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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of I Saw What

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Speaker 1: You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho.

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Speaker 2: I'm Daniel Henderson, and we're.

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Speaker 1: Here with you to talk about movies once again. Danielle Poppin'

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Speaker 1: do a little shoulder shoulder lean.

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing the same shirt I wore yesterday we recorded

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Speaker 2: the bonus.

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Speaker 1: I'm wearing the same hoodie I wore yesterday, except I'm

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Speaker 1: not wearing a shirt.

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Speaker 2: Underneath, so you're basically wearing the same shirt.

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Speaker 1: We're both wearing the same shirt.

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Speaker 2: I got dressed yesterday to a shower. I got dressed,

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Speaker 2: wore my shirt all day, fell asleep on the couch

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Speaker 2: in the shirt, bulg up, went to get a Dunken

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Speaker 2: Donuts in the shirt, and I'm like, oh, well, if

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Speaker 2: I'm already outside, that's just what I'm wearing again today.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 1: Can I say something to you?

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Speaker 2: So?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Was it like two days ago? A couple days ago?

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Speaker 1: I saw Have you seen Bike Riders yet?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: It's a new film starring Tom Hardy, our boy Tom Hardy.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, are we talking motor bike Riders?

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Speaker 1: Yes, ma'am. It starts Tom Hardy and my boy Austin Butler.

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Speaker 1: My one gen z late millennial, I don't know how

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Speaker 1: old he is. Crush, celebrity crush, and it takes place

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Speaker 1: in like the nineteen sixties, and it's there to me,

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Speaker 1: very influenced by The Wild One that like Marlon Brando movie.

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Speaker 1: So can I just tell you right now? So the

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Speaker 1: two things I thought when I saw that movie. Number One,

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Speaker 1: this is about as close to pornography as you can

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Speaker 1: get made specifically for me. But two, I need to

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Speaker 1: have an update with Danielle to see if she's gotten

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Speaker 1: on a back of another motorcycle. Because now I'm obsessed

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Speaker 1: with motorcycles and I'm obsessed with you being a passenger

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Speaker 1: on a motorcycle.

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Speaker 3: I did yesterday what I did yesterday? Yes, yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: probably gonna go again this week.

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Speaker 2: I can't stop.

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Speaker 1: I love it. So are you here's my thing? Are

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Speaker 1: you about to go to your local paper and walk

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Speaker 1: down to the like the classified section. I'm sure this

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Speaker 1: doesn't exist. I'm just saying it.

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Speaker 2: Does you know where I live? Of course it exists here.

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Speaker 1: Of course? Oh yea to the local Warwick newspaper and

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Speaker 1: be like I'm putting out an ad. I'm looking to

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Speaker 1: be a passenger on a motorcycle if you are interested.

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Speaker 1: Right to box forty five sixty seven.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, I will come up with the schedules

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Speaker 2: that I have someone every day who will take me

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Speaker 2: on a motorcycle.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I fucking love it. I went yesterday.

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Speaker 1: God, you gotta see this movie then, because I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's this is like, what this entire movie is

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Speaker 1: about is about like hot people running motorcycles.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm hot Hardy on a motorcycle. Do

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Speaker 2: we need to go further down this road of how

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Speaker 2: hot that is? As a concept?

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Speaker 1: Yo? He is so sick in this movie. Dude, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna freak out. You're gonna freak out. Like there's people

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Speaker 1: out there that are like I have seen it at

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Speaker 1: this point and probably have their own opinions. But for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm a simple woman. I'm like, absolutely is it? Tom

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Speaker 1: Hardy in a vintage leather jacket looking like Marlon Brando

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Speaker 1: in the Wild One with some weird chicago Ish accent,

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Speaker 1: Like he sounds like a nineteen thirties gangster.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm done.

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Speaker 1: I'm done.

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Speaker 3: He he might be my favorite celebrity.

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Speaker 2: I mean too, just like overall like his actual non

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Speaker 2: working life seems incredibly cool. He fucking loves dogs. He

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Speaker 2: fucking loves dogs. Have you ever seen him do the

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Speaker 2: cbb's reading. No, he reads stories two children on like

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Speaker 2: the BBC Children's channel. What I don't look it up

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Speaker 2: right now? Look it up right now. Actually, I'll send

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Speaker 2: you link. I'll send you a link. Just listen to

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Speaker 2: ten ten seconds of it. He is very gentle and kind,

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Speaker 2: but he's also stacked. And I don't I just I

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Speaker 2: he might be my favorite celebrity celebrity.

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Speaker 1: Look, that's my kryptonite, babe, A gentle giant.

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Speaker 2: What he reads fucking bedtime stories two children? I'm just

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Speaker 2: I'm just throwing that out there.

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Speaker 1: Look, I am rendered useless around someone who looks like

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Speaker 1: he was chiseled out of the face of a rock.

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Speaker 1: Looks mean as shit, but that underneath is this like

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Speaker 1: tender baby, He's.

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Speaker 3: A tender bitch.

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Speaker 2: He looks like he can rip your neck, your head,

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Speaker 2: off of your shoulders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm clicking this link. Oh no, he's is that

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Speaker 1: a French bulldog? What am I looking at? Yeah? I

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Speaker 1: love him, I love him. He's in the frame. I

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Speaker 1: just literally clicked on a frame and it's like him

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Speaker 1: with a sleeve tattoo and a trucker hat, sitting with

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Speaker 1: the French bulldog and then like a bunch of stuffed animals.

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Speaker 2: And just reading bedtime stories to children and me and me.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, Killiyan Murphy is my main bedtime

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Speaker 2: story on the call map.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, oh I hear it.

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Speaker 2: I will occasionally dabble into Tom Hardy cbebe's okay.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we talked to him this a long time

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Speaker 1: ago on that call map, because that's how I got

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Speaker 1: obsessed with Harry Styles for a brief moment, because I

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Speaker 1: was like, oh, it's weird. It's like I'm laying in

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Speaker 1: about like some psychedelic bullshit. But that after a while,

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Speaker 1: I played it so much that I was like, I

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Speaker 1: gotta move on. And then I definitely went to Killian

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Speaker 1: Murphy for a while because he is the sleepy time

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Speaker 1: tea that you need.

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Speaker 2: Give absolutely the sleepy time tee bear.

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Speaker 1: But they need Tom Hardy to be on the call map.

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Speaker 3: What is what that mean?

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Speaker 2: He can be reading the directions for like how to

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Speaker 2: install you a new refrigerator and I'd be like, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Good, this is I'm I'm clicking on this like child

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Speaker 1: section of this like YouTube channel and I'm gonna watch.

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Speaker 1: Is there more than this? It feels like that.

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Speaker 2: Just scroll. This is your whole life now. And he

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Speaker 2: does it all year long.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, there's a twenty five minute comp of him.

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Speaker 2: Just Readyeah okay, yeah, okay, this is your life now.

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Speaker 2: There are like forty five fucking videos of him doing this.

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Speaker 2: He does it at Christmas, he does.

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Speaker 1: It all the time.

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Speaker 2: Just look up Tom Hardy talking to children and revolutionize

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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 1: This might be my ben affleck at Dunkin Donuts thing,

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Speaker 1: And I'm happy to make this to introduce this to

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Speaker 1: you so that can be your cultural touchtone.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Can I get a embroidery of Tom Hardy reading a

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Speaker 1: bedtime story with a French bulldog and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: fuckings teddy bears. There's like a Teddy bear in this.

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Speaker 2: Shot, and then he is also a Teddy bear.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh I love this guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's he's it's again, welcome to your life. I

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Speaker 2: will be seeing this movie, even though I find Austin.

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Speaker 3: Butler completely creepy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but he's like a

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Speaker 1: I love him though.

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Speaker 3: Oh he's young.

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Speaker 2: He's so young and so old at the same time.

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Speaker 3: It is disarming.

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Speaker 1: Wait, actually, how old is he? I'm about to look

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Speaker 1: this up. Austin Butler.

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Speaker 2: If that man it's a day over twenty six, I'm

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Speaker 2: calling bullshit.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's thirty two. Okay, see bullshit, he's thirty. He's

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Speaker 2: Why is he out here looking like a creepy feet

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Speaker 2: is I think he's just got you know what he's got.

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Speaker 1: He's got like Lee Marvin face.

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Speaker 3: M do you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like he's got one of these like long faces with

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe that.

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Speaker 1: Throws people off. I don't know, but I love the

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: He could be I don't know. As of this recording,

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Speaker 3: So but I'm telling I know he ain't given up

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Speaker 3: that Elvis voice. Did he talk like Elvis in this

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Speaker 1: No? I mean, who knows? I this whole this movie

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Speaker 1: was so wild because it took place in the Midwest. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so everyone in the movie had a voice like this,

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Speaker 1: like Marissa Tomay in untange part and I was like,

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Speaker 2: It was haunting that man. I know, but I'm a

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Speaker 1: I love that stupid shit. I love any kind of

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Speaker 1: like ridiculous Southern accent. But I'm gonna tell you right now,

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Speaker 1: this movie really did make Like I almost texted you

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Speaker 1: after I walked out of the movie being like, uh so,

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Speaker 1: what's a motorcycle update? Passenger? Come on? Like what I mean?

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Speaker 2: I am unfortunately not gonna stop anytime soon. I have

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Speaker 1: You got a helmet.

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Speaker 3: I got a helmet. I have my own helmet.

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Speaker 2: So goodbye to my heart, I guess because I fucking

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Speaker 2: love it.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so exciting. I love this new

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Speaker 1: phase of your life.

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Speaker 2: It's emotionally devastating, but it's very exciting.

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Speaker 1: I hear you. I know, but it's worth it bit.

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Speaker 1: You look fucking cool. You should get a you should

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Speaker 1: get a photographer out there, do some like headshots. I

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Speaker 3: I basically do.

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Speaker 2: Everyone in town's doing fucking reconnaissance. Every time I hop

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Speaker 2: what are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm forty seven years old. I'm living my life,

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Speaker 3: is what I'm doing.

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Speaker 1: There's some like TMZ shit happening in the town.

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Speaker 2: No one gives a shit about me in this town

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Speaker 2: until I hop on the back of a fucking motorcycle

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Speaker 2: and then they're like yo. And my literary agent, Christopher,

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Speaker 2: knows that I've been going on some rides, and every

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Speaker 2: time I go on, when he sends me an article

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Speaker 2: from from where he lives, and he's like sending me

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Speaker 2: a local article about somebody who died on the back

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Speaker 2: of a motorcycle, Christopher, and I'm like, can you comment down, sir,

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Speaker 2: calm me down. He's like, motorcycle accident, driver killed instantly,

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Speaker 2: passenger in tatters, Like it's just like always something like that,

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Speaker 2: like passengers slid under an eighteen wheeler and got crushed.

