1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:08,119 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. I'm Ryan mink 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: here with Garrett Downing, and we are going to break 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: down the Ravens thirteen to twelve preseason victory over the 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons here at M and T Banks Stadium. 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 2: A lot to like. 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: There are some splash plays, kind of an exciting preseason game, 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: goes down to the wire, down to the buzzer, Tavius 8 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: Robinson with the game winning play to seal the victory. 9 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: We're back on a winning streak, all right. So the streak, 10 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: the streak, the long streak ended. Yes, right, it was 11 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: the Commander's super Bowl last preseason. They got it. They 12 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: got it right. Then the Ravens lost one to the 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles to begin this year's preseason. You're like, wait 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: a second, now, we got a losing what's going on now? 15 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: This is when the winning streak begins. 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 2: We get back on track and the preseason win streak 17 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 2: is underway. 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: Exactly. 19 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing that I took away from 20 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: this game, I mean I think it was kind of 21 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: the Josh Johnson game to a certain extent. And finish 22 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: a game eleven of eleven undred twenty past yards a touchdown, 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: and I thought it was a. 24 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: One hundred and forty two point four quarterback grating that's 25 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: pretty good. 26 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 2: It is very good, and I thought it was. I 27 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 2: thought it was a really encouraging showing from him. And 28 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 2: the offense didn't look great last week, and you know, 29 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: Josh didn't have his best game last week, but you know, 30 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: the Ravens have been He's a veteran player who the 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: Ravens really life. They've liked him for years, and I 32 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 2: felt like this was it felt like it meant something 33 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: for him and this offense to get going a little bit, 34 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: to have that success for the passing game, you know, 35 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,119 Speaker 2: to get started. And I thought that in hearing him 36 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 2: talk afterwards, it just felt like it was something that 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 2: was significant for him to have a really quality showing here. 38 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think there is some outside noise around Baltimore 39 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: after that first preseason game about, you know, should the 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Ravens consider bringing in a different veteran quarterback, And people 41 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: have been throwing Ryan Tannehill's name around, and I've consistently 42 00:01:55,120 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: said there's no way that that's happening, because the the 43 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: biggest priority that teams want their backup quarterback is that 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: they can operate the system, they can operate the offense 45 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: efficiently and not make game costing mistakes. If you do 46 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: those two things, you're gonna put your game, especially with 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: the Ravens defense, You're gonna put the team in a 48 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: position to win. 49 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: Right. 50 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: And if you're the backup quarterback thrust in the action 51 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: in the regular season, that's all you can ask for 52 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: the backup. Right, You're not asking him to go out 53 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: there and win the game for you. You're asking him 54 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,839 Speaker 1: to put you in a position where you can win, right. 55 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: And I think that last week's preseason showing kind of 56 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: fell below that bar. 57 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: Right. 58 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't quality enough, it wasn't efficient enough. Well, you 59 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: can't get more efficient than eleven for eleven, right, And 60 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,079 Speaker 1: and there was the one mistake, but that wasn't Josh 61 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: Johnson's fault. Ben Cleveland snapped the ball too early as 62 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: Josh was still, you know, sending guys into motion. So 63 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: he played a really clean game. And I don't I 64 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: think it was important just for like quieting that noise, 65 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: you know, like that noise I think now fades into 66 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: the background. 67 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I mean, Josh Johnson has 68 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: it's been clear from for months now that he's going 69 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: to be the backup quarterback and that that the Ravens 70 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 2: are gonna roll with him behind. And there's a reason, 71 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 2: like there's a reason that Josh has been in the 72 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 2: league as long as he's had and it's played on 73 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 2: you know, just about every single team. It's because he 74 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: can operate systems efficiently. He can be trusted when called upon. 75 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 1: He's a smart quarterback. He's a good influence in the 76 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: quarterback room. Like the way that the impact that he 77 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: your backup has on the starter is also valuable. He's 78 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: a good sounding board, like being a longtime veteran for Lamar. Yeah, 79 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: and so there's a lot He's just a pro. He's 80 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: a pros pro and like, you know, if he got 81 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: thrown in there in a pinch, the Ravens feel confident 82 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 1: that he go in there and like execute this offense. 