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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Big Blue Kick Golf Live

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Speaker 1: right here on Giants dot Com, joined by Lance Minto.

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Speaker 1: I am John Smoked back from two weeks away. I'm

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Speaker 1: charging ready to roll here. It's all presented by Cores Light.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us and Lands. We did week

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Speaker 1: off of the fourth of July. You and Paul carried

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Speaker 1: us through last week shows and finally you're starting to

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Speaker 1: see some NFL news now starting to hit the weight,

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Speaker 1: starting to hit the wires a little bit. You have

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Speaker 1: the cb A stuff going on. Teams were port to camp,

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Speaker 1: the ones that play that whole Fame game in just

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Speaker 1: a week. So things are starting to pick up here

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Speaker 1: and the Giants will report about ten days from today.

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Speaker 1: Hard to believe, as you mentioned, with all that has

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Speaker 1: transpired over the course of the off season, but you're right.

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Speaker 1: Denver Broncos there in camp. Wednesday, Falcons team square off

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Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame preseason game. It's it's truly

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Speaker 1: amazing with all the events that we have. We look

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Speaker 1: at the calendar and we say to ourselves, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: you know this is gonna take forever. But little by little,

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Speaker 1: there's something each and every week, each and every month

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Speaker 1: in the NFL off season, which I think is what

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Speaker 1: adds excitement for the fans from different perspectives. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And by the way, will be John by our guests

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Speaker 1: Soum Palontonio who covers the NFL for ESPN. In just

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Speaker 1: a couple of minutes, and the rookies come Monday, then

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Speaker 1: the veterans show up Thursday. So those are the things

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Speaker 1: that the Giants are looking forward to. Here, the rookies

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Speaker 1: have one real practice and one walk through before the

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Speaker 1: veterans show up on Thursday. Then the veterans have their

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Speaker 1: first practice on Friday, and look, things get going. It'll

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Speaker 1: start slowly, but our first preseason game, where's the Giant

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Speaker 1: schedule is less than a month away. You're looking at

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Speaker 1: about three weeks. So that's fun, that's exciting, and you

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Speaker 1: know we're excited for camp now. But then when camp

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Speaker 1: starts about a week later, it'll be h boy, I

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Speaker 1: just can't wait to play in a game already. I'm

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Speaker 1: tired of watching these guys and practice well, and it'll

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Speaker 1: come before you know it. John, I'm like that too.

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Speaker 1: There's only so much that you want to just sit

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Speaker 1: there and watch them hit each other, which is gonna

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Speaker 1: be refreshing compared to O. T A S A minicamp.

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Speaker 1: But then you want to progress, obviously in the direction

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Speaker 1: of games. But once again it's gonna go very quickly.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have tough decisions that the Giants are gonna

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Speaker 1: have to make in terms of roster moves, cutting down

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Speaker 1: the roster. And remember, just as a sake of clarification,

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Speaker 1: there is no middle ground anymore. It's ninety straight to

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Speaker 1: fifty three. Though you can't cut whenever you can, meaning

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Speaker 1: there's no mole that prevents you. You're right, John, But

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Speaker 1: you don't have to get down to seventy five by

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Speaker 1: a specific date. You can carry all ninety if you want,

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Speaker 1: into the final preseason game and then slowly get down

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Speaker 1: to fifty three by the necessary NFL deadline, no question

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Speaker 1: about it. And the one piece of news that's kind

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Speaker 1: of been in UM news reports recently or the CBA negotiations,

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Speaker 1: and everyone here would be thrilled if there is no

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Speaker 1: you know, labor stoppage of any kind two off seasons

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Speaker 1: from now, in the off season of UM. But you

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Speaker 1: know that's when are the office excuse me, so you

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Speaker 1: know they're trying to kind of hammer this thing out

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Speaker 1: early if they can. And one issue that's come up

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Speaker 1: is that eighteen game schedule, and I just don't think

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Speaker 1: it's something that's gonna happen. We'll see, Um, what are

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on the eighteen games? But guys only playing

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Speaker 1: six team, which I think is the owner's way of

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Speaker 1: trying to compromise with the players who obviously and everyone's

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Speaker 1: concerned about player safety, trying to keep the wear and

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Speaker 1: tearing the players down, but get eighteen games to get

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Speaker 1: more games that count rather than playing the four preseason contests. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's one an appeal to the safety angle that we

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Speaker 1: hear about. I'm completely against it, John, And I can't

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Speaker 1: imagine any player or any coach, specifically a coach signing

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Speaker 1: you're limiting guys to sixteen. I mean, just think about this.

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Speaker 1: You're telling me that you're starting quarterback if he's fully

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Speaker 1: I don't even think about the quarterback angle of it.

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Speaker 1: There's no right about and let's take it a step further.

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Speaker 1: You don't have your left tackle for two games? John, Okay?

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Speaker 1: And how much have we focus on the offensive line

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Speaker 1: So you're benching if I'm a coach, don't you're benching

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Speaker 1: I would think of you're a coach, just get it

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Speaker 1: And and here's the thing, then do you bench him

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Speaker 1: a short week. You know, those are all types of

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Speaker 1: if if, for example, this year, if you're the Giants

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Speaker 1: the you know, team games that you don't do you

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Speaker 1: have a great chance of winning anyway, do you just

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Speaker 1: but have your teams not play then? And then all

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Speaker 1: then your national TV games get screwed up. You don't

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Speaker 1: think a lot of teams were resting their games, resting

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Speaker 1: lot of unintended consequences on that. Well, because to your point,

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Speaker 1: sacrifice that because if I'm the Patriots, for example, I'm

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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting strategy. Would you bench your best player?

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Speaker 1: Let's sell you the Patriots, right and You've got the

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Speaker 1: at and you say, look, we have the bench Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady for two games. Right. Do you go and bench

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Speaker 1: It's just not a realistic mix. Listen. The bottom line

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Speaker 1: I just think it's a floating idea to get the

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Speaker 1: conversation started. It's all part of the negotiation process, no

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Speaker 1: Got John Schmulkin Lance Medal here in the Giants facility.

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Speaker 1: Niece Rutherford. How's your summer going? Pretty good? I'm not

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Speaker 1: What's your take on what Gettleman's path was this offseason

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Speaker 1: And as you know, I've always been a great, great

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Speaker 1: a step back and miss may shock some people. I

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Speaker 1: think the Rams could. I think teams defensive coordinators have

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Speaker 1: figured out the Rams offense a little bit since they

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Speaker 1: dropped Fi Skip Bears Hello in the Super Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I I think the Rams are a team yeah,

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Speaker 1: that are built from the inside out defensively, and you

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Speaker 1: can you can do some things against that team. Clearly

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Speaker 1: without Girly and without Cup, Golf is a different quarterback. Again,

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Speaker 1: study the film on them. The one thing that they

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Speaker 1: do over and over again offensively is play action pass.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't have the threat of Girly running

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Speaker 1: the football, Golf becomes very ordinary. Sow you brought up

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Speaker 1: the fact that the Rams could take a step back, Well,

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Speaker 1: let's go on the opposite end of the spectrum. When

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Speaker 1: you look at the NFC landscape, which team do who

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Speaker 1: think maybe he's falling under the radar right now that

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Speaker 1: can actually make some huge strides. Yeah, you know, I

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Speaker 1: don't really I think you named them all. I'm interested

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Speaker 1: to see how Kingsbury softfense works where you don't block

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Speaker 1: anybody and you throw everybody into the past route. Uh,

447
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Speaker 1: and you have to account for the quarterback as a runner,

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Speaker 1: and how long Kyler Murray lasts in that system. Now.

