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Speaker 1: Celebto Oh my god, Jida Pink got Smith.

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Speaker 2: You what incredible? Won't stand Oh my god, Sharon, I

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Speaker 2: heard you were coming tonight. I am so blessed and

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Speaker 2: honored to meet you, to be in the presence of you,

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Speaker 2: for you to come and see my new metal band,

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Speaker 2: Wicked Wisdom, as we are just starting out on our

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Speaker 2: own metal journey.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Jida, I.

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Speaker 4: Came here because I wanted to fish out.

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Speaker 3: Get get down vocals, get down, Sorry me, pops are crazy,

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Speaker 3: Get off mommy's tips. It's not time for me.

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Speaker 2: Down down, look into my eyes down. Sorry. I hope

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Speaker 2: you don't mind the way I talked to your Dad's.

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Speaker 4: Like, wow, look at that the bitch.

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Speaker 2: Listen to you. I'm very close with Caesar Milan. He's

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Speaker 2: given me a lot of tips. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking about asking you to play os Fast.

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Speaker 3: You've gotta come. It's gonna be marvelous.

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Speaker 2: No wait, shit, this is true. We've just starting out

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Speaker 2: and you want me to play the most amazing metal festival.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ah, Jada. I would listen to him on

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Speaker 2: the streets of b More when I was dealing.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that would really tickle this rump to hear that, Jada. Listen,

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Speaker 3: you're a strong woman, and we need more strong women

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Speaker 3: at O's fast.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jaden is all but eight years old, and

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Speaker 2: Willow she's five, but she's a hell of a fighter.

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Speaker 2: I mean all summer long.

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Speaker 3: Just bring him along. We'll throw him in a trailer.

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Speaker 3: Put some whiskey in a baby bottle. You shall be fine.

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Speaker 3: Go right to bed. She won't even hear all the

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Speaker 3: loud bangs and the bings and the clap traps.

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Speaker 2: Man, Sharon, I cannot wait to go on this journey

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 4: Play music the way it's supposed to be played, with

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Speaker 4: the guitars and the drums and the lyrics.

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Speaker 2: I have a wild, wild panther in me, and you

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Speaker 2: know how it is to be married to such a

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Speaker 2: successful and sexy man. And there was something in me

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Speaker 4: Trada, come here, put your hand on my breast. Hmmm.

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Speaker 2: They're so small and supple.

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Speaker 4: Thank you. They're bit oh not quite well, they used

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Speaker 4: to be a little lower. But I bet you know

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Speaker 2: Oh? I'm in all of you, Sharon. I actually am heterosexual.

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Speaker 2: I love women, and I love their bodies and I

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Speaker 2: love their breast. But yeah, no, I'm I'm attracted to men. What.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Well, it doesn't sound a lot you're superhero because

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Speaker 4: you just said you'll find women's bodies quite beautiful. But listen,

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Speaker 4: we're gonna be sisters at all's best.

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Speaker 2: You're so crazy and you're a panther like me. This

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Speaker 4: All rot me ow, you're weird. Who's that knocking at

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Speaker 4: the door. It's all your friends. You've filthy horse, your

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Speaker 4: husband's gone, and we've got books and a bottle of

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Speaker 4: wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure it's memoir. It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Poop Club. Read it while it's hot. Celebrity poop Club.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No boys are a loud cleo, say it loud and

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Speaker 2: pound Celebrity book Club. Buzz me in. I brought the

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Speaker 2: queer vow. Hey, best friend, I'm so honored to be

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Speaker 4: Thank you for joining me here, and thank you to

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Speaker 4: all our listeners for joining us.

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Speaker 2: And our viewers at Facebook Live. This is a very,

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Speaker 4: We would like to welcome you to the Red Table,

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Speaker 4: where nothing is off limits.

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Speaker 2: And respect is the number one priority.

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Speaker 4: And honesty comes first, a place where we are all

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Speaker 2: Today, we will be talking about motherhood, what it is

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Speaker 4: We will be talking about blended families, town homes.

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Speaker 2: Row houses, big old farm houses too. We're going to

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Speaker 4: Warning, pepuscha, those who suffer from it, those who don't. Yet.

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Speaker 2: We will be talking about the LGBTQ plus community.

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Speaker 4: Of which I am not a part of. I respect.

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Speaker 4: Because nothing is off the table. When the table is

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Speaker 2: You are there with family. Who are we discussing today?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm so excited to delve into this topic.

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Speaker 4: This woman, this life, this book, this journey. We read

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Speaker 4: a thick tome and it was worth it because we

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Speaker 2: Because you are worth it, and you are worthy. Stephen,

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Speaker 2: Look at me. You are worthy, You are worthy. Say

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Speaker 4: No, you're right, I am worthy. We of course read

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Speaker 2: Bye none other then pets.

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Speaker 4: But the back is read and it just has a

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Speaker 4: quote A queen is her own savior. Her magic is quiet,

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Speaker 4: potent and mysterious. And the cover is is this called

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Speaker 2: Isn't this also like what Chuck Close does.

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Speaker 2: Right, no, because he does hyperrealism.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, hyperrealism where it's like so like you turn the

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Speaker 2: Right, this is a lot of little photos of Jada

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Speaker 4: And like most memoir Okay, it's not actually in black

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Speaker 4: This will be the truth and it's the font is

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Speaker 4: very live left love girl Boss, like in like a

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Speaker 2: Because it's like this big, heavy script.

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Speaker 4: It looks like it would say like I'm the boss

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Speaker 4: of my Friday, like in Neon at like a Brow

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Speaker 2: I could also just see it being saying Easter on

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, there's just.

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Speaker 2: There's so much in this book, and again it is

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Speaker 4: We got this book in the mill a few months

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Speaker 2: And there's two thousand pounds of emotional weight in this book.

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Speaker 4: Honey, the baggage is real baggage claim, Okay, head to terminal.

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Speaker 4: See And if you don't know Jada, then you're saying,

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Speaker 4: but I don't know. I mean, she's very spiritual, but

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Speaker 4: The movie WU Set It Off, which is such an

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Speaker 2: Is she hardly mentions.

