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Speaker 2: U p M. C Rudy Sports Complex, a special edition

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Speaker 2: of The Drive. Matt Williamson is the regular. You've got

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Speaker 2: West Schuler and Rob King. Uh heregulars, Yeah, irregulars.

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Speaker 3: We're part of the extended family, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: But uh but yeah, usually sitting at the card table

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Speaker 4: in the next room, in the living room.

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Speaker 5: That's exactly right, tables large.

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Speaker 2: Rob King kind enough to join us, continue to join

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Speaker 2: us here recovering from his Paul skins hangover nicely, so good,

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Speaker 2: anybody eight innings, pitch three hits one.

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Speaker 5: Walking, eight ks, well.

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Speaker 3: Prett day, pretty day.

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Speaker 4: And then you know, and and by the way, those

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Speaker 5: Really oh yeah, and just in total control.

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Speaker 4: Let's get let's get some easy out here to get

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Speaker 4: some ground or oh yeah, now I need to dominate you, Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'll just dominate it.

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Speaker 2: Some guys just make it look so easy, much like

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Speaker 2: Rob King does anytime he hops on the horn here

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Speaker 2: with us. All right, Matt, you kind of tease it

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Speaker 2: there at the end of the first hour. Let's talk

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Speaker 2: a little late round draft pick strategy.

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Speaker 5: I think the league is gently drifting away or looking

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Speaker 5: at different ways to use your particularly six and seventh

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Speaker 5: round picks. And there was a stretch there and Omar

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Speaker 5: was really if you notice, Omar does this a lot,

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Speaker 5: but it's also become really common in the league. Let's

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Speaker 5: make a trade for DK Metcalf or Pickens or whatever,

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Speaker 5: and I'll give you my seventh, you give us our six,

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Speaker 5: you know, like he always makes that little swop. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and who's gonna say no to that if you basically

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Speaker 5: have a deal in place for Pickens. But a year

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Speaker 5: from now, I'm gonna move up one round and at

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Speaker 5: the ball in the draft. Okay, we still got a

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Speaker 5: deal and sign me up, you know whatever. But I

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Speaker 5: think there's different philosophies of how to use those picks now,

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Speaker 5: Like no one looks at him like I'm gonna get

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Speaker 5: my starting left tackle there. I mean, of course there's

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Speaker 5: some positions you're not going to get there. But I

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Speaker 5: find it really interesting what the Eagles do, and they've

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Speaker 5: basically they don't even hide it anymore. Is they look

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Speaker 5: for outliers at the end of the draft. They look

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Speaker 5: at guys like Jordan Mulatta who didn't play football, or

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Speaker 5: they drafted a really small weapon, you know that runs

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Speaker 5: like a four to two last year, that we maybe

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Speaker 5: we'll see him down the road, and basically saying we

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Speaker 5: only need to hit on one out of ten. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if I hit on one air and I would love

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Speaker 5: to talk to like Andy White or someone's been that organization.

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Speaker 5: And from what I've been told, they look for guys

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Speaker 5: in those two rounds that have starter traits where I

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Speaker 5: And if you get a starter one out of five

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Speaker 5: years in the sex or seventh round, pretty good. It's huge,

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Speaker 5: I mean, and their O line coach has something to

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Speaker 5: draft this year, they took two or three high upside

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Speaker 5: not very good football players that are O lineman. If

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Speaker 5: three years, that's a phenomenal pick. You know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: O Linman are going way higher than they should, you

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Speaker 2: I you know, I love it, Kinger when Williamson lays

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Speaker 2: down an example and you look and it's just pure gold.

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Speaker 2: Some of these names that the Eagles are drafted in

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Speaker 2: the sixth and seventh round in the last decade are.

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Speaker 6: Nuts, It's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Jordan Poyer, Bo Allen, Jalen Mills, Jordan Mylatta.

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Speaker 5: A lotta might be the best left tackle in elite.

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Speaker 2: All those guys were those All those guys were seventh

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Speaker 5: I Mean you look at most team seventh round picks

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Speaker 5: and you'd be like, I've never heard of any of

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Speaker 3: Never heard of any of those guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, bo Allen was a big part of that

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Speaker 2: When you lay it down there, the way that they've

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Speaker 5: You know, like lasted in the league.

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Speaker 2: Interesting and again, like you said two especially, it becomes

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Speaker 5: It helps, for sure, you could look at least you have.

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Speaker 5: When I have most of my starters pretty well set,

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Speaker 5: The developing guys is a lot harder now that used

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Speaker 5: to be. I mean, Steelers were the poster boys of it,

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Speaker 5: I mean all those dudes, like you have a Kevin

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Speaker 5: Like it was always boy, this is a really good prospect,

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Speaker 5: but the guys ahead of me, especially on defense, are

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Speaker 5: I see both sides, and I this year the Steelers

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Speaker 5: A lot of safeties, a lot of linebackers, a lot

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Speaker 3: You know, Tyler Metakevich was one of those guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Like I was a fan, and I

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Speaker 5: think that a lot of people, and I think analytics

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Speaker 5: the last couple of years, what do we do with

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Speaker 5: those late, late picks, because very few of them have

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Speaker 2: But that's why we highlight the Antonio Browns and the

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Speaker 5: Pick phenomenal pick.

