WEBVTT - Hell and Gone Murder Line: Taylor Barksdale Part 3 0:00:08.285 --> 0:00:11.405 School of Humans. 0:00:12.125 --> 0:00:14.565 We've been trying to figure out what happened to Taylor 0:00:14.605 --> 0:00:17.565 Barksdale in the last few weeks of her life that 0:00:17.725 --> 0:00:21.205 led her to Kingston, Arkansas at twelve thirty four. 0:00:21.285 --> 0:00:23.085 On August fifth, twenty twenty. 0:00:22.805 --> 0:00:25.485 Four, a nine to one to one caller reported that 0:00:25.645 --> 0:00:28.685 she could hear a woman screaming on a rural property 0:00:28.725 --> 0:00:31.325 in Kingston. The nine to one one caller said the 0:00:31.365 --> 0:00:35.205 woman sounded like she was being raped or tortured. Just 0:00:35.285 --> 0:00:38.805 over a month later, on September ninth, Taylor's remains were 0:00:38.845 --> 0:00:40.685 found in a field near where the nine to one 0:00:40.685 --> 0:00:43.765 one call was made. We have made some headway in 0:00:43.805 --> 0:00:46.685 finding out what was going on in Taylor Barksdale's life 0:00:46.925 --> 0:00:50.045 during the last few weeks. We know that she had 0:00:50.085 --> 0:00:53.525 been staying on and off with her ex boyfriend Kenny, 0:00:53.565 --> 0:00:58.805 but something happened in Taylor's life on or around July twentieth. Apparently, 0:00:58.965 --> 0:01:03.245 Taylor and Kenny got into an argument. After that, Kenny's 0:01:03.245 --> 0:01:05.725 neighbors say that they didn't see her come back to 0:01:05.765 --> 0:01:10.005 Kenny's residence after July twentieth. Taylor was staying on and 0:01:10.045 --> 0:01:12.645 off with different friends, and two of those friends who 0:01:12.685 --> 0:01:15.725 she was hanging out with were men mutual friends of 0:01:15.765 --> 0:01:18.685 hers and Kenney's. One of the men lived in a 0:01:18.685 --> 0:01:20.845 camper on a piece of land near where the nine 0:01:20.885 --> 0:01:25.125 to one one call originated from. So who are these 0:01:25.165 --> 0:01:28.685 two men, how do they know Taylor? And what happened 0:01:28.725 --> 0:01:32.085 to Taylor that led to her death and her remains 0:01:32.165 --> 0:01:35.765 being found in a field. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the 0:01:35.805 --> 0:01:39.325 past five years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone, 0:01:39.445 --> 0:01:41.445 I've learned that there is no such thing as a 0:01:41.485 --> 0:01:45.085 small town where murder never happens. I have received hundreds 0:01:45.125 --> 0:01:47.925 of messages from people all around the country asking for 0:01:47.965 --> 0:01:51.045 help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families, 0:01:51.125 --> 0:01:52.045 and their communities. 0:01:52.645 --> 0:01:53.325 If you have a. 0:01:53.285 --> 0:01:55.125 Case you'd like me and my team to look into, 0:01:55.605 --> 0:01:57.485 you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone 0:01:57.525 --> 0:02:00.845 Murder Line at six seven eight seven four four six 0:02:00.965 --> 0:02:04.605 one four five that's six seven eight seven four four, 0:02:04.925 --> 0:02:07.805 six one four or five, or you can send us 0:02:07.845 --> 0:02:12.285 a message on Instagram at Helen Gonpod. This is Helen 0:02:12.325 --> 0:03:05.285 Gone Murder Line. Before we talk about Taylor, I want 0:03:05.285 --> 0:03:08.245 to say a word about closure, because I've been getting 0:03:08.245 --> 0:03:11.525 some texts and messages from people asking me if these 0:03:11.565 --> 0:03:15.245 stories are over after three or four episodes, they're asking 0:03:15.325 --> 0:03:19.605 for how things end, and I get it. Unsolved cases, 0:03:19.805 --> 0:03:22.445 by their nature don't have closure yet. I would just 0:03:22.525 --> 0:03:26.045 ask everyone out there please to have patience, because if 0:03:26.085 --> 0:03:29.845 it's frustrating to listeners, imagine