WEBVTT - Easter Island (Update)

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fair doubting and Chuck reboarding. And you guys know

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<v Speaker 1>that we really love a good historical mystery. It allows

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<v Speaker 1>for so much interesting discussion. I think, a discussion of

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<v Speaker 1>different theories, sometimes compelling one, sometimes less plausible sounding theories,

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<v Speaker 1>and then sometimes just completely lucky out their idea, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm glad that we at least get to

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<v Speaker 1>mention those most of the time. But we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a historical mystery today. And since Judge explorers

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<v Speaker 1>first arrived at Easter Island in the seventeen hundreds, people

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<v Speaker 1>have wondered about the tiny, remote locations. Most startling feature

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<v Speaker 1>the gargantuan carved stone statues called moi, and in the

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<v Speaker 1>past people tended to focus more on how the islands

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<v Speaker 1>people got ar to this really really far out location

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<v Speaker 1>and who built the moai. So, for instance, the Norwegian

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<v Speaker 1>adventure tour hired all of Kantigie fame suggested that Peruvian

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<v Speaker 1>pre Inca came to the island and built these statues themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and Swiss author Eric von Donnigen even thought that they

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<v Speaker 1>were built by aliens, you know, a classic catch all

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<v Speaker 1>for the most impressive building. Today, though most of these

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<v Speaker 1>questions are answered, interdisciplinary evidence points to the inhabitants coming

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<v Speaker 1>by boat from the Polynesian Islands in the South Pacific,

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<v Speaker 1>so the focus has been more on how these gargantean

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<v Speaker 1>statues were moved and what led to the populations collapse

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<v Speaker 1>pre European contact, and recently new information on both of

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<v Speaker 1>these points has come out questioning the predominant idea about

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Island's darker history. It's environmental degradation and the MOA.

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<v Speaker 1>I pardon it, but before we give too much away here,

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<v Speaker 1>let's take listen to Candis and Jane's podcast from two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>editor Candis Gibson, joined by staff writer Jane McGrath. Hey, Candis, Jane.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that if I could go any place in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, it would be Easter Island. Really, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful place. Have you been. I haven't. I've just seen pictures,

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<v Speaker 1>but it looks beautiful. I am kind of obsessed with it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was looking at videos of Easter Island the

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<v Speaker 1>other day and I stumbled upon this fabulous piece of information,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is that Easter Island has its own marathon.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I love love running long distances. I love

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<v Speaker 1>half marathons and full marathons. And I'm very slow. I

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<v Speaker 1>won't profess to be the first line or even like

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<v Speaker 1>the eight hundred, but I don't think there'd be anything

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<v Speaker 1>cooler than running around the moai of Easter Island. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that big of an island. Actually, I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at it. I mean I saw that it was

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<v Speaker 1>about sixty four square miles and that's about I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just to see the point of reference, like, it's about

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<v Speaker 1>the same size is Washington, d C. It is itty bitty. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>it is in the middle of nowhere. I think it's

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<v Speaker 1>closest land neighbor. I guess a big land neighbor. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are other islands smattered around nearby, but not

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<v Speaker 1>too close by would be chilly. And that is about

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand two miles away. That's right. If you look

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<v Speaker 1>at a globe, it looks like just a tiny little

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<v Speaker 1>spook on the globe. And it's fascinating that people were

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<v Speaker 1>able to find it as early as they did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>considering that these are the Polynesians who were not quite

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<v Speaker 1>sure where they came from, and we're not quite sure

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<v Speaker 1>why they left, whether there was some sort of dispute

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<v Speaker 1>the Rows, or whether some got ambitious and wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>start their own colony elsewhere. But because the Polynesians are

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<v Speaker 1>such great sailors and navigators, they were able to make

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<v Speaker 1>it to this island. We know that they sailed and

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<v Speaker 1>wooden boats that were probably lashed together with reeds wrapped

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<v Speaker 1>really tightly like ropes, and they were probably a drift