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Speaker 4: Right, And then I guess the question would be, you know, Matt,

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think I think every GM would be

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Speaker 5: You know, maybe your quarterback away or whatever, but you're

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Speaker 5: gonna have a core roster. That's cause you're gonna pick

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Speaker 5: up another in free agency. Every year. You're gonna lose

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Speaker 5: gonna last ten years. Two or three doesn't seem like much.

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Speaker 5: But even when you look through the Steeler drafts, like

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Speaker 5: So many of the picks really aren't that profitable. I

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Speaker 4: It would be interesting to talk to Kevin Colbert about

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Speaker 4: his drafty back in the early you know you're talking

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Speaker 4: and it seemed like every single year, Yeah, are there

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Speaker 4: going to be some team some guys that don't make it? Yes,

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Speaker 4: but would you trade those for Aaron Smith, Clark Haagan's

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Speaker 4: like a Chucky Yakobe, you know what, had a good career.

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Speaker 4: You know, you mentioned obviously Antonio Browns as a sixth

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Speaker 6: You would take that.

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Speaker 4: If you're gonna roll the dice a few times and

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Speaker 4: winds up being Aaron Smith, it's worth it, right, that

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Speaker 4: gives you a fourth starter in that in that uh,

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Speaker 4: know the name in this Deelers Hall of Fame. Yeah, right, So, uh,

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Speaker 4: it is an interesting I think it's a fascinating way

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Speaker 4: his fourth round and later, You're right, I would have

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Speaker 4: been very interested. You know, we stood out in these

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Speaker 5: Good, size, speed, jakes, you know, good tester, big program.

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Speaker 5: I thought he might be a starter one day, or

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Speaker 5: you know, really go from special team er to dime

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Speaker 6: Back to your.

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Speaker 5: Original question about rounds, I think that's very position specific.

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Speaker 5: Like if I take a third or fourth round safety

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Speaker 5: mean positions that are plentiful. If mid round picks are

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Speaker 5: But you're not gonna let get it left tackle in

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Speaker 5: they have two red flags, right, you know. And quarterbacks.

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Speaker 5: What's crazy about quarterbacks? Now, this is a whole different conversation.

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Speaker 5: Is here's here's a crazy staff for you. Mike Sando

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Speaker 5: put this out. Of all the quarterbacks in the first

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Speaker 5: round that were drafted twenty or later spots where playoff

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Speaker 5: The first rounders picked twenty or later have a massive frustrate, massive.

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Speaker 5: I mean even though that they're you know, their teams

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Speaker 5: Right, there were fifteen quarterbacks taken after pick nineteen, which

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Speaker 6: Right, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, we have to go back,

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Speaker 4: Up right, you can't win without without an above average

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Speaker 2: There's actually a short there's something that I want to

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Speaker 2: Rolling along here practice number five of this OTA period

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Speaker 2: for your Pittsburgh Steelers. They will have number six tomorrow

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Speaker 2: used to see more and more second, third, even early

436
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Speaker 2: fourth rounders than we are now.

437
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Speaker 3: Why do you think that's the case.

438
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Speaker 5: Because I think people are swinging big because if you

439
00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 5: have rare traits, you're going early, and you're going earlier

440
00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 5: than ever. And last year's draft was a great example.

441
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Speaker 5: Like I did not see Pennix or Nicks going in

442
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Speaker 5: the first half of round one. I thought maybe they

443
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 5: would sneak in at the end of a bad team

444
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 5: that traded back in or something like that. They go

445
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Speaker 5: in the top sixteen or whatever, you know. I mean,

446
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 5: six quarterbacks go early. I think the league's smarter than

447
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 5: ever with that stuff that we don't want. We can

448
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,919
Speaker 5: find the Rudolph's and Howard, yeah, you know what I mean,

449
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,280
Speaker 5: but we can't find them a homes. So we're gonna

450
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Speaker 5: take cracks at anyone that could possibly be in that stratosphere.

451
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Speaker 3: But you're ease off anybody else.

452
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Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent right. The day two quarterbacks are

453
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Speaker 5: barely a thing anymore. I mean we've seen some, but

454
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Speaker 5: there it's been a while, like Kaepernick, car Garoppolo, Dalton,

455
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 5: but that's like ten to fifteen years ago. I mean

456
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Speaker 5: there's not I mean, Hurts is one of the only

457
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 5: round two starters in the league. There's just not many cars.

458
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Speaker 3: Gone as right, right, I think he was the only

459
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Speaker 3: career and all that.

460
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Speaker 5: Right, but I mean day two quarterbacks, if you're good

461
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Speaker 5: enough to be a starter, when.

