WEBVTT - 061524 The Attack on Political Correctness became the Attack on Woke (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 1>welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our

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<v Speaker 1>going to hopefully provide you a little bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>framework to approach the holiday and you know, and enjoy

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<v Speaker 1>yourself because it is a holiday for all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to be talking about June Team for

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<v Speaker 1>our Way Black History factor, so you definitely want to

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<v Speaker 1>stick around for that as well. And first up, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be talking about political correctness and woke

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<v Speaker 1>miss and how we went from PC to woke or

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<v Speaker 1>the label went from PC to woke and the constant

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<v Speaker 1>attacks from the right on how they reframe the language

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<v Speaker 1>so that it can be attacked. But before we get there,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to, as always start things off with

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<v Speaker 1>some ebony excellence, shall we? I think we shall.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's Ebony Excellence sponsored by Actively Black There is greatness

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<v Speaker 2>in our DNA. Visit actively black dot com. The story

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<v Speaker 2>comes from the Grillo. Jalen Hurts etched his name in

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<v Speaker 2>NFL history books, securing a record breaking five year, two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty five million dollar contract and becoming at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, the highest paid player in the NFL. This

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<v Speaker 2>landmark includes a whopping one hundred and seventy nine point

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<v Speaker 2>three million dollars in guaranteed money and a no trade

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<v Speaker 2>clause binding Hurts to the Philadelphia Eagles until twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>Now the more important part of this story, more impressively even,

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<v Speaker 2>is that a black woman, Nicole Lynn of Clutch Sports,

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<v Speaker 2>negotiated the deal. So happy for my little brother at

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Hurts on becoming the highest paid player in NFL

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<v Speaker 2>history end quote, Lynn said in an Instagram post, she said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you for trusting me with something of this magnitude.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember sitting in your old high school interviewing to

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<v Speaker 2>be your agent. I am a dreamer, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure I could have ever imagined this is where we'd land.

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<v Speaker 1>Quote.

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<v Speaker 2>The partnership between Hurts and his agent is nothing short

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<v Speaker 2>of groundbreaking at just thirty four years old, and Colon

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<v Speaker 2>is the only It's sorry, not only a prominent figure

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<v Speaker 2>in the industry, but has made history in more ways

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<v Speaker 2>than one. After starting her career as an NFL agent

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty fifteen, she quickly made a name for herself

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<v Speaker 2>as the first woman to join Players Rep, one of

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<v Speaker 2>the league's top agencies at the time. Little did she

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<v Speaker 2>know that. Years later, one Instagram DM would lead her

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<v Speaker 2>to become the first woman of any ethnicity to represent

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<v Speaker 2>a Super Bowl starting quarterback. This story happened last season,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was with Nicole over the weekend, told her

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<v Speaker 2>how proud of her we both were, and just told

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<v Speaker 2>her to keep pushing forward on her legacy. Nicole, keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, all right. Woke, wokeness, wokeness. You know

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to get into the nuts and bolts of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but think about this for a second. In my lifetime,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember being woke meaning being educated, being enlightened, being

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<v Speaker 1>being aware, aware, right, informed, informed, That's a great way

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<v Speaker 1>to say it. And there was a degree of being

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like spiritually in tune as well. Right. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, woke went beyond just you know, being informed,

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<v Speaker 1>being aware, that sort of thing, But it also implied

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<v Speaker 1>a degree of forgive me, but spiritual connectedness, concern, empathy

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<v Speaker 1>for each other. Right, So, wokeness or if you were woke,

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<v Speaker 1>it meant that you were knew what was going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, but you also had a predisposition toward

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<v Speaker 1>making things better for yourself, your people, your community, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. So if that was what woke meant, and

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<v Speaker 1>it never the meaning never changed. That would have been perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>That's great. Right, Now we can go back a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit further or discuss indeed the actual meaning of woke,

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<v Speaker 1>which means to be what not asleep, to be awake awake, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which for anyone having an intellectual conversation of philosophical debate,

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<v Speaker 1>anyone who's engaging politically social you know, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>be awake for that. Anyone who's aware of what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in the world, you need to be awake because

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of being asleep kind of implies that you

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<v Speaker 1>are unaware literally or figuratively. Sure, So, woke has always

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<v Speaker 1>historically meant something positive, something good, something.

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<v Speaker 2>Always had a positive connotation until it was hijacked.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And we're going to discuss something. This is not

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<v Speaker 1>the first time a word has been hijacked or a

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<v Speaker 1>concept has been represented to us. We branded under something

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<v Speaker 1>that was more attackable. In other words, if wokeness means

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<v Speaker 1>a general awareness and empathy, the term has been taken

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<v Speaker 1>and rebranded. Right. So I'm going to tell a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a story and then we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>into more of the nuts and bolts here please, So

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<v Speaker 1>this is how we went from political correctness to wokeness

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<v Speaker 1>and how both of those things ended up becoming bad things.