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Speaker 1: Or something like.

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Speaker 2: He just can't stop sending me these fucking articles.

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Speaker 1: Christopher is so wonderfully macabre in that way.

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Speaker 2: He really is, and he's very paternal, very very sweet

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Speaker 2: and paternal. So I understand the the where it's coming from.

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Speaker 2: But I'm still just like.

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Speaker 1: Also, if you don't know what we're talking about, you

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Speaker 3: It's too hot.

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Speaker 2: I might be booty shortened, and I mean like crotch

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Speaker 1: Now you listen, you'd be on trend honestly, because I

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Speaker 3: See, this is how horny.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doing anything.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot of misplaced horniness happening, and it

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Speaker 1: God I wish I was young instead instead, I would

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Speaker 2: You know, this is what I mean, Like, I definitely

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Speaker 1: But also it's a necessity. Do you realize that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like this is like all this dystopian future ship where

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Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: Oh? It's gonna be like the Road Warrior real quick.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, like, but all of us in pasties, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well listen, I'm all about that. I'm about

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Speaker 3: You know what else I'm about I got a little

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Speaker 3: skost for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, what bearing the lead?

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Speaker 1: We're like at least fifteen minutes in.

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Speaker 2: You know how it is. I don't talk to anyone

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Speaker 2: for days and then I talk to you and I'm like, here,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm excited. I'm excited.

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Speaker 3: I do have a serial killer of self care.

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Speaker 1: We need a theme song, a serial killer, just like

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Speaker 1: a little Diddy.

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Speaker 3: You think you know the answer, but you don't.

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Speaker 1: Or maybe it's that we just play suck it on

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Speaker 3: That is that is truly the ethos of skull skosk.

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Speaker 1: Don't care her self care? Is a serial killer or

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? And you know the answer? A serial killer?

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Speaker 2: Why you suck it out the doge who taught you

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Speaker 2: how to eat?

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Speaker 1: That's an easy one for at home.

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Speaker 3: Keep that shit at home.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a serial killer of self care for you, Millie,

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Speaker 2: which means, as for the rules that we've made up

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Speaker 1: I take notes now by the way I take I

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Speaker 3: So Milly has to.

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Speaker 2: Answer based on what she thinks I would say, So

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Speaker 2: is the thing that I'm going to present to her

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Speaker 2: it behavioral self care? And it's not her answer. She

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Speaker 2: has to decide what I would answer to whoever's presenting

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Speaker 1: It's basically a test to see how well you know

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Speaker 2: It kind of is, yeah, but it's a fun way

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm ready, my notes are ready. Let's go.

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Speaker 3: All right, serial killer or self care?

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Speaker 2: Using your wiper fluid on the highway.

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Speaker 1: This is so random. I okay for you, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: Fucking kiddy me. You know the chain reaction you set

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Speaker 2: off when you're zipping at sixty five miles per hour

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Speaker 2: and wiping your fucking windshield and your shit's missed it

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Speaker 2: that can last hours because everyone behind you, in consequential

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Speaker 1: That is so interesting because I actually toss ice on

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Speaker 1: This usually happens when I'm like driving long distances. Right,

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Speaker 1: So if i have like an ice coffee, a dunk

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Speaker 1: I'll open the window and I'll just like take it

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Speaker 2: I am calling your mom right now.

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Speaker 1: I was like, is that bad? Apparently I'm a serial killer.

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Speaker 2: Just chunks of ice floating as somebody behind you.

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Speaker 3: That is total serial killer behavior.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's water. It's water, right, It's not water instantly.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't turn into water the instant you've chucked out

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Speaker 3: Oh, Mike, this is a shocking.

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Speaker 1: But like my question to you is has this just

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Speaker 2: It happens constantly because I lived near New Jersey, and

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Speaker 2: It happens all the time. But I also I took

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Speaker 2: to clean your windshield at that velocity. Because I had

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Speaker 3: But you know, I pulled.

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Speaker 2: Over and I went to a fucking gas station and

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Speaker 2: I hosed it down. I did a real.

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Speaker 3: Quick, you know quickie Wait.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it did a little pit crew move this zip in,

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Speaker 2: get some gas, wipe the fucking bugs off, and then

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Speaker 2: does is smear them around. Ye So you're literally not

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Speaker 2: behind you.

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Speaker 1: Okay, now that you put it that way, I understand

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Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I do not understand chuck and I said

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Speaker 2: to your window like a fucking psychopath. I cannot return

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Speaker 2: the favor on this one. Oh shit, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: You live in at land, and maybe it melts faster.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it does turn to water instantly. But if it doesn't,

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Speaker 2: you're just chucking like like baseball sized hail pellets at

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not doing it when there's a lot

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Speaker 1: in my dash. I guess that's the reasoning.

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Speaker 3: So for you, it is self care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well listen, I got one right, We're off to go.

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Speaker 3: You said, ding ding ding.

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Speaker 2: Now this next one, I'm just gonna say it.

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Speaker 3: Serial killer or self care? Watching Chernobyl multiple times a year.

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is possibly the fucking easiest question I've ever

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Speaker 1: been asked, including what is your name? This is one

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Speaker 1: hundo percent self care for Daniel Henderson.

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Speaker 3: It's actually serial killer. No what then?

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Speaker 2: I think there's something wrong with me? I think there's

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Speaker 2: something wrong with me.

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Speaker 1: This is insane. This is insane.

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Speaker 2: Knew that was going to get you. I knew that

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Speaker 2: that was mean. Because I knew that one was gonna

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Speaker 2: get you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like we need a third

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Speaker 1: party to weigh in on the fucking this is insane.

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Speaker 1: There is I'm a absolutely no way I could have

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Speaker 1: gotten that wrong, and somehow I got it wrong.

447
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 2: Only because I've recently decided there's something very wrong with me.

448
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: Because not only do I watch Chernobyl multiple times a year,

449
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: I bought the book that the show was based on.

450
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,479
Speaker 2: I've got two more books about stories from Chernobyl from

451
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: people who were there. I am fucking obsessed with Chernobyl.

452
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,360
Speaker 2: I can't believe it happened. I cannot believe it happened.

453
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 2: And I remember when it happened, because I was fucking

454
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 2: alive when it happened. Yes, yes, I'm upset. There's something

455
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 2: wrong with me. There's something so wrong with me.

456
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 1: So you're telling me the reason why I got this

457
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 1: fucking question wrong just now is because you have in

458
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: your brain decided, oh wait, this isn't actually self care,

459
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: this is me being a serial killer. Yes, that we're

460
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: gonna have to We're gonna have to get We're gonna

461
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,960
Speaker 1: have to get like a replay of the game here

462
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 1: because this is.

463
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 3: Here's what I'll do.

464
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: I can throw you a bonus at the end to

465
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Speaker 2: make up for that, because was mean, Because normally that

466
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 2: would be the easiest self care of all time.

467
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 1: Yes, called it self care. I think you called it

468
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: self care. I should at least get half a point half.

469
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,159
Speaker 2: All Right, I'll give you half. I'll give you a

470
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 2: half a buzsting, a buzz ding.

471
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 1: A buzz Okay, we're gonna have to do a buzz

472
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: ding on that one. Oh my god, all.

473
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: Right, serial killer or self care? Those freaky quiz nose Weasels.

474
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 4: Which I have subsequently watched like seven hundred times to.

475
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 1: Add for that, I was like, oh, after we mentioned it,

476
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 1: after I broke my brain laughing about the Weasels thing,

477
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I gotta go watch this sing

478
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: one hundred times.

479
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 3: Go listen to our last bonus. If you don't ye

480
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 3: get that question, listen to the lessons.

481
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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like I feel like I can,

482
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Speaker 1: with some sort of confidence, say you're you're gonna say

483
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: serial killer on those.

484
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, okay, oh yeah, Oh my god, Redemption, Who what

485
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: brain thought of that? And what are they doing now?

486
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: And are they at large in society?

487
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: If you were the ad genius that came up with

488
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: the quiz nosweasels, you can just email us at a

489
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: saw what you did pot at gmail dot com. We

490
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 1: will answer. Maybe you can come on the podcast and

491
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: tell us what you were thinking with that shit, tell

492
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: us what they are.

493
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 3: Let's start there. What are they?

494
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: Let's just start right there. The fuck are those things?

495
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: Oh my god?

496
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: How did you convince Mark? How did you convince a

497
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 2: business full of marketing executives to do this? Because I've

498
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: talked to marketing executives before as part of my own job,

499
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 2: and I'm curious.

500
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 3: As to how that got through.

501
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 2: Who said, yeah, let's go for this, this is the

502
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 2: sandwich thing we want.

503
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 1: It was a wild era. It feels like there was

504
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: a lot of experimentation back in that day. Like wasn't

505
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: that like Geico Caveman stuff happening around the same time,

506
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: really chunking out some weird shit back then.

507
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 2: Oh lord, well I gotta know about them freaky weasels.

508
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,720
Speaker 1: All right, So I've got two and a half right soon.

509
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 2: And a half, Yeah, all right, serial killer or self

510
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 2: Care justin Timberlake memes, Oh.

511
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 1: Just in Timberlake memes self Care.

512
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I don't know why it's rocking my summer. I

513
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 2: know it happened a while ago. I know, however, says,

514
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: I know it's sad because he got the rest of

515
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: her to do. It is rocking my world to see

516
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: what you guys are all doing with this information.

517
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: Listen, Honestly, the one that is absolutely genius is like whoever,

518
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I guess. It's like the one where he's on stage

519
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: and he's doing like some beatbox shit and then it

520
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: cuts to Britney spears in the crowd. That's just like,

521
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: I can't believe I dated this motherfucker. And it's like

522
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: the caption is like when you see your axe and

523
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: now you realize why he's your ax kind of thing. Oh.

524
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: I love I love them all. I love them all.

525
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: I love that as part of Britney's redemption arc. I

526
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: love I just love the It's gonna ruin the tour?

527
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 2: What tour, World tour, the world tour. I love seeing

528
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: what you put that phrasing over. It's just it brightens

529
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: my day every time I log on Instagram.

530
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, self, girls, I'm happy you said that

531
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: because I.

532
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: Feel like that's true for me as well. Oh good,

533
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 2: So ere three and a half. Three and a half

534
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: and it should be.

535
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: Four, but it's three and a half.

536
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you fucking.

537
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: I changed well because I think there's something I think

538
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm mentally ill about Chernobyl.

539
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not wrong, by the way, but I'm.

540
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 2: Just saying like I'm specifically mentally ill about Chernobyl.

541
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what to do about that.

542
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: I don't believe it happened. It was fucking crazy, all right,

543
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 2: I'll move on.

544
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: I support your weird passion, though, Listen, I still thought

545
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: that shit, it's wild.