462
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Speaker 3: You go super well this rule maybe right, right, he

463
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Speaker 3: goes early on day two.

464
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Speaker 5: They trade up for him. They wanted to move up

465
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Speaker 5: to the quarter pick. Okay, you know there's a couple

466
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Speaker 5: of those, and not many of them hit either, I mean,

467
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Speaker 5: and it's not much different than really twenty to thirty

468
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Speaker 5: two twenty to thirty you could take can really extend

469
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Speaker 5: it to twenty to like order.

470
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Speaker 2: You know, if you think there's a shot there, you'd

471
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Speaker 2: rather trade up early on day two than trade into

472
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Speaker 2: the back end of the first round.

473
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Speaker 3: That makes more sense.

474
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Speaker 5: But guess but the reality is the starter's probably already

475
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Speaker 5: gone by then. You know, you're probably not gonna find

476
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Speaker 5: one at that point. There's too much of a need

477
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 5: to someone else traded up because there is that that

478
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 5: thought that we're a bad team. We're in the first round.

479
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Speaker 5: We're gonna take our tackle now, and then we'll take

480
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Speaker 5: the quarterback. You know, the Levis pick the early second

481
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Speaker 5: It almost never works out that the quarterback ends up hitting. Yeah,

482
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Speaker 5: it doesn't.

483
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Speaker 3: And that's also, you know, part of the reason why we.

484
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Speaker 5: They may stick in the league for a while and

485
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 5: be okay and a lot of cracks.

486
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Speaker 2: But that's I think that's also to why when it's

487
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,360
Speaker 2: for the same reason do we highlight the extreme examples

488
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Speaker 2: of the Abs and the tom Brady's of the world.

489
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Speaker 2: It's the same reason why we do it with Russell

490
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: Wilson and Jalen Hurts and guys like that too, because

491
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Speaker 2: it is just it's such an exception.

492
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Speaker 5: To the rule. Sure, and Wilson was what twelve years ago, you.

493
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 3: Know, Carr was was a decade and eleven.

494
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Speaker 5: Twelve years ago, right, I mean there's there's a lot

495
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,080
Speaker 5: of Levice's and drew Locks and those type of dudes

496
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 5: that they got some traits maybe they'll hit. And you

497
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 5: can tell yourself that story that I'll take this guy

498
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 5: with a thirty eighth pick and I'm a bad team

499
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 5: because I need a quarterback and he's got a big

500
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: arm but probably doesn't have enough, you know. I mean,

501
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 5: people aren't using those picks on quarterbacks because otherwise that

502
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 5: they're they're more willing to use even an earlier one,

503
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Speaker 5: you know.

504
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Speaker 3: Hmm, Okay, one more, one more for you.

505
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Speaker 2: In this kind of round of conversation and draft strategy

506
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 2: and all these things that we've been talking about here,

507
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: we know quarterback is obviously the number one position that

508
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 2: you're willing to take a risk to, I don't know,

509
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: to reach, right if you want to use a lack

510
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 2: of a better term, to go after one.

511
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Speaker 3: Of those guys that you think might be a unicorn. Yeah,

512
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,879
Speaker 3: what's the second off exactly? Okay, I thought that that

513
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: would be the answer.

514
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 5: But I mean D lineman two. But there's more of them,

515
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 5: more edge rushers, there's more edge in d tackle and

516
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 5: the yeah, they're true. There's just horrible material on the planet.

517
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 5: It's definitely left tackle. And this is going to sound

518
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 5: negative in some ways it is, but good for him.

519
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 5: If Dan Moore, who everyone listening knows what exactly Dan

520
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 5: Moore is. If Dan Moore is worth twenty million a

521
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 5: year and yields you a third round compic, he's the great.

522
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Speaker 5: That just shows about how how valuable.

523
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: Absolutely as a fourth, third or fourth round pick. I

524
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 2: believe correct who was a who was a solid NFL

525
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 2: starter for for four years.

526
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Speaker 5: If the fact that he's making twenty, if he's making

527
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 5: a really good receiver.

528
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Speaker 3: We can ascertain money the XEL defensive Player of the

529
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 3: Year exactly.

530
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Speaker 5: That's a great, great way of putting it. I mean,

531
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Speaker 5: if if he's as valuable as one of the better

532
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 5: defensive players in the league, or a top linebacker, or

533
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 5: more valuable than any running back or any tight end

534
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 5: or you know, a high end receiver not Jamar Chase,

535
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 5: sure you have to take them high. I mean, the

536
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 5: economics of it all.

537
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: Are really really important and would he gives me a

538
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: lot of year option as well too.

539
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, which gives me a lot of hope for the

540
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 5: Steelers big picture. I mean, Omar will be the first

541
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 5: to tell you he doesn't have a heavy scouting background,

542
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 5: but he is a heavy financial background. And and today

543
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 5: and it's on. Actually he took a tackle with his

544
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 5: first two picks because those guys don't there, they don't exist.