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Speaker 4: It, well, okay, she mentions any different movies, she skips

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Speaker 4: And she references how she loves the LGBTQA plus community,

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Speaker 2: But hardly mentions the experimenting. But in other articles she

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Speaker 4: And it's like, was that you and Queen Latifa on

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Speaker 2: Who she loves? Who I saw perform at a Liberty

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Speaker 2: She did? She did rock the party. I rocked the

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Speaker 2: body that rocks the party. Oh that's her SEMs Light.

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Speaker 2: Oh fuck yeah, hip hop fiftieth anniversary years of you

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Speaker 4: I've been celebrating all year at locations throughout Queens and Brooklyn.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, Jada is she's an iconic figure. She's obviously

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Speaker 4: The red table, representing fire safety and warmth, is also

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Speaker 4: transformation through communication, through confession and through expression. The red

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Speaker 4: But there's the time when he's in prison and he's

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Speaker 4: to be like totally fine.

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00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:11,880
Speaker 2: Well, and it's I feel like if you're a nurse

441
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,159
Speaker 2: and you're being so like eighteen hour workdays and then

442
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: it's like you sleep and you do Heroine. I'm like

443
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,920
Speaker 2: schedule of a high functioning Heroin addict.

444
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,120
Speaker 4: But she basically says she wants to be a Queen Pin.

445
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 4: She goes, if anyone was going to give me the

446
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 4: trappings of the good life, it was going to be me.

447
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 4: I came to the conclusion that I could be a

448
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 4: successful drug dealer as any man. In my view, I

449
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 4: could work my way to running a whole operation be

450
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:34,920
Speaker 4: a Queen Pin.

451
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: Well, there was that movie Queen Pins with like Kirsten

452
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: Bell and like someone else. Yeah, that was about them

453
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 2: like running over.

454
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: And there's also that new show like Griselda that I

455
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 4: feel like a friend there always just being like queen

456
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 4: Pin and they're like using Queen Pin in the tagline

457
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: of my time.

458
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: So when she is being a Queen Pin, I thought

459
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: this was so cute. She was like Tubac was like

460
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,239
Speaker 2: so poor and he didn't have any clothes, and so

461
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 2: she was like, so I would go to the gap

462
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 2: and buy him all this stuff, but then like to

463
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 2: not embarrass his masculinity. I would be like, oh, I

464
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 2: just saw the fhighest pair of kat keys that I

465
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: thought you could rock.

466
00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,640
Speaker 4: Well, she's getting in play disco because she works at.

467
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: The Gap too, though, getting that thirty percent off.

468
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean, well, the still it's like thirteen No,

469
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: it's still like really, the.

470
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,399
Speaker 2: Gap is expensive to the gap used to be. The

471
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Gap is now always forty percent off as you family

472
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: stay only to chop out when you've been locked out. Yeah,

473
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 2: but it used to be. I feel like more like

474
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 2: straight up like everything was seventy no sales.

475
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: No sales, no sales. But she is being badass.

476
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 2: She's being insanely badass.

477
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 4: The part when she goes someone tries to get her

478
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: to like fairy drugs around and she's like, no, like

479
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 4: I'm a dealer. She goes, I knew I didn't want

480
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 4: to be a mule. I don't want to put myself

481
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 4: in a position where dude at his boot of my neck.

482
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 4: Mules never called the shots. I wanted to call shots.

483
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 2: And then like she was always.

484
00:23:58,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 4: Like these are all lines from.

485
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 2: Protecting her, like random punk friends from school, because she

486
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 2: was being like watch out, like you don't want to

487
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: go there, like that's for Queen Pins and she was

488
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,959
Speaker 2: like these were some dirty looking white punk boys. Yes,

489
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: which also this is where her love of punk and

490
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: metal and new wave starts, because later, of course, she

491
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 2: is famous for being in the all black new metal

492
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 2: band Wicked Wisdom, Wicked Wisdom female fronted toward Ozfest, which

493
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: she says, which I didn't realize, but obviously she got

494
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 2: like so much hate.

495
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was like neo Nazis, like.

496
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: The New Jersey like PC and Banking Center, like Heiling Hitler.

497
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 4: And then like who like defends her j somebody.

498
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: I think, just like one of the security guards like

499
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: defends her as like this guy is trying to like

500
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: storm the stage.

501
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 4: But back to childhood, so she's still I guess we're

502
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: in teenage. So obviously like also librity, she is constantly

503
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 4: referencing how she's like so and like the thinnest person

504
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 4: and like, yeah, I didn't have any meat on my

505
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 4: bones and some of these other girls had juicy bottoms

506
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 4: and yes, I had to use a stunt on one

507
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: of my sex scenes because I never do nudity.

508
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 2: This is insane. Like Will brings his grandmother to introduce

509
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: to Jada and he like plays Jason's lyric which I

510
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: haven't seen this movie where she has some like sex

511
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 2: scene the forest and she walks into the grandma watching

512
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: the sex scene and.

513
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: Then she has to be like, oh, that's not me,

514
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 4: it's a body up and the Grandma's like okay.

515
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 2: She's like sure, and then Will's just like laughing and

516
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 2: being like we're all gonna laugh later, and.

517
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: She's like and we're still arguing about whether I was funny.

518
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 4: I do feel like it's like a bit of a

519
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 4: contradiction that she's like, I'm so bad us I am

520
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: like this rough around the edges, like take no prisoners,

521
00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,199
Speaker 4: take no shit, sassy woman who speaks her mind. But

522
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 4: then I'm like not doing nude scenes.

523
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,400
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me because I feel like that's

524
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 2: a little more nineties feminism, Like she's like, I'm not

525
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: going to be a wet T shirt contest. I'm going

526
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: to be like a famous black actress that will be respected.

527
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it makes a lot of sense also with

528
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: her politics like constantly which are always being just like

529
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 4: why does rap have to be so great? Women so like,

530
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 4: and she's confronting like on VH one like at a

531
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 4: round table.

532
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 2: She like literally was so kind of a red table.

533
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: Before the red table, she.

