Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks, it is fun Day, July seventh, and
Speaker 1: this will be another important week for Sean Diddy Combs.
Speaker 1: Last week was certainly a big week after a big win.
Speaker 1: And you know what he got after that win, a
Speaker 1: standing ovation from a crowd of folks. Who is lawyer
Speaker 1: now says he should serve as an inspiration for woo
Speaker 1: wee folks, welcome to this. Did he update of Amy
Speaker 1: and TJ and Robes were so intrigued and so fascinated
Speaker 1: trying to get details about what was going on in
Speaker 1: that chord and the behind the scenes stuff. And we're
Speaker 1: starting to get some Mark Agnifilo, who is without a
Speaker 1: doubt going to be a household name and a star
Speaker 1: moving forward. He gave an interview to the Associated Press
Speaker 1: and some things jumped out, including the fact did he
Speaker 1: get a standing ovation?
Speaker 2: That was a doozy? Right? That was a diddy doozy
Speaker 2: To see that and to hear Mark Agnifilo talk about
Speaker 2: what it was like the reception that did he go
Speaker 2: when he left that courtroom and walked back into that
Speaker 2: Brooklyn prison that they were all rallying around him. They
Speaker 2: all were supportive and congratulating him. It's hard to imagine
Speaker 2: what it's like to be Ditty in prison, and to
Speaker 2: see that he had the support of his fellow inmates.
Speaker 2: I guess maybe it shouldn't have been shocking, but it
Speaker 2: kind of was.
Speaker 1: Still when you hear some of the details, I suppose
Speaker 1: some of it starts to make sense, but I guess
Speaker 1: some initial headline thinking, this is a man who was
Speaker 1: on trial for some pretty atrocious stuff. We saw him
Speaker 1: do some awful monstrous stuff. If you take it just
Speaker 1: on that level without the context, and to think that
Speaker 1: he beat the case and anybody applauding, that seems a
Speaker 1: little in bad taste.
Speaker 2: But these are fellow prisoners. These are people who have
Speaker 2: also either been charged or convicted of probably other heinous acts,
Speaker 2: certainly some of them violent. So perhaps it makes sense
Speaker 2: if you think about it from that perspect because this
Speaker 2: was kind of well, I believe Mark Agnefilo said, this
Speaker 2: was a moment where these men in this prison, they
Speaker 2: don't get to see anybody who beats the government, and
Speaker 2: so this was a win in a weird way for
Speaker 2: all of them.
Speaker 1: I take, and again I said, as in context of
Speaker 1: a standing ovation, there are a lot of people, even
Speaker 1: if they don't say it on social media, even they
Speaker 1: don't say it publicly. They are, in their own way
Speaker 1: applauding that the government didn't get away with what a
Speaker 1: lot of people consider trumped up charges. This is rex
Speaker 1: you're overreaching, and you should not be going out to
Speaker 1: this man for this. You should be going out there
Speaker 1: from this, this and this, which we all agree with
Speaker 1: and we saw so in that context of Look, every
Speaker 1: black man who gets charged with something in this country
Speaker 1: is not Nelson Mandela. Okay, it's just not. But there
Speaker 1: are plenty of black men who have plenty of experience,
Speaker 1: and there's been plenty of evidence of how black men
Speaker 1: have been treated by the justice system. So to walk
Speaker 1: in to a prison and see, wow, you made it,
Speaker 1: it was like they have almost something to aspire to
Speaker 1: in applauding the fact that someone actually beat in a
Speaker 1: way not got away with a crime. It's so different.
Speaker 1: They're not applauding that he got away with a crime.
Speaker 1: They're just applauding that the government didn't get you on
Speaker 1: this bullshit. And a lot of them, I know everybody
Speaker 1: don't sell block D that's the joke, says they're innocent.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, everyone, It wasn't them. They've been falsely accused.
Speaker 2: They didn't do what they are charged with, certainly, but
Speaker 2: this so I'm curious what you think Mark Agnefillo, when
Speaker 2: he was giving this interview to the Associated Press talking
Speaker 2: about this win that did he had, it was a
Speaker 2: symbolic win for all of the black men incarcerated. I
Speaker 2: think he said it was the best thing he could
Speaker 2: do for incarcerated men in America.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a stretch, that's gonna be That.