83 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I thought today showed that he could exactly 84 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 2: and you know, just to stick on the quarterbacks, you know, 85 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: as you continue down. Emery Jones also got extended work 86 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: last week's game. He had one snap and it was 87 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: it could not have gone much worse for Emory last 88 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: week he had one snap, had the strip sack, and 89 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: then that set up the game winning field goal for 90 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 2: the Eagles. This game, he comes out there and he 91 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: plays the majority of the second half with seven of 92 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: nine one hundred pounds, had had a touchdown, the long 93 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 2: fifty six yard touchdown to Dayton Wade and Emory Jones. 94 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: He showed something, I thought, and it was encouraging, you know, 95 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 2: for him to have that kind of that kind of game. 96 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,119 Speaker 2: Devin Leary, the other quarterback who played the six round 97 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: rookie three of five twenty four passing yards, so didn't 98 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: see as much action and also not as strong of 99 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: a game in comparison to Emery Jones or Josh Johnson. 100 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: But I thought that that Emory it was like, I 101 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: don't know, like what his NFL future holds, you know. 102 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: I think it would be tough. I mean, maybe he's 103 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: battling for a practice squad right right, But that would 104 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: only be if Devin Leary were carried on the fifty three, 105 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: then maybe they would. I don't They're not going to 106 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: carry more than three quarterbacks. They're just not going to 107 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, be shocked, and so really, Emory Jones, 108 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: you're putting it on tape for thirty one other teams, right, 109 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: and whether he gets a practice squad job for another 110 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: team or whatnot. I don't think it's going to be 111 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: here in Baltimore. That would be a surprise. 112 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: Well if they you know, if if they were trying 113 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: to decide, if it was between Devon Leary and Emery 114 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 2: maybe a practice squad stadpoint Really. 115 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: I think outplay the draft pick to take that spot. 116 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: But he could, right, I mean, that's what the game 117 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: is like. It's not handed to you just because you're 118 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: a sixth round draft pick, right, Like, if Emery Jones 119 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: beats him, he beats him. So maybe maybe he could 120 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: beat him out for a practice squad job here. Yeah. 121 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 1: If not, then you know you're putting it on film. 122 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, and if nothing else, I was happy for him 123 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 2: to have this kind of a game after the disappointment 124 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 2: of last week where he played one snap and it 125 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: just again, it couldn't have gone much worse, But to 126 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: go out there and have this type of showing I 127 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: thought it was. I thought it kind of said a 128 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: lot about him as a young player to be able 129 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: to bounce back from a real disappointment and have a 130 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 2: really nice game. So I was. I was not remember forever. 131 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, you threw this bomb long touchdown pass at Mt. 132 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: Banks Stadium in an NFL game. Yeah, you remember that 133 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life. 134 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought it was a pretty cool moment, pretty 135 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 2: cool game for him. 136 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: Yep. Moving on, I thought the outside linebackers were a 137 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: position group to watch, and I thought they did really well. 138 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: We already talked about Tavis Robinson getting the game winning 139 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: stop on the two point conversion. Now he's not somebody 140 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: that I came into the game thing. Oh, I'm gonna 141 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: keep a close eye on Tavius, Like roster spot is 142 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: very very secure for him. He's as close to, you know, 143 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: other than Trenton Simpson. I mean, Tavius Robinson will start 144 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: games this year. He's as close as probably to a 145 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: starter as you're gonna get who played in this game 146 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: on the Ravens defense right or offense other than the line. 147 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,239 Speaker 1: And so he played a good game. But with thrust 148 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: back in the action after desa Isaac left the game 149 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: late with what John Harbal called just cramps, and then 150 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: to see Tavias as second year player, come down, scrape 151 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: off the tackle and make that stop for no gain 152 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: two point conversion. That's just a cool play for him. 153 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: I mean, like you kind of forget he's only second 154 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: year player, Like he's looking to make splash plays improve himself. 