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean for about two weeks before they hit

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<v Speaker 1>land Easter Island, and that was around four a d.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you can understand how archaeological evidence can't really

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<v Speaker 1>indicate like what exactly motivated these people because they ended

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<v Speaker 1>up being isolated on this island for so long. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>speaking of isolation, we're not sure how many went the

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<v Speaker 1>first time, and when they arrived at Easter Island, we're

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<v Speaker 1>not sure if they settled there because they had picked

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<v Speaker 1>it and they knew it existed and that was their

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<v Speaker 1>final destination, or if they were so desperate they thinked

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<v Speaker 1>any land that they could have seen, and regardless, they

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<v Speaker 1>actually came very prepared for for being ready to survive

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<v Speaker 1>wherever they landed. Yeah, they had a type of leafy

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<v Speaker 1>green with them to grow. They had sweet potatoes and

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<v Speaker 1>bananas eline. Now, who doesn't love a sweet potato gosh um.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they also had a couple of chickens. And

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<v Speaker 1>again when they pulled up to Easter Island, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine how they must have felt, because parts

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<v Speaker 1>of Easter Island were just gorgeous, a very verdant paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that today archaeologists suspect that there may have

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<v Speaker 1>been at one time sixteen million palm trees, just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an eden in the middle of the ocean. But the

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<v Speaker 1>part that they docked at was a less welcoming landscape.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing about Easter Island, as tiny as

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<v Speaker 1>it is, this little triangle shaped island has very diverse

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<v Speaker 1>landscapes that has white sandy beaches, and then it has

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<v Speaker 1>this very jagged and forbidding cliffs, and it has a

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<v Speaker 1>volcano and volcanoes and palm trees. So who is what

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<v Speaker 1>they thought? But they set to task, and they did

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<v Speaker 1>pretty well. They cultivated the land, and they increased their population,

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<v Speaker 1>and they became a very sophisticated society. Yeah, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see you how it was probably pretty hard at first,

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<v Speaker 1>especially because they brought most of their sustenance with them,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, and what was actually on the island

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<v Speaker 1>itself before they came there was not much. There were

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<v Speaker 1>there were lizards, maybe an insect um, but but they

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<v Speaker 1>actually had to start from the ground up mostly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>They were able to hunt dolphins and other types of

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<v Speaker 1>fish in the waters. But it's important to note that

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<v Speaker 1>Easter Island is not just remote as far as people

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<v Speaker 1>go and animals. Like you were saying, there aren't very

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<v Speaker 1>many nutrients in the water, or there weren't at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>and so not much could be sustained. So there were

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<v Speaker 1>birds that would pass over, and some people think that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it got to be such a verdant little paradise,

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<v Speaker 1>is that the birds would bring seeds that they deposited.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is actually a point of contention about like

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<v Speaker 1>how things got there and and um, etcetera, because some

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<v Speaker 1>historians claim, like we're trying to figure out where the

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<v Speaker 1>original people came from, and some historians claim, oh, these

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<v Speaker 1>people came from Chile, obviously, like that's the closest land. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But when explorers eventually stumbled upon the island, the European explorers, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>a Polynesian on the ship was actually able to converse

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<v Speaker 1>with the people there, and so that's so they were

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<v Speaker 1>obviously speaking of variation on Polynesian. So they think the

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<v Speaker 1>people came from Polynesia. And so we could tell y'all

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<v Speaker 1>about Easter Island all day, and if you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>much about it, you may be saying, okay, sure, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's a tiny little island, things are green, people came

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<v Speaker 1>from nowhere. Great, But the really important thing about Easter

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<v Speaker 1>Island is the mo I, and ultimately the Moi brought

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<v Speaker 1>about the height of the civilization. And then they're very

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<v Speaker 1>very darkest hour and the history of Easter Island not

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<v Speaker 1>just how they got there, because that part is interesting

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<v Speaker 1>in and of itself, but it gets so haunting and

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<v Speaker 1>it really gives me chills every time I think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>These people had a very specific religion and culture, and um,

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<v Speaker 1>their spirituality was manifested through art, you know, storytelling and

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<v Speaker 1>string figures and sculpture. And then they got to Easter Island.

