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Speaker 1: The John Nick and Kenny Florian Podcast, John Annick and

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Speaker 1: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 2: I love him.

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Speaker 3: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 4: Joy and Frank fut there are a couple of absolutely

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Speaker 4: self involved.

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Speaker 1: You are your hosts, John Nick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: So h Ken Flow producer. Cody's been doing this a

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Speaker 4: long time. Seems like he's got a new studio space.

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Speaker 4: And there was no dog snoring today. I hope Scuba

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Speaker 4: is still with us.

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Speaker 5: He was little extra quiet. I'm concerned, Cody.

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Speaker 4: You said extra quiet, as if the dog made a peep.

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Speaker 4: Unless I'm missing something, I didn't intend to lead the

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Speaker 4: show this way. But the dog didn't snore a single

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Speaker 4: register on any sort of scale. Cody's saying that he

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Speaker 4: kicked him out of the room is what he said.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, I mean that's I think that's the direction

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Speaker 4: in which we need to be going here on the

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Speaker 4: Annakin Florm Podcast. I mean, heaven forbid, you say no

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Speaker 4: dogs allowed?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 4: No cats allowed? I think would be a more popular

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Speaker 4: take than no dogs allowed. Ken, Are you a cat guy?

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Speaker 2: You know what.

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Speaker 5: I'm allergic to cats, so I you know, I get

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Speaker 5: the itchy eyes.

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Speaker 4: You know it's it's not good. It's sneezing.

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Speaker 5: It's gotten better over the years, But yeah, I think

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Speaker 5: I would be if I wasn't allergic.

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Speaker 4: You allergic to horses? Ken Flow? Uh, not that I

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Speaker 4: know of, Okay, all right, yeah, my brother Jason, I

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Speaker 4: might have said this on the show before, almost fatally

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Speaker 4: allergic to horses. No way. Oh it's nuts. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: mean I got a little bit of it. But you

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Speaker 4: know they were when we were campers that our final summer,

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Speaker 4: we sort of got to be these you know, lieutenant

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Speaker 4: going to ride in on horses. You know, the kids'

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Speaker 4: face is closing. You know, it's like, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if I can ride in on the horse. The poor guy. Anyway,

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Speaker 4: Craig to have everybody with us. It is Monday, August

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Speaker 4: twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, Episode five sixty four, The

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Speaker 4: Anticaploran Podcast, brought to you by DraftKings DraftKings. The crown

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Speaker 4: is yours, Kenthlow, how's the new hair? Am I allowed

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Speaker 4: to ask that I wouldn't even think? And then it

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Speaker 4: said the crown is yours? So how's the crown? How

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Speaker 4: the crown?

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Speaker 5: It's grown?

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Speaker 4: Back, dude, I can't really take it up with the thing.

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Speaker 5: But it's actually growing back. So you know, I told

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Speaker 5: you the first process is like basically you go in

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Speaker 5: You're like, oh, I could see all the hair where

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Speaker 5: it's gonna ground, and then it all falls out and

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Speaker 5: then it starts.

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Speaker 4: Growing back again. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I'm in that like initial broback phase and yeah,

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Speaker 5: you're coming back. It's coming back. I'm back, yeah, be back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. How's the practical shooting going. It's going, Well, what's

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Speaker 4: going on?

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Speaker 5: I've got a few competent I got a big competition

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Speaker 5: in a couple of weeks, John big competition.

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Speaker 4: What's the date of this? Gosh, I don't know. It's

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Speaker 4: in September. I think the second week, the second week

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Speaker 4: of September. All right, yeah, yeah, well will be uh

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Speaker 4: preoccupied for Canelo versus Crawford or what. Oh I'm watching.

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Speaker 4: I'm watching.

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Speaker 5: My boy John is calling the fights. I'm watching.

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Speaker 4: So are you training any Brazilian jiu jitsu these days

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Speaker 4: or no?

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Speaker 5: So I'm teaching. I was just in Chicago, did a

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Speaker 4: Had a lot of fun. It's got some great feedback.

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Speaker 5: Uh not so much training, but I think I think

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Speaker 5: I see the light at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna try that stem Cell. I've been

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Speaker 5: talking to CPI uh down in Tijuana, Mexico, and I

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Speaker 4: Man. Yeah, so I'm.

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Speaker 5: Over there, Yeah, all right, yeah, Dominic, Massachusetts's nice town,

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Speaker 5: Scott and you know some of us from Natick, you know.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, you should ask Domina Cruz about the CPI. Domina

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Speaker 4: Cruz coming up here in about twenty five minutes. Coming

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Speaker 4: up in about ten minutes, will be going by the

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Speaker 4: number one featherweight contender, Laron Murphy. Now movsar Ivloiv is

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Speaker 4: the number one contender, but I think informed speculation is

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Speaker 4: that Laron Murphy is going to challenge Alexander Volkanowski next.