155 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: Last year he played a lot of snaps. There weren't 156 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: a ton of splashes, right, Like, he's a physical, physical player, 157 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: and you saw it on that play. And John Harball 158 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: after the game even said, you know, you look up 159 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: play like a Raven that's that's Tavius Robinson. Yeah. 160 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: I thought that was a pretty strong and telling quote 161 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: from John Harbor to make that point. And I think 162 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: the other thing that's worth noting it and you mentioned this, 163 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 2: like I see Tavy's Robinson make that play at the 164 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: end of the fourth quarter, and you see guys who 165 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: are borderline starters in the end of at the end 166 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter, You're like, WHOA, what's going on here? 167 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: In preseason game you don't see that very often, especially 168 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: with the way things have trended for the Ravens. I'm like, 169 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: are they not high on Tavius Robinson? No, it's he 170 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,239 Speaker 2: was out of the game, then he went back into 171 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: the game. Because the rookie of desa Isaac kind of 172 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: cramped up late in the game, and so he went 173 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: back into the game in that situation and you know, 174 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 2: like he's still a guy that the reps are valuable 175 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: in the preseason. It's like he you know, Kyle, yeah, exactly, exactly, 176 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 2: a he's a young player who I think the reps 177 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 2: are valuable for. So he makes that play and he 178 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: said he feels like that. You know, it's really helping 179 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: his confidence. His confidence is growing, and making a play 180 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: like that in a in a pivotal preseason moment is 181 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 2: significant to him. 182 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I thought it was funny too, because 183 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: Chuck Smith just last week said, you know this guy 184 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: never turns down a rep. Yeah, never ever, And you know, hey, 185 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: here it is, you know, guy crams up. Tavius was 186 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: excited to get back in there. Hey man, I get 187 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: a chance to win maybe win the game. Here is 188 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: the last drive of the game, and he does it 189 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: comes through. So he's a good kid, man, any good player, 190 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: just really heavy handed, physical player. You know, he reminds me. 191 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: You know who he reminds me of a little bit 192 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: is Courtney Upshaw. And Courtney Upshall was a guy who 193 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: he was got more sacks in college, but he came 194 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: into the NFL and was not a very productive sack guy. 195 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: But he was a physical player and he had heavy 196 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: hands and he would rough up your tight end. He 197 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: would beat up some tackles. He just got there and 198 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: beat you up. That's what Tavi's Robinson is to me. 199 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: Very different body type. Yeah, Courting was shorter, stockier. You know. 200 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: Jared Johnson's another guy who said a very hard edge, 201 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: was known for being a physical, tough player, play like 202 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: a raven. Now is Jarrett Johnson Jared Like? In terms 203 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: of sack production, I thought, you know, he did pretty 204 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: well for himself consistently around I don't know, six sacks 205 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: a year. If Tavi's can get to that, Like, if 206 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: Tavies can go from the Courtney Upshall to the Jarrett 207 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: Johnson like that, that I think will be a step 208 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: forward for him. 209 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: It's kind of funny. I actually we were talking during 210 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: the game and I actually thought about a Courtney Upshaw comparison. 211 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: We were talking about Malik Harrison and yeah. 212 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: But Malik's like he's more of a versatle playletic. Yeah, 213 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: I mean COLDI Upshall is like a outside of Limaker 214 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: slash d Lineman. Didn't you convert to d line when 215 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: like late in his career he did. 216 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: That's just that's honestly because he has trouble with his weight, 217 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: but exactly he ended up sliding inside. But in terms 218 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 2: of just a rugged, edge setting guy, I think that 219 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: Malik has some of those same comparisons. And he's a 220 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: guy that played early in this game. Like I just 221 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: think Malie Harrison that he was making plays. 