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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieve. Happy New

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Speaker 1: Year to you. Happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: So there's lots of things we want to do with

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Speaker 2: this pod, and there will be an evolution of it.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, we're just going to use it right

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Speaker 2: now as a bit of an outlet continue to talk hoops,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to add other sports and I think

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Speaker 2: you're really going to enjoy what we'll put in again.

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Speaker 2: But I want to start with addressing some things, which

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Speaker 2: actually the biggest thing that everybody's talking about, which is

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Speaker 2: the transfer portal of how to change these things and

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Speaker 2: what to do. And that's interesting because you know, now

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Speaker 2: we're taking advice from people on TV. And I love

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Speaker 2: my dear friend Bruce Pearl, former Ballburn coach, the former

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee coach, the former Tennessee coach, and he was on

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Speaker 2: TNT and I heard him talking about the changes that

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Speaker 2: he would make, Okay, And the first thing is we

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Speaker 2: need to stop talking about the ten million, like he said,

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Speaker 2: like ten million dollars for college basketball. Bruce has no

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Speaker 2: concept of what the world looks like outside of the SEC.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I'm telling you this from a place of knowledge.

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Speaker 2: Let's just start with the Power five. Remember in college basketball,

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Speaker 2: there's a Power five, despite the fact that the Big

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Speaker 2: East this year, outside of maybe Yukon, isn't at the

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Speaker 2: level of most of the rest of the leagues. And

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Speaker 2: maybe we can get into why that is in this

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Speaker 2: pot in other pots, but there's the power for and

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Speaker 2: you throw in the Big East because with revshare, without

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Speaker 2: having football.

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Speaker 1: They're in the vicinity of everybody else.

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Speaker 2: And most people believe that Yukon and Saint John's Villanova

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Speaker 2: they're spending enough to keep up with the Joneses. But Bruce,

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Speaker 2: where the fucks that you come up with the number

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Speaker 2: of ten million dollars? I know for a fact, for

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Speaker 2: a fact, that's a high number of power for schools

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Speaker 2: don't get close to that number, not close. And if

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Speaker 2: they did get close to that number, they are going

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Speaker 2: to bankdrupt their own program and.

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Speaker 1: All of the other sports programs that they have to do.

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Speaker 1: This is the.

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Speaker 2: Problem with TV people is and I worked in TV

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Speaker 2: and I love the TV people, but they take the work.

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Speaker 1: From it from people who were in the industry.

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Speaker 2: And you have to take a snapshot of Bruce is

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Speaker 2: talking about at albert in the SEC, where everyone knows

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Speaker 2: that SEC schools before this were buying players and even

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Speaker 2: now are buying players.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just league, right, So.

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Speaker 2: They're willing to put more money because they have more money.

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Speaker 2: So the point is that, by my estimation, most schools

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Speaker 2: at the power flow level in order to make it sustainable.

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Speaker 2: And I love Dan Parmaman, he joins me on this podcast.

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Speaker 2: So Dan joined me in the last podcast and said, hey,

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Speaker 2: you know you're limiting all these things like Dan, that's great, okay,

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Speaker 2: but if you actually looked at the revenue, it's not there. Now.

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Speaker 2: You could make the argument in college shop okay, but

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Speaker 2: it's not there for everybody. And if you're trying to

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Speaker 2: create an ecosystem, you have to start. You have to

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Speaker 2: find a way in which you have a sustainable model.

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Speaker 2: The reason that everybody says not sustainable is can you

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Speaker 2: find the money to compete in the yearly basis?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but then you got to do it again and

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Speaker 2: the price goes out and again and again and again.

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Speaker 2: And while while so many people will point to the

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Speaker 2: ratings of March Badness and say, look at these ratings,

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Speaker 2: they are great, there's other factors that have nothing to

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Speaker 2: do with nil that increase the ratings.

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Speaker 1: You want to know what the number one factor in.

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Speaker 2: The March badness ratings are? Yeah, who's playing? What schools

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Speaker 2: are playing? Like, I'm not saying this because I think.

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Speaker 2: I'm saying this because I know. Here's the disingenuous part

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Speaker 2: about people on television and is Dan doesn't know because

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Speaker 2: Dan hasn't worked in TV. They all have the numbers. Okay,

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Speaker 2: we have too many games on TV. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 2: that much that you're on TV. But the only schools

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Speaker 2: that get numbers are consistent. Kentucky Duke gets a great number.

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Speaker 2: It helped that Duke had Cooper Flag that pumped up

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Speaker 1: That's the reality.

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Speaker 2: Yet, Hey, Kentucky's another one, Kansas another one.

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Speaker 2: I still think you have some name coaches that'll draw

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Speaker 2: Duke Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky. They all put up numbers in ratings.