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<v Speaker 1>The volcanoes and the quarries had all of this ash

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<v Speaker 1>that was perfect for making sculpture, and so they made

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<v Speaker 1>these giant heads and they're very stylized looking. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen a picture of them, I would encourage you

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<v Speaker 1>to look at the Easter Island Moi and what people

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<v Speaker 1>usually asso associate with Easter Islands these huge hits huge

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<v Speaker 1>And what I found interesting is that there actually found

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<v Speaker 1>other places, like other other cultures did have something like this,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was the Easter Islanders who actually like they

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<v Speaker 1>had the most sophisticated in the biggest and the most

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<v Speaker 1>incredible ones. Well, and you have to wonder too, I

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<v Speaker 1>think they might have gotten bored and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of competitiveness among them because they would build these

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<v Speaker 1>giant giant heads. And just to give you guys an

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<v Speaker 1>idea average average wise, they could weigh up to eighty

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<v Speaker 1>two tons and stand up to thirty two ft high.

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<v Speaker 1>They were huge. They were just giant heads. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have nacks, but they had these really long earlobes and

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<v Speaker 1>they were very stylized, and their features to their long

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<v Speaker 1>noses and their eyes are sometimes ornamented with coral or absitian,

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<v Speaker 1>but they look very phallic and perhaps archaeologists say that's

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<v Speaker 1>because the population was always struggling to reproduce, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were fertility gods. I believe they were. They were so

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<v Speaker 1>they could be phallic in homage to fertility GUIDs and um.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of which, because the population was so challenge they

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<v Speaker 1>had to inbreed. And so even to this day you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find some Easter Islanders who have six toes on each foot.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very interesting, and I guess it also probably stems

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<v Speaker 1>from the fact that they had a class system even

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<v Speaker 1>within this tiny island. Their population had a class of

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<v Speaker 1>like an upper class and a working class sort of thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and I imagine that contributed to separating how people bread.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. And when it came to the moi,

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<v Speaker 1>this was such a manifestation of honor and spirituality. I

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<v Speaker 1>think everyone was a participant, no matter the class. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that for a fact, but I would assume

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<v Speaker 1>that people would come together and there was a very

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<v Speaker 1>specific process with creating the moi. The artist would start

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<v Speaker 1>in the quarry and start, you know, putting the rock

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<v Speaker 1>together and carving it down and chiseling it, and essentially

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<v Speaker 1>it would be sort of on like a little block

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<v Speaker 1>on the Tommey finished carving it, and they would create

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<v Speaker 1>these deep rivets alongside the block. So finally there was

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<v Speaker 1>just like a tiny little sliver of stone that connected

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<v Speaker 1>the head to the quarry and this was the keel.

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<v Speaker 1>And once they could sever the keel, they would lay

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<v Speaker 1>the head on a series of of logs. We'd imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>and archaeologists are in dispute about how they transported these heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>heavy monoliths. Yeah, and it's it's sort of like the

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<v Speaker 1>stone hinge of Easter Island, because people are historians are

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<v Speaker 1>boggled by the fact how could these people have the

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<v Speaker 1>technology in the in the in the ingenuity, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>to move these humongous structures. And that's like a huge

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<v Speaker 1>feat it is. And so people either imagine that about

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<v Speaker 1>seventy men got together and pulled them with ropes fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>from parts of trees, or else they laid them on

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<v Speaker 1>a series of logs in which two layers of logs

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<v Speaker 1>to be perpendicular to each other. They'd grease them with

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<v Speaker 1>palm oil and they'd roll them on a platform. And

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine this was such a painsticking process. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that it could take up to two weeks to move

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<v Speaker 1>the MOI important to them exactly. It was very important

