Speaker 1: Hey, Phil, Hey Ben, what's up? We got a new song?
Speaker 1: Remember that song from Kayla Ray that we said we
Speaker 1: were going to play. Yeah, I was. I was wondering
Speaker 1: because this episode just started without the theme song, and
Speaker 1: I was really confused. Yeah, I know you're confused. Behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, it's ready. Have you listened to it? Yes?
Speaker 1: I have, and it's beautiful. She's great. I made She's great,
Speaker 1: You're great. I'm not sure about me, but it is
Speaker 1: a beautiful song. We're gonna play it in its entirety
Speaker 1: for this episode, just so you guys get a flavor
Speaker 1: of it, and we'll we'll splice it up to make
Speaker 1: a little shorter for future episodes. But here it is.
Speaker 1: Do we have a name for the song? Phil, what's
Speaker 1: the name of the song? I don't know. Did Kayla
Speaker 1: not name it? Come on, man, well I'm Phil the
Speaker 1: anthem of Phil t Engineer. Here it is no here,
Speaker 1: it is here, it is your bow Where the Hunt
Speaker 1: clip show, Colin Hunters New and All Hunt clamp show,
Speaker 1: Working he can Shuttle or working Ben in hand we
Speaker 1: congregate nice lovers of the lame. I'm full and we're focused.
Speaker 1: We're just living for the search and dreaming of the
Speaker 1: fire and a salty Gilburn. But we ain't coming back
Speaker 1: till it's colden Lake, taking it slow so we can
Speaker 1: choose straight, clean your gun, Tune your Bowl, where the
Speaker 1: Hunt Collected show, Calling Hunters new and all ain't no
Speaker 1: cold time told, We're no one's too good, We're all good.
Speaker 1: No we got guilty engineer calling any cheers, blow hard
Speaker 1: times calling, and bitter vegans crying. Remember there's always been
Speaker 1: old Bright ruled by reason. Is our collective bay taking
Speaker 1: it slow so we can cheer straight, clean your gun
Speaker 1: in Tune your Bowl, where the Hunt Collective show and
Speaker 1: calling Hunter is new and all un collective show with
Speaker 1: thanks for fanks that opinions are subjective. You're listening to
Speaker 1: the collecting. Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of The
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. I'm, of course Benjamin, Patrick O'Brien and Philly
Speaker 1: engineers here. Phil say hello, Hey, Ben, how are you.
Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm feeling really excited about this episode,
Speaker 1: but I do need We've just listened to Kaylor Ray's
Speaker 1: uh the ode the anthem of Filthy Engineer for the
Speaker 1: very first time. I'm that that just like gets my
Speaker 1: blood up. I'm ready. It's almost like a goblin turkeys
Speaker 1: at like eight yards and we just gotta get him
Speaker 1: the rest of the way. That's what this show is
Speaker 1: gonna be for me. But um, I just gotta tell
Speaker 1: you this is this show is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: We're not going to have like a real uh, We're
Speaker 1: not gonna have a guest from Cornell University. Let me
Speaker 1: just say that our guest is probably smarter than than
Speaker 1: one James Tantillo. But we're not going to have the
Speaker 1: regular show format. We're going to talk about I feel
Speaker 1: the need, Phil to address the chapter formation of THHC.
Speaker 1: The chapters that have formed, and almost a ton of
Speaker 1: states will find out the exact numbers here in a minute,
Speaker 1: but I feel a need to address that topic and
Speaker 1: give everybody all the information they need, probably too much
Speaker 1: information to join these chapters if you would like, and
Speaker 1: then we can move forward from there. But I just
Speaker 1: felt like we need to have a whole episode really
Speaker 1: talking about what's happening over on Mark Zuckerbert's Facebook. Um, Phil,
Speaker 1: have you joined the Montana chapter yet? No? I am
Speaker 1: not on Facebook, son of a bitch. What in the hell, Phil,
Speaker 1: are you would you would you consider lighten up a
Speaker 1: Facebook page just for this purpose, Like fill the Engineer
Speaker 1: probably gonna need to have a fan page or maybe
Speaker 1: some sort of live video game streaming thing that you do.
Speaker 1: I I'm I'm willing to create kind of like a
Speaker 1: pseudo very light account for this for this purpose, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna there's that there will be no pictures of me.
Speaker 1: I won't even use my real name. I don't even
Speaker 1: think you can do that on Facebook. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: about Mango. What about Mango get to be in there.
Speaker 1: If you see Mango Mango T Engineer on Facebook, that's
Speaker 1: actually me, Mango T Engineer. That's a that's a T shirt.
Speaker 1: Maybe we have so many talented illustrators out there. If
Speaker 1: somebody wants to illustrate Mango T Engineer, I would happily
Speaker 1: make a T shirt out of that. But that's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do, Phil, So we need you to get involved.
Speaker 1: At this point. I've kept you at arms lengths from
Speaker 1: the chapters because I didn't want you to get too
Speaker 1: excited about what we were doing and um and try
Speaker 1: to take control, because I now that's how you like
Speaker 1: to do. But it's happening. It's happening. It's like an
Speaker 1: underground movement, but a lot of people are talking about it.
Speaker 1: So I'm i'm I want to keep it underground. But
Speaker 1: for the listeners of this podcast, we're gonna we're now
Speaker 1: joined by Now I'm not sure how to introduce this guy, Luke,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how to introduce you. You did tell
Speaker 1: me that you and your lovely wife Lisa are the
Speaker 1: first family of THHC. Do you want to expound upon
Speaker 1: that at all? Well, I'm just uh, I just don't
Speaker 1: think that any of the other guys that are running
Speaker 1: these state chapters probably even ran by who they were
Speaker 1: going to marry, you know, to you or Phil. I mean,
Speaker 1: how many of their wives do you know, I dedicated?
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call that dedication. I mean a point, they
Speaker 1: could have just married any any old lady and just
Speaker 1: with without even consulting you. And I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I don't think that that would be the proper thing
Speaker 1: for a follower of his cult to do. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if people came to be followers of
Speaker 1: the cult with current wives, we should have some sort
Speaker 1: of review process, uh to approve those wives. So you know,
Speaker 1: I know you did call out air call as as
Speaker 1: not having done that. So I do want to officially
Speaker 1: say you're well, you're well welcome if you'd like it
Speaker 1: to the first family Moniker now and you know, if
Speaker 1: you should have additional offspring in the future or offspring
Speaker 1: you know, your first offspring. We can then talk about
Speaker 1: how that works at that point, but you you're welcome
Speaker 1: to have that. So that let's make that official. Phil,
Speaker 1: Can you give your blessing please? Oh? Of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Phil. So Luke Reeves in Nebraska, you are
Speaker 1: the officially the Nebraska chapter leader UM and the first
Speaker 1: father of THHC, the first Yeah, that's fine, that's fine,
Speaker 1: let's go with that. So tell you like you're here too.