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<v Speaker 1>And Q knows all this, so she's going to jump

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<v Speaker 1>in a few times, but I'm going to do the

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<v Speaker 1>reading here. And this came from Quora, of all places.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is a kind of a forum where

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<v Speaker 1>people kind of share ideas on the internet. So this

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<v Speaker 1>isn't necessarily a scholarly source, but the information is accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely accurate. I just love this one individual's interpretation of

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<v Speaker 1>the events. Right. So this individual's name for if you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to go check it out. His name is Douglas Whiteside,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's answering the question why do liberals love wokeness?

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<v Speaker 1>So here's his response. So here's what happened. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>of decades go. Some Republicans decided that being polite was

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<v Speaker 1>interfering with their agenda. They needed to make Democrats sound

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<v Speaker 1>like radicals, even though the Democrats were offering popular and

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<v Speaker 1>reasonable policy proposals. So they needed a weigh to make

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<v Speaker 1>politeness itself sound silly and delusional. Enter the phrase political correctness. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to stop here real quick, because political correctness

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<v Speaker 1>and you mentioned this to me when political correctness first

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<v Speaker 1>became a term that was used in popular culture. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned that it was not a bad thing. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a scary thing. It wasn't used as an attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you're just being PC. No, it was like, hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>we all need a degree of political correct It was

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<v Speaker 1>an inclusive way of instructing society at large to be,

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, polite. It was not deeper than that initially,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's kind of the point. Even the term political

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<v Speaker 1>correctness had to have some acceptance first before it could

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<v Speaker 1>be rebranded and weaponized. They said, if they called it

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<v Speaker 1>something ridiculous, they would have been viewed that way themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had to first construct this thing that they

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<v Speaker 1>could then rebrand however they wanted. And that you start

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<v Speaker 1>to see how unfortunately brilliant it is, because again, you

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<v Speaker 1>can take a word like woke. There's no bad way

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<v Speaker 1>to interpret the word woke. But now it's about how

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<v Speaker 1>is that a bad thing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we saw them do something similar with critical race theory.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, right, let's change the entire meaning of that,

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<v Speaker 2>make it mean something else, make it negative and pejorative,

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<v Speaker 2>and then attack it. It is a masterful thing that

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<v Speaker 2>they quote. They, for those who are listening and not watching,

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<v Speaker 2>have done throughout history very effectively, sadly, very effective to

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<v Speaker 2>all of our detriments. Because for those that know, those

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<v Speaker 2>that actually are woke, we're aware that critical race theory.

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<v Speaker 1>In their definition, those on the far right, in their

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<v Speaker 1>definition and their estimation is simply American history. But they

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<v Speaker 1>could not They can't attack American or attack Americ American history.

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<v Speaker 1>So they had to rebrand a section of American history,

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<v Speaker 1>which is ours rebranded and under the umbrella race theory. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and critical race theory is a collegiate level pursuit that

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<v Speaker 1>connects systemic elements to outcomes for marginalized people. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not in your schools, not in your public so no,

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<v Speaker 1>none of that sort of stuff. This is a class

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<v Speaker 1>that you have to sign up for in college and

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<v Speaker 1>they took like and if you don't know this, it

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<v Speaker 1>shows how far they went with the rebrand. See I

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<v Speaker 1>know this, doctor Westernberg is our teacher up hear being cute,

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<v Speaker 1>So we knew this, but so many people don't know this.

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<v Speaker 1>And the craziest part about it is that the specific

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<v Speaker 1>group of people that don't know this on the right

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<v Speaker 1>don't care because you could educate the know. Some know

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<v Speaker 1>and don't don't care, right, but you could educate those

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<v Speaker 1>that don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They've taken advantage of those that don't know and doctrinated them,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the way that some would protect and pursue

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<v Speaker 2>their religious ideology. You can't tell them that it's wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>And then again, there are those, like you said, who

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<v Speaker 2>simply don't care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, absolutely, rather dig in than be enlightened or awaken.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so let's read a little bit more from

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas Whiteside's response. Again, why do liberals love wokeness? So

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<v Speaker 1>continuing on now, he says, obviously, since nearly all of

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<v Speaker 1>us were raised to be polite and respect politeness, it

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<v Speaker 1>isn't possible to attack politeness itself. But if you can

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<v Speaker 1>relabel it first, then it's much easier to attack. So

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<v Speaker 1>being polite to others became political correctness, and political correctness

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<v Speaker 1>became a bad thing. Now the same thing is happening

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<v Speaker 1>to empathy. It's very very important data here. Basic human

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<v Speaker 1>empathy is a good thing. Like politeness, empathy helps us