Speaker 2: Was a lot for me to read.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be tough because of what It's so hard
Speaker 1: to separate these two things. There are two things. It
Speaker 1: is possible that the government overreached and did ditty wrong.
Speaker 1: That's possible. It's hard, on the other hand, to say
Speaker 1: it in the same breath that about a guy who
Speaker 1: we know committed crimes that we saw and we would
Speaker 1: have no problem with him going to Britain.
Speaker 2: They were indisputable and even he admitted to it. And
Speaker 2: you said the prosecution did ditty wrong potentially by overreaching
Speaker 2: and charging him with charges that weren't appropriate for the
Speaker 2: crimes that he did commit. And I think a lot
Speaker 2: of folks believe the prosecution did the victims wrong by
Speaker 2: that as well?
Speaker 1: There you go, nail it. The government did everybody wrong.
Speaker 1: It was wrong to go after Ditty in this way,
Speaker 1: and it was wrong to the victims to do it.
Speaker 1: I guess to stretch. It was a bit of a
Speaker 1: stretch for what their experience was perhaps, and we're treating
Speaker 1: them like what we always Domestic violence is so hard
Speaker 1: in this country to deal with, to prosecute, to have
Speaker 1: conversations about. And so we looked at a guy who's
Speaker 1: a domestic abuser that don't we want we want them
Speaker 1: all in prison.
Speaker 2: Yes, and he should pay for those crimes.
Speaker 1: Nobody's arguing that point. But they're not standing up and
Speaker 1: applauding that he got away with beating the hell out
Speaker 1: of women. Yeah, we got to be clear, that is
Speaker 1: not what they're applauding. And I think the same thing
Speaker 1: applied to the OJ Simpson trial, to where there were people,
Speaker 1: white folks looking on one side going why are they
Speaker 1: dancing and celebrating that this man got away with murder? No,
Speaker 1: that's not what it was about.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm curious Mark Agnifilos that he talks to Diddy
Speaker 2: four to five times a day, which I thought was
Speaker 2: actually very interesting that that's how often they speak. But
Speaker 2: when he said maybe it's this is what he relayed
Speaker 2: to the AP that he told Diddy on one of
Speaker 2: these phone calls, maybe it's your fate in life to
Speaker 2: be the guy who wins. They need to see that
Speaker 2: someone can win. And he said, I think he took
Speaker 2: that to heart. Do you think that the reaction, even
Speaker 2: by the fellow inmates, the support he obviously had from
Speaker 2: his family and friends and from his legal team, do
Speaker 2: you think that does change him that he feels now
Speaker 2: maybe even like he is a role model. And that's
Speaker 2: where I was getting a little bit concerned that somehow, okay, fine,
Speaker 2: he didn't get charged with the things he shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been charged with in the first place, but let's still
Speaker 2: remember what he did and even what he admitted to doing.
Speaker 2: Now to kind of act as if he's up on
Speaker 2: a pedestal and can be a role model. This is
Speaker 2: where I'm having a hard time with this. Now, we
Speaker 2: can't take it too far the other direction. I can't.
Speaker 2: I just don't think that's probably a good place for
Speaker 2: anyone to consider him, or even for him to consider
Speaker 2: himself in that category.
Speaker 1: We'd pite down a little bit on the idea of
Speaker 1: him being a symbol, of him being hero of any kind.
Speaker 1: And when nobody's going that far, I understand close it's saying,
Speaker 1: but they never see anybody beat the government. Yes, and
Speaker 1: that's fine on particular charges that account. I'm just using
Speaker 1: that term loosely trumped up, but it is what it is.
Speaker 1: And that's just the idea of anybody applauding or celebrating
Speaker 1: in some way this man, Like even if you can
Speaker 1: agree with the verdict, you still aren't hooting and hollering
Speaker 1: and yay. That's just there's nothing about this case that
Speaker 1: should be celebratory for anybody except quite frankly, for Diddy.