what it must be like 0:03:29.965 --> 0:03:33.485 for families to not have these answers. I wish that 0:03:33.565 --> 0:03:37.045 I could bring every four episode arc to a conclusion 0:03:37.285 --> 0:03:41.245 where the right person was prosecuted. I wish that real 0:03:41.285 --> 0:03:44.765 life worked like an episode of Law and Order. Unfortunately 0:03:45.085 --> 0:03:49.125 it doesn't. With these ongoing investigations, we're on the ground 0:03:49.245 --> 0:03:52.885 trying to help families and the community find answers. As 0:03:52.925 --> 0:03:56.085 of now, there is no satisfying ending, but we are 0:03:56.165 --> 0:03:59.325 trying to get there, and for that we need your help. 0:04:00.005 --> 0:04:02.725 So I'm gonna say something again that I find myself 0:04:02.765 --> 0:04:03.405 saying a lot. 0:04:03.245 --> 0:04:04.445 In this podcast. 0:04:04.805 --> 0:04:08.365 Let's go back to the timeline, because this week we 0:04:08.525 --> 0:04:12.565 found some inconsistencies. One of the most frustrating things about 0:04:12.565 --> 0:04:15.245 Taylor's case is that it seems like we can't even 0:04:15.245 --> 0:04:18.925 get the most basic facts confirmed by police. For example, 0:04:19.165 --> 0:04:21.405 when was the nine to one one call made? Were 0:04:21.445 --> 0:04:23.885 there other nine to one one calls that night, or 0:04:24.125 --> 0:04:27.085 a second call to a non emergency number made after 0:04:27.125 --> 0:04:30.605 the deputy failed to respond. The Madison County Sheriff's office 0:04:30.605 --> 0:04:34.525 says no, but we're trying to get dispatch reports and 0:04:34.605 --> 0:04:36.685 see if we can verify some of this information. 0:04:37.605 --> 0:04:39.965 We do know the original nine to one one call. 0:04:39.965 --> 0:04:42.885 Was made at to twelve thirty four am on Monday, 0:04:42.965 --> 0:04:47.445 August fifth, twenty twenty four. We also talked to two witnesses, 0:04:48.045 --> 0:04:51.125 two women, who say they believe that they saw Taylor 0:04:51.405 --> 0:04:54.685 shortly before she was killed. One of the witness's names 0:04:54.725 --> 0:04:58.925 is Patricia. She says she didn't realize until afterwards that 0:04:59.005 --> 0:05:02.285 when Taylor left her home that she could have been 0:05:02.365 --> 0:05:05.485 one of the last people to see her alive. Patricia's 0:05:05.565 --> 0:05:07.645 said she was hanging out at home with a friend 0:05:07.645 --> 0:05:10.565 of hers. We've talked to this friend as well separately. 0:05:10.885 --> 0:05:13.125 She asked us not to use her name. It's bleep 0:05:13.205 --> 0:05:17.365 throughout this episode. At first, Patricia believed that Taylor and 0:05:17.445 --> 0:05:20.245 two men came over on Sunday. 0:05:20.005 --> 0:05:20.765 August fourth. 0:05:21.485 --> 0:05:24.805 Later, after checking with her friend and confirming the text 0:05:24.845 --> 0:05:27.805 messages they sent and the time stamps, she said she 0:05:28.005 --> 0:05:30.045 realized that she had been wrong about the date and 0:05:30.085 --> 0:05:32.765 that actually Taylor and the two men came over on the. 0:05:32.805 --> 0:05:33.685 Night of August fifth. 0:05:34.805 --> 0:05:36.645 For now, we're going to refer to these guys by 0:05:36.645 --> 0:05:39.885 their first initials, but since they have the same first 0:05:39.885 --> 0:05:42.605 initial B, we're going to call them B one and 0:05:42.685 --> 0:05:46.005 B two. The first guy, B one, lives in a 0:05:46.045 --> 0:05:49.285 camper near the area where Taylor's remains were found. Both 0:05:49.325 --> 0:05:52.205 of these guys, B one and B two were Taylor's friends. 0:05:52.605 --> 0:05:55.285 As we said before, they also knew her ex boyfriend Kenny. 0:05:55.725 --> 0:05:59.565 It's a small town, so pretty much everyone knew everyone. 