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For our premium members 25 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: this week, we well, we don't have a mystery for you. 26 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: We have something completely different. We have a little it's 27 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a mystery. That's it's a little 28 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: like were you doing? Is that the mystery? The mystery 29 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: is who cares? I'm kidding. It is actually really interesting. 30 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: So here's the deal for for those of you who 31 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: don't know, I recently just got back from a several 32 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: week trip to Vietnam and Cambodia, and I had a 33 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: lot of fun. And I've told these two Devin and 34 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: Joe about my my experiences and you have but you 35 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: haven't yet a liar. I have totally showed you pictures, 36 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: but you have to follow him on social media. Still 37 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: coming out. But the point is I one of the 38 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: things that I did is I had traveled overseas a 39 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and about a year later, I 40 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: realized that I was looking at pictures and I couldn't 41 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: remember details, and I wanted to be able to remember 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: those details. So I sat down and I started just 43 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: kind of stream of consciousness writing different things that I 44 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: remembered about my trip, the tiger cages, the torture, none 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: of that. But You've got a right idea so that 46 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:02,800 Speaker 1: I could recall it and I could look at it 47 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: later on and say, oh, yeah, that's exactly what I 48 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 1: was thinking, instead of years later going I remember I 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: saw this thing, but I don't remember anything about it. 50 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: And I've shared that with you two, And I could 51 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 1: just sit here and wax philosophical for twenty minutes about 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: my trip, and you'd be bored out of your cords. Well, 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: our listeners might be interested, you two would be bored, 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: and that's not fair to do to you because I'm 55 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a team player. So I sent this to you. We 56 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: talked about this. UM, I know there's questions or things 57 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: that you've found fun or funny. So I'm gonna let 58 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: YouTube kind of start off the conversation or questions and 59 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: then we'll just kind of roll it from there. Does 60 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: that work for you, guys, Devin, do you have any questions? 61 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: You had a list of things you saw on scooters 62 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: well energetic banks, guys that most you haven't traveled a 63 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: bit in the Third World myself. Modes of transportation are 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: always fascinating in some of these places that egos are 65 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: yeah they are right, yeah, So yeah, what is the 66 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: most outrageous scooter instantent you saw? Okay, so well, let's 67 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: start with scooters because that is the main form of transportation, 68 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: because while there are some cars, it turns out the 69 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: import tax on cars to Vietnam is huge, so only 70 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: the rich habit and rich are usually high powered political 71 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: figures because it's a communist country. So way it works, 72 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: everybody's poor, everybody's equal, So everybody has a scooter or 73 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: rents the scooter. So Uber is on scooters, by the way. 74 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: And there's another one called grab which I liked. But 75 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: you have to take everything you buy somewhere on a scooter. 76 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: That's I mean, that's how you get it home. And 77 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: I have a list of things here which let's just 78 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: run down this because this is fun things on scooters. 79 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 1: Half a dozen pigs in a cage and by that 80 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean like thirty forty pound pigs from the back 81 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: of the scooter. There was about a half dozen squeezed 82 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: in there. I think you guys saw that picture you 83 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: two here. Uh, there were families, entire families on scooters. 84 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: So it would be parent driving the scooter with a 85 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: child in front of them on some kind of makeshift 86 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: child seat unless they were teenage, and then they could 87 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: stand on their own on the floorboard. Child behind that 88 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: driver parent and then the other parent behind that child 89 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 1: the kind of sandwich the youngest one in between them. 90 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: So entire families, which was awesome. Let's see, oh, construction. 91 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: Construction is done using normal materials like concrete and wood 92 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: and metals and rebars and poles. You see all of 93 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: that carried by the driver or their passenger. Nothing funnier 94 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: than somebody with a twenty foot piece of metal running 95 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: length of the vehicle and they're driving. Stay out. And 96 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: by the way, traffic is dense as in, there are 97 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: scooters packed up against each other. So imagine being the 98 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: guy with the javelins just an accident waiting to happen. 