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<v Speaker 1>survive as a society, but it also leads to governmental

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<v Speaker 1>policies to help disadvantaged people. Obviously, this is something Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>cannot appide. But how can they attack basic human empathy. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the same way they attacked politeness, relabel it, so empathy

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<v Speaker 1>is now called wokeness and that can be attacked. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>they took something that already existed, right, something that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>widely used in terms of its uh, its role, its

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<v Speaker 1>place in the in our lexicon. Right, Wokeness was something

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<v Speaker 1>that was shared. It was like kind of arcane knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Not everyone wasn't walking around talking about yeah, woke or

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<v Speaker 1>are you know we're woke? You know, people weren't saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just a few people that would talk like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people that wear unks, people that are well

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<v Speaker 1>educated that understand, people that were very engaged politically those people,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, the masses would not walk around saying

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<v Speaker 1>woke or wokeness or anything like that. It wasn't popularized.

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<v Speaker 1>So this was this really tiny sliver of the population

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<v Speaker 1>using that term in the same way that a very

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<v Speaker 1>tiny sliver of the population was using critical race theory.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad you mentioned that, because, again, a very

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<v Speaker 1>tiny sliver of the population actually goes to college and

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<v Speaker 1>gets to the point in college where they even have

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<v Speaker 1>access to enroll in a class that teaches critical race theory.

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<v Speaker 1>But because that term existed, Republicans as often as you know,

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<v Speaker 1>at one hundred percent of the time, let me be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>can find this term and then discuss this term as

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<v Speaker 1>though everyone is using it, as though everyone is taking

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<v Speaker 1>critical race theory class.

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<v Speaker 2>And as if they have some innate understanding of the

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<v Speaker 2>term in the way that they use it.

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<v Speaker 1>But they don't, because to them, it means American history.

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<v Speaker 1>To them, it doesn't mean that. It doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, you're right, good catch, But they want it

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<v Speaker 1>to encompass American history so that they can attack the

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<v Speaker 1>specific part of American history that includes us from being

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<v Speaker 1>taught to younger students in the classroom. Right, So we

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<v Speaker 1>lose the term because they've been successful at rebranding it.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to add something else here, Okay, the American flag.

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<v Speaker 1>The American flag. Funnily enough, the same woman who was

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<v Speaker 1>our teacher, doctor Camilla Westernberg. I went with her to

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<v Speaker 1>meet with Jesse Jackson. Isn't that cool? And at that meeting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I wasn't the only person, there was a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people there. They had these flags, these little

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<v Speaker 1>tiny flags that they would give out. And lately the

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<v Speaker 1>past four years, maybe eight year, past twenty years, well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me, let me, let me delineate a

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<v Speaker 1>specific amount of time. So since let's call it twenty sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, right when Donald Trump was campaigning for the presidency,

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<v Speaker 1>my relationship with the American flag has changed. There are

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<v Speaker 1>still moments when I will watch movies, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see, you know, the soldiers at the end mount

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<v Speaker 1>the flag and feel that sense of pride, or I'll

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<v Speaker 1>watch the astronauts plant the flag and I'll be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we did it, you know. But if I'm

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<v Speaker 1>being honest, my relationship with the flag has changed because

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<v Speaker 1>there's a whole entire new facet that has been introduced

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<v Speaker 1>since the Trump presidency, which is, as we've discussed on

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<v Speaker 1>the show many times, a very angry, right leaning group

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<v Speaker 1>of people using the flag almost to intimidate people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not white, almost to say that we're in America

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<v Speaker 1>their country, not we're in America full stop. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we've seen the flag in places where the flag normally

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go, like if you go to a post office, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a federal agency. The flag should be there. You

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<v Speaker 1>go to a public school, yeah, fly the flag. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a government building. Right. But when you go to like

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<v Speaker 1>an outing in the park and you see some some group,

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<v Speaker 1>a group that's you know, they're using a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the picnic tables and they just have a

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<v Speaker 1>flag there or on the bed of the pickup truck

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<v Speaker 1>next to you in traffic. Sure, that sort of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>where it's like, I mean, I know where we are, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, my relationship with the flag has changed. My

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<v Speaker 1>point is that when I went with doctor Westernberg to

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<v Speaker 1>meet with Jesse Jackson and they were handing out these

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<v Speaker 1>little flags, she said, no, Ramses, you take one of

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<v Speaker 1>those flags and you wave that flag. That flag belongs

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<v Speaker 1>to all of us. Don't let them take the flag

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<v Speaker 1>from us. We fought for that flag too. And you

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<v Speaker 1>know how she talks. I mean you in all people

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<v Speaker 1>now she talks so and what do you say to

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<v Speaker 1>her other than yes, ma'am right. For those that don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Westernberg is an old black woman. She would get

