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Speaker 1: This is The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Final Hour on this beautiful Tuesday from the South side

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Speaker 2: of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania at the upmc rooney Sports Complex, day

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Speaker 2: number four of OTA's for our special three hour edition

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Speaker 2: of The Drive. Of course, Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson,

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Speaker 2: this is their program. I am helping and assisting throughout

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Speaker 2: this process a little bit more so than today.

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Speaker 3: Because my voice will not allow me to lift anybody higher.

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Speaker 2: You're like the like the you know, like the eighth

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Speaker 2: graders who just start lifting and they're like in there

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Speaker 2: just working just the bench with no weights on it

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Speaker 2: to get their form right and everything right.

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Speaker 3: You just have if I can get words out.

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Speaker 2: Sounded pretty good, right now, let's let's I don't want

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Speaker 2: to jinx it. So yeah, final hour here today. Like

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Speaker 2: I said, a few more minutes left in practice. May

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Speaker 2: about fifteen twenty minutes from now. Will be joined by

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Speaker 2: Jalen Warren for a few minutes as well. But Matt,

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Speaker 2: I did want to look because I mean I think

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Speaker 2: that this is a again one fun exercise too. It's

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Speaker 2: this time of year and we've got the kind of

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Speaker 2: time to focus on these things. A little bit on

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Speaker 2: what you touched on there at the end of the segment,

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Speaker 2: NFL regular season wins since two thousand. But did you

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Speaker 2: have and I'm sorry, I know I kind of put

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Speaker 2: you on the spot here. You said the Steelers had

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Speaker 2: the fifth most playoff wins since two thousand? Correct? Yes,

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Speaker 2: do you do you know like exactly what the number

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Speaker 2: was and the other teams that were around him. I

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Speaker 2: do believe. I remember I saw you put in was

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Speaker 2: its fifteen playoff wins for the Steelers. I want to

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Speaker 2: say in that time period. Okay, yeah, rolling through my

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Speaker 2: fifth most since two thousand with fifteen if you do it?

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Speaker 2: How about this? Because I saw you retweet this and

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Speaker 2: people and your mentions. Of course, some people were saying,

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Speaker 2: all right, well, now just do it. In the Mike

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Speaker 2: Tomlin era, they actually moved to third most playoffs right

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Speaker 2: as an organization in the Mike Tomlin era. Again, this

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Speaker 2: is like, this is the the context of high expectations.

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Speaker 2: Like I just laid out, I would rather expect my

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Speaker 2: team to be the New York Yankees and the Dodgers

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Speaker 2: than the Pittsburgh Pirates. I would rather have those expectations,

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Speaker 2: but I think it is important to, you know, at

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Speaker 2: times and in the offseason again, differentiate the forest through

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Speaker 2: the trees.

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Speaker 4: No question about it. I mean, when it's hard to

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Speaker 4: win games, and this is not an excuse, but winmen

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Speaker 4: playoff games is really really difficult in this sport. I

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Speaker 4: mean they're one shot. You get one shot. And I

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Speaker 4: talk about this all the time that the Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: champ either won three or four games, the Super Bowl

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Speaker 4: runner up won three or two. I think there's only

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Speaker 4: thirteen playoff wins to give out every year. There's total

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Speaker 4: of thirteen of them, right right, right, I mean everyone

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Speaker 4: that wins round one and then you know the half

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Speaker 4: of them are limited after that. I mean there's only

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Speaker 4: thirteen playoff wins a given out by the league per year.

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Speaker 2: And I was gonna say playoffs, right yeah.

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Speaker 4: And it's harder now than ever. I mean to So

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Speaker 4: if you're five hundred as a quarterback or a coach

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Speaker 4: in your playoff career, that's pretty good. It's really good.

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Speaker 4: I mean it's really really good. If you can win

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Speaker 4: half of them is really really good. And that doesn't again,

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Speaker 4: none of this excuses how things have gone in the

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Speaker 4: playoffs with Late in the season of late. But when

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Speaker 4: you really look at these numbers too, since like two

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Speaker 4: thousand and who has the playoff wins and who doesn't,

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Speaker 4: or so much of it as quarterback driven. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they win playoff games with Ben, they don't without them,

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I cited Belichick. He Belichick has

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Speaker 4: a losing record when Brady's not his starter. He's got

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Speaker 4: the best wreck or you've ever seen with Brady as

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Speaker 4: a starter. Now one has something to do with the other.

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Speaker 4: Noel Bradshaw's, Montana Walsh, whatever. But man, when you looked

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Speaker 4: at these numbers, you know, Rogers with Green Bay was third,

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Speaker 4: you know, I mean the Colts are really high with

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not even talking about league average.

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Speaker 2: And even with that, nothing is still guaranteed. Because as you,

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Speaker 2: talked about it when we've done crossover shows and stuff.

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Speaker 2: You think Josh Allen might bring him up one of

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Speaker 2: the best playoff quarterbacks you've ever seen in your life. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and he's got a losing record and he still hasn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean so even over the.