99 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: That sounds I was someone. I saw one and a 100 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: half accidents my entire time there. So they're used to 101 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: this stuff. Let's see how I love this. People have pets, 102 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: so they have dogs. Dogs are kind of a favored thing, 103 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: it appears, and so they have little baskets on the 104 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: front of their their scooters, so you see dogs in that. 105 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: But it's great when you see a full sized dog 106 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: like Malla mute husky, not a scooter on the floor 107 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: the foot rail, you know, sideways looking forward, tail blowing back. 108 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: I have the little guys not burning his burning himself 109 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: on the tailpipe or anything like. No, that dog, well, no, 110 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: I think he was because there's a human between him 111 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: and the tailpipes. It was okay, let's see. Uh oh. 112 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 1: I saw a guy driving once holding a door the 113 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: passenger by the way, you know, like a door to 114 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: a house, straight up and down. So driver door straight 115 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: he was holding an episode that it was catching the 116 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: wind totally, totally like he was in the city. So 117 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: they were maybe doing fifteen or tw that's a lot 118 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: of wind. It's a lot of wind. I think I 119 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: would have held at the other door, like ninety degrees 120 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: to that. And then the other thing that I saw 121 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: there is, of course everybody has a cell phone, just 122 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: like here. All have cell phones. So nothing was funnier 123 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: to me than seeing people driving a scooter talking on 124 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: their cell phone. But even better reading there's texting. The 125 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: texting get in a car is dumb and dangerous and 126 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: you shouldn't do it, but it was scary. That was 127 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: That was actually not that long ago. I was here 128 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: in Wright in Portland and it was behind some kind 129 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: of scooter and he's just buzzing along and all of 130 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: a sudden I see it into his pocket and pull 131 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: his phone out, and he's looking and looked down at it. 132 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: I think. I don't think he wasn't actually texting back 133 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: and he was checking. Yeah. I know it's crazy, but 134 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the one of the fun 135 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: things about traveling in some of these places is like 136 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: the transportation, and like one of my one of my 137 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: favorite things to me that when I was in Bolivia 138 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: some years back, everybody down there has if you have 139 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: a car, which very few people have, but most people 140 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: have those Toyota Mini Mini bands, you know that like 141 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: a volks same size and shape as a Volkswagen bus, 142 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: like seven people. Yea seating arrangement, Yeah, except in Bolivia. 143 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,439 Speaker 1: It turns out people are people are much smaller in 144 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: Bolivia and have shorter lakes, so they actually squeeze an 145 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: extra bench in every one of those, and so there's 146 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 1: sort of a privatized transportation system in the city is 147 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: like in La Paz and stuff. But I caught this 148 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: ride to Lake Titty Cock was my friends and it 149 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,840 Speaker 1: was I was crammed into the back and we had 150 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: all of our stuff strapped to the top and everything. 151 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: And at one I counted the number of people in 152 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: there and they were including the driver in the past 153 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: and in the front faster. There were seventeen people inside 154 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: that and also some boxes and a dog inside that thing. Yeah, 155 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm not cool. And it was the most uncomfortable ride 156 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: of my life because the bench in front of me 157 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: was so close that when I got in, I shifted 158 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: my my booth of my legs were tight together and 159 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 1: I shipped them to the shifted them to the left. 160 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: There was no moving my legs and I was done 161 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: and they were squeezed tight together. So I was seriously 162 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: wondering if I was going to be sterile after it 163 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,560 Speaker 1: was the worst, the most uncomfortable ride ever. And I've 164 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: been on others that was that was just the best 165 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: or the worst, depending but yeah, that's that's one of 166 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: the fun things about traveling and some of those parts 167 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: of the world. Though what since Devin, I think you 168 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: asked the first Ye Joe, what's what's the next question? 169 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: Out of the ramblings of Vietnam? Oh, my god, the 170 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: ramblings of Vietnam? Did you see any cool any any 171 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: cool war stuff? Like did you see some of the 172 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: cool tunnel complexes that they built? So I did not 173 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: go into the tunnel complexes. You could go to a 174 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: place where you you literally had to crawl on your 175 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: hands and knees, and I wasn't interested in that. I 176 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: did go to the Vietnam War Memorial, which is a 177 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: three story building. I said, you, guys, photos of the 178 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: aircraft outside. There were U S aircraft that have been 179 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 1: left behind when they left uh Saigon. Which is funny 180 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 1: is they renamed it Ho Chi Minh City, but everybody 181 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: still calls it Saigon except on paper, which is hilarious. 