546
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,959
Speaker 2: It's wild. And then you can go oh okay, one

547
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: more thing we'll say about Trinable. You can go online

548
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: and look at pictures of people who have gone back

549
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: recently because you're not supposed to go there, yeah, for

550
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: hundreds of years, like it will be contaminated forever. But

551
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: people go there and like take pictures of all the

552
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: buildings and like everything being overgrown and the playgrounds and it's.

553
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 3: I can't believe it happened.

554
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: Okay, final question, Okay, final question.

555
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: Serial killer or self care? Creating the game serial killer

556
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: or self Care?

557
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: That is your creation. I'm gonna say serial killer.

558
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 2: I think so.

559
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 3: I think so, But in this way, I was gonna

560
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 3: give it to you whatever you said.

561
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: I just want to know what you think.

562
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 5: That is so meta, dude.

563
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 2: Four and a half two five and a half. We

564
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: will take it to the people to respond about whether

565
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: or not that Chernobyl question was mean.

566
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: Please weigh in on my side for once. Normally they

567
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: side with you all the time.

568
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: They have.

569
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 3: We have never presented them this kind of conflict.

570
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: But even still, with even the conflicts that aren't conflicts

571
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: that we've had on this podcast, they always weigh on

572
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: your side. They're like, oh yeah, Daniel's right, you should

573
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 1: not stand hot people. What the fuck?

574
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: Because I bring the most mentally ill suggestions to this buck,

575
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: normal people who have regular brains and lives don't respond

576
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: to my insanity. I present wild shit that people can't

577
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: help but be like, oh no.

578
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: Let me think about that, and that's what it's like.

579
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: To live in my head.

580
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.

581
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think we should get to the movies.

582
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: Let's go before I miss any more.

583
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: Half questions, should Millie get the half point?

584
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: Weigh in on social media tomorrow?

585
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: Yes, go to our post tomorrow and defend me. People

586
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: defend me? All right? This theme is real fun for

587
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: the summertime. Wouldn't you say, oh yeah, oh yeah, this

588
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: was your crash? Am I right about that?

589
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 2: I think? So?

590
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, why don't you talk about it? What is our

591
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: theme for this week?

592
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: So?

593
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: Our theme this.

594
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 2: Week is the dark side of the music industry. And

595
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: I came to it just thinking about music I listened

596
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 2: to and kind of docs I've watched, and movies about musicians,

597
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: and just looking at the state of music now. I

598
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 2: was just kind of thinking about, like what is you know,

599
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: there's so many different possible dark sides of the music industry.

600
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: And I thought it'd be fun to kind of talk

601
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Speaker 3: about it.

602
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: I mean, you're what former DJ. Music is heavily a

603
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: part of your life.

604
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I almost went it to the music industry. I

605
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: think we've talked about that.

606
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Yes, because radio dj, like you've done it all.

607
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 1: When I graduated undergrad in the early two thousands, I

608
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: was working as a DJ at my college radio station.

609
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I was also a music director at my college radio station,

610
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: and for those that don't know. The radio station that

611
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: I worked at here in Atlanta was very powerful. It

612
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: was a very powerful signal, and that's kind of rare

613
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: I think in college radio. Needless to say, being a

614
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: music director at this radio station meant that the industry

615
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: paid attention to us what we were playing. So, you know,

616
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 1: when I was a music director, I used to go

617
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: to CMJ every year, the College Music Conference in New York,

618
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: and I got to go to all these like cool

619
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: parties and I used to get free records. I got

620
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: to see the Cure at this like incredibly small place

621
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: in Atlanta. They played like many twenty years ago. It

622
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: was like this nightclub. Basically got to see the Cure

623
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: and like you know, it was like sold out within

624
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: two seconds, but I got to go for free. I

625
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: mean I was like basically like feeling like I was

626
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: part of the music business even though I was like

627
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: twenty one or something. So naturally, when I graduated, I

628
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I want to like go into the business.

629
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: And you know, i'd actually, you know, heard from some

630
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: of some of the people that I worked with and

631
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: they were like, oh, yeah, when you graduate, you should

632
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: come up to New York and work for a record

633
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: label and this and that. But then Napster happened. Oh,

634
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: basically ruined the music business forever.

635
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: And you and Lars ulrich ate and it die.

636
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: We're still like, what averdre our business?

637
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: You're not entirely wrong, but also you know, it's been

638
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: twenty five years, we've adjusted to streaming music, we haven't

639
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: paid artists normally.

640
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 3: Ever again, that's we're fucking sure.

641
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

642
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's not fully recovered from those days. I

643
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: would say, perhaps, but anyway, it's but that was like

644
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,479
Speaker 1: truly what I thought was gonna happen. Like I thought, Oh,

645
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna graduate college and then I'm going to move

646
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: to New York and work for in the music industry.

647
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: And I'd feel like, now that was a blessing in disguise,

648
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: because you know it's in shambles, but also the entertainment

649
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: businesses in shamples too, So whatever, like my life sucked anyway.

650
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: Weirdly enough, the internet is a bad idea. I know

651
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 2: you're listening to this on the Internet, but I think

652
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: we can finally say, especially in the wake of like

653
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: the Surgeon General saying that there should be a warnings

654
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: on health warnings on social media. I think we can

655
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 2: agree that the Internet is a bad idea. Maybe I'll

656
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: modify it. The Internet was a good idea and then.

657
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 3: We gave it to people.

658
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: Yes, is a bad, failed fucking experiment. Okay, that's rough

659
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: the board.

660
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: Ye yeah yeah, well but like to that point, I mean,

661
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: the music industry is so crazy, and like it still

662
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: is to this day. But yeah, I think wanting to

663
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: see movies about this are really fun because there's obviously

664
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: really dark ones, but then there's ones that are just

665
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: kind of funny, Like I'd say, my my movie is

666
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: like totally outrageous.

667
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: Like your movie might be the wildest thing you've ever

668
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: bought to this this podcast.

669
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: Well, and the funny thing is too, is that I

670
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: was so convinced for some reason that we had already

671
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: done it that I woke up this morning and was like,

672
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: oh shit, have we done this movie before? And then

673
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: I looked at our you know, our Google sheet or whatever,

674
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, we haven't. But I mean,

675
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: I've written about this movie for the book, so like

676
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm very invested and and I'll talk about it when

677
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: I get into my movie, but I haven't seen your

678
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: movie since it.

679
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: Came out really.

680
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it has been a very long time, so.

681
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: Oh my, And it's been over twenty years.

682
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, over twenty years. And I remember when it came out,

683
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 1: it was such a sensation, like I remember, everybody I

684
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: know was talking about it.

685
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 3: So yeah, oh I can't.

686
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: I also have some backstory about why I'm so into

687
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 2: the movie that I brought this week when we get

688
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: to it. But you are going first, Oh yeah, I

689
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: got some question.

690
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna maybe not answering for you. I don't

691
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: really know.

692
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: I've only ever seen this movie once before. Yeah, so,

693
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 2: but I cannot wait to talk about it.

694
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, let's go. Okay, So my movie for the

695
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: theme the Dark Side of the Music Industry is from

696
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy. It was a movie that was written by

697
00:34:55,400 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert and it was directed by Russ Meyer, and

698
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: it's called Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

699
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: What would we be today? With that's the great seaman?

700
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: Without man?

701
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: Where would anyone be?

702
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: For that matter? So you know, sometimes I think to

703
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: the present, So.

704
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: Where do we begin? Where did he even start?

705
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: I always let's start here.

706
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: I always forget that Roger Ebert wrote this.

707
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 1: I know it is possibly one of the greatest facts

708
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: in movie history, to be honest. Yeah, it's I will

709
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 1: get into it a little bit in just a second

710
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 1: because it's it's really interesting. I actually have a good

711
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: quote from him from his autobiography about it. So I

712
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: want to talk about russ Meyer because I don't think

713
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: we've ever talked about him on the podcast or very

714
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 1: important for me personally. So russ Meyer is a director

715
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: that I would say is an absolute legend and cult

716
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: movie circles. Right. A little bit of backstory. He's American.

717
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: He was a photographer in World War Two, and after

718
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: his sur he came and you know, was basically doing

719
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: his own photography. He shot I think, very early days

720
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: Playboy like he like maybe the even the first like

721
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: ten issues or something like that. So he's a very

722
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: early Playboy photographer. And then eventually he started making movies

723
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,360
Speaker 1: and he was known for this very particular type of film.

724
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: If you know him, you know what I'm talking about

725
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: is basically they called it in the day, they called

726
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: it a Nudi or a Nudi cutie, and it's essentially

727
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: TNA movies from the nineteen sixties, right, So at this time,

728
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: you know, I guess in this in the early sixties especially,

729
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: we were still under kind of a production code, and

730
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 1: you know, he was making like you know, there's a

731
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: lot of history about this if you want to look

732
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: it up, because you know, Doris Wishman is part of

733
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: this tradition, and like you know, it's essentially like topless

734
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: women like fighting An used to put a topless woman

735
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: in a movie, and it's usually a newdis camp or

736
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, like some other scenario where somebody has to

737
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: be topless. And this was kind of the titillating thing

738
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: to watch. If you were growing up in the sixties,

739
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: you're like, this is your porn I suppose your porn hub.

740
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: But the thing about Russ Meyer to me and this

741
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: is this, this is exactly why I like him. But

742
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: also what he's known for is that he loved giant breasts. Okay,

743
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: let's just put it out there.

744
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: He was let's not skirt around the issue.

745
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: Not skirt around the issue at all. In my mind,

746
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: he was the last of the great American titmen. Gotta

747
00:37:52,560 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: say it like he's good. All of his movies for

748
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the most part, Actually, yes, I think all of those

749
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: movies featured women with giant breasts. Now, before you spin

750
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: out about this, if you don't know who he is,

751
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: I will tell you that this is a positive for me.

752
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: And I gotta say russ Meyer as a director pretty

753
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: much changed my life. And I'm not joking about that

754
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: really one hundred percent. Because when I was a freshman

755
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: in college and I was starting out film school, one

756
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: of my professors screen a movie of his that's called

757
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: Faster Pussycat Kill Killed Right, And it's probably russ Meyer's

758
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: most famous movie besides maybe this one, besides Beyond the

759
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: Valley of the Dolls. But it I'm not joking. This

760
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: movie completely rewired my brain. Okay, Like, if you've not

761
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: seen it, it's basically a movie about a gang of

762
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: women who escape their go go dancer jobs to drive

763
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: muscle cars through the desert while alternately having sex with

764
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: and then beating up men.

765
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 3: Okay, this is how I got radicalized.

766
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: This is my radicalization point for sure. And not to mention,

767
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 1: the head of the gang was half Asian.

768
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, a Asian if you will, as the kids

769
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: call it Waesian, which I don't know what is the

770
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 2: wah in Wisian white, but it's not always white.