222 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: All over the field, but the press each other. He's 223 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: a good. 224 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: Important player and I think that, like I when we 225 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 2: had that conversation, I was thinking, he kind of reminds 226 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,319 Speaker 2: you of Courtney Upshaw, Like not gonna make a ton 227 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 2: of splash plays, but important player, really quality football player, 228 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: and you need those guys. 229 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: You never know when you're gonna have a conversation just 230 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: going and you're talking about Courtney Upshaw on this podcast. 231 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: Maybe Tavie's Robinson is going to get a forced fumble 232 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: in the super Bowl. 233 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: That would be pretty good. I would take that, or 234 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: or maybe deliver one of those iconic kids. I mean, 235 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 2: going down the full Courty Upshall history here that that 236 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: hit against Big Band was maybe one of the biggest 237 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: ever seen. And if he can have a hit like 238 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 2: that on one of these you know Steelers quarterbacks, that 239 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 2: that'd be nice just to stick out the pass rushers 240 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: to bring it back to the twenty twenty four races, 241 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 2: be like, hell yeah, to bring it back to this 242 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,040 Speaker 2: year's team. The pass rushers were a point of of 243 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: interest in this game. So we already mentioned that Desa 244 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: Isaac he made his preseason debut. You know, he has 245 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: been kind of on the shelf. He was on the 246 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: shelf earlier in training camp dealing with a hamstring injury, 247 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 2: basically missed the entire offseason program, and so he's still 248 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 2: he played today, but it is still he's still working 249 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 2: through it. And John Harbot even said after the game, 250 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 2: like the conditioning, he's still working on that and we'll 251 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: see how he feels like tomorrow he's going to be 252 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: sore and like it's gonna it's a question as to 253 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: whether he's going to be able to play in next 254 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: week's game, just as he's continuing to work through this 255 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: hamstring entry. 256 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally. And I thought while he was out 257 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: there that DEDSA flashed a little bit. So notice him 258 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,599 Speaker 1: on one play chase it down, h you know, is 259 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: tackle four yards down the field or three or four 260 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: yards down the field. They could have been bigger, but 261 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: the hustle on that played and chased it down from behind. 262 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: He's a big physical dude and uh and and he 263 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: flashes on it with his pass rush too. So I 264 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: thought it was a you know, conditioning aside and leaving 265 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 1: the field obviously due to injury. You don't ever want that. 266 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: But I thought that he had a pretty good debut. 267 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: And the other one is David a job talking to debuts. 268 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: Now, that one's really important. Yeah, I mean I think 269 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: Adisa is too. But a Jabo is a key player 270 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: in the Ravens pass rush this year. 271 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he did not practice, not did not 272 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: play last week because it was not medically cleared. Got 273 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 2: the clearance to play in this game. And you know, 274 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: I thought like it was up and down. I think 275 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: there was one play that one the best that I 276 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 2: saw from him. He made a spin move and then 277 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 2: a pass rush on one of these plays free run. Yeah, 278 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,839 Speaker 2: and it was well, he got himself a free run 279 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: based on the spink exactly. It's all they forgot to 280 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 2: block him. 281 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: Run, yeah exactly, Yeah, he had he did a spin. 282 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: It was an early win. It was a fast Win 283 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,079 Speaker 1: on that spin move and then had a free shot 284 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: at the quarterback and delivered a big hit. 285 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really nice play by him and 286 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 2: good move. And so if he can if he can 287 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 2: make those types of moves, I think that that will 288 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: go a long way for this pass rush. 289 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 290 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: I think Ramba, it's consistency. Like he guy has barely 291 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: played football in two years, and so like it's going 292 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: to be about consistency. He's going to have to do 293 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: all the things that outside linebacker does get after the quarterback, 294 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 2: set the edge, be physical. 295 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: I thought that was an important note from John Harwall 296 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: said he thought he played pretty well in run defense. Yeah, 297 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: and set a physical edge, And that's important for David Dajabo. 298 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: As much as you want to you're just hey, go 299 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: get the quarterback. You're freakishly athletic, this big, fast guy. 300 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, if teams decided to run it at you, 301 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: you cannot be a liability out there. And so I 302 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: don't know that that's ever. He's not Tavius Robinson, but 303 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: he needs to hold up well enough as a run 304 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: stopper that it's not a problem. 