182 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: But but I went to that and that that was 183 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: really really interesting because I went in not having this 184 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 1: sense of American guilt. I didn't go in thinking that, 185 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: and I didn't come out thinking that either. But what 186 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: I did find really interesting was the way it's it's 187 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: your typical museum, giant text placards and images. I did 188 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: see Kappa Robert Kappa. He was his image and his 189 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: story was there, which was interesting, along with dozens of 190 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: other photo photographers that died in the war on both sides. 191 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: But what I did find really interesting was the way 192 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: they described things. So all of the North Vietnamese that 193 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 1: died in the war were repeatedly referred to as patriots, 194 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: which for the winning side makes sense except where it 195 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: was used so prevalently. Uh, there was the puppet government 196 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: which was referred to as the South Vietnamese Government that 197 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: was set up by the US. By the way, in 198 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,240 Speaker 1: English as well as totally it was all in English, 199 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: it was not in Vietnamese. It was set up for 200 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: Western tourists, so there was, but there was the proper government. 201 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: There was. I think the word oppressors was in there was. 202 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: There was some very strong worded language that wasn't inflammatory, 203 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:00,199 Speaker 1: but it was very interesting the way it was written 204 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: that it definitely was saying you people came in. The 205 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: Americans were terrible. The French suck too, but the Americans 206 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: were horrid, but it would The French were pretty hard too, 207 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: but they were right. They did some bad things, but 208 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: it was very interesting. It was a three story complex. 209 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: I didn't spend a whole lot of time in the 210 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: agent orange room. Uh, that was surprised. Yeah, the fetus 211 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: in a box, yeah, amound the hide box. Yeah that 212 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: was sounds kind of gross. But but other than that, 213 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: so that that was the worst stuff. And then they had, 214 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: like I said before, I sent you guys photos of 215 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: planes and the helicopters that had been left behind. They 216 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: put those outside. If you travel around the city, though, 217 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: there are fighter planes and helicopters in different military equipment 218 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: in Hanoi and more so in Saigon, actually mostly in 219 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: Paigon that is on display as kind of je unrule 220 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,199 Speaker 1: memorial stuff of look what us, well, look what we did. 221 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Although it was just the fifty year anniversary, so a 222 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: lot of that stuff was really prevalent. It made sense 223 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: that they'd probably been putting those installations up. I'm guessing 224 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: the tanks have always been there, but the placards and 225 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: the billboards and stuff like that seemed to be newer. Yeah, 226 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: it sounds to me like they're pretty much over it, 227 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: though I wouldn't say they were over They were celebrating 228 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,559 Speaker 1: that they had they had, they were victorious, and they 229 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: freed their nation from you know, these people who came 230 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: in and took over. I mean, I mean, was the 231 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: word insurgeon. It wasn't, it was a pressor. But the 232 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: French they kicked the French out, and then the American 233 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: looked terrible they were and well, we can't not going 234 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: to vietn These our motives, our motives for coming into 235 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: the country were a little different than the French, where 236 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: the French actually did colonize the place, whereas we came 237 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: in and took over for the French, just because by 238 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: that time, you know, the communists are trying to take 239 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: over the country, so our motivations were a little bit different. 240 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: And maybe attend at this place, but this isn't a 241 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: portable forum, so we can talk about that again sometime. 242 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: But the Yeah, anyway, so I feel like, well, I 243 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: was just gonna say, I feel like I was thinking 244 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: about like the pictures you posted and stuff, and I 245 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: was feeling like there are a lot of people wearing 246 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: the like you see in Japan as well, the masks, 247 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: the face masks. Yeah, like the medical line, yeah, the 248 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: medic yeah. But yeah, so so yeah, Devin is talking 249 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: about in the late nineties early two thousands, around the 250 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: time the bird flu happened. You would see those photos 251 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: of people in the Asian world wearing those masks, presumably 252 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: to stop catching the flu, which is stupid because they 253 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: don't work, because unless it's hermetically sealed your face and 254 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: you're breathing fresh air, that doesn't work. But the point 255 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: is is that people now in Asia are running around 256 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: all the time with them, and it's totally because of 257 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: how dirty the air is. I was there in March 258 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: and it was getting to be warm and so it 259 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,479 Speaker 1: was dusty. It is smoggy because they don't have emissions controls. 