Speaker 3: Right, and I could maybe be best in a private
Speaker 3: celebration perhaps, But it was also interesting to hear Mark
Speaker 3: talk to the AP about the defense strategy and how
Speaker 3: they went about defending Diddy without ever putting a witness
Speaker 3: on the stand.
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. This is a guy, Mark Agnifilo,
Speaker 2: who was a federal prosecutor in Jersey who actually had
Speaker 2: prosecuted gangs and other violent enterprises with racketeering, so he
Speaker 2: knew federal rocketeering arges like nobody else inside, and that
Speaker 2: was fascinating.
Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing, he knew what he
Speaker 1: was up against, and he knew how to rip it apart.
Speaker 1: He knew where the holes in that damn statue were,
Speaker 1: he knew how to go after it. And the idea
Speaker 1: they walked into court with the strategy of this, Yep,
Speaker 1: he's an awful boyfriend. Yep, he beats women. That does
Speaker 1: not make a racketeer. Yeah, he is not a sex
Speaker 1: trafficking racketeer. He is an awful guy to date.
Speaker 2: Right, they took they took the wind out of out
Speaker 2: of the prosecution and sales by just fully admitting that
Speaker 2: from the beginning and never trying to argue that he
Speaker 2: was a good guy. They were like, yeah, he's a
Speaker 2: terrible boyfriend, he's a violent boyfriend, but he is not
Speaker 2: a sex trafficker and he wasn't involved in some racketeering conspiracy.
Speaker 2: I mean, he said it was pretty interesting, he said,
Speaker 2: because he knows racketeering so well, having been a federal prosecutor.
Speaker 2: He said, if you know how the car works, you
Speaker 2: know where the fail points are. And he said, this
Speaker 2: prosecution had dozens, dozens of fall points.
Speaker 1: They tore it apart. It was almost shocking. This is
Speaker 1: something they we teach kids this and as adults you
Speaker 1: learn this thing, you take away somebody else's power to
Speaker 1: insult you or come after you. If you just admit it,
Speaker 1: if you say yep, I did that, you give them
Speaker 1: nothing else, Like what's your next thing to say? If
Speaker 1: I say, yeah, I'm violent, yep, I was on drugs, yep.
Speaker 1: Treated those women terribly as a boyfriend, yep, domestic abuser,
Speaker 1: all that stuff, Like, what's the next thing the prosecution
Speaker 1: is going to say? Exactly, But but you gave two
Speaker 1: pills to those two people, as your assistant brought to you.
Speaker 1: Ha ha Stop.
Speaker 2: And he and Mark made such a good point. He
Speaker 2: said they didn't have conspiracy because they basically just took
Speaker 2: Diddy's private life and his deviant sexual ways and then
Speaker 2: tried to build a racketeering case. He said, on personal assistance.
Speaker 2: That's just common sense. It just didn't It did not
Speaker 2: rise to that level. The jury is not stupid. The
Speaker 2: jurors knew better, and they knew those weren't the charges
Speaker 2: that he was actually guilty of.
Speaker 1: I say, your guy, Brendan Paul babyface, Yes he is
Speaker 1: running and helping. Did he running come on?
Speaker 2: Just seeing seeing the personal assistance take the stand and
Speaker 2: then still actually saying how much they loved and respected him.
Speaker 2: It just it was now that you hear Mark talk
Speaker 2: about it, and once you know, we were asking ourselves
Speaker 2: when we were hearing all of the jury's questions and
Speaker 2: wondering what they were thinking and which charges that, if any,
Speaker 2: they were going to find him guilty on. And and
Speaker 2: he obviously we saw the defense team looking deflated after
Speaker 2: the first day of of deliberations. But then Mark told
Speaker 2: the AP what he was going through that evening and
Speaker 2: then into the night, and it was pretty fascinating to
Speaker 2: hear where he was.
Speaker 1: We we tried to I remember this, and I'll give
Speaker 1: you credit for it. You came to the conclusion before
Speaker 1: Mark Agnefillo. Did I remember sitting out here? We're still here.