0:05:59.645 --> 0:06:02.445 As we said last week, Taylor had been hanging out 0:06:02.485 --> 0:06:04.805 in Kingston, in the area and near where the nine 0:06:04.885 --> 0:06:07.725 one one call was made in the weeks after July twentieth. 0:06:08.685 --> 0:06:12.885 Patricia knew Taylor, but Patricia said that prior to Taylor 0:06:12.965 --> 0:06:15.325 and these two guys showing up at her house, she 0:06:15.445 --> 0:06:19.085 hadn't seen Taylor in around three years. That night, at 0:06:19.085 --> 0:06:22.405 around ten pm, Taylor, B one, and B two showed 0:06:22.485 --> 0:06:25.645 up together. Patricia said they were looking to buy drugs. 0:06:26.045 --> 0:06:28.445 Her friend was already there hanging out with her. 0:06:29.605 --> 0:06:34.565 Well, me and you've been speaking with also, Well, she 0:06:34.965 --> 0:06:37.845 and I were sitting here at my house and it 0:06:37.925 --> 0:06:42.525 was about ten o'clock or so at night, and they 0:06:42.565 --> 0:06:49.605 come pulling up, and it was and Taylor. They were 0:06:49.685 --> 0:06:52.725 you know, they were driving them around, is what I 0:06:53.205 --> 0:06:57.925 what I understood about it, because owned the vehicle, okay, right, 0:06:58.565 --> 0:07:01.285 And they came in and they were looking They were 0:07:01.285 --> 0:07:03.325 looking for illegal drugs, is what they was looking for. 0:07:03.885 --> 0:07:07.605 And there wasn't any here, and I told them that 0:07:08.165 --> 0:07:11.925 we don't have it. There's nothing here, and so they 0:07:12.005 --> 0:07:16.085 him hauled around a little bit. And then Taylor were 0:07:16.125 --> 0:07:19.845 sitting on my couch, or actually was standing there with her, 0:07:19.965 --> 0:07:21.605 and she sat on the couch. And they was only 0:07:21.605 --> 0:07:23.845 here for about ten or fifteen minutes, and they all 0:07:23.885 --> 0:07:28.325 three left together. Nobody went outside, I mean other than them. 0:07:28.325 --> 0:07:30.085 They left together, all three of them. 0:07:30.965 --> 0:07:33.765 So that means that they would have been leaving shortly 0:07:33.805 --> 0:07:37.605 after ten pm. Patricia lives about seven miles from where 0:07:37.605 --> 0:07:40.245 Taylor's remains were found. That would have been about a 0:07:40.245 --> 0:07:41.245 fifteen minute drive. 0:07:41.885 --> 0:07:44.765 They were at my house at ten o'clock. I mean, 0:07:44.885 --> 0:07:47.405 I know it was because Taylor was saying something about 0:07:47.445 --> 0:07:50.285 they needed to go because they had to go in 0:07:50.485 --> 0:07:52.965 the morning. They were going to go and see her kids, 0:07:52.965 --> 0:07:54.325 and she was wanting to go when she was ready 0:07:54.325 --> 0:07:56.645 to go, so they wouldn't have been left. And that's 0:07:56.645 --> 0:07:58.525 the reason why I know it was around ten o'clock, 0:07:58.525 --> 0:08:01.805 because she specifically said something about being ten o'clock and 0:08:01.845 --> 0:08:02.845 they needed to get around. 0:08:03.925 --> 0:08:06.005 Taylor said that it was getting late and that they 0:08:06.045 --> 0:08:08.685 needed to leave. She mentioned that she was going to 0:08:08.685 --> 0:08:12.485 see her children the next day. From looking at court records, 0:08:12.525 --> 0:08:15.685 it seems like Taylor was in a pretty contentious relationship 0:08:15.725 --> 0:08:17.285 with the father of one of her children. 0:08:17.845 --> 0:08:18.925 We found one of. 0:08:18.805 --> 0:08:21.965 Taylor's Facebook pages, and in the months before her death, 0:08:22.285 --> 0:08:24.685 she was making posts that seemed to express the fact 0:08:24.725 --> 0:08:27.805 that she was missing her children. In March, she posted 0:08:27.885 --> 0:08:30.245 quote I withdraw from people. 0:08:30.005 --> 0:08:31.525 And places from time to time. 0:08:32.045 --> 0:08:34.485 I need space from a world that is filled with 0:08:34.565 --> 0:08:37.285 millions of mouse that talk too much but never have 0:08:37.405 --> 0:08:38.165 anything to say. 0:08:38.565 --> 0:08:39.845 End quote. 