260 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: As I can tell. Everybody's runn around as scooters, which 261 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: are at the cleanest burning vehicles in the world. But 262 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: the mask are hilarious for a couple of reasons. One 263 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: because people wear them everywhere, not just on their scooter, 264 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: but you will see them walking around. You'll see them 265 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: in buildings and businesses, and yeah, it's kind of I 266 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: put it on. It's like wearing a hat. I put 267 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: it on and I forgot it was there, and so 268 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm just wearing it. The other thing is that there's 269 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: the basic medical style, the papery ones with the elastic band, 270 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: but you see a lot of them that are fabric 271 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: and I get the feeling that they might have some 272 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: kind of like charcoal liner in them, and they have 273 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: fabric on them that is different Prince, so Hello Kitty, 274 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: or dot patterns or ad patterns or anything that you 275 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: can think of. It's a fabric pattern on these masks. 276 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: And so you just see people rolling around in them. 277 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: I think like a skull with teeth would be kind 278 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: of cool. Yeah, I bet you. If I had looked 279 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: long enough, I would have seen that. You know what, 280 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: it's really surprised. I didn't see everybody wears helmets. Like 281 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: everybody has helmets on and sometimes they're not the best 282 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: help in traffic or pedestrians to traffic when they're driving scooters, 283 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: but an open, open topped vehicles. They also seem to 284 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: wear helmets as well, like dump trucks that don't have 285 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: a cab top on them. I saw guys wearing helmets. 286 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: But what's funny is that they're not all motorcycle or 287 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: scooter style helmets. Some of them are obviously bicycle helmets 288 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: as in the law is you have to have a helmet, right, 289 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: it is better than nothing. What I was really surprised 290 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: was is that here you see kids and young adults 291 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: always running around with the helmets that have the Foae 292 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: mohawk on them. I didn't see one anywhere, And I'm 293 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: pretty sure I'm gonna make my fortune in Vietnam by 294 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: showing up with a helmet with bristles on it and 295 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: selling them on the street corner, and they're gonna go 296 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: like hotcakes. Yeah, it looks like a Roman centurion or something. Yeah, 297 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: or who was it? I guess it was the Trojan 298 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 1: said with the war, those funny those cool little helmets 299 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: with the red Yeah, okay, yeah, it's cool. You know, 300 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: if you can wear a hell like you might as 301 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: well be stylish about it. Yeah. That was a big 302 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: thing back in the day. Crazy helmets. Oh yeah, for sure. 303 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: Tell you such apart. Yeah yeah, Hey, let's let's I'll 304 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 1: take a break from all this talk about helmets and 305 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: safety and have a quick word from our sponsor. What 306 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: do you say, guys? All right? 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Now, all right, let's get back into the traffic. 320 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: But but you were talking about like traffic, and when 321 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, in Latin America, I honestly, 322 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: relationship between drivers and pedestrians it's much different than and 323 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: I think it's that way most of the because even 324 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: and that's it's like probably developed country, the attitude is 325 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 1: what can I do for you? What can I do 326 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: for you, wonderful pedestrian over there? Over there, it's get 327 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: the hell out of my way. Actually, frankly, even most 328 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: places in America it's like that as well, probably West Coast, 329 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: but any pedestrian friendly. Yeah, but like in Latin America 330 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: is especially more so. It's like you're your fair game. 331 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: If you're still on the street when the light changes, 332 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: your your fair game. So the funny thing is is that, well, okay, 333 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: so my my boss had been to Vietnam about four 334 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: or five years ago, and when I got back, she said, oh, 335 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: so do they do they actually uh followed the stop signals? 336 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 1: Do they actually follow the lights or just keep going? 337 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: Because when I was there, nobody paid attention to the lights. 338 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: When I was there, people paid attention to the lights. 