Speaker 1: We've talked about we're on vacation. Now I'm sitting out
Speaker 1: what is it ninety degrees? We are blazing out here
Speaker 1: right now, looking at two pools in an ocean. So
Speaker 1: all that's great, But we were sitting right out here
Speaker 1: robes the other day and we were trying to piece
Speaker 1: together last week when the verdicts came down, like, wait,
Speaker 1: if they're hung up on this one, but they got
Speaker 1: decision on those flour what does that mean? What does
Speaker 1: that mean? Mark Agnifilo and Diddy and the team didn't
Speaker 1: immediately know what it meant, apparently, but you put it
Speaker 1: together just through common sense. You came up and explained
Speaker 1: it to me. Said nope, you know what, They've only
Speaker 1: got him on two, He said, because of sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: If he was guilty on sex trafficking, he'd be guilty
Speaker 1: on racketeering. They can't come to a decision on racketeering.
Speaker 1: That means it can't be sex trafficking. That's exactly what
Speaker 1: his turn he's figured out.
Speaker 2: I think he said it happened he came to that
Speaker 2: epiphany at three o'clock in the morning. Any immediately when
Speaker 2: he saw did hey, he told him, you're you're gonna
Speaker 2: be okay. They're not going to get you on racketeering
Speaker 2: because they can't get you on sex trafficking, which means
Speaker 2: you're probably guilty of prostitution. And didn't he say that.
Speaker 2: He called a fellow attorney on the team and said,
Speaker 2: let's start working on bail because let's get him out
Speaker 2: because if he's just found guilty on transportation for prostitution,
Speaker 2: we have a chance of getting him out of prison.
Speaker 1: That is maybe the best detail from his interview with
Speaker 1: the AP. And it's fascinating to me because you and
Speaker 1: I we did this. If you all want to go
Speaker 1: back and listen to that previous one where the day
Speaker 1: that the jury came back and said they were deadlocked
Speaker 1: on count one of racketeering, you and I were in
Speaker 1: real to just look, what does this mean?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Well, maybe it's this, maybe it's nothing, And you were
Speaker 1: the one you said, nope, this is it, and I
Speaker 1: agreed on the spot you are one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Right, because it suddenly made sense. It was funny that
Speaker 2: our process was a little messy. We weren't. We didn't
Speaker 2: have a planned out. We were just in real time
Speaker 2: trying to spitball and figure out what could this mean?
Speaker 2: What could it mean? And that's exactly what his legal
Speaker 2: team did. And so the day that did he walked
Speaker 2: in and that verdict was ready. The second day, he
Speaker 2: seemed lighter, He seemed brighter because market already figured it
Speaker 2: out and told him. And so now it's like he
Speaker 2: had a confidence about him that he didn't have pe
Speaker 2: step because the night before and when they left they
Speaker 2: were hugging each other, there was concern. He told his
Speaker 2: mom it's going to be okay, Like everybody was kind
Speaker 2: of preparing for the potential worst, and then just an
Speaker 2: epiphany happened and then suddenly there was confidence. There was
Speaker 2: a little swagger. They knew what was coming.
Speaker 1: It makes sense you again, I want to give you
Speaker 1: credit because I remember that moment. Oh, I wait a second,
Speaker 1: if they had him guilty on sex trafficking, then blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, and it makes sense. And they figured it out.
Speaker 1: You figured it out faster than his attorney.
Speaker 2: Did.
Speaker 1: I give you credit for it? They didn't figure out
Speaker 1: They were.
Speaker 2: Probably they were probably very emotional. We were detached and
Speaker 2: being able to look at it from, you know, a
Speaker 2: completely different point of view without being blurred by emotion.
Speaker 2: Because can you even just the responsibility you feel as
Speaker 2: an attorney, what you've probably prepared your client for, but
Speaker 2: what you're hoping for, and then if it all goes
Speaker 2: to shit, you know that you're the one who's going
Speaker 2: to be blamed.