0:08:39.885 --> 0:08:43.325 Then on March fourth, she posted quote people have no 0:08:43.405 --> 0:08:44.925 idea of the family I've lost. 0:08:45.165 --> 0:08:47.605 The regret of my selfishness is unreal. 0:08:47.925 --> 0:08:49.485 End quote. 0:08:49.605 --> 0:08:53.445 On July sixteenth, she posted a couple memes, one red 0:08:53.525 --> 0:08:57.085 quote the next time I feel butterflies, I'm chugging down 0:08:57.125 --> 0:08:58.885 a bottle of tequila so they drown. 0:08:59.365 --> 0:09:00.805 End quote. 0:09:00.845 --> 0:09:04.685 The other red quote, realizing that I'm too nice for 0:09:04.725 --> 0:09:07.645 a toxic man, but too toxic for a nice man 0:09:08.045 --> 0:09:12.925 end quote. These memes are darkly humorous on a normal day, 0:09:13.045 --> 0:09:16.445 but knowing what happened to Taylor, in my opinion, they're 0:09:16.525 --> 0:09:20.365 just dark. On July seventeenth, her messages seemed to be 0:09:20.445 --> 0:09:24.085 getting more positive. She posted, I'm feeling like me again. 0:09:24.245 --> 0:09:28.645 God is amazing. Then comes July twentieth. Now, remember this 0:09:28.725 --> 0:09:32.045 is when she was first listed as officially missing. But 0:09:32.685 --> 0:09:35.285 we still don't quite understand the sequence of events there. 0:09:35.725 --> 0:09:38.765 We don't really know who reported her missing. There was 0:09:38.805 --> 0:09:41.245 apparently a nine to one one call that mentioned her 0:09:41.325 --> 0:09:44.565 name around this time, but honestly, I'm not sure if 0:09:44.605 --> 0:09:47.245 the conflict on July twentieth was with the father of 0:09:47.285 --> 0:09:51.285 her son, her ex boyfriend Kenny, or both. Either way, 0:09:51.445 --> 0:09:55.685 she posted eight times on July twentieth the same message. 0:09:55.725 --> 0:10:00.405 She posted quote last night and today he had been disappointing, sad, heartbreaking, 0:10:00.565 --> 0:10:02.805 and not unnecessary end quote. 0:10:03.285 --> 0:10:04.165 Then she said that. 0:10:04.165 --> 0:10:07.485 Her son needed his mud and that no one cared, 0:10:07.525 --> 0:10:10.485 no one would let them be together. She continued to 0:10:10.565 --> 0:10:14.525 post on social media for days after police initially said 0:10:14.525 --> 0:10:17.845 she was missing. Her last post was on July twenty ninth. 0:10:18.085 --> 0:10:20.325 There's a picture of Robert Downey Junior and the meme 0:10:20.965 --> 0:10:23.005 I have smiled at people who said the most terrible 0:10:23.005 --> 0:10:26.125 things about me and they think I don't know. After that, 0:10:26.325 --> 0:10:30.445 the social media post stopped. Then she was hanging out 0:10:30.445 --> 0:10:33.165 with these two guys B one and B two and 0:10:33.205 --> 0:10:36.125 some other friends, and at some point she ended up 0:10:36.165 --> 0:10:39.285 staying in Kingston, near the area where her remains were found. 0:10:40.005 --> 0:10:42.725 Patricia said that when Taylor showed up at her house, 0:10:42.725 --> 0:10:46.765 she was acting normally. She said Taylor did seem to 0:10:46.805 --> 0:10:49.125 be under the influence of something, but not in a 0:10:49.165 --> 0:10:52.045 way that was alarming. She said that Taylor and the 0:10:52.045 --> 0:10:55.245 two guys were not arguing, no one appeared to be upset. 0:10:55.925 --> 0:10:57.845 There was nothing to suggest that this was going to 0:10:57.845 --> 0:11:00.405 be anything out of the ordinary other than some friends 0:11:00.445 --> 0:11:04.085 hanging out. After they left, Patricia said she did not 0:11:04.205 --> 0:11:07.485 see Taylor again. Patricia and her friend spent the night 0:11:07.525 --> 0:11:10.765 there at her house. Patricia said that the next morning, 0:11:10.925 --> 0:11:14.045 after her girlfriend left, B two came back to her 0:11:14.045 --> 0:11:18.885 house and that he showed up alone. 