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Speaker 1: I happen to think he's going to be an electric player. Um,

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Speaker 1: I really do. But I think, hey, if you would

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Speaker 1: ask me to one team to keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: that could make some noise, that would be the card

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Speaker 1: most because of he's a different talent. He's a different

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Speaker 1: level talent. Let's talk about the rule changes a little bit,

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Speaker 1: sal and I think the one that everyone cares about

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Speaker 1: the most is the past interference school. I poked around

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Speaker 1: a little bit talk to some folks, and the impression

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Speaker 1: that I get is that they're going to basically direct

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Speaker 1: the officials to only change these past interference calls if

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Speaker 1: it's fairly obvious and egregious. Do you think they're going

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Speaker 1: to stick to that or are we going to fall

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Speaker 1: into what we've fallen into with the rest of replay here,

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Speaker 1: where you're micromanaging every little touch and contact and stuff.

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Speaker 1: When they look at these replay reviews on the past

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Speaker 1: interference penalties. UM, I think they are going to stick

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Speaker 1: to that. I think that Roger Goodell basically put Al

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Speaker 1: river Ran, the head of officiating, on the clock on

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Speaker 1: this because of what happened with the catch now catch

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Speaker 1: rule a couple of years ago, where I think there

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Speaker 1: was an overcorrection that happened in the New York offices

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Speaker 1: and as a result that the game is being officiated

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Speaker 1: from New York, and I don't think that that's going

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Speaker 1: to happen in this particular case. I like the new rule,

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Speaker 1: and I am glad that the coaches want in the

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Speaker 1: end so that it's a it's a reviewable call in

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Speaker 1: the final two minutes out of their hands so that

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Speaker 1: they don't have to hold onto that challenge flag and

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Speaker 1: have to make that decision in the last two minutes.

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Speaker 1: I think that was really smart if the coaches put

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Speaker 1: up a fuss about it, because I was at the

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Speaker 1: league meeting UM when that was when they tried to

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Speaker 1: walk the cat back and Rich McKay and Troy Vincent

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Speaker 1: and they said, no, we want the coaches to be

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Speaker 1: able to do it, not the officials. And the coaches said,

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Speaker 1: uh uh, we don't want to do that. And I'm

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Speaker 1: glad the coaches won. Yeah, I'm with you too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that that, to me is the structure that

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Speaker 1: makes the most sense. But just piggybacking off of John's

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Speaker 1: point related to this new expansion of instant replay and

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Speaker 1: especially now incorporating judgment calls out From a big picture perspective,

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Speaker 1: how concerning, though, is it if we are starting to

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Speaker 1: see the league go into the direction of slowing down

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Speaker 1: play by play to a point where it doesn't resemble

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Speaker 1: the full speed of football. I mean, from a big

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Speaker 1: picture perspective, how concerning is that direction. I'm not that

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Speaker 1: concerned about it. I'm not. I think it's gonna be okay.

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Speaker 1: I think in the end it's gonna work. Hey, it's

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Speaker 1: as long as they get the calls right. I think

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Speaker 1: we'll deal with games that are five or ten minutes longer,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully it won't be that bad. There's gonna be

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Speaker 1: one challenge per game. We know to deal with that.

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Speaker 1: But as long as you get the calls right and

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Speaker 1: you don't have what happened last year matters. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think the fans, the fans want to get the

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Speaker 1: calls right after what happened New Orleans. Yet, am I

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Speaker 1: view an illegitimate Super Bowl contender? Yeah? Look, I agree,

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Speaker 1: last one from me. We're getting some news and word

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Speaker 1: out right now. About the owners trying to, you know,

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Speaker 1: push the eighteen game schedule again. You know, the one

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Speaker 1: proposal had the eighteen games with each player only being

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Speaker 1: able to play six seen And I'm sure you heard

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Speaker 1: Lands and I kind of discussing it before we had

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Speaker 1: your on. I just think it's a really tough mechanically

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Speaker 1: wise to to get something like that workable, and I

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Speaker 1: think there are unintended consequences that might happen. Is that

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Speaker 1: you think a realistic proposition right now? Or is this

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Speaker 1: just part of the negotiation process. Yeah, I was listening

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Speaker 1: to you guys before I came on, and I agree

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Speaker 1: with you that it's a starting point in the conversation,

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Speaker 1: not an ending point. And I was just raised this

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Speaker 1: one issue, and that is this, if I'm a season

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Speaker 1: ticket holder to the New York Giants or that, let's

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Speaker 1: say the Philadelphia Eagles, and I'm told that two of

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Speaker 1: my games I'm not gonna see Carson Wentz, Well, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to pay full price if I'm sitting at home.

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Speaker 1: If I'm sitting at home and I'm paying two hundred

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Speaker 1: dollars a month for a Comcast cable, I want to

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Speaker 1: see Carson Wentz for all eighteen games, or I want

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Speaker 1: to discount how I want to rebate from the Eagles

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Speaker 1: or from the NFL because I'm not getting the number

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Speaker 1: one player in those games. So I think, well, it's

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Speaker 1: a good starting point for the conversation. I don't see

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Speaker 1: how you how do you? How do you say to

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Speaker 1: the fans? Uh? Carson? It's like going to a Broadway

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Speaker 1: show and and Bett Midler's you know, it's got an understudy.

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Speaker 1: Very It's a very parallel, very good Signfeld reference there. Sal,

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Speaker 1: I picked up on it. Thank you. I thought that,

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Speaker 1: thank you, I got you, no problem. Well, and it

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Speaker 1: reminds me what you're talking about, Sal, A lot of

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Speaker 1: the conversations that are going on in the NBA with

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Speaker 1: the load management debate and whether or not you rest

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Speaker 1: our players when they're visiting sites where fans go out

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Speaker 1: of their way to buy those tickets. Yeah, exactly. So

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Speaker 1: let's say let's say the Eagles are visiting the Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: right and uh, and the Eagles have have the deficient

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Speaker 1: wrapped up and and Doug Peterson says, we're not playing

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Speaker 1: Carson Wents this week. He's this is one of the

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Speaker 1: weeks off. Boy oh boy, how do you think that

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Speaker 1: will go over in the metro play not very smoothly.