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Speaker 2: Losing record in the postseason, I believe, I think so,

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Speaker 2: we know that has he ever hasn't even been has

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Speaker 4: So there was a Warren Sharp in a deep study.

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Speaker 2: On seven and six. Josh Allen is in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: so one game above.

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Speaker 4: Fives as of last year he was below.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 4: You know, people would assume over these last five six,

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Speaker 4: seven years the Chiefs era that Mahomes has been the

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Speaker 4: best playoff quarterback in football. It's Allen and it's really

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Speaker 4: not even close. I mean, Mahomes is phenomenal to playoffs,

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Speaker 2: At just isolating, just isolating, not look at the win

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Speaker 4: Like some of the best. It's he's one of the

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Speaker 4: best playoff quarterbacks. Ever, does that make him a loser?

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Speaker 4: You know? And like if he never gets a ring

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Speaker 4: or if he'd retire today, I mean, like it makes

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Speaker 4: me crazy, you know, Like a big thing I always

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Speaker 4: talk about, especially these AFC quarterbacks, is like they draft,

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Speaker 4: Caleb Williams the first overall, or even like Jayde Daniels did,

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Speaker 4: Jane Daniels will get a ring, Yeah, he probably will.

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Speaker 2: I get where you're going with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the best is the AFC lately though, Like.

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Speaker 2: You only give away one ring a year, you.

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Speaker 4: Only give one away a year. And if Mahomes and

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Speaker 4: Brady have twelve of them between them, just do the math,

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Speaker 4: if I told you Josh Allen will get a ring,

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Speaker 2: Yes, but but again you've got to look every year, right, Lamar,

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Speaker 2: I mean I would lean towards alone.

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Speaker 4: I would lean let alone.

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Speaker 2: Let alone too or multiple appearances You mentioned towards no,

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Speaker 2: and he's been he's been to one, you know. And

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Speaker 2: you said the third most playoff wins in that period.

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Speaker 2: He got the one super Bowl, he's got the one

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Speaker 4: And Rogers of two that really stand out to me

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Speaker 4: those postseason wins. But people don't realize how hard it

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Speaker 4: is in the postseason. I mean again, only one of

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Speaker 4: those AFC quarterbacks can win it every year. Correct, and

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Speaker 4: Mahomes has been awfulized it a little bit.

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Speaker 2: It has it's it's it's it is interesting when you

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Speaker 2: look at that and you go, okay, just in a vacuum,

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Speaker 2: you think this quarterback's got the juice to win a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl. We'd probably say yes, about four or five guys.

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Speaker 2: You haven't to this point, right, Burrow and Allen and

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Speaker 2: Lamar and you know the Dave Lawrence was.

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Speaker 4: Drafted win a super Bowl. Yeah, he's gonna play fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: He'll get one, you know, or after Stroud's rookie year,

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Speaker 4: unbelievable rookie year, he'll get one. Well that means Allen

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Speaker 2: is and it's the whole. Like you said, there's there's

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Speaker 2: There's one game you play bad for sixty minutes, see

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Speaker 2: you later. You know it is you catch you.

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Speaker 4: The week that your best guys are hurt.

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Speaker 3: Or you know, it's not a bad quarter or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You yeah, yeah, dude, your kicker hits you up right,

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Speaker 2: One, right, the Chicago Bears double dooint, right, and you

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Speaker 4: There's less luck involved when there's seven game series. I

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Speaker 4: and come back and win the series.

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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, you see you you see that all the time.

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Speaker 2: To use the local example like that those years was

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Speaker 2: a sixteen and seventeen when the Pens went to the Cup.

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Speaker 2: They had a couple of game against San Jose, game

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Speaker 2: you know baseball like you might. You might get shallax

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Speaker 2: and get a victory, and it's a different story. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: The Mazarowski year, every loss to the yes, right, they

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Speaker 2: They lost in the run differential in that series. Didn't

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Speaker 4: The game they squeaked out by one run, but they

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Speaker 2: But exactly right, it's it's a it's a completely different beast,

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Speaker 2: kind of pressure cooker, won and done. We've seen now

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Speaker 2: well for a day. One team doesn't exactly have it.

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Speaker 2: You have a slow first half something like that, and.

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Speaker 2: So excellent, sounds good. Let's yeah, let's we'll stay here then,

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Speaker 2: since we've still got some time in this thank you

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Speaker 2: for the for the heads updal We will be talking

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Speaker 2: to Steelers running back Jalen Warren momentarily. Yes, practice number

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Speaker 2: four in the books here of OTA's first one of

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Speaker 2: this week. It'll be the same Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday schedule.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say this at the top of the show.

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Speaker 2: We will be here with you for the just like

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Speaker 2: ten until one o'clock for all these Ota practices next

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Speaker 2: week for Mini camp as well too. I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if our broadcast schedule will be exactly the same for

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Speaker 2: Many camp next week, but we will be down here

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Speaker 2: in terms of the same hours and and everything. I'm

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Speaker 2: not sure if there's any if there's any shift in

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Speaker 2: in the Steelers timing or anything like that. As as

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Speaker 2: we get ready here here it comes for Steelers running

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Speaker 2: back number thirty. Here Jalen Warren sitting down with us

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Speaker 2: after practice number four. Jalen, thank you for taking the

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Speaker 2: time to be here, and good getting out there in

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Speaker 3: Have you excuse me?