305 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was encouraged though with the Chobough like, I 306 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: was happy, of course to see him on the field. 307 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 2: I thought he played. I thought he played pretty well 308 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: given that this was his first time on the field 309 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: since the knee injury last year, and I think it's 310 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 2: a good step for him. 311 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: I agree. I agree right this. 312 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,079 Speaker 2: Second quick break, and then when we come back, we'll 313 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 2: dive into some of the other big points of the game. 314 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Lounge podcast. We're coming to you 315 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 2: from the Sea Geek Studio. We also want to give 316 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: shout out to our friends at Draft Kings Sportsbook. They 317 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: are an official sports betting partner of the Baltimore Ravens 318 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 2: Draft Kings Sports Book. The Crown is yours. So some 319 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: of the other notes from this game that stood out 320 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: to me that I wanted to hit on, you know, receiver, 321 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: I think was a position where we saw some guys 322 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 2: make plays. Tylan Wallace had a big catch over the middle. 323 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: I think he's helped himself in this training camp and 324 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: I think he continued to do that today. Dayton Wade, 325 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: he had the big play of the day, a fifty 326 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: six yard for a touchdown and unstep move got double move, 327 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 2: it just got wide open. Yeah, I mean that's his 328 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: wide open as you're gonna get and he earned it. 329 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: I mean, the double move the corner bit hard on 330 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 2: that one and date Way was wide open with nothing 331 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: mc greenngrass in front of him, and Everie Jones hit 332 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: him for that touchdown. So I thought he was a 333 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,839 Speaker 2: guy that at the start of camp was like, maybe 334 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 2: he's got a shot here, you know, for one of 335 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: these final roster spots. I don't know if he's gonna 336 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: get it, but he helped himself mad like that. 337 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean in the first preseason game, 338 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: he led the team in receptions, in receiving yards. It 339 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: wasn't massive production, but he was the leader. But you know, 340 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: I still feel like Tollon Wallace has the edge being 341 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: the veteran. I think he has a special team's edge. 342 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: That's a lot of what I'm watching. I thought that 343 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: Keith Kirkwood two catch ups for thirty seven yards. He's 344 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: continued to make plays and he didn't practice. But you know, 345 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: it comes down to the special teams in a way, and 346 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: and that's where I think they're trying to get a 347 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: look at a lot of these guys. Dayton Wade's a 348 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: smaller player. If he's not gonna be a returner, which 349 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: Deontay Hardy projects to be your top returner. Then I 350 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: think it's a little bit it's kind of hard for 351 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: Dayton Wade to make the team, you know, because he's 352 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: not gonna be You're a big blocker here in these 353 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: scrums on kickoffs for example, and so it's tougher for him. 354 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: Another guy, Malik Cunningham three catches twenty eight yards, had 355 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: a nineteen yarder and another one that moved the chains 356 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: on fourth down. I thought it was a good game 357 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: from Leak. But similar to Dayton Wade, how do you 358 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: make the fifty three man roster, you know, I think 359 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: I think it's tougher for somebody like that who's not 360 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 1: a blocker or a physical player on covering kicks or 361 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: returning kicks. Yeah, and more punts. Yeah. 362 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: The other note at receiver is Devontes Walker, the rookie. 363 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: He went through pregame warm ups, but to not play 364 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: in the game. Why not while he's still dealing with 365 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: this rib injury. Han Harball said, actually the game, So 366 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: you know, I think that I don't know the severity 367 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: of this injury, but the fact that he's going through 368 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 2: warm ups suggests that like that's that's encouraging, but you know, 369 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: rib that's one of those things where you get you know, 370 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 2: you're not gonna get hit pregame warm ups, so so like, look, 371 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 2: it's better than not being able to do that, but 372 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: there's another step to be able to get on the 373 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: field for an actual game. You know, he's a guy 374 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: that I think came into camp with a lot of potential, 375 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: but you know, hasn't been on the field as much 376 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: as you like as of late. And we'll see. I 377 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: think he's gonna be on the fifty three manters roster, 378 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: you know, I think that that's gonna be the case 379 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 2: for him. But I do think you wonder what kind 380 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: of production can you expect out of him in the 381 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: regular season, because I think everybody when he was drafted 382 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: as the fourth ront pick was kind of like, ah, 383 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 2: he's a fourth receiver. Him and Nelson Aguilar kind of. 384 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: Will take the top off the defense. And yeah, I mean, 385 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 1: right now as it stands, you have obviously the z 386 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: A Flowers or shot Baitman and Nelly. You're gonna get targets. 