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Speaker 1: Last one for me, sal in terms of the c

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Speaker 1: b A talks the fact that these conversations are happening

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Speaker 1: now well in advance of the expiration of the c BA,

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Speaker 1: whether or not it's realistic that we go to eighteen

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Speaker 1: games in the sixteen game cap compared to how things

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Speaker 1: played out going back to two thousand eleven. How encouraging

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Speaker 1: is it that both sides are coming together this early

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Speaker 1: and at least entertaining some of these ideas that may

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Speaker 1: separate themselves at this point in the negotiation. I think

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Speaker 1: the I think it's very very encouraging. Here's the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: I think NFL players and Major League Baseball players are

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Speaker 1: looking at the windfall of guaranteed money that NBA players

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Speaker 1: are getting in free agency one and the control that

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Speaker 1: NBA players have over where they go and how much

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Speaker 1: they get paid and who they get to get to

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Speaker 1: play with. And I think that is going to be

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Speaker 1: the number one thing that players are going to tell

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Speaker 1: their union reps in their locker rooms that this is

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Speaker 1: what we want to get towards. We want to get

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Speaker 1: to the point where we have control and we have

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Speaker 1: guaranteed money. So I'm gonna ask you a quick fill

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Speaker 1: up on the this album is really quickly. I think

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Speaker 1: the argument that I always give the people that say

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Speaker 1: NFL contracts should be guaranteed, My retort then is, will

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Speaker 1: then just be ready to accept the fact that the

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Speaker 1: contracts are going to be a lot shorter. You know,

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Speaker 1: you're not going to give out a five year guaranteed,

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contract. You're gonna give out a three or

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Speaker 1: fully guaranteed contract. But you think so players get more

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Speaker 1: control over where they're going, they'd okay if they're signing

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Speaker 1: shorter deals, if the money's more, if the if the

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Speaker 1: deals are more fully guaranteed in terms of the money. Right,

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Speaker 1: So the devil is in the details. There's no question

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Speaker 1: about it. And your question is the legitimate one. No, no,

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Speaker 1: no doubt about that. But the bottom line is I

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Speaker 1: think players in Major League Baseball and in professional football

586
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Speaker 1: have seen what has happened in the NBA and they

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Speaker 1: want to get closer to the NBA model. Well, as

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Speaker 1: long as that doesn't mean the Giants end up winning

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Speaker 1: as many games of the next I think I'll be

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Speaker 1: okay with So we really appreciate the time. Man, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much. Enjoy the rest of your time off, and

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Speaker 1: then we hit the grinding about a week, my friend,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot. So yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna see

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Speaker 1: up at Quest Diagnostics pretty soon, probably the first day

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Speaker 1: it opens, for sure. I can't wait to see you. South,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot. Thanks for having me on the show.

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Speaker 1: I really really appreciate. Absolutely make sure you check out

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Speaker 1: South Palatonio, host of the NFL Matchup Show. They do

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Speaker 1: a great job on ESPN. Is my favorite show. You

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Speaker 1: guys have on your whole networks out so we really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you. Oh and don't forget even if

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Speaker 1: there's some Eagles fans up there in North Jersey. Philly

603
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Speaker 1: special the inside story about the Philadelphi Eagles won their

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Speaker 1: first Super Bowl titles. A lot of stuff in there

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Speaker 1: about Eli and the Giants. You'll like it. I appreciate that. South,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much again. Thanks al great, South Palantonio,

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Speaker 1: always generous this time, tremendous guy, nicest due in the world.

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Speaker 1: And he's right, he was here the Giants rafted Jones.

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Speaker 1: We had like a twenty minute conversation the cafeteria about

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Speaker 1: what the Giants are doing just a great great dude,

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Speaker 1: so good stuff. From any takeaways, lens from what health

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Speaker 1: to say, well, I mean, I think it was extremely

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Speaker 1: informative in terms of us really going around to getting

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Speaker 1: the full spectrum what's going on in the league, the division,

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Speaker 1: the Giant specifically. My biggest takeaway was his discussion on

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Speaker 1: the Giants and the fact that he's not overly concerned

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Speaker 1: about the the limited group of pass rushers right now

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Speaker 1: on the current roster because he feels that the league

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Speaker 1: is going more and more in the direction of it's

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Speaker 1: hard to get home, John, and as result, you need

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Speaker 1: your secondary to be that much more reliable, which is

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Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily surprised why the Giants utilize so many

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Speaker 1: picks on trying to retool this secondary Opposite Genora's Jenkins,

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Speaker 1: I still personally think John, you need to have an

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Speaker 1: emphasis and putting pressure on the opposing offensive line. Whether

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Speaker 1: you get home or not, you still need guys that

627
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: are going to take the attention of the offense and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we've got to double this guy, We've got to pull

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Speaker 1: our attention this way. And whenever you have a young secondary,

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Speaker 1: you also need to account for there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: fluctuation in terms of production game in and game out.

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Speaker 1: There's not gonna be the same level of consistency that

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Speaker 1: a veteran provides. So I get his point. I completely

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Speaker 1: understand where he's coming from. I think that there's stats

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Speaker 1: and the eye test that backs it up, But I

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Speaker 1: don't know necessarily if that should automatically make James betcher

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Speaker 1: if you're comfortable simply because of the fact that maybe

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00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: the pass rush is not getting home across the league

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Speaker 1: right now. And look the giant zone corners at the

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Speaker 1: play war early two, which, as I've said a million times,

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Speaker 1: young cornerbacks, look, they're gonna mistakes. They're gonna happen just

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Speaker 1: a matter of Paul has made this point a bunch

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Speaker 1: of times. How much of those mistakes hurt you. You know,

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Speaker 1: a cornerback can get toasted, make a horrible mistake and

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Speaker 1: the quarterback and overthrow a pass. You know, a guy

646
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Speaker 1: can slip and fall down, it can be in a

647
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Speaker 1: holding penalty on the offense and it gets called back.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are million things that can happen on

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Speaker 1: these individual plays that makes those mistakes less painful. So

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Speaker 1: just something to keep in mind. Moving forward, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: you get gifts from the opposition. Sometimes you get beat John,

652
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Speaker 1: and then the quarterback throws the ball deep down the

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Speaker 1: field and the wide receiver drops it, and then you say,

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Speaker 1: thankfully that it didn't come back to bite you. But

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Speaker 1: you can't rely on that. That can't be a defensive

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Speaker 1: philosophy case in point. If you remember, and this is

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Speaker 1: not to rehash old issues, but in that Giants Panthers

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Speaker 1: game when Odell Beckham and Josh Norman went at it,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people focus on that. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if most people remember the beginning of that game, John

661
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Speaker 1: Eli hits Oldell Beckham. If you remember up the rights sideline,

662
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Speaker 1: he's got Norman beat O'Dell does not catch the football. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the game turns out differently, but

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Speaker 1: those are those momentum break type of plays that you're

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Speaker 1: referring to. Either way. Look at the playoff game against

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Speaker 1: the Packers that the Giants played two years ago, the

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Speaker 1: Hail Mary play. No, I just mean in general, how

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Speaker 1: many game absolutely, I mean it's another example, Yeah, where

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Speaker 1: they could have maybe jumped out to an early lead,

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Speaker 1: changes the dynamics of the game. Yeah, all these little things.

