1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Deal. I'm Jason Kelly alongside Alex Rodriguez. 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Coming up on the show Michelle Wee West, legendary golfer. 4 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: She is a fierce business person as well. We're going 5 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: to talk about some of the deals that she's been 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: doing of late. But first of all, Partner, congratulations, this 7 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 2: is it. You did it. I mean, this is the 8 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 2: first time we're talking on our show about the fact 9 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: that you and Mark Lori closed your deal to buy 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Minnesota Lynx. How are you feeling, 11 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 2: I mean, what a journey. 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 3: Well, thank you, partner, and look, I'm very very happy 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: and even more relieved. It's been a long time coming, 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 3: so grateful for this opportunity. When the decision came, it 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: was like waiting for this for like months and months 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 3: and months. It was probably the most nervous I've ever 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: been and couldn't be happier and really excited for are 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: both of our teams and the fan base here has 19 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: been really supportive and we're excited to dig in. 20 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking to you. You're in Minneapolis this week. 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: Big game for the Links which will be decided by 22 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: the time folks listening to this the Commissioner's Cup. I mean, 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: talk about the Links for a second. You're the governor 24 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 2: of that team. Now, this is a juggernaut team in 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: the history of the w They won the most titles 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 2: the FISA. Collier obviously is one of the standout players 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: in the entire league. What a moment, not just for 28 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: that team their success this season, but historically. You've got 29 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: a franchise that truly is one of the signature clubs 30 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: in the W. 31 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 4: Yeah. 32 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: And when I think about that, Jason, I think about 33 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: our great leader. You know, Cheryl Reeves has been here 34 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 3: for over fifteen years. She has four titles, she coached 35 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 3: in the Olympics. We have this incredible, incredible sticky fan 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: base that just loves their team, and Links fans are different. 37 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 3: They're used to winning. They're a bit almost spoiled, right 38 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 3: with four titles. They almost won another one last year. 39 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 3: And you have an officia Collier who could be the 40 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 3: MVP this year. And it's really really exciting. I'm really 41 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 3: excited to see what this year has. But they haven't rolling, 42 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 3: and they've been rolling all year. 43 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course this comes on the heels of an 44 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 2: announcement earlier this week, three new franchises coming to the WNBA, 45 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 2: the expansion fee a record two hundred and fifty million. 46 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 2: That's five times more than the Valkyries, who are seen 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 2: as a very successful expansion team commanded in terms of 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: an expansion fee, So clearly a very good business to 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 2: be in. Flipping over to the Timberwolves and really to 50 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 2: the macro of it all, I would love for you 51 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: to take me and to take our listeners inside, like 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,920 Speaker 2: you were nervous leading up to it. What's it like 53 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: when you actually like you're signing to become an owner. 54 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a generationally impactful and meaningful moment 55 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: for you, for your family, all of it. Like, what 56 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: does it feel like? 57 00:02:58,720 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 58 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 3: Look, I think Mark and I we were like ten 59 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: year olds waiting for our parents to say, yes, you 60 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 3: can go out for the weekend. 61 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,399 Speaker 4: Yeah, and go get an ice cream. 62 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: I mean we're literally waiting by the phone with so 63 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: much anxiety and stress because ultimately, Jason, you don't know right. 64 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: You think you have a good case, but the arbiters 65 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 3: can decide one way or another, and you just really 66 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 3: never know. But you know, Mark and I both look, 67 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: I come from nothing, and when you come from nothing, 68 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 3: you appreciate everything. So obviously there is like a real, 69 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: real dream come true for both of us. 70 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 4: I mean, we're both from New York. 71 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 3: We always dreamed of being a part of an ownership 72 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: group and to have this moment and the responsibility. The 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 3: real stakeholders of these franchises are the fan base here 74 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: and we're lucky enough to have the financial wherewithal to 75 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 3: be able to steward these two franchises, and we both 76 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: feel very happy and grateful for the opportunity. 77 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: I saw a great post that you had on Instagram 78 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: of getting a call for being drafted and making a call. 79 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a cool split screen to see, but 80 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: what a split screen to live. There are only a 81 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 2: couple other people who've ever been able to do that, 82 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: Michael Jordan being another one to make that call knowing 83 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 2: what it feels like to have your life changed on 84 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: the other side. Tell me about that. 85 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, Jason, because when you saw the draft 86 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: this year, there was an incredible amount of emotion with 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 3: all the young players, and you see the tears, and 88 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 3: you see the gratitude and appreciation and that this belief 89 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: with their families, with their partners, you know, whoever's there 90 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,799 Speaker 3: with them. And I remember getting that call in nineteen 91 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 3: ninety three and having the same exact emotions. I mean, 92 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 3: here I am. A few years before that, I saw 93 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: a mom, you know, collecting food stamps because she was 94 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 3: a single mother. And here I am getting a million 95 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: dollar signing bonus. I thought it was like all the 96 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 3: money in the world, and it was and it still is. 