387 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: You have two tight ends, and Mark Andrews and Isaiaha 388 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: likely who are going to get targets and Charlie Kohler 389 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: is gonna get the ball thrown in his way some too. 390 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: That's that's six guys right there, easy that are going 391 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: to get a bunch of targets. So how important you 392 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: know not to mention your running back targets throw in 393 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: to those guys. So you know, not a ton of 394 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,479 Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, but Justice Hill will catch the balls whoever 395 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: the third you know, once Keat Mitchell gets back all 396 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: that stuff like, So, I just don't know how many 397 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: targets a fourth wide receiver is gonna get on this team. Yeah. 398 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: The other guy that I'll just mention quickly at receivers 399 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: Deonta Hardy playing, which honestly, I think he's more of 400 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: a he's he's more of a special team right. 401 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: Like he's return he Honestly, if you're talking about the 402 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 1: next guy with that I listed, he might be it. 403 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, And like I think we're just still trying to 404 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: figure out what his like, what his game is, how 405 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 2: much he's gonna be involved because he didn't he wasn't 406 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 2: here at all during the offseason and has been kind 407 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 2: of on and off the field. It was good for 408 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 2: him to play in game action, and I think that, 409 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: you know, I think he's gonna be the rate of 410 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: starting return I think they've got a lot of confidence 411 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: in him. It's like he made big plays out there. 412 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 2: But John Harwall said after the game he caught those 413 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 2: returns going backwards. In an actual game, he would probably 414 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: let them fall and going to the end zone, but 415 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,440 Speaker 2: didn't want to do that in this situation right where 416 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 2: you want these reps. So you know, I think that 417 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 2: I expect him to be the starting returner, and I 418 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 2: just think it's important for him to be on the 419 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: field and stay healthy and prove that he can kind 420 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: of withstand that and the injuries that he dealt with 421 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 2: early in camp or behind him. 422 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: And he showed a little juice as a receiver this 423 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: week in practice. He didn't see it in the game, 424 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: but we saw it in practice. 425 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:16,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. 426 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: The offensive line obviously a position group that we've all 427 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 1: talked about a lot this off season. Was there anything 428 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: from this game that gave you any more indication of 429 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: who the starters are going to be or who deserves 430 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: those last roster spots On the. 431 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: Other line, Well, look, I mean angry Bourhes once again 432 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: started at left guard and Daniel Foley started at right guard, 433 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: and so I think that I think that that's going 434 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 2: to be the offensive line. And I think at right tackle, 435 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to be Roseen Garden 436 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 2: or mcarry, but I know I mentioned this on the 437 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: podcast earlier this week. As it stands right now, I 438 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 2: kind of think the Ravers are going to go with 439 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: a rotation early in the season at right tackle with 440 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 2: McCarry and rose Garden. They've done that in the past. 441 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 2: Not a lot of teams do that, but obviously Roseen 442 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: Garden being a rookie, you know, mcarrey being a guy 443 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 2: who can play all these different positions. I just think 444 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: that they go with a rotation there. 445 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: I don't know. That would not surprise me at all. 446 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 2: I don't know who gets to start, Like which one 447 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 2: they get, you're. 448 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: Going to rotate. McCarey's going to get the start. They're 449 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: going to give the nod to the better. 