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Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's get to your calls at two, one,

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Speaker 1: five on three. We'll check out hashtag Giants chat at

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Speaker 1: well as well. I'll try to get to a tweeter

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Speaker 1: two as you move along in today's program. Let's start

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Speaker 1: off on the phones though, and go to Bob and Pennsylvanue,

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Speaker 1: who's been holding the longest. Hey Bob, Hi, guys, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing? Well? Great thought? What's up? Uhfure I

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Speaker 1: get to my dext Lawrence point. I'd like to make

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Speaker 1: a shout out to Daniel Jones, um being. The Giants

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Speaker 1: will go with two quarterbacks to share once stake. Kyler Lennard,

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Speaker 1: please do not go back to your number seventeen that

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Speaker 1: you wore in college, because I still have nightmares about

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Speaker 1: a duke quarterback careering number sevent Well, I can tell

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Speaker 1: you I think to stick with number eight. I can

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Speaker 1: tell your career Daniel Jones looked good where number eight

686
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Speaker 1: in camp. I think it's a really good quarterback number.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if he's gonna stick with it

688
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Speaker 1: or not, or how that's going to go, but I

689
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Speaker 1: think I think it's a really good quarterback number. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully and I don't see why he would want to

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Speaker 1: go back to seventeen, being he was getting hatred so

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Speaker 1: much at Duke anyway, Um, as far as Dexter Lawrence goes,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if people realize what

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Speaker 1: a pivotal pick that is in the career of Dave

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Speaker 1: Gettleman as far and I was one of the people

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Speaker 1: who wasn't disappointed that they didn't go with Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: But you gotta remember we were going to get both

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Speaker 1: of those guys. So from here on, if Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 1: turns out to be the man, I mean, you're you're

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Speaker 1: going to compare those two careers over as the years

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Speaker 1: go by. And if he turns out to be a

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Speaker 1: stud I'm not saying he's gonna be Aaron Donald, but

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Speaker 1: if he turns out to be a player, it will

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Speaker 1: all work out. We would We still got the defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman and the quarterback. And um, you also got to

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Speaker 1: remember that was the that was the depict for Atomic

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Speaker 1: Blonde there too, So it's also it's a very big

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Speaker 1: pick for Dave Gentleman. They've gotten right, So I just

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Speaker 1: hope it all works out. I'm very confident that Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jones is going to be able to carry the torch

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Speaker 1: and text to Lawrence is gonna work out. I'm always

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Speaker 1: optimistic in July anyway, so I think most fans have

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Speaker 1: reason to be optimistic as well, Bob, and appreciate the

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Speaker 1: phone call. Thanks, thanks so much for weighing in. I

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Speaker 1: understand his point about if you want to compare Dexter

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and Josh Allen, the problem is they're completely two

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Speaker 1: different players. By the way, you could have drafted both

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Speaker 1: if you didn't draft the quarterback. Yeah, you don't, wasn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily one of the other. What happens if they draft

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen first and then Daniel Jones has gone before seventeen,

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Speaker 1: then they could pick Exter Lawrence too, assuming Dexter Lawrence

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Speaker 1: is still there. Yes, I mean, you just don't know

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Speaker 1: how the dynamics of the draft play out, and this

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Speaker 1: could have, would have should have game. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: a huge fan of the hypothetical, but your point is

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Speaker 1: well taken. I'm just saying, when you are going to

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Speaker 1: start comparing the career paths of Josh Allen and Dexter Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: what they're asked to do within their respective defense is

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Speaker 1: very different. So I really don't think you could look

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Speaker 1: at both statistics and tell me, wow, they should have

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Speaker 1: went after Josh Allen. Allen's gonna be asked to do

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Speaker 1: very different things than what Dexter Lawrence is gonna be

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Speaker 1: asked to do for the New York Giants. It's two

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Speaker 1: different positions. So it's really not an ideal comparison, is

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because there's gonna be more than just

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Speaker 1: what's on paper to judge truly the career arcs for

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Speaker 1: both of those guys. Let's go to Peter and the

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Speaker 1: Florida Keys. He joins us next on Big Blue tick

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Speaker 1: Off Live. What's up Beat? Hey, awesome show today guys

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Speaker 1: breaking us down? Hey, I two quick comments I wanted

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Speaker 1: to throw at you guys, your opinions from one that

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Speaker 1: eighteen game season that you that that was pitched. I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to happen, but to be perfectly honest,

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Speaker 1: it's completely going to change the strategy. You know, when

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Speaker 1: to your starters and you know it's good looking to

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Speaker 1: play a poor team, a poor performing team, to sit

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Speaker 1: ELI at that time, I think it'll completely completely change

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Speaker 1: your strategy. Also, my answer. I think that a really

749
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Speaker 1: good point. When you set the quarterback, you know, that's

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Speaker 1: that's gonna significantly alter things. But you know, the first

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Speaker 1: time I heard the rule of the potential rule change,

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Speaker 1: what I thought was interesting was, you know, place kicker,

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Speaker 1: long snapper, punter. You know that you games are traditionally

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Speaker 1: very close. You know, if you're gonna sit Al Rose

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Speaker 1: Sauce and he was, you know, it kind of scares me.

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Speaker 1: And what does that mean for our team? Do you

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Speaker 1: have to second? Well, you know, that's a great point.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. That's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And that's why what you're talking about, Peter. Also, if

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Speaker 1: you're going to implement an eighteen game schedule, sixteen game cap,

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Speaker 1: you also need to talk about expanded rosters. So you know,

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Speaker 1: that's another part of this conversation. Because if you get

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Speaker 1: to carry two punters, two kickers, to long snappers, whatever

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Speaker 1: it may be holders, you know, now you need to

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Speaker 1: be able to accommodate that on the roster. I mean

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Speaker 1: you might be able to put in the rule where

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Speaker 1: it does not apply the kickers and punters because they

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Speaker 1: are not physically put at risk away other positions, or

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Speaker 1: I guess that's possible, but something tells me the NFL

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Speaker 1: p A is not gonna be you know, determining what

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Speaker 1: positions guys plays will determine the rules for the whole union.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's gonna work well. And

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Speaker 1: if anything, John they want roster expansion because it's more

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Speaker 1: opportunities unions. So I mean, I think they want to

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Speaker 1: have two kickers to punters or whatever. It may be

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Speaker 1: one idea that I've thrown out on some other programs,

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious your thoughts. Is I suggest if they

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Speaker 1: go to eighteen games, and actually, I think they should

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Speaker 1: do this right now. In my opinion, the ten player

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Speaker 1: practice squad should be like the G League for the NBA.

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Speaker 1: Guy should be able to come and go up and

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Speaker 1: down from the active roster. They should not have to

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Speaker 1: go through waivers. So this way, you know you'll never

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Speaker 1: lose that player, because right now, if you call up

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Speaker 1: a guy from the practice squad, he goes to the

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Speaker 1: active roster. Let's say you need him for one game

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Speaker 1: that you're running back comes back because he was a

788
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Speaker 1: backup running back, you gotta put him through waivers. Somebody

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Speaker 1: else can claim him there's no guarantee again him back.