771
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: That's what I don't get. Yeah, I don't. I again,

772
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if I'm adopting this slang.

773
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because they're speaking specifically about like,

774
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, half white, half Asian, or if it's like

775
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: a European because I'm technically Eurasian because my dad is

776
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 1: from Italy. So I don't know what the distinction is.

777
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree, there's a lot of different types

778
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: of half Asian. And when I was growing up, I

779
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: heard it called happa, which is half so but in

780
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: that context, you could be half of anything. So Quasian

781
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: to me is I don't know TVD on what I

782
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: think about that.

783
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: But anyway, well, we'll do a bonus on it. We'll

784
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 3: do bonus.

785
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: We'll do a bonus. But I'm telling you, as an

786
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: eighteen year old who had never seen anything like this before,

787
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 1: here's this half Asian woman who has giant boobs and

788
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 1: a giant ass, and she's got like these little black

789
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: driving gloves and she's got a switchblade and she's like

790
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: talking shit, And it was like I had never seen

791
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: a woman who kind of like looked like me do

792
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: anything like that before, Right, in a movie. You know,

793
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: it was like an inspiration for me truly. And but

794
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: that's the thing is that subsequently after seeing this movie,

795
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 1: that's what set me off into the whole of like

796
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: exploitation movies, which is basically my career this point. So

797
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I really have to thank russ Meyer for that.

798
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: To be honest, it's beautiful. Yeah, I listen. I mean

799
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: it's uh, I don't know. I mean, I I know

800
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: that there's we all go backwards into time and like

801
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: look at old movies and you're like, was that weird?

802
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: But I think that like his catalog is really interesting.

803
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, he has making he's making

804
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: these like topless women films. He's obviously like celebrating big boobs, right,

805
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: like a very a very outwardly and he's and he's

806
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: a man, come on, put you put two and two together.

807
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: But I argue that his movies actually have a very

808
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: distinct style. They're crafted very well. I mean, he was

809
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: a photography He knows how to set up a shot, right.

810
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 1: He also just knowing a little bit about him personally,

811
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: I mean, he loved silent movies. He used a lot

812
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: of kind of like you know, really classic Hollywood film

813
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: techniques and his movies. I mean, they always had a

814
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: story like or some semblance of a story, and they

815
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: were actually kind of funny. A lot of them have

816
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: a lot of jokes in them, which you know, for

817
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: a t and a movie, it's like, you know, that's

818
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: pretty good, I would say.

819
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: And there's a narrative. Give him an award.

820
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the thing he said. I really don't.

821
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: For the most part, I don't. I am not schemed

822
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: out by his movies. Like in fact, I actually think

823
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: that russ Meyer worships women.

824
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree, because in.

825
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: These movies, including the one we're about to talk about,

826
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: these women have agency, they have power, They claim their

827
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 1: own sexuality, which is very bold, you know. And I

828
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: think that russ Meyer really it seems to me that

829
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: he was happy to kind of take a back seat

830
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: to like all of these men. These are like vibrant

831
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: women with powerful bodies, owning their sexuality, talking shit to men,

832
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 1: stagging men in the desert, killing men. I don't know,

833
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, It's not like I

834
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: do not feel weird about that as a woman watching

835
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,240
Speaker 1: these movies.

836
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: I just don't either. I don't either I gotta say,

837
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: I am that.

838
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of also good to remember that this

839
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: is a point in time where Twiggy, the model Twiggy

840
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 2: was the standard so to present women who had different

841
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 2: bodies and powerful bodies, and like it was pretty revolutionary

842
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 2: at the time.

843
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's got women of color in his films.

844
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Like it's like to me, I don't know. I mean, like,

845
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: I will say that I'm a huge fan of his

846
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: and I remember being in college actually and when you

847
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: used to get the you know, cause he basically released

848
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: all of his own films. Beyond the Valley of the

849
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: Dolls was the first and only studio film that he made.

850
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: Actually we'll get to that in just a second, but

851
00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: he used to get the VHS boxes and you would see, like,

852
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, what is it, RM International or whatever his

853
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 1: company was called, with like an address and a phone number,

854
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: and that was the phone number to his fucking house.

855
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 3: Damn.

856
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: I remember my college roommate called that number, and damn

857
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: it was his house. So this is a guy that's

858
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: making his own stuff, you know, but it was very

859
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: directly his you know. Anyway, So just to give a

860
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: little bit of background about this, because I know that

861
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: people have gotten confused about this, so this is technically

862
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: not a sequel to Valley of the Dolls from nineteen

863
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: sixty seven, you know, with Patty Duke and Sharon Tate

864
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 1: right the Jacqueline Susanne Valley of the Dolls, I think

865
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: at some point, so from what I understand, essentially, when

866
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: Value of the Dolls came out, you know, it was

867
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: seen as like just this like lurried like crazy, you know,

868
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: uh in that movie is also about the entertainment industry,

869
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: and they wanted to make a sequel at some point,

870
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: but then Easy Rider had happened, So it was this

871
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: kind of thing where like Valley of the Dolls was

872
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: still kind of a product of like old school Hollywood filmmaking,

873
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 1: so that when they decided to maybe try for a sequel,

874
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 1: they were like, is the writer came out, we got

875
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: to go find like an outsider, because now that was

876
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: what Hollywood was really interested in, is that they were like, well,

877
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: now we've got to go find all these weird hippies

878
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: to make all these movies because it makes money and

879
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: that's what the public wants. So that's essentially the whole

880
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: reason why russ Meyer even got an opportunity to make

881
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: a studio film because he was in this like weird

882
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: pocket of time in Hollywood where they were letting neody

883
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: cutie guys make feature length films with a lot of money.

884
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: Yep. So like bring us a weirdo. We need one

885
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: weirdo per studio, that's right.

886
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: And at the same time, you know, russ Meyer had

887
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: befriended Roger Ebert, who was a film critic, and he

888
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: actually took a leave of absence to write the film

889
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: and they kind of like collaborated on the story together.

890
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, this was like Roger Ebert's script. I mean,

891
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: it's kind of amazing. And in his autobiography Roger Ebert,

892
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: this is a quote, by the way, from his autobiography,

893
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 1: he wrote he kind of talked about the task of

894
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: writing Beyond the Valley of the Dolls, and he says, quote,

895
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: the movie should be simultaneously a satire, a serious melodrama,

896
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: a rock musical, a comedy, a violent exploitation picture, a

897
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: skin flick, and a moralistic expose of what the opening

898
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: crawl calls the oft times nightmarish world of show business.

899
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 2: See that's why you can't let critics write scripts. That's wild, youn't.

900
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I love Roger Ebert in general, but you

901
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: haven't way too much into that shit.

902
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: Well, and like we will talk about the language in

903
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: this movie, especially as it pertains to one character in particular.

904
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: It's wild this movie. Okay, first of all, I will

905
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: say about it at the very beginning. It is so

906
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: much of its time completely. It is so psychedelic to

907
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 1: the point where it's funny.

908
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: Right, It's funny completely.

909
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 2: It is truly of its time. Yeah, in language, in

910
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 2: clothing and everything.

911
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Oh.

912
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: Just and that scene, like you know, the kind of

913
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: psychedelic scene.

914
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: It's yes, wonderful.

915
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,439
Speaker 1: There's so much cutting in this movie. Like I read

916
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: that there was so so many edits that were made

917
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: in this film because you're you're supposed to feel like

918
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: you're on acid. I suppose it's just so.

919
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 2: It worked. It worked, Yeah, it worked. I've never done acid,

920
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: but I felt like I was on acid when I

921
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 2: was watching it.

922
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: It's pretty nuts. So, like there's an obvious, extremely provocative

923
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: visual style, right, and then you have this story. So

924
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: the story is set actually about this girl group who

925
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: are kind of like Josie and the Pussycats. I guess

926
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: almost I mean, they've got like the look to trio.

927
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: Their names are Kelly, Casey, and Petronella. Okay, all three

928
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: of these women who are starring in this film had

929
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 1: done you know, modeling, and you know some of them

930
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: were Playboy models. As you can imagine, they all have

931
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: giant boobs. So there's that fact. And the band that

932
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: they're in is called the Kelly Affair. And when the

933
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie starts, actually the beginning of the

934
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: movie is wild because there's all this shit happening and

935
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: you have no idea what's happening, and then you're like,

936
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: is this a thing that might inform something later? I

937
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: don't know, why is this happening? So already you're kind

938
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: of disoriented timeline wise, But the beginning of the movie

939
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: is them. They're playing like a high school prom, like

940
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: they're kind of like a local band toiling at the

941
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: beginning of the movie. They have this manager named Harris,

942
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: who is maybe like a Paul Rudd prototype. I don't

943
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 1: really know how to describe him, nineteen seventies Paul Rudd.

944
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: So that's their manager, and he's also involved with Kelly,

945
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 1: the lead singer of The Kelly Affair. Okay. So at

946
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, they're like, Okay, we're tired

947
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: of playing these like little RinkyDink shows. Why don't we

948
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: go to La? I have you know, Kelly says that

949
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: she has this aunt, Susan, who's like this rich, cool

950
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: lady in La. So let's go to La. So they

951
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: drive to La and there's that sequence that you're talking

952
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: about where it's like kind of like psychedelic poetry, but

953
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: there's all these really great shots of La, like old La. Yeah,

954
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: which is kind of cool.

955
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you a question that I thought of

956
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: when I was watching it this time, because I think

957
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: we both grew up in a time in the nineties

958
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: where we were sort of obsessed with the sixties or

959
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 2: elements of the sixties.

960
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think you.

961
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:09,760
Speaker 2: Actually would have been able to live in the sixties?

962
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I don't know.

963
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 2: Probably, I think I would have been furious or dead.

964
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I gotta be honest with you.

965
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 2: I would have been annoyed by everything or dead.

966
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: If I, as a young person, I was so interested

967
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: in political revolution without knowing what that meant. But I

968
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 1: would easily have joined a cult. No, questions asked, like

969
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: I would have been that person. I'm not saying I'd

970
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: be a Manson girl, but I would. I might have

971
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: been in the Symbionese Liberation Army. I don't know.

972
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,879
Speaker 2: You could have been in Synanon easily. They were doing

973
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 2: some good shit at the beginning.

974
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: The Weather Underground, Who the fuck knows. I would have

975
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: been something.

976
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 2: I think I could have been recruited into Weather Underground

977
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: for sure.

978
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would have been mad.

979
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying I would be like a famous member,

980
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: but I'd be like hanging out at the house for sure.

981
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 1: Because I just was like I at that time as

982
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: a young person, I was so interested in Like I said,

983
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: I was very like I loved counterculture so much, and

984
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: I was also interested in community, and I wanted to

985
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: know people who liked the things that I liked and

986
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: believed the things that I believed. So yeah, I would

987
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: have been doing that shit all day long.

