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Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Let's get out and talk to Frank in

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Speaker 1: New Mexico eighty nine niece on CenTra Frank it's a classic.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Welcome to the radio home of Ron Andanian,

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Speaker 1: the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners the

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Speaker 1: world overturn to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: the phone and call in the garage doors are opened,

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Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight

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Speaker 1: five and now he's running. I just want to touch

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Speaker 1: real quick on a comment from Last Hours show previous

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Speaker 1: I don't think I hit the point hard enough. And

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Speaker 1: in case you missed it, the conversation was centered around

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Speaker 1: the fact that modern cars, newer cars, you know, all

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Speaker 1: the electronics that's in them. It was the conversation was

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Speaker 1: spurred by an OH five Mercury Montego that came into

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Speaker 1: Chrysler Health Cats, the charges, the challengers the Mustangs. If

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Speaker 1: it's got electronics in it and the electronics break, you're

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Speaker 1: the manufacturers, and the article was so dead on the money.

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Speaker 1: The article said, the manufacturers don't make the electronics in health.

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Speaker 1: They don't make much in house anymore anyway. And those

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Speaker 1: I just gotta go over this. There's a second article

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Speaker 1: I bet if I asked every one of you, how

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Speaker 1: long does the manufacturer have to make parts, a lot

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Speaker 1: of you would swear it's seven years, it's eight years,

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Speaker 1: it's ten years. The article in Hemmings this month says,

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Speaker 1: there's no real law on the books anywhere. It's they

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Speaker 1: It's that the manufacturer's discretion and that comes to us

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Speaker 1: the Outo Care Association, which represents order repair shops and retailers.

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Speaker 1: We feel it's that manufacturers discretion. It's got nothing to

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Speaker 1: Jean's driving something new in nineteen suber U. This should

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Speaker 1: me sorry, Jane, I had to throw that in there.

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Speaker 1: Torque steer would be that we'd wind up the axle

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Speaker 1: Also when you do this, you know, forty to sixty

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Speaker 1: And you would you would, Jean, I'm telling you, you

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Speaker 1: being Welcome back, Diana, you're still there running any of

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Speaker 1: Oh Diana, Diana, I'm here. Okay, there you go. So

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Speaker 1: Long term is history, It's what happened an hour ago,

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Speaker 1: It's actual physical pressure of the fuel pump and the

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Speaker 1: new starter, I bought Diana. I bought the regular starter, Diana,

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Speaker 1: listen to me throwing parts at the car, because you're

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Speaker 1: Got you? What is a throttle relearn is where you

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Speaker 1: good care of Diana. Let's get on over and talk

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Speaker 1: What's going on here? A couple of things run. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I appreciate you, um taking my phone call. UM.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate what you do and the advice you give people. UM.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's very expensive to go to mechanics

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Speaker 1: and and uh have them not know what the problem is,

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Speaker 1: and and uh this and that. But anyway, two problems

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Speaker 1: with my Ford F one fifty two eight four I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry five point four leader pre valve an engine. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you're familiar with those. Okay. When I first bought

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Speaker 1: the vehicle, it had ninety miles on it, which I

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Speaker 1: thought was really great for twelve thirteen year old truck. UM.

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Speaker 1: Then I found UM out that as I'm drying, been

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Speaker 1: along and it wants to downshift, it starts to uh

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Speaker 1: shut her shutter shutter where Chris in the seat of

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Speaker 1: your pants, through the trans through the engine is the

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Speaker 1: engine changing the way it runs the whole truck. It

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Speaker 1: took to me it seemed like the transmission was slipping.

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Speaker 1: That's what it seemed to me. But since I've changed

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Speaker 1: all the UM coils and spark plugs, not all of

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Speaker 1: spark plugs, that's another issue that UM, I have questions

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Speaker 1: for you. UM all new coils are in, but only

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Speaker 1: four new spark plugs are in, and that issue went away.

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Speaker 1: That's that issue that I thought was a slipping transmission.

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Speaker 1: Now I believe it was just mispiring, which I was

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Speaker 1: gonna send you to that. Okay, Yeah, that makes sense, sure,

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Speaker 1: very common. Oh okay. So the spark plugs that I

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Speaker 1: were able to take out and change, where UM one

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Speaker 1: and two and is one and two what doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: which one is. What we're saying is you got you

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Speaker 1: got four of them out, and four of them are

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Speaker 1: still in. Yes, I got four. I got four new

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Speaker 1: ones in, and um, I've got two old ones in

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Speaker 1: that I believe are completely intact. But I got once

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Speaker 1: I got to seven cylinder, seven and eight UM spark plugs.