339 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: But there appears to be more cars on the road 340 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 1: because they're reducing the teriffs on vehicles. But as a pedestrian, 341 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:59,439 Speaker 1: the rule is once you start, you don't stop, and 342 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: you stay at a consistent speed, so you have to look. 343 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: You have to make eye contact with everybody coming at you. 344 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: But if you keep moving at a steady pace forward 345 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: don't if you were in your behavior, they will go 346 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: around you. And I have waded through streets that were 347 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: bumper to bumper scooters inside and they just kind of 348 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: make room and you walk through. And I had a 349 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,479 Speaker 1: friend though that she's like, I have to close my 350 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: eyes and just go. And at one point I was 351 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: next to her and she looked up and she saw 352 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: scooters coming and she stopped and I had to reach 353 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: out I was behind to put my hand on the 354 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 1: small of her back and give her just don't stop, 355 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: don't stop, don't stop. Got to the other side of 356 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: the road. So they are they're they're good about it. 357 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: If you're good about it in in Southeast Asia, just 358 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: don't get like, you know, I have an encounter with 359 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: that guy that's carrying long piece of pie, because that 360 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: would suck e well, that guys to go slower, yeah, 361 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: you know. And and it's funny, is the way traffic 362 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: appears to be is that I worry about the people 363 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: that are in front of me and directly to my 364 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: left and right in my my field of view, and 365 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 1: I don't give a crap about the people behind me. 366 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: So if you are gonna turn, you blinkers don't count. 367 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: You just start turning. But you you start turning and 368 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: going rather slowly, and then the traffic behind you all 369 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: pools around you and gets that and you're able. So 370 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: the guy with the law on board starts making a 371 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: right hand turn and he just slowly he slows down, 372 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: but he goes and the stream just opens up around 373 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: him and just behind him. That is the thing is, 374 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: you know. And um, you know, here in America, driving 375 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: on the streets is very very regulated. There's tons of 376 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: signs everywhere, tons of rules. You know. There's actually been 377 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: a few European cities that have tried taking away traffic controls, 378 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: signed lights and everything that actually works out, because it 379 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: turns out people can figure it out, just like just 380 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: like in some of these places in the Third World, 381 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: they're very few, like you honest, I was in Mexico 382 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: many years ago, like and uh, and there were no 383 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: lights or stop signs or anything at these city intersections. 384 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: And what would happen is is that all the traffic 385 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: would just go. There'd be the stream of cars, and 386 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: meantime at the cross street, all those people they're just 387 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: sort of accumulate. And then eventually it sort of thins 388 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,439 Speaker 1: out the stream, it turns out, and and then somebody 389 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: just sort of forces his way out into there in 390 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 1: that stream. And then those guys, first the first stream 391 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: has to stop when everybody else goes, you know, and 392 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 1: then when that starts to thin out, then these guys 393 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: forced their way through and it just yeah, and and 394 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: you don't need lights. It just works, you know, So yeah, 395 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 1: and people figure it out. Yeah. It My favorite was 396 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: that when we were pedestrians, and we were pedestrians the 397 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: whole damn time, but walking across an intersection in Hanoi 398 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: that was a six way intersection with it was three 399 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: streets came in. There was about a hundred foot stretch 400 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: and then they split into three directions. So you never 401 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: walked through that hundred foot stretch because it was too dense. Instead, 402 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: it was easier to go to each of those three 403 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: and make your way across. Yeah, but it was totally fun. Um. 404 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: I know, we're getting close to the time. The only 405 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: other thing that I want to share is that I'm 406 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: amazed that nobody's house just spontaneously burns down because of 407 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: electrical fires. There I showed I think you guys have 408 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: seen the photo, but power polls these concrete deals that 409 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: go up. They look almost like cinder block towers, but 410 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 1: it is a literal spider webs, rats, nest of wires 411 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: going in every direction and there are multiple power boxes 412 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,959 Speaker 1: on the pole. And it turns out the reasoning for 413 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: this is that they it's called in this country, and 414 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: they all own it and they all help. So when 415 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: Devon's power goes out, Joe and Steve get together, crawl 416 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: up there and we figure out how to wire new 417 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: power to Devon's apartment. But we don't know what causes 418 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: the short and we also don't know which of the 419 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: other four boxes on that poll are live anymore. Letton 420 