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<v Speaker 1>to them because they put such labor into it, and

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<v Speaker 1>their final resting spot were on ahu or platforms, and

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<v Speaker 1>the moi faced inland towards the island. It was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>meant to watch over the residents and to protect them,

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<v Speaker 1>so they put these around the perimeter, right, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>and so all of these all around the perimeter, we're

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<v Speaker 1>looking inward. Yeah, and it's really interesting. We think over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of five years, about nine hundred of them

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<v Speaker 1>were car and you can see where the artists got

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<v Speaker 1>competitive because there were so many that were left unfinished

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<v Speaker 1>in the quarry and archaeologists found them later on um

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<v Speaker 1>ones that had a flaw maybe, or ones that were broken,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whether in transit or whether in construction. They

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<v Speaker 1>were just abandoned completely. And they were perfectionists. They were perfectionist.

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<v Speaker 1>This is, you know, how they were expressing their division

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<v Speaker 1>to the gods. And they got bigger over time too.

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<v Speaker 1>They started out more modest, and then there was one

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<v Speaker 1>that they call El Gigante, and it's so big. Of

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<v Speaker 1>course it's in the quarry. No one could possibly have

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<v Speaker 1>moved it. But here in lies the problem with what

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing. Uh yeah, So if we go back

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<v Speaker 1>to how they transported them, they obviously can'd just suggested

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<v Speaker 1>that they were using logs and and it must have

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<v Speaker 1>taken a lot. And obviously they made a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>these moai, So they ended up cutting down a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trees. And this ended up being their huge flaw.

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<v Speaker 1>They're they're huge mistake. You're right, because over time they

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<v Speaker 1>had such an abundance of resources. I think that they

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<v Speaker 1>used it throwing cautious the wind, and today we sort

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<v Speaker 1>of think of trees as the most renewable resource there is.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course, like on that isolated island, they must

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<v Speaker 1>have just used up. No, you're right. When you're living

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<v Speaker 1>in isolation like that, when you use up your resources,

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<v Speaker 1>and no matter how renewable it is, if you're not

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<v Speaker 1>getting any more seeds to plant and you're cultivating the landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>it's over. And that's what happened, because not only did

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<v Speaker 1>they cut down all the trees, but they essentially caused

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<v Speaker 1>all the top soil on the island to wash away

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<v Speaker 1>because the roots were in there to hold it down. Furthermore,

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<v Speaker 1>they were using the trees to make boats to go

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<v Speaker 1>out and fish for dolphins. And purposes. This is especially

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<v Speaker 1>said to me, it's just that they couldn't make boats anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they couldn't fish because they couldn't make boat

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't have tree. And what's worse than that,

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<v Speaker 1>not only could they not fish, not only could they

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<v Speaker 1>not grow crops. After they realized that they had destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>their island and all the trees were gone, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have anything left to make boats with to flee the

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<v Speaker 1>isand they were prisoners of their own making. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>when things got really dark and really dangerous. Paul started starving.

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<v Speaker 1>Some scholars posit that maybe some may have resorted to cannibalism. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's true. And this is a point of contention because

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<v Speaker 1>some some historians, notably UM Jared Diamond says that these

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<v Speaker 1>Um Islanders resorted to cannibalism after, like other food sources

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<v Speaker 1>dwindled UM and he points to how cannibalism is the

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<v Speaker 1>their oral tradition. The islanders oral tradition is rife with

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<v Speaker 1>with cannibalism and talk of it. And there's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of archaeologic archaeological evidence that um human bones were

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<v Speaker 1>found in these pits of of garbage that where these

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<v Speaker 1>are the pits where they threw their their food trash

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<v Speaker 1>and so um. People like Jared Diamonds used this to

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<v Speaker 1>to say, oh, well, they must have resorted to cannibalism.