0:11:17.605 --> 0:11:21.645 And then the next morning after left came back. He 0:11:21.725 --> 0:11:24.045 was the only one that came back, and that's pretty 0:11:24.085 --> 0:11:24.925 much all that happened. 0:11:26.045 --> 0:11:29.085 Patricia has known B one for about three years. She 0:11:29.245 --> 0:11:31.645 says that he has been dealing with a lot of 0:11:31.685 --> 0:11:35.525 personal issues, issues that she said caused him to appear 0:11:35.605 --> 0:11:39.605 more angry and withdrawn when she sees him. Patricia said, 0:11:39.645 --> 0:11:42.125 when B two came back to her place the next morning, 0:11:42.805 --> 0:11:47.925 he was acting completely normal. So what happened to Taylor? 0:11:48.405 --> 0:11:49.085 And when. 0:11:56.245 --> 0:11:58.685 What gets me is coming back the next morning as 0:11:58.725 --> 0:12:03.845 if nothing ever happened? Right, And he waited until left 0:12:03.845 --> 0:12:06.485 before he come back, and he came in the same 0:12:06.485 --> 0:12:08.645 way went out. Well. A couple of days later, I 0:12:08.685 --> 0:12:10.885 asked if she had seen him, and she told me 0:12:10.965 --> 0:12:13.965 she hadn't seen it. And so I think he was 0:12:14.365 --> 0:12:16.365 I have a there's a pole barn out here behind 0:12:16.365 --> 0:12:18.445 my house, and I think what he was doing is 0:12:18.445 --> 0:12:20.205 he's waited for her to leave and then came back. 0:12:20.565 --> 0:12:24.045 He wanted to use me for an alibi. Yeah, Well 0:12:24.045 --> 0:12:27.645 when he came back way, I mean, he didn't say anything. 0:12:27.845 --> 0:12:29.765 He just come back. First of all, he come back 0:12:30.085 --> 0:12:32.565 because he had said the night before all he said, 0:12:32.645 --> 0:12:34.605 uh that he would come back and he'd bring and 0:12:34.645 --> 0:12:37.725 bring some stuff back. And I was like, whatever you know, 0:12:38.605 --> 0:12:40.165 and then so he come back and he got to 0:12:40.205 --> 0:12:42.845 come back here he come in. I know known him 0:12:42.845 --> 0:12:46.205 for many years that he has been I do know. 0:12:46.525 --> 0:12:49.085 I know him, and I've never felt right about him. 0:12:49.605 --> 0:12:53.205 I've always had this leary feeling toward him. And and 0:12:53.325 --> 0:12:56.005 I have a good sixteenth like that five daughter, I 0:12:56.005 --> 0:13:00.365 wouldn't be alive today. But he's stacked like nothing had 0:13:00.405 --> 0:13:01.045 ever happened. 0:13:02.445 --> 0:13:05.245 There were two campers on the property, the one where 0:13:05.285 --> 0:13:08.205 be One lived and another one that was the residence 0:13:08.245 --> 0:13:11.045 of a guy whose first initial is Jay. They were 0:13:11.085 --> 0:13:14.285 near each other in what Patricia described as yelling distance. 0:13:14.725 --> 0:13:17.285 A few days later, Patricia said that Jay came by 0:13:17.325 --> 0:13:17.725 her house. 0:13:18.925 --> 0:13:21.605 The guy that owns the trailer house, the camp or trailer, 0:13:21.685 --> 0:13:25.085 the other camper trailer that was on his property, he 0:13:25.125 --> 0:13:27.005 came by. He came by my house and he said, 0:13:27.165 --> 0:13:30.765 he's like, where's Taylor? What's happened to Taylor? And I stuck, 0:13:30.805 --> 0:13:32.245 what do you mean? What's happened to Taylor? 0:13:33.245 --> 0:13:34.045 Patricia said. 0:13:34.165 --> 0:13:36.485 Jay told her he had gone out of town for 0:13:36.525 --> 0:13:40.165 the night and that when he got back he saw 0:13:40.205 --> 0:13:43.165 that b One had moved some of Taylor's stuff. 