WEBVTT - BONUS: Down the Rabbit Hole: Steve’s Vietnam Excursion 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.360 Hey, everybody, Steve here. As we recently announced, we are 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.920 no longer producing new episodes of the podcast, but we 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.760 did have content that we have recorded that we had 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.920 not put into the regular feed for everybody to hear, 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.480 and we wanted to share that with you, of course. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.439 So what you're hearing here is one of those episodes 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.439 of Down the Rabbit Hole that hadn't gone out into 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.680 the regular feed and had only previously been available through 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:36.680 the premium service. So enjoy and thanks a lot. Thinking 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.600 Sideways is not brought to you by Hamlet, the series 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.640 starting Kianu reeves now. 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I am Steve, of course, joined by Devin 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:48.440 and Joe, and welcome to another bonus episode because that's 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.640 what down the rabbit Hole is. For our premium members 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:54.480 this week, we well, we don't have a mystery for you. 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.960 We have something completely different. We have a little it's 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.080 a little bit of a mystery. That's it's a little 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.640 like were you doing? Is that the mystery? The mystery 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:07.080 is who cares? I'm kidding. It is actually really interesting. 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.480 So here's the deal for for those of you who 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:13.160 don't know, I recently just got back from a several 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.560 week trip to Vietnam and Cambodia, and I had a 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.600 lot of fun. And I've told these two Devin and 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.480 Joe about my my experiences and you have but you 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:27.560 haven't yet a liar. I have totally showed you pictures, 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.200 but you have to follow him on social media. Still 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.000 coming out. But the point is I one of the 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:37.800 things that I did is I had traveled overseas a 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.160 couple of years ago, and about a year later, I 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.800 realized that I was looking at pictures and I couldn't 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.360 remember details, and I wanted to be able to remember 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:49.720 those details. So I sat down and I started just 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.400 kind of stream of consciousness writing different things that I 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:58.200 remembered about my trip, the tiger cages, the torture, none 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.040 of that. But You've got a right idea so that 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.800 I could recall it and I could look at it 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.760 later on and say, oh, yeah, that's exactly what I 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.519 was thinking, instead of years later going I remember I 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:09.880 saw this thing, but I don't remember anything about it. 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:13.639 And I've shared that with you two, And I could 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.680 just sit here and wax philosophical for twenty minutes about 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.880 my trip, and you'd be bored out of your cords. Well, 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:23.480 our listeners might be interested, you two would be bored, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:25.640 and that's not fair to do to you because I'm 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.480 a team player. So I sent this to you. We 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.320 talked about this. UM, I know there's questions or things 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.200 that you've found fun or funny. So I'm gonna let 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:40.080 YouTube kind of start off the conversation or questions and 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.480 then we'll just kind of roll it from there. Does 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:48.600 that work for you, guys, Devin, do you have any questions? 0:03:48.800 --> 0:03:54.000 You had a list of things you saw on scooters 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:58.400 well energetic banks, guys that most you haven't traveled a 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:01.600 bit in the Third World myself. Modes of transportation are 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.360 always fascinating in some of these places that egos are 0:04:04.520 --> 0:04:06.800 yeah they are right, yeah, So yeah, what is the 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.400 most outrageous scooter instantent you saw? Okay, so well, let's 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.440 start with scooters because that is the main form of transportation, 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.080 because while there are some cars, it turns out the 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.719 import tax on cars to Vietnam is huge, so only 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.440 the rich habit and rich are usually high powered political 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.200 figures because it's a communist country. So way it works, 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:33.240 everybody's poor, everybody's equal, So everybody has a scooter or 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.800 rents the scooter. So Uber is on scooters, by the way. 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.120 And there's another one called grab which I liked. But 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.680 you have to take everything you buy somewhere on a scooter. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.719 That's I mean, that's how you get it home. And 0:04:47.240 --> 0:04:49.440 I have a list of things here which let's just 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.039 run down this because this is fun things on scooters. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.560 Half a dozen pigs in a cage and by that 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.520 I mean like thirty forty pound pigs from the back 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.640 of the scooter. There was about a half dozen squeezed 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:04.640 in there. I think you guys saw that picture you 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:10.320 two here. Uh, there were families, entire families on scooters. 