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 3: And to make that call now and hear the emotion 98 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 3: on the other side when you talk to these young players. 99 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,559 Speaker 3: We drafted two kids, both over seven feet, both eighteen 100 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 3: years old, and I there, I was an eighteen year 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 3: old at the Kingdome playing for Loopanela and playing in 102 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 3: front of Can Grifford Junior. 103 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 4: And boy, I tell. 104 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: You what a world went to in thirty years To 105 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: be able to do that and make somebody else stream 106 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 3: come true is pretty awesome. 107 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 4: Yeah. 108 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 2: And so as you think about even the next few weeks, 109 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 2: there's a sense of you are working literally for years 110 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 2: to get this particular deal done, but what comes after 111 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: the deal is often the most interesting but some of 112 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 2: the most challenging stuff. So what's on your mind? What 113 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 2: are you and Mark sort of saying to each other, 114 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: as you know, you're in season with the Links, now 115 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 2: you're about to go to summer league in a few 116 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 2: weeks with the Wolves, Like I'm sure you're talking like 117 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: ten times a day, Like what are those conversations? 118 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I just hung up with them. 119 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: Actually, look, I think Jason, we have the great luxury 120 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 3: that Mark and I try to get our MBA on 121 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: the NBA for the last four years in this ownership transfer, 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 3: and we were allowed to run basketball basically for the 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 3: last four years. 124 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: One of the movie as we made early on was bringing. 125 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 3: In Tim Conley, and then Tim Conley brought a world 126 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 3: class team around him. 127 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: And that's worked out pretty well. 128 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: We've gone to back to back final fours Western Conference Finals. 129 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 3: We've come up short of our goal, but we want 130 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: to copy and paste that same exact philosophy bringing a 131 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 3: world class leader on the business side, and hopefully we 132 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: can have similar results. 133 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: Well. Meanwhile, in the NBA, you and Mark are now 134 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 2: governors of that league. The biggest headline in the NBA, 135 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: maybe the biggest headline in sports over the past couple 136 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: of years, has happened since we were on these mics together, 137 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: which is Los Angeles Lakers, perhaps the most iconic franchise 138 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 2: in all of sports, certainly in the top three, top 139 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: five sales for evaluation of ten billion dollars. It's an 140 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: amazing moment, not just because of the number, but because 141 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: of what Jerry Buss and his family have meant to 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 2: the league. This was someone you knew. You know Jeannie well, 143 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: she's a partner in the league. Obviously, what was your 144 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: reaction to that news of an ownership change, and of 145 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: course Mark Walter, well known for Guggenheim and the champion 146 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Dodgers, taking over that franchise, what was your 147 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: immediate reaction? 148 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 3: Well, I think my first thought was why would the 149 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: great doctor Buss be thinking right now? 150 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 4: And how proud he is of his six children. 151 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: And obviously Geny Buss has just done an incredible job, 152 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 3: you know, steward of that great franchise who learned under 153 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: Doctor Bus. My daughters are huge fans of Geny Buss 154 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 3: and they hope to one day, you know, follow her footsteps. 155 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: Look, the NBA is just an incredible global league. 156 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 3: And what really makes me happy about this transaction for 157 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: the Bus family and Geenie is that they're handing it 158 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,239 Speaker 3: off to an incredible business person who has a world 159 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: class track record. 160 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: Look what he's done with the Dodgers. 161 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 3: The Dodgers operate like an NFL team, almost like the 162 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. So if you're a Lakers fan, you're in 163 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 3: good hands. And good news for the Lakers is that 164 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 3: it looks Jeanie Buss is still going to stay on 165 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: as governor for at least a few more years. And 166 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: the Lakers are one of the most powerful franchises in 167 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 3: all the sports, not domestically but around the world. 168 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 169 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: And I was just as shocked as you when I 170 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: got the news, Jason, I was like what, And I 171 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: think that was a reaction for many fans around the world. 