988
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: I think you would have rocked it.

989
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: I think you would have been in a cult. You

990
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: would have been at like a music manager or a DJ.

991
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: I think you would have had some like some like

992
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 2: Vivian Westwood style clothing store at some point I think

993
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: you would have done it all.

994
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that. I mean, honestly, I was

995
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: only thinking I'd be like one of the chunky girls

996
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: that hangs out at Spawn ranch, like in one of

997
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: the houses, who nobody knows who I am, but either

998
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: they call me like fucking Azalea or some shit, but

999
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: they don't really know me. I joined late. I wasn't

1000
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: an OG member, a.

1001
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: Joy Delay.

1002
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't like as cool as all the others.

1003
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: I was just some.

1004
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: Some follower, you know. So thank you for saying that.

1005
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: I mean, that sounds cool.

1006
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: I think it would have been a fucking boss. I

1007
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: think you would have been a boss.

1008
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: I think I would have been in the background of everything,

1009
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: smoking a cigarette, scowling and just looking to fuck shit up.

1010
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a great question, actually.

1011
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 2: Right, because as much as we venerated the sixties, when

1012
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 2: I actually have been able to have been there with

1013
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: my current like, with my present mentality, I'm like, no,

1014
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I would not have benefited from the free

1015
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 2: love because I'd be like, where's your dick been? Like

1016
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: I'm yeah, again, my present day person like I can't,

1017
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: but it was different back then. Well, I don't do drugs,

1018
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: Like I don't do drugs, so I don't. Wouldn't it

1019
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 2: benefited from any of that shit?

1020
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's I think crucial. And also I will

1021
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: say that anytime I have read things about the Manson

1022
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: family and about how they loved back then, they were dirty.

1023
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: They're like nasty, like smelly. I read something where they

1024
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: just like passed v D around to everybody in Hollywood,

1025
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: and it was like it was rough going for those folks,

1026
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I know us, we wouldn't have been

1027
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: able to hang or like, I shower and I have

1028
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: to put shoes on. I'm not walking around barefoot, no way. No.

1029
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 2: I love that your concept of the sixties is immediately Manson,

1030
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 2: immediately like I'm not I want to take a shower

1031
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: and wear shoes like people did that. Outside of Charles Manson,

1032
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 2: you could have just been someone living in Hollywood shower

1033
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: to wearing shoes.

1034
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: Vivian Westwood was wearing shoes, is what you're saying.

1035
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: We'reing skirts everything, doing it up. But yeah, I get

1036
00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: but I get you. Like it was a real gross time, yeah,

1037
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: which is its own countercultural thing. But just in my

1038
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: present day mind, could not have survived it.

1039
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: We couldn't have gone full hippie for sure. Yeah, I don't

1040
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: think so. Yeah, I don't think so. Same. I would

1041
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: have been kind of a sort of poser, let's get honest.

1042
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, or just like I would have been more like

1043
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: the turtleneck wearing beret wearing.

1044
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 3: Like really politically.

1045
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: I like to think I would have been very politically

1046
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: motivated and skipped all the parties and all the shit.

1047
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, I like that for you. So, okay, here's

1048
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: the deal with Beyond the Valley of the Adults. So

1049
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: they go to La. Kelly quickly discovers that her aunt

1050
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 1: is loaded and that she stands to inherit a bunch

1051
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: of money that she didn't know her mom had or something.

1052
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: So there's that running thing in the film where it's

1053
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: basically like this fresh faced young rock and roll singer

1054
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,479
Speaker 1: shows up in La and immediately is like, yo, I'm rich.

1055
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: And then, of course you know Susan's lawyer, who's this

1056
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: total square porter. His name is Porter in the film.

1057
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 1: He wears like sock garters and shit. He's part of

1058
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: the old generation, if you know what I mean. And

1059
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: he's like, we're not giving this hippie your money, Susan, like,

1060
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: you need to be careful. This is Hollywood. There's you know,

1061
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 1: weirdos and freaks everywhere. So that's a central conflict in

1062
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: the film, among several. By the way, there is a

1063
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: lot going on in this movie, lots.

1064
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: Of characters, a lot.

1065
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: So part of the story is that they are in

1066
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: La Now and they immediately get taken to a party

1067
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: that's given by the legendary record producer Ronnie Zman Barzel.

1068
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: And this motherfucker right here is all I have to

1069
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: say about that. Several reasons. The guy that plays him

1070
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: is an absolute legend. I read his ame is John

1071
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,319
Speaker 1: Lazar z Man. Has this very distinctive look. He's got

1072
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: this kind of like Prince of Valiant thing going on.

1073
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,720
Speaker 1: So he's essentially supposed to be kind of like a

1074
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: Phil Specter meets Kim Falley meets like la King of

1075
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: the Nightlife guy. But his house is insane. He's got

1076
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 1: like Knights of the Round Table shit everywhere. And then

1077
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: he speaks in this very flowery Shakespearean cadence all the time.

1078
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 2: He sounds like he doesn't know who he's talking. He's

1079
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 2: just still out of touch.

1080
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's he's like on his own wavelength, but

1081
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,919
Speaker 1: he's he's thrown this wild party where there's people. It's

1082
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: like an assault of the senses, like people smoking grass, people,

1083
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: fucking people, old people, young people, gay people, straight people.

1084
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a ratata or something. You know,

1085
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: it's very, very like. And at one point, this is

1086
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: his famous classic line, he like he pans out and

1087
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,840
Speaker 1: it's like, this is my happening and it freaks me out.

1088
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 3: It breaks me out too, man, Glad you're with.

1089
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: Us, which I read somewhere that John Lazarre, the actor

1090
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: that plays a Z Man, is like, Uh, that's gonna

1091
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: be written on my tombstone and I hate it. No

1092
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: oh no.

1093
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: Oh, He's like, remember when I saved eighteen hundred cats

1094
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 2: and put him in a cat calony? No, no, tombstone

1095
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 2: is this is my party and it freaks me out?

1096
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 3: Is my scene? It freaks me out?

1097
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, And considering that Roger Ebert wrote that shit for

1098
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: him to say, he's probably like that motherfucker ruin my

1099
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: goddamn life and death. You ruined my death? Well, and

1100
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: so yeah, this is party also, it has to be said.

1101
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: The band The Strawberry alarm clock is playing and they're

1102
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: playing incense pep. So it's like just imagine this scene.

1103
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: You know, so goofy, so goofy. But then it's like,

1104
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: at some point the Kelly Fair gets on stage and

1105
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: then you know, z Man freaks out at his own

1106
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 1: freak out. He's like, oh my god, they're the best

1107
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: man I've ever seen. I'm changing their name to the

1108
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: Carrie Nations and I'm gonna make them famous and rich,

1109
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: and that's exactly what happens. So basically they become the

1110
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: the toast of la and then all these people start

1111
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: entering their orbit. So you've got this. You know, obviously

1112
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: you've got like Susan and her lawyer who's a fucking asshole.

1113
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:41,479
Speaker 1: But then you've got like this guy named Lance Rock,

1114
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: who you know, is like the hot actor of the day.

1115
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: He only sleeps with rich women, and he gets involved

1116
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: with Kelly at some point, which unfortunately means that Harris,

1117
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: their old manager, is out the door. Now that she's

1118
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: sleeping with the new actor, Harris devolves into a life

1119
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: of like pill popping, and then he sort of ends

1120
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: up running into the arms of this outrageous woman named

1121
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 1: Ashley Saint Ives, who is a porn star who drives

1122
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: a Rolls Royce. She loves banging out guys in her

1123
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: Rolls Rooice, by the way, loves.

1124
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: It to the point where she is like nagging other

1125
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: cars while she's fucking in the.

1126
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, can you focus a little bit, a

1127
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 3: little bit.

1128
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 1: She is one of my favorite characters in this movie

1129
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: because she is purely she does not think about anything

1130
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: but doing it period. And she's just like she's just

1131
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: like gy like every time she walks into a room

1132
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: or like stands around. You know, she might be at

1133
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: the grocery store just like gyrating, you know, like.

1134
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 3: She's wild in the fruitisle.

1135
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, shaken, She's like buying you know, crispecks, and she's

1136
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: just like got a little skimpy bikini bottom on, like fiber.

1137
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: Don't you just love fiber? Don't you just need it

1138
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: for your body in order to live?

1139
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 2: Being sexy seems exhausting to me, Yes, Like, I'm fine

1140
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 2: not being sexy because it seems like a fucking part

1141
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:31,200
Speaker 2: time job.

1142
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: It's a full time job with overtime for this woman exactly,

1143
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: it's exhausting. But then so Casey, who's in the Carrie Nations.

1144
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: She's kind of the like sensitive, quiet character. I think

1145
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:51,440
Speaker 1: she holds a flame for Kelly in a way, she's

1146
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: a lesbian. And then she ends up meeting this woman

1147
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: Rock's Hand, who is played by this woman Erica Gavin,

1148
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: who's been in many russ Meyer movies. And it's interesting

1149
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: because I had read that there was apparently a lesbian

1150
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: storyline in the original Valley of the Dolls that got

1151
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: taken out, and so I think, from what I understand,

1152
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: I think that russ Meyer and Roger Ebert wanted to

1153
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: put it back into the movie, even though this isn't

1154
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 1: a sequel, but you know what I mean, they felt

1155
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,160
Speaker 1: like they should put that in there, But then they

1156
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: just put a lot of other stuff in there too.

1157
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: So Petronella Danforth, who's the drummer for the Carrie Nations,

1158
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: she has her own story where, yeah, she ends up

1159
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 1: getting with this like heavyweight boxing champion named Randy Black,

1160
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: and like they have an affair, even though she kind

1161
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: of doesn't want to have the affair, but she does anyway.

1162
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: It's very confusing, but it's everyone's naked at certain points,

1163
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: and really the movie is just kind of this like

1164
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: psychedelic swirl of like sex and drugs and rock and roll,

1165
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: and then you know, of course that takes everyone down

1166
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: one by one. Each character loses their goddamn mind in

1167
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: this film because of their lifestyle and the ending of

1168
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,439
Speaker 1: the film, which I will not give away. I don't

1169
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:12,840
Speaker 1: even think I could put it into words to actually

1170
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 1: give it away. There's so much going on here.

1171
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 2: It is one after the other thing's going on, But

1172
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: go ahead.

1173
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: It is one of the wildest endings to a movie

1174
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my entire life. And they truly

1175
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: have left no thematic stone unturned. Like it's like anything

1176
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:40,439
Speaker 1: you can imagine happening in a movie happens in this movie.

1177
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: I do not want to ruin it.

1178
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 2: But there is so much happening, so much much happening.

1179
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: A lot of like controversial things happening too, which I

1180
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,920
Speaker 1: will say. You know, it's a movie from nineteen seventy,

1181
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of like weird jokes about.