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Speaker 4: So very excited to talk to the miracle Laron Murphy

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Speaker 4: about four fifteen his time. Today. We will also recap

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Speaker 4: UFC fight night Walker versus Jong, some interesting results there

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Speaker 4: in China, and a lot of other MMA news items

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Speaker 4: to get to as well. Kenny, we're on the street.

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Speaker 4: Is that you're gonna be an abu Dhabi for YOUFC

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Speaker 4: three twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 5: Uh, that's the hope. That's the hope. I've had potential

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Speaker 5: change of plans, which I'm really upset about, but I'm

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Speaker 5: hoping I could still pull it off.

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Speaker 4: But yes, yes, yes, well this is me bringing that

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Speaker 4: right to the air. You can blame it, can blame Boston.

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Speaker 4: And because he actually was considering coming to Abu dhab oh,

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Speaker 4: because word on the street was the Kenny Floran was

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Speaker 4: going to be there. I don't know what y'all talk about.

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Speaker 4: I just attend to business. I'm been writing commercial spots

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Speaker 4: all morning. Let's get to it, folks. Headlines brought to

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Speaker 4: to be saying I've been drinking a lot of gin, right,

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Speaker 4: but I have been, so I might as well tell

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Speaker 4: you I've been drinking a lot of Hendrix's gin. But

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Speaker 4: when I go by tequila, now, I go by the

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Speaker 4: tequila that invented tequila because it tastes the best, it

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Speaker 4: So thanks for our friends at Quervo. For always supporting

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Speaker 4: the annakap Florian podcast. How about Johnny Walker having other plants?

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Speaker 4: Johnny Walker had other plans than your first round finish

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Speaker 4: for Jean Migyong in Shanghai. Kenny, what do you think

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Speaker 4: of the main event?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a little concerned for you, to be honest,

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Speaker 5: you mentioned three alcohols in the last thirty seconds.

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Speaker 4: Johnny Walker, you know what I mean? Oh, Johnny Walker

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Speaker 4: all the night right. I was like, jin tequila, it's

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Speaker 4: the third but uh yeah.

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Speaker 5: Dude, Johnny Walker. It was such a it was such

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Speaker 5: a crazy fight. You know, he goes out there in

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Speaker 5: typical Johnny Walker fashion, does something very unorthodox, looked like

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Speaker 5: to Johnny Walker for forgetting it done. Again, his physicality

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Speaker 4: The guy is so big.

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Speaker 5: He hits very hard, and in the end it was

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Speaker 5: I think it was a good win. And especially in anime,

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Speaker 4: Man. So having an open mind for a sort of

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Speaker 4: MMA evolution and development, I think is a really important thing.

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Speaker 4: And two guys who have referenced that at the highest level,

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Speaker 4: I think I and mashadeo'gary and Israel a lot of

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Speaker 4: Sonia in our Fighter meeting have talked about sort of

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Speaker 4: having an open mind, always being open to MMA evolution,

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Speaker 4: and you have to be that way, like even Stephen

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Speaker 4: Wanner Boy Thompson would tell you that. And I I

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Speaker 4: think because Johnny Walker is that even though there have

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Speaker 4: I'm just happy for Johnny Walker because I think he's

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Speaker 5: You know, definitely, man, when you're moving your life around,

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Speaker 4: So good to see him get a win.

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Speaker 5: He struggled, there's been some inconsistency, and hopefully he can

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Speaker 4: And for Jean Mignyong certainly a lot to extract from

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Speaker 4: this for him in defeat anything on that side before

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Speaker 4: we move on.

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Speaker 5: I think it was kind of some poor decision making

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Speaker 5: I think he didn't capitalize in a point when he

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Speaker 5: be dangerous if he gets on top, but he's not

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Speaker 5: He really didn't. He was a little bit too patient

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Speaker 4: It's just so interesting when it comes to some of

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Speaker 4: these divisions and certain rematches. Right, if you're a top

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Speaker 4: light heavyweight contender, right now, you have this rematch coming

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Speaker 4: up between malcombat Alkalive and Alex Padeda. But Jean Mgyong, right, Kenny,

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Speaker 4: when we were starting this show, I would talk about

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Speaker 4: these two year championship setbacks, right, and Kenny, I think

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Speaker 4: at some time would be suggesting maybe I was overstating it, right,

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Speaker 4: But for Jean Mignyong, this is a big setback, right

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Speaker 4: in a division that things can happen quickly for you,

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Speaker 4: things are not gonna happen quickly for him. And we'll

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Speaker 4: see where Johnny Walker can go from here, see the

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Speaker 4: extent to which he can stack some wins. But this

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Speaker 4: is gonna be a big setback in terms of contention.