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Speaker 4: That's like I was like, you looked from it, but

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Speaker 4: So you've been a huge force in the passing game.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: We have got to get to a break. When we

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Speaker 1: At least is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: Radio back on the South Side here as practice number

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Speaker 2: four in the books for your Pittsburgh Steelers. As this

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Speaker 2: Wednesday and Thursday, same time frame from ten to one.

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Speaker 3: I promise you my voice will be better, I hope.

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Speaker 2: I promise you. I hope you know. I hope so too, Dale,

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Speaker 2: Not because you know, today has been extra strenuous or anything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I don't think people look at him in

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Speaker 4: We'll see what the rookie has. But we don't know.

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Speaker 3: one in year two.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that's crazy to get the sixty.

439
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Speaker 3: Ish, Yeah, thirty number thirty eight last.

440
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Speaker 2: Year, eight point two yards per reception.

441
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Speaker 3: List, but they yeah, he makes he always seems to

442
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Speaker 3: have that knack. Yeah, definding the first down, that's a

443
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Speaker 3: big part of it.

444
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like the nose for the first down.

445
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Speaker 2: Defensive guy's got a nose for the football. He's got

446
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Speaker 2: a nose for the first down. Yeah, you need six

447
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Speaker 2: yards to get you seven type type guy. And yeah,

448
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Speaker 2: I I I think that there's there's a real opportunity

449
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Speaker 2: for him at the start of the season. I would

450
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Speaker 2: feel like to make that a more difficult quite Yeah.

451
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Speaker 4: No question. And again, the first segment we did today

452
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Speaker 4: was about trust, and he has that. I mean, like

453
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Speaker 4: so he definitely has the leg up. And it's not

454
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Speaker 4: even they're like a competition. I mean they're both going

455
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Speaker 4: to be in the mix no matter what. I mean,

456
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Speaker 4: assuming they're healthy, and.

457
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Speaker 2: It's not gonna be one guy gets ninety of the car.

458
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Speaker 4: Right and Johnson doesn't fall in his face, you know,

459
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Speaker 4: I mean that could happen to any rookie, of course,

460
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Speaker 4: but I mean I think he's in for a substantial year.

461
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Speaker 4: And I cited it like if you really break it down,

462
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Speaker 4: and I didn't want to nerd out too much with him,

463
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Speaker 4: but like yards per target, he's at the top of

464
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Speaker 4: the league. I mean, like again like McCaffrey levels. I

465
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Speaker 4: mean in terms of like the best receiving numbers in

466
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Speaker 4: all of football compared to other running backs.

467
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Speaker 3: Even that was six point six yards per target.

468
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Speaker 4: It's great. I mean it's a huge number. R and

469
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Speaker 4: the yards after first contact things like that are really

470
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Speaker 4: really good for him, especially in the passing game. And

471
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, you know, what's rogers proclivity to

472
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Speaker 4: throw into backs. I don't think he's I think he'll

473
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Speaker 4: kind of just throw the open guy and be smart

474
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Speaker 4: with the football, you know.

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Speaker 3: I do think he does like to throw the ball

476
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Speaker 3: off the backs, probably a little bit more than the

477
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Speaker 3: guys they had last year.

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Speaker 4: I would say. I mean they did do a lot

479
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Speaker 4: of Wilson dump offs. I mean when in the big One,

480
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Speaker 4: the big shot wasn't there, he did a lot of

481
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Speaker 4: dump offs. They actually all forded Again, I nerded out

482
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Speaker 4: that Fields, Wilson, Rogers, and Rudolph were all high in

483
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Speaker 4: what PFF calls dump off percentage, which people be like, oh,

484
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Speaker 4: that's things. Sometimes a smart move, I mean, like dumping

485
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Speaker 4: into the back is better than Aaron Rodgers, Rudolph or

486
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Speaker 4: Wilson scrambling. I want to I want to get the

487
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Speaker 4: ball run.

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Speaker 3: Of his thirty eight catches last year, sixteen produced first half.

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Speaker 2: I was just looking at that, you know, So, yeah.

490
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Speaker 3: If you don't know, if the change move changed, that's.

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Speaker 4: That's the plan.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: I think he's one of the most important and best

494
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Speaker 4: Steelers offensive players. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Falling up on what Dale said, there, every all of

496
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Speaker 2: his three years close to about forty three forty four

497
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Speaker 2: to forty percent of his forty five percent of his

498
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Speaker 2: receptions have been for first downs. So his first season,

499
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Speaker 2: twenty eight receptions, fourteen of them were for first downs,

500
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Speaker 2: exactly fifty percent. I can do the math on that one.

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Speaker 4: And he's out there on third and seven plus a lot.

502
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Speaker 2: Right right, it's not third and two. Yeah, second season,

503
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 2: sixty one receptions, nineteen of those were for first downs.

