WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: Diddy Gets A Standing Ovation 0:00:02.440 --> 0:00:05.400 Hey, there're folks, it is fun Day, July seventh, and 0:00:05.600 --> 0:00:11.840 this will be another important week for Sean Diddy Combs. 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:15.600 Last week was certainly a big week after a big win. 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.200 And you know what he got after that win, a 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:22.560 standing ovation from a crowd of folks. Who is lawyer 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.439 now says he should serve as an inspiration for woo 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.040 wee folks, welcome to this. Did he update of Amy 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:35.000 and TJ and Robes were so intrigued and so fascinated 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:36.800 trying to get details about what was going on in 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:38.440 that chord and the behind the scenes stuff. And we're 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.920 starting to get some Mark Agnifilo, who is without a 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.560 doubt going to be a household name and a star 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:47.240 moving forward. He gave an interview to the Associated Press 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.040 and some things jumped out, including the fact did he 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:50.960 get a standing ovation? 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:53.680 That was a doozy? Right? That was a diddy doozy 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:57.240 To see that and to hear Mark Agnifilo talk about 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.160 what it was like the reception that did he go 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.440 when he left that courtroom and walked back into that 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:07.520 Brooklyn prison that they were all rallying around him. They 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.920 all were supportive and congratulating him. It's hard to imagine 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:16.399 what it's like to be Ditty in prison, and to 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.480 see that he had the support of his fellow inmates. 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:20.760 I guess maybe it shouldn't have been shocking, but it 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:21.360 kind of was. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.280 Still when you hear some of the details, I suppose 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.600 some of it starts to make sense, but I guess 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:30.600 some initial headline thinking, this is a man who was 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.119 on trial for some pretty atrocious stuff. We saw him 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:39.120 do some awful monstrous stuff. If you take it just 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.640 on that level without the context, and to think that 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:46.480 he beat the case and anybody applauding, that seems a 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.520 little in bad taste. 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.720 But these are fellow prisoners. These are people who have 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:55.640 also either been charged or convicted of probably other heinous acts, 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.720 certainly some of them violent. So perhaps it makes sense 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:01.920 if you think about it from that perspect because this 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.280 was kind of well, I believe Mark Agnefilo said, this 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:09.680 was a moment where these men in this prison, they 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.280 don't get to see anybody who beats the government, and 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.600 so this was a win in a weird way for 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:15.679 all of them. 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.480 I take, and again I said, as in context of 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.600 a standing ovation, there are a lot of people, even 0:02:22.639 --> 0:02:24.520 if they don't say it on social media, even they 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.239 don't say it publicly. They are, in their own way 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.800 applauding that the government didn't get away with what a 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.680 lot of people consider trumped up charges. This is rex 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:38.400 you're overreaching, and you should not be going out to 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:39.960 this man for this. You should be going out there 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.120 from this, this and this, which we all agree with 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:47.040 and we saw so in that context of Look, every 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.600 black man who gets charged with something in this country 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:53.480 is not Nelson Mandela. Okay, it's just not. But there 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.760 are plenty of black men who have plenty of experience, 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:57.680 and there's been plenty of evidence of how black men 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:59.799 have been treated by the justice system. So to walk 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:04.480 in to a prison and see, wow, you made it, 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.800 it was like they have almost something to aspire to 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.640 in applauding the fact that someone actually beat in a 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.480 way not got away with a crime. It's so different. 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:16.640 They're not applauding that he got away with a crime. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:21.079 They're just applauding that the government didn't get you on 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.640 this bullshit. And a lot of them, I know everybody 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.480 don't sell block D that's the joke, says they're innocent. 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:32.079 Right, Yes, everyone, It wasn't them. They've been falsely accused. 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:34.880 They didn't do what they are charged with, certainly, but 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:39.200 this so I'm curious what you think Mark Agnefillo, when 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.160 he was giving this interview to the Associated Press talking 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.600 about this win that did he had, it was a 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.840 symbolic win for all of the black men incarcerated. I 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:50.400 think he said it was the best thing he could 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.080 do for incarcerated men in America. 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.320 That's gonna be a stretch, that's gonna be That. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:56.400 Was a lot for me to read. 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.840 That's gonna be tough because of what It's so hard 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.920 to separate these two things. There are two things. It 0:04:03.000 --> 0:04:07.760 is possible that the government overreached and did ditty wrong. 