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<v Speaker 1>Other historians are like, oh, no, there's not enough evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to say that, and we shouldn't say that unless it's

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<v Speaker 1>unless for sure, and they say that maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after people naturally died, they there were rituals that people

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<v Speaker 1>did with people's bones. We know that have and two.

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<v Speaker 1>So at the point of contention, so however you interpret

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<v Speaker 1>these relics of bones, you can look at the things

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<v Speaker 1>that are alongside them that the date to around the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, and you see that this is the first

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<v Speaker 1>time and Easter Island that they've manufactured weapons like spears

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<v Speaker 1>and arrows and things like this, so that there was

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<v Speaker 1>strive between the tribes were yeah, and we know that

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<v Speaker 1>when they came there were very very few of them around.

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<v Speaker 1>The population was somewhere from seven thousand to nine thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen hundreds. That was the height of the civilization. It

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<v Speaker 1>was around ten thousand in population then. But then when

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<v Speaker 1>things started declining and population started dwindling, we see that

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<v Speaker 1>people broke off into different clans and essentially they were

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<v Speaker 1>all fighting for the very tiny parcels of arable land

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<v Speaker 1>that were left. And it was very, very difficult to

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<v Speaker 1>stake a claim to this because I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Islanders they were respectful of their gods and they're

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<v Speaker 1>respectful of women and children. Even the scholars who point

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that they may have resorted to cannibalism point

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<v Speaker 1>out that women and children never watched this happen, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that means that men were the

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<v Speaker 1>only ones who resorted to cannibalism if they ate it

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<v Speaker 1>in private, away from women and children, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>that they, you know, they were still trying to hold

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<v Speaker 1>their civilization together, but it got harder and harder, and

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<v Speaker 1>finally there was this cult that rose out of all

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<v Speaker 1>the distress and was called the Birdman cult. And the

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<v Speaker 1>premise was pretty simple. Be the first person to grab

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<v Speaker 1>the egg from a city turned nest and you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be the leader for twelve moons. And that may sound

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<v Speaker 1>like a pretty simple feet, but the city turns nests

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<v Speaker 1>are in the highest cliffs on the islands. That would

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<v Speaker 1>involve like a swim and then rock climb and then

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<v Speaker 1>a massive truck back to be the first person to

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<v Speaker 1>have this egg. And if you lost this contest, it

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<v Speaker 1>was all that's off because the losers were typically expected

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<v Speaker 1>to stop themselves with spears. So the Barman cult does

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<v Speaker 1>sound pretty drastic, but through this there actually was a

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<v Speaker 1>rebirth and arable land end and cultivation of crops. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the sweet potato reared its head again, So I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's for tuvers. Yeah, and they were struggling. They

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<v Speaker 1>were they were still struggling to to um an extent,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is when you know, Europeans actually started stumbling

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<v Speaker 1>upon these people and they finally had sort of contact

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<v Speaker 1>and access to the outside world. But this ended up

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<v Speaker 1>causing a lot of harm as well as good um

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<v Speaker 1>because like obviously Europeans come uh with their own diseases

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<v Speaker 1>like that they have become immune to, and so they

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<v Speaker 1>exposed these diseases to the islanders at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>so that hurt their population even more. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that when the nineteenth century came around, the population had

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<v Speaker 1>dwindled to only gosh, just a little over a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a hundred ten Easter Islanders. And not only did

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<v Speaker 1>the Westerners bring their diseases, they also brought their religion

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<v Speaker 1>or ideas. And one of the reasons that it's called

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern Island is because when it was first discovered, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>just governed by Europeans, was that it was Easter Sunday.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's interesting and throughout the the I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century, eventually Christian missionaries did come over and start

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<v Speaker 1>and start converting the islanders um to uh, most of them,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, and they ended up sacrificing a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>their culture, which is of course necessary when you sacrifice

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<v Speaker 1>um your religion. Right when the Christian missionaries came, the

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<v Speaker 1>exchange for giving up their religion and their culture like

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<v Speaker 1>their storytelling and their their tattoos and there everything else