545
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 5: You know, you's another.

546
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 2: You're not gonna go get those guys on the free

547
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: agent market, right and if you are, you're gonna absolutely

548
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 2: break your bank to do so.

549
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 5: We could rewind to the last trade deadline, the trade

550
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 5: deadline before that, the next trade deadline. There might be

551
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 5: a mediocre or slash bad starting tackle that maybe you

552
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 5: could get at the trade deadline. Maybe. And it's one.

553
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: But like a Trent Williams almost never moved teams. That's

554
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: such a rare exception. Joe Thomas, who was great, played

555
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: on a terrible team. Never any thoughts or conversations about.

556
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 5: Him moving nowhere else. I'm not going He's not going anywhere,

557
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 5: right right right, I'm not I'm locking him up forever.

558
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 5: But at my point, the trade deadline. You can always

559
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 5: get receivers.

560
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,399
Speaker 3: I mean a Marii Cooper Adams.

561
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 5: Every year there's gonna be four or five name receivers

562
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 5: that are in your fantasy league that get that are available.

563
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 5: There'll be a couple running backs, There'll be most positions.

564
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 5: There probably won't be a tackle. If you're short at

565
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 5: the trade dead I always seen a tackle. To make

566
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 5: a run, you get them. You have to draft them

567
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 5: in the second round, even though you go to a

568
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 5: fourth round grade.

569
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Speaker 2: On even a team who's struggling and like in theory,

570
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: might be willing to part ways with a guy like that.

571
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: They're gonna say, yeah, but if we do that, we're

572
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: gonna get our quarterback killed for the rest of the season.

573
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 3: And we're not trying to get our quarterback killed for

574
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: the rest of the season.

575
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 5: Contracts up after the year, I'll let them walk like

576
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:15,959
Speaker 5: Dan Moore didn't get a third round pick for him,

577
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 5: you know, I mean, it's they don't exist. And again

578
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 5: they're getting drafted very high too, as they should. Yeah,

579
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 5: it's a very scarce position. O line in general is

580
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 5: becoming more and more scarce, and.

581
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: That's one of the things you and I now I mean,

582
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: I'm going into my eighth year of doing Steelers Nation Radio,

583
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network stuff, and that's one of the things

584
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: that I've picked up on you from over the years

585
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 2: and the time that we spend in these having these

586
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: larger picture conversations, not just the weekend week out reacting

587
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: to the games and previewing the games. I think like

588
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 2: right there with quarterbacks as well too. Offensive linemen, particularly tackles,

589
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: It's like the demand is much greater than the supply.

590
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 5: Then by a thousand, there's not enough of them.

591
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: Would you say that that's probably every position on the

592
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 3: offensive line or just.

593
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 5: Getting more and more so, I mean, o linemen in

594
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 5: general are very scarce. And this is a really long conversation,

595
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 5: but I've been on this soapbox for ten years that

596
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 5: I think one of the problems the league has, or

597
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 5: a huge theme, is the defensive linemen are just way

598
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 5: better and way more talented than the offensive lineman and.

599
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 3: The freak like athletes are playing on that side of

600
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: the floor.

601
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,879
Speaker 5: Oh man, I mean, every team has a few. The

602
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 5: Steelers have a great group of them. But I mean

603
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 5: I've been using this example like, oh, you see that

604
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 5: edge rusher over there. That's a make o shark. The

605
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: other one is a tiger. That three technique is a

606
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 5: grizzly bear. Yes, that nose tackle is a rhinoceros. And

607
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 5: you have to block all of those and you just

608
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 5: stole their babies, and they hate you and they want

609
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 5: to destroy your life. That's what being an offensive lineman

610
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 5: is in today's NFL. I mean, just watch a combine.

611
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 5: All the edge gushers are now running four or fives

612
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 5: the less you know it used to be. Boy he

613
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 5: broke five. That's pretty good. You know, he has forty

614
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 5: inch vertical And then all the D linemen are crazy long.

615
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 5: I mean, look at Harmon. I mean, like, these guys

616
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 5: are way different than the old linemen. Aren't big fat

617
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 5: guys anymore, but they're not half the athletes that the

618
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 5: Velociraptors are on the D.

619
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Speaker 3: Line, the TJ. Watts and the Miles Garretts and the

620
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: Max Crosby.

621
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Speaker 5: It's a problem the league has deep down. But what

622
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 5: are they gonna do about it? I mean they're so

623
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: holding becomes a little more legal, you know, things like that,

624
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 5: it'll make it a little fairer. But I really think

625
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 5: that discrepancy is the biggest discrepancy in the whole league

626
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: is what position is better than the ones they go

627
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 5: up against? Is D line's way better than O line?

628
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 6: And it's a fascinating.

629
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 4: Another fascinating discussion for me because, like you know, when

630
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: you go we talked about this from a schematic standpoint, right,

631
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 4: So you want to have if you're the Steers, you

632
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 4: better be able to go against the Ravens and you

633
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: better be able to go against the Bengals. You better

634
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 4: have personnel that can do both. Well, you know, in

635
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 4: an ideal world, right, the Bengals maybe force you into

636
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: lighter boxes and lighter personnel and that sort of stuff.