Speaker 1: And Agnaphillo has been with him throughout. He has been
Speaker 1: with him even before he was actually arrested. I didn't realize,
Speaker 1: but Agnafillo told him when his homes were rated in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty th four, twenty four, gave him my heads up,
Speaker 1: You're going to be arrested for sex trafficking. He said,
Speaker 1: they're going to arrest you for sex traffic gave him
Speaker 1: my heads up, so they knew it was coming. Didn't
Speaker 1: exactly know when, but they knew it was coming. So
Speaker 1: it is this guy. I don't want to interview him.
Speaker 1: I want to sit down and have a drink.
Speaker 2: With him, Yeah, and just talk. It's fascinating, it really is.
Speaker 1: Hear a lot of this stuff. But folks, stay with
Speaker 1: us here when we come back on the other side.
Speaker 1: Here what Agnafhillo now tells us Diddy is up to
Speaker 1: and what he is going to be doing when he
Speaker 1: eventually gets out of prison. Stay here, all right. We
Speaker 1: continue now talking about Mark Agnafilo giving an interview with
Speaker 1: the Associated Press, giving us some more details and insights
Speaker 1: into what happened happened during the Ditty trial and around
Speaker 1: the time of the verdict, and giving us some insights
Speaker 1: into where Diddy's head is and what he is going
Speaker 1: to be up to when he eventually gets out of prison,
Speaker 1: but robes while this is going on around verdict time, Right,
Speaker 1: he gets that good news if you will, about all
Speaker 1: the verdicts. But we have to remember he still has
Speaker 1: all these civil cases going on. Got hit with another
Speaker 1: one what a day or so after the verdict actually
Speaker 1: comes down, And look, we shouldn't be surprised by that,
Speaker 1: but it was interesting here. Cassie Ventura Fine is named
Speaker 1: in this new lawsuit.
Speaker 2: Yes, his name is Clayton Howard and he was one
Speaker 2: of the escorts who, according to TMZ, was a heart
Speaker 2: of the prosecution's case. He was referred to by a pseudonym.
Speaker 2: But he has now filed this lawsuit against Cassie and Diddy.
Speaker 2: He says they drugged him, manipulated him, traumatized him, and
Speaker 2: he said that Cassie reveled in Ditty's power. He painted
Speaker 2: a very different picture of Cassie, he said. He claims
Speaker 2: that she actually got pregnant by him, had an abortion,
Speaker 2: didn't tell him. He claims he got an st D
Speaker 2: from Cassie. I mean, he has put in some pretty
Speaker 2: pretty outrageous details into this lawsuit and he we don't
Speaker 2: of course, but he is speaking to a completely different
Speaker 2: side of Cassie that was not talked about in court.
Speaker 2: He very much said that Cassie embraced Ditty's power, that
Speaker 2: he she used his power to manipulate him. So he, yeah,
Speaker 2: has named them both and so yeah him, why didn't
Speaker 2: they call him? I don't know that answer, you know, and.
Speaker 1: We're aware of him that did he have a different
Speaker 1: story to tell that didn't go along with the case
Speaker 1: they were trying to put on. That question will certainly
Speaker 1: be asked, what you say, This is a guy they
Speaker 1: were aware of and all of this, the detail he
Speaker 1: appears to have, this is wild and we were talking
Speaker 1: about Look, he is not. Look, people are on the
Speaker 1: fence about it. How much was it consensual versus corrosion?
Speaker 1: This back and forth, he is painting a picture of
Speaker 1: her being a partner in crime with Ditty and they
Speaker 1: as a duo are responsible for assaulting him.
Speaker 2: Correct, And he also kind of well he doesn't kind of.
Speaker 2: He goes after the prosecution saying that they were very
Speaker 2: much aware that Cassie was what he said was a
Speaker 2: co conspirator with Ditty, But he says they only cared
Speaker 2: about getting Ditty, so they didn't mind putting Cassie up
Speaker 2: as a victim when in his experience he claims she
Speaker 2: wasn't because they only cared about bringing Diddy down.
Speaker 1: Wow, So yes, that's still out there. We probably need
Speaker 1: to do an update at some point. Yeah, the actual lawsuits, Yes,
Speaker 1: like to get there is a collection out there of
Speaker 1: the actual number and the count Go ahead, would.