1182
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: Thingss weird visual jokes that don't land until the very end.

1183
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: They don't land until the very end, you know, thematically

1184
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: kind of weird, you know some of it, but it's

1185
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: over the top. I'll wrap this up by saying, this

1186
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: is one of the most maximalists, over the top movies

1187
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my life. I think it's by design.

1188
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: I think what happened is Roger Ebert and Russ Meyer

1189
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: were like, we are literally never going to get Hollywood

1190
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: money ever again, so let's shoot our fucking shot.

1191
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: Let's go yep, and they made this classic.

1192
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: And that's why I like, I stand this movie so

1193
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: much because I'm just like, it's like, what happens when

1194
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: the people from the outside get a shot to come

1195
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: inside and they're like, we are taking it to the

1196
01:03:42,640 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: fucking limit people, And there's a respect that I have

1197
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: for that so completely.

1198
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 3: I agree.

1199
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: I think that it it's it weirdly, is so evocative

1200
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 2: of the past, but it's still there's parts of it

1201
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:01,439
Speaker 2: that are still revolutionary. Now, Like that's a weird way

1202
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 2: to to find something, but I think one of the

1203
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 2: one of the pathways to becoming a classic is that

1204
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 2: it's so far reaching and so future reaching that there

1205
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: are things about it that you can't even comprehend until later. Yeahely,

1206
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 2: but it's still so of its time, and it's it's

1207
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 2: a wild, wild watch.

1208
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you haven't seen it, I would suggest like

1209
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: getting a bunch of people together and just like strapping

1210
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 1: the fuck in. I mean it is. It is a

1211
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: ride like you will never experience, and you know it

1212
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 1: is the dark side. It is truly. By the end

1213
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 1: of this movie, oh, it is the darkest side of

1214
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:41,640
Speaker 1: the music crisis you will ever see.

1215
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: There are many It's peppered with dark things along the way,

1216
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,080
Speaker 2: but then the ending you're like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm

1217
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 2: never going to the music industry ever.

1218
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am driving away from la and going back

1219
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: to Milwaukee or wherever the fuck I'm from. I'm done.

1220
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: Also, you want to know a fun fact about the

1221
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 2: Randy Black character.

1222
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1223
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: So the actor that plays him, James Eigelheart, has a

1224
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: son and his son who's James Monroe. Eigelheart played the

1225
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: Genie and the Broadway version and won a Tony Award

1226
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: for the Broadway version of Aladdin.

1227
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: WHOA, I didn't know that.

1228
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 3: That is his kid.

1229
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:34,320
Speaker 1: Wow, dude, that's incredible, right, Wow, what aldeage? What a lineage?

1230
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: Like my dad was shirtless in a movie from the

1231
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: nineteen seventies.

1232
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 3: Several movies.

1233
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna keep it moving in the dark side

1234
01:05:50,520 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: of the movie.

1235
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gonna say it's time.

1236
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 2: It's time, It is time, because my movie was released

1237
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one. Screenplay was written by John

1238
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 2: Cameron Mitchell, based on a play by John Carn Mitchell,

1239
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 2: and directed by John Cameron Mitchell. My movie is Headwig

1240
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: and the Angry Inch.

1241
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 3: When I think.

1242
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 2: About all the people I have come upon in my travers,

1243
01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 2: I have to think about the people who have come

1244
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: upon me.

1245
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:17,479
Speaker 3: Oh, I love this movie.

1246
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 2: So I have a little story before I get to

1247
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: the actual film. So yes, I love this movie truly.

1248
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 2: You know, I love a story about a misfit. And

1249
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 2: when I got divorced and moved back to New York

1250
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 2: on January first of twenty thirteen, like I landed New Year,

1251
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 2: knew me New City twenty thirteen, started freelancing. I was

1252
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 2: writing for a living. It was very I was broke.

1253
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 2: It was bare fucking bones, living in like a fourth

1254
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 2: floor walk up in Harlem.

1255
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 3: Just broke, just broke.

1256
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,959
Speaker 2: And about a year later I was doing a little

1257
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 2: bit better, but still same apartment pretty much, you know,

1258
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 2: waiting for checks for people all the time, because freelancers

1259
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: don't get paid in a normal way or on a

1260
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 2: normal schedule, and everyone thinks they don't have to pay

1261
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 2: us right away, and it's like a Net thirty or

1262
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:12,959
Speaker 2: NET sixty, and you just never know when you're gonna

1263
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: get a check, so just keeping it real slim all

1264
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 2: the time. So there was a Broadway revival or they

1265
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 2: turned Headwig my movie. They turned Headwig and the Angry

1266
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 2: Engine to a Broadway musical and brought it back in

1267
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 2: a big way. And in twenty fourteen, a friend of mine,

1268
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 2: who I am not gonna mention by name because he

1269
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 2: is known to all of you, was going through a

1270
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 2: very difficult breakup and was living in New York and

1271
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 2: got tickets to see Headwig and we went to the

1272
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 2: one with so Neil Patrick Harris was in it when

1273
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: it first started. Then I believe the one we saw

1274
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: was with Michael Hall, but I also saw it the

1275
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:09,439
Speaker 2: next year with Ty Diggs, or like the next time

1276
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,560
Speaker 2: it came out with Tay Diggs. But I think it

1277
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 2: was one with Michael Sea Hall because and he asked

1278
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: if I wanted to go, and I was like, yep,

1279
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: I have an unlimited Metro card and that's about it.

1280
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 3: Like he knew I was.

1281
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 2: Totally broke, and he's like, come with me to the show.

1282
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 2: It'll be fine, we'll get pizza or something like it'll

1283
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 2: it'll be okay. And he had great seats. So we're

1284
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 2: sitting in the near the nearest to the front, like

1285
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 2: maybe three rows back. And before the show starts, and

1286
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 2: he's again a wreck, just a wreck. Before the show starts,

1287
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 2: the couple in front of this guy in front of

1288
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 2: us turns his The woman he was with went to

1289
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: the bathroom, and he turned to us and said, this

1290
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,640
Speaker 2: is my partner's favorite musical and I am proposing to

1291
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: her tonight, and I'm going to propose to her during

1292
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 2: the last song Midnight Radio.

1293
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 3: If I hand you my phone, can you record?

1294
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: Like?

1295
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 2: Can you record it?

1296
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 3: And I was like fuck yeah.

1297
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: And my friend, who had just for a breakup, was like,

1298
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 2: I don't want any part of this.

1299
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, what's the worst thing you could tell me

1300
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: right now?

1301
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: Thanks exactly, And I was like, I am doing this.

1302
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 2: I was so fucking psyched. So we're watching one of

1303
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 2: my favorite movies, which is now a stage play, and

1304
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 2: the end is great, it's just wonderful and I'm loving it.

1305
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 2: And then the last song comes on and it's a

1306
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: very emotional song, and everyone is standing up and with

1307
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: their hands in the air because it's part of the song.

1308
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 2: And the guy hands me his phone and I look

1309
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 2: over to my left and my friend is full on weeping. Wow,

1310
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 2: like just broken down weeping, like looking at the stage crying.

1311
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: I start crying, and I'm like just so fucking overwhelmed

1312
01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: with the emotion of the show and my friend and

1313
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:02,880
Speaker 2: this fucking I literally don't know if I even got

1314
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,440
Speaker 2: the video because I'm like crying and holding it and shaking,

1315
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:08,719
Speaker 2: and like they're crying because they're engaged.

1316
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 3: He's crying because he just broke up. I'm crying because

1317
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, what is my life? I'm broken. I'm having this.

1318
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 2: Great experienceh it was fucking hilarious in retrospect.

1319
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:23,120
Speaker 3: Wow, but what a fucking night. So I went home

1320
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,400
Speaker 3: that night and I had.

1321
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 2: And I remember this so vividly because I find this

1322
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 2: movie so inspirational. I had twelve dollars and ninety three

1323
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 2: cents in my account, and I still bought this movie

1324
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 2: for seven.

1325
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 3: Ninety nine on Amazon.

1326
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 2: So I left myself with like four dollars to live

1327
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 2: on because I'm like, no, this movie is it, Like

1328
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,720
Speaker 2: this is gonna push me into an inspirational place, into

1329
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: a creative place. I have to watch this as much

1330
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: as possible. It has reminded me of what it was

1331
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: to be like wild and weird and creative and fun.

1332
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a night. What a night.

1333
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: I wonder if they're still married, did you ever find

1334
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 1: out like who they were?

1335
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 2: No idea?

1336
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 3: If you're listening, let me know if I got the video.

1337
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, wouldn't that be crazy if you

1338
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,760
Speaker 1: if you reconnected with them in some way?

1339
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:16,200
Speaker 3: It was?

1340
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 2: They were so sweet and then I'm like, my friend

1341
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 2: is so devastating.

1342
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 1: Did happen? Has come for your friend?

1343
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 2: Now? I have to know, No, didn't come for any

1344
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: of us, really, did it?

1345
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,800
Speaker 1: This is the dark side of the industry. My god.

1346
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 3: I think when I was witnessing that night was him

1347
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 3: giving up on love?

1348
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 1: Wow?

1349
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 3: Dark dark, I know, I know.

1350
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: But like two things coexisting at that same time.

1351
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, marriage.

1352
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 2: With dexter in like glitter spandex in front of you.

1353
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: And you'd be like, bitch, I can live off four dollars.

1354
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: I will find a way to live on four dollars.

1355
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 2: So I could watch Headwig as much as possible.

1356
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: That's such an epic story. But what a connection point

1357
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,759
Speaker 1: to this movie. You'll never forget, right.

1358
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 2: Right, We'll never forget. So I do love this film.

1359
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:19,520
Speaker 2: My one sentenced synopsis, which I actually forgot to write.

1360
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 1: I don't even think I said one, So there you go.

1361
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: You're better than me.

1362
01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 2: Excellent x. My one sentence synopsis of Hedwig is a

1363
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 2: radical gender career musician is fighting for the rights to

1364
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 2: the music that they wrote that has been stolen by

1365
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 2: a former partner. Good one, just bear Men's, Bear Men's

1366
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 2: with This is so the music in Headwig. Even though

1367
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: John Cameron Mitchell wrote the text of the film, the

1368
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: music is by Stephen Trask, and he does such a

1369
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: fucking great job because this is like as you as

1370
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 2: you go through the film, you realize that the character

1371
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 2: of Hedwig has so many musical influences, and I think

1372
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 2: that Stephen Trask really worked that into the songs, which

1373
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: is important because this is a musical and in true

1374
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 2: musical style, the songs tell most of the story. So

1375
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 2: it's a combination of songs and animation to kind of

1376
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: fill out the story, but they are crucial to understanding

1377
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 2: the characters. So I think he just knocked it out.