637
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: Well what if they don't, you know, what if you're

638
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 4: coming at him with their heavy stuff. Now, all of

639
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 4: a sudden, you know that if you have a tight end,

640
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 4: for example, who's more of an h back type because

641
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 4: he's a receiver, now he's got to go against a big,

642
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 4: heavy guy that might just blow him up and shove.

643
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 6: Him into the backfield.

644
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: Right.

645
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 6: So, so yeah, you're right, and that that comes more

646
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 6: than ever. That comes down to those.

647
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 4: Five guys in front of the quarterback, right, those are

648
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: the guys that are going to be facing different types

649
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,719
Speaker 4: of personnel.

650
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 5: Yea, all the time. I mean, you know, it goes

651
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 5: back to like Bama and Georgia and the dude, Like

652
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 5: I bring a lot of stories from when I was

653
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 5: next door. The hardest thing for us to recruit next

654
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 5: door over defensive tackles because there's really a class that

655
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 5: are absolute freaks. I mean they are super you know,

656
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,239
Speaker 5: thirty five inch arms, six five, three hundred and ten

657
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 5: pounds and they all go to Georgia or Ohio State, right,

658
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 5: and they don't get a pick, you know, so you

659
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 5: have to scheme around it. And then they get two

660
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 5: or three of them and they say, why don't you

661
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: play left tackle? And he turns into Orlando Pace right

662
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 5: in the first pick in the draft. You know what

663
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 5: I mean, Like, we'll take a super freakd tackle because

664
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 5: we have too many of them and turn them into

665
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 5: an easy first round pick left tackle.

666
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 6: You know.

667
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 5: So there's just not many of those humans. You don't

668
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: see those guys walking around the mall. You might see

669
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: someone that looks like a corner or running back walking

670
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: around the mall.

671
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. When I was working up in Syracuse

672
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 4: and Georgia, Leone and Paul Pascalonia, Paul Pascal, and he

673
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 4: was the coach Georgia of the one offensive coorda and

674
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 4: then became the defensive coordator later. They were big on

675
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 4: taking guys, getting those tweener guys.

676
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 6: So you know, you were too.

677
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 4: You're going to recruit it just called them body type guys, right,

678
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: So you're going to recruit a four to six, you know,

679
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: four six' five. Corner, well that's not fast enough to

680
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 4: play To alabama At. Georgia but if you in those

681
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 4: days put on fifteen pounds right outside linebacker right, now

682
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: that four to sixty five plays really, well or you're a,

683
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 4: safety those things play.

684
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 6: Well, robie you.

685
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: Can't you.

686
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 6: Can't you can't eat your way up to a, defense

687
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 6: you know WHAT i.

688
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: Mean that's probably the one sort of position where you you,

689
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: know you can go from outside linebacker to D i

690
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 4: don't know how you're from the, tackle you sort of.

691
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: Can you. Know we tried this, too is we would

692
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 5: call them body type. Guys and it was basically anyone

693
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 5: that was like six three and a half or bigger

694
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 5: or taller two forty or. Heavier and you gotta remember

695
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 5: these dudes are, seventeen you, know so if we could

696
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 5: bring four of those dudes in a recruiting. CLASS a

697
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 5: lot of them are basketball, players so they stayed. Leaner

698
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 5: they weren't trying to get to three hundred or. Whatever

699
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 5: and year, one every one of, them we're gonna red shirt.

700
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: Them we're gonna feed him eighty four stakes a, day,

701
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 5: right and he's always going to do his. Lift and

702
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 5: then the next, year his mom's not even gonna recognize.

703
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 5: Him he'll be two sixty. Five and you, know he

704
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 5: was a tight. End he thought he was a pass

705
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: catcher in high school and he was coming in to

706
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: be a tight. End but right now he's a power

707
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 5: D N and then year two he's two seventy five

708
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 5: and he's a three technique, right and then maybe year

709
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 5: three he's a left, tackle a two ninety, Five but

710
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: he was an athlete. First you, know Like Buddy moid

711
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 5: learns so much From Buddy morris next, door and he's

712
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: still The cardinals strength, coach but he's a pit. LEGEND i,

713
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 5: mean he had he. Did he Had marino And stepmosky

714
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 5: and all those. Dudes and we made so many mistakes

715
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 5: on offensive linemen because we'd get the three hundred and

716
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 5: thirty pound guy that didn't move well and trim him

717
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 5: down to get to be three, ten and he'd always

718
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 5: be like marbleized, meat never gets strong. Enough give me

719
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: the guy that's, given the guy that's two seventy, five

720
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 5: And i'll get him to and he'll be a. Monster

721
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 5: not the guy that's three thirty and. Flabby and you

722
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 5: know we GOT i got trim twenty pounds off him

723
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 5: and he hates the staremaster and you, know like, right

724
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 5: so we would make that mistake with give me the

725
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 5: big dude that leans on people in high school and smashes.