534
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 4: Was saying that like nine years before, MPR was doing

535
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: a story about how Snoop Dogg is demeaning to women,

536
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 4: and like, my mom was being like, I don't know

537
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: about the Snoop dog.

538
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 2: She was like, what does every word have to rhyme

539
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: with the famous died and Keaton line? And then easy

540
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 2: E is like, damn, you're right, why do I demean women?

541
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: And her and Tupac were always getting in so many

542
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: arguments because he was like, you're my like perfect friend

543
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: who I love and like hose are hose And she's like,

544
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 2: but I could be a hoe. He's like, but you're

545
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: not a hoe.

546
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 4: And he's trying to make this like exception and be

547
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 4: so like no, like some women are hoes and don't

548
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 4: deserve respect, but you're not a hoe. And she's just

549
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 4: being like, Okay, what if I am.

550
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: Which brings me back to her being a lesbian, because

551
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,959
Speaker 2: he's like, you're my lesbian friend, yeah, who like I

552
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 2: am maybe attracted to, and then there are hoes.

553
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 4: This is kind of her being like I'm not like

554
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: other girls. It's kind of her being I'm thin, And

555
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 4: it's also her being a lesbian, which is her being

556
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 4: like I'm so hairy and like keeps talking about how

557
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 4: she's like, sorry, I'm so crazy hairy.

558
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 2: She could be like, Oh, on the East Coast, we

559
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: didn't shave, and when I moved to the West Coast,

560
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: everyone was like, oh, you're so hairy.

561
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 4: And yes, I think that's like partially true obviously, like

562
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: alle girls like West coasts, like across automographics, like is

563
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 4: more shaven, but like she's still being more lesbian about

564
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 4: it in this way, like I'm just all so over

565
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 4: here definitely shaving their legs right and getting Brazil. And

566
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 4: then there's that scene later when Will this.

567
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: Is so funny and like, I'm sorry, this is why

568
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: I wrote a letter to Will Smith at age six,

569
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: being like I'm obsessed with you.

570
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,160
Speaker 4: Basically, he like has this hat, okay, so like it's

571
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: one of those hats, like a hat that has the

572
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: built in dread oh no, that you like.

573
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: Buy at a party store. So they're going to like

574
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: some event, and she gets out of the shower and

575
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: he like looks at her and starts like making fun

576
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: of the fact that she has like so much like

577
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 2: pubic hair and like.

578
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 4: Isn't wild unamed bush.

579
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: So he goes while she's like moisturizing and picking out outfits,

580
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: he goes and gets this hat that she describes as

581
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: a beanie with dreads coming out of it, which sounds

582
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: very ie party like yes, rosta Manhattan, And then he

583
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: pulls up his underwear so it looks like women's underwear,

584
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: and then he stuffs the hat with the dreads so

585
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: it's falling.

586
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 4: Out, falling out of the cross the underwear, and he's

587
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: just like, this is what I'm looking at all the

588
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: time right now. That's so fun and playful.

589
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: In your open non open marriage. Because recently when this

590
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 2: book came out, it came out that they have technically

591
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 2: been separated since twenty sixteen, her and Will.

592
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 4: Right, but she's still being like he's my husband.

593
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 2: He is my husband, because she's like, I made a

594
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: promise to his mother because they didn't get a prenup,

595
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 2: and she was like, I will knock out a prenup

596
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 2: because I will promise to trust you forever.

597
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 4: And she says even when she gets to the slap

598
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 4: like at the very end of the book when he says,

599
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: keep my wife's name out of your mouth to Chris

600
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 4: Rock and she's like, oh, I forgot I was his wife.

601
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: She literally was like talking about she was like.

602
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 2: I was even surprised that I guess he wanted me

603
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: to go with him to all the oscars because it

604
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: was when he did King Richard. But just to get

605
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 2: back to the lesbian.

606
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: Part of it, which is kind of the whole book

607
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: we have.

608
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 2: Here is the first time in the book she says

609
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: she is not gay. And this was when she's like

610
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 2: first moved to like La and she's like nineteen and

611
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: going out for roles. Now, there have always been rumors

612
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 2: that I'm gay, that I like women. Maybe that had

613
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: something to do with the clubs where I hung out,

614
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: like the Catch, one of the leading lgbt Q plus

615
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 2: spots in LA at this time that had nights for

616
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: getting up and doing lip syncs, describing karaoke as getting

617
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: up and doing lip syncs, and where I's not karaoke, oh,

618
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 2: because it's more like yeah, saying for your life.

619
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 4: So in the queer community life, there's this thing called

620
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 4: drag and it's a performance. It's also known as female impersonation.

621
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 4: I know that does gonna sound crazy, but men will

622
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 4: put on a wig, they will mouth the words to

623
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: a song, but they're not actually singing.

624
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like the Montana Boys Chris Cavalari's Boyfriend's.

625
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: Crew exactly, very similar.

626
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so one of the leading LGBTQ plus spots in

627
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: LA at this time. They had the nights for getting

628
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: up and doing lip syncs, which I now know what

629
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: that is and where I myself on stuff all occasions,

630
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 2: gone up on stage and lip saying to all kinds

631
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: of songs. I killed Madonna's Vogue there one night. The

632
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: truth is that during those.

633
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: Early the way she says that is a little bit like.

634
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: It's a little like chat GPT talking.

635
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: It's a littlept on many occasions, like I sang all

636
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: kinds of songs, but I also wonder if it's a

637
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: little hard, like she's actually fully wasted. Yeah, and she's

638
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 4: just being like no, like I want to do like wait,

639
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 4: let me know, I want to you know, I'm saying

640
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: there just like again and like she's kind of in

641
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 4: a bad job of it. I'm like, okay, thanks Jada.

642
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 4: And then like the time she did Vogue, like people

643
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: were he asked queening her a lot and that was

644
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 4: kind of it was one time she wasn't like so sloppy.

645
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: I think she is sober now, but she goes on

646
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: and off sober, and she does say she gets quite beligible.