1378
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 2: John Cameron Mitchell is very interesting to me. First and foremost,

1379
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:22,840
Speaker 2: he's sixty one, which I can't believe.

1380
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: Somehow on my head, I can't believe that either, because

1381
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,280
Speaker 1: I think he's so he's like one of these he's

1382
01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,719
Speaker 1: one of these people that is going to be cute forever.

1383
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like.

1384
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: I just I don't get I don't get it. I mean, also, great,

1385
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: you're sixty one.

1386
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Yeah, but I just in my head can't

1387
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:42,519
Speaker 3: do it.

1388
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: I can't make the mental leap of I love him

1389
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: not being like in his twenties. But again, super creative

1390
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 2: is a writer, a director, a producers worked in stage,

1391
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 2: in screen. He's worked in film and TV. He's worked

1392
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 2: as an actor and a director.

1393
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 3: He's just done it all.

1394
01:13:59,720 --> 01:14:02,280
Speaker 2: And he came out at the age of twenty two.

1395
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 2: He came out as gay in twenty twenty two. He

1396
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: came out as non binary. But he still uses he

1397
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,639
Speaker 2: hymn pronouns, so I will use he hymn pronouns throughout.

1398
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 2: But he is just he He's so interesting and creative,

1399
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: and he has this background, like the character of Hedwig

1400
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 2: is kind of based loosely on his own background as

1401
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:22,320
Speaker 2: a military kid.

1402
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 3: He moved around a lot.

1403
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: As a kid, and he identifies as a radical fairy,

1404
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 2: which I think is fascinating as this group, oh yeah,

1405
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:35,640
Speaker 2: like this worldwide group of like countercultural queers and like

1406
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 2: they kind of are trying to redefined queer Consciousness's just

1407
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:40,520
Speaker 2: read about radical fairies if you haven't, They're fascinating.

1408
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:41,800
Speaker 3: But he just does so.

1409
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: Much and he provides so much, And I think that

1410
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 2: this was again just such a unique and singular movie

1411
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 2: that from the second it hit the scene, people were like,

1412
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: what is happening? And it's not explicitly drag, but there

1413
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 2: are drag elements. It's not explicitly it's not explicitly any

1414
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: one thing, but it brings in all of these elements

1415
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 2: to tell a full story. One thing that I will

1416
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: say and address because I think it's important to address now,

1417
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: you know, twenty three years later, is how the movie

1418
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 2: was conceived of then versus now has changed a little bit,

1419
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: not entirely, but I'm going to use John Cameron Mitchell's

1420
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 2: own words for this. So he did an interview with

1421
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 2: Indie Wire on the twentieth anniversary of Headwig. There was

1422
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:29,680
Speaker 2: a lot of he did a lot of press and

1423
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: he talked to Jude Dry and said the following, I've

1424
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 2: never thought of Headwig as trans because of the coercion,

1425
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: Mitchell said, Hansel the boy was quite comfortable being the

1426
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 2: feminine gay boy that he was. He was, in a

1427
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:47,479
Speaker 2: way forced into a kind of mutilation. There was no choice,

1428
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:48,520
Speaker 2: there was no agency.

1429
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: It was the.

1430
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,599
Speaker 2: Patriarchy saying you've got to do this to be married,

1431
01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 2: to get out, to be free. So to me, it

1432
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 2: was more of a statement about the biynarchy. He added,

1433
01:15:57,560 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 2: many trans, non binary, queer straight people have said it

1434
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 2: felt activating for them at a certain age. I've never

1435
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,400
Speaker 2: from people I've actually met, had any negative reaction because

1436
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 2: it's a freeing thing. So I just think it's important

1437
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,840
Speaker 2: to note that you know this as we talk about

1438
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,760
Speaker 2: the film. A lot of people don't know how to

1439
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,640
Speaker 2: talk about the film because Hedwig is not Hedwig is

1440
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 2: like a true gender queer character in a way. So

1441
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people don't know how to

1442
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:24,800
Speaker 2: talk about them because there is no real binary way

1443
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 2: to do it. But I liked reading what he had

1444
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 2: to say twenty years later about the importance of the

1445
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 2: character across the spectrum for many people, and that he's

1446
01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 2: never really received any negative reaction. I'm sure there are

1447
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,680
Speaker 2: negative reviews and people have since said negative things, but

1448
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 2: I just think it's important again to realize the timing

1449
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 2: of it when it was written, who was written by,

1450
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 2: and that it was actually a movie that most people

1451
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 2: in my life also consider quite a freeing, yeah, beautiful

1452
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 2: thing because it's a movie about love. It's a movie

1453
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:02,479
Speaker 2: about love and self love and discovery, and it truly

1454
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: blows me away, like just thinking of somebody like Headwig

1455
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: from Scratch is a highly creative endeavor, right, and Hedwig

1456
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: is someone who like lives in the margins.

1457
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 3: Right.

1458
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: So this the first song in the in the film

1459
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 2: explains why how how Hedwig kind of feels caught between

1460
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 2: you know, East and West, man and woman, all these

1461
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: different binaries. And we find out as the movie goes on.

1462
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 2: It's not told in a linear way, but we told

1463
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: we find out as Hedwig is kind of moving through

1464
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:37,040
Speaker 2: the world that Hedwig was originally a boy named Hansel

1465
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: in East Berlin. And it's kind of funny to me that,

1466
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,000
Speaker 2: as he's talking about the division of East and West Berlin,

1467
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 2: that his mother intentionally left West Berlin and moved to

1468
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 2: East Berlin.

1469
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like yeah, I was like, oh okay, And.

1470
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 2: You're like, this is a lot about Bob, this is

1471
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 2: a lot about mob.

1472
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just wild.

1473
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,679
Speaker 2: So he goes back to like kind of the age

1474
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:04,920
Speaker 2: of six, and his mother is talking to him about

1475
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 2: how it's better to be powerless as a response to communism,

1476
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 2: even though she did intentionally head east, and he kind

1477
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 2: of grew up listening to a lot of American Forces radio,

1478
01:18:13,560 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 2: so he listened to a lot of Lou Reed and

1479
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 2: Niggy Pop and Bowie and like, you know, these these

1480
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,520
Speaker 2: these musicians who were themselves playing with gender and sexuality.

1481
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 2: And you learn over the course of the film that

1482
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 2: Hedwig is really searching for her other half. So she's

1483
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,720
Speaker 2: part comedian, she's kind of a drag queen. She's kind

1484
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: of a borsch belt comedian, complete with rimshots and jokes

1485
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: and everything, and she's kind of looked, she's she's she's searching,

1486
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 2: He's searching for something. So what we find out is

1487
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: that when Hedwig was twenty six, Hansel was longing to

1488
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 2: get to West Berlin. He was sunning himself in this

1489
01:18:48,600 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 2: kind of bombed out crater and met an American gi

1490
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: named Luther Robinson, who at first thinks that Hansel is

1491
01:18:56,520 --> 01:19:01,400
Speaker 2: a girl, and Luther's into Hansel wants to marry him,

1492
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:06,559
Speaker 2: but they can't leave East Berlin as a gay couple.

1493
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 2: So the idea is presented that Hansel should take his

1494
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 2: mother's name, Headwig and get an operation to change his sex.

1495
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 2: The look on his face when his watching his mother

1496
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 2: and fiance discuss the fact that they think he should

1497
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,639
Speaker 2: get a sex change operation without his input is really wild.

1498
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,880
Speaker 2: Now to watch that cut and again, like John Cameron

1499
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 2: Mitchell and that quote that I read to talk, you're

1500
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 2: seeing someone not have agency but also longing to leave

1501
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 2: and having to make this ultimate compromise and his mother

1502
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 2: sanctions it. So the song Angry and tells the story

1503
01:19:53,640 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 2: of this botched operation and essentially leaves Hedwig in between queen.

1504
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:02,440
Speaker 3: Genders.

1505
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the angry inch is actually what Hedwig has

1506
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 2: to work with between her legs essentially.

1507
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1508
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,960
Speaker 3: Right, So she marries Luther.

1509
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 2: It works, She marries Luther, she goes to the US,

1510
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 2: They land in Kansas, and then Luther promptly leaves her

1511
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:28,600
Speaker 2: in a trailer and goes off with another guy. Yeah,

1512
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 2: so Hedwig stuck by herself in this trailer and then

1513
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 2: immediately finds out when she turns on the TV like

1514
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 2: moments after he walks out the door that the Berlin

1515
01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 2: Wall has fallen. So everything that she has been through

1516
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 2: to get to this point is kind of unnecessary because

1517
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: if she had waited just a little bit longer and

1518
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 2: no one could have foreseen it, But the Berlin Wall

1519
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 2: came down, I know. So while she's in this trailer,

1520
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 2: she meets this kid named Tommy Speck who eventually becomes

1521
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 2: Tommy Nosis while she's babysit for his family and doing

1522
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 2: some you know, light sex work on the side.

1523
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 3: And Tommy Noses.

1524
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:05,560
Speaker 2: Is the kind of kid with a battle axe in

1525
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,559
Speaker 2: his room and like a fish sticker on the back

1526
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: of his truck and it's just kind of a dweeby

1527
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:11,639
Speaker 2: and doesn't know shit about fuck.

1528
01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 3: But Hedwig is like, I am the shit, Like I

1529
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 3: know who I am.

1530
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 2: She's kind of like, you know, she's very creative, and

1531
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: she can sing well, and she's got this whole thing.

1532
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,040
Speaker 2: So he's kind of fascinated by her, and they embark

1533
01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:26,000
Speaker 2: on this relationship.

1534
01:21:26,479 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 3: So the movie.

1535
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: The crux of the movie happens later when Tommy Speck

1536
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:36,479
Speaker 2: has become Tommy Noss and you realize that Tommy stole

1537
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 2: every single original song that Hedwig wrote and became a

1538
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: fucking superstar, like is selling out stadiums left and right,

1539
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,599
Speaker 2: and Hedwig, in response, gets a manager played by the

1540
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: Goat Andrea Martin and decides she is going to play

1541
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,760
Speaker 2: her own songs, the same songs that he's singing on

1542
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 2: stage at a stadium. She is going to follow him

1543
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 2: around the country and sing them at any tiny club

1544
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 2: that will have her as a response. And she's also

1545
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: suing him, and this is kind of the the the

1546
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 2: impetus of the movies, like she wants her due, and

1547
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 2: she's traveling with this band. One of the members is Eatzac,

1548
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: her husband, played by Miriam Shore. Beautifully. Eat Zac kind

1549
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: of has their own trajectory where they're kind of like

1550
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: stuck between wanting to be fabulous but being forced to

1551
01:22:29,240 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 2: kind of be the second and to care for Hedwig.