172 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, our tech thread was a series of expletives, I believe. Yeah, 173 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 2: so as I'm sure yours were. You know, my phone 174 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: was blowing up, just because you know, in the world 175 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 2: of business, and again, it's not just about the number, 176 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: it's about the fact that there was a trade in 177 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 2: the parliaance of deal making that really just knocked people's 178 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: socks off. Interestingly, our guest on today's show has a 179 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 2: connection to the Los Angeles Lakers, Michelle Wee West. The 180 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: West is her married name. Her husband, Johnny, works for 181 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: the Golden State Warriors. Her father in law was the 182 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: late Jerry West the logo and obviously made his name 183 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: with the Lakers and did so much for that franchise 184 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: and for basketball. Meanwhile, Michelle Wee before she was Michelle 185 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,439 Speaker 2: Wee West, completely changed the game of golf. I mean 186 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: really brought women's golf I think to the four. She 187 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: has since become an incredibly influential and powerful deal maker 188 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: in her own right and has really expanded her remit 189 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: a lot around sports. She became an investor in Together. 190 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: I love golf. I love watching her and her career 191 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: and what she's done. So I know you were excited 192 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: about this one as well as I was. 193 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, she's an extraordinary young woman. This 194 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: is one that I'm going to tell my daughters. You 195 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 3: have to listen to this episode. 196 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: It was a great conversation. We're excited for you to 197 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: listen to it. Coming up, Michelle we West. We are 198 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: so excited today to have none other than Michelle Wee 199 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 2: West with us. Michelle. Awesome to have. 200 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: You here, Thank you, Thanks for having me. 201 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: All right, So, you are just like exactly the type 202 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 2: of person we love to talk to on this show, 203 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: an incredible athlete who has really excelled in her business 204 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: endeavors so far. But I want to take you back 205 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: to one of your first big business decisions if we can, 206 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 2: which is something you have in common with my friend here, Alex. 207 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 2: Alex signed with Nike when he was seventeen, and people 208 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 2: don't usually get in one stuff like this, but you've 209 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: got him. You signed at fifteen. Walk us through that deal, Like, 210 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 2: what was going through your mind? Is that all happens? 211 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: I mean, this is obviously an iconic brand. Walk us 212 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: through that. 213 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, to be honest, I really wasn't too 214 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 1: involved with that. I mean, as you expect a fifteen 215 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: year old, I really had no interest in, you know, 216 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 1: learning about the business. I wish I wish I did. 217 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: In hindsight, you know, I was very fortunate that my 218 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: my parents, you know, were really good with money. My 219 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: dad was a math major, statistics major, you know, taught 220 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: statistics at a university, so he was very numbers based 221 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: and was very protective of my legacy and my time 222 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: and everything. And for me, I just wanted to play golf. 223 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: And it was funny because back in the day, I 224 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: don't remember that MTV show My Sweet Sixteen, where they 225 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: had this like lavish birthday parties for sixteen year olds, 226 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: and I was so obsessed with it. I was like, Okay, 227 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 1: it'd be really cool if I turned pro on my 228 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: sixteenth birthday. I did a big press conference and I 229 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: did a whole thing. 230 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 2: The all I really wanted was that. 231 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: And in terms of you know, the the technicalities of 232 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: the contract. You know I had signed with w ME, 233 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: I was a Jill Smoller powerhouse of his agent, so 234 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: I was very, yeah, very well protected in that space. 235 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: So I just I just to full trust and really 236 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,239 Speaker 1: trusted my parents, really trusted my agent and my agency, 237 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: and you know, I think they had my back. I 238 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: think I signed a pretty good deal. But when I 239 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: was I really tried to separate myself from the money 240 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: aspect of it because I never wanted it to feel 241 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: like that. And in golf very different from team sports. 242 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: You pay for everything upfront. You pay for your flights, 243 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: you pay sometimes for your caddy flights when they're international, 244 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: your PT, your trainer, you know, your support staff that 245 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: are coming with you. A lot of times you know 246 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: every week that was my parents, you know, your hotel room. 247 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: And when you start to think about money, it really 248 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: starts to mess with your head. And there was like 249 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,839 Speaker 1: a short period of time when I was playing I 250 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: would start thinking about that. When I was like missing 251 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: cuts and playing really poorly, I was like, oh my god, 252 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: I'm in the red every single week, and it just 253 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 1: it makes you not Playwall. It makes you feel like 254 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: it's a job and whatnot. And I felt like I 255 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: played my best when I just separated the two and 256 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: I played because I wanted to play Wall. I wanted 257 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: to win. I wanted to feel the feeling of that, 258 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: and not because of the money aspect of it. And 259 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: of course I was very fortunate and some amazing deals 260 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 1: with some amazing companies. But I really try to separate 261 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: the two when I was playing. 