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: which wires our power or communication wires, And so it 421 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: just becomes this, I kid you, not dense web. There's 422 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: an artist out there. She does these really crazy installations 423 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: where she uses fishing nets like shrimp nets, and you 424 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: see it and I think I saw it in one 425 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: of the airports, but she's got the installations all over 426 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: the US, and she makes these crazy amorphous shapes by 427 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: putting these fishing nets in in you know, it'll drape 428 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: down in kind of a w shape and then pull 429 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: back up on itself and then pull back out, and 430 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: there's all this complex layering and you look up and 431 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: it's just strings going everywhere. That is what it looks 432 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: like when you look up at just about any intersection 433 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: in Vietnam, because there are so many wires everywhere. Is 434 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: there is there also power pirrating going on, and people 435 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: just sort of like, I'm sure that there is I 436 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: only I saw guys in um in jumpsuits that obviously 437 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: were the power company four times working on things. But 438 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: there was a ladder. It wasn't, you know, as if 439 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 1: they were working up high in the nest. They were 440 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: working low on a box. But I'm sure that people 441 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: are stealing power and they're stealing cable all the time. Yeah, 442 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: no doubt. How are you going to track it though 443 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: you're not. It's such a it's such a freaking messy 444 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: knows where the line goes anymore, So it doesn't really Yeah, well, 445 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: the thing is, the thing is too is you really 446 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: can't bust everybody. I mean, millions of people are doing 447 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 1: and I'm sure so you know exactly. Yeah, sounds like 448 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: close times you guys have any other random little question. 449 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: It sounds like he had a good time. And I 450 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: was like, I know that I was. I was for 451 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: a while. I was. I was sort of planning a 452 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: trip to Southeast Asia and there's this one place. It 453 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 1: was just outside of pant On, pen Yeah, and they 454 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: had you probably didn't go to this place, but this 455 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 1: place I found in the only planet guy, and it's 456 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 1: like it was cool. They had like a lot of 457 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: leftover relics from the wars. Then there's not besides the 458 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Vietnam War. Of course, there's Cambodia. Yeah, yeah, So you 459 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: can go there and you can shoot a fully automatic 460 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: ak for a price, and and and if you want 461 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 1: to pay even more, you could actually maybe toss a 462 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: live hand grenade. You know, there's all kinds of cool stuff. 463 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: You didn't do any of that, you know, when I 464 00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: when I was in Cambodia, we went to uh seem 465 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: Reap and went to Anchor Watton three or four days 466 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: touring those thousand years room, and then we went to 467 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: Sinookville or Sanokville which is on the coast, and hung 468 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 1: out on the beach. So I didn't do any of that, 469 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: but I know that there are all kinds of things 470 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: like that. But there's all kinds of things like that 471 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: in loose in Vietnam. Well, I don't think you can 472 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 1: shoot guns and blow stuff up in Vietnam Is easily, 473 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: but I'm sure you could in Cambodia and Thailand Is. 474 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: I haven't been to Thailand. From what I understand, it's 475 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 1: kind of the weirder darker. Everything happens kind of place 476 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 1: in terms of I mean there's tons of backpackers, and 477 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: I found tons of backpackers, I mean the backpacker alleys. 478 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: But it seems that that's more of a wild West 479 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: in Thailand. It's kind of anything goes place. It's definitely 480 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: know the place to go if you want to catch AIDS. 481 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Yeah it is. Yeah. I mean if I don't know 482 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 1: that that necessarily is true anywhere that you go, that 483 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: you're being foolish and not protecting yourself for sure. Now 484 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: I guess, but apparently it's it's a big like sort 485 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: of sex tourism destination for a lot of people, a 486 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: lot of Europe. Well, I guess what I meant by 487 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,399 Speaker 1: the wild West was more of people just go and 488 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: they get wasted, and the locals consider all tourists as march. 489 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was this kind of like undiscovered paradise 490 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: for a while. It's my understanding that more and more, 491 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: like with every passing year, it's becoming more and more touristy. 492 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,479 Speaker 1: It's really westernizing a lot. So you know, things are 493 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: getting marks because for a while it was like you 494 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: could go, you get an airbnb for like literally fifteen 495 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: U s. Dollars for an entire month, right, that's your 496 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: whole rent. And you just live right on you know, 497 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: everything is super super cheap. You live right on the river. 