Speaker 1: I asked on our we've created a Facebook page just
Speaker 1: for the leadership of our chapter group and are called
Speaker 1: and I asked you to represent that leadership group that
Speaker 1: I think now is thirty people something like that, to
Speaker 1: to address the entire audience about what's going on, what's
Speaker 1: been progressing here, how the other people can get involved.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of questions that we have people. I'm
Speaker 1: sure we'll have, What is this? Why are you doing it?
Speaker 1: The question I've asked many times is it legal? Are
Speaker 1: we in any legal trouble? Um? Can we all get arrested?
Speaker 1: And is there cool it? All these things that we
Speaker 1: need to be asking. So I did send you like
Speaker 1: a list of questions, but first just describe, like why
Speaker 1: you want to do that, why you want to be
Speaker 1: a part of this thing that we're that we're embarking on,
Speaker 1: and what it means to you. Because there were a
Speaker 1: lot of people, more than I thought, posting on our
Speaker 1: little Facebook group about how much this meant to them,
Speaker 1: And I take that, you know, take that very seriously,
Speaker 1: take that to heart. As much as it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to be serious on this topic, I do take
Speaker 1: the heart that you know, people gathering and connecting over
Speaker 1: this particular topic is important. UM, So give the people
Speaker 1: kind of how you came to want to I want
Speaker 1: to do all this well. Um, I grew up in
Speaker 1: a small town in Nebraska. Um, just about everybody that
Speaker 1: I was friends with, UM grew up on ing. Uh
Speaker 1: you know, I went out with my dad and did
Speaker 1: that kind of that kind of thing. But as we
Speaker 1: grew up, UM, you know, around there it's all everybody
Speaker 1: goes out to you know, their uncle's pasture or their
Speaker 1: you know, their cousins got of cornfield where they accidentally missed,
Speaker 1: you know, the Auger wagon with the combines. So there's
Speaker 1: a nice grain pipe out there, and and essentially kind
Speaker 1: of it, uh kind of turned into basically wherever you
Speaker 1: could park your truck. You know, if you could park
Speaker 1: your truck closest to the grain pile, you'd be the
Speaker 1: guy that the guy that got the best deer. And
Speaker 1: uh so I just kind of got kind of got
Speaker 1: away from it as I got older, um got out
Speaker 1: of hunting and everything. Actually majored in Wildlife and Resources
Speaker 1: at the University Corny because I met a group of
Speaker 1: guys there when I went I did like hunting, and
Speaker 1: they kind of had the same sort of way I
Speaker 1: like to look at the same sort of way. You know,
Speaker 1: didn't it wasn't fun just to go out and shoot
Speaker 1: your you know, it wasn't fun just to go. It
Speaker 1: wasn't just about that. It was going and being in
Speaker 1: the nature is kind of getting back to the old
Speaker 1: ways of hunting, where you know, you went a lot
Speaker 1: of spotting stock. I don't even have very many friends
Speaker 1: and hunt more. So I really like that. But then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, uh I grew up watching them.
Speaker 1: I'd wake up on Saturday mornings and watch all the
Speaker 1: hunting shows and kind of the hunting media that was
Speaker 1: out there, and uh, you know, there's only so many
Speaker 1: episodes you can watch the guys, you know, Thanking the
Speaker 1: Good Lord, that the Big Why they walked up under
Speaker 1: their feet, and you know, they just can't keep doing
Speaker 1: those same episodes. But then, uh, you know, I actually
Speaker 1: saw you on Joe Rogan and telling the story about
Speaker 1: seeing that baby up in the mountains and the wolf
Speaker 1: that wasn't and uh so that actually drew me to you,
Speaker 1: um through Joe Rogan. So I started listening to the
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective as soon as you started posting enough episodes
Speaker 1: and stuff. I think I've had it on my phone.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of my longest recurring podcasts. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm obviously a member of like BHM, remember
Speaker 1: Rocky mount Help Foundation, from a Wild Turkey Association, all
Speaker 1: those things, and you know there's even some local ones,
Speaker 1: um like the Nebraska Big Game Conservation Association and things
Speaker 1: like that, and uh, I always kind of like those
Speaker 1: but they always kind of all think, uh to be
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, it's come by a raffle
Speaker 1: for a gun, eat a meal, and that's pretty much
Speaker 1: what it is. And what I saw was this was
Speaker 1: an opportunity for us to uh, you know, really have
Speaker 1: a bunch of like minded individuals get together and focus
Speaker 1: on what we really want to do, which is to
Speaker 1: recruit keep people hunting. I think, uh, if I would
Speaker 1: go as far as to guess what our goal would
Speaker 1: be for this group, it would be that, um, you know,
Speaker 1: in a couple of years, we can look and note
Speaker 1: the difference of the amount of hunters that are out
Speaker 1: there in every state, about the people that are actually
Speaker 1: starting hunting from new you know, to be a new hunter.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what I'm what I'm going for
Speaker 1: in it, and what brought me to it is the
Speaker 1: opportunity to just get people out hunting and get people
Speaker 1: back into it. Because that's what it did for me,
Speaker 1: is it got me back into it and showed me
Speaker 1: how great it can be. Look guys through a different
Speaker 1: lens and a more educated kind of, like you said,
Speaker 1: a more nuanced way of looking at hunting, And I
Speaker 1: would like to you know, bring that to as many
Speaker 1: people as we can. Yeah, yeah, I mean it. We
Speaker 1: were talking about this on that on our Leader admin
Speaker 1: page there about how it's kind of hard to see.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to see generational change in anything
Speaker 1: really until you're a few, maybe at least a few
Speaker 1: generations out from that change. Then you can start to
Speaker 1: see how things have shifted. But from from the work
Speaker 1: that I've done in the seat that I sit in,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that there is real shift coming
Speaker 1: from emerging hunters and people that are ran new and
Speaker 1: bringing their own heritage to it. That's way different than
Speaker 1: what I came up in or what even you came
Speaker 1: up because I also watched ESPN outdoor shows every Sunday
Speaker 1: morning when they came on, and I remember the day
Speaker 1: when those got canceled, and I remember thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: things are changing. I was just newly in the hunting
Speaker 1: industry in fact when they got canceled, and so I
Speaker 1: feel like things have changed for you know, for many years.
Speaker 1: But now and what we've seen with this show and
Speaker 1: with other other things that we do, Uh, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of you you out there listening that are brand new
Speaker 1: to this, and so every every step you take towards
Speaker 1: our community with your own perspective, you're gonna change the tide.