504
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Speaker 2: So that's thirty thirty a little under thirty three percent,

505
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Speaker 2: but still about one out of three. And then last season,

506
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Speaker 2: as Dale mentioned, thirty eight receptions for sixteen first downs.

507
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Speaker 2: That's a little over forty percent as well too, So

508
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: kind of in that range there of every other touch,

509
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: every third touch, and that's pretty substantial. And again you

510
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Speaker 2: look at the yards per reception seven point six, six

511
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Speaker 2: point one, eight point two, Like, I don't think it's

512
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's kind of a secret that the

513
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Speaker 2: trade is the train is a big fan of Jalen Warren.

514
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Speaker 3: As it goes by the other thing, it changed man

515
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Speaker 3: of us over the last couple of years. People might say,

516
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Speaker 3: why why is that number down since his rookie year,

517
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Speaker 3: they actually have worked him more in on first and

518
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Speaker 3: second down. He's not just the third down back exactly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And gain Well was very much a third down

520
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Speaker 4: back returner type. So I don't think he'll cut into

521
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Speaker 4: Warren's third third down stuff, but maybe a little which

522
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Speaker 4: might allow Warren to do more first time, so you

523
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Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, I don't think Warren's workload

524
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Speaker 4: will shrink, but maybe when Gainwell's out, the usages little

525
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Speaker 4: would have been time would have been usual war in time.

526
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Speaker 4: And again it's a small percentage I mean again, I

527
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Speaker 4: think he gets up with ten percent of the touches

528
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Speaker 4: at most. You know, yeah, assuming health, which we should

529
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Speaker 4: never do.

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Speaker 2: Which we should wish we should never do. But at

531
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Speaker 2: the same time, I think it is more fun to

532
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Speaker 2: have these kind of pie in the sky.

533
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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the plan the blueprint going in?

534
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Speaker 2: Everything's all, everything's all sunshine and rainbows, right, Yeah, it's

535
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Speaker 2: exciting in that regard. It feels like, and we talked

536
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Speaker 2: about this a little bit when we were having the

537
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Speaker 2: Arthur Smith offense conversation. This is like, I don't think

538
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Speaker 2: this is an insult to Naji. There was just some

539
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Speaker 2: square peg round hole stuff there of what Nause does well,

540
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Speaker 2: what Arthur Smith wanted the run game to be in

541
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Speaker 2: the balance that they were striking there, whereas you know now,

542
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Speaker 2: it feels like they are much more able to run

543
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Speaker 2: the full playbook in the way that Arthur Smith envisions

544
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Speaker 2: the run game.

545
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and again, Nause has some great strengths, no doubt.

546
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Speaker 4: It doesn't fumble, he plays every game, He's super consistent.

547
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Speaker 4: He is no fun at all to tackle. I mean,

548
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Speaker 4: he is bigger and looks better than any of their

549
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Speaker 4: backs right now. I mean like when they would do

550
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Speaker 4: running back drills right in front.

551
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Speaker 2: Of him stand last couple of years like whoa.

552
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Speaker 4: I mean, like he is a standout body type. He

553
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,080
Speaker 4: has crazy long arms. But two of his weaknesses to me,

554
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 4: compared to lead backs vision and the ability to just

555
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Speaker 4: stick your foot in the ground home run too, but

556
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Speaker 4: the ability to stick your foot in the ground when

557
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 4: you do find that b gap and hit it and

558
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: accelerate like crazy. And he's not going to run away

559
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Speaker 4: from defensive backs in the open field. Now, I'm not

560
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 4: sure if any of the guys are going to run

561
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Speaker 4: away from open backs in the in the open field.

562
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Speaker 4: Johnson did it to college level, and his mouths per

563
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Speaker 4: hour stuff's really good. But Johnson's vision and the ability

564
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Speaker 4: to find that hole and hit it are his strengths.

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Speaker 2: You know, he reads that zone run perfectly.

566
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Speaker 4: At college in the Big ten. I mean, I'll do

567
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Speaker 4: it against the Ravens and Begels, you know what I mean.

568
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Speaker 4: So there's a learning curve, but those are his strengths.

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Speaker 4: I mean, he's the round peg in a round hole.

570
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Speaker 2: The bang, the bend or the bounce right. That's the

571
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Speaker 2: zone read run game. That's what you're looking for, is

572
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Speaker 2: the running back correct.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, wait for the you're not there's not a designed hole.

574
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Speaker 4: You pick one and then you attack it. You know, yes,

575
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Speaker 4: you stick that in the ground. I mean, Shanahan won't

576
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 4: always talk about Daddy Shanahan. You know, Clinton Portis and

577
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Speaker 4: those guys. Is you got a real athletic line that

578
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Speaker 4: that running back patient patient patient, page patient watch Yeah,

579
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Speaker 4: go now, yep, you know, and then you see what

580
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Speaker 4: you get.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think, uh, it is it's it's a

582
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Speaker 2: very unique skill set that, like I said, I think, yeah,

583
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Speaker 2: that's the term that I always hear a bang bang,

584
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Speaker 2: bend bounce either you bang up inside right, you bend

585
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Speaker 2: around the tackle, or you bounce outside. That's kind of

586
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Speaker 2: the zone read and yeah, that ability to be decisive

587
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Speaker 2: in that moment, stick your foot in the ground and

588
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: go is a huge trait in vision and acceleration important.