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Speaker 4: No title shot anytime soon for John MiG Young now,

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Speaker 4: you know for sure, man.

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Speaker 5: Especially, you know he had an opportunity to fight in

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Speaker 4: For him. I think it was a good matchup for

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Speaker 4: him to be able to do that.

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Speaker 5: So I think by everyone's expectations, you know this, this

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Speaker 5: was an upset and big win for Johnny Walker. And yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think it is gonna be a little bit of

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Speaker 5: a setback, but there's an opportunity with a setback, there's

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Speaker 5: an opportunity to get better and learn from this.

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Speaker 4: All right, speaking of setbacks, catchwaight of one hundred and

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Speaker 4: fifty three pounds for al Jamin Serling and Brian Ortega, Like,

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Speaker 4: what are we doing? You know when it comes to

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Speaker 4: the catchwaight and the you know, signed on the dotted

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Speaker 4: line and featherweight, all of these things, but nonetheless a

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Speaker 4: big win for al Jamaine Sterling, and you know, the

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Speaker 4: aesthetic is never going to please everybody, but fifty to

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Speaker 4: Nine days after the biggest win of his career. Now

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Speaker 4: show and for reality right now, Laarn the Miracle Murphy, Laron,

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Speaker 4: great to see my man. Congratulations. How have things been

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Speaker 8: Crazy and all crazy, and I feel I can finally

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Speaker 8: He was sharp, he was fast, he was strong, and

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Speaker 4: Laarn Murphy with us live here on the Anakin Floran Podcast.

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Speaker 4: You can follow him on Instagram at Larne one forty five.

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Speaker 4: On x it is at Larn Murphy, so so many

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Speaker 4: things I want to talk to you about. You know,

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Speaker 4: we'll try to be as efficient as possible. By the way,

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Speaker 4: your friend down on a cruise is about to come

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Speaker 4: on here in eight minutes to congratulate you as well

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Speaker 4: before you get on out of here. But I'll get

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Speaker 4: to a table go ta if there's time. But Carl Prince, right,

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Speaker 4: what has this man sort of meant to your career?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? So I've been working with Carl since two thoand

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Speaker 8: and sixteen, maybe I think I was into my second profight.

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Speaker 8: So we've been working together so for nearly ten years now,

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Speaker 8: and at the beginning it was just me and him,

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Speaker 8: and we've kind of built a team now. So we've

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Speaker 8: got solid, solid training partners, got a big gym now

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Speaker 8: and it's just like having that structure and just somebody

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Speaker 8: to kind of guys just so he's a good coach

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Speaker 8: as well that you can see the fighters are coming

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Speaker 8: out of our gym now and we've got we've got

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Speaker 8: like three in the UFC now, a lot in the

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Speaker 8: PFL as well. So the gym's flying and it speaks volume.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so you see like the fighting nerds come from

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Speaker 4: out of nowhere. Now, if I had their head coach

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Speaker 4: Pablo Sukupira here, You're like, dude, we're not coming out

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Speaker 4: of fucking nowhere. You know we've been here, right, But

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Speaker 4: for Manchester Top Team right to conquer this Alexander Volkanowski

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Speaker 4: Challenge one hundred and three sleeps from now potentially, you

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Speaker 4: know that I think would get all of you guys

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Speaker 4: the true flowers that you deserve, right. But those of

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Speaker 4: us who've been sort of tracking your every move since

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Speaker 4: the Zubera to Huga fight, it's it's pretty incredible to

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Speaker 4: watch what you've built. And I guess I want to

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Speaker 4: go back to twenty twenty two, like the accident, you know,

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Speaker 4: and losing that time and compared to where you are now,

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Speaker 4: like your mentality, I would think had to be pretty

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Speaker 4: hardened back then to get to where you are now.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's crazy. I was just speaking about that just

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Speaker 8: the other day. Actually, like where it was then twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty two, former career was over, had seventeen months out,

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Speaker 8: and it was like I had to go for a

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Speaker 8: lot to get back to this point here, and I

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Speaker 8: felt like that kind of restarted my career. It was

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Speaker 8: like I felt like I was on a bit of

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Speaker 8: a roll then and that happened, and then it's like

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Speaker 8: I have to go back to the square one again.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, it was tough, but in hindsight I'm glad

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Speaker 8: it all happened because it just made me hungry and

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Speaker 8: I feel better now.