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Speaker 1: Eliminate that and use it as a developmental aspect of

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Speaker 1: the roster. The only way that works is if you

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Speaker 1: pay them a lot more money. Well, yeah, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to increase the pay I get that, but you

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Speaker 1: know what, and make them guarantee deals or you know,

795
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, make them much more like

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Speaker 1: NFL deals as opposed to what they make now as

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Speaker 1: a practice squad members. Well, but once again, I would

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Speaker 1: think the union would welcome that. I mean, you're helping

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Speaker 1: your own body. That no, that that's something the union

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Speaker 1: is probably for today. The question is whether or not

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Speaker 1: the teams would before Well, of course, and that's what

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Speaker 1: happens in the game of negotiations. You give me a little,

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Speaker 1: I give you a little. So yeah. But all of

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Speaker 1: those points that you brought up, Peter, they're interconnected because

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Speaker 1: if you're gonna do those things, you have to discuss

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Speaker 1: roster expansion. It has to be done. That makes complete

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Speaker 1: sense now thinking about it. Maybe the one guy that

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Speaker 1: would be excited about the team we'll have more special

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Speaker 1: teams guys on and well, you know, no will be

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Speaker 1: more excited than pulled the Tino pulled the Tino once

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Speaker 1: a forty game season. If you could have it well

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Speaker 1: with four games too, he would want a doubleheader of games.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Welcome to Tuesday night football. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: appreciate the Yeah, real quick. The other point, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: by other point, I just wanted to get your opinion

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Speaker 1: to them a little perplex Yeah, I really enjoyed the draft.

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Speaker 1: And the one question mark that always resurfaces every time

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Speaker 1: I think about the draft is drafting Dutch to Lawrence

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Speaker 1: at seventeen. You know, I understand if you're gonna draft

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Speaker 1: somebody at seventeen, he's got to be a three down player.

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Speaker 1: And I know he was hurt I that he wasn't

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Speaker 1: asked to do that at Clemson, to rush the passer

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Speaker 1: and be more of like a nose type guy. But

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Speaker 1: I know the old regime, it was all about the

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Speaker 1: maybe not the analytics, but the scoring of the combine

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Speaker 1: and all that good stuff. And I believe that Gettleman

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Speaker 1: was more, Hey, let's go for a football guy, and

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Speaker 1: let's make sure that production matches what he did in school. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I really feel that, you know, and I just want

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Speaker 1: to get your opinion, you know, We're gonna be looking

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Speaker 1: at these four games, and I'm gonna be focusing on

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Speaker 1: big death what exactly so we'd be looking for in

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Speaker 1: those games. Because when I listened, I went back and

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Speaker 1: I listened to Dave Gettleman's UH pressor after the draft

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Speaker 1: with Mr. Sherman, and I know they talked about Dexter

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Speaker 1: Lawrence and they talked about Baker at the same time,

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Speaker 1: and he mentioned something about footing the hips. Now, I

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Speaker 1: thought that was only for corners to change the direction,

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Speaker 1: But you need to flip hips for a pass rusher. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think what he means by flipping hips is by

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Speaker 1: being agile enough to to to kind of shift your

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00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: body to get around the offensive Lineman's not just kind

843
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Speaker 1: of grabbing him. You actually have the ability. You know,

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Speaker 1: on a swim move, for example, you don't have to

845
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Speaker 1: get your arm over the defender. You have to get

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Speaker 1: your hip around the offensive lineman's you know hip as

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Speaker 1: well that you're trying to swim over, and you know, flexibility,

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Speaker 1: things of that nature. And the reason they picked Dexter

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Speaker 1: Lawrence at at seventeen and thanks a lot for the call,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate it, is they believe he can become a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher. They believe he has the athletic traits to

852
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: play that role and do that job. That's why they

853
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: picked him at seventeen. If he doesn't develop that and

854
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: he becomes a two down player like you're worried he

855
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: might be, I think Dave Gentleman would not not have

856
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: picked him at seventeen if he could go into the

857
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: future and know that he's not going to become a

858
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I don't think he's to pick there, but

859
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: they think he has the ability to do that and

860
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: be that important interior pass rushing presence that you know

861
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: South Palestonio talked about it's harder to get to the

862
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: quarterback from the outside. You get there a lot quicker

863
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: rushing up the middle interior pressure. Yeah, I mean you

864
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: think about Aaron Donald, who one of the previous callers

865
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 1: brought up. Now we're not certainly putting him in the

866
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: same conversation yet we have to see what he could

867
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: do on the NFL level. But Donald, he gets to

868
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: the quarterback, but he applies pressure up the gut. That's

869
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: why he's so valuable and he's so unique, And yes,

870
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: they believe he has the potential. John they think that

871
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: what they've seen at the collegiate level is just the

872
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: early stages of what he could tap into. Now, I'm

873
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: not pointing to the injury as an excuse, but he's

874
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the first one that said this. When he joined the

875
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: Giants organization. You're talking about a player that was dealing

876
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: with a foot injury, nerve damage, didn't really have full

877
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: feeling in his leg. You know, let's let's see him

878
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: at full health. Let's see if he could tap into

879
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: that potential. I think the upside is there. He's got

880
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: to prove it. But but they do feel when it's

881
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 1: all said and done, during the course of his Giant's career,

882
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: that he will warrant being on the field for all

883
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: three downs, and he will not be a guy that

884
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: you just put out there for first and second down,

885
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: stop the run, and then bring in a substitute on

886
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: third down. But you know, once again, we're gonna have

887
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: to see it. I think that you can only take

888
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: so much away from the college level, mainly because of

889
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: he was surrounded by a lot of talent, so he

890
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: wasn't asked to do that as much the injury. I

891
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: remember talks about Lorenzo Carter and once again, I'm not

892
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: comparing them because different players. But you know, one of

893
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: the things that Lorenzo Carter was asked to do within

894
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: the Georgia defense was not necessarily what the Giants maybe

895
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: fully wanted out of him. Now they're asking him to

896
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: do some different things. I mean, think about they threw

897
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: him back in coverage against San Francisco forty Niners late

898
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: last season, so you know, now they want to see

899
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: him continu to to continue to expand excuse me, and

900
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: continue to grow. I think the same thought process is

901
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: with Dexter Lawrence at this point. Yeah, I thought that

902
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: was the two thousand nineteen draft guy, but to that

903
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,479
Speaker 1: eighteen draft guy, so clear I did not find Dexter

904
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: Lawrence in there, which I was hoping to do. Well,

905
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 1: what were you looking for? I'm trying to find Pro

906
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 1: Football Focus had an interesting stat and I think I

907
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: have the p d F on my UM computer. Here

908
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen draft out here we go, and they

909
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,880
Speaker 1: have his pass rush productivity and that doesn't just include sacks,

910
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: which I know a lot of people just look at,

911
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: but you know they end up looking at UM you know,

912
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: pressures and hurries and things of that nature, and I

913
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: think people didn't realize that dex Lawrence was actually ranked

914
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: fairly highly among defensive interior defensive lineman in terms of

915
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,799
Speaker 1: UM pass rush percentage. So there's run style, here's pass

916
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: rush productivity. So in terms of pass rush productivity for

917
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: interior defensive lineman UM, Dexter Lawrence was fourth of the

918
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: whole draft class in terms of pass rush productivity of

919
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: a fourteen point six two sacks, ten hits, twenty one hurries,

920
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: behind only Quentin Williams, Christian Wilkins, and then Zachary Williams

921
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: who played at smaller school in U A BA. So

922
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 1: he was not much different than the other top defensive

923
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: lineman in this class. Williams was far ahead of him,

924
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: but him and Christian Wilkins were were very very similar.