262 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 3: So Michelle, I love that, and our audience just loves 263 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,839 Speaker 3: this kind of nuanced stuff, right, you just mentioned this 264 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 3: is totally different than team sports. I couldn't think of 265 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 3: paying for a team flight or uniforms or like caddies 266 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: like bat boys just come with us. 267 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 4: They just show up. 268 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: When you think about when you first started, you mentioned 269 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 3: being on the Red, how much of an investment upfront 270 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 3: do you have to make and how much do you. 271 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:30,079 Speaker 4: Have to make to be in the on the black. 272 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:34,479 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. You know, my parents, obviously, 273 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: you know, we're very middle class. My dad was, you know, 274 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: a professor, my mom was a realtor. And you know, 275 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: I was very fortunate because time wise, my parents were 276 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: very flexible and being able to spend time with me 277 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: their time, which is so important. My mom can make 278 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: her own hours. My dad had spring break and all 279 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: the summer off. So I was very fortunate in that sense, 280 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: with you know, obviously time being wealth and my parents 281 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: being able to so much o their time with me, 282 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: you know, but money wise, another factor of it was 283 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: that I grew up in Hawaii, and you know, to 284 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: play in tournaments, it's not just a quick drive here 285 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: and there. It's not like I was born living in 286 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: southern California and I could play in all the tournaments. 287 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: I could just get in a car and drive to Nevada, 288 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: drive to Scott Still, drive to the Bay Area. It's 289 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: a five hour substantial air flight to play in these tournaments. 290 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: But early on, you know, I contribute a lot of 291 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: my success to you know, we call in Hawaii, like, 292 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: you know, everyone is aunts and uncle and you know, 293 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: even though you're not family. And I acquired a lot 294 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: of amazing antias and uncles you know in Hawaii who 295 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, paid for my course fees. I had a 296 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: lot of support from you know, my people in Hawaii, 297 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: and that's kind of why I kind of started this 298 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: strange career path in terms of playing in PGA Tour 299 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: events when I was fourteen, and then qualified for LPG 300 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: events when I would I was twelve. And I think 301 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: a lot of that contributed to the financial aspect of it. 302 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: I was just trying to find tournaments on island. Sony 303 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: Open happened ten minutes for my house. And you know, 304 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: when I was twelve, I had already won the largest 305 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: woman's amateur event, the most prestigious women's amor event in 306 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: Hawaii by thirteen strokes. 307 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 308 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, where do you go from there? Right? And 309 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, within that small space. Then I started 310 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: playing in men's events, and then I was like, oh, 311 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: why don't I play in the Sony Open that's ten 312 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: minutes for my house, it doesn't cost anything, Or why 313 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 1: don't I qualify for the Takefuji Classic, which was on 314 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: the Big Island when I was twelve. You know, I 315 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: qualify for the USJ pubpet Links when I was ten. 316 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: But you know, it's just it's so much money and 317 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: when you're playing those amateur events, you don't get anything back. 318 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: My parents, you know, they sacrifice so much for me 319 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: to get where I am. But you think about the 320 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: financial aspect of it, not because I did these things 321 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: to muster up the image or try to get a 322 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: bigger deal with Nike. It wasn't even that. It was 323 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: just pure I'm just trying to not be so much 324 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 1: in the red yeah, you know, trying to find tournaments 325 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: local and that ended up being I guess the PGA 326 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: tor event, which is the Sony Open, which is kind 327 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: of wild to think about. 328 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 2: What were you thinking about at the time. Did it 329 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: just feel like, well, this is what I'm doing. Did 330 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: it feel as radical as it you know read to 331 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: the rest of the world. 332 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: No, I meant me, this is like my fourteen year 333 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: old self thinking this was like you know, I was 334 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: I played on the boys baseball team and literally I 335 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: was the only girl. I made the All Star team, 336 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, this is just like that. 337 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so at that point, I mean I'd love to. 338 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: I mean, Alex is a very good golfer. I am 339 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 2: a very poor golfer, but we both love the game. 340 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: I mean, talk to us about golf and the business 341 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: of golf when you came in and then maybe fast 342 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: forward to where we are today for both the overall 343 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: game and especially for women's game. 344 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know what's so amazing about golf is that 345 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: it really opens the doors for you to play with 346 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 1: CEOs and high executives. And already when I was ten, eleven, twelve, 347 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: I was playing with the most influential people in Hawaii 348 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: just because they wanted to play with this kid who's 349 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: like really good at golf, and you know, we would 350 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: you know, have some friendly games, money betting games, and 351 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 1: ended up acquiring a big stack of cash, which I 352 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: was like, I'm going to save this money to buy 353 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: my first car. That's just so powerful about the game 354 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: of golf, and I get so passionate about getting more 355 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: girls of color into the game of golf, just because 356 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: there's no other sport that connects you to the most 357 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: powerful people in the world. 