0:13:43.605 --> 0:13:46.405 And he told me then that well, when he come back, 0:13:46.765 --> 0:13:48.965 he had left out and he was gone all night 0:13:49.165 --> 0:13:51.645 Sunday night, and he come back Monday morning, and he 0:13:51.885 --> 0:13:54.525 owned it. He had moved all of Taylor's stuff over 0:13:54.565 --> 0:13:57.805 to his camper in front of his camper, and so 0:13:57.885 --> 0:14:00.285 then he come here asking me that, and I was like, 0:14:00.365 --> 0:14:01.685 I don't have any idea. 0:14:02.845 --> 0:14:05.925 As we said in the first episode, Taylor's and uncle 0:14:05.925 --> 0:14:07.925 told us that one of the campers, which we now 0:14:08.005 --> 0:14:11.405 know is Jays, was moved a few days after Taylor's 0:14:11.405 --> 0:14:14.165 screams were heard, and the deputy failed to respond. 0:14:14.845 --> 0:14:16.605 It was about a week or so before that he 0:14:16.645 --> 0:14:20.005 had come over wanting to know, hinting around, wanting to 0:14:20.005 --> 0:14:21.485 know if he could move this camper over here on 0:14:21.565 --> 0:14:25.165 my property. And then he came by two days after 0:14:26.085 --> 0:14:30.005 Taylor had been here and asking me about Taylor. But 0:14:30.085 --> 0:14:31.845 I never would let him bring his camper over here. 0:14:32.805 --> 0:14:35.365 But Taylor had been moving from place to place and 0:14:35.405 --> 0:14:38.445 staying with different people. And again, this was the first 0:14:38.485 --> 0:14:41.685 time that Patricia had seen Taylor in years, so she 0:14:41.765 --> 0:14:46.605 said she wasn't immediately alarmed, but then about a month later, Kenny, 0:14:46.645 --> 0:14:49.645 Taylor's ex boyfriend, showed up at her house. That's when 0:14:49.685 --> 0:14:51.885 she said she knew something was very wrong. 0:14:52.805 --> 0:14:57.405 And then on September the fourth or the fifth, Kenny, 0:14:57.405 --> 0:14:59.925 which is her ex boyfriend, he came to my house. 0:15:00.125 --> 0:15:02.805 He came to my house asking me what happened to Taylor. 0:15:03.525 --> 0:15:06.605 And that was a month later. And at that time, 0:15:06.645 --> 0:15:10.245 that's when I realized it's something. Something's wrong, something went on, 0:15:10.605 --> 0:15:14.165 uh something and uh And I got with I told you, 0:15:14.685 --> 0:15:16.925 something's not right. I said, they were at our house 0:15:16.965 --> 0:15:19.925 that night. Anyhow, I put two and two together. 0:15:20.325 --> 0:15:23.485 Patricia's nervous about meeting new people in general, and then 0:15:23.485 --> 0:15:26.325 she figured out people she considered friends who she had 0:15:26.405 --> 0:15:29.125 let into her home could have been some of the 0:15:29.205 --> 0:15:31.965 last people to see someone who was brutally murdered. 0:15:32.485 --> 0:15:37.365 It's scary, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's scary too, that 0:15:37.485 --> 0:15:38.925 the damn thing about it. 0:15:39.805 --> 0:15:42.805 Yeah, I mean, I know we've been fine. 0:15:42.845 --> 0:15:43.925 I mean, I mean, that's the thing. 0:15:44.405 --> 0:15:46.325 Well, let me ask you this, what made you think 0:15:46.405 --> 0:15:48.045 that he was going to use you as an alibi? 0:15:48.085 --> 0:15:50.045 Because he came by the next morning or. 0:15:50.445 --> 0:15:53.565 After, Kenny came over here and started asking questions and 0:15:53.605 --> 0:15:57.645 I went and went and talked to my my ex husband. 0:15:58.805 --> 0:16:01.845 They've been friends for years, and so I go and 0:16:01.885 --> 0:16:03.445 I'll talk to him and see what he has to 0:16:04.045 --> 0:16:05.605 And he come up to me, and first thing he 0:16:05.645 --> 0:16:08.405 asked me, he says, you've been getting any visits from 0:16:08.405 --> 0:16:11.565 the law lately. And I said, yes, I have, as 0:16:11.605 --> 0:16:13.165 a matter of fact. And he said, you can thank 0:16:13.365 --> 0:16:15.845 for that. And it's like, what are you talking about? 