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<v Speaker 1>was that they learned how to use their land to

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<v Speaker 1>be a ranch essentially, so they had livestock and they

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<v Speaker 1>were able to say, okay, so we have this very

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<v Speaker 1>treeless land. Now that's not good for much, but it

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<v Speaker 1>is good for using as a ranch. And at this

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<v Speaker 1>time the Easter Islanders, I think for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>they were very wearied with their culture and when things

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten really dark, they turned to the Moai and

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<v Speaker 1>what and rather they blamed them, blame the gods for

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<v Speaker 1>what had befallen them, or whether they realized that it

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<v Speaker 1>was their own very overenthusiastic production of the sculptures that

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<v Speaker 1>brought them down and they started knocking them down, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like you said, like, we're not really sure

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<v Speaker 1>why it happened. I remember reading one theory was that

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<v Speaker 1>like when when the population split into different clans, one

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<v Speaker 1>clan would destroy those those statues because they believe those

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<v Speaker 1>were the source of their power of the opposite clans power,

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<v Speaker 1>and so there's all kinds of theories about this, but

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<v Speaker 1>um regardless, it is interesting that they made such amazing

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<v Speaker 1>feats and yet they ended up tearing it down. They did,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can see where they galuged at the eyes,

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<v Speaker 1>the name city and eyes, and they would arrange really

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<v Speaker 1>sharp stones underwear, the head would falls, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>they knocked from the yahoo the head with sever so

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<v Speaker 1>they were in essence decapitating these gods. And it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>until archaeologists came back and tried to restructure them that

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<v Speaker 1>they were able to rehoist the moai. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that today the Easter Islanders very much accept that as

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<v Speaker 1>part of their culture. But another thing that they lost

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<v Speaker 1>forever was their language, which was wrong goo, wrong goo,

0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.280
<v Speaker 1>and it actually came about from a very dirty trick

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that the Spanish pulled back in seventeen seventy two. They

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<v Speaker 1>came over and essentially they tricked the tribal leader into

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<v Speaker 1>signing a treaty that turned Easter Island over to Spanish control.

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<v Speaker 1>So while that in itself was not diplomatic to any extent,

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<v Speaker 1>it inspired the Easter Islanders to create their own system

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<v Speaker 1>of writing. And so there's still tablets today with wrong

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<v Speaker 1>goo wrong but that exists, and I think Easter Islanders

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<v Speaker 1>continue to carve these little symbols that no one knows

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<v Speaker 1>what it means, because again, part of giving up the

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<v Speaker 1>culture the Christian missionaries was getting you know, ranches established

0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.399
<v Speaker 1>and getting their crops re established and essentially surviving. So

0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.760
<v Speaker 1>they made that choice. That's interesting that both the introduction

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<v Speaker 1>of writing sort of hurt and helped them sort of

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<v Speaker 1>in a way like, uh, it's certainly a nasty trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Could be like, hey, this is what writing is. Write

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<v Speaker 1>anything on this line and you're sacrificing your island and

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<v Speaker 1>knowingly sort of thing. But if I also brought about

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<v Speaker 1>the faut at the Birdman cult to because the tribal

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<v Speaker 1>leader was able to reassert his power through riding. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just such an interesting history and the Easter Islanders

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<v Speaker 1>are very very proud of their history. I think that

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<v Speaker 1>today there are maybe around two thousand people on the island.