358 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 3: So, Michelle, I just want to follow up on that 359 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: I mean, that is an interesting concept. If someone so young, 360 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 3: you're a female, you're still in college, and you're playing 361 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: with some of the most successful CEOs, as you said, 362 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:02,479 Speaker 3: in the world. What point in those eighteen holes do 363 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 3: you know I may have some traction here? 364 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 4: Is it? You know? The back now? 365 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: And do you sometimes kind of misread it like oh 366 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 3: my god, I'm gonna get a deal here and you 367 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 3: get nothing. And sometimes you think, oh this was quite 368 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: pedestrian and you get a big deal. 369 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 4: Has that ever happened? And when do you know? 370 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I don't think it's 371 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: so specific like that. But you know, I think the 372 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: world everything is about connections and making human connections with people. 373 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been very fortunate in my life, 374 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think golf is so 375 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: different from other sports, like even like baseball or football 376 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: or basketball. You know, when you're signed with a company, 377 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,479 Speaker 1: you're not going out. The CEO is not playing a 378 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: sport like let's say, you know, they sign a really 379 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: famous football player. These CEOs are not just being like, hey, 380 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: let's just pad up and let's play football. Agains see 381 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: each other, right, They don't get these like organic experiences, 382 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: whereas golf you're spending five hours of like meaningful connecting 383 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: time with these top CEOs and it's I think it's 384 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: extremely powerful. But it's gotten me some in some very 385 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 1: interesting rooms and feel very blessed about that. 386 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 2: And what do you think about sort of the state 387 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 2: of the game now, Michelle, I mean, it feels like 388 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: we're at this fascinating moment for both the men's tours 389 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 2: and the women's game as well. You know, we've had 390 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: changeovers in leadership across the board. As you look at 391 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 2: the state of golf, you know, as someone who obviously 392 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 2: played it at the very highest level and someone who 393 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 2: cares about the game, Like, what do you make of 394 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 2: it at the moment? 395 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think the men's side. On the 396 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: women's side, you know, they have some connecting past, but 397 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: I think the women's side, I'm extremely excited about the 398 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: new leadership. You know, our persons are getting bigger on 399 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: our tour, we're getting better viewership. I still think there's 400 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot that needs to be done to give these 401 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: girls what they deserve in terms of you know, media 402 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: attention and viewership on broadcast. You know, on the men's side, 403 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: it's definitely a little messier right now, and I think 404 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: they're trying to find their way. But yeah, I think 405 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: it's an exciting time for both men and women. There's 406 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: a lot of change going on. There's a lot of 407 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: competition going on, especially on the men's side in terms 408 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: of leagues, and when that happens, I always think there's 409 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: a net positive at the end of it. 410 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 2: It also feels like, even more broadly, that the game 411 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 2: is like gaining steam. I mean you think about I 412 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: know you're involved with TGL as an owner. We got 413 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 2: a chance to interview Mike McCarley on this show. I 414 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: was able to see one of the matches live and 415 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: in person. What attracted you to that is a deal 416 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: in terms of growing the game, Yeah. 417 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: I was very intrigued from the moment I heard about 418 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,199 Speaker 1: TGL when they were incorporating the amount of technology that 419 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: they are with simulator golf and know all sorts of technology. 420 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: I love the aspect of bringing the game indoors into 421 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: an arena. I think that's kind of like one thing 422 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: that golf is so great about. But in terms of spectatorship, 423 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: live spectatorship, it's hard. It's hard as a spectator to 424 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: go out to the golf course, you know, especially in 425 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: the summer when it's hot, to follow your favorite golfer 426 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: four five hours walking. I think bringing it indoors brings 427 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: the more casual viewership, more casual spectator into the game. 428 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: With the rise of top golf and golf simulators all 429 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: over the country, I think it just really brings on 430 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: a fun new twist to the game. And went to 431 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: one TJ match live and I was so impressed. I 432 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: was blown away. I think the tunnel is such a 433 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 1: fun idea. It kind of brings in the fun aspects 434 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: of like NBA, NFL, like that energy into golf, which 435 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: I think is is so refreshing. I think TJL is 436 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: a great supplement to you know, quote unquote real grass golf. 437 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: I think it's just a really fun way that you 438 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 1: can see teen sport and professional golf and see these guys' 439 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: personalities and see the technology is pretty cool. I'm excited 440 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: about it. 441 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: And Michelle, you talked about how happy you are with 442 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 3: where women's golf is today, but just wondering, obviously there's 443 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 3: always a ways to go into everything. When you think 444 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: about if there's one or two things that you can 445 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 3: do to improve the game and make it better. 