Speaker 1: You're gonna change the foundation on which we stand. So
Speaker 1: that's I think that's a big part of of why
Speaker 1: anybody would want to join something like this. So I
Speaker 1: appreciate I appreciate that, and we're we're saying that. Jim
Speaker 1: Fleischer on he wrote a message about that last night
Speaker 1: to us um about exactly that. So that's so if
Speaker 1: you want to be let's let's start by saying, if
Speaker 1: you want to be a leader, you you won't find me,
Speaker 1: particularly personally. Maybe you'll find Mango the engineer on some
Speaker 1: of these chapter pages. Feels you feel like when you
Speaker 1: create your page that you'll visit the chapter pages and
Speaker 1: grace them with your evervescent presence and soul. Yeah I know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I'll check in and see what's up, say hey, uh,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is just yeah, it's really it's really cool, Ben,
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know, no, if I'm going
Speaker 1: too far is to say it might be the coolest
Speaker 1: thing to come out of this podcast. I don't know, Man,
Speaker 1: you're pretty cool, Like, oh, yes, that's right. I did
Speaker 1: come out of this podcast. You're right, yeah, you were
Speaker 1: nothing before this. Um. But you know what, it's also
Speaker 1: cool you get to play video games with That is
Speaker 1: that came out of I take it back, me me
Speaker 1: me finding a Destiny two friend to play with. That
Speaker 1: was the coolest thing to come out of this podcast. Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: all right, man, Well let's try to start at a
Speaker 1: point that makes sense again to recap for everyone. We
Speaker 1: made a joke about possibly having a regional chapter when
Speaker 1: we had a gentleman in the Blue Ridge Mountains that
Speaker 1: needed help and we had so many people put their
Speaker 1: hand up to help him. I made the joke at
Speaker 1: all that could be our first regional chapter. And UM,
Speaker 1: fast if you allow me to fast forward to this moment,
Speaker 1: here we are. Um, that's that's how this began. Now
Speaker 1: where we are. You're here Luke to to represent all
Speaker 1: the leaders of our chapters. So we have a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about like where are we I lost track
Speaker 1: of where we were long ago. UM, and I'm hoping
Speaker 1: you've got some you've been keeping track how many actual
Speaker 1: Facebook pages are out there that are hunting collective chapters?
Speaker 1: We have we have thirty nine pages. Um, but Nevada
Speaker 1: as a chapter leader without a page yet. So that'll
Speaker 1: bring us to forty. Um, so then we only have
Speaker 1: ten states that weren't represented. Shout out to Patch from
Speaker 1: Alabama for throwing together our Google doc sheet that's got
Speaker 1: all of our information with track all that stuff. Can
Speaker 1: you believe that, Phil, we got a Google doc? Wow?
Speaker 1: Would you like to be a part of that Google doc?
Speaker 1: I mean you're welcome to You're invited. You don't have
Speaker 1: to be, it's just it's an open invite. If you
Speaker 1: would like to be added to the Google duck. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, throw me on, Throw me on that dock, baby,
Speaker 1: all right, remember getting somewhere? All right, Look, so we
Speaker 1: have forty pages now, um, do we have like a
Speaker 1: total membership number? Now? I would counsel. I have yet
Speaker 1: to counsel all the leaders that I do feel as
Speaker 1: though we should grow very slowly, like we should take
Speaker 1: this very We don't want this to be a thing
Speaker 1: just for anybody to come in that wants to as
Speaker 1: we've we've seen already like get dope on a good
Speaker 1: hunting spot or um or just you know, just come
Speaker 1: in to sell their wares or whatever it might be.
Speaker 1: So I would counsel everyone. Let's let's let's grow slowly. Um,
Speaker 1: but we gotta start somewhere. So where are we right
Speaker 1: now with those pages? Well, I actually posted that on
Speaker 1: our our admin Facebook group, and we had a guy
Speaker 1: that was already trying to schedule a local public lands
Speaker 1: clean up, and I said, I don't even think we
Speaker 1: know how we're supposed to get members yet, let alone, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, get people to go and clean public lands.
Speaker 1: So I think you should slow down. But as of
Speaker 1: right now, we're at eight hundred and sixty total members.
Speaker 1: California's leading that with two members, and that's a shout
Speaker 1: out to Jordan Rigsby and Nury Home. Um. After that,
Speaker 1: we got Wisconsin with eighty seven, Arizona's got eighty four,
Speaker 1: and then Washington and Colorado both have seventy six. Um,
Speaker 1: those are the that would be the five biggest chapters.
Speaker 1: Here in Nebraska, we've got three. Um. I've noticed a
Speaker 1: lot of guys in the bigger states with a lot
Speaker 1: of members are starting to double up or even some
Speaker 1: chapters were talking about getting three guys to be kind
Speaker 1: of the admin, uh, the kind of the mentors of
Speaker 1: the mentors. What I did in Nebraska is um. Everybody
Speaker 1: I added when I started the group was somebody who
Speaker 1: and I consider I would consider an expert in some
Speaker 1: aspect of the outdoors. Um I got. I got really lucky.
Speaker 1: Of one of my older old friends is a guy
Speaker 1: named Jordan Dameth and he actually works with He's worked
Speaker 1: with Cabela's and he works with Pheasants Forever and he's
Speaker 1: got his own I think they got their own clothing
Speaker 1: brand called out the Obsession. But he's a you know,
Speaker 1: he's worked with these big companies before, and he knows
Speaker 1: how to kind of draw members and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: especially coming in from Pheasants Forever. And uh, he's a
Speaker 1: huge fan of the podcast. And so when I reached
Speaker 1: out to him and talk to him about kind of
Speaker 1: helping me with his page, he just freaked out. And
Speaker 1: so it's pretty he's pretty excited, and I'm pretty excited
Speaker 1: about that because he's one of the best hunters I've
Speaker 1: probably probably ever met in my life just in the
Speaker 1: way he does it. He's got young kids and he
Speaker 1: finds a way to get them out there into the
Speaker 1: outdoors with them and they have success. And I think
Speaker 1: just a lot of people our age well who are
Speaker 1: wanting to get into emergent hunting will be able to
Speaker 1: learn a lot from him. And I know a lot
Speaker 1: of other guys and other chapters are starting out doing
Speaker 1: that too. Is they're trying to reach out to guys
Speaker 1: who know probably more than them. Almost everybody I reached
Speaker 1: out who knows more about hunting or fishing or anything
Speaker 1: than me. Um, nobody in Nebraska knows more about gardening
Speaker 1: and canning than me, though, So I can be the
Speaker 1: expert in that and help people with that stuff. That's right, man,
Speaker 1: that's that's yeah. Right. I'll just like stumble through how
Speaker 1: to articulate how cool that is. But it is very cool. Um.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of people across like a lot
Speaker 1: of people over time trying to even have people say like,
Speaker 1: here's the manifesto, here's the roadmap, here's what's possible. Right,
Speaker 1: And obviously, when you start something like this, you and
Speaker 1: you don't really know what the roadmap looks like. There
Speaker 1: are a number of questions, right, Uh, what are we
Speaker 1: trying to do? Like, what do we actually do? Are
Speaker 1: we just a bunch of people I want to hang
Speaker 1: out and go hunting? Have you thought about that at all?