1552
01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: So you can kind of see them trying on Hedwig's wigs,

1553
01:22:36,400 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 2: and as the story go on, you see how much

1554
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 2: they want to be a different present themselves differently, but

1555
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 2: Hedwig is actively denying it. And Hedwig, I gotta say

1556
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 2: Eatzac loves Hedwig and she completely abuses that attraction, and

1557
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: there are parts of the movie where Hedwig actually comes

1558
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: across as deeply cruel and unhappy with her bandmates and

1559
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 2: with her husband. So it's very interesting to watch that

1560
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 2: relationship as the movie develops, because at the end, the

1561
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 2: eat Sat character becomes crucial to a transformation or a

1562
01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:08,639
Speaker 2: redemption that happens with Hedwig.

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01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:10,320
Speaker 3: I also love.

1564
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 2: Seeing that the whole band sleeps in the same hotel

1565
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,759
Speaker 2: room and the room is filled to the fucking brim

1566
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:15,240
Speaker 2: with wigs.

1567
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,839
Speaker 1: I know, that's so fun on the rim.

1568
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 2: So Hedwig is watching Tommy on TV singing her songs

1569
01:23:22,000 --> 01:23:25,040
Speaker 2: and like again, is We're trying to figure out is

1570
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 2: she going to win this battle against the superstar? You know,

1571
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,200
Speaker 2: look at everything she's been through so far to get

1572
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 2: to this point. She's kind of owed this. And to me,

1573
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 2: the dark side of the music industry in this film

1574
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,080
Speaker 2: is not what personally happens to Hedwig. It's what Tommy

1575
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: does to Headwig, to take advantage of someone who is

1576
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 2: so marginalized and has no resources, has.

1577
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 3: No way to fight back.

1578
01:23:48,760 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: That to me is dark because I think that happens

1579
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,840
Speaker 2: a lot and I'm also thinking back to, like, you know,

1580
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: in the eighties, just really realizing that, you know, the

1581
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: C and C Music Factory put a very skinny young

1582
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 2: woman in their video, even though Martha Wash, this kind

1583
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 2: of larger, older woman, was the one who actually sang

1584
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: the lyrics like we're constantly being like the wole is

1585
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,759
Speaker 2: constantly being pulled over our eyes with the music industry

1586
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:16,760
Speaker 2: to present an idea of what they think we want. Yeah,

1587
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 2: and that's dark, it's fucking bleak.

1588
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: So it's also like heartbreaking the whole relationship between them,

1589
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: because I feel like Headwig is trying to make Tommy

1590
01:24:26,240 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: a better person.

1591
01:24:28,439 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 2: Yes, like actually instructing him in the world, and like,

1592
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 2: here's how to find things you like, here's how to

1593
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 2: find a personality, here's how to develop your brain. Because

1594
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 2: he just all he knows how to do is about

1595
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: Bible Verse right until he meets Headwig, and he's played

1596
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,519
Speaker 2: Tommy knows this is played by Michael Pitt, which, again

1597
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 2: great casting.

1598
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god. I was the first thing that

1599
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:57,120
Speaker 1: occurred to me when I saw this movie again was

1600
01:24:57,160 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 1: that this felt like the high Michael Pitt era. Yes,

1601
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:06,480
Speaker 1: do you remember, absolutely he was at everything everywhere, Yeah,

1602
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: every and was doing every He was everywhere and did

1603
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,120
Speaker 1: something different in every single movie or TV show, whatever

1604
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 1: he was doing. Yeah, I mean, I remember when he

1605
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,479
Speaker 1: was on Dawson's Creek, y'all. That's where I first saw it,

1606
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: Dawson's and then all of a sudden, he's in every movie.

1607
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 3: Come a long way, dude. But it is.

1608
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating relationship because again, you have this one

1609
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: character who's so desperate to search for love, knowing that

1610
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 2: it's going to be more.

1611
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 3: Difficult for them.

1612
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 2: Probably then they're not looking for a traditional relationship and

1613
01:25:37,240 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 2: they probably won't get one, but they have a husband

1614
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 2: that they actively don't really seem to want to be with,

1615
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 2: but are like settling for, and it's just it's a

1616
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 2: really I don't know. There's something about the interplay of

1617
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 2: how everyone in the film, all the main characters are

1618
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 2: looking for love or looking for something that resembles love,

1619
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:59,360
Speaker 2: that is just so fucking stunning to me. And it's

1620
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:03,719
Speaker 2: very subvert. Like, you know, Headwig is a subversive character

1621
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 2: and is actively subversive in the film by playing directly

1622
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: next to the stadium where this guy is stealing her

1623
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 2: songs and has a couple of fans who wear like

1624
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 2: these big cardboard wings that mimic her wig.

1625
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,480
Speaker 3: And like it's very subversive.

1626
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 2: Indeed, like plays things called the Mensies Festival. Like it's

1627
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 2: just like kind of hilarious to watch her go around America.

1628
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: And all the people that are in these like shitty

1629
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: restaurants are like so hilarious. They're just like old weird

1630
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: Americans that are like yes, what and they're like eating

1631
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:47,800
Speaker 1: their like fucking salad and they're just like gross. They're like, eh,

1632
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: what in the hell am I watching?

1633
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's just playing to like these old locals

1634
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 2: and small town and they're all they all don't get it,

1635
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 2: you know. But that's what I love about seeing the character.

1636
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 2: She doesn't give a shit. She is who she is

1637
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 2: everywhere she goes, and that takes fucking nerve, yeah, to

1638
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,719
Speaker 2: be that person. And that's kind of all I've ever

1639
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 2: wanted for myself, and I've actually in one of these

1640
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,799
Speaker 2: articles I read with John Cameron Mitchell, he said something similar,

1641
01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:17,320
Speaker 2: which is like, you know, I want to be the

1642
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 2: same person everywhere I go except for when I'm playing

1643
01:27:20,240 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 2: a character. And I think that that's something to aspire

1644
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 2: to that you can. It's a mark to me, a

1645
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,800
Speaker 2: mark of a life well led that you know who

1646
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,200
Speaker 2: you are and can express it. There's also a really

1647
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,520
Speaker 2: great interview with him at Art Publica about.

1648
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 3: Writing and directing Hedwig. But I just I don't know.

1649
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 3: There's something really.

1650
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: Like eternally interesting and completely fascinating and absolutely hilarious and

1651
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 2: completely heartbreaking about this.

1652
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 3: The whole thing is stunning.

1653
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm glad I got to see it again.

1654
01:27:57,200 --> 01:28:01,559
Speaker 1: I guess I forgot how I mean. It really is

1655
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:04,320
Speaker 1: like there's a narrative structure to the film, but it's

1656
01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 1: also like being woven through these like performances, and that

1657
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 1: is something that I think I forgot over the years,

1658
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:12,559
Speaker 1: was just like how embedded into that it's like a

1659
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 1: musical basically. Yeah, and it but it's really like sensory

1660
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of different things going on, like

1661
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: there's animation and like I mean, I it's kind of

1662
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: a special piece of art.

1663
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 3: I gotta say, Yeah, it is art.

1664
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: It is the very definition exploring all these different different

1665
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 2: It's presented in one medium, but it's present looking at

1666
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 2: all these different ways of using other mediums to be

1667
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 2: able to express a full story and kind of You know,

1668
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 2: there's a song called The Origin of Love that is

1669
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:47,000
Speaker 2: very much about you know, headwigs own ideas about how

1670
01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 2: people got to Earth, and that's based on I think

1671
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 2: it's not based on a myth by Plato, but he

1672
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 2: turned that into this kind of you know, John Cameron

1673
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 2: Mitchell turn this into this kind of song about searching

1674
01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 2: for a lot. It's just, it's fucking just it's unbelievably creative.

1675
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:06,360
Speaker 2: I don't know how else overwhelmingly and unbelievably creative and

1676
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:11,960
Speaker 2: very revolutionary. And I think, you know, presented a side

1677
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: of music that people don't engage in or don't know

1678
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,200
Speaker 2: about very often, or they know about when it's far

1679
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:20,479
Speaker 2: too late after you know, the world has had their

1680
01:29:20,520 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: way with a lot of musicians. And it's also spoke

1681
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 2: to something that at the time I think was also

1682
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 2: happening a lot, which is queer people, gay people were

1683
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: taking advantage of artistically in lots of different lots of

1684
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 2: different mediums, like just the theft of work was easier

1685
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: to do in the seventies and eighties, because what is

1686
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:48,560
Speaker 2: your recourse when you know that you will be vilified

1687
01:29:49,080 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: for who you are before you even get to defend

1688
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,080
Speaker 2: your actual work.

1689
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:55,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was like, oh wait, this is a

1690
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 1: story about a straight white guy co opting art from

1691
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: a marsh lies person. Huh wonder if that still happens.

1692
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 3: What have we heard that before anywhere?

1693
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Ever?

1694
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 2: So yeah, I just, I just I love it. It's

1695
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 2: a spectacle. It is fucking hilarious and makes It's another

1696
01:30:17,439 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: one of those movies.

1697
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:18,920
Speaker 1: Love it.

1698
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: I watch a movie about a misfit.

1699
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:23,439
Speaker 2: It happens every time where there's one point at the

1700
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 2: end that I start crying and I don't stop.

1701
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, I love it.

1702
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:31,800
Speaker 2: It's very special and still to this day, twenty three

1703
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,520
Speaker 2: years later, incredibly revolutionary.

1704
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad you picked it. Man. This week

1705
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: was so great. Both of these movies are so sensory,

1706
01:30:41,960 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: and they are kind of structured as musicals all because

1707
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: there's music happening in performance happening throughout the movie in

1708
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: between scenes. So yeah, that's a good pairing. Actually, I

1709
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 1: gotta say, let's pot ourselves on the back for this.

1710
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:58,120
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1711
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:03,360
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01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,639
Speaker 2: movies for next week? Oh?

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01:31:50,680 --> 01:31:54,000
Speaker 1: My god, I sure would so. The movies for next

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01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,639
Speaker 1: week's episode are The Fast and the Furious from two

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01:31:57,680 --> 01:32:03,320
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01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 3: Okay, strap in s trap up.

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Speaker 1: Fucking ah.

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Speaker 2: That's good homework. That's good homework.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Danielle, my very favorite serial killer. Always a pleasure

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Speaker 1: doing this podcast with you.

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Speaker 2: You too, my self care Guru.

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Speaker 1: Bye, everybody, Bye.

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Speaker 3: This has been an exactly right production. Our senior producer

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Speaker 3: is Casey O'Brien.

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Speaker 2: Episode mixing and theme music by Tom Bryfogel, artwork by

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01:32:43,040 --> 01:32:46,519
Speaker 2: Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hart, Start Caring,

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01:32:46,560 --> 01:32:49,080
Speaker 2: kil Garriff and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on

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01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: Instagram and Twitter at I Saw pod, and you can

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Speaker 2: email us at I Saw What you Did Pod at Gmail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah