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Speaker 1: School of Humans.

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Speaker 2: We've been trying to figure out what happened to Taylor

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Speaker 2: Barksdale in the last few weeks of her life that

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Speaker 2: led her to Kingston, Arkansas at twelve thirty four.

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Speaker 3: On August fifth, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Four, a nine to one to one caller reported that

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Speaker 2: she could hear a woman screaming on a rural property

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Speaker 2: in Kingston. The nine to one one caller said the

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Speaker 2: woman sounded like she was being raped or tortured. Just

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Speaker 2: over a month later, on September ninth, Taylor's remains were

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Speaker 2: found in a field near where the nine to one

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Speaker 2: one call was made. We have made some headway in

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Speaker 2: finding out what was going on in Taylor Barksdale's life

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Speaker 2: during the last few weeks. We know that she had

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Speaker 2: been staying on and off with her ex boyfriend Kenny,

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Speaker 2: but something happened in Taylor's life on or around July twentieth. Apparently,

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Speaker 2: Taylor and Kenny got into an argument. After that, Kenny's

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Speaker 2: neighbors say that they didn't see her come back to

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Speaker 2: Kenny's residence after July twentieth. Taylor was staying on and

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Speaker 2: off with different friends, and two of those friends who

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Speaker 2: she was hanging out with were men mutual friends of

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Speaker 2: hers and Kenney's. One of the men lived in a

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Speaker 2: camper on a piece of land near where the nine

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Speaker 2: to one one call originated from. So who are these

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Speaker 2: two men, how do they know Taylor? And what happened

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Speaker 2: to Taylor that led to her death and her remains

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Speaker 2: being found in a field. I'm Catherine Townsend. Over the

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Speaker 2: past five years of making my true crime podcast, Helen Gone,

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Speaker 2: I've learned that there is no such thing as a

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Speaker 2: small town where murder never happens. I have received hundreds

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Speaker 2: of messages from people all around the country asking for

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Speaker 2: help with an unsolved murder that's affected them, their families,

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Speaker 2: and their communities.

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Speaker 3: If you have a.

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Speaker 2: Case you'd like me and my team to look into,

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Speaker 2: you can reach out to us at our Helen Gone

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Speaker 2: Murder Line at six seven eight seven four four six

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Speaker 2: one four five that's six seven eight seven four four,

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Speaker 2: a message on Instagram at Helen Gonpod. This is Helen

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Speaker 2: Gone Murder Line. Before we talk about Taylor, I want

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Speaker 2: to say a word about closure, because I've been getting

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Speaker 2: some texts and messages from people asking me if these

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Speaker 2: stories are over after three or four episodes, they're asking

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Speaker 2: for how things end, and I get it. Unsolved cases,

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Speaker 2: by their nature don't have closure yet. I would just

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Speaker 2: ask everyone out there please to have patience, because if

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Speaker 2: it's frustrating to listeners, imagine what it must be like

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Speaker 2: for families to not have these answers. I wish that

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Speaker 2: I could bring every four episode arc to a conclusion

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Speaker 2: where the right person was prosecuted. I wish that real

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Speaker 2: life worked like an episode of Law and Order. Unfortunately

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Speaker 2: it doesn't. With these ongoing investigations, we're on the ground

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Speaker 2: trying to help families and the community find answers. As

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Speaker 2: of now, there is no satisfying ending, but we are

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Speaker 2: trying to get there, and for that we need your help.

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna say something again that I find myself

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Speaker 2: saying a lot.

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Speaker 3: In this podcast.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the timeline, because this week we

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Speaker 2: found some inconsistencies. One of the most frustrating things about

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Speaker 2: Taylor's case is that it seems like we can't even

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Speaker 2: get the most basic facts confirmed by police. For example,

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Speaker 2: when was the nine to one one call made? Were

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Speaker 2: there other nine to one one calls that night, or

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Speaker 2: a second call to a non emergency number made after

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Speaker 2: the deputy failed to respond. The Madison County Sheriff's office

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Speaker 3: We do know the original nine to one one call.

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Speaker 2: August fifth, twenty twenty four. We also talked to two witnesses,

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Speaker 2: shortly before she was killed. One of the witness's names

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Speaker 2: throughout this episode. At first, Patricia believed that Taylor and

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Speaker 2: Later, after checking with her friend and confirming the text

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Speaker 2: For now, we're going to refer to these guys by

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Speaker 2: As we said before, they also knew her ex boyfriend Kenny.

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Speaker 2: As we said last week, Taylor had been hanging out

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Speaker 2: Patricia knew Taylor, but Patricia said that prior to Taylor

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Speaker 2: hadn't seen Taylor in around three years. That night, at

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Speaker 2: up together. Patricia said they were looking to buy drugs.

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Speaker 4: Well, me and you've been speaking with also, Well, she

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Speaker 4: and I were sitting here at my house and it

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Speaker 4: was about ten o'clock or so at night, and they

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Speaker 4: And they came in and they were looking They were

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Speaker 2: So that means that they would have been leaving shortly

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Speaker 4: They were at my house at ten o'clock. I mean,

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Speaker 2: see her children the next day. From looking at court records,

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Speaker 2: it seems like Taylor was in a pretty contentious relationship

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Speaker 3: We found one of.

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Speaker 2: Taylor's Facebook pages, and in the months before her death,

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Speaker 2: she was making posts that seemed to express the fact

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Speaker 2: I need space from a world that is filled with

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Speaker 2: Then on March fourth, she posted quote people have no

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Speaker 3: The regret of my selfishness is unreal.

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Speaker 2: On July sixteenth, she posted a couple memes, one red

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Speaker 2: quote the next time I feel butterflies, I'm chugging down

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Speaker 2: The other red quote, realizing that I'm too nice for

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Speaker 2: just dark. On July seventeenth, her messages seemed to be

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Speaker 2: God is amazing. Then comes July twentieth. Now, remember this

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Speaker 2: We don't really know who reported her missing. There was

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Speaker 2: her son, her ex boyfriend Kenny, or both. Either way,

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Speaker 2: she posted eight times on July twentieth the same message.

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Speaker 2: She posted quote last night and today he had been disappointing, sad, heartbreaking,

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Speaker 3: Then she said that.

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Speaker 2: There's a picture of Robert Downey Junior and the meme

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Speaker 2: I have smiled at people who said the most terrible

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Speaker 2: things about me and they think I don't know. After that,

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Speaker 2: Patricia said that when Taylor showed up at her house,

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Speaker 4: And then the next morning after left came back. He

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Speaker 4: much all that happened.

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Speaker 2: Patricia has known B one for about three years. She

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Speaker 2: more angry and withdrawn when she sees him. Patricia said,

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Speaker 2: when B two came back to her place the next morning,

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Speaker 2: he was acting completely normal. So what happened to Taylor?

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Speaker 3: And when.

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Speaker 4: What gets me is coming back the next morning as

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Speaker 4: if nothing ever happened? Right, And he waited until left

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Speaker 4: way went out. Well. A couple of days later, I

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Speaker 4: asked if she had seen him, and she told me

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Speaker 4: she hadn't seen it. And so I think he was

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Speaker 4: I have a there's a pole barn out here behind

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Speaker 4: He wanted to use me for an alibi. Yeah, Well

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Speaker 4: when he came back way, I mean, he didn't say anything.

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Speaker 4: And he told me then that well, when he come back,

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Speaker 4: And then on September the fourth or the fifth, Kenny,

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Speaker 4: It's scary, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's scary too, that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I know we've been fine.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me ask you this, what made you think

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Speaker 5: Because he came by the next morning or.

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Speaker 4: After, Kenny came over here and started asking questions and

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Speaker 4: And he come up to me, and first thing he

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Speaker 4: asked me, he says, you've been getting any visits from

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Speaker 4: the law lately. And I said, yes, I have, as

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Speaker 4: a matter of fact. And he said, you can thank

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Speaker 4: And he told me, he said, well, that was using

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Speaker 4: me for an alibi, saying that he was at my

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Speaker 2: Now, we don't know if this is true, but if

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Speaker 2: Patricia wants people to know that that's not what happened.

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Speaker 2: I asked her if the police had ever interviewed her.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the sheriff came out here. And this is something

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Speaker 4: It was just the sheriff, and he didn't record anything.

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Speaker 4: He did write some stuff down, but he didn't record anything.

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Speaker 4: And the main thing that he was focused on was

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Speaker 4: That was that was what he was focused on, because

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Speaker 2: Patricia said the sheriff seemed to be very focused on

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Speaker 4: But what my ex husband told me was that he

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Speaker 4: told the law that he had went and dropped Taylor

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Speaker 2: She said something about claiming that he got some drugs

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Speaker 3: She says he didn't.

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Speaker 2: But honestly, I told Patricia that whatever was going on

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm I can't say for a fact because I

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Speaker 2: Now, I should say again, we don't know for sure

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Speaker 2: we don't know what happened after B one, B two

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Speaker 2: There may have been other people out near the camper.

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Speaker 2: We know multiple people had been staying out there at

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Speaker 4: The screams and yells for help. I mean, why would

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Speaker 4: like that? I just don't know what. I don't know

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Speaker 2: She also says she's worried about her safety and.

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Speaker 4: Get through the woods like it ain't nothing in the dark.

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Speaker 4: He doesn't have to have a flashlight or anything. That

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I.

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Speaker 4: Want justice for Taylor, and I want justice for all

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Speaker 4: the other girls that suffered from me. Sorry solb in

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Speaker 2: Patricia said she's on probation. She said she talked to

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Speaker 4: I talked to her about it, and she made me

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Speaker 2: It's important to say that while the two women's timelines

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Speaker 3: Other people had.

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Speaker 2: Seen her hanging around in previous weeks with one of

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Speaker 2: It's hard to understand in some parts because the day

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Speaker 3: She said that she was supposed.

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Speaker 2: To go to Patricia's house on August fourth, but was

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Speaker 2: All this time, she was exchanging messages with Patricia talking

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Speaker 5: And everybody some time. They were on their usual crazy films.

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Speaker 2: There are a few minor variations here, but it's pretty

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Speaker 2: one call was made on twelve thirty four on August fifth,

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Speaker 2: So it is possible that these two women had their

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Speaker 2: dates wrong. But if the police timeline is right, is

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Speaker 2: it possible that these two women are right that Taylor

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Speaker 2: was alive the next day, hours after the nine to

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Speaker 2: one one call was placed, or could that nine to

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Speaker 2: one one call have been something else? Could Taylor have

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Speaker 2: witnessed something else out there? Both Patricia and her friends said,

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Speaker 2: Taylor appeared to be behaving normally. She wasn't beaten up

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Speaker 2: at last, least not visibly, and didn't appear to.

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Speaker 3: Be in distress.

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Speaker 2: But we all know that when it comes to abuse,

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Speaker 2: not all bruises are visible.

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Speaker 3: There's something else.

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Speaker 2: When Jay came over to Patricia's house, she said that

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Speaker 2: he mentioned Taylor's stuff, stuff that b One had allegedly moved.

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Speaker 2: Patricia's friend said the same thing that Jay had told her,

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Speaker 2: that he came home and found that b One had

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Speaker 2: some of Taylor's stuff in his trailer, but that Taylor

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Speaker 2: was gone.

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Speaker 5: And he told me that he had been there harms.

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Speaker 2: Fifth.

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Speaker 5: He told me the last time he saw she was

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Speaker 5: an Emperor Act three as usually as he was fixing

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Speaker 5: when he had loaded up last some stuff, he was

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Speaker 5: taking his arms and he said at last he heard

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Speaker 5: was then arguing about and that he had showed un

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Speaker 5: believe and it was known at that point that he

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Speaker 5: had to hat but and he said that when he

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Speaker 5: last it came back. I think it was a day

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Speaker 5: later her.

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Speaker 2: Stuff was in.

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Speaker 5: The stuff was at One's house.

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Speaker 2: Patricia mentioned something else about her conversation with Kenny, Taylor's

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Speaker 2: ex boyfriend, she said he told her that a woman

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Speaker 2: in a white car had stopped by his mother's house

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Speaker 2: to drop off some of Taylor's stuff. This could be

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Speaker 2: totally unconnected with anything, but we're trying to find out

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Speaker 2: if that's true. If a woman in a white car

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Speaker 2: had Taylor's property at some point, and if she did,

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Speaker 2: where that stuff came from. Could that stuff have been

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Speaker 2: in the camper where Taylor was hanging out near the

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Speaker 2: area where her remains were found, Because if that's true,

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Speaker 2: someone out there could have Taylor's stuff that could potentially

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Speaker 2: contain evidence, evidence that maybe they're not even aware of.

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Speaker 2: We're still trying to figure out exactly where everyone was

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Speaker 2: on August fourth and August fifth, twenty twenty four. No

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Speaker 2: one has been arrested or charged or even been named

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Speaker 2: a person of interest in this case, but we are

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Speaker 2: getting much closer to figuring out Taylor Barksdale's last movements.

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Speaker 2: Someone out there knows something, maybe more than one person.

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Speaker 2: And finally, could there have been a police officer in

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Speaker 2: the area. Remember when we did our freedom of information

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Speaker 2: request and got information back from the Madison County Sheriff's office,

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Speaker 2: we found out the deputy Blake Castle lied about responding

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Speaker 2: to the nine to one one call. In the statement

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Speaker 2: we got from police, they mentioned that they checked Deputy

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Speaker 2: Housel's AVN data that's the GPS data from his squad car,

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Speaker 2: and saw that he had been in town when he

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Speaker 2: was supposed to have been out answering the call. But

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Speaker 2: there was something else that was very interesting in that statement,

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Speaker 2: because apparently Deputy Housel said the reason he didn't go

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Speaker 2: out there to answer the call was because he had

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Speaker 2: already been out there in the area where Taylor's remains

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Speaker 2: were found thirty minutes to an hour before and didn't

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Speaker 2: hear anything. So what I'm wondering is did anyone check

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Speaker 2: that GPS data to see if that's true. We filed

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Speaker 2: a Foyer request for this data and we got back

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Speaker 2: some of it, but it only shows a brief window

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Speaker 2: of time after twelve am on August fifth. There's nothing

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Speaker 2: about where the vehicle was earlier in the evening. We're

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Speaker 2: still trying to get more information, including dispatch reports. We're

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out where Deputy Housel was the night

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Speaker 2: of August fourth and the night of August fifth, because

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Speaker 2: if the nine to one one call happened at twelve

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Speaker 2: thirty four am. And if the deputy claimed he was

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Speaker 2: out there thirty minutes or an hour earlier than that,

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Speaker 2: If that's true, did the deputy hear anything? And what

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Speaker 2: really happened out there in the dark. I'm Catherine Townsend.

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Speaker 2: This is Helen Gone Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line

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Speaker 2: It's written and narrated by me Catherine Townsend and produced

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