Speaker 1: Have you talked to any other leaders of other chapters
Speaker 1: about this kind of stuff, because I have, Like I said, uh,
Speaker 1: there's lots of posts on our Facebook page of people
Speaker 1: want wanting to answer those things. Well, Um, what I
Speaker 1: always kind of went back to was that outdoor recreation
Speaker 1: adoption model, you know, the recruit, retain, recactivate, And I thought,
Speaker 1: if we were going to take and look at anything
Speaker 1: in you know, our group, it would be just focus
Speaker 1: on the recruit and then the reactivate. You know, our
Speaker 1: biggest focus would be on recruiting new people. And I
Speaker 1: think the best thing to do would be to for
Speaker 1: people in these states. You know, the more experts you recruit,
Speaker 1: you have those experts go out and find people or
Speaker 1: you know, they know people. Now with social media, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's got a thousand friends out there, and you'll be
Speaker 1: able to find, you know, people that are interested in
Speaker 1: some aspect of what we're doing in these groups. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a better way to grow organically than
Speaker 1: to just get on and add all your friends. And
Speaker 1: so I think that's what we're trying to do into
Speaker 1: recruit new members and then people who who are like me,
Speaker 1: who used to hunt when they were little kids. You know,
Speaker 1: they'll say, hey, there were these guys are starting this
Speaker 1: group and this is kind of what it's all about,
Speaker 1: and so they'll get back into it. Yeah, I like it.
Speaker 1: I mean I did send out to all the leaders
Speaker 1: a few rules we live by and some of our
Speaker 1: rules for hunting conservation. Again I was I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: three four white clause. Deep can put these together as
Speaker 1: a bullet points. So Phil, I'm gonna need your reaction
Speaker 1: to this as well, if you'd like to add anything.
Speaker 1: I really just want to engage you in this process
Speaker 1: this because right now I feel like you're on the
Speaker 1: outside looking in and I need you here. I need
Speaker 1: you to be my confidant. An then, I I appreciate
Speaker 1: you reaching out, but I, as I said on the podcast,
Speaker 1: probably too many times, I don't know if I'm the
Speaker 1: person fail doing that. I want this there there there,
Speaker 1: there's a time and place for the non hunter's perspective.
Speaker 1: Uh this further this, I'm gonna step aside. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: step aside. I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: to be quiet right now, and then I'm gonna bring
Speaker 1: you back in later and you're gonna have a different attitude. O, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: all right, come back later when you're ready to play ball.
Speaker 1: Luke's ready, he's ready. He's like calling his friends up. Man.
Speaker 1: I love that. You need to be doing the same.
Speaker 1: You need to just say you need to. I'll get
Speaker 1: you a shirt. You need to be if you could
Speaker 1: take mango to the veterinaria. You need to be recruiting
Speaker 1: people in all areas of your life. Uh, and it
Speaker 1: needs you to be fired up. But anyway, here are
Speaker 1: the rules we live by, at least I live by
Speaker 1: and if other people would like to live by them,
Speaker 1: that's fine. Uh. The number one and again, I was
Speaker 1: half lit when I wrote these. Always actively challenge your
Speaker 1: own beliefs and the beliefs of your community. Remain open
Speaker 1: to nuance and skeptical of pandering bullshit. Seek out your
Speaker 1: own biases and understand their impacts on your worldview. And uh, finally,
Speaker 1: never take yourself too seriously because those first three can
Speaker 1: be real problematic if you yourself are an asshole. So
Speaker 1: don't do that. Uh. Here are the rules. When I
Speaker 1: think of hunting a conservation, this is how I personally
Speaker 1: think of it. When it comes to wildlife conservation. We
Speaker 1: use the North American model as our guide, as in
Speaker 1: the Guardrails, not the not the Bible, but the Guardrails
Speaker 1: certainly is imperfect model, so we can kick it in
Speaker 1: its teeth when we need to. Uh. Second to that,
Speaker 1: as a hunter's goal should be to maintain the health
Speaker 1: of the ecosystem in which he or she hunts. Pretty simple.
Speaker 1: We must prioritize fair kill over fair chase, never shy
Speaker 1: away from discussing the ethics and morality of our actions.
Speaker 1: Number four, hunting should always be viewed as the sustainable
Speaker 1: use of a natural resource. And number five, the hunting
Speaker 1: community should strive to inclusive by promoting a diversity of
Speaker 1: ideas and backgrounds. Uh. Yeah, So those rules govern the
Speaker 1: way I've come to think of it. Those rules are
Speaker 1: subject to change daily, hourly. Should Phil send me a
Speaker 1: cool link of something to read, I'm going to change
Speaker 1: them at any time. But that's that's how I approach
Speaker 1: them at this point. And um, I think it's it's
Speaker 1: as we start these chapters and we start down this road,
Speaker 1: it's important to understand kind of the origin story of
Speaker 1: why we are doing this. So what other what other
Speaker 1: things we need to do? Do on here, Luke, what
Speaker 1: do we need to tell people? We need to tell
Speaker 1: people how to find these pages, that's for sure, and
Speaker 1: how they can get up and who the leaders are.
Speaker 1: You want to just run us down the list of
Speaker 1: let's call out our chapter leaders if we can, do
Speaker 1: you have that and then also kind of how they
Speaker 1: can search and find their state chapter page. Give me
Speaker 1: us a second here, Phil, you fill in this moment,
Speaker 1: fill with some commentary. All right, So quiet quiet Phil,
Speaker 1: Let Luke talk. Stop interrupting him. So we got these
Speaker 1: now in alphabetical order. Alabama, you're gonna go with Patrick Ray,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be You're gonna all of these are
Speaker 1: gonna be called the Hunt Collective and then your state's chapter.
Speaker 1: Outside of UM. You know we have the Blue Ridge,
Speaker 1: we have the Coastal Plains North Carolina, UM, mid Atlantic,
Speaker 1: we have a military chapter, UM, the Mountain West, New England.
Speaker 1: Those are all gonna be grouped together, and those are
Speaker 1: all gonna have specific leaders as of right now. UM,
Speaker 1: Like as of right now, we don't have any leaders
Speaker 1: for either of the Dakotas. So what we've been talking
Speaker 1: about is me taking over to the South Dakota one
Speaker 1: until we can find somebody get up there. We're also
Speaker 1: thinking about putting North Dakota in with Minnesota. But I'll
Speaker 1: read you guys the the states and their leaders. Now
Speaker 1: we have Alabama, we have Patrick Ray Alaska. We have
Speaker 1: A B. Rich Arizona. We have Mark Dill Arkansas. We
Speaker 1: have Jacob Davis Blue Ridge. That's North Carolina. We have
Speaker 1: Eric Hall, the man, the myth, the legend himself. That
Speaker 1: would probably be your inaugural chapter. That would be the
Speaker 1: Phil Taylor Memorial chapter. Um, yeah, hold on, hold on, memorial.