0:05:10.360 --> 0:05:14.960 So it would be parent driving the scooter with a 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:18.440 child in front of them on some kind of makeshift 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.400 child seat unless they were teenage, and then they could 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.720 stand on their own on the floorboard. Child behind that 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.760 driver parent and then the other parent behind that child 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:34.160 the kind of sandwich the youngest one in between them. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:39.040 So entire families, which was awesome. Let's see, oh, construction. 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:43.919 Construction is done using normal materials like concrete and wood 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.159 and metals and rebars and poles. You see all of 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:52.200 that carried by the driver or their passenger. Nothing funnier 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.720 than somebody with a twenty foot piece of metal running 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:02.159 length of the vehicle and they're driving. Stay out. And 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:06.440 by the way, traffic is dense as in, there are 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.440 scooters packed up against each other. So imagine being the 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:14.320 guy with the javelins just an accident waiting to happen. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.480 That sounds I was someone. I saw one and a 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:20.280 half accidents my entire time there. So they're used to 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:23.160 this stuff. Let's see how I love this. People have pets, 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.960 so they have dogs. Dogs are kind of a favored thing, 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.839 it appears, and so they have little baskets on the 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:31.279 front of their their scooters, so you see dogs in that. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.200 But it's great when you see a full sized dog 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:40.960 like Malla mute husky, not a scooter on the floor 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:46.000 the foot rail, you know, sideways looking forward, tail blowing back. 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.240 I have the little guys not burning his burning himself 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.839 on the tailpipe or anything like. No, that dog, well, no, 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.040 I think he was because there's a human between him 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.279 and the tailpipes. It was okay, let's see. Uh oh. 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.479 I saw a guy driving once holding a door the 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:03.719 passenger by the way, you know, like a door to 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:08.320 a house, straight up and down. So driver door straight 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.440 he was holding an episode that it was catching the 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:16.720 wind totally, totally like he was in the city. So 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.640 they were maybe doing fifteen or tw that's a lot 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:22.760 of wind. It's a lot of wind. I think I 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:24.680 would have held at the other door, like ninety degrees 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.200 to that. And then the other thing that I saw 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.040 there is, of course everybody has a cell phone, just 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:34.480 like here. All have cell phones. So nothing was funnier 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:39.520 to me than seeing people driving a scooter talking on 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:44.320 their cell phone. But even better reading there's texting. The 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:46.960 texting get in a car is dumb and dangerous and 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:51.080 you shouldn't do it, but it was scary. That was 0:07:51.200 --> 0:07:53.520 That was actually not that long ago. I was here 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.440 in Wright in Portland and it was behind some kind 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.200 of scooter and he's just buzzing along and all of 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:01.040 a sudden I see it into his pocket and pull 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.160 his phone out, and he's looking and looked down at it. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.800 I think. I don't think he wasn't actually texting back 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.840 and he was checking. Yeah. I know it's crazy, but 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.520 you know, that's one of the one of the fun 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.280 things about traveling in some of these places is like 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.880 the transportation, and like one of my one of my 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.320 favorite things to me that when I was in Bolivia 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.240 some years back, everybody down there has if you have 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.320 a car, which very few people have, but most people 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.240 have those Toyota Mini Mini bands, you know that like 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.520 a volks same size and shape as a Volkswagen bus, 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:36.720 like seven people. Yea seating arrangement, Yeah, except in Bolivia. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.439 It turns out people are people are much smaller in 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.520 Bolivia and have shorter lakes, so they actually squeeze an 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:44.240 extra bench in every one of those, and so there's 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.520 sort of a privatized transportation system in the city is 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.640 like in La Paz and stuff. But I caught this 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.679 ride to Lake Titty Cock was my friends and it 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.840 was I was crammed into the back and we had 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.040 all of our stuff strapped to the top and everything. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.680 And at one I counted the number of people in 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.640 there and they were including the driver in the past 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.160 and in the front faster. There were seventeen people inside 0:09:07.160 --> 0:09:12.760 that and also some boxes and a dog inside that thing. Yeah, 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.160 I'm not cool. And it was the most uncomfortable ride 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.360 of my life because the bench in front of me 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.800 was so close that when I got in, I shifted 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.720 my my booth of my legs were tight together and 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:24.720 I shipped them to the shifted them to the left. 