589
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they weren't nausey strengths.

590
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: Correct correct, and so that's you know again, maybe that's

591
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Speaker 2: kind of the theme of the day with some of

592
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Speaker 2: these conversations, is uh, the offense moving more towards the

593
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Speaker 2: square peg, square hole, round peg.

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Speaker 3: And they've had a couple of years to build, right,

595
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Speaker 3: you know, right.

596
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Speaker 4: And I'm sure Coach Smith would even tell you I couldn't.

597
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Speaker 4: I chose not to, not that I couldn't run as

598
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Speaker 4: much zone as I would have liked. Raft, Yeah, as

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Speaker 4: I thought he did see it. Actually, you know, so

600
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Speaker 4: I would think, assuming these guys are true, sometimes you

601
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Speaker 4: draft a round peg and you're like, well, he's kind

602
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Speaker 4: of oval. Yeah, you know, but assuming they are what

603
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Speaker 4: you think, you've added Gainwell and Johnson in particular, and

604
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 4: the lineman, you're going to see a higher percentage of

605
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Speaker 4: what he's most comfortable calling, and then the subsequent play

606
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 4: looks better off of it, you know. Then he set

607
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Speaker 4: up the next play better you set up you know,

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Speaker 4: maybe you're instead of third and four, you're in third

609
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Speaker 4: and three, and that adds up over the year. We

610
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Speaker 4: talked to me a long conversation last week about.

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Speaker 2: The different four point one and four point four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, if they could go a point two

613
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Speaker 4: yards per carry over the course of the year, it

614
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Speaker 4: might be two more wins. And when it's you know,

615
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Speaker 4: when you really put the bottom line.

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Speaker 2: It's a lot more snaps for your offense. It's a

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Speaker 2: lot more time zession, it's a lot more first downs,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of t. J. Watt and Alex high

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Speaker 2: Smith getting water on the sideline and resting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, I mean less third and longs, et cetera,

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Speaker 4: et cetera. I mean it doesn't sound like much, but

622
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Speaker 4: when you break it down to yards per carry, you

623
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Speaker 4: can't be at the bottom of the league, and they

624
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Speaker 4: were at the bottom of the league. You know.

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Speaker 3: That's especially if you're at the top in.

626
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Speaker 4: Carries exactly because they're going to be in the top carries.

627
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Speaker 4: I think we know that. So it is even larger

628
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Speaker 4: ripple effect because of the volume.

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Speaker 2: Just about a clear practice field here at the upmc

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Speaker 2: roody Sports Complex is day four is a wrap A

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Speaker 2: couple players, Miga Fitzpatrick over there talking to some media,

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Speaker 2: a couple other guys, just getting some last few extra

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Speaker 2: snaps in out here on a beautiful day in western Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: We have got to get to our last break. We'll

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Speaker 2: put a bow on today's coverage when we return on

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Speaker 2: the other side. This special edition of the Drive West

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Speaker 2: Yuler with Matt Williamson and Dale Lawley. It's all happening

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Speaker 2: right here on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Final segment here of our Tuesday coverage, day number four

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Speaker 2: of OTAs, of course, practice four of six of the

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Speaker 2: OTAs the optional organized team activities before they will have

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Speaker 2: three mandatory capital M mandatory mini can't practices next week

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Speaker 2: as well on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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Speaker 3: That's making them an offer they can't refuse.

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Speaker 2: Now, you can't leave.

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Speaker 3: Somebody say on Twitter that I sound like the Godfather.

650
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Speaker 3: I could hear. I can see them come to me

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Speaker 3: on the day of the wedding. De Niro had to

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Speaker 3: work or not de Niro?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what was Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I always forgiend.

655
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: His name Brandrando, Marlon.

656
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 3: Brando had to work to get this voice, had the

657
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 3: stuff his cheek. Yeah, I've not had to do that.

658
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: And I think, like I remember reading that like one

659
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 2: of the things he used was almost like a similar

660
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: thing that they put in the mouth of horses to

661
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: like mess up his and like I guess, I guess,

662
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: I guess it gave well one of it was like

663
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: a metal piece thing, and I guess it gave him

664
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 2: like some some gum issues the rest of his like

665
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: the metal and the thing that he was, you know,

666
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: chewing on was good for his health.

667
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: Giving it up for your craft.

668
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 2: That's what exactly right, Yeah, that's what.

669
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: They Just sit here and.

670
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: Don't lose your hair, though, then you'll be doing Doctor

671
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: Evil instead instead of Marlon Branda.

672
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 4: It was just a cat runner on.

673
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just grabbed it.

674
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 4: Make him a little more.

675
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: Fantastic. I love it. No, Dale, Michael, we appreciate you.