Speaker 1: I don't know what do you call it when they're
Speaker 1: still alive? All I know is memorial. I don't know.
Speaker 1: How do you how do you want someone that's awesome
Speaker 1: and still alive? But I don't know. I like memorial.
Speaker 1: That's it's looking into the future. It's just planning for
Speaker 1: the future. Hey, I'll tell you what, When you name
Speaker 1: your first turkey, then that inaugural chapter will be named
Speaker 1: after your first turkey and it can be the Blank
Speaker 1: Turkey Memorial chapter. Luke for the ideas, Hey, Luke, have
Speaker 1: any engineering skills podcast? Absolutely none. I like what you're
Speaker 1: bringing to the table here. Okay, continue, please continue, but
Speaker 1: then you know, California right now is our heaviest hitter. UM.
Speaker 1: It's got literally a quarter of our total membership is
Speaker 1: just out of that state. UM. And they've got Jordan
Speaker 1: Rigsby and Nuri Hong. Nuri Hong is also a member
Speaker 1: of the Nebraska chapter. He's got a Facebook page called
Speaker 1: Emergent Hunter Phil Yea And so I want to read something.
Speaker 1: Thank you for that, because I want to read something
Speaker 1: that he wrote here when you're done. But I was
Speaker 1: one I was going to ask you who that exactly was. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He because I blocked him like three times and I
Speaker 1: was like, no, license, stay out of my page? Isis
Speaker 1: this is so fake that doesn't even make sense? But
Speaker 1: it wasn't. He does. Okay, it's good. It's good to
Speaker 1: know that's who that is, because I because he has
Speaker 1: been posting it a couple of times that I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't know. Yeah, And if we have we actually
Speaker 1: so we do have chapters down here in the United States.
Speaker 1: We also are a multi nage group. It would be
Speaker 1: multinational group because we do have two Canadian chapters. Uh.
Speaker 1: They're led by Dave Campbell and Dan Koehler. Uh. Then
Speaker 1: we have a Coastal Plains of North Carolina chapter, which
Speaker 1: is read Darrel. We have Colorado that's Ryan. I'm a
Speaker 1: butcher's last name, Supena. I'm just saying, like I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just that's how just how I say it. I
Speaker 1: don't know, that's just how I say. Florida has got
Speaker 1: a guy named Mark Ernest Phil He did actually just
Speaker 1: start Facebook for this group. He is one of the
Speaker 1: few people that I actually didn't I didn't let him
Speaker 1: in the admin group because I was like, oh, created
Speaker 1: nineteen minutes ago with zero friends, you're definitely not a bot.
Speaker 1: So I blocked him. So people are doing that field.
Speaker 1: It's all a cool thing. It's worth it to let
Speaker 1: the government track you to be a part of this group. Uh.
Speaker 1: Georgia's leader is Mike Morris, and then we go all
Speaker 1: the way down to Iowa and that is Jim Slicener.
Speaker 1: We got Kansas as Kelsey guy. We've got Michigan that's
Speaker 1: Keith Sprague. Our military chapter is Eric Jobber. We've got
Speaker 1: Minnesota that's UM Derek Storical. Missouri is Greg Moon and
Speaker 1: Ben Peterson UM Nebraska, which, uh, it'll be it's just
Speaker 1: me as of right now, but I will probably ask
Speaker 1: a guy named Jordan to help me with that, especially
Speaker 1: if we take over South Dakota, which probably way Shamon
Speaker 1: Spencer near Hearth I don't know still still ran away,
Speaker 1: but I was gonna say if he did end up
Speaker 1: giving one of those cuzies from our wedding, take it
Speaker 1: back because he doesn't have a group, so he can't.
Speaker 1: I was very surprised, And let me just say that
Speaker 1: I may have missed the email from someone in South Dakota.
Speaker 1: Like I had a lot of emails, so there may
Speaker 1: be somebody that if you're listening to this and you're
Speaker 1: mad at us, like just just right back in and
Speaker 1: tell me, hey, I had my hand up and you
Speaker 1: missed me. Um. But I haven't seen anything from either
Speaker 1: of the Dakotas, which I love hunting in your eights,
Speaker 1: especially the southern one. And uh, I was very disappointed
Speaker 1: in all of you in the Dakota sam Soholt is
Speaker 1: over there. I just I don't understand. I understand. I
Speaker 1: have a friend that played was actually Carson Wentz is
Speaker 1: backup in North Dakota State, and uh, he hunts and stuff,
Speaker 1: and he I said him all the information about it,
Speaker 1: and he hadn't done anything, so well, maybe we'll get
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz. We get Carson Wentz eventually his TV show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: man can dream man. I think he wears Sitka through
Speaker 1: to that. I can't do that. Hey. Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at my emails now we have an Australian
Speaker 1: somebody with her hand up in Australia. Luke, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: connect you with Zach. He's awesome Arrow On Instagram he
Speaker 1: said a good day Ben. I'm not gonna read it
Speaker 1: in a but he said good day Ben, so I
Speaker 1: just have to say it that way. He emailing about
Speaker 1: we're coming to the the chapter leader of Australia. Mate. I've
Speaker 1: been listening since episode three or four, and think discussions
Speaker 1: you have the people you have on are very beneficial.
Speaker 1: I don't always agree with him, but I love what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I'd like to be part of it. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say to his email, Luke, all right, we
Speaker 1: will throw that shrimp on the barbie. And then we've
Speaker 1: got uh Nevada. Their leader is Jared Adams uh then
Speaker 1: New England is Dwayne Tribner and ab Rich. I imagine
Speaker 1: that they will probably end up getting some guys to
Speaker 1: help them as that's four states they've got in there.
Speaker 1: New Mexico is Michael Nass and Sean Manucci. It's a
Speaker 1: good one. New York is Martin Resnick, Ohio is Brian Howell,
Speaker 1: Oklahoma is Aaron Shaw, Pennsylvania is Mike Barrick, South Carolina
Speaker 1: is Ryan Waters. Tennessee it's cal and Harrold. Utah is
Speaker 1: b J. Trickler, Washington is Chris Stalker, and Wisconsin are
Speaker 1: Mike Peterson and John still Flew. And that would be
Speaker 1: all of your chapters that are up and running right
Speaker 1: now as of today on Facebook. So yep. And I
Speaker 1: don't like Phil, we could I mean, we chose Facebook
Speaker 1: just because it's the easiest thing. But Phil, I mean
Speaker 1: we could do something different for you. We're willing to
Speaker 1: change this up. Like it's all about I. I will
Speaker 1: make a a th HC chapter burner account. I'm fine.
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine with that. Okay, good Man, go the engineer.
Speaker 1: I like it all right. Well, that's that's awesome, man.