647
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: Let me just continue to quote. The truth is that

648
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: during those early years of exploration in Hollywood, I had

649
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: a few sexual experiences with women, only to realize that

650
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: when it comes to sex, I love men. Still, I

651
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: cherish the beauty of women inside and out, and I

652
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: have never stopped being infatuated in an awe of women

653
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 2: of all ages, sizes, and colors. My belief is women

654
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: are the most amazing creatures on the planet, and I

655
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: hold reverence for women through my friendship friendships, friendship friendships.

656
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 4: M Yeah, those two paragraphs are a big old HM

657
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Speaker 4: for big old question mark.

658
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Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, so we said it or we.

659
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Speaker 4: Didn't so it Ben said. But it's not so like

660
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 4: when it comes to sex, I love men. I mean, okay,

661
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Speaker 4: So the question is did you fully have sex with

662
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Speaker 4: Queen Latifa instead of set it off?

663
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Speaker 2: And then did they have a reunion on the set

664
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Speaker 2: of Girls Trip?

665
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: Because both of those movies are like really about Queen Latifah,

666
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Speaker 4: like being and but then it's like it's such like

667
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 4: a plot point of the movie that's also unspoken in

668
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Speaker 4: the movie.

669
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Speaker 2: Queen Latifa at least and set it Off is so

670
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Speaker 2: it's like just about her being a lesbian like Cornrows mechanic,

671
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Speaker 2: like having a girlfriend.

672
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean girls Trip. There's this whole plot though

673
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 4: about how they were just like she's like falling out

674
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Speaker 4: and she's like so Butch and Blazer.

675
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Speaker 2: Like she's being like the she Boss version of her

676
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Speaker 2: like set it Up character, and she's like Blazer and

677
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Speaker 2: like and like set it Off as like one of

678
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: the most canonical lesbian movies. Yeah, And I feel like

679
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 2: she gives a lot of pages in this book to

680
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Speaker 2: like the Matrix or Jason's lyric or like menace to

681
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Speaker 2: Society And then.

682
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Speaker 4: Or did she hook up with mc light who was

683
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Speaker 4: her homegirl for a quite some time.

684
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Speaker 2: Mc light is still her best friend, and I could

685
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Speaker 2: see them kind of maybe in a Whitney situation, like

686
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Speaker 2: hooked up at first.

687
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: Because that's just the scenario for an mc light. This

688
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 4: is like earlier in her career and like one of

689
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Speaker 4: those nights that they went to one of the LGBTQA

690
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Speaker 4: plus leading clubs of Los Angeles. In those days, I

691
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 4: could seriously drink a lot of folks under the table

692
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Speaker 4: and still be on my feet. It was the pinket

693
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Speaker 4: in me. Light was often at my side on those

694
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Speaker 4: occasions when I was straight wild, and although she partied

695
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: hard on her own right, she always maintained the wherewithal

696
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 4: to make sure I didn't get into too much trouble.

697
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Speaker 4: So it also being her tack picture, which is very

698
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Speaker 4: top and there's this crazy bottom on this Saturday, before

699
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Speaker 4: I even went out, I'd already down damn near a

700
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Speaker 4: full bottle of red wine. Her beverage of choice. Is

701
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Speaker 4: that very like butch lesbian top to be like only

702
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Speaker 4: drink red wine.

703
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Speaker 2: The red wine threw me for a sec.

704
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Speaker 4: Okay, maybe it's like not at all, It's actually just

705
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Speaker 4: a Kelsey Belleradi smoked enough weed to almost pass out

706
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Speaker 4: and then taken a tab of X. Light, looked at

707
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Speaker 4: me and my Lena james esk attire basically eclectic street wear,

708
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: and responded to my slurred question by saying, yeah, let's go.

709
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Speaker 4: Before we left, I took a shot of Cravasier to

710
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 4: top it off. Fat mix brown liquor in particular usually

711
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 4: became the gateway to my more aggressive dark side.

712
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: Like when she jumped off the roof into the pool

713
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Speaker 2: to seduce.

714
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Speaker 4: Well and tell him that she loved him.

715
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,240
Speaker 2: After like yelling at him for talking to his ex wife,

716
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 2: which was.

717
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 4: So bold that it did make him fall in love

718
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Speaker 4: with her. Okay, And then if I may, if it

719
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 4: may please the court, if I submit another piece of

720
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 4: evidence into the lesbian case file. She's talking about meeting

721
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: a certain person who is Mexican German by the name

722
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 4: of Caesar Milan. I met him shortly after his arrival

723
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 4: when I needed assistance with some Rottweilers I was fostering.

724
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 4: I'd inherited two adult rots and their puppies, helping out

725
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Speaker 4: a friend in a tight squeeze. That friend sent me

726
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Speaker 4: to this uniquely givet the dog whisper for guidance on

727
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Speaker 4: how to care for the dogs, so the Rottwiler fosters.

728
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the rottwiler fostering for a second. Four.

729
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: By the way, she's like twenty two later.

730
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Speaker 4: When I found myself with four male Rottwiler, ses was

731
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Speaker 4: able to make me a full fledged leader of my

732
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Speaker 4: first pack. It's just like I've never heard of anything

733
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Speaker 4: more lesbian than being the leader of backs of.

734
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Speaker 2: Rottweiler's and also befriending one of the most up and

735
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Speaker 2: coming dog trainers out there to have a pack.

736
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Speaker 4: And then she's like, he only spoke German, and I

737
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: was like, you're gonna need to speak English if you

738
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: want to reach the world. So she pays for his

739
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 4: English lessons.

740
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Speaker 2: That is the most honestly shocking revelation. Everyone's like, oh,

741
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: they're separate, hernbal and separated the slap. It's like the

742
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: most shocking revelations that she paid for Caesar Milan's English lessons.

743
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 2: I mean they are lifelong friends because like literally on

744
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: her forty ninth birthday at the end of the book,

745
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 2: after like in her Eyea Journey, She's just like, Caesar

746
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: Milan gifted me a frenchie that I named Bandit. What

747
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 2: a beautiful forty ninth present.

748
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 4: It's like, I'll give me a French bull love for

749
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 4: my former birthday. I get here.

750
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: That's literally what you're getting. Nothing is more forty nine

751
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 2: year old gay guy who's about to do ayahuasca.