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:11.280 That's possible. It's hard, on the other hand, to say 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:14.880 it in the same breath that about a guy who 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:20.400 we know committed crimes that we saw and we would 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:22.599 have no problem with him going to Britain. 0:04:22.640 --> 0:04:25.480 They were indisputable and even he admitted to it. And 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:29.600 you said the prosecution did ditty wrong potentially by overreaching 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:34.520 and charging him with charges that weren't appropriate for the 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.600 crimes that he did commit. And I think a lot 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:38.920 of folks believe the prosecution did the victims wrong by 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:39.559 that as well? 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.440 There you go, nail it. The government did everybody wrong. 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:46.280 It was wrong to go after Ditty in this way, 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.400 and it was wrong to the victims to do it. 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:53.160 I guess to stretch. It was a bit of a 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:57.359 stretch for what their experience was perhaps, and we're treating 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.720 them like what we always Domestic violence is so hard 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:03.680 in this country to deal with, to prosecute, to have 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:06.960 conversations about. And so we looked at a guy who's 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.640 a domestic abuser that don't we want we want them 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:10.240 all in prison. 0:05:10.400 --> 0:05:12.160 Yes, and he should pay for those crimes. 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.400 Nobody's arguing that point. But they're not standing up and 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.280 applauding that he got away with beating the hell out 0:05:19.320 --> 0:05:21.760 of women. Yeah, we got to be clear, that is 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.840 not what they're applauding. And I think the same thing 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:27.680 applied to the OJ Simpson trial, to where there were people, 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.320 white folks looking on one side going why are they 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:35.000 dancing and celebrating that this man got away with murder? No, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:37.039 that's not what it was about. 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.159 I'm I'm curious Mark Agnifilos that he talks to Diddy 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:43.080 four to five times a day, which I thought was 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.680 actually very interesting that that's how often they speak. But 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:50.600 when he said maybe it's this is what he relayed 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.159 to the AP that he told Diddy on one of 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:56.280 these phone calls, maybe it's your fate in life to 0:05:56.400 --> 0:06:00.040 be the guy who wins. They need to see that 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:02.720 someone can win. And he said, I think he took 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:06.720 that to heart. Do you think that the reaction, even 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:10.040 by the fellow inmates, the support he obviously had from 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:13.440 his family and friends and from his legal team, do 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.480 you think that does change him that he feels now 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.560 maybe even like he is a role model. And that's 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.520 where I was getting a little bit concerned that somehow, okay, fine, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.120 he didn't get charged with the things he shouldn't have 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:28.279 been charged with in the first place, but let's still 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.359 remember what he did and even what he admitted to doing. 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.200 Now to kind of act as if he's up on 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:35.720 a pedestal and can be a role model. This is 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.560 where I'm having a hard time with this. Now, we 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:41.320 can't take it too far the other direction. I can't. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:43.359 I just don't think that's probably a good place for 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.440 anyone to consider him, or even for him to consider 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:48.120 himself in that category. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:49.600 We'd pite down a little bit on the idea of 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.960 him being a symbol, of him being hero of any kind. 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.080 And when nobody's going that far, I understand close it's saying, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:03.640 but they never see anybody beat the government. Yes, and 0:07:03.680 --> 0:07:08.839 that's fine on particular charges that account. I'm just using 0:07:08.839 --> 0:07:12.840 that term loosely trumped up, but it is what it is. 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:17.880 And that's just the idea of anybody applauding or celebrating 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:21.400 in some way this man, Like even if you can 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.520 agree with the verdict, you still aren't hooting and hollering 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:27.200 and yay. That's just there's nothing about this case that 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.560 should be celebratory for anybody except quite frankly, for Diddy. 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:34.080 Right, and I could maybe be best in a private 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.000 celebration perhaps, But it was also interesting to hear Mark 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.400 talk to the AP about the defense strategy and how 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:45.600 they went about defending Diddy without ever putting a witness 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:46.160 on the stand. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.360 I thought it was interesting. This is a guy, Mark Agnifilo, 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:51.960 who was a federal prosecutor in Jersey who actually had 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:57.320 prosecuted gangs and other violent enterprises with racketeering, so he 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:03.000 knew federal rocketeering arges like nobody else inside, and that 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:03.920 was fascinating. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:06.200 He knew what he was doing, he knew what he 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:09.120 was up against, and he knew how to rip it apart. 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.760 He knew where the holes in that damn statue were, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.120 he knew how to go after it. And the idea 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:18.800 they walked into court with the strategy of this, Yep, 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:24.000 he's an awful boyfriend. Yep, he beats women. That does 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:27.600 not make a racketeer. Yeah, he is not a sex 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.120 trafficking racketeer. He is an awful guy to date. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:33.480 Right, they took they took the wind out of out 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.000 of the prosecution and sales by just fully admitting that 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:38.840 from the beginning and never trying to argue that he 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:41.160 was a good guy. They were like, yeah, he's a 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.240 terrible boyfriend, he's a violent boyfriend, but he is not 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:50.120 a sex trafficker and he wasn't involved in some racketeering conspiracy. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:52.720 I mean, he said it was pretty interesting, he said, 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.040 because he knows racketeering so well, having been a federal prosecutor. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:58.800 He said, if you know how the car works, you 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.040 know where the fail points are. And he said, this 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.200 prosecution had dozens, dozens of fall points. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.000 They tore it apart. It was almost shocking. This is 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.280 something they we teach kids this and as adults you 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:18.200 learn this thing, you take away somebody else's power to 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.000 insult you or come after you. If you just admit it, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.920 if you say yep, I did that, you give them 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.160 nothing else, Like what's your next thing to say? If 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:30.439 I say, yeah, I'm violent, yep, I was on drugs, yep. 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.240 Treated those women terribly as a boyfriend, yep, domestic abuser, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.760 all that stuff, Like, what's the next thing the prosecution 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:42.320 is going to say? Exactly, But but you gave two 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.840 pills to those two people, as your assistant brought to you. 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:46.319 Ha ha Stop. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.280 And he and Mark made such a good point. He 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:51.679 said they didn't have conspiracy because they basically just took 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:56.240 Diddy's private life and his deviant sexual ways and then 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.599 tried to build a racketeering case. He said, on personal assistance. 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.520 That's just common sense. It just didn't It did not 0:10:03.840 --> 0:10:06.599 rise to that level. The jury is not stupid. The 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.120 jurors knew better, and they knew those weren't the charges 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:11.600 that he was actually guilty of. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:16.559 I say, your guy, Brendan Paul babyface, Yes he is 0:10:16.640 --> 0:10:18.640 running and helping. Did he running come on? 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.640 Just seeing seeing the personal assistance take the stand and 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.160 then still actually saying how much they loved and respected him. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.800 It just it was now that you hear Mark talk 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:31.920 about it, and once you know, we were asking ourselves 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.520 when we were hearing all of the jury's questions and 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:37.480 wondering what they were thinking and which charges that, if any, 0:10:37.520 --> 0:10:40.000 they were going to find him guilty on. And and 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.160 he obviously we saw the defense team looking deflated after 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:49.320 the first day of of deliberations. But then Mark told 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:53.040 the AP what he was going through that evening and 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:55.320 then into the night, and it was pretty fascinating to 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:56.240 hear where he was. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.360 We we tried to I remember this, and I'll give 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:03.320 you credit for it. You came to the conclusion before 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.200 Mark Agnefillo. Did I remember sitting out here? We're still here. 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.880 We've talked about we're on vacation. Now I'm sitting out 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.440 what is it ninety degrees? We are blazing out here 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.680 right now, looking at two pools in an ocean. So 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.960 all that's great, But we were sitting right out here 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.720 robes the other day and we were trying to piece 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:23.200 together last week when the verdicts came down, like, wait, 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:25.199 if they're hung up on this one, but they got 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.760 decision on those flour what does that mean? What does 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:32.720 that mean? Mark Agnifilo and Diddy and the team didn't 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:35.560 immediately know what it meant, apparently, but you put it 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:40.120 together just through common sense. You came up and explained 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:43.880 it to me. Said nope, you know what, They've only 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.319 got him on two, He said, because of sex trafficking. 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:48.240 If he was guilty on sex trafficking, he'd be guilty 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:50.760 on racketeering. They can't come to a decision on racketeering. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:53.120 That means it can't be sex trafficking. That's exactly what 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:54.240 his turn he's figured out. 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:55.960 I think he said it happened he came to that 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.199 epiphany at three o'clock in the morning. Any immediately when 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.800 he saw did hey, he told him, you're you're gonna 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.199 be okay. They're not going to get you on racketeering 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.719 because they can't get you on sex trafficking, which means 0:12:09.720 --> 0:12:12.160 you're probably guilty of prostitution. And didn't he say that. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:14.320 He called a fellow attorney on the team and said, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.160 let's start working on bail because let's get him out 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:21.160 because if he's just found guilty on transportation for prostitution, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.079 we have a chance of getting him out of prison. 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.959 That is maybe the best detail from his interview with 0:12:28.000 --> 0:12:30.560 the AP. And it's fascinating to me because you and 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:32.200 I we did this. If you all want to go 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:35.400 back and listen to that previous one where the day 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.079 that the jury came back and said they were deadlocked 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.400 on count one of racketeering, you and I were in 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:42.280 real to just look, what does this mean? 