925
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 1: So I do think that those tools are there, and

926
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: it's those are some of the events thattistics. You look

927
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: at the see that he has those uh capabilities real quick,

928
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 1: want to hit Twitter, It's time for tweets. That's Giants

929
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: Jack from Clayton harding off the South Palantonio and Jeu

930
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 1: says South thinks the Giants quarterback position is a bigger

931
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 1: question more than Washington is no way. Well, Clayton, there's

932
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: a reason we didn't ask sal about the Redskins, and

933
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: I think it's probably the reason he didn't bring the

934
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: Redskins up in his answer to the question. I don't

935
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: think anyone really thinks that the Redskins are much of

936
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: a threat to win the division. So I think when

937
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: he went through the biggest questions in the division, he

938
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: included the Giants and the Eagles. We think that those

939
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 1: are the teams that could theoretically compete for being at

940
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: the top of the division. I don't think anyone would

941
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: argue that the Redskins quarterback situation right now is superior

942
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: to what the Giants have at their quarterback position. I

943
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: don't think anyone would argue that, No, they're in a

944
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: transition situation. I mean, case Keenum is not a long

945
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: term answer. They drafted Dwayne Haskins. You still have Cult McCoy.

946
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 1: By the way, there's no guarantee that Keenum and McCoy

947
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: make the team because they're gonna pay three veteran quarterbacks.

948
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: Alex Smith still counts against the cap. So you know that,

949
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: to me is a looming question surrounding the Washington Redskins. Yeah.

950
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 1: I mean there's just as much uncertainty in the future

951
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 1: of Washington as there is with the Giants. You can

952
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: argue that the Giants and the Redskins they feel they

953
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: have found the franchise quarterback, But I mean it's a

954
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: guessing game in terms of when does the transition occur.

955
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: I would say this, I think it's safe to assume

956
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: that Dwayne Haskins is going to see the field a

957
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: lot sooner than Daniel Jones because in Washington you're not

958
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: dealing with case Keena being a long established quarterback in

959
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: that system, with that franchise, the dynamics are very different,

960
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: whether it be from an emotional standpoint a production standpoint.

961
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: And also there is much more of a looming question

962
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: mark about the coaching situation too. John in Washington, you know,

963
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: Joe Bruden has been the first one to admit and

964
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: he jokingly said that when they were determining, you know

965
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: who's gonna get on hard knocks, and he said, you know,

966
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: you should go with the Raiders and my brother and

967
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: then somebody said, well, maybe they'll pick you next season.

968
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: He goes, I don't even wanna be here next season.

969
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: And he said it jokes me, but you know there

970
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: is a validity behind it. So the point is there's

971
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: urgency for them to figure that out. See what they

972
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: have in Washington, much more so than the Giants. Two

973
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: different emotional, physical type of conversation, different different points in

974
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: terms of where the observations are. All right, we have

975
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: three more calls and get them all in. Uh is

976
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: this Vmir or Vladimir? Dave and Chester, Pennsylvania? What's up? Vimir?

977
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing? We're good man?

978
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: What's going on? Uh? No? Man, just excided, just excided

979
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: about the upcoming season. I just wanted to know why,

980
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: like why it took so long. But I'm gonna you

981
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like revamped the offensive line because

982
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: you know, like the last Super Bowl we won, you

983
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: know what I mean, we had an offensive line and

984
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: if you don't keep your quarterbacks up right, you know

985
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: what I mean, you cannot make plays on the field. Well, Vmir,

986
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: they tried, and that's the thing they tried to do it.

987
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: You know, they drafted Western Richburg in the second round.

988
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: They drafted Justin Pugh in the first time, they drafted

989
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,439
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers in the first round. They gave free agent money,

990
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: um to To to Schwartz. They gave Frasier money to

991
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: other players. They just didn't pick the right guys and

992
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: and it didn't work out. So they tried. They just

993
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: frankly failed at it. The results didn't come out to

994
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: the way that they hoped. Yeah you yeah, you're absolutely right.

995
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: And I think I just think that this year is

996
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: gonna be different than everybody's thinking. Everybody's thinking that, you know,

997
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 1: the Giants is going to be the last in the division.

998
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: And you know we don't have Odell. Yeah we're gonna

999
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: miss Odell, but we got other pieces too. If everybody

1000
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: stay healthy, I think that, you know what I mean,

1001
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: I think that the same will be good. I'm not

1002
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 1: saying super Bowl, but now mean we'd be better than

1003
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: better than the last two years. Yeah, look, they better be.

1004
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think everyone expects the team to improve.

1005
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: You know, three and thirteen to five and eleven, big deal,

1006
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: you know, going from being you know, really bad to

1007
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: just playing bad. Okay, great, congratulations, don't stole on your

1008
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: parade for that. But I think you need to get

1009
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: into a situation any where you're around five hundred, you're

1010
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: playing in meaningful games. In December, and if you get

1011
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: there this year, next year you get all this cap space.

1012
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: If you transition to a young quarterback, we'll see how

1013
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: Eli plays and you go from there. Yeah. Absolutely, thanks

1014
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: for actual man, you too, good stuff. Call back to

1015
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 1: five one three. David Cranford's up next, hight. Dave. Hey, guys, man,

1016
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: First thing I want to say is um, just a

1017
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: little plug the Inside the Huddle podcast that you guys

1018
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 1: do awesome. Anyone who's listening to this should be listening

1019
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 1: to that. You just made Dave Dominicar, producer, very happy. David.

1020
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 1: He's doing back flips off the camera. He loves nothing

1021
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: more than to pat himself on the back, Dave. So really,

1022
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: we really appreciate you taking the time in your phone

1023
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: call to compliment him. In fairness, I also have a large,

1024
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: pretty large role in terms of getting those done. So

1025
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: I will also thank you for your kind words. Two

1026
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: of the three individuals in this room or patting each

1027
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 1: other on the back, David, nothing brings us greater joy

1028
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: than that activity. And now, now, now, now, Dave, now, Dave,

1029
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: by the way, here's what you should say. You should say.

1030
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: I loved all the giant subtle podcasts that pisodes except

1031
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 1: for the two that were hosted by Lance Medal that

1032
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: would that that would just be perfect. It was actually three.

1033
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: But well I certainly was the the the Antoine Bazo one.