752
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that's so true.

753
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: I think also in just the lesbian category is the

754
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: fact that she did kind of Mary Will's so young

755
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 2: and he is. I think they're both by like, I

756
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: do believe that they had a connection and an attraction

757
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: to each other and an understanding.

758
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 4: There is something so tom Cruise about him in terms

759
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 4: of his insane like professionalism and dedication to the work

760
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 4: and bloodthirsty intent on being famous and like ambition and

761
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 4: like and like creating like a level of superstardom for

762
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 4: himself that was like kind of unprecedented. I feel like

763
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 4: it requires a certain like not just drive, but like

764
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: some like absolute crazy amount of like repressing something to

765
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 4: be able to focus so intently on that.

766
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 2: And she talks about you know, of course, like when

767
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: they first met, he was like more known as a

768
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: comedian and she's like he was not the funniest in

769
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 2: the room, Like he was actually very intense.

770
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, she thinks he's so smart.

771
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 2: Wait, this fight they get into was actually so.

772
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: Okay movie one of the parts where she says he's

773
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 4: so smart and she's like they love talking.

774
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: Oh, and she's like, we talked about pie.

775
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 4: His level of intelligence mixed with his Westpilly grit was compelling.

776
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 4: We each understood where the other came from and there

777
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 4: was no need to offer explanations. He also had a

778
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 4: unique way of presenting an argument. On our very first date,

779
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: we were sitting in a restaurant having a fierce debate

780
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 4: over dinner. Will pointed to his glass as a visual

781
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 4: component understanding perception. You see that glass, it's to the

782
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 4: right from where you're sitting. He waited for me to agree,

783
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 4: and I did. But from where I'm sitting it's on

784
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 4: my left.

785
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 2: The bar was actually the most Also Tom Cruise scientology

786
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: like movie argument where it's like you leave a date

787
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: and you're kind of like, who is this guy? But

788
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: he's like, he's like, think of it this way. Look

789
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: at the way you're holding your fork. You're scared, you're

790
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: eating your chicken slowly, but surely. Now look how I

791
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: griped my knife. And then she's like, damn, he convinced me.

792
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 4: But it's even less for something than that. He's literally

793
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 4: just being like, well, I'm facing the other direction than you,

794
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 4: and it's a little bit college stoner dorm room philosophy, right,

795
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 4: And she's just like, damn, he made me think.

796
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 2: And she refers back to that in the book and

797
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: she's like, and then I would think back right dinner.

798
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 4: And sometimes something that's on your left is actually on

799
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 4: someone else's right.

800
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 2: It also feels kind of in this Tom Cruise like

801
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 2: gay Scientology way, where it's like they met a bunch

802
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 2: of times her in Will, like he came down to

803
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 2: like some set and like met her to Chinese restaurant

804
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: and was like, will you be in this movie? And

805
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: she was like no, no, no. He asks her out,

806
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: She's like, you're still married. Then finally when she hears

807
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: that he gets divorced, they have a phone call and

808
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 2: they like start courting.

809
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: He calls her and he's like, are you seeing anyone?

810
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: She goes now, He goes, you're seeing me now?

811
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Speaker 2: Confidence She loves, She loves. This is what I'm saying.

812
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: I feel like they did have this bisexual, chaotic bisexual connection.

813
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: You think it is sexual, because it could also just

814
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: be so Bill and Hillary in this way, I.

815
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: Think they're ault very Bill and Hillary's.

816
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: Just like they have a similarly minded political project.

817
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: And she says when they have their like separation at

818
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen room, when she's like, oh, and of course

819
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 2: we were still entangled in tons of projects because we

820
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: always saw it and they're so like production company. Yeah,

821
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: and she's like, and I found an amazing director for

822
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 2: the King Charles movie and then I backed out. But

823
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,720
Speaker 2: the director I found plus Hope.

824
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 4: Okay, but I want to talk briefly about what she

825
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 4: calls the Golden Age of Black Hollywood in the nineties,

826
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 4: because she is part of this like huge new wave

827
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: of mainstream films like geared towards black audiences, but also

828
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 4: crossover films. Yeah, you know Nia Long, Holly Berry, Vivica A. Fox,

829
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 4: and like all of these up becoween actresses are and

830
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 4: like I'm hil Lari Parker and like, yes you had,

831
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 4: like you know the Wayans Brothers and Eddie Murphy are

832
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 4: like going from stand up headlining like a huge movie.

833
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 4: But then all these women are coming up too, and

834
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: there's so many of these good movies that.

835
00:40:58,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: We love, Oh we love.

836
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: And I watched WU last night, which is amazing and

837
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: so kooky.

838
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: It's so kooky and it's like it's almost sci fi

839
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 2: in this way.

840
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: Well it's also because like some of me like kind

841
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 4: of nineties like pointy shoulders like makes it feel sci.

842
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: Fi, right, And she has this severe what she may say,

843
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: visual artist her cut in it.

844
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it's a bob but it's like super angular

845
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: and it's.

846
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 2: About like a fabulous like woman who dates like and.

847
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 4: She's like super sassy and crazy and this guy is

848
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 4: such an uptight lawyer and like they have this crazy date.

849
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 4: But you know, I love this era and this was

850
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 4: such an exciting era and film because and she talks

851
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 4: about it, she's like, you know, Hollywood's starting to realize that,

852
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 4: like you know, black actors could be bankable. And I

853
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, in some ways, we've almost lost that.

854
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, you know, nothing lasts forever, but.

855
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I wonder if it's all.

856
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: Even though Hollywood's so much more like diverse now, it

857
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 4: feels like we're not in that golden age of.

858
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: Like it's also kind of because we've like lost what

859
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: like comedy films are, yeah, which I think also has

860
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: to do.

861
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 4: I mean, the movies obviously are like over like in general,

862
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 4: like right, so every golden age of film has come

863
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: to an end.

864
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 2: I know, I well, I mean Girls Trip.

865
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 4: But Girls Ship is like the exception that proves the rule.

866
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: Like Girlship is one of the funniest movies of like

867
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 4: the past ten years, but it's such an outlier.