446 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 4: What would be those two things? 447 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it And I can go on and 448 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: on about this. Yeah, I think that the TV quality, 449 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: the broadcast quality of our tournament needs to get a 450 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 1: lot better. And that means more cameras on site, more 451 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: on screen technology, more. And this is my second point, 452 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: which I'm going to bacon into one is better statistics. 453 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: You know, on our tour, the caddies still write down statistics, 454 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: starts gained and all that. They still manually write it 455 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: down instead of it being automated, and you know, and whatnot, 456 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: and that you know comes hand in hand with sports vetting, 457 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: and you know, obviously people have their views on that whatnot, 458 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: but it is a fact that sports betting does drive 459 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 1: viewership in terms of people who watch sports, and when 460 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: we don't have really accurate statistics, it's hard for people 461 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: to get into sports betting, which obviously, again, like you know, 462 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,239 Speaker 1: that's a very controversial topic. But I do think that 463 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 1: we need to work on our broadcast quality in terms 464 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,199 Speaker 1: of number of cameras on site. You know, I believe 465 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: that the men have you know, more than tripled amount 466 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: of cameras that are on site, so they cut to 467 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: a lot of places. I think it just came out 468 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: that a lot of stuff isn't really live anymore. They 469 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: just cut to the best shots, and it just produces 470 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: so much more drama, so much more excitement. Were our tour, 471 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: you know, you have maybe one camera following the lead 472 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: group or a couple cameras based around the golf course, 473 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 1: and you know, our players look slower to the TV 474 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: viewer because one camera is just following one player a 475 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: lot longer instead of cutting back and forth. And people, 476 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: especially nowadays, what they're you know, our lack of attention span. 477 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 1: You know, we need that better cutting back and forth. So, 478 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, I think if we can increase our broadcast quality, 479 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: I think our viewership will also rise. And I think 480 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: if we have better statistics, I think the people who 481 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: are talking about our game will have more stats to 482 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: back it up with instead of being like, oh, Nellie 483 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: Court is a really great player and you're like why, 484 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: and you're like, well, cause she is, you know, you know, like, 485 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: I think statistics really help in that sense, which I 486 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: think we are going in the right direction, and I 487 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: think that's just really helpful in viewership as well too. 488 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: Well, it's interesting to think about that in the context 489 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: of one of your latest deals, Michelle, which is partnering 490 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: up with Together, who famously has everyone watches women's sports 491 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 2: their T shirt, their iconic shirt. Super Bird was a 492 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 2: guest on this show and talked a lot to us 493 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 2: about sort of the origin story there. I mean, it 494 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,080 Speaker 2: does seem like what you're saying, and correct me if 495 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Is there is proof out that there's increasing 496 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: proof out there that if the quality of the broadcast 497 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 2: is good, if the quality the content is good and 498 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: it's available, people will watch it. People will watch women's sports. 499 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: Was that part of the idea that you wanted to 500 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: get involved with Together? What was the sort of impetus 501 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: for you getting involved with them? 502 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I have been a very big fan of Together 503 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: for a while since say kind of came out, since 504 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: the origin. I just saw how beautifully their storytelling was. 505 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: I thought the different aspects of you know, reporting the 506 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: news is one thing, but also storytelling the athlete behind 507 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: the moment, the moments leading up to the moment, I 508 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: thought were so beautifully done. You know, obviously a big 509 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: fan of you know, all the og Together crew. Alex Chloe, Sue, 510 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 1: you know, all of them. And I've gotten pretty close 511 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: with Alex and her husband Servondo, and you know. 512 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: They are sorry Alex Morgan, Yeah. 513 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: Alex Morgan, yeah, yeah, and her husband, Sirvondo, And you know, 514 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: we've just been talking a lot about golf and been 515 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 1: noticing on their content. You know, they're very heavy into 516 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: you know, WNDA and soccer and sports that they know 517 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,919 Speaker 1: really well, and you know, they wanted to expand into golf, 518 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: and we just started talking and obviously I'm very passionate 519 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: about women's golf and furthering that, so just it was 520 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: a perfect fit. 521 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: By the way, Alex, I love the idea that they're like, 522 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: oh god, wish we could get into women's golf. Who 523 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 2: could help us get into Oh, I mean maybe Michelle 524 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 2: Lee West. I mean that would that be the ver 525 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: and the idea that you were interested, I mean, that 526 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: is a that is that's a dream matchup. It feels 527 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: like I imagine they were receptive when you when you 528 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 2: first had that conversation, and. 529 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: No, you know, I just was honored that they were 530 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: even thinking of me or came to me. But yeah, 531 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,679 Speaker 1: it's been really cool to see, you know how excited 532 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: there are about, you know, learning about golf in general. 