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Speaker 2: Everything else doesn't matter nearly as much. It doesn't, Uh Michigan,

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Speaker 2: I think put up a good number, big ten school,

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Speaker 2: huge following big name. You know, think about how many

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Speaker 2: kids are named Jalen because of Jalen Rose back in

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Speaker 1: No one ever named their kid Jalen before that.

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Speaker 2: So before we get to this idea that everyone is

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Speaker 1: Second part to it is.

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Speaker 2: While the ratings can be good, the biggest issue in

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Speaker 2: terms of generating other revenue is home attendance.

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Speaker 1: And it's not always great.

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Speaker 2: And here's why I want you to imagine yourself as

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Speaker 2: a multi multi millionaire graduate in university, huge basketball fan,

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Speaker 2: and the athletic director calls you and says, hey, man,

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Speaker 2: we uh we need you to donate one hundred grand.

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Speaker 1: Us for get more kids, quality players.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, one hundred grand at the high

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Speaker 2: major is a is a bench player that never sees

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Speaker 2: the we need you to donate, Like, Okay, who's the player.

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: The major donations you're gonna go get for, you know,

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Speaker 2: pick high level, high major recruit. Okay, I'll just mention

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Speaker 2: Aj Debands. Aj Debandsa is great, super talented, seems to

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Speaker 2: play hard, has a chance, along with Darreon Peterson, to

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Speaker 2: be the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: Maybe Boozer.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And I can mention these guys as

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Speaker 1: They're not coming to Green Valley.

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Speaker 2: But why would I give money when there's no truns?

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Speaker 2: You know, we have donors and they're great. We probably

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Speaker 2: Everybody raises money differently. Some teams play six seven guarantee games.

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Speaker 2: but they want to know who these kids are. They

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Speaker 2: want to have them as part of the community. That's

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Speaker 2: what college athletics are always been, and we're making that

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Speaker 2: And then the bigger thing is for those donors, are

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Speaker 1: The other part.

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Speaker 2: There's two other parts to Bruce Pearls take or believes

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Speaker 2: which don't hold up. First thing is ten million dollars

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Speaker 2: is too much, Bruce. You gotta go open a spreadsheet

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Speaker 2: for most of these schools. Don't get me wrong, a

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Speaker 2: lot of these coaches make probably a bit too much

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Speaker 2: you're making plenty two, and then get everything else kind

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Speaker 2: of later when you retire or whatever, do the show

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Speaker 2: hey o Atani and use some of the rest of

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Speaker 2: the money to get better players. It's a pretty easy idea.

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Speaker 2: But the thing that's fascinating to me is like ninety

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Speaker 1: Ninetyve ever sent. That is an arbitrary number.

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Speaker 2: The second part is this uh and by the way,

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Speaker 2: I believe twenty two million dollars overall.

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Speaker 1: They could split it up however you want. Second part

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Speaker 1: do it is this.

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Speaker 2: The collective marketing everybody's talking about all these high.

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Speaker 1: Major coaches up at collective part. Charlie Banker was higher.

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Speaker 2: Because he has connections in DC. He can make it

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Speaker 2: happen in times. The way to do it is anti

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Speaker 2: I read Dan Wilkins article earlier this week where he

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Speaker 2: But that's not what's happening, okay, And there's no amount

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's for the players. I think it's

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Speaker 2: You really believe that ten years ago, if they would

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Speaker 1: Here's what happened.

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Speaker 2: All the SEC schools would offer you twenty five more

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Speaker 1: And it's a lot more than twenty five more. Right.

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Speaker 2: In addition, like you're dealing with human nature, and human nature,

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Speaker 2: especially in our society, says well they got twenty five,

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Speaker 2: that means they got twenty five or fifty more. No

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Speaker 2: money is always there, Ja billis, don'g tell me there's

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Speaker 2: not enough money. Jay, Have you actually gone and sat

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Speaker 2: down with that flet director and looked at the spreadsheet?

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Speaker 1: If you'd like to, I'll invite you to Green Bay, Wisconsant.

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Speaker 1: Come on up. I'll show you our spreadsheet. Let's say

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Speaker 1: you how much everything.

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Speaker 2: Costs, every flight, every meal, every tutor, every grad assistant,

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Speaker 2: every assistant coach, every ride, every recruiting.

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Speaker 1: Call, everything. I'll show you everything, everything we pay people.

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Speaker 1: And then you'll walk back.

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Speaker 2: You'll go back to Charlotte and you go, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of it.

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Speaker 2: That's not the idea of college athletics. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: What can we do is char ours strength coaches.

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Speaker 2: We have our own dedicated strength Can we fly charters

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Speaker 2: What type of food would we give them, how much

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Speaker 1: There's no correlation there. Go and look, the ratings are.

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Speaker 1: Too many games are on TV?