868
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,720
Speaker 2: No, I know, it's like that was such an outletter

869
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,760
Speaker 2: and I remember I us cracking up, like falling over

870
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: at the movie theater at Boston Common. Yeah, but I'm like,

871
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 2: what's the funniest movie that's happened since Girls Trip? I

872
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 2: can't even think of it even.

873
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 4: Though, but like, obviously there are trying to make comedies

874
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 4: that are like I mean that Jennifer Lawrence movie was

875
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 4: like fine, fine, but.

876
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: It's like to even put that in the same category.

877
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: Some of them it was like barely there right, you

878
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: were like, oh, I see a glimpse of what comedies

879
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:47,319
Speaker 2: used to be.

880
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're always like remaking an old film and.

881
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: Like like oh, we need to remake and now we're.

882
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 4: Doing like The Black Little Mermaid. But I'm just like,

883
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 4: we used to have like so many like original stories.

884
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: Literally comedian stories.

885
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,879
Speaker 4: That like we were giving a platform two and there

886
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: was just like it was such a vibrant time.

887
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 2: Where did it go? We've lost We literally have lost.

888
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 4: I guess it's just streaming maybe.

889
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 2: And Netflix and Hulu. And also before we go to segments,

890
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: just a few things. One, she homeschools her children and

891
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: that's why she says she joined scientology just to learn

892
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: how to homeschool them, which is completely insane.

893
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, also calls them her little gurus.

894
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 2: Two. Willow's music is amazing, And this whole part also

895
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: about how like Jaden emancipates himself at fifteen, and she

896
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: walks into a ballroom at one of their homes and

897
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 2: he's doing a charcoal drawing about like pollution of water.

898
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 2: And then of course instantly she's like, so we set

899
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: up a five oh one three CB nonprofit to like

900
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 2: give back to Flint, Michigan. And after setting up his

901
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 2: five oh one three c B, like, he just like

902
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: leaves and goes and lives with his friends and like

903
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: a hype house. I guess.

904
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 4: Well. And then also when Willow watches the Cony twenty

905
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: twelve YouTube video and she's like, mom, did you know

906
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 4: that there are more humans trafficked in the United States?

907
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: Not that like at any time, and she was just like,

908
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 4: I didn't know this. I thought that the sex slave

909
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 4: trade was something that only happened in like Southeast Asia,

910
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: And so I decided to co chair a fundraiser against trafficking.

911
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 4: Because Willow watched Cody twenty twelve, but like.

912
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then she's like, and now we're code sharing.

913
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 4: It's a little bit just like her kids are like

914
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 4: seeing a post on Instagram and just being like a mom,

915
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 4: you need to see this, and she's just been like damn, damn.

916
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: I mean I think with your mom. Is Jada in

917
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 2: such a worthy warrior Like most kids will be like, oh,

918
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 2: it's so fucked up after watching the Netflix documentary about

919
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 2: like meat, But Jada's like, thank you so much for

920
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 2: seeing me and feeling safe enough to tell me about that.

921
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: Hurry and we will fight this together. And now we

922
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,840
Speaker 2: are going on tour and Willow your next like TikTok

923
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: all proceeds will go to fight animals. Her talking about

924
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: how like Willow really wanted a snake and she was

925
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 2: so afraid of snakes, but then she learned to love

926
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: the snake and it became her snake.

927
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. She kind of just can't not imbue everything with

928
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 4: an insane like spiritual journey metaphor, because the book also

929
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:29,919
Speaker 4: each chapter.

930
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 2: Ends with a bell ringing on the audio it will

931
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: going okay.

932
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 4: I was mostly book focused that hear the ding. Okay.

933
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 4: She's pulling a lot from Eastern philosophy for sure.

934
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:42,400
Speaker 2: I mean Buddha.

935
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it also has this thing where it's like,

936
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: ask yourself, how has generational trauma affected you? Write down

937
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: some things that you're holding on to that you need

938
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 4: to let go of. Like it's also been a little

939
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 4: bit work book.

940
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a journal workbook and we're asking ourselves questions.

941
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 2: There's obviously, you know, so much more to dive into.

942
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 2: I think this book is more something one always will

943
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: go back to and learn from.

944
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean going back to this. But I

945
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 4: love when she's a When Will like they're like hosting

946
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,359
Speaker 4: like the New Year's party at the White House, and

947
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 4: he's like, we get to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom. Sheida,

948
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,800
Speaker 4: it's the Lincoln bedroom. We get to sleep in the

949
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 4: same room as the emancive patient proclamation. Will. I get it,

950
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 4: but after a long night, I'm not trying to stand

951
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 4: Lincoln's dusty ass bedroom.

952
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 2: Also best part of the book because this like parts

953
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: like all about how her journey of like wanting to

954
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: be alone and Will always wanted to have these huge

955
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 2: parties and his love language was kind of like she

956
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: basically says, also kind of gay like throwing parties.

957
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: No, she said, I think she uses the word event ties.

958
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: Yes, she was like, which is actually the game so gay?

959
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 4: For he always wanted to aventize things. I bet he did.

960
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 4: And he's just being like, ah, yeah, we're gonna have

961
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 4: an open mar We're having a gusts last time.

962
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, we're doing this, Santa fe. It's a

963
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 2: journey because like you love journeys or whatever. And then

964
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: like we're doing open bar. Then we're doing a dinner.

965
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: And he's okay, Jada, I decided on the colors for

966
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: your forty birthday past. We're going to do deep purple

967
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: and orange.

968
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: And she's like, will have you even seen what Willow

969
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: is showing me? Right now? What's happening in the world.

970
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: I want to be alone with the people I love.

971
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: And people are always coming up to her. It's always

972
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: her female friends note in the book, who are always

973
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: pulling her aside, going Jada, what's up? Something's wrong?

974
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 4: Well, you know, men don't know the adventize are you worthy?

975
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 4: For segments?

976
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: What does she wear?

977
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 4: What does she eat? Okay, just to get into how

978
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 4: does she live for?