676
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: We appreciate you toughing it out today. Dale. All right, gentlemen,

677
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: put a boat on this thing. Big picture conversation. I

678
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: feel like we talked to Jalen Warren today. We talked

679
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: a lot about the Arthur Smith offense. You know, some

680
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: of the reports of Gabe Davis coming here for a

681
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: visit this week. So big picture, open book question. As

682
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: we sit here today, Tuesday, June third, obviously a long

683
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: time away from September, well sometime away from September. Still,

684
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 2: which position group or the offense are you most confident.

685
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: In running back, running back and tight end?

686
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: I feel pretty confident in the offensive line.

687
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: Actually, I was hoping we were going to get some

688
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 2: different answers here. So let's let's dig into it, Matthew, I.

689
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: Almost said the starting five offensive line. But I still

690
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 4: think there's a lot of questions, concerns, unknowns, depth of

691
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: the depth. Okay, in most years I've felt, certainly most

692
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 4: Omar team or built team years, I have felt better

693
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 4: about six through twelve than I do now.

694
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 2: Maybe felt like at least last year, like he had

695
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 2: eight potential starters in that hope at one point, right,

696
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: you know.

697
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: The herbigs, you know, the guys that have been around

698
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: the block.

699
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: Or and you still had Dan Moore with with the

700
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: two young tackle.

701
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 4: Daniels, you know, and like McCormick was a fourth round

702
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: pick unknown that you know you're just hopeful for you

703
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: haven't seen yet. Right, But I will say to Flip

704
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 4: that I guess that's the best way I could put

705
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 4: it is, let's just just navigate the Omar years of

706
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 4: this time of year. I think I'm most confident today

707
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 4: compared to other years of one through five, sure, but

708
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 4: least confident of six through twelve.

709
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: And I think that's a fair affair, you know, difference

710
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: to lay out there.

711
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I trust the young guys more than that word.

712
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 4: I mean, Fraser was an unknown last year. Now I

713
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: think he's a top five center.

714
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: You know, we should talk about that a little bit,

715
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: moving up right now?

716
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it might have moved up a spot. Yeah, it's

717
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 4: just in the last twenty four hours.

718
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And you know what that short list might be

719
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: mostly in the AFC now that I'm thinking about Linderbaum

720
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: and Humphrey. Yeah, exactly, Okay, Dale offensive line? Was that

721
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: the group for you?

722
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: I just have a lot of confidence in that. As

723
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: you guys said that young nucleus, I think they're going

724
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: to be really good, And to me, I just think

725
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: it's a group that's going to continue to improve as

726
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: they play more and more together.

727
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 4: I think. I know a lot of people listening are

728
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 4: concerned about Roderick Jones too. And I'm not just saying

729
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: this to try to be optimistic, but he was a

730
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 4: lot better after the bye. I think his mind settled

731
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 4: down a lot. I do think left tackle, left tackle,

732
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 4: left tackle from here on out is good for him.

733
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 4: It can't be bad, for sure, you know what I mean.

734
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: And I'll be shocked if this isn't. I'll even set

735
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: the bar pretty low that this isn't clearly his best

736
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,360
Speaker 4: season in the NFL. That would shock me if this

737
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: is not sure best season, you know, and the ceiling

738
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 4: is much higher.

739
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 2: Than that, no doubt, no doubt. Okay, quick before we

740
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: get into confidence levels, because you mentioned the running back

741
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: in the tight end groups as well too, I gotta

742
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: follow up with you on your glowing Zach Fraser comment there.

743
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 2: It might be one of the best in the league,

744
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: particularly in the retirement of Frank Ragnow. For those who

745
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 2: have missed it, who might have been the best center

746
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: in the league was what a seven time pro bowler

747
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: at age twenty nine, just retiring with the Detroit Lions.

748
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 2: What's your give me, give me your I know this

749
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: is a little bit of a right turn, but you're

750
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: you got a pecking order of the centers right now,

751
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: like number one is, number two is? And where kind

752
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 2: of Zach would be on that for you going into

753
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 2: this year, I.

754
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 4: Would say Creed Humphreys won. But I also think he

755
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 4: gets a little overrated because of his situation and always

756
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 4: being there.

757
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: Him running a lot of games right right right, Yeah,

758
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: Like I.

759
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 4: Don't think he's dirt or webby, you know what I mean?

760
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: I thought rag Now is number one? For me?

761
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was a competition between the two

762
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 4: for me and rag Noow's battles. That's why he retired.

763
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: He said that in his statement, I just like to

764
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: say a great Frank Irrac. Now.

765
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 4: Linderbaum's not for everyone because of his size, but I

766
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: think he's an exceptional player too. I mean, his movement's great,

767
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 4: his leverage is great.

768
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 3: I would take Frasier over Linderbaumb just for team fit

769
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 3: across the league.

770
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what you're saying.

771
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: I just think he fits fits more schemes that Yep.

772
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying.

773
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 4: They both have a great wrestling background, which isn't uncommon

774
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 4: for that position.

775
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty nine and two. That was Zach

776
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 2: Fraser's high school wrestling record.

777
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 4: And did you say his first los?

778
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: His first loss? Was it his freshman year? He got

779
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: DQ because he didn't understand the rules, and then he

780
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: beat that same guy again in the I think the

781
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 2: state semi finals.

