I want to see different winners.
Speaker 1: I'm surprisingly indifferent against it. I still where I'm I've
Speaker 1: found out I'm in. I don't know if it's the minority.
Speaker 1: I still enjoy reading Mahomes like the world has turned
Speaker 1: oh yeah on Pat in a big way. And the
Speaker 1: foul baiting. I've said it before. That's unreal and that
Speaker 1: can't happen and that's insane and that stinks. I still
Speaker 1: like Mahomes has lost a little bit of his shine
Speaker 1: because they don't have like Prime Kelsey, they don't have
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill like, they don't do the big crazy plays
Speaker 1: that that was kind of what Mahomes was built on.
Speaker 1: So I think losing that shine people hating successful people
Speaker 1: has ended up being a crazy formula that I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna look back in a couple of years and
Speaker 1: say it's gonna be one of those dumb sports arguments
Speaker 1: that are the best. Like, I think these past couple
Speaker 1: of years are gonna be Mahomes like Chef's kiss of work.
Speaker 1: Of like wait, old DeAndre Hopkins was running around back there,
Speaker 1: Kareem hunt.
Speaker 7: Because they're still gonna get better, and I still think
Speaker 7: they're going to upgrade the offensive line, and you're still
Speaker 7: looking at that receiver room being like they need work, and.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. At the same time, I've I've
Speaker 1: had the Eagles as my Super Bowl champs. All they've
Speaker 1: done is win outside of the last game of the season,
Speaker 1: though they didn't need They.
Speaker 6: Didn't even play their starters. They set no they won
Speaker 6: the list.
Speaker 1: Excuse me.
Speaker 6: I was there.
Speaker 1: I was there for the Washington game that they got
Speaker 1: their redemption on. You know, oh, I think it's one
Speaker 1: of those funny moments when it's like, all right, you
Speaker 1: gotta do it and put Noodle's life on the line
Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Don't do that, I'd go cheese,
Speaker 1: like I if I go down. And the Eagles are
Speaker 1: one of the most like dominant nasty teams in NFL,
Speaker 1: Like we can get any third and short, any fourth
Speaker 1: and short, we can, we could run it every play
Speaker 1: and win. I believe that.
Speaker 7: The Chiefs are also kind of like that too, except
Speaker 7: they don't have a sick one bar say run, but
Speaker 7: they did. I'm pretty sure at one point in the
Speaker 7: and what point in the year, they led the league
Speaker 7: in the most boring staff possible. They led the league
Speaker 7: in plays between four and nine yards total plays a
Speaker 7: four and nine yard four times three is twelve okay,
Speaker 7: first down, first down, first down, first and.
Speaker 6: Because it's what they do too.
Speaker 1: If I'm going down, I'm going down with Reid and
Speaker 1: Mahomes and not hurt. Sinciriani.
Speaker 6: That's like one and a half is crazy to me.
Speaker 1: I don't think it is because I think I think
Speaker 1: if this wasn't the Super Bowl, I think give me
Speaker 1: the Eagles. Like if this is just a normal football game,
Speaker 1: I think the Eagles are the better football team.
Speaker 6: But like.
Speaker 1: Andy's gonna have some plays up his sleeves hatas Pat's
Speaker 1: gonna pull some stuff out. Spagnolo is gonna have some
Speaker 1: stuff out. I don't know. I don't know what Sirianni's
Speaker 1: gonna have. Every time it seems like he has something,
Speaker 1: it's something I don't like, know what I like? Handoff
Speaker 1: Saquon go go hey, it's third and two. They should
Speaker 1: get every third and two they've ever come across, and
Speaker 1: they should get every third and three they've ever come across.
Speaker 1: Do you know how insane that is for an NFL team?
Speaker 1: Just no thought, that's nuts.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I would sometimes rather like a third and six because
Speaker 7: at least it's all right, well we have to throw
Speaker 7: the ball here, But like a third and three for
Speaker 7: a normal NFL it's like, oh do we run throw down?
Speaker 7: It's like they don't have to think about it, no thought.