726
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 5: Him BUT i can't do that Against Virginia.

727
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 6: Tech, RIGHT i mean the other part of that process all.

728
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 5: The body type, guys and he can't be athletes that

729
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 5: were basketball players or volleyball. Players and we'll ball them.

730
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 5: Up maybe they stay at tight, end maybe they become

731
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 5: a blocking tight, end maybe they're left, tackle but there

732
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 5: probably could be a D. M they could maybe be

733
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 5: a three. Technique and again you have them for five

734
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: years and year one you might put fifteen pounds a.

735
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 5: MONTH i mean these are eighteen year old, boys, right

736
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 5: they change, quick oh for.

737
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 3: Sure you, know and they got that unlimited meal playing,

738
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: right no.

739
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 5: Doubt and you're looking at mom and dad and Like

740
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 5: dad's a big, dude, Right mom's five. Eleven and you Know.

741
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 4: I've talked To. Scout you looked at looked at. Them you,

742
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: know they were like. There their thing was look at

743
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 4: the mom's. Feet if your mom has big, feet.

744
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 5: Most people think mom's more. IMPORTANT i have no. Idea

745
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 5: it might be an old wives tale.

746
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 6: Too it might be an old wives so BUT i

747
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 6: MEAN i was.

748
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 5: Also told redheads get hurt too. Much oh.

749
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 4: Man SO i think the other thing is too is

750
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: that you know a lot of times as a, recruiter

751
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 4: you'll probably tell that kid you, know, yeah well you

752
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: know you get a shot at tight, end knowing like

753
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 4: it's when in baseball and the drive to, Guy, sure

754
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 4: we're gonna let this kid play play, outfield then, pitch

755
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 4: but deep down you know this guy's a. Pitcher right

756
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 4: but but but we're gonna sign, him and he's gonna

757
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 4: be happy because he's gonna get tight.

758
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 6: End and maybe maybe they run he goes into tight

759
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 6: end room In dame one and then uh and they.

760
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 4: Usually figure it out mid tight end six, right, yeah right,

761
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 4: right you're saying maybe that that's the line thing is That.

762
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 5: I'm way worse at these drills than the five ahead of,

763
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: me AND i know. It my coach is telling me

764
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 5: it and he shows me on. Tape But i'm bigger

765
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: than them, too, Right And i'm a pretty good. Blocker and,

766
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 5: boy left tackles make a lot of.

767
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 6: Money they.

768
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: No, doubt they certainly, do and they deserve.

769
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 5: It you, know another other distance we're talking about. IT

770
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 5: i know we've got to. Move but another thing we

771
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 5: would do along those lines is we would bring in

772
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 5: like five running backs in a recruiting class because they

773
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 5: were ninety chance the best player on their team in high.

774
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 5: School two of them are going to go to the.

775
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 5: Linebacker one of them is gonna end up being a

776
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 5: really good running, back so we should always have a

777
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: good right, back you know WHAT i. Mean one of

778
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 5: them is going to Transferm one of them might be

779
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 5: an undersized guy and turns into a big. Receiver you,

780
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 5: know like they were really good football. Players they have

781
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 5: a feel for the. Game there's a lot of spots on.

782
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 5: Defense they might be a strong. Safety if he's a

783
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 5: two hundred pounds running back that runs, really really, well

784
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 5: he's definitely has a vision he's a good football player

785
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 5: and will always be good at running, back and we'll

786
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 5: find other spots for those. Dudes LIKE i go on

787
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 5: on about the, stuff AND i, think really, funny this

788
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 5: thing is. Fascinating but THE, u when they were THE,

789
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 5: u they would take big. RECEIVERS i thought this was.

790
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 5: Insane they would take six, four two d and twenty

791
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 5: pound receivers and eventually tournament defensive. Ends right that were

792
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 5: Von miller off the? Edge, Right, yeah like you talk

793
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 5: about a wide out turn if they had the temperament for.

794
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 5: It some of those guys don't want to get blocked or.

795
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 5: Tackle but if you're a tough guy that's an extreme

796
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 5: athlete coming off the, edge it's a four star recruit,

797
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 5: receiver right right.

798
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: RIGHT i also wonder about the specialization if that will affect.

799
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: Recruiting so IF i call, correctly And i'm pretty Sure

800
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: i'm correct on. This one of the things that Got

801
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: Russ grimm a scholarship At pitt was somebody went and

802
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 4: saw him played. Basketball russ grim saw, better look at

803
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 4: the feet on this, guy look at the way he's.

804
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 4: Moving let's take a shot at him and recruit him

805
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 4: and get him to The hall Of. Fame That's Bill,

806
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 4: one that's the Old Bill.

807
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 3: Nunn.

808
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: Right his big secret he when he reinvented scouting was

809
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: going to the dances on campus at night because he

810
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: wanted to see the big football players and how they

811
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: were moving when they were trying to dance with their.