782
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: So maybe you could throw that one out.

783
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: So I think one true loss his his entire high

784
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: school wrestling career. Yeah, but you think he could be

785
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: in that next group right behind those guys this year

786
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 2: or is he maybe already In that conversation.

787
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 4: He'll be a perennial pro bowler. If not all pro,

788
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he'll be an occasional all Pro

789
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 4: and a perennial pro bowler.

790
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: The stuff that he does the kind of separates him

791
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 3: to me is getting that initial block and then getting

792
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: to the second, getting that secondary block as well, and

793
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: just finishing.

794
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say finishing is as certainly a strength. Yeah,

795
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: his highlight tape is really fun.

796
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: If you're playing against Zach Fraser as a defensive lineman

797
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 3: or an inside backer, you know you're gonna end up

798
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: on your back.

799
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: He's gonna get hands all the times.

800
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of times, There's no question about it.

801
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: And you guys say that too. I still remember when

802
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 2: Andy Widel spoke for the first time last year post draft,

803
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: he talked about that. He was like, I went down

804
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: to Morgantown for that BYU game. He was like those

805
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: those poor BYU players, Zach Fraser was getting hands on

806
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: all of them, just mauling dudes on every player. They

807
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 2: had two hundred and ten rushing yards in the first

808
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: half type thing. And Yeah, I think I think he'll

809
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: really endear himself.

810
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 3: The thing about the b YU guys excuse.

811
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: Me, think about the twenty five year old men.

812
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 3: There are twenty five year old man.

813
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 5: Right.

814
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 4: It's not Mormon missions, a bunch of eighteen year olds.

815
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 2: Right right, And they're not Ohio State or Iowa, but

816
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: they're they're a pretty pretty solid program every year to

817
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: putting putting good dudes in the NFL. And yeah, his

818
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: his tape against them was exceptional.

819
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 4: And of course there's other good centers we didn't mention,

820
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, like Barton with with Tampa's really really promising

821
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 4: after his rookie year, the rare first round pick that

822
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 4: and he lived up to it. And but that being said,

823
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: I mean to Dale's point, if I'm picking up, I mean,

824
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 4: if I can take any center from here on out,

825
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 4: Fraser's definitely in the conversation.

826
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,880
Speaker 2: And you've got you've got him after one year, but

827
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 2: you've got him clearly ahead of Barton and Jackson, Powers Johnson.

828
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 4: Ahead of Powers Johnson for sure. I think Barton's in

829
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: that same tier. I mean, he was part of a

830
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 4: really really good line. Sure, And to give Barton credit,

831
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 4: he's only been a center for one year, I mean, true, true, Yeah,

832
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 4: I was making a case for Barton, who's like well,

833
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: he probably had to iron a lot out. I mean,

834
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 4: I haven't studied, but they're extremely promising.

835
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zach Frasier played the second most I want to say,

836
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 2: had the second most starts I believe for an offensive

837
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 2: lineman in program history at W and all of them

838
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 2: except for his first he had his first two guard

839
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: and then was center from freshman year on the rest

840
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: of the way.

841
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 4: Okay, but many of those draft prospects are like, oh,

842
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: he's an interior lineman. I mean he was. He was

843
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,959
Speaker 4: a center, right right, which is part of the reason

844
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 4: I think he got him where you did. I think

845
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 4: so too, right, I mean, how many teams really needed

846
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 4: a center only?

847
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: But also I think why he was such a good

848
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 2: fit for the Steelers because they needed a center.

849
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 4: And they also value that position. Going back to Webby, yep,

850
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: maybe more than anything.

851
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: Elaite and dirt, pouncy and hardings. I mean, they've had

852
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: it's crazy, They've had four guys that have been all pros,

853
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 2: right right, super Bowl champions.

854
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, rare stuff.

855
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 2: Okay, Matt, we got a few minutes left here. You

856
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: initially before getting an offensive line, when I asked that

857
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: kind of confidence question, you quickly mentioned running back and

858
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 2: tight end as well too.

859
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have a lot of worries there. I

860
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 4: don't know that there's pro galore. I'm not sure that

861
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 4: Franco Bettis. You know, those guys are in those two rooms.

862
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 4: But I keep coming back to Darnel Washington is one

863
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: of the harder players to play against in the league.

864
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I.

865
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: Mean just from a matchup standpoint, the rightness.

866
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 4: Of his body type, his physicality, and it's not just

867
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 4: he's only a blocker and can't do anything else. I

868
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 4: still think he's got a lot left in the tank.

869
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 4: I thought he's one of the most improved Steelers from

870
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 4: rookie year to last year. I think you know what

871
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 4: you have in Friarmuth, and frankly, I'm hoping his targets

872
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 4: and usage is trending up. And I know a lot

873
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 4: of people will look at the Friarmuth and be like,

874
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 4: he probably is what he is at this point, and

875
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: I beg to differ because I can't. There's so many

876
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: studies that age twenty seven is about when tight ends

877
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: start to really hit their stride. I think he's twenty six.