Speaker 7: If you don't get it on third ball, we'll get
Speaker 7: it on fourth because we'll probably cut it in half anyway.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I yeah, for some reason, I do
Speaker 1: have a little Sirianni like dislike in me. I think
Speaker 1: Philadelphia also has sian like everyone thing, but he kind
Speaker 1: of like works for the team.
Speaker 6: Do you have a coach that you're what a good spider?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I still I still enjoy reading Mahomes
Speaker 1: and when the Super Bowl starts, I will be rooting
Speaker 1: for that. Are like, dude, can you if in that
Speaker 1: fourth quarter with a minute forty five on the clock,
Speaker 1: the Eagles punt it and Mahomes and them need a touchdown, you.
Speaker 7: Still believe oh yeah, down by four? Yeah, all right,
Speaker 7: they're gonna They're gonna do it.
Speaker 1: Old older Kelsey, excuse me, Xavier Worthy, DeAndre Hopkins.
Speaker 6: Red zone.
Speaker 7: They all kind of do what they need to do.
Speaker 7: DeAndre Hopkins is still a dude. He's not that. He
Speaker 7: may not be that dude, he's still I think he's
Speaker 7: a threat in the red zone. I think that's where
Speaker 7: you know, hey, you the crafty, crafty veteran can win
Speaker 7: and get open, get separation.
Speaker 6: Is the ever Worthy.
Speaker 7: You're gonna put him in motion before the snap and
Speaker 7: give him a running head start because nobody's gonna catch him.
Speaker 7: If you look at his uh his spray chart of
Speaker 7: how he kind of catches, you know, the next gen stuff,
Speaker 7: it's just lines that are going across the field and
Speaker 7: it's very and it's very fun.
Speaker 1: He's fast. He's gonna do that.
Speaker 6: Here's here's my wish for them.
Speaker 7: Okay, Pa Checko, unless we get hot, Kareem Hunt should
Speaker 7: be going has not been saying, has not been same
Speaker 7: since post injury. So but Kareem hunts like feeling it. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean you've had two weeks, so we'll see. But
Speaker 7: that that's a little bit of a worry. It's like, oh,
Speaker 7: Pa check O, this is our guy, this is our
Speaker 7: every one he's he's done it in the Super Bowls before.
Speaker 7: If we're relying on him a little too much, give
Speaker 7: the ball cream on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess those early Pacheco carries will be interesting.
Speaker 1: If he comes out and he has two of those,
Speaker 1: like mad Man carries, It's like, Okay, that changes the
Speaker 1: equation just a little bit. Just still running, tackled and
Speaker 1: still running.
Speaker 7: You know, I compare it. Do you remember when I
Speaker 7: ran with my neck of the combine? That's how Pacheco runs, Right,
Speaker 7: I've tried to forget that, but I do so I
Speaker 7: try and compare my running style to him and a
Speaker 7: mob Breschwa.
Speaker 1: Well you got coming up this week before we head
Speaker 1: to New Orleans on Friday?
Speaker 7: Boy, Yeah, we have a Football Today episode that's out
Speaker 7: on Monday, February third, probably have another one on Friday
Speaker 7: preview in the game Trivion Jam Football. I'm working on
Speaker 7: a tier on a tier list and a tear maker
Speaker 7: right now of MVP Super Bowl MVPs. Since the year
Speaker 7: two thousand, Jolly I'll have did something similar on his channel,
Speaker 7: So I'm trying to work on that too, and uh whatever,
Speaker 7: social stuff we got going on on jam football, socials.
Speaker 7: That's what I that's what we got a lot of
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff happening this week.
Speaker 1: I will see you the rest of this week, and
Speaker 1: then I will see you at the New Orleans.
Speaker 6: Airporleans, New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Because you're a Jersey man and I'm a city boy.
Speaker 1: It's just different flights. I'm excited to be down there.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to feel the super Bowl, especially like super
Speaker 1: Bowl New Orleans. Like that's that's a thing, that's a feeling.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to get down there. Thank you, JP.
Speaker 1: I might even have BBD tell him about your uncle
Speaker 1: Dan real quick.
Speaker 6: We can.
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