Speaker 2: You Well, I was just gonna say, if you were
Speaker 2: paying close attention to the trial, he was identified as
Speaker 2: Dave during the racketeering trial, according to him, so there
Speaker 2: were a few times where the prosecution referred to and
Speaker 2: talked about this male exotic sex worker as Dave. He
Speaker 2: says that was him. So he said, believe me, the
Speaker 2: US Attorney's office knew my snore story, knew all about it.
Speaker 2: They just didn't like what I had to say about Cassie,
Speaker 2: and that's why he wasn't put up on the stand.
Speaker 1: And he according to him, there was some claim about
Speaker 1: a delay. It was something with his attorney for why
Speaker 1: why they didn't want the lawsuit to drop while the
Speaker 1: trial was still going.
Speaker 2: Correct, Because he was asked about that, he said he
Speaker 2: did try. He said he wanted to file his civil
Speaker 2: suit before or at least during the trial or whatever.
Speaker 2: But he says his attorney, Tyrone Blackburn, was actually trying
Speaker 2: to protect Cassie's reputation during the trial, so he wouldn't
Speaker 2: allow his lawsuit to go forward until after the trial
Speaker 2: so as to protect Cassie. These are all of his allegations.
Speaker 1: So yes, that's still happening. But yet, no matter what
Speaker 1: happens with Diddy, and we talked about it robes anywhere
Speaker 1: from the prosecution asking for as little as well. Was
Speaker 1: it nine twenty one months, yes, and he served almost
Speaker 1: ten now, so he might end up with just another
Speaker 1: year in jail. The prosecution is asking for up to
Speaker 1: five years, but again he served nine or ten months,
Speaker 1: so worst case scenario, we're talking about four.
Speaker 2: Years, and that's no one ever serves their actual sentence.
Speaker 2: So he's looking at the most a couple of years
Speaker 2: and that's it and he'll be out.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance the judge doesn't send us them
Speaker 1: to anything, because they're pretty plenty of legal experts saying
Speaker 1: if this was a run of the meal person who
Speaker 1: with no criminal background, with no convictions, no nothing, had
Speaker 1: these charges, they go home.
Speaker 2: Who knows, they we'd go home.
Speaker 1: But Agnefield, he didn't tell as much about how did
Speaker 1: he was doing? Said he's okay. That's pretty much always
Speaker 1: okay about did he being okay? But Rose, he's always
Speaker 1: already talking about whenever did he gets out of prison,
Speaker 1: we know immediately what did he's going to be doing?
Speaker 1: And is not getting back into the studio. Is not
Speaker 1: trying to rebuild any type of Combs enterprise or bad
Speaker 1: boy entertainment. He's working on himself.
Speaker 2: Yes, he said he's going to enter a program and
Speaker 2: actually he said re enter a program for domestic abusers.
Speaker 2: He said he had started the process before he was arrested.
Speaker 2: He says that did he recognizes that he has a
Speaker 2: lot of personal issues. I believe he said he has
Speaker 2: personal flaws that he's now come to realize he has,
Speaker 2: and that no amount of fame, no amount of fortune,
Speaker 2: will erase him. That he has to do the work.
Speaker 2: And so he says that his client is prepared to
Speaker 2: do the work. I believe he said, yes, did he
Speaker 2: burns hot in all matters? I mean, so basically he's admitting,
Speaker 2: they're admitting that he has a massive anger issue or
Speaker 2: you know, anger management issue. He can't control his rage.
Speaker 1: Do we take look. I don't know is there a
Speaker 1: redemption in this? It's hard when you see the video.
Speaker 1: What do we do? I mean, what do we do?
Speaker 1: I mean, we got years to figure that out. If
Speaker 1: somebody never wants to see this man's face again, I
Speaker 1: hear his name, I hear a single song, I would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I don't know what, grace. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to go about when it's something this that
Speaker 1: we saw and we heard so much about being that egregious. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think it's mob boss type stuff, but some
Speaker 1: pretty awful stuff it is.