533 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 1: I think a lot of the people that are working 534 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: on the social side of you know, together are getting 535 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: really into golf in general, which is what we want 536 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: the casual viewership to go up right, And we have 537 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: a very amazing nation women's golf where the people that 538 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: are excited about women's golf are really excited about women's golf, right. 539 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: But I think, you know, kind of incorporating the casual viewers, 540 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,560 Speaker 1: the casual golf viewers, not just even men or women. 541 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to go gender. I'm just talking 542 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: about the casual golfer, the top golfer, the people who 543 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,239 Speaker 1: go to putt putt or pop stroke. You know, we 544 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: want those viewers to get excited about women's golf. 545 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 3: So, Michelle, I want to transition a little bit. You know, 546 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: when you think about athletes and entrepreneurs, mentorship is such 547 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 3: a big component of it. And you have some royalty 548 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 3: around you. Obviously your mother played golf ever since you 549 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: were you know, basically born. But then you're married to 550 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 3: Johnny West, who works with the Warriors, and his father's 551 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: the late great Jerry West, who was a friend and 552 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 3: a mentor of mine and also known as the logo 553 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 3: in the NBA. Is there anything that you feel that 554 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 3: you've learned from both of them? Maybe start with your 555 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 3: mother that has really helped shape your career and anything 556 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: from the late Jerry West that you learned that you 557 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: still carry today. 558 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: Oh for sure. You know, First, I think the lessons 559 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: that I learned from my mom. You know, she was 560 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: Miss Korea, she was a dancer, played golf. I think 561 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: from her, I learned it was okay to be different, 562 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: it was okay to have passions, and you know, I 563 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: think when you look at my mom and my dad. 564 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 1: My dad came from a very traditional educational family, went 565 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: down the PhD route, became a professor. My mom, when 566 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: I hear of her childhood, it was you know, very unique, 567 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: very different. You know, she would skip school to go 568 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: to dance class, and you know, she was in pageants 569 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: and she was a kid and traveled the world and 570 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: dedicated her passion to that. And also my mom's younger 571 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: brother was a professional bowler and fun fact, I think 572 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: he won the gold medal when he was thirteen as 573 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: as a bowler. Oh yeah, so I know. So it's 574 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: like it's very split between my dad's side of the family, 575 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: who's all PhDs, all doctors, and my mom's side of family, 576 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: who's in the you know, the arts and the sports. 577 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: So my mom always kind of told me to dream big, 578 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: to look at things bigger, to not put yourself in 579 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: a category. And then you know, you know, meeting my 580 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 1: husband and you know, his family, it was amazing to 581 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: spend time with Jerry and to witness the passion you know, 582 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: even I obviously I did not know him when he played, 583 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 1: and I've only known him in his kind of post 584 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: playing career. It's just it was amazing to see his 585 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: passion in not only furthering the sport, but like players 586 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: as well. And you know, when you talk about mentorship, 587 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: I don't think there was anyone better at mentoring than 588 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: my father in law. He would spend hours a day 589 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: talking to players who either came to him or for 590 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: advice about what should I do about post retirement? How 591 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: do I get past this injury? I'm in a mental funk. 592 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: What do I do? He just left the door so 593 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: open for so many players to reach out to him, 594 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: which I really I was so impressed with. 595 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: I did want to end with this notion of what's 596 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: happening in golf because you mentioned something really interesting, Michelle, 597 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: which is this idea that it feels like And maybe 598 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 2: it's because I'm super into golf right now, but like 599 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: my twenty two year old's really into it, My twenty 600 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: year old is really into it, my seven year old 601 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: daughter is like has her like little junior clubs, like 602 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: sub junior clubs. It does feel like golf is having 603 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 2: a moment, and part of it does feel like it's 604 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: driven by social media, by people sort of seeing you know, 605 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 2: for lack of better term, people who they like and respect, 606 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: people who they identify with playing. How does that continue 607 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: and how do you accelerate that. Maybe that gets into 608 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 2: some of the work you're doing with together. 