812
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 5: Dates and he also didn't want the wallflower sitting in the.

813
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 2: Corner he also didn't want the guy who's shy and

814
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: doesn't talk to. Anybody that's so.

815
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 5: Funny school dances were a lot bigger in the seventies

816
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 5: and sixties and stuff like that. Too but you learned

817
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 5: a lot about a dude, there you. Know, hey and,

818
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 5: RIGHT i mean Like Darrell reeves was the best basketball

819
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 5: player In. Pittsburgh, Right like his basketball player stuff, Was oh,

820
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: YEAH i, mean IF i didn't watch his, football it'd

821
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 5: be like he'd be a good, corner, right IF i

822
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 5: only watched his basketball.

823
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: TAPE i think something similar happened When Ohio state Offered Malie.

824
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: Cooker you guys Remember Milie. Cooker when they offered him At.

825
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: Newcastle i'm pretty sure it was after a basketball, game,

826
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: okay because they saw they had seen him play. Football

827
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: came his senior year to watch him. Play newcastle went

828
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: like thirty eight no his senior year and won the state.

829
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: Championship and he was the driving force of. That. Yeah

830
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: AND i think it was literally like right after a

831
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: basketball game That Urban meyer was at In, newcastle he was, like,

832
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: hey we got a scholarship offer for.

833
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 5: You and you know this. WELL i mean you played

834
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 5: a lot of. HOOPS i mean you can really see

835
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 5: a player's athletic temperament on a basketball, court no. Doubt

836
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 5: there's no, helmet there a lot of. Communication does this

837
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 5: point guard take the game? Over you, know does he

838
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: have that? MENTALITY i want that. Guy you can really

839
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 5: tell a, competitiveness ball, skills you, know tight, ends can they?

840
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 5: REBOUND i mean there's a lot of. Correlation. Yep. Wrestlers

841
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,760
Speaker 5: we talked About Zach frasier. Yesterday we wanted every wrestler

842
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 5: we could get for the. Trenches. Yep they thought football

843
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 5: practice was. EASY i mean every one of them can

844
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 5: use their. Hands they're tough as could. Be they're in ridiculous.

845
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 5: SHAPE i mean that's a great starting. Point they ever

846
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 5: put a helmet on in their, life you.

847
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: Know the way bad, combination you. Know So i'm somebody

848
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 4: who played pickup basketball three to five days a week

849
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 4: for probably thirty. YEARS i, MEAN i just played a

850
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: ton of Pickup but, boy remember everyone to while wrestler

851
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 4: would come out like If i'm playing at why she

852
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 4: was playing pick up, BASKETBALL a wrestler come out and be,

853
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 4: like oh, no if you took. Me but he'd get really, low,

854
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 4: right really, low and then and then he'd like charge at,

855
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 4: you you, know and all of a, sudden like his

856
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 4: head is hitting you in the. Ab to, Me you're, like,

857
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: dude that's a foul.

858
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 6: Man come, on he's shooting at your exactly exactly and

859
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 6: his shoulders.

860
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,479
Speaker 5: Going he never gets.

861
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 6: Tired, no, no, right, yeah that's you have to be

862
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 6: super human to be able.

863
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 5: To do wrestling. Practices oh my, Goodness.

864
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 6: Grace we did this thing in gym class in high

865
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 6: school where you had to try to wrestle your way.

866
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: Through you started on all. Fours you only did it

867
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 4: a couple of times a. Year you started on all,

868
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 4: fours and there was like towels on either.

869
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 6: End you had to.

870
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 4: Run had two, teams so there's like maybe ten or

871
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 4: twelve guys on each, team and you had to wrestle

872
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 4: your way through pentagon and then pin the next guy

873
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: and ever you, know your team working together and then

874
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 4: try to get the. TOWEL i don't think we, EVER

875
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: i don't THINK i Think jim class was over before.

876
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 2: And we could just be, yash go, wrestle go wrestle

877
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 2: with one of your buddies for thirty, seconds, right breath

878
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: you are. Exactly that's the OLD i forget who it,

879
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 2: Was Troy loney maybe or one of those old penguins

880
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: enforcers used. To someone was, like, well why is the you,

881
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 2: know reporter sometime was like the is there any science

882
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: behind the five minute major for? Fighting you, know why

883
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: is it not a double? Minor why is it a

884
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 2: five minute? Major AND i think it Was Troy looney, said,

885
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: well because we need that long to catch our. Breath

886
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: after after that's another one boxing my.

887
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 4: Moving around while somebody weakens your legs with punch after

888
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: punch your kids, incredible.

889
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 5: Incredible and then those wrestlers are, like AND i don't

890
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 5: have to make, weight, RIGHT i don't have to drop

891
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 5: eight pounds in the.

892
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 4: Sauna and that's change for the guys in high school

893
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: back in, today wearing those, suits eating an, apples spitting it,

894
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 4: out spitting out what they were.