450 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that that could be the way 451 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: that they approach it. Ben Cleveland, you know he had 452 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 2: the bad snap. You know, he snapped it too soon 453 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: over Josh Shawn's head. You know that was you know, 454 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: that was a bad moment for him. I think that 455 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: the interesting thing on Cleveland that the Ravens are going 456 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: to have to decide is do they need him as 457 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 2: a backup center because. 458 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: The expectations Tyler Linenbaum will be back. 459 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 2: Right Tyler Lindaman has been sidlined for a couple of weeks, 460 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: but there's been no indication that he's going to miss 461 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: regular season action. So obviously that would be a you know, 462 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: big problem if he did, but there's been no indication 463 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: that's gonna be the case. So do you need Cleveland 464 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: as a backup center? Are you comfortable with McCarry being 465 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: a backup center? But it's tough to have McCarey as 466 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: your backup center if he's also you're starting right tackle, we. 467 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: Can't right If they're doing a rotation at right tackle, 468 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 1: then yes, you need Kerry Bank Cleveland or Nick Semak 469 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: the rookie, seventh round rookie, But my expectation would probably 470 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: be that that would be Ben Cleveland. Yeah, because he 471 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: obviously also helps give you depth of guard, which is 472 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: his natural position. They've been giving Bank Cleveland a lot 473 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: of snaps at center to kind of adds his versatility 474 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: and see if that is a combination that will work. 475 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Snapping the ball over the quarterback's head or past the 476 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: quarterback's head too early is not a good. 477 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 2: That doesn't work. 478 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: That doesn't Yeah, that's not helping the case. But is 479 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: that enough to bump him out of that spot? I don't. 480 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. Yeah, but I 481 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: don't know. 482 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 2: I mean, because if he's again if I don't know who, 483 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 2: I think that he is the clear backup center. If 484 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: mccuriously playing on the right side, like. 485 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if if if Rosengarten's taking all the 486 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: snaps at right tackle then carries your backup center, yeah, 487 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 1: and then mc carries your backup right tackle, right. But 488 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't know that that's going to be the case. 489 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 2: So going back to your question, I think that, like 490 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: the starting line is coming into focus for me and 491 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 2: what that's gonna look like. What I think is important 492 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 2: now is just to get better, you know. I think that, 493 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,359 Speaker 2: like you know, Andrew Vorhees is a guy who obviously 494 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: didn't play football last year. He's been he's been reliable 495 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: throughout training camp and it's been I think good and 496 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: important just to be durable after missing last year. 497 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, he he had a tough moment though here 498 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: he gave up a sack on that the end of 499 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: the Ravens first drive, and then that was a pretty 500 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: that was a clean beat yeh, beat on that. Yeah, 501 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: And Josh Johnson got sacked for a big loss on 502 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: third down. So you know that's you don't want to 503 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: see that, right, And we'll have to look at the 504 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: rest of the tape to really judge that performance. But 505 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: you know, he again to your point, I think you 506 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: got to get better, right, It's not it's not just 507 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: about determining the starters. It's like those guys have to 508 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: be good enough to beat the Chiefs. Yeah, right, and 509 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: and and it's not necessarily right now. I think, like, oh, 510 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: it's a problem of like we have too many guys 511 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: that are way too talented and oh gosh, how are 512 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: we gonna pair this down. It's like, we got to 513 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: find three guys that good good enough to do the 514 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: job right and and like and I think they will 515 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: be there, like I've written and said many times, like 516 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: these are young players, right, and to expect him to 517 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: be great right now is unrealistic. They're gonna get better 518 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: over the course of the season. That, you know, the 519 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: Ravens have fate. They're talented guys, they're hardworking. All that 520 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: stuff like the loss of their coach, Joe Diel Sandris 521 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 1: doesn't help, you know, but the Ravems are confident that, 522 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: you know, they'll be able to withstand that with George 523 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 1: Warhop And just. 524 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: If listeners aren't aware, Joe Deela Sandris was hospitalized last 525 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 2: week and he is he is not coaching for the 526 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: time being, you know, indefinitely, as he gets healthy again 527 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 2: and is brought in George Warhap as a team's new 528 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: offensive line coach. That's why he's just to fill in 529 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 2: the gap there. People didn't know. 530 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah, so that doesn't help with this whole situation. 