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<v Speaker 1>Their population is really rebounded. Thankfully they have and they

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<v Speaker 1>have I think joint citizenship with Chile, so they can

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<v Speaker 1>go back and forth. And if you want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to Easter Island, I think that you have to fly

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<v Speaker 1>to Chile first, and then there are flights certain days

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<v Speaker 1>of the week that go out to Easter Island. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I mean. It's awesome that Easter Island has

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<v Speaker 1>has um an airport now and so people can come

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<v Speaker 1>and they like archaeologists can study and tourists can can

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<v Speaker 1>find out the rich culture and it's pretty interesting. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they had Chili actually has control over it because they

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<v Speaker 1>annexed it in eighty eight. We should probably mention that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the culture of Easter Island is still alive. The

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<v Speaker 1>people are incredibly friendly and I think that people have

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<v Speaker 1>written that as they've traveled to Easter Island. If hotel

0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.840
<v Speaker 1>rooms are booked, you can stay with any Easter Island

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<v Speaker 1>family in their house and they'll happily welcome you. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it seems like such a great place to visit.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to go. Mark my words. If I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not dairs, someone comes, shake make please. Okay. So, now

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<v Speaker 1>that we have gotten all of the background on Easter Island,

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<v Speaker 1>Candice and Jane really did talk quite a bit about

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<v Speaker 1>that log roller theory for transporting the meli out of

0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the quarry, plus how that heavy use of forest resources

0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:26.320
<v Speaker 1>could have eventually led to the islands environmental collapse. All

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<v Speaker 1>these logs for the statues, no more trees, no more

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<v Speaker 1>comfy island. But last summer, a new study sponsored by

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<v Speaker 1>the National and Geographic Society and engineered by Terry Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of Hawaii and Carl Lippo from California

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<v Speaker 1>State University Long Beach, suggested a new possible means of transport,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is rocking and rolling, or more simply, if

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<v Speaker 1>you think about it, it's walking. How if you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine one of these Easter Island statues just taking the stroll. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So this walking idea probably sound a little funny, but

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<v Speaker 1>just bear with us. Last summer, the researchers demonstrated that

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<v Speaker 1>a five ton replica could be moved with a team

0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.480
<v Speaker 1>of eighteen people using ropes alone, by gently tilting the

0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 1>statue back and forth, kind of shimmying it along this road,

0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:19.359
<v Speaker 1>taking advantage of its D shaped base, and it's a

0:22:19.359 --> 0:22:22.959
<v Speaker 1>big belly that allows for for total tilting, so that

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.400
<v Speaker 1>unbalanced aspect of it actually works to their advantage. It does,

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<v Speaker 1>and and something similar was done back in nine six,

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<v Speaker 1>but at that point the statue wasn't allowed to take

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<v Speaker 1>advantage of that big belly and lean forward. It was

0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:39.560
<v Speaker 1>kept completely upright and it just twisted. So instead of

0:22:39.600 --> 0:22:42.960
<v Speaker 1>that shimmying or the tilting back and forth, it was

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:46.760
<v Speaker 1>just twisting, and that ultimately damaged space. And they figured, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not going to work. To really get a

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<v Speaker 1>good sense of this, it kind of helps if you

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<v Speaker 1>go watch a video and it's easy to find online.

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<v Speaker 1>We watched it before we came into recording, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it's kind of great to see one of

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<v Speaker 1>these eyes just moving down the road bit by bit,

0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 1>but it is their striking looking. You have to wonder

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<v Speaker 1>how anybody thought of this in the first place. It

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<v Speaker 1>came about when one of Hunt's colleagues, Sergio rapp, who

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<v Speaker 1>who is an archaeologist and a member of the island's

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:18.560
<v Speaker 1>indigenous population, took Hunt and Lippo to see all of

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<v Speaker 1>those abandoned moi that Candice and Jane mentioned and pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out the seemingly specially engineered features like the D shape

0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.240
<v Speaker 1>and the heavy belly, things that could allow these giant,

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<v Speaker 1>upright statues to, like you said, shimmy along the road.