895
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 6: Eating i'm, like you're not getting you realized you're when

896
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 6: you're sitting it.

897
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 5: Out and THEN i don't have to do that before game, day,

898
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 5: right LIKE i can actually like sleep and.

899
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: Eat they've done they've done away with that by the,

900
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: way to a lot of it because it's just, unhealthy you.

901
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 4: Know but but your, POINT i, mean those those guys

902
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,320
Speaker 4: in the offensive line that know how to use, leverage

903
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: know how to use their hands like A Zach fraser.

904
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 5: Type leverage run. Shape it's a good, start, man, right you, know,

905
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: yeah it's a good. Start that's Like Alan, villanueva he

906
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 5: used to tell. Us he's like WHEN i was enlisted

907
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 5: in playing, football the easiest two hour of my.

908
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 6: Day was right by.

909
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: Far you.

910
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 5: Know that's like a. Vacation that's that's all wrestlers look

911
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 5: at it compared to wrestling practice. It they look around

912
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 5: like all of these people standing in a. Round they

913
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 5: do something for three, seconds and then you standing around

914
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: for a couple of.

915
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: Minutes you got to get to another break. Here we'll

916
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 3: have more on the other.

917
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 2: Side closed down this, hour final hour of the program

918
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: coming up before too much. Longer all the moving and

919
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: shaking that's happening down here on the south. Side it's

920
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 2: a spec of The Drive West, Shuler Matt, Williamson Rob

921
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 2: king here On Steelers Nation radio on The Steelers Audio.

922
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: Network this is The drive With Dale lolly And Matt

923
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: williams sision on your twenty four to Seven home of

924
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: The black AND. Goldnr Steelers Nation.

925
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 3: Radio final segment of this second.

926
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: Hour we will be, joined, oh probably about fifteen minutes

927
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: or so from now By Nick herbig of Course steelers

928
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: pass rusher. Specialists that we were just talking a little

929
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: bit about those kind of different roles between A gayleaham

930
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: And Jack. Sawyer it would be good to have him

931
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: on entering obviously his third year in The black And.

932
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 2: Gold we have just a couple of minutes to get

933
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: our clock back on. Schedule but, gentlemen in the midst

934
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: of that last segment or, so we have Your Pittsburgh

935
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 2: steelers twenty twenty five training camp, Schedule.

936
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 5: Okay official and really answer so we.

937
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 2: Can i'll go home later today and block off Our

938
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 2: julys and Our august and everything that's going. On the

939
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: twenty third will Be Players Report, Day, Thursday july twenty,

940
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: Fourth the first practice moved back to the traditional afternoon

941
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 2: one fifty five slot this, year as remember last year

942
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: it was the earlier morning. Practices this year the majority

943
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: of them back to the traditional one to fifty five

944
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: start Time, Thursday, Friday Saturday. Sunday that ramp up period

945
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: for The steelers there the acclamation period that will be you,

946
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: know in just shells and helmets and shorts and that

947
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: kind of. Thing and Then, Monday july twenty, eighth the day.

948
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: Off tuesday the twenty, ninth they really hit the ground.

949
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: Running that is the big Week, Tuesday, Wednesday, thursday all

950
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 2: open to the. Public padded Practices, Friday august first seven

951
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: pm Latrob Memorial stadium For friday night, lights and then

952
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 2: Back saturday And sunday for practices on campus once. Again

953
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 2: so that's, one, two, three, four, five six straight day

954
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 2: of practice with again That friday night lights and then

955
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: and then the turnaround On.

956
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 5: Saturday those first five or the acclamation, period the acclimation,

957
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: period AND i think the real kind of foot on

958
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: the gas period there as well.

959
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: Too and then In august it's a little bit broken.

960
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: Up you practice for a couple of, days day, off

961
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 2: and then of course the team, uh and myself And

962
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: kinger as well to On, Friday august, eighth will travel

963
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: To Jackson bill to play that preseason game there On

964
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: saturday to. Ninth Sunday august, tenth the day, off you,

965
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: know for travel and recovery after the, game and then

966
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: the final week of camp will Be, Monday august eleventh and.

967
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: Twelfth those will be the last practices open to the,

968
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 2: public because, gentlemen we will be having joint practices with

969
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,399
Speaker 2: The Tampa Bay buccaneers officially announced on this schedule as well,

970
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 2: too but those will be closed to the.

971
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 3: Public those practice With Tampa.

972
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 5: Bay there is a lot of EXTRA i mean at,

973
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 5: that and we talked about that a little.

974
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 2: Bit, yes you can. Talk, yeah we'll do a little

975
00:44:58,400 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 2: bit more of. That we'll get ready For nick Her

976
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: big all these things when we. Return on the other,

977
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 2: side it is a special edition of The Drive One

978
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: More hour To Go here on day five Of OTA's

979
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: from The South side On Steelers Nation radio on The

980
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 2: Steelers Audio.

981
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: Network