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:28.200 There was no moving my legs and I was done 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.480 and they were squeezed tight together. So I was seriously 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:35.160 wondering if I was going to be sterile after it 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:38.560 was the worst, the most uncomfortable ride ever. And I've 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:40.680 been on others that was that was just the best 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.559 or the worst, depending but yeah, that's that's one of 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:47.040 the fun things about traveling and some of those parts 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.360 of the world. Though what since Devin, I think you 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:54.440 asked the first Ye Joe, what's what's the next question? 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.160 Out of the ramblings of Vietnam? Oh, my god, the 0:09:57.240 --> 0:09:59.760 ramblings of Vietnam? Did you see any cool any any 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:01.840 cool war stuff? Like did you see some of the 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.840 cool tunnel complexes that they built? So I did not 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.520 go into the tunnel complexes. You could go to a 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.079 place where you you literally had to crawl on your 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.000 hands and knees, and I wasn't interested in that. I 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:18.320 did go to the Vietnam War Memorial, which is a 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:22.200 three story building. I said, you, guys, photos of the 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.400 aircraft outside. There were U S aircraft that have been 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.680 left behind when they left uh Saigon. Which is funny 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.880 is they renamed it Ho Chi Minh City, but everybody 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:36.040 still calls it Saigon except on paper, which is hilarious. 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.840 But but I went to that and that that was 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:44.960 really really interesting because I went in not having this 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.480 sense of American guilt. I didn't go in thinking that, 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.520 and I didn't come out thinking that either. But what 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:55.160 I did find really interesting was the way it's it's 0:10:55.200 --> 0:11:00.680 your typical museum, giant text placards and images. I did 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:04.760 see Kappa Robert Kappa. He was his image and his 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.760 story was there, which was interesting, along with dozens of 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.120 other photo photographers that died in the war on both sides. 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.640 But what I did find really interesting was the way 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:19.920 they described things. So all of the North Vietnamese that 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.959 died in the war were repeatedly referred to as patriots, 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.280 which for the winning side makes sense except where it 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:32.120 was used so prevalently. Uh, there was the puppet government 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:35.120 which was referred to as the South Vietnamese Government that 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:39.080 was set up by the US. By the way, in 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.240 English as well as totally it was all in English, 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.920 it was not in Vietnamese. It was set up for 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.240 Western tourists, so there was, but there was the proper government. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:51.680 There was. I think the word oppressors was in there was. 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:57.000 There was some very strong worded language that wasn't inflammatory, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:00.199 but it was very interesting the way it was written 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:04.960 that it definitely was saying you people came in. The 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:09.040 Americans were terrible. The French suck too, but the Americans 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:13.880 were horrid, but it would The French were pretty hard too, 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.319 but they were right. They did some bad things, but 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.280 it was very interesting. It was a three story complex. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:21.520 I didn't spend a whole lot of time in the 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:29.199 agent orange room. Uh, that was surprised. Yeah, the fetus 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.199 in a box, yeah, amound the hide box. Yeah that 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.880 was sounds kind of gross. But but other than that, 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:37.880 so that that was the worst stuff. And then they had, 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.240 like I said before, I sent you guys photos of 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.840 planes and the helicopters that had been left behind. They 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.240 put those outside. If you travel around the city, though, 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:52.600 there are fighter planes and helicopters in different military equipment 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.520 in Hanoi and more so in Saigon, actually mostly in 0:12:56.520 --> 0:13:00.280 Paigon that is on display as kind of je unrule 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:04.199 memorial stuff of look what us, well, look what we did. 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.920 Although it was just the fifty year anniversary, so a 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.520 lot of that stuff was really prevalent. It made sense 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.240 that they'd probably been putting those installations up. I'm guessing 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.520 the tanks have always been there, but the placards and 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:22.520 the billboards and stuff like that seemed to be newer. Yeah, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.200 it sounds to me like they're pretty much over it, 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.319 though I wouldn't say they were over They were celebrating 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:31.559 that they had they had, they were victorious, and they 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:35.680 freed their nation from you know, these people who came 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.720 in and took over. I mean, I mean, was the 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.800 word insurgeon. It wasn't, it was a pressor. But the 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.080 French they kicked the French out, and then the American 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.000 looked terrible they were and well, we can't not going 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.839 to vietn These our motives, our motives for coming into 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.720 the country were a little different than the French, where 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:56.560 the French actually did colonize the place, whereas we came 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.439 in and took over for the French, just because by 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.120 that time, you know, the communists are trying to take 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.880 over the country, so our motivations were a little bit different. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.520 And maybe attend at this place, but this isn't a 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.840 portable forum, so we can talk about that again sometime. 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.600 But the Yeah, anyway, so I feel like, well, I 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:17.640 was just gonna say, I feel like I was thinking 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:19.440 about like the pictures you posted and stuff, and I 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.480 was feeling like there are a lot of people wearing 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:25.400 the like you see in Japan as well, the masks, 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:29.400 the face masks. Yeah, like the medical line, yeah, the 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:34.280 medic yeah. But yeah, so so yeah, Devin is talking 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:38.480 about in the late nineties early two thousands, around the 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:40.840 time the bird flu happened. You would see those photos 0:14:40.880 --> 0:14:45.280 of people in the Asian world wearing those masks, presumably 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.560 to stop catching the flu, which is stupid because they 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:51.760 don't work, because unless it's hermetically sealed your face and 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.320 you're breathing fresh air, that doesn't work. But the point 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:59.080 is is that people now in Asia are running around 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.440 all the time with them, and it's totally because of 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.160 how dirty the air is. I was there in March 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:07.920 and it was getting to be warm and so it 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:12.479 was dusty. It is smoggy because they don't have emissions controls. 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.560 As I can tell. Everybody's runn around as scooters, which 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.040 are at the cleanest burning vehicles in the world. But 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:21.880 the mask are hilarious for a couple of reasons. One 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.560 because people wear them everywhere, not just on their scooter, 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:27.560 but you will see them walking around. You'll see them 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:31.600 in buildings and businesses, and yeah, it's kind of I 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.760 put it on. It's like wearing a hat. I put 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.760 it on and I forgot it was there, and so 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.280 I'm just wearing it. The other thing is that there's 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:44.560 the basic medical style, the papery ones with the elastic band, 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.960 but you see a lot of them that are fabric 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:50.200 and I get the feeling that they might have some 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.560 kind of like charcoal liner in them, and they have 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:57.960 fabric on them that is different Prince, so Hello Kitty, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:02.760 or dot patterns or ad patterns or anything that you 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.080 can think of. It's a fabric pattern on these masks. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:08.400 And so you just see people rolling around in them. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:11.600 I think like a skull with teeth would be kind 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:14.800 of cool. Yeah, I bet you. If I had looked 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:16.800 long enough, I would have seen that. You know what, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:20.520 it's really surprised. I didn't see everybody wears helmets. Like 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:24.440 everybody has helmets on and sometimes they're not the best 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:28.840 help in traffic or pedestrians to traffic when they're driving scooters, 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:32.320 but an open, open topped vehicles. They also seem to 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.840 wear helmets as well, like dump trucks that don't have 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:38.000 a cab top on them. I saw guys wearing helmets. 0:16:38.040 --> 0:16:40.680 But what's funny is that they're not all motorcycle or 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.640 scooter style helmets. Some of them are obviously bicycle helmets 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:49.240 as in the law is you have to have a helmet, right, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.280 it is better than nothing. What I was really surprised 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.600 was is that here you see kids and young adults 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.080 always running around with the helmets that have the Foae 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.480 mohawk on them. I didn't see one anywhere, And I'm 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.240 pretty sure I'm gonna make my fortune in Vietnam by 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:07.119 showing up with a helmet with bristles on it and 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.280 selling them on the street corner, and they're gonna go 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:13.639 like hotcakes. Yeah, it looks like a Roman centurion or something. Yeah, 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:15.760 or who was it? I guess it was the Trojan 0:17:15.800 --> 0:17:17.960 said with the war, those funny those cool little helmets 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:29.080 with the red Yeah, okay, yeah, it's cool. You know, 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:30.240 if you can wear a hell like you might as 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:32.640 well be stylish about it. Yeah. That was a big 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:35.960 thing back in the day. Crazy helmets. Oh yeah, for sure. 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.560 Tell you such apart. 