0:16:15.845 --> 0:16:17.805 And he told me, he said, well, that was using 0:16:17.805 --> 0:16:19.365 me for an alibi, saying that he was at my 0:16:19.445 --> 0:16:23.605 house all night. Right, I mean I didn't tell me that, No, 0:16:23.685 --> 0:16:27.125 I haven't. I haven't spoke to right, he told the 0:16:27.125 --> 0:16:29.245 cops that he was at my house. 0:16:29.645 --> 0:16:32.965 Now, we don't know if this is true, but if 0:16:33.045 --> 0:16:35.925 somehow the police got the idea that either of the 0:16:35.965 --> 0:16:39.165 men who were with Taylor stayed the night at Patricia's property, 0:16:39.565 --> 0:16:42.565 Patricia wants people to know that that's not what happened. 0:16:42.885 --> 0:16:45.285 I asked her if the police had ever interviewed her. 0:16:45.965 --> 0:16:48.965 Yes, the sheriff came out here. And this is something 0:16:48.965 --> 0:16:51.485 else that's been weighing on my mind. Why did he 0:16:51.525 --> 0:16:53.565 come out here to my house by himself when everybody 0:16:53.565 --> 0:16:56.885 else he talked to he had a backup, nobody else. 0:16:56.925 --> 0:16:59.725 It was just the sheriff, and he didn't record anything. 0:16:59.805 --> 0:17:02.805 He did write some stuff down, but he didn't record anything. 0:17:02.845 --> 0:17:05.005 And the main thing that he was focused on was 0:17:05.085 --> 0:17:07.445 whether I went outside with them while they were here 0:17:07.565 --> 0:17:09.885 or win anywhere with them when they come out here. 0:17:10.325 --> 0:17:12.565 That was that was what he was focused on, because 0:17:12.565 --> 0:17:14.085 he hit me. He can't asked me, I cure three 0:17:14.085 --> 0:17:16.085 different times if I had went anywhere with them. 0:17:16.325 --> 0:17:19.805 Patricia said the sheriff seemed to be very focused on 0:17:19.845 --> 0:17:22.885 whether she went anywhere with B one, B two and Taylor. 0:17:23.485 --> 0:17:25.925 But what my ex husband told me was that he 0:17:26.085 --> 0:17:29.605 told the law that he had went and dropped Taylor 0:17:29.925 --> 0:17:32.885 and off and came straight back here. 0:17:33.525 --> 0:17:36.525 She said something about claiming that he got some drugs 0:17:36.525 --> 0:17:37.485 at Patricia's that night. 0:17:38.085 --> 0:17:39.005 She says he didn't. 0:17:40.045 --> 0:17:44.285 But honestly, I told Patricia that whatever was going on 0:17:44.525 --> 0:17:46.405 or was not going on with drugs that night is 0:17:46.485 --> 0:17:50.045 completely irrelevant. I told her I did not care who 0:17:50.125 --> 0:17:52.845 was doing drugs. I'm just focused on what happened to 0:17:52.885 --> 0:17:54.325 Taylor and who killed her. 0:17:54.645 --> 0:17:59.125 Well, I'm I can't say for a fact because I 0:17:59.205 --> 0:18:03.245 wasn't there, But the dates and the times and everything 0:18:03.525 --> 0:18:07.765 they're just I can't help but feel in my heart 0:18:08.605 --> 0:18:10.965 and both had a hand in it. 0:18:11.485 --> 0:18:14.245 Now, I should say again, we don't know for sure 0:18:14.325 --> 0:18:17.685 that Taylor was at Patricia's house that night. If she was, 0:18:17.885 --> 0:18:20.445 we don't know what happened after B one, B two 0:18:20.445 --> 0:18:23.685 and Taylor left Patricia's house. They may have gone somewhere else. 0:18:24.045 --> 0:18:26.125 There may have been other people out near the camper. 0:18:26.205 --> 0:18:28.605 We know multiple people had been staying out there at 0:18:28.645 --> 0:18:31.485 different times. They could have picked someone else up on 0:18:31.485 --> 0:18:35.125 the way home. We just don't know. But what worries 0:18:35.165 --> 0:18:38.925 Patricia is that Taylor's killers are still out there. 