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<v Speaker 1>But if this theory is correct and the moi were

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<v Speaker 1>not moved with logs, that still leaves us with the

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<v Speaker 1>question why was the island's forests so totally decimated well,

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<v Speaker 1>according to a National Geographic article by Hannah Block, Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>and Lippo have also excavated the island's beach and believed

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<v Speaker 1>that in habits arrived much later than earlier believed a

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<v Speaker 1>d and since this would mean the environmental degradation had

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<v Speaker 1>to happen at a faster pace, They've also suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>the trees weren't wiped out through slash and burn farming

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<v Speaker 1>or through rampant sledge and roller construction, but by rats

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<v Speaker 1>grows so Polynesian rats specifically, whose bones litter those same

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<v Speaker 1>trash heats discussed in the older podcast, and they would

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<v Speaker 1>have come aboard the very same canoes that the Polynesians

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<v Speaker 1>arrived in, and the inhabitants would have eaten them. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that Candis and Jane mentioned that they brought chickens along,

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<v Speaker 1>so um. They would have eaten the rats, but protein protein.

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<v Speaker 1>But with no other predators on the island besides the settlers,

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<v Speaker 1>the rat population could have quickly exploded, and the hungry

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<v Speaker 1>rodents could have gone gobbling up all of the palm

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<v Speaker 1>nuts and stopping new trees from growing. Because of these

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<v Speaker 1>forests are very slow growing and if the rats are

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<v Speaker 1>eating everything, you're not going to have any new forests.

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<v Speaker 1>And plus, of course they would also eat things like

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<v Speaker 1>bird bird eggs and further desks of mating the environment

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<v Speaker 1>of the island. Interestingly, Hunt and Lippo take things a

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<v Speaker 1>step further away from Diamond's poor stewardship theory by suggesting

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<v Speaker 1>that the islands people actually had a sustainable society. The

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<v Speaker 1>rats just happened to mess them up really badly. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>just some things that support this, they built stone wind

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<v Speaker 1>breaks to protect crops and soil. They also fertilized with

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<v Speaker 1>ash and rocks from the islands inactive volcanoes, and they

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<v Speaker 1>may have even been peaceful, which is a much different

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<v Speaker 1>idea from the predominant competitive, warring and eventually cannibalistic historical

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<v Speaker 1>telling of the situation, though some archaeologists like Rappoo think

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<v Speaker 1>that this is highly unlikely. I think that they probably

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<v Speaker 1>still did compete over these statues and eventually went to

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<v Speaker 1>war with each other. But I think what I find

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<v Speaker 1>most interesting is that the story works as an environmental

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<v Speaker 1>parable of sorts. Either way. One the diamond theory is

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<v Speaker 1>about land management and resources is the newer idea is

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<v Speaker 1>more about invasive species rats coming and messing everything up

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<v Speaker 1>for you and by a diversity and how fragile it

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<v Speaker 1>can be on on island like this. And what's neat

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<v Speaker 1>is is that both of those theories do still tie

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<v Speaker 1>into very timely topics today. I think it is neat,

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<v Speaker 1>although I was thinking about a lot. I know, I

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<v Speaker 1>wish we didn't have problems with them, but yeah, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>And one more point, in case you're wondering, walking the

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<v Speaker 1>moi does not look easy. It's dangerous, but possibly to

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<v Speaker 1>the theories credit, there are loads of dropped moi on

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<v Speaker 1>the road between the quarry and the statues. So and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering, especially if they were kind of a warring society,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to those poor guys who dropped a moi

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<v Speaker 1>on the road. I didn't even think of that until

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<v Speaker 1>you just set up you'd have to be in big trouble,

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<v Speaker 1>I think. So it was really fun to learn a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about the story and find out that

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<v Speaker 1>people are still coming up with new theories about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that they are so timely and rats are involved it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I didn't really see that one coming when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw headlines about the mo i walked to their positions.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, if you want to learn a little bit more,

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<v Speaker 1>we do have the Easter Island article that Candice also wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>This was one of her favorite topics. I think I

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<v Speaker 1>actually updated her when I heard this news too, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was excited to know that that there's new ideas

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<v Speaker 1>about how the mo i got to where they were. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean, I guess we can look forward to

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<v Speaker 1>maybe more updates in the future really see how these

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<v Speaker 1>pan out. But if you have any stories to share

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