1034
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: You know you're getting there, you go, but I'm not

1035
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: taking the pat on the back like the two of you. Okay,

1036
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: but anyway, but but I will say this, your your

1037
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: conversation with Palotono was awesome today. I can't disagree more

1038
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: or or just you know, the the idea of eighteen

1039
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: games and two guys to players, you know, people sitting

1040
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: to games and it just seems like a mess. And

1041
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: and I don't understand when I hear the players talk

1042
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: about the particularly the n b A, I just think

1043
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: you're you're comparing apples to sports cars. I mean, it's

1044
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 1: not apple to oranges. I mean, it's a completely different

1045
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: model and you're dealing with in the bottom line is

1046
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: the NFL players have to recognize that when they're sitting

1047
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: in the locker room, there's fifty three other guys in there.

1048
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: They're getting paid, and some guys just play defense and

1049
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: some guys play offense. It's a different business model. I

1050
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna get anywhere near that NBA model. No, look,

1051
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: and you're never gonna get there. In terms of the

1052
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 1: amount the individual players make. Could they get to a

1053
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: point where you know, they get more guaranteed money over

1054
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: shorter term deals. I don't think that's impossible, but that's

1055
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: gonna be a big thing because I think, you know,

1056
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: while the players are empowered in the NBA, I do

1057
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: think there's a significant downside to a lot of player

1058
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: movement to where you know, if you're sitting there and

1059
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 1: you're the you know, Oklahoma City Thunder, unless you draft

1060
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 1: a superstar player, you're not getting one. If you're ind

1061
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: Anna Pacers, unless you draft a superstar player, you're not

1062
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: getting one. You know, if you know, and what happens

1063
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 1: if Joanna said ted a coopo, I don't think you will.

1064
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 1: What if he leaves? What the heck were the Bucks

1065
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: supposed to do? You know? The Raptors just won a

1066
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: damn championship with Kawhi Leonard. Toronto is one of the

1067
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: six or seven biggest markets in the NBA. They did

1068
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: everything right, Kawhi Leonards still left, so, you know, right,

1069
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: and on the other side, is just the idea, the

1070
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: notion of a super team. Again in the NBA, where

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00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: you know two or three players played both ways, it's

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00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: all you need you get. You know, right now, everybody's

1073
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: got two great teams, you have three. Um in the NFL,

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00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do have fifteen twenty guys Because

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00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's just the difference

1076
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: of the sports. So anyway, I don't I don't want

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00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: to kill that. Well, just real quickly, David, just to

1078
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: add to your point and we'll let you continue. I mean, yeah,

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00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: it's not like high school football in the NFL, where

1080
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: guys are corners, their wide receivers, their punt returners. You know,

1081
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,800
Speaker 1: you have a separation between church and state as I

1082
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 1: like to call it, where you don't have much of

1083
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: an overlap unless a guy returns. So, yes, the dynamics

1084
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: on roster building are completely different. And the other thing

1085
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: that I think is an advantage for NFL teams, which

1086
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: is related to player movement that John was talking about.

1087
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: In the NFL, you got the franchise tag. That's why

1088
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: you never see superstar guys move, specifically the quarterback. That's

1089
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: some thing I think the players, I think that might

1090
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: be their one a issue. This year, I think they

1091
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: were gonna want to try to get rid of the

1092
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: franchise tag. You right, that's my opinion. But the reason

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00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: why I don't see it as that big of an

1094
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: issue is because it doesn't impact enough guys in the association,

1095
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: in the union that they're going to want to make

1096
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,520
Speaker 1: that a notable istion. That's a fair point to. It's

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00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,760
Speaker 1: a fair very few. It's a small percentage of NFL players.

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00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to be that significant

1099
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: of an issue. I think they got bigger fish to fry.

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00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Dave, you might that's great. The only

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00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: other thing I was gonna say was there's a lot

1102
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: of a lot of talk this year just about the

1103
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: roster and the players and all that sort of stuff.

1104
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: I actually think this year it's going to come down

1105
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 1: to which it always does, but it's not something that's

1106
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: talked about a lot, and that is the you know,

1107
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: is coaching for the Giants and specifically play calling. If

1108
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: you go I think the difference for the defense is

1109
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: gonna more be a matter of fact of better trusting

1110
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 1: the defensive secondary this year compared to what he did

1111
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,040
Speaker 1: last year. If you go back to the Dallas game.

1112
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: It was fascinating at the end of the game. You know,

1113
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: there was a third down on the fourth down from

1114
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: about the thirty yard line when we were ahead. He

1115
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: blitzed on third down, sent the house, Prescott threw the

1116
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: ball out of bound. He covered on fourth down, and

1117
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: grant you, Prescott made a heck of a throw and

1118
00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: a heck of a catch for the for the you know,

1119
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,800
Speaker 1: for Beasley who's not there anymore, but you know, to

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00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 1: to score. And I just thought it was a difference

1121
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: of the confidence. I think the way the Giants are

1122
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 1: going to manufacture pressure this year is gonna be a

1123
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: lot on Betcher and his scheme and his play calling.

1124
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: And you could say the same thing about Sherman and

1125
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: his play calling on the offense. And I don't think

1126
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: it's getting a lot of attention, but I think those two,

1127
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, roles on the team are going to have

1128
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: a big impact on our success this season. So thanks guys,

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00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: I love talking to you. Thanks Dave. Always been there

1130
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: from you and we appreciate you listening to The John's

1131
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: Little Podcast. And by the way, you might hear the

1132
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 1: South Palestonio interview drop on The John's Little Podcast a

1133
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: little teaser, so throw out there for you. I think

1134
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: he brings up a really good point about coaching. I

1135
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: think that Betcher also probably has a little bit more

1136
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: comfort with this year's unit, considering most of the guys

1137
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: have been in it already. He also added a few

1138
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: more former Cardinals, which I think helps in terms of

1139
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: the trust factor. But yeah, you know how he calls plays.

1140
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: You know when he chooses to be aggressive, when he

1141
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: chooses to be conservative. I want to build somewhat of

1142
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: a parallel. Not to get completely off topic, but we

1143
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: were talking to Darren Urban of Arizona Cardinals dot com

1144
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: last week. Paul and I John and he did a

1145
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: fantastic job breaking down the Cardinals and we actually asked

1146
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:35,919
Speaker 1: them about a lot of current Giants players because there's

1147
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: so much overlap. But you know, one of the things

1148
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: he pointed out was the Cardinals have faith in the personnel.

1149
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: They made the coaching change because they felt that's where

1150
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: the difference is going to be. And I'm not saying

1151
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: it's the exact same thing that's happening with the Giants,

1152
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: because the Giants are having a continuation of the staff,

1153
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:57,240
Speaker 1: but they believe there was strength on the roster. Now

1154
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: it's a matter of Cliff Kingsbury how he pushes the

1155
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: Bunnan's John, how Vance Joseph pushes the buttons on defense

1156
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: compared to Steve Wilkes, and also being a little bit

1157
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 1: more comfortable with their scheme because he runs a four

1158
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: three compared to the old three four that that was

1159
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 1: their mindset. So the phone call on the point that

1160
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 1: Dave made reminds me of what's going on in Arizona. Hey,

1161
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: look and look, you have to be able to prove

1162
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: to the coach that you can't be trusted though, And

1163
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna see in practice and in the preseason.