Speaker 1: I mean for that to come together that quickly, it
Speaker 1: is amazing to me. And I was telling Eric Hall
Speaker 1: doing some message back and forth him that he said well,
Speaker 1: you didn't know you were so popular. It was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case, but I feel
Speaker 1: I feel like this is a good representation of where
Speaker 1: a lot of people are at in our space and
Speaker 1: when we try to and we try to define like
Speaker 1: our own lane within hunting, this is a good way
Speaker 1: to to define the fact that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are either looking to bring in new folks or are
Speaker 1: new folks themselves that would have that are in need
Speaker 1: of a mentor um and so I know we're talking
Speaker 1: about how you get that generational perspective of where you
Speaker 1: sit in and what you bring to the party. Um.
Speaker 1: I think this particularly is something that shows exactly what
Speaker 1: a lot of people need and what they want and
Speaker 1: where their heads are at. I'm gonna find this post
Speaker 1: by Nary Hong. Um I would like, I said, I
Speaker 1: was confused that it was a mergent Hunter for a while,
Speaker 1: and like, I wonder who that is. But I think
Speaker 1: Neary made a good post about a manifesto or a
Speaker 1: roadmap for what's possible. He said. Um, if I if
Speaker 1: I may be so bold, I'd like to posit a
Speaker 1: scaffold for an ambitious vision. This is coming from the
Speaker 1: perspective of a non hunter aspiring to be a future mentor.
Speaker 1: I believe my journey and my evolution in beliefs and
Speaker 1: perspectives represent a data point of and equals one for
Speaker 1: the feasibility of this plan. I like his approach. I
Speaker 1: I am assuming this data point will be explained in time.
Speaker 1: He said. One. Establish ourselves become the regional platform for
Speaker 1: new hunters. Ben the leader, has outlined the core principle
Speaker 1: we will live by. The group has already begun to
Speaker 1: do amazing things in less than seventy two hours. Our
Speaker 1: mentorship is exponential at this point and we need to
Speaker 1: keep going. Thanks to Patrick Ray for creating an amazing tracker.
Speaker 1: We've We've mentioned that uh number two build the army
Speaker 1: mentor and educate emergent hunters on all aspects of hunting, conservation,
Speaker 1: land policy, environmental policy, wildlife management, ethics, etcetera. Within our network,
Speaker 1: we will be the leading hunting mentors and conservations each
Speaker 1: regional Slush State chapter. We will actively recruit these people
Speaker 1: to join. At some point our mentor our membership will
Speaker 1: become compelling for others to use as a platform for education. Three.
Speaker 1: Deploy the Army. Let's be honest. Emerging hunters are often
Speaker 1: stereotyped as democratic hunters. This is true for a state
Speaker 1: like California, where I live. I was called this once
Speaker 1: by a very generous local mentor. He loves folks like us,
Speaker 1: quote unquote, and has taken many on hunts, even ones
Speaker 1: who who wore man buns in their hair. His words,
Speaker 1: not mine. I do not rock a man bun. That's
Speaker 1: good to know. Although this is a judgment free zone
Speaker 1: all the way around, man mun's are welcome, right Phil,
Speaker 1: I would say they're encouraged from here on out. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm adding. I'm adding to the list bullet point seven,
Speaker 1: man bun required. No, Luke, that's don't let him. I
Speaker 1: can go video games, but I can come man buns.
Speaker 1: So Nuri. Nuri continues the point of all of this,
Speaker 1: Our army is a bridge to people who do not hunt,
Speaker 1: We do not understand, who do not understand hunting ethics,
Speaker 1: who do not understand how conservation works, who do not
Speaker 1: understand land policy, and do not do not understand everything else, etcetera. Essentially,
Speaker 1: this was me before I started this journey. What I've
Speaker 1: learned has changed my worldview. We can use this army
Speaker 1: as a voice for educating others and crossing the political bridge.
Speaker 1: We can unite what is divided in the name of
Speaker 1: conservation and wildlife management policy. We don't have to convert
Speaker 1: everyone to become hunters, we don't want that. But we
Speaker 1: can get them to like us and to become allies
Speaker 1: on common causes. We can use our army to achieve this.
Speaker 1: Create the th h see emergent hunting training ranches for
Speaker 1: wilder conservation, think back forty for new hunters. Establish a
Speaker 1: new nonpartisan political movement, the Land of Nature Party. Elect
Speaker 1: the presidential ticket of Ronnello Slash a lot being eagle
Speaker 1: in select bend the leader for Secretary of Interior? Who
Speaker 1: is in? Uh? Phil? Are you in for all of that?
Speaker 1: There's six six really important points there? But yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: I mean I think that there might be there might
Speaker 1: be some competition for Secretary of the Interior. Um who
Speaker 1: was second? Is that cow? It was it? I was
Speaker 1: thinking Caw for Interior. That doesn't mean yeah, I'll be
Speaker 1: maybe Uh, I don't know what I'll be. I'll just
Speaker 1: be in there somewhere, hanging out. I'd like to be
Speaker 1: maybe a lobbyist. You'll you'll you'll be transportation like Pete
Speaker 1: Bododa Buddha. They just throwing him a bone. Here you go,
Speaker 1: you get transportation, Secretary of Education. Well a lot of that,
Speaker 1: even though number six I probably am not into the
Speaker 1: other the other things, maybe not even number five. I
Speaker 1: don't think we need to start a land nature party,
Speaker 1: although that'd be fun. Um, particularly what nerd he's saying
Speaker 1: around deploying this activity is important to me and to
Speaker 1: get it out there and have people understand that there's
Speaker 1: a common cause here, regardless of however you label yourself
Speaker 1: or are labeled by others. Uh So, I like that.