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:43.360 What is it? 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.520 Well, maybe it's this, maybe it's nothing, And you were 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.720 the one you said, nope, this is it, and I 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.040 agreed on the spot you are one hundred percent. 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.400 Right, because it suddenly made sense. It was funny that 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:55.920 our process was a little messy. We weren't. We didn't 0:12:55.960 --> 0:12:57.680 have a planned out. We were just in real time 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.280 trying to spitball and figure out what could this mean? 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:02.559 What could it mean? And that's exactly what his legal 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.600 team did. And so the day that did he walked 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.240 in and that verdict was ready. The second day, he 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.120 seemed lighter, He seemed brighter because market already figured it 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.120 out and told him. And so now it's like he 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.320 had a confidence about him that he didn't have pe 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.439 step because the night before and when they left they 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.240 were hugging each other, there was concern. He told his 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.880 mom it's going to be okay, Like everybody was kind 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:30.560 of preparing for the potential worst, and then just an 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.599 epiphany happened and then suddenly there was confidence. There was 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.079 a little swagger. They knew what was coming. 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:38.160 It makes sense you again, I want to give you 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.480 credit because I remember that moment. Oh, I wait a second, 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:43.720 if they had him guilty on sex trafficking, then blah 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.080 blah blah, and it makes sense. And they figured it out. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:48.000 You figured it out faster than his attorney. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:48.160 Did. 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.319 I give you credit for it? They didn't figure out 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:50.800 They were. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.960 Probably they were probably very emotional. We were detached and 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.240 being able to look at it from, you know, a 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.160 completely different point of view without being blurred by emotion. 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:02.200 Because can you even just the responsibility you feel as 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:05.320 an attorney, what you've probably prepared your client for, but 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.800 what you're hoping for, and then if it all goes 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.439 to shit, you know that you're the one who's going 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:11.040 to be blamed. 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:13.600 And Agnaphillo has been with him throughout. He has been 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.840 with him even before he was actually arrested. I didn't realize, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.880 but Agnafillo told him when his homes were rated in 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:25.360 twenty twenty th four, twenty four, gave him my heads up, 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:28.400 You're going to be arrested for sex trafficking. He said, 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.000 they're going to arrest you for sex traffic gave him 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.960 my heads up, so they knew it was coming. Didn't 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:33.840 exactly know when, but they knew it was coming. So 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.840 it is this guy. I don't want to interview him. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.160 I want to sit down and have a drink. 0:14:38.920 --> 0:14:42.960 With him, Yeah, and just talk. It's fascinating, it really is. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:44.680 Hear a lot of this stuff. But folks, stay with 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:46.320 us here when we come back on the other side. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:51.000 Here what Agnafhillo now tells us Diddy is up to 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:54.760 and what he is going to be doing when he 0:14:54.880 --> 0:15:07.040 eventually gets out of prison. Stay here, all right. We 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.280 continue now talking about Mark Agnafilo giving an interview with 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.200 the Associated Press, giving us some more details and insights 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.880 into what happened happened during the Ditty trial and around 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:19.560 the time of the verdict, and giving us some insights 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.440 into where Diddy's head is and what he is going 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.320 to be up to when he eventually gets out of prison, 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:30.280 but robes while this is going on around verdict time, Right, 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.760 he gets that good news if you will, about all 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.240 the verdicts. But we have to remember he still has 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.400 all these civil cases going on. Got hit with another 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:43.160 one what a day or so after the verdict actually 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:46.400 comes down, And look, we shouldn't be surprised by that, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:51.080 but it was interesting here. Cassie Ventura Fine is named 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:51.920 in this new lawsuit. 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:55.680 Yes, his name is Clayton Howard and he was one 0:15:55.720 --> 0:16:00.280 of the escorts who, according to TMZ, was a heart 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:04.880 of the prosecution's case. He was referred to by a pseudonym. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:09.360 But he has now filed this lawsuit against Cassie and Diddy. 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:13.640 He says they drugged him, manipulated him, traumatized him, and 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:17.240 he said that Cassie reveled in Ditty's power. He painted 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:21.120 a very different picture of Cassie, he said. He claims 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.880 that she actually got pregnant by him, had an abortion, 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.640 didn't tell him. He claims he got an st D 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:31.520 from Cassie. I mean, he has put in some pretty 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:37.400 pretty outrageous details into this lawsuit and he we don't 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:42.640 of course, but he is speaking to a completely different 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.000 side of Cassie that was not talked about in court. 