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Speaker 1: For me, music has begun like I actually have a

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Speaker 2: From Futuro Media and PRX. It's Latino Usa. I'm Maria Rosa.

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Speaker 2: Today Mexican singer songwriter Natalia la Fourgade invites us to

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Speaker 2: seek refuge in music. It took a while to get here,

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Speaker 2: but Natalia la Furgade wanted her latest albums to be

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Speaker 2: a total celebration of life with all of its vulnerability

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Speaker 2: of its own. So Natalia chose to share the Toda

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Speaker 2: las Flores at a special concert on one of the

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Speaker 2: most iconic stages in the world, Carnegie Hall in New

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Speaker 2: York City, and I dear listener, had the pleasure of

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Speaker 3: A loveavena sol slei mo OMOI.

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Speaker 2: Now, Carnegie Hall is huge. Natalia is pretty small, but

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Speaker 2: she lit up and took up the entire space. She

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Speaker 2: performed most of the new album right there Premium hearing

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Speaker 2: it live, and she also performed some selected songs from

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Speaker 2: her twenty year career.

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Speaker 3: I'm Godpalmu.

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Speaker 2: She brought the sounds of Mexico onto the stage and

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Speaker 2: also had some special guests, including David Byrne from The

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Speaker 3: Las miss.

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Speaker 2: Throughout the evening, Natalias sang about caring for her own

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Speaker 4: Netda's Las Flores quiram.

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Speaker 2: Ptodas Las Flores is Natalia's first album of all original

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Speaker 2: time of intense isolation at her house in Veracruz at

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Speaker 2: Natalia found herself listening to the sounds of her beloved

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Speaker 2: She began to process death during a time of so

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Speaker 2: more than ever. As much as she is influenced by

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Speaker 2: Her twenty fifteen album Asta Larais was inspired by her

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Speaker 2: Over the next five years, Natalia released two pairs of

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Speaker 1: Le conte.

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Speaker 2: In making her new album, latrodes, Natalia says she awoke

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Speaker 2: her career, I went down to Sony Studios in Manhattan

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Speaker 4: Connuestra LUs dels dilu.

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Speaker 2: Well, first of all, Natalia Lafourca, welcome to Latino, USA.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, thank you. It's a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: So I found it very interesting as we were preparing

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Speaker 2: why did you decide that you wanted to launch the

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Speaker 1: It wasn't really like a decision because it was more

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Speaker 2: So when you heard you're going to debut your album

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Speaker 2: then what did you feel when you were like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well, it's been something that we know since very long

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's see, we're in a beautiful Sony studio.

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Speaker 1: It's happening, and it's beautiful, and I feel so grateful

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking, does New York in particular have a particular

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Speaker 1: Somebody just right now was saying that I am an

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Speaker 2: You are one of those few artists that actually has

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Speaker 2: My son will listen and be just like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: For me, music has been always in my life, but

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a path, right, I think it's

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Speaker 5: And that's what I love it because it's infinite. And

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Speaker 1: You know when Ivista Social Club has been a very

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Speaker 2: Why do you think that going back into history is

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Speaker 5: Like, so for me, it's more like I don't really

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Speaker 1: Everybody might like it, but me personally, For me, it

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Speaker 5: And it feels the same with the music that I

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Speaker 1: Two times I said to the label, like, do you

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Speaker 5: Against the I don't know how you said, like Mola Corriente.

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Speaker 4: Rare Ayoomira kere Y Suziamo, Hey We're back.

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Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two was a big year for Natalia la Furgare.

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Speaker 2: When we left off in our conversation, we were talking

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Speaker 2: because again your music is okay. Somebody who is bringing

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Speaker 1: I am that that's me this person that is curious

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Speaker 5: You learn. You learn because you're approaching to new experiences.

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Speaker 1: Right. I love the music from my country, traditional folk music,

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Speaker 2: Your debut is in two thousand and two, solo debut

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Speaker 2: you're like a seasoned artist and you've been talking about

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Speaker 5: It's been a very organic evolution.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can say are growing understanding as I said,

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Speaker 5: So I think that's in this time.

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Speaker 1: I would say maybe that's the evolution so far for me,

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Speaker 5: It's not just me, it's something else, It's something John

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Speaker 5: I have overnight oats in my back, a banana and

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Speaker 2: So this is the glorified life of an artist.

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Speaker 5: Is Okay?

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Speaker 2: You work all the time and sometimes you don't eat.

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Speaker 5: Just that right now, but yeah, you're having an interview

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