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Speaker 1: The spark plug came out, but the grounding electrode right

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Speaker 1: because this is the trite and three valve yes exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And there's there's there's there's multiple procedures, there's multiple videos

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Speaker 1: on YouTube. There's a bunch of different tools that are

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Speaker 1: required to get the rest of this apart. So what

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Speaker 1: you're saying is the truck is disabled sitting in the yard. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not disabled because I was able to put so

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Speaker 1: I I did the same. I was able to put

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Speaker 1: this old spark plug back in, no problem. And the

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Speaker 1: so I went to number eight cylinder, same thing. Grounding

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Speaker 1: electrode uh, stayed in, spark plug came out. Chris, How

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Speaker 1: did you, Chris? How did you manage to get how

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Speaker 1: did you manage to get the center of the plug out,

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Speaker 1: leave the center of the grounding electrode in and then

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Speaker 1: put it back in and the truck still runs. And

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Speaker 1: the truck still runs. Um, it's almost like the ground

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Speaker 1: on these particular spark plugs, the grounding electrode is like

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Speaker 1: a half an inch from the UM Uh, the what

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Speaker 1: do you call it? The white part of the spark? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but Chris, But what you're telling me is what these

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Speaker 1: plugs do is they break off the thread a portion

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Speaker 1: in the body of the truck, in the in the

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Speaker 1: cylinder head. No, the threaded portion came right out. But

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Speaker 1: the but but the and so these spark plugs, UM,

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Speaker 1: they have they have a full arch around the UM

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Speaker 1: spark electrode. The grounding electrode is what stayed inside this.

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Speaker 1: This the spark plug hole. What's your what's your question

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Speaker 1: to me? What's your question to me? How to get

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Speaker 1: it out? Well, I rented a tool that's supposed to

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Speaker 1: get it out. UM. I don't know if you have

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Speaker 1: any advice on UM how to possibly get that out

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Speaker 1: without screwing up anymore. I would tell you. I would

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Speaker 1: tell you this and we'll leave it here. Chris, make

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Speaker 1: sure before you get involved in this you're capable of

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Speaker 1: doing it. There's a bunch of videos out there. I

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Speaker 1: would follow the instructions for your particular tool because there's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of different tools out there. One of the

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Speaker 1: key things that that we've experienced when we're doing this

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Speaker 1: job is make sure you soak the threads. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you soaked the plug in the well with a good

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Speaker 1: rust penetrant, a good component to break it down. PB

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Speaker 1: blaster works really well in a case like this as

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Speaker 1: a rust penetrate to soak into the threads and break

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Speaker 1: down the carbon. And we we've had cases where we've

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Speaker 1: left it sitting and soaking overnight a good four or

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Speaker 1: five hours, eight hours, ten hours, and then come back

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Speaker 1: to it in the morning. Follow the directions for your tool.

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Speaker 1: I don't know which tool you have. There's more than

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Speaker 1: enough videos out on YouTube to follow, and that you

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Speaker 1: should be able to get it done. If you have

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Speaker 1: any doubts, let a professional do it so that you

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Speaker 1: don't make it worse. Zero. We're back right after this

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Speaker 1: Welcome back. When I'm naming the car Doctor. I want

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Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about diagnostics because there's an

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Speaker 1: underlying theme in this week's show, and I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: why it's here in that I'm noticing as I listened

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Speaker 1: to everyone, they tried this, they checked that, they swapped this,

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Speaker 1: they replaced this part, they changed that part, I'm not

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Speaker 1: hearing I tested. I haven't heard that once yet in

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Speaker 1: the last two hours that I've tested this, or I

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Speaker 1: tested that. And and that's a key element, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what it is, but the public seems

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Speaker 1: to resist in some cases the idea of diagnosis, you know,

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Speaker 1: bringing your car to a mechanic competent mechanic. He's actually

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Speaker 1: doing you a disservice not diagnosing something, because he's guessing

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Speaker 1: and he's bouncing around, and he might be making the

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Speaker 1: problem worse by adding in parts that may have a

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Speaker 1: problem in and of themselves. Paul came and we upgraded

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Speaker 1: the cameras in the shop this week. We have rat

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Speaker 1: of the camera system and out of the box a

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Speaker 1: brand new DVR, which is the digital video recorder for

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Speaker 1: the camera system. It was it was displaying in Chinese

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Speaker 1: and he couldn't get in to do the menu set up.

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00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: He had a brand new, out of the box, bad DVR.