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Speaker 2: Nobody knows the players for either team And oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: because the leagues are so much bigger. The collective margaining

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Speaker 2: not want them to become employees. You don't. You also

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Speaker 1: That is to get Charlie Baker for what he was

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Speaker 2: In terms of getting some some legislation, anti trust legislation. Okay,

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Speaker 2: then you set the parameters. Hey, you bring in different

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Speaker 1: That has to be a reality to it.

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Speaker 2: That's the build the ability to replenish the assets on

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Speaker 2: I've spoken with several people about this. Now, the fouling

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Speaker 2: and what are we actually doing? And then it felt

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Speaker 2: You feel like somebody just took the game from your players,

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Speaker 1: I represent the entire state of Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: You can't do those things even if in reality they

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Speaker 2: This guy fucking screwed me. Get this fucking guy off

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Speaker 2: part of it was our kids, part of it was me,

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Speaker 1: Here's what's crazy about.

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Speaker 2: They don't call a little touch foul like that where

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Speaker 2: There, guys will grab our guys with two hands, throw

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Speaker 2: it's not the missed. It's not the fowls that are called.

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Speaker 2: He's pissed that if you're gonna call it touch fowl

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Speaker 1: So they followed the letter.

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Speaker 2: Of the rule after what was a blown call, and

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Speaker 2: in the NFL summer as well, where they put it

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Speaker 2: doesn't really work, and then they fix it and ultimately

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Speaker 2: they get to a place where it's really good. I

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Speaker 2: believe that that needs to change. But here's where the

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Speaker 2: official when we're at Campbell was great. It came over

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Speaker 2: to me the start of the second and a half

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Speaker 2: and he goes, ohe you inn a poet. I really

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Speaker 2: fucked up there, And I said, hey, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: That's all you can do appreciate it. That's man stuff said.

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Speaker 1: You're bad.

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Speaker 2: You and I are good. You just said that wasn't right.

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Speaker 2: That's not fair to our kids. That's all. That's all

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Speaker 2: I ever said. I did say it very loudly so

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Speaker 2: everybody could hear. But I don't think that violates any

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Speaker 2: sort of core tenants of being a coach. So the

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Speaker 2: big takeaways are big takeaways are ten million dollars is

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Speaker 2: not a real number. Sorry, Bruce. Collective arguing sounds good,

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Speaker 2: but let's let Charlie Baker get anti trust legislation. First understand,

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Speaker 2: there's different levels of college basketball, and it isn't sustainable.

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Speaker 2: Ask anybody. Don't ask people who haven't seen the books.

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Speaker 2: Check out the books and they'll tell you exactly what

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Speaker 2: it is. Oh last thing is lots of teams have

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Speaker 2: multi year contracts. The problem is that athletic departments are

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Speaker 2: hesitant to sue for buyout damages because they think it

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Speaker 2: makes them look bad. If you have a contract, you

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Speaker 2: should be able to sue for that guy. If you

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Speaker 2: have a buyout, you got to pay the buyout. Coaches

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Speaker 2: have to Why don't players, Hey, I thought you guys

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Speaker 2: all want wanted players and coaches. Coaches leave after one year,

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Speaker 2: they mostly don't. We're talking about one or two guys

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Speaker 2: a year.

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Speaker 1: But whatever.

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Speaker 2: You want to make coaches and players the same, fine,

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Speaker 2: here you go, Here you go, be boy. Here's a contract,

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Speaker 2: multi year contract, just like a coach.

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Speaker 1: You want to get out of it.

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Speaker 2: There's a buyout and oh yeah, by the way, players

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Speaker 2: can negotiate a buyout if the coach doesn't want back,

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Speaker 2: that's also part of the negotiations.

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Speaker 1: You can do that.

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Speaker 2: Nobody says this. And we need to change the replay rules,

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Speaker 2: and we need to understand that if an official blows

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Speaker 2: a call, there is a fix, and the fix can

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Speaker 2: be in the replay rule where they can go, oh,

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Speaker 2: I really screwed that one up. On the next all ball,

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Speaker 2: we are going to have a discussion about the ability

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Speaker 2: to advance the basketball on a timeout. My brother's a

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Speaker 2: coach at San Diego State. I watch our women with

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Speaker 2: a fabulous coach, Kayla Carrius, who's great. I watched them

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Speaker 2: beat Cleveland State. It's a completely different game with the advanced.

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Speaker 1: Rule, and I think we need to get to it.

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Speaker 2: But I've been a proponent of men's college basketball. No

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Speaker 2: quarters no advance for a long time, and I've evolved,

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Speaker 2: I've changed, and we'll get into it. In the meantime,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you continue to listen. Our team gets ready

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Speaker 2: to take on our tribal Milwaukee. Last year they punked

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Speaker 2: us twice. Let's see what our guys got on Monday night.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for listening. I'm Doug Gottlie