Speaker 1: There's a bunch of other really important messages from people
Speaker 1: who are just talking about how this is has made
Speaker 1: them feel. Um, I want to read John Stealth, You
Speaker 1: Stealth Lou. I'm sorry everyone, I'll always get your name wrong.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. It's kind of a right
Speaker 1: of passage here for me to funk up your name.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, everyone, I just want to take a
Speaker 1: minute and talk about what has happened in the last
Speaker 1: few days. I've been doing this hunting and fishing thing
Speaker 1: for about forty years. This quote unquote thing has re
Speaker 1: energized me. I was telling Mike Peterson, the other Wisconsin
Speaker 1: chapter leader, that I'm as excited for this as I
Speaker 1: was when I booked my first paying guide date for
Speaker 1: muskie fishing years ago. As the last few days have
Speaker 1: went on, I feel like every one of us could
Speaker 1: show up at an outing and shake hands and talk
Speaker 1: like we've been friends for years. I think we're all
Speaker 1: coming at this hunting and fishing thing from just about
Speaker 1: the same place. Thanks for doing this. I'm I'm likely
Speaker 1: the old man river in this group, but hey, someone
Speaker 1: has to be. I really believe we can make a difference,
Speaker 1: even if it is just picking up some trash in
Speaker 1: a parking lot. This is going to be a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot of fun. Uh yeah, man, I I
Speaker 1: just want to make sure that like, those words are
Speaker 1: probably more important than any words that I could say. Um,
Speaker 1: and I said this on the page there, that I
Speaker 1: that that gives me a little bit of a little
Speaker 1: bit of hope for the future and some satisfaction in
Speaker 1: the work. So I hope that does for everybody else. Now,
Speaker 1: anything else that I'm missing, Luke, Before we get to
Speaker 1: our little uh the way, We're gonna round this all
Speaker 1: out and give people a chance to do something cool. Um,
Speaker 1: No you miss anything here. I think we got it
Speaker 1: pretty much all squared away. One thing UM I had
Speaker 1: talked about doing with Jordan here in Nebraska that I
Speaker 1: was going to try to get your blessing for or
Speaker 1: see what you thought about it is UM, a lot
Speaker 1: of guys just on the group have been talking about
Speaker 1: how to get membership and things like that. And Uh,
Speaker 1: I happen to be lucky enough that just through the
Speaker 1: kind of connections I made in college and stuff, I've
Speaker 1: got friends that work in the Rocky Mountain Help Foundation
Speaker 1: and then at work and fettans for everything's like that.
Speaker 1: And so what Jordan and I were thinking about doing
Speaker 1: is either for having like a podcast or a blog
Speaker 1: that would just be talking to these groups about how
Speaker 1: to how they recruit, you know, how how do you
Speaker 1: go about having an auction, how do you go about
Speaker 1: having a fundraiser, How do you work on your membership?
Speaker 1: When do you start you know, when do you start
Speaker 1: looking for When do you start you know trying to
Speaker 1: you know, actually like a have projects that you're gonna
Speaker 1: do that will be in your name? Do you need
Speaker 1: to be an LLC? All those kinds of things that
Speaker 1: that you don't really think about when you just want
Speaker 1: to get a bunch of people together who like to
Speaker 1: hunt and to get people to start hunting. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, Um, it would be one of those things.
Speaker 1: We'd probably just make it available to the guys that
Speaker 1: are on our our Facebook pages and on on our thing,
Speaker 1: and we would just talk to them and like that
Speaker 1: would just kind of be a thing we would do
Speaker 1: to try to make it easier because I don't know
Speaker 1: have any mostly for me, because I don't have any
Speaker 1: idea how to recruit. I don't know how to do
Speaker 1: anything like that it knew people to come on. I
Speaker 1: think that's the problem is, Yeah, a lot of us
Speaker 1: are really good at kind of understanding what this is about,
Speaker 1: but not a lot of us really know how to
Speaker 1: go about making it happen. And so that's kind of
Speaker 1: something that I would like to learn how to do
Speaker 1: because I think this could be huge. I think this
Speaker 1: could be our version of the Rocky mountainel foundation of
Speaker 1: that we could be. We could be that big just
Speaker 1: with the momentum that we have kind of with everything
Speaker 1: that you guys going, I think we could draw in
Speaker 1: members the right kind of members and do just huge things.
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the way that we affect the
Speaker 1: ballot box. Now, just why you guys bringing up and
Speaker 1: stuff you know on your podcast And just imagine now
Speaker 1: if you've got a whole group to go besides go
Speaker 1: with that podcast to help get these you know, the
Speaker 1: bad bill around up, get all of those thrown out.
Speaker 1: And I just think that, you know, this guy could
Speaker 1: really be the limit with this and I'm just so
Speaker 1: excited to be a part of it. I'm just just
Speaker 1: super phil Phil. Uh, do we need to get We
Speaker 1: should probably get a lawyer on legal representation? Yeah, Luke. Uh,
Speaker 1: the ambition is incredibly inspiring. That's I mean, I I
Speaker 1: at first I was gonna like say something sarcastic here
Speaker 1: about a lawyer and how you know, meat Eater should
Speaker 1: probably probably have a meeting with with Steve or somebody.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, man, That's just that's just a
Speaker 1: great thing to to to strive for. And I don't
Speaker 1: I don't have anything. I don't have anything snarky to say.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't listen this. Uh, when you start
Speaker 1: down a path like this, you just gotta keep going forward.
Speaker 1: That's that's the best you can do. That's about all
Speaker 1: you can do. UM. So we'll keep doing that. But yes,
Speaker 1: we're absolutely want to feed I. I sit on the
Speaker 1: board of directors for b h A and we've seen
Speaker 1: this exact thing happen in that group. Like you get,
Speaker 1: people are passionate about this thing, they're passionate about gathering
Speaker 1: UM and you just have to let that passion lead
Speaker 1: the way. And you know, every once in a while
Speaker 1: you'll trip and fall down, but as long as you
Speaker 1: have that passion, you can get back up. So one
Speaker 1: thing that we're going to try to do for everybody
Speaker 1: is we're gonna have a little we're gonna call it
Speaker 1: a Field Days program because obviously this all started because
Speaker 1: somebody needed a mentor and everybody listening to this podcast
Speaker 1: wanted to step up or or a large number of
Speaker 1: people wanted to step up. So that was yeah, kind
Speaker 1: of the beginning here. So hat tip to that beginning,
Speaker 1: we started we want to start a Field Days program. Now,
Speaker 1: this is each of the chapter leaders will be running
Speaker 1: this themselves and they'll be compiling things. So if you're
Speaker 1: not in these Facebook pages and part of the conversation,
Speaker 1: you're gonna miss out. But we do this at Meat Eater,
Speaker 1: and we did this with First Light um internally, but
Speaker 1: it's something I think we can we can make work
Speaker 1: for this whole thing. And basically, um, we're going to
Speaker 1: do something called I guess i'll call it Field Days.
Speaker 1: What we could be? Tell me it's right into t
Speaker 1: a c to meet here and tell me that could
Speaker 1: be something cooler for a name. Maybe Phil has a name.
Speaker 1: The Inaugural Filthy Engineer Mentor Contest Memorial Tournament. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll turn that into a an AFRONAM. It'll be fine. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll workshop it. We'll workshop it anyhow. What this is
Speaker 1: gonna do is incentiveive people go out there at the
Speaker 1: very at the very least, go out there and teach
Speaker 1: people what they need to know about hunting. Bring bring
Speaker 1: new people in and then teach them. That's that's basically
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do as a foundational effort here. So, UM,
Speaker 1: here's what's gonna work. If you go out if you're
Speaker 1: are a member or are you're part of a Facebook
Speaker 1: page for one of the forty plus the chapters we've
Speaker 1: got going out there, uh, and you join and you
Speaker 1: take someone hunting someone brand new. They don't have to
Speaker 1: be brand new, they have to be in need of membership.