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<v Speaker 1>mad at me for me. She would get mad at

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<v Speaker 1>me for describing her that way. She is wisdom in flesh. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>there you go, That's how I describe her. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>for us, we you know there, if I close my

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and imagine God, it may as well have doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Westernbrook's face on it. Right, that's the closest that we

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<v Speaker 1>get to God on this earth. Is something we always say.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was saying, don't let them take the flag.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that on some level she knew how

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<v Speaker 1>they tend to take these things and rework the angles

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<v Speaker 1>around them and use them against us. Right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>at present there is a flag in front of my

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<v Speaker 1>house that is waving, and there are neighbors around here

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<v Speaker 1>who have the flags waving in front of their house too,

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<v Speaker 1>I suspect for different reasons. My job is to reclaim it,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I'm trying to reclaim woke. It's like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to reclaim p These aren't bad things, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's continue. So empathy is now called wokeness. When

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat calls for measures to help protect minority citizens

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<v Speaker 1>from police violence, it isn't because of empathy a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's because that Democrat is all woke a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It isn't simply liberals loving wokeness. It's that liberals are

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<v Speaker 1>generally liberal because they have basic human empathy. Now, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this other person's words, not mine. Republicans hate basic

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<v Speaker 1>human empathy because it will eventually lead to the uber

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy having to pay their fair share of taxes to

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<v Speaker 1>help the less fortunate. Republicans cannot stand even the thought

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<v Speaker 1>of that happening. That's probably an oversimplification, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be unfair to Republicans. I wish you guys

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<v Speaker 1>could see my face. You know that we have to

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<v Speaker 1>have good faith debates, even though this is what this

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<v Speaker 1>is who we are.

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<v Speaker 2>We have to have good faith debates in the absence

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<v Speaker 2>of good faith on the other side of the debate.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a very differ sessions. I know to be

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<v Speaker 1>in it all the time. But listen, that's why we

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<v Speaker 1>keep you around. You're the enforcer man. Now, I want

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<v Speaker 1>to share something else that I think illustrates this point perfectly,

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<v Speaker 1>and illustrates a lot of Q's points perfectly. This is

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<v Speaker 1>from Fox thirteen news dot com if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. I'm just pulling a paragraph from the

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<v Speaker 1>article talking about Ronda Santis, the person who's known for

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<v Speaker 1>attacking wokeness right in the state of Florida. So Ronda

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<v Speaker 1>stantis the governor's general Council, Ryan Newman said in a

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<v Speaker 1>in general, and he's trying to define wokeness because he

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<v Speaker 1>was asked what wokeness means. So this is the governor's council, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Ryan Newman, He says, in general, it means quote, the

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<v Speaker 1>belief there are systemic injustices in American society and the

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<v Speaker 1>need to address them in quote. He added that DeSantis

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't believe there are systemic injustices in the country reports

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<v Speaker 1>Florida politics.

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<v Speaker 2>So so again, is very difficult to have good faith debate.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not wrong on the other side is not You're

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<v Speaker 2>not wrong with faith, you're not wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>The only the only reason why I do that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is because I recognize that we funnily enough, you know this,

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of people who listen to our

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<v Speaker 1>show who are those deeply conservative people, right, and for

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<v Speaker 1>us to remind them, well, not to remind them, they know,

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<v Speaker 1>but for us to condemn them further, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that that really creates the pathway to having the types

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<v Speaker 1>of conversations that even those people who are listening to

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<v Speaker 1>try to pick us apart might be willing to have

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<v Speaker 1>at some point in the future. So it's a strategy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not delusional. And for all of you who are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to to me, yeah, I mean, there's my hand,

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<v Speaker 1>but we love you and we'll get there one way

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<v Speaker 1>or another.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you believe that. I think optimism is necessary

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't possess it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well that's why there's two of us. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're the enforcer man, You're you're the You're you

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<v Speaker 1>take care of me, you protect me man, so you

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<v Speaker 1>allow me to be what all butterflies and rainbow as

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<v Speaker 1>you describe it. So anyway, I just thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting that in those discussions, and you know behind

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<v Speaker 1>those doors, you know, when you ask those people what

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<v Speaker 1>does wokeness mean, that they can give an answer that's

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<v Speaker 1>so encompassing like this, as you mentioned, they know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what they're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing that's so terrifying about what's happening with

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<v Speaker 2>our courts. Our courts are the last place where you

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<v Speaker 2>have to mean what you say, where you have to

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<v Speaker 2>back up what you're you have to back up what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying. You have to give facts, You have to

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<v Speaker 2>give evidence to support what you're saying, and now seeing

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<v Speaker 2>our leaders and politicians allow for even that place to

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<v Speaker 2>be corrupted by money is a very very scary place

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<v Speaker 2>for not just us but all Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I feel like we'll get there.