609 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: Sure, I mean, I think it's amazing to see the 610 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: actual numbers go up every year about the number of 611 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: kids that get into sport. And I think I have 612 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: to give a lot of kudos to the creators that 613 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: are in golf. You know, the YouTube golf. I need 614 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: to learn more about YouTube. I'm not cool enough to 615 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: learn about it, but it's incredible, like the followings that 616 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: these people have. But like I go saying, you know, 617 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: we need to get more casual viewers into the game 618 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: of golf. And that's what I love about TGL as well, 619 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 1: is that there are so many different forms of golf. 620 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: When people use to think about what golf was, it 621 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: was this very narrow viewpoint of what golf is, which 622 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:10,440 Speaker 1: is country club, stuffy, old white, and I think that 623 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: a the creators are changing that mentality. I think TGL 624 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: is changing that mentality. I think social media, like you said, 625 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: my husband said a really interesting point yesterday. I get 626 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 1: He read in an article that if you are parents 627 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: at play golf and your kids play golf, you end 628 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: up spending eighteen percent more time with your kids if 629 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: your kids play golf, which I thought was so fascinating 630 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: and so cool. I think golf is one of the 631 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: rare sports that you can play multi generationally. You know, 632 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: you can play with your grandfather, your grandmother, your parents, 633 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: your son, daughter, and it's such a beautiful sport that 634 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm glad that people are starting to see the different 635 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: forms of golf and that it's not only in like 636 00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: the eighteen whole country club golf that people are seeing. 637 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 2: All right, So we like to end every episode with 638 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: the lightning Round. It's just five questions. We'll bounce it 639 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 2: back and forth. Just say whatever you know pops into 640 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: your head. What's the best piece of advice you've ever 641 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 2: received on deal making or business? 642 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously when people say trust or gut, I 643 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: think that's extremely important. I do a lot of angel investing. 644 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: Someone told me it's all about the founder. It's all 645 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: about the CEO. It's not about the idea. It's about 646 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: the CEO. If you only get so hooked on the 647 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: idea but you're unsure about the CEO, it never really 648 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: ends up well because with early stage investing, the idea 649 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: changes all the time, and it really it centers around 650 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: how good of a CEO you are, how good of 651 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: a founder you are. I've learned to trust my gut 652 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: more on the founder slash CEO of the team rather 653 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: than the singular idea. 654 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 4: Your dream deal making partner. 655 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: Actually, I started working with Patrick coff and Co. Which 656 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 1: is a company that really helped athletes with their deals. 657 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: So they've been a really great partner with me so far. 658 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 2: That's a good one. I was going to shout out 659 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 2: our buddy Mark, Patrick Coffay, this is over, so I'm 660 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 2: glad you mentioned them. All right, what team do you 661 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 2: want to see win a championship more than any. 662 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm in the Warriors. 663 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, good answer. That's good for Voks. Okay, that's 664 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: to go to the Valkyriz of course, the newest team 665 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 2: in the WNBA. 666 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 3: All right, Michelle, what's your hype song before a big 667 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 3: meeting or a big negotiation? 668 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: Oh right now the very moment. The song that I've 669 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: listened to the most and it kind of gets me 670 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: hyped is Steeveslama Chicken from Minecraft. 671 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 2: What's your advice for someone listening who wants a career 672 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 2: like yours, which, by the way, you have a singular career, 673 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: but if they want to sort of make a transition 674 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 2: to business like you have so successfully. 675 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,280 Speaker 1: For me, deciding to retire as a very personal decision. 676 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,879 Speaker 1: But I think I was so happy with decision because 677 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: I felt so right. I would say, don't rush into it, 678 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: don't be so fixated on your feeling right now. I 679 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: think there's so many times in my career where I 680 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: wanted to quit just because that moment was so hurtful 681 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: or so tough. When I actually decided to retire, it 682 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: was such a calm decision, non emotional. When you can 683 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: get to that place, I think then that's the right 684 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: moment to make a decision. 685 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 2: All right, well, Michelle we West. This has been such 686 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 2: a treat for us. You've been on our list for 687 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,120 Speaker 2: a long time, so I'm glad we finally made it happen. 688 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 2: We really appreciate your time. Thank you so much. 689 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: Thank you. 690 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,880 Speaker 2: The Deal is hosted by Alex Rodriguez and me Jason Kelly. 691 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 2: This episode was made by animaz Iracus, Stacey Wong and 692 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 2: Lizzie Phillip. Amy Keen is our editor and Will Connelly 693 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: is our video editor. Our theme music is made by 694 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: Blake Maples. Our executive producers are Kelly Leferrier, Ashley Hoenig, 695 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,200 Speaker 2: and Brenda Nonham. Sage Bauman is the head of Bloomberg Podcasts. 696 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 2: Additional support from Rachel Carnivale and Elena Los Angeles. Thanks 697 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 2: so much for listening to the Deal. 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