979
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: I mean Buddha, Buddha Buddha, but she's also so real

980
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 2: estate and has a farmhouse. She like so many homes

981
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: that she's like putting her family members in.

982
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 4: She talks about liking roominess because she talks about the

983
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 4: town home with a two car carport that she buys

984
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 4: when like she first gets money.

985
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: Oh, her first apartment is haunted, and she is always

986
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: talking about how she was like, so, my girlfriends would

987
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: come and stay, but they would always be like Jada,

988
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna get a hotel.

989
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 4: I saw a ghost last night and like, Will didn't

990
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 4: like how haunted it was. I didn't mind the ghosts.

991
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 4: It's like okay. And then she talks about the time

992
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 4: when she's staying it that holiday inn and she was like, no,

993
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 4: it was not glamorous, but it was roomy.

994
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: And that's by the Hooters.

995
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 4: I will meet her in like North Carolina. I think

996
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 4: that for those reasons. The rooms are big.

997
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: I imagine it's the biggest couch you've ever seen in like

998
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 2: this in your entire life.

999
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 4: The bedroom is like it's not a California king, it's

1000
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 4: an Alaska king. The bedstands are like built in with

1001
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 4: like there's so many like license chargers, and it's like

1002
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 4: the thing with the bed where it's like there's like

1003
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 4: a platform before you get to the bed that is

1004
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 4: fabric covered. It's not like a wooden platform, you know,

1005
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 4: it's like before you get to the bed.

1006
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Oh, you think it's like a padded velvet.

1007
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 4: If not velvet, then some kind of hm just like

1008
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: a regular fabric.

1009
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 2: Do you think like it's only red in the red

1010
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 2: room at the Red table, or like she's having these

1011
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,320
Speaker 2: dramatic red curtains throughout.

1012
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 4: No, I think it's pretty like subdued at this point.

1013
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 2: Like I do think her house with Will was just

1014
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 2: like a little bit Kardashian, yeah, and just huge white couches.

1015
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: But maybe her personal house now that like.

1016
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: They're technically separated, is a little funkier and more Buddha.

1017
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 4: It's Buddha, it's statue, it's masks.

1018
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: Tons of masks, tons of Buddhas.

1019
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 4: It's framed like her record that didn't go Platinum, of

1020
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 4: a Good Wisdom.

1021
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Right, which I was saying, is not on Spotify. You

1022
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: need to get to the bottom up. Yeah, And she's like,

1023
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 2: and I will not open for Guns n' Roses because

1024
00:49:58,800 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 2: I need to be there for Jada.

1025
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 4: Same even though he's emancipated.

1026
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: I think it was pre his emancipation. Willow's music is

1027
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 2: so good, by the way, her song with Travis Barker.

1028
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: Oh, because now she's more like she's like punk full

1029
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 4: rock and punk and like less pop and.

1030
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: She's kind of taken the wicked wisdom.

1031
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 4: I know. I kind of like her Calvin Harris music

1032
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 4: more I'm right and it's like more dancy.

1033
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: Give it for a rod. What about that song?

1034
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 4: What maybe I'm not knowing your rendition.

1035
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I should lip sying to it. Okay,

1036
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 2: what does she eat? So? I do believe she is

1037
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 2: sober now, but she talks about this time she got

1038
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: like so waste on rum punches and like, but.

1039
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 4: She becomes sugitarian. She's like during her pertagnancy, she goes

1040
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: vegetarian because she's just like, I could not be giving

1041
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 4: my new baby meat knowing what was going on with me,

1042
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 4: and so I did a high carb diet that allowed

1043
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 4: me to gain fifty pounds.

1044
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: And then she did the craziest workout because she was

1045
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: training for like the Matrix reloaded and lost all the weight.

1046
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 2: But I think it's yeah, it's like amazing bootables. I

1047
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: think she's trying out dope new vegan spots and being

1048
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: like this is an amazing like black gowned female chef

1049
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: who just opened this new vegan spot on like LaBrea.

1050
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 4: But I also just think that she's private chef.

1051
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: Right, I mean yeah, when she's not going out, she's.

1052
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 4: A little bit avantizing girls night and she's having six

1053
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 4: friends come over and a private chef is making them

1054
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 4: like fingerlicking delicious fried avocado fries. Yes, with like a

1055
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 4: Tamarin sauce for girls night around her non hierarchical tidy table.

1056
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: I'm also just like, is she still sober? I feel

1057
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 2: like she is like having a hibiscus a gave like tequila.

1058
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 4: She screams hibiscus to me. Obviously the type of access

1059
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 4: no longer there, right, maybe she's just like hibiscus once

1060
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: a month ayah went some month.

1061
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,879
Speaker 2: She's la sober. It's just like aya outible. Yes, Like

1062
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 2: what does she wear? So like right now that she

1063
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: is on alopecia journey but.

1064
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 4: Like not doing wigs because she's owning and celebrating her alopecia.

1065
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: And then like Willow shaved her head again, but now

1066
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 2: her hair is like back to long. But she was

1067
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 2: like so proud of like Willow.

1068
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 4: I think that there's a girl boss element to her obviously,

1069
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:24,360
Speaker 4: and like Red Table Talk is.

1070
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: It's almost like I don't want to put her in

1071
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: the girl boss cart because she's so beyond just girl boss.

1072
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,919
Speaker 4: Yes, But at the same time though it is cheetah.

1073
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 2: It's Glennon. I am a panther like.

1074
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 4: And I think that that like need to divulge and

1075
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 4: like it's like a sane like how like every female

1076
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 4: celebrity has a podcast called Let's Be Honest. It is

1077
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 4: in that category of like she kind of we are

1078
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: going to be honest here.

1079
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, she walked so Glennon could run right,

1080
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 2: Red Table came before, Yeah, we could do hard things.

1081
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 2: She also was very blanket to.

1082
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 4: Me, wearing a blanket like all.

1083
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: Crowling up with like love is blind style with like

1084
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: a huge blanket.

1085
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, are you just because she's so alopecia, which

1086
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: is like cancer coated and so she's like crapping herself up.

1087
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: I just think no, she's more like cozy and it's

1088
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 2: about like sharing but keeping yourself safe with blanket, right,

1089
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 2: who are you in the book?