531 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, like that group 532 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: has to be good enough to beat the Chiefs, like 533 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: I said, doesn't have to be a strength of the team. 534 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: It can't a liability, right, And I think that, like 535 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 2: I think that Vorhees has probably done enough to win that. 536 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 2: I don't know if they're gonna make any you know, 537 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: if John Harby's gonna come out and make any declarations 538 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 2: about who the starters are. But to me, like he's 539 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 2: he's taken basically all the first team reps in practicing 540 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: to see somebody else at left guard. I think that 541 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 2: Vorheas has done enough there and the same way. 542 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been at right guard consistently. 543 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 2: He has been at right guards sistem. 544 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: It would be a surprise to see. I mean, Cleveland 545 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: hasn't be getting right right you know, has been taking 546 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: right guard reps, So like, who else would it be? 547 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 2: Right? And if if Cleveland we're going to be the 548 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: right guard, I don't think that he would be getting 549 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 2: all these reps at the center, you know, I think 550 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 2: that he would be. They would want to. I think 551 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 2: that this week in practice, if there's a shake up there, 552 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 2: that's kind of the last opportunity to think that there's 553 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: gonna be a big shake up on the offensive line 554 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: prior to Week one, and so that'll be something to watch. 555 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 2: The Ravens have these joint practices with the Packers coming 556 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: up this week. 557 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: Uh. 558 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 2: The one other guy that'll point to is who I 559 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 2: just think continues to look good on the defensive side 560 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: of Trent and Simpson. 561 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,959 Speaker 1: You know, I just I just pass break up quarterback 562 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: hit uh like kind of shirked off to uh two 563 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: blockers to get to the quarterback. Very p QS play. 564 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Patrick creen made a lot of plays as 565 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: a blitzer last year is very very quality blitzer. And 566 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: I think that you're seeing the same from Trenton Simpson. 567 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: He was after the game said, you know, man, no, 568 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: the last last thing I need to do here is 569 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: get a sack. That's what I want to do. You know, 570 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: I deflected a pass. I want to get that sack. 571 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: And I think he's gonna get some this year. 572 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 2: Well you can say this for the regular season. Don't 573 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 2: use them all up here in the preseason. Don't use 574 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,679 Speaker 2: them all up on the preseason. H So, yeah, those 575 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 2: are our takeaway from this game. 576 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: Bo Braid Braid, Yeah, I thought it was pretty solid. 577 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: He almost had the interception that it. 578 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 1: Looked like an interception to me even on replay. 579 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: Well the official state the bias t Yeah, I think 580 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 2: I think that that's it. It wasn't an interception, it 581 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 2: was a pick. 582 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: In my mind, it counts for Bo Braid. He also 583 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: led the team in tackles that would have been a 584 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: sick pick it would have been uh and led the 585 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: team in tackles. So I thought it was pretty solid 586 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: showing for Bo Braid and that's as an interesting that's 587 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: another question. Is the safety the safety position, you know, 588 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: do you count our areas more? You know it is 589 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 1: he your for safety slash slack corner? Do you carry 590 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: another one of these safeties between Sanucy Canaan bo Braid 591 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: that that's an open competition in my opinion. 592 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, So let us know what you thought of the 593 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: game and also what questions you have for us. You 594 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: can email us at the lounge at Ravens dot NFL 595 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 2: dot net. This is the last time we're going to 596 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: be at Mtbay Stadium before the home opener against the 597 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: Las Vegas Raiders. It's going to be that's coming up 598 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: after the Chief Scam think our September fifteenth, So we 599 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: got a little while here before we're gonna be back 600 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: here at the bank. But it was good to be here. 601 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: Send us your questions, thank you for listening, and we 602 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 2: will be back with you later this week.