0:18:39.485 --> 0:18:44.005 The screams and yells for help. I mean, why would 0:18:43.645 --> 0:18:46.245 why would they not go a nine to one call 0:18:46.325 --> 0:18:48.685 like that? I just don't know what. I don't know 0:18:48.725 --> 0:18:50.965 what to think about it, excepted I'm in fear for 0:18:51.085 --> 0:18:54.445 myself and because we're the little last ones that's seen 0:18:54.485 --> 0:18:57.085 her line where we can place, we can place and 0:18:57.565 --> 0:19:01.125 with her that night. Yeah, both did, both of us, can't. 0:19:01.885 --> 0:19:05.605 She also says she's worried about her safety and. 0:19:05.605 --> 0:19:07.605 Get through the woods like it ain't nothing in the dark. 0:19:07.685 --> 0:19:09.365 He doesn't have to have a flashlight or anything. That 0:19:09.445 --> 0:19:12.045 band can go through the woods. And I have woods 0:19:12.085 --> 0:19:15.045 around me I've got wooded area around me, and my 0:19:15.125 --> 0:19:19.485 dog's been't act it up. She'll just be barking a 0:19:19.925 --> 0:19:23.005 certain place down down the property line or in behind 0:19:23.005 --> 0:19:24.765 my house. There's a pole barm back there, and she'll 0:19:24.805 --> 0:19:29.125 bark back that direction, and and it just it just 0:19:29.125 --> 0:19:29.645 worries me. 0:19:30.405 --> 0:19:31.725 Oh no, I. 0:19:33.365 --> 0:19:36.605 Want justice for Taylor, and I want justice for all 0:19:36.605 --> 0:19:40.005 the other girls that suffered from me. Sorry solb in 0:19:40.085 --> 0:19:44.285 this town. Yeah, me too, me too. In the way 0:19:44.285 --> 0:19:49.405 that acted just so nonchalantly and it's like normal like 0:19:49.445 --> 0:19:53.405 he I've always known him to act. After something like that, 0:19:53.485 --> 0:19:56.805 it scares me to no end. I mean, how can 0:19:56.885 --> 0:19:59.445 somebody be so calm and cool about something like that. 0:20:00.245 --> 0:20:03.365 Patricia said she's on probation. She said she talked to 0:20:03.405 --> 0:20:07.165 her probation officer about her fears about her concerns that 0:20:07.205 --> 0:20:09.485 she had seen Taylor with two men and that shortly 0:20:09.525 --> 0:20:11.365 after that, Taylor was dead. 0:20:12.645 --> 0:20:16.205 I talked to her about it, and she made me 0:20:16.285 --> 0:20:18.925 go to the Sheriff's department, and the officers that I 0:20:18.965 --> 0:20:21.885 talked to, he just kind of downplayed me like I 0:20:21.925 --> 0:20:27.965 was paranoid or something, and that really irritated me. Yeah, 0:20:28.405 --> 0:20:32.885 I'm not just paranoid. I don't get paranoid. You also 0:20:32.965 --> 0:20:35.165 had a friend there who who's backs up your story, 0:20:35.365 --> 0:20:39.725 So yes, two people, It's not just one person exactly. 0:20:41.125 --> 0:20:44.045 It's important to say that while the two women's timelines 0:20:44.085 --> 0:20:47.365 and stories match, social media evidence does show that they 0:20:47.445 --> 0:20:50.205 were together on the night of August fifth, there's no 0:20:50.405 --> 0:20:53.205 proof that Taylor was there with them that night. And 0:20:53.245 --> 0:20:55.445 because so much time passed between the night of the 0:20:55.525 --> 0:20:57.765 nine one one call and the time when Taylor's body 0:20:57.845 --> 0:21:00.685 was found, it's possible, as it would be with anyone, 0:21:00.725 --> 0:21:04.165 that they're wrong about her being there that night. This 0:21:04.285 --> 0:21:06.085 is why it's up to the police to go and 0:21:06.085 --> 0:21:08.605 get the information from everyone, to sort through it and 0:21:08.645 --> 0:21:12.005 to build their own timeline to figure out which parts 0:21:12.045 --> 0:21:15.325 are rumor and what they can verify. We have two 0:21:15.365 --> 0:21:18.525 women who both believe they saw Taylor on August fifth 0:21:18.565 --> 0:21:19.205 with two men. 0:21:19.805 --> 0:21:20.645 Other people had. 0:21:20.525 --> 0:21:24.085 Seen her hanging around in previous weeks with one of 0:21:24.125 --> 0:21:26.845 these two men, the same one who lived near the 0:21:26.885 --> 0:21:30.005 area where her remains were found. This is a lead 0:21:30.525 --> 0:21:34.005 that it seems like police would want to follow. So 0:21:34.365 --> 0:21:42.205