Speaker 1: But brand new would probably be what we're shooting for.
Speaker 1: But somebody is in need of mentorship, and you're out
Speaker 1: there and you're willing to do the mentoring, join one
Speaker 1: of these chapter pages. Take that person or person's hunting,
Speaker 1: Take a picture of yourself, send it in to that
Speaker 1: Facebook page that's associated with the state or regional chapter.
Speaker 1: Once you've done that, describe the hunt, what was the
Speaker 1: hunt about, Where did you go? How long? If you
Speaker 1: do an all day hunt, you accumulate what's called two
Speaker 1: raffle tickets. If you do a half day hunt or
Speaker 1: a part of a day hunt, you get one. Over time,
Speaker 1: each chapter will amass a number of let's say raffle
Speaker 1: tickets or days in the field, and each chapter will
Speaker 1: then be able to come to us at the end
Speaker 1: of the year and say we've counted this many days
Speaker 1: mentoring in the field, and we will have five awesome prizes,
Speaker 1: including all types of things we're currently working out. Some
Speaker 1: chapter leaders had a bunch of good ideas for prizes,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the year, we'll draw these
Speaker 1: prizes based on the number of field days total for
Speaker 1: each chapter will be the number of raffle tickets you
Speaker 1: get in the hat. So then we will draw raffle
Speaker 1: tickets out of the hat, and if the chapter is drawn,
Speaker 1: the top mentor of that chapter will get that prize.
Speaker 1: So hopefully that's that's a little bit convoluted field. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense to you? I know this is the
Speaker 1: first that you're hearing it, so as always, you're my
Speaker 1: proxy for everyone else listening. No, that's a great idea. Okay,
Speaker 1: Now we have a reason for being right. We have
Speaker 1: the general reason that that these chapters are built to
Speaker 1: mentor people, built to bring in new hunters along the way.
Speaker 1: As Luke mentioned, we're we're gonna go probably down a
Speaker 1: million rabbit holes and have all kinds of things to
Speaker 1: figure out. But but that's the basis. So if you
Speaker 1: joined one of these Facebook pages, it doesn't take much.
Speaker 1: If you have to make a Facebook page, just do it.
Speaker 1: It's fine. Turn off the tracking and the data, don't
Speaker 1: watch what's that, don't watch the social media dilemma or
Speaker 1: whatever that. Don't watch that because you won't want to
Speaker 1: join um. But get in there and join, and then
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is track your hunting with a
Speaker 1: new hunter and you'll be entered to win some cool
Speaker 1: stuff and um, you'll be entered into an awesome program
Speaker 1: that kind of knows where it's going, but you'll be
Speaker 1: a part of the beginning of it. Any commentary, Phil
Speaker 1: official comments, Uh, as an employee of Meeting Incorporated, No,
Speaker 1: this was I still can't believe this is happening for
Speaker 1: something that started as a joke about a cult. Um.
Speaker 1: I got so many messages from people back then saying,
Speaker 1: please tell Ben to stop with the cult bullshit. Um,
Speaker 1: but I think it's flowered into something real and uh
Speaker 1: and you know, just below cult status. So I think
Speaker 1: we're in. I think we're clear. I think we're in.
Speaker 1: We're still green. Everything's fine. Um, but it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's really it's I mean, honestly, it's wild to see
Speaker 1: this happen. Sometimes I forget the reach of your show,
Speaker 1: Ben and everything that everything that you've talked about on
Speaker 1: this podcast throughout the last couple of years. So it's
Speaker 1: it's cool, It's it's awesome, Okay, Luke anything. Well, Actually,
Speaker 1: we had some guys get locked out of their pages
Speaker 1: and stuff for using the cult language, I know came
Speaker 1: back to bite as finally, So uh, to go back
Speaker 1: to what you were we were talking about at the beginning,
Speaker 1: um with you know, the First Family and everything. You've
Speaker 1: had one guy on the page who said that we
Speaker 1: should change the name, and then you had another guy
Speaker 1: on the page who posted a gift of William Wallace
Speaker 1: yelling hold and said never give in to Facebook. And uh,
Speaker 1: I would think that the guy who posted a gift
Speaker 1: of William Wallace would be your the guy you'd want
Speaker 1: to follow, you know, the leader probably of those fans,
Speaker 1: not the guy who's just changing the name. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: picking up who that guy might have been. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, listen, I
Speaker 1: I you know, I'm not gonna let Zuckerberg hold us
Speaker 1: down if we want to be A cult is just
Speaker 1: a word. It doesn't have to be. It's a bad connotation,
Speaker 1: you know, just like air fifteen or trophy hunting. It's
Speaker 1: just a word. Was a group of crows is called
Speaker 1: a murder, No one gets at them for that be Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be you know, THHD murder. Yeah, like we're
Speaker 1: not doing that, So you can be grateful for that's
Speaker 1: all right, Well listen if you're here for some kind
Speaker 1: of like you know, in depth conversation about a very
Speaker 1: important issue. I'm sorry we took a break from that,
Speaker 1: but we felt like this needed to be addressed, This
Speaker 1: needed to be explained away, and we need to kind
Speaker 1: of set a path forward. So what we're gonna do
Speaker 1: from now on in the show is give weekly updates.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring somebody on that's a leader, can ask
Speaker 1: him what the hell is going on, what they're doing,
Speaker 1: why they're doing it, um, and where to continue our
Speaker 1: little field days competition throughout the year. And we'll continue
Speaker 1: checking in and seeing where this goes. Uh. Eventually we
Speaker 1: may have to have a lawyer on to give an
Speaker 1: official statement on behalf of Phil and I. We may
Speaker 1: I may and be in j I may be jailed
Speaker 1: and you guys may have to bail me out. You
Speaker 1: might have to raise money via some sort of Venmo
Speaker 1: account or something. I don't know. Uh, these are this
Speaker 1: is just me. I'm just talking out loud. Phil, just
Speaker 1: talking out loud. Okay, we got anything here? Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I gotta say this. You say you're just talking
Speaker 1: this out that that was a lot of detail. It's
Speaker 1: almost like you've kind of this is premeditated, like like
Speaker 1: you've you've you've you've run this through your head and
Speaker 1: you've got some sort of master plan. Unnever you speak
Speaker 1: on that, please no comment. But every call has a martyr,
Speaker 1: and Uh, if I gotta go down, I'll go down
Speaker 1: the swinging alright, Phil, it sounds great. I'll miss you. Alright, Well,
Speaker 1: say bye to everybody and listen to for the second
Speaker 1: time in this uh brief episode, Kayla Ray singing the
Speaker 1: Phil t Engineer memorial theme song. I swear to gay,
Speaker 1: but I swear to God benefit if if someone plays
Speaker 1: us at my funeral, I'm gonna be curious. Say bye, Phidbye, Clean,
Speaker 1: You're gone, and tune your bowl Where the hun clecked
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