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Speaker 1: And he looked at me and he said, wow, he goes,

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Speaker 1: how can that happen? And I had to explain to

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Speaker 1: him what new meant and the same thing can happened

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Speaker 1: with cars. They're electronics, the parts that go into cars

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00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: they go bad. They're bad out of the box, they're

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Speaker 1: bad out of the factory, they're bad from shipping and

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00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: changing parts is not a repair. Changing parts is not

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Speaker 1: a diagnosis unless you know changing that part is going

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Speaker 1: to fix that problem because you've tested something. And in

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Speaker 1: a lot of cases, a lot of what I've heard

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Speaker 1: today is you're running around in circles, you're chasing yourself,

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Speaker 1: and you know, maybe there's something here I'm not saying,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna think about this during the week, and

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00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: that maybe I'm I'm missing something somebody's saying. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it takes hooking up a fuel pressure gauge, it takes

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00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: checking for spark, it takes checking a censor's output, It

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Speaker 1: takes looking at a scan tool. You know, we had

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Speaker 1: one fell in here this week that said, well, it's

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Speaker 1: at the code a year ago and I haven't seen

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Speaker 1: it since. Have you? Have you checked for codes? No?

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Speaker 1: So we're so stuck on what the car did a

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Speaker 1: year and a half ago that we don't want to

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Speaker 1: consider what it might be doing today. But yet we

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Speaker 1: want to try and diagnose and repair it without spending

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Speaker 1: any money. I I'm atta loss, So let me pull

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Speaker 1: over and take a pause. We'll be back to wrap

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00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: it up right after this car doctor. Number of calls

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Speaker 1: on me, let me finish up the hour. I was

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00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: looking in the Mitchell one library the folks over at

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Speaker 1: Mitchell one Mitchell one dot com, and they've got a

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Speaker 1: real fixed sure track repair in there that strikes a

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Speaker 1: tone with me, especially after this week's show with some

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Speaker 1: of the questions and some of the content and comments.

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00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: It's a two thousand Chevrolet HHR, which was like their

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00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: little two door, little mini cargo van kind of looking

567
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 1: thing they had a couple of years back that they

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00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: don't longer make. And the concern was a harsh two

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Speaker 1: three trans shift and there was a problem the trans

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Speaker 1: The vehicle wouldn't shift into overdrive. The two three trans

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Speaker 1: shift was harsh and they were getting some trouble codes.

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Speaker 1: They were getting a P zero nine seventy seven and

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Speaker 1: a P zero seven hundred. Now listen to the diagnosis

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Speaker 1: that this gentleman did. He test drove the vehicle. He

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Speaker 1: plugged in a scan tool. He used functional testing, so

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Speaker 1: live data that showed the two three solimoid was being

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Speaker 1: commanded to operate. He disconnected the wiring harness and plugged

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Speaker 1: in and back probe to verify that the information he

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Speaker 1: was seeing was real. He wasn't trusting the scan tool.

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Speaker 1: What a great idea he tests. He used a test

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Speaker 1: like he pigtailed two and confirmed battery positive at specific wires.

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Speaker 1: He he confirmed that the shift solenoid had correct voltage

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Speaker 1: going to it. He put a test light between specific

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00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: pins and then using the scan tool, commanded the two

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: three solenoid on and off, and he could watch his

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00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: meter go up and down and change accordingly. He knew

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Speaker 1: the computer was capable of operating that solenoid, but still

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00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: he couldn't get that solenoide to operate. He ran an

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Speaker 1: home test on the on the solenoid. He measured olms

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00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: and they both olmed correctly. But in the end, when

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00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: he was done with his individual pin testing, wire testing,

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00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: and home testing, he found out that the solenoid, even

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00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: though the wiring harness was intact, still wouldn't operate. It

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00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: was a bad two three shift solenoid. He changed the

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00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: two three shifts soloid and and one of the conclusions

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Speaker 1: that he came to was he got help from one

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Speaker 1: of the community members at mitchell one dot com who

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00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: said the two three solenoid and the circuit should do

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00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,760
Speaker 1: everything the same as the one two solid and circuit

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00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: both either on or roll if they're not pulse with modulated,

601
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: so you can look at one to verify and understand

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00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: what's going on, and one should be happening in the other.

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00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: And that's where they got the home speck of it.

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00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: Turns out the soloid was fraud. It didn't need a

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00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: trans controller. It was a multiple step process of check this,

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00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: check this, check this, check this, taken it to a

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00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: trans shop that didn't diagnose it, or repair shop that

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00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: didn't diagnose it. They would have put a transmission and

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Speaker 1: they would have fixed it because they would have replaced

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00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: the solenoid as part of that transmission assembly. Diagnostics is

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: a step by step process. It's not fast food, and

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00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: it's not over in a heartbeat until the next time

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Speaker 1: I'm runing any in the car. Doctor reminding you each time,

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Speaker 1: every time, for a great time. Good mechanics aren't expensive,

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Speaker 1: they're priceless. See you