878
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 4: He's getting in that neighborhood and.

879
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 2: Now middle linebackers. Oh, like, they don't typically come out

880
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: and set the world on fire right away.

881
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,240
Speaker 4: It's a really hard adjustment period. Like I'll never forget

882
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 4: its one of the first years I was invited to

883
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: do mini camps or these camps, and they always give

884
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 4: you the new guy. And Vance McDonald sat down with us, yep,

885
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: just like Jenn Warren did, and I told him that,

886
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: I'm like, so, you know, the average tight end starts

887
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 4: to hit their stride at like age twenty seven, but

888
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: then they usually fade away slow. I mean think of

889
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: like Gates, Witten, Gainst, Alliss, Heith. You know, like once

890
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,760
Speaker 4: you kind of figure it out.

891
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 2: There's not a real gradual declay. It's a quick takeoff

892
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 2: and a quick landing.

893
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 4: Right, you know. I mean Kelsey, I mean like these

894
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: guys last a long time once they hit their stride

895
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: around age twenty seven. McDonald didn't know that. He's like, wow,

896
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 4: that's really interesting, and he's like, boy, does that make sense.

897
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 4: I mean it was.

898
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: Like got to got to get your grown man's strength

899
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: and body and yeah, you.

900
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: Just has to do so many different things, yeah, you know.

901
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 4: And understanding the holes and zones at this level, and

902
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: you know how I can use my body and man

903
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: coverage and things like that too and do enough as

904
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 4: a blocker. But it was like I hit him in

905
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 4: the face with a shovel. Oh that makes a lot

906
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 4: of sense. And he was like twenty six at the

907
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: time or whatever, kind of got a smile like that.

908
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, yeah, I get it.

909
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that that's I'm with you on. I think

910
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: that's I think the way you put that was good.

911
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 2: We're not necessary, it's not necessarily looking at the running

912
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 2: back room or the tight end room and saying there's

913
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: a perennial All Pro and maybe even a future gold

914
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 2: jacket guy in there.

915
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 4: A lot of worry.

916
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 2: But but it feels like the floor is very high.

917
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 2: You know what you've got, right, You know what ingredients

918
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 2: you're cooking with, and they're pretty good ingredients. They might

919
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: not be U you know Michelin chef five star ingredients, right,

920
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: but you can make a really stinking good meal. At

921
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 2: the same time, it's a it's a good.

922
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 4: Burger exact burger season now, not to like rain on

923
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 4: the parade, but go ahead, pre pickings trade.

924
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: I would have said, wide receiver, I think so too.

925
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean without a question, because you.

926
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,879
Speaker 2: Would have had the proven perennial Pro Bowl or All

927
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 2: Pro type and DK.

928
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: Now I would have had some concerns with Pickings volatility

929
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 4: as a human being and on the field, but that

930
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,240
Speaker 4: was a real strength that now would to be determined,

931
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, playing against those two with

932
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 4: Austin and Wilson as your three or Woods or whoever.

933
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: Okay, and that how that has kind of flipped and

934
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 2: gone the opposite direction. I think we can easily see

935
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 2: the quarterback position flipping and going north. Whereas if you

936
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 2: get the guy that that we've all been talking about,

937
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 2: as you're number one, you feel really good about Mason

938
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: as your number two, then you've got a guy like

939
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 2: Will Howard who you can bring along and see what

940
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: he's got over the course of a couple.

941
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 4: Of years where they're supposed to go right.

942
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I think that would be a similar kind

943
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 2: of you could see in the way that the wide

944
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 2: receiver group we maybe felt a little differently about, I

945
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,479
Speaker 2: think we could in a better way feel that about

946
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: the quarterback position still obviously as well. Yeah, gentlemen, good

947
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: stuff here today, so far from down at the facility.

948
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: It was stuff. Listen, I got I gotta, I gotta,

949
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 2: I gotta give you, I gotta give you credit. Yeah,

950
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: especially when you you know, when you knew that. It's

951
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: not like if you would have called off, you'd be

952
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 2: leaving Matt hanging. I mean, you know him, him and

953
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: I him and I would have been here. But we

954
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,760
Speaker 2: do appreciate your valiant efforts here today, certainly.

955
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 5: Uh.

956
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 2: That will do it for our coverage for day number

957
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: four here of OTA's same thing the next two days,

958
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:20,279
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959
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960
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,200
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961
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,920
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962
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio. But that will do it for today.

963
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: We will talk to Yen's tomorrow for CJ down here

964
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 2: on site newly engage CJ two by the way, relations

965
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: to young CJ uh and of course our guy justin

966
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: back at the ranch for producing it and punching all

967
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: the buttons for.

968
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Speaker 3: Us who is not engaged.

969
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 2: I don't know things got change in the last couple

970
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: hours here or whatever. No but yes, who is still

971
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 2: available and handsome out there ladies For Matt Williamson and

972
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Speaker 2: Dale Lawley. I'm Wes Euler. We'll talk to you tomorrow.

973
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: As always, you know where to find us. It's been

974
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 2: a special edition of The Drive on your twenty four

975
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976
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