Speaker 2: I am somebody who believes that most people can can
Speaker 2: redeem themselves. But it's going to take a lot of time,
Speaker 2: a lot of years, a lot of work, and a
Speaker 2: lot of hard work, and he's going to have to
Speaker 2: prove it publicly. I don't I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: that he'll. I mean, it's hard to imagine he'd ever
Speaker 2: become anywhere close to the success he was beforehand. But
Speaker 2: you know what, I am a believer in I am
Speaker 2: a believer in redemption. But you have to do the time.
Speaker 2: You have to pay the consequences first, and then you
Speaker 2: have to do the work. I think you have to
Speaker 2: have I mean, rehabilitation is huge and important, but I
Speaker 2: think you have to you have to do the time first.
Speaker 2: You have to be punished first. And that's what he's
Speaker 2: going through right now.
Speaker 1: Was that where we are, we're deciding whether or not
Speaker 1: justice has been served based on the crimes that we saw. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what is the what is justice? Is it? So
Speaker 1: many years in prison? Does it matter what the charge is?
Speaker 1: I mean al Capone went to prison for tax evasion.
Speaker 1: Correct the number of people he was responsible for killing
Speaker 1: and the harm he did, but he still went to prison.
Speaker 1: I mean, is that justice? I don't.
Speaker 2: It's a version of it. It might not be perfect,
Speaker 2: but it's a version of it. And I think everyone
Speaker 2: of the judge agreed that did he needed to stay
Speaker 2: behind bars, that he was not someone that they could trust,
Speaker 2: not only to not as a flight risk, but also
Speaker 2: just his violent nature. And that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: So he you know, they got whether they say retribution
Speaker 2: before rehabilitation. That is what's happening now, and it's good
Speaker 2: to hear that. That is his plan when he gets
Speaker 2: out is to go directly into a program for abusers.
Speaker 1: Look those the women involved, Look I believe Mia yep,
Speaker 1: I believe Jane, I believe cass even to refine, I
Speaker 1: believe saying the stories they have. I believe that every
Speaker 1: bit of those stories should be applied to a case
Speaker 1: to put him away for domestic abuse, for whatever, violence,
Speaker 1: for threats for what. I agree, no argument.
Speaker 2: Just not for racketeering and conspiracy and sex trafficking.
Speaker 1: No argument people have. But I think that's now, unfortunately
Speaker 1: to speeding that he got away with beating women. He
Speaker 1: got away with abusing women.
Speaker 2: And that's the prosecution's fault, and that's just that's just
Speaker 2: my humble opinion. And Tuesday tomorrow we are going to
Speaker 2: get maybe a little bit more of a sense as
Speaker 2: to when his sentencing will actually take place. It was
Speaker 2: announced October third at the trial, but then the judge
Speaker 2: decided that he would hear the defense's argument to expedite
Speaker 2: that hearing so that he could go ahead and get
Speaker 2: an earlier sentencing date so we can continue serving his time.
Speaker 2: He's getting credit for time served. But we'll have more
Speaker 2: information tomorrow after that. It's a video conference that's happening.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I think just nothing in open court of
Speaker 1: any kind. I don't think the public's going to see that.
Speaker 1: I think is just really a private conference with the job.
Speaker 1: I think that happens right, judges and the attorneys, yep,
Speaker 1: just going to discuss so we should get some info
Speaker 1: and see when he might be sentence. But they're trying
Speaker 1: to speed this thing along. They've won now, let's the
Speaker 1: clock is ticking on him getting out of jail.
Speaker 2: Period. All right, Well, we will continue to update you,
Speaker 2: believe me, anytime we get any more details about what happened.
Speaker 2: We've heard from a futurors we've heard from but nothing,
Speaker 2: nothing significant, So there's probably a lot more details to
Speaker 2: come out, and certainly we'll let you know what happened
Speaker 2: with tomorrow's conference. But thank you for listening to us.
Speaker 2: As always, we appreciate you. I'm Ami robock On, behalf
Speaker 2: of my partner T. J. Holmes. I hope you all
Speaker 2: have a wonderful day today.