1090
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 4: Am I the guy who steals the BMW? And it's

1091
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 4: like picks her up and just being like, get in,

1092
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 4: We're going for a ride, are you? Because I do

1093
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 4: feel like I was picking you up in my SOB

1094
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 4: and right like, get in, We're get in bed fast?

1095
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 2: Okay. I also feel like you're that and like also

1096
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,959
Speaker 2: her white punk friend in high school who like does

1097
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: get in the car with some guys. You're like, what,

1098
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: nothing could happen?

1099
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, nothing that could happen.

1100
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 2: And then you almost get murdered, which is cool. You're

1101
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: there to take your risk. I feel like, am i

1102
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 2: amc light drinking a whole bottle of red wine? Like

1103
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: I know, like I'm just like at Catch in nineteen

1104
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 2: ninety four.

1105
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 4: The LGBTQA just leading club. But yeah, you're being like, Hi,

1106
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 4: where's the karaoke contest? I'd love to sign up.

1107
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: Her mom is also really fun. I feel like I'm

1108
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: kind of her mom.

1109
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 4: I feel like her mom is like the same age

1110
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 4: as her.

1111
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 2: Well, her mom had her when she was like seventeen,

1112
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: so they're not you know, so far, but like on

1113
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 2: the Red Table Talk, it's very like.

1114
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:19,560
Speaker 4: They look literally at the same age.

1115
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 2: It almost even looks like younger. Yeah, bit because I

1116
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,439
Speaker 2: feel like Jada has like so many emotions that she's

1117
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: like aged herself a little bit, like.

1118
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 4: And she's an actress, yes as well she should.

1119
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 2: I give this book.

1120
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 4: It's tough to say for me because there is stuff

1121
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 4: in here that I was like, I love and I

1122
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 4: obviously love the golden age of Black Hollywood and going

1123
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 4: back and watching those movies. It's a little padded, I

1124
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 4: would say, at four fifty pages.

1125
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: No, it's like that things like I'm going to give

1126
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 2: it four panthers out of five, for like, there are

1127
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: just like so many good lines and like so much

1128
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 2: but you're almost like, we spent so much time here

1129
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 2: and maybe it's the fact that we had to read

1130
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: it in a day, but it's just like I'm finally

1131
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: getting to the slap and you're like, I'm yeah.

1132
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm giving it it's like maybe two

1133
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 4: point eight wow tables out of five. I really liked

1134
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 4: the earlier part of the book and like her upbringing.

1135
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 4: I thought that was like very interesting. There was like

1136
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: a lot of like plotting characters, but like when she

1137
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 4: starts to get famous, she's skipping over a lot of

1138
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 4: the stuff. She's like not really telling you about any

1139
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 4: of the like movies, we know her for she's always

1140
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: just like and then I was shooting like set it Off,

1141
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 4: like that was fun, and you're just like nothing, what

1142
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 4: and like it becomes like so spiritual journey and it's.

1143
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: A lot of her mental journey and you're kind of like,

1144
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,919
Speaker 2: I want to know all this stuff though about her

1145
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 2: and Will, but then you're like it's hard to follow,

1146
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 2: and then you're she's just being like, but I am

1147
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 2: a panther, which is also why I loved it though.

1148
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, and it does feel that kind of aiis

1149
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 4: we were reference in some part like where it feels

1150
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 4: like it just seems like there was more in here.

1151
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 4: It could have been edited down.

1152
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 2: And at the same time, for such a long ass book,

1153
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: I really was like tearing through it and is easy

1154
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 2: to read, yes, because you're just being like, okay, and

1155
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 2: now we're talking about Prince and now like you're talking

1156
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: about just like sugar Night giving ashes, and now we're

1157
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: talking about Set it Off. But I think where we

1158
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: come to a wall with us is that this whole

1159
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 2: book is about sharing and being vulnerable. Yet I still

1160
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 2: feel like there are.

1161
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 4: So many walls up.

1162
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 2: There's a lot of walls that are still here So Jada,

1163
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:33,720
Speaker 2: you are worthy.

1164
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 4: And you're welcome to come to the Red Studio anytime.

1165
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Best Celebrity book Club with Stephen and Lily is

1166
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: so honored to record in the Red Studio. iHeart Manhattan,

1167
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 2: produced by the wonderful Warrior Panther that is Darby Master's.

1168
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 2: Her and I met on the streets of Baltimore. She

1169
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 2: was skin and bones. Soon she owned those streets, making

1170
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: a band an hour. Now she runs an amazing animation

1171
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 2: studio in Los Angeles. Supervising producer Abu Zafar. Yes, he

1172
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 2: supervises this podcast, but he supervises so much more. My diet,

1173
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: my dogs. He trained me how to see into the

1174
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 2: soul of my Rottweilers. This podcast is executive produced by

1175
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: this wonderful woman who has taught me so much. I

1176
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: went to Vietnam with her. We did Aya together. Her

1177
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: name is Christina Everett. The music is done by Stephen

1178
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 2: Phillips Horse. He played with me in Wicked Wisdom and Ozfest.

1179
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: We didn't get along at first, but that's because we

1180
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: were so similar. It was hard to see eye to

1181
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: eye when you both have the same glow and fire

1182
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: in your heart. The artwork is dubbed by none other

1183
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 2: than Teddy Blank's one of the most amazing artists. Willow

1184
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 2: discovered him well and of course this podcast was co

1185
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:14,080
Speaker 2: birthed in the canal that is Dumbo with pro log projects.

1186
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,919
Speaker 2: Find us on Patreon. It is such an amazing community.

1187
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 2: It is more than a website, it is a lifestyle.

1188
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: So if you want to join us on their patreon

1189
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,439
Speaker 2: dot com slash CBC thepod and if you have any criticism,

1190
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 2: anything nice to say, anything you want to share, anything

1191
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 2: bad to say, bring us to the red table in

1192
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: the iTunes reviews on your podcast app. Thank you very much, Amen,

1193
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,919
Speaker 2: you are worthy. Look yourself in the mirror and say

1194
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: I love you.