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What can I do 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.040 for you, wonderful pedestrian over there? Over there, it's get 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:10.720 the hell out of my way. Actually, frankly, even most 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:14.119 places in America it's like that as well, probably West Coast, 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.959 but any pedestrian friendly. Yeah, but like in Latin America 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.600 is especially more so. It's like you're your fair game. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.600 If you're still on the street when the light changes, 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:27.760 your your fair game. So the funny thing is is that, well, okay, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:32.040 so my my boss had been to Vietnam about four 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.520 or five years ago, and when I got back, she said, oh, 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:39.560 so do they do they actually uh followed the stop signals? 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.200 Do they actually follow the lights or just keep going? 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.040 Because when I was there, nobody paid attention to the lights. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.920 When I was there, people paid attention to the lights. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:49.840 But there appears to be more cars on the road 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.879 because they're reducing the teriffs on vehicles. But as a pedestrian, 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:59.439 the rule is once you start, you don't stop, and 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.399 you stay at a consistent speed, so you have to look. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:05.280 You have to make eye contact with everybody coming at you. 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:10.359 But if you keep moving at a steady pace forward 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:15.240 don't if you were in your behavior, they will go 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:19.200 around you. And I have waded through streets that were 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:24.320 bumper to bumper scooters inside and they just kind of 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:27.560 make room and you walk through. And I had a 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.479 friend though that she's like, I have to close my 0:20:30.560 --> 0:20:34.439 eyes and just go. And at one point I was 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:36.640 next to her and she looked up and she saw 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:40.639 scooters coming and she stopped and I had to reach 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.440 out I was behind to put my hand on the 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:46.119 small of her back and give her just don't stop, 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:49.280 don't stop, don't stop. Got to the other side of 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.840 the road. So they are they're they're good about it. 0:20:52.960 --> 0:20:56.280 If you're good about it in in Southeast Asia, just 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:58.240 don't get like, you know, I have an encounter with 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:00.760 that guy that's carrying long piece of pie, because that 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.240 would suck e well, that guys to go slower, yeah, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.320 you know. And and it's funny, is the way traffic 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:09.320 appears to be is that I worry about the people 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.119 that are in front of me and directly to my 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.080 left and right in my my field of view, and 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.680 I don't give a crap about the people behind me. 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:22.200 So if you are gonna turn, you blinkers don't count. 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.199 You just start turning. But you you start turning and 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:29.399 going rather slowly, and then the traffic behind you all 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.960 pools around you and gets that and you're able. So 0:21:33.000 --> 0:21:35.399 the guy with the law on board starts making a 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.680 right hand turn and he just slowly he slows down, 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:43.040 but he goes and the stream just opens up around 0:21:43.119 --> 0:21:45.840 him and just behind him. That is the thing is, 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.440 you know. And um, you know, here in America, driving 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.000 on the streets is very very regulated. There's tons of 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.160 signs everywhere, tons of rules. You know. There's actually been 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:59.520 a few European cities that have tried taking away traffic controls, 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:01.720 signed lights and everything that actually works out, because it 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.560 turns out people can figure it out, just like just 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.399 like in some of these places in the Third World, 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:09.600 they're very few, like you honest, I was in Mexico 0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:13.280 many years ago, like and uh, and there were no 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.520 lights or stop signs or anything at these city intersections. 0:22:16.520 --> 0:22:19.720 And what would happen is is that all the traffic 0:22:19.720 --> 0:22:22.840 would just go. There'd be the stream of cars, and 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:25.840 meantime at the cross street, all those people they're just 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:29.040 sort of accumulate. And then eventually it sort of thins 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:31.439 out the stream, it turns out, and and then somebody 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:33.200 just sort of forces his way out into there in 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:35.680 that stream. And then those guys, first the first stream 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.520 has to stop when everybody else goes, you know, and 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.240 then when that starts to thin out, then these guys 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.960 forced their way through and it just yeah, and and 0:22:43.160 --> 0:22:46.160 you don't need lights. It just works, you know, So yeah, 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:50.199 and people figure it out. Yeah. It My favorite was 0:22:50.400 --> 0:22:53.320 that when we were pedestrians, and we were pedestrians the 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:57.679 whole damn time, but walking across an intersection in Hanoi 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:02.640 that was a six way intersection with it was three 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.159 streets came in. There was about a hundred foot stretch 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.160 and then they split into three directions. So you never 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.200