498 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: You live this like crazy Instagram life and it's super cheap, 499 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: and you know, totally dreaming. You can't do that as much. 500 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: It can't last, you know, you know what, honestly better 501 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 1: better for Thailand probably probably. But the thing when you 502 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: but I can say is that when I looked at 503 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: the cost of the currency exchanges and the cost of 504 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: things when you're this is a funny denomination thing. When 505 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: you're in Cambodia, they use the real which is four 506 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: I think it's four thousand real to an American dollar. 507 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: When you go to Vietnam, it's the viet dong, and 508 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 1: the viet dong is twenty two thousand to one U s. Dollar. 509 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: You can it's it's it's wow, it's so cheap. But 510 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: it turns out real estate is absurdly expensive there. But 511 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: even even though I mean it is like mill it 512 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: is millions of Viet dong per square foot, it's actually 513 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: not that much. It still turns out you can rent 514 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: an apartment and nice two bedroom Western is apartment not 515 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: in the heart of Hannoy, but like on the outskirts 516 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: for five d dollars a month. Trying to find a 517 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: nice two bedroom apartment in the city of Portland for 518 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: two for five hundred bucks and let me know what happens. 519 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: Even if you found a condemned two closets, it would 520 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: still cost more than So it's so it's understandable why 521 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,240 Speaker 1: this is appealing. But if you ever get anybody YouTube 522 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: or anybody listening, gets the chance to tour Southeast Asia, 523 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 1: take the opportunity. Do your research. I would recommend there 524 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: are services out there that will set up your visa 525 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: for you, because a lot of them are visa on entry, 526 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: meaning you can't apply for visa beforehand. You gotta get 527 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: it when you get there. But you can hire a 528 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: company provide your docs and just show up with your paperwork. 529 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: You privated your documentation electronically, and when you show up, 530 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: they got lou placard, says your name here, and you 531 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: say that's me, and they say great, set over there, 532 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: stupid guy. And then they say come with me, stupid person, 533 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: and they lead you to a line to a customs 534 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: official with a completed package. And then they stamp, stamp, stamp, 535 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: and all the way you go, and it takes it's 536 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: very cheap, and it takes a lot of stress and 537 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: worry out of your travels in a allows you to 538 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: enjoy your travels. I personally would be going back soon. 539 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it a lot going back to Southeast Asian. 540 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: This episode not brought to you by Southeast Asia by 541 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: the Vietnam Tourism Board. Yeah, yeah, I definitely that together. 542 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: I really want to go to Hong Kong someday since 543 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: I'd love to see Hong Kong, I do I really 544 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: the next big adventure, like me figure out how to 545 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: get there and how to navigate is I've always had 546 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: this stream of traveling to Japan because there's something about 547 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: the Japanese culture that really fascinates me, and so I 548 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: go there. I just want to ride on the Tokyo Subway. Well, 549 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: you know what's really funny is I have a friend 550 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: that just came back from a two week vacation in Japan, 551 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: and she said the great thing was is because they 552 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,000 Speaker 1: have the high speed rails, you tour the entire freaking 553 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: country and it takes twenty five minutes to an hour 554 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,479 Speaker 1: to get to somewhere way far away because the trains 555 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: are so lightning fast, rather than hopping on a bus 556 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: or trainers or a regular train or an airplane. So 557 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: that's another one that I'm thinking of. Uh, but we 558 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: are run along on time here, So for all of 559 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: our premium members, thank you for being premium members. We 560 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: really do appreciated. A Stitcher is a great place and 561 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: we're happy to be here with them. We will again, 562 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: as always, be giving you down the rabbit hole, even 563 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: though I know this one's a little bit different, but hey, 564 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: something different and fun and personal is always fun to share. 565 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: So do you do have anything else that you want 566 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: to share for today? No? No, not really. Thank I'm 567 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: trying to think of a good snappy alive from the 568 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: Deerhead or something like that, but I can't think of anything, 569 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: so okay, yeah, I guess Bye bye Hunter. I want 570 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: to know why the deer just does Okay, thank you, guys, 571 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: and it's been fun sharing this little bit of this 572 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: extra special episode and until next month. We'll talk to 573 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: you later. Hi, guys.