1164
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: You know, to do these guys cover well? And they'll

1165
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: watch that in practice and they'll no, guys are not

1166
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,880
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, bad in coverage in practice and

1167
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,439
Speaker 1: all of a sudden be good in games. That that's

1168
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: not how it works, or the coaches all of a

1169
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: sudden gonna have confidence in the guy after we can't

1170
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 1: do it in practice. I think it'll work that way. Okay,

1171
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: So that off to prove it. Final call the show

1172
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: is you see in New York City, You see what's

1173
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: going on, AHI, guys um someone call about flipping the hips. Yes, yeah,

1174
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: I did want to make a quick comment. Um, actually

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01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: flipping the hips in that term is actually referring to

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Speaker 1: the offensive linement. How quickly can you get to the

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: office environment to flip the hips, And that's how you

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Speaker 1: take advantage essentially on a one gas system. That was

1179
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:08,800
Speaker 1: that was my point. You said you have to be

1180
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 1: good enough side to side to get around the offensive

1181
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: linemen and if their numbers are no longer facing towards

1182
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: the quarterback and they have to turn their bodies, that's

1183
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: when you get your lane to the quarterback. Yeah. It. Secondly,

1184
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: Snaps Snaps Um of Snacks used to do this exactly

1185
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: because that he never gets squared. Everybody had this problem

1186
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: with Snacks about not turning him squared because back way

1187
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: you get leveraged. Now it's the same thing applies if

1188
01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: you use your hand and your feet quick enough to

1189
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: actually allow the offensive alignment to get their hands off

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01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: for you to make them turn their hips to get

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01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,320
Speaker 1: around the quarterback or around them in order for them

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01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: to react. All right, that's what you take the advantage

1193
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: of the other players. It's the same thing as the

1194
01:01:56,080 --> 01:02:00,439
Speaker 1: corners taking advantage while receiver, take advantage and corner as

1195
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: quickly you could take advantage of them flipping the hips,

1196
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,439
Speaker 1: that's when you won the match. Good stuff, you see.

1197
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Speaker 1: I appreciate the call. All right, thank thank you man.

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01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: Good stuff. And he's right. That is what sal was

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Speaker 1: referring to I miss book earlier. He's right, at least

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Speaker 1: I think he's right. Abously asked David Deal about that

1201
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 1: next time I see him on Wednesday. I'm not I'm learning.

1202
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: I've done some film sessions with David Deal. I'm not

1203
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:25,440
Speaker 1: completely you know, offensive line coach level, defensive line coach

1204
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: level knowledge of that stuff. So I have to ask

1205
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 1: David about that on Wednesday. But that but that does

1206
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: sound it right. The concepts the same. The point is

1207
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: that you've got to be able to stop the offensive

1208
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: lineman from being square on you and you get him

1209
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: to turn. And you know you have to do that

1210
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 1: by it being have good side decide agility as a

1211
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Speaker 1: defensive lineman. No, because flipping the hipsies right for defensive backs.

1212
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,439
Speaker 1: Flipping the hips is when you go from your back

1213
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,560
Speaker 1: pedal into your spread. That's what flipping the hips is.

1214
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:50,919
Speaker 1: So you're obviously not doing that for the defensive line.

1215
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:53,640
Speaker 1: So that's what he's talking about terms of the offensive

1216
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 1: defensive line play on the key is you're trying to

1217
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: get the offensive lineman out of position. That's essentially what

1218
01:02:59,640 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: the game plant is that the domino effect the game

1219
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 1: at chess, however you want to word it. The job

1220
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: is the pass rusher uses moves to get the offensive

1221
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: lineman to react, and then by the offensive lineman being

1222
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: at a position, it creates openings in lanes to get

1223
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: to the quarterback. Alright, couple of things I want to

1224
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: promote really quickly. Giant Subtle podcast right now. There's two

1225
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: up there that are somewhat recent since I've spoken to

1226
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: you last. I had conversations with both the assistance on

1227
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. UH. For

1228
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: the Giants, you don't have to hear from the assistant

1229
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: coaches much. This is about five or so minutes with

1230
01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: each guy. Each podcast is around twenty minutes long, so

1231
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: make sure you check that out. Those are up there

1232
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: will chat with the coordinators to preview training camp that

1233
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 1: will be coming up the the week training camp opens

1234
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 1: uh starting early next week. To make sure you check

1235
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: that out as well. And I'm just trying to talk

1236
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: to you. Were you part of the blackout? You must

1237
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: have been, right, was absolutely, I was certainly impacted. Thank goodness.

1238
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: It was only about three hours, so it was a

1239
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: short lived blackout. Were you home where you're working? When

1240
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 1: I was home? I just got it home, So that

1241
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: was a nice gift for me. So turn out. So

1242
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: how did you survive without the because you know Dave,

1243
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: you know he has a stream on his team be

1244
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: at home every day. It's just twenty four hours of

1245
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: Jordan highlights and have What was it like not having

1246
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: that for three consecutive hours. The struggle is real, my friend,

1247
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: The struggle is yeah, and I'm still recovering. It was

1248
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: that painful. I don't know how I got through it

1249
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 1: without those Jordan highlights. Yeah, Dave, he acted out Game

1250
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: six of NBA Finals with his action figures. That's right,

1251
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: at don't don't forget the play basketball too. Okay, it's

1252
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: not just the action figures. I myself put on the

1253
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: twenty three jersey and you know, get my shooting form correct?

1254
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,880
Speaker 1: Did you put on the elbow the elbow band and everything?

1255
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: The hold the whole nine yard. He wasn't one that

1256
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 1: always dressed up. It was more of a knee type

1257
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: of well he he had the one sweatband on the

1258
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: left form No, yeah, say well, but I I never

1259
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,480
Speaker 1: associated him synonymous with the apparel where he dressed himself up.

1260
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: There were other players that I would go in that direction,

1261
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 1: much more so than him. But no, I don't take

1262
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: it that far to answer your question. Okay, playtime is limited. Okay,

1263
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: I only have so much flexibility and re enact. So

1264
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we got that all out. Skeletons are

1265
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 1: out of my closet. I feel a lot better. I

1266
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: don't know about you. I'm feeling better because we're about

1267
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: to say goodbye. He have the deal with the two

1268
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: of us are pretty much all week folks who just

1269
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: get ready for that. We will continue to preview teams.

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Speaker 1: I know Eagles and Cowboys are later in the week.

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Speaker 1: Who do we have Tomorrow? The bills will be up tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: bills tomorrow, So make sure you come check it out

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Speaker 1: on on Big Boo, kick Golf Live on giants dot

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Speaker 1: com and Newton Tomorrow. Fer Lance Mittal, I'm John Schelk.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to South Palestonio. We'll see you then, have a

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Speaker 1: going