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:51.520 He very much said that Cassie embraced Ditty's power, that 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.680 he she used his power to manipulate him. So he, yeah, 0:16:55.720 --> 0:17:00.520 has named them both and so yeah him, why didn't 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.960 they call him? I don't know that answer, you know, and. 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.960 We're aware of him that did he have a different 0:17:06.960 --> 0:17:09.680 story to tell that didn't go along with the case 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.200 they were trying to put on. That question will certainly 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.880 be asked, what you say, This is a guy they 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:17.240 were aware of and all of this, the detail he 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.000 appears to have, this is wild and we were talking 0:17:20.040 --> 0:17:23.520 about Look, he is not. Look, people are on the 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:28.240 fence about it. How much was it consensual versus corrosion? 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.720 This back and forth, he is painting a picture of 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:37.240 her being a partner in crime with Ditty and they 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.800 as a duo are responsible for assaulting him. 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.600 Correct, And he also kind of well he doesn't kind of. 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.399 He goes after the prosecution saying that they were very 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:50.080 much aware that Cassie was what he said was a 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.359 co conspirator with Ditty, But he says they only cared 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:57.080 about getting Ditty, so they didn't mind putting Cassie up 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:59.879 as a victim when in his experience he claims she 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:03.200 wasn't because they only cared about bringing Diddy down. 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.040 Wow, So yes, that's still out there. We probably need 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.400 to do an update at some point. Yeah, the actual lawsuits, Yes, 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:12.359 like to get there is a collection out there of 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.760 the actual number and the count Go ahead, would. 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:16.080 You Well, I was just gonna say, if you were 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:19.480 paying close attention to the trial, he was identified as 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.000 Dave during the racketeering trial, according to him, so there 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.479 were a few times where the prosecution referred to and 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:30.080 talked about this male exotic sex worker as Dave. He 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:32.840 says that was him. So he said, believe me, the 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:36.080 US Attorney's office knew my snore story, knew all about it. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.560 They just didn't like what I had to say about Cassie, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.320 and that's why he wasn't put up on the stand. 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.600 And he according to him, there was some claim about 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.840 a delay. It was something with his attorney for why 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.119 why they didn't want the lawsuit to drop while the 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:50.000 trial was still going. 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:51.800 Correct, Because he was asked about that, he said he 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.720 did try. He said he wanted to file his civil 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.520 suit before or at least during the trial or whatever. 0:18:56.560 --> 0:19:00.880 But he says his attorney, Tyrone Blackburn, was actually trying 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.000 to protect Cassie's reputation during the trial, so he wouldn't 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:06.879 allow his lawsuit to go forward until after the trial 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.760 so as to protect Cassie. These are all of his allegations. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.159 So yes, that's still happening. But yet, no matter what 0:19:13.200 --> 0:19:15.600 happens with Diddy, and we talked about it robes anywhere 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.000 from the prosecution asking for as little as well. Was 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.520 it nine twenty one months, yes, and he served almost 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.520 ten now, so he might end up with just another 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:29.320 year in jail. The prosecution is asking for up to 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.680 five years, but again he served nine or ten months, 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.399 so worst case scenario, we're talking about four. 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.959 Years, and that's no one ever serves their actual sentence. 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.760 So he's looking at the most a couple of years 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:42.240 and that's it and he'll be out. 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:45.000 Is there a chance the judge doesn't send us them 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.960 to anything, because they're pretty plenty of legal experts saying 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.280 if this was a run of the meal person who 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:55.200 with no criminal background, with no convictions, no nothing, had 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:56.760 these charges, they go home. 0:19:56.960 --> 0:19:58.760 Who knows, they we'd go home. 0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.120 But Agnefield, he didn't tell as much about how did 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.720 he was doing? Said he's okay. That's pretty much always 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.879 okay about did he being okay? But Rose, he's always 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.760 already talking about whenever did he gets out of prison, 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.840 we know immediately what did he's going to be doing? 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:14.760 And is not getting back into the studio. Is not 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.240 trying to rebuild any type of Combs enterprise or bad 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:19.959 boy entertainment. He's working on himself. 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.960 Yes, he said he's going to enter a program and 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:26.600 actually he said re enter a program for domestic abusers. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:29.280 He said he had started the process before he was arrested. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.560 He says that did he recognizes that he has a 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.400 lot of personal issues. I believe he said he has 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.320 personal flaws that he's now come to realize he has, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:42.920 and that no amount of fame, no amount of fortune, 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.560 will erase him. That he has to do the work. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.520