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Speaker 4: So Ken Flow, this question is for you, Loron. Don't

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Speaker 4: say anything. Kenny over under four and a half UFC

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Speaker 4: fights for Loron in Abu Dhabi. So far over under

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Speaker 4: four and a half for this man in Abu Dhabi.

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Speaker 4: How many times do you think he's competed there under

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Speaker 4: bro five? This man is four four oho and one

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Speaker 4: in Abu Dhabi. It's crazy, right, So ten and three

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Speaker 4: and oh in the US by the way, just absolutely

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Speaker 4: crushing it on American soil. I think it bodes well

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Speaker 4: for Las Vegas in December. Larent Murphy with US Live. Hey,

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Speaker 4: So Alexander Volkanowski, right, I'd imagine he is occupying a

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Speaker 4: lot of headspace right now for you and Carl and

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Speaker 4: Luke and everybody else at Manchester Top Team. So you

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Speaker 4: know what is it going to take to potentially beat

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Speaker 4: this man in you know, three four months.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna take the fourth and fifth gear of Laurent Murphy.

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Speaker 8: It's gonna have to take the best version of me,

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Speaker 8: which I still feel like I've not shown yet. I've

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Speaker 8: shown glimpses, but I feel like I just need to

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Speaker 8: bring just let loose and just just let it all go.

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Speaker 8: And I think the fight with Pico had just kind

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Speaker 8: of taught me a lot and it's got me ready

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Speaker 8: for that. I just I'm just hungry for more blood now.

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Speaker 8: So I feel like I'm going to let all go.

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Speaker 8: If we get the fight against Volkanovski and yeah, put

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Speaker 8: the whole world on notice. It's my time.

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Speaker 5: You know, Volk had an amazing fight against Lopez. It

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Speaker 5: was a tough one, but you know, he is. He's

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Speaker 5: lost twice in the last three fights I believe in.

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Speaker 5: Do you think there's a blueprint out there on beating Volk?

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Speaker 5: And if so, are you going to kind of take

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Speaker 5: that same approach or do you see yourself doing something differently.

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Speaker 8: I think I'd approach it differently. I have a different

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Speaker 8: style than the Makashefs and Suporious. I have a different style,

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Speaker 8: but I think my style be very effective against him

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Speaker 8: as well. I watched the Diego Lopez fight I've seen

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Speaker 8: a few things in that fight. I think I could

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Speaker 8: I could expose Yeah, so I think it'd be a

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Speaker 8: great match up, and stylistically, I think he'll make a

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Speaker 8: great fight as well. But myself, get my Hungary's in

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Speaker 8: that fight.

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Speaker 4: So going into the Peico fight, a lot of us

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Speaker 4: were bemoaning the fact that your ranking wasn't high enough. Right,

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Speaker 4: and here we have a champion, Alexander Volkanowski that puts

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Speaker 4: over movsar I of Loyev. Right, he promoted his candidacy. Now,

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Speaker 4: he didn't get on the mic after a win and say,

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Speaker 4: mop so I watch your fucking oh it's on, right,

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Speaker 4: But as you know, as a fellow featherweight contender, he

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Speaker 4: did what he could for the mopsar E of Loyev fight.

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Speaker 4: But we have Domina Cruz who you can populate any time.

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Speaker 4: But you said, you said, if you get the title fight, Laarne,

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Speaker 4: and there's your buddy Domina Cruz. But yeah, right, I mean,

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Speaker 4: look at this guy. Look at Laron Murphy.

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Speaker 3: Dom God went out there and got the job done. Hey,

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Speaker 3: if you look on Twitter, I was telling the world,

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Speaker 3: watch my boys about to come out and show the

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Speaker 3: world how good he is.

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Speaker 4: So larn you just said if you get the title fight.

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to put you on the spot at all,

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Speaker 4: but I would think based upon what you did. And

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Speaker 4: I think I said this on pay per view, based

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Speaker 4: upon what you did with respect to Yayi Rodriguez and

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Speaker 4: Mom sorr Ivloyev and everybody else. And I know I'm

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Speaker 4: trained classically and broadcasting not to ask yes or no questions,

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Speaker 4: But don't you feel like you have made yourself undeniable

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Speaker 4: for the title.

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Speaker 8: Fight one hundred? I believe I've earned it now, like

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Speaker 8: like like everybody knows, it was supposed to be heavily

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Speaker 8: of them Peako for the number one spot, right and

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Speaker 8: I jumped in. I made it on three weeks notice

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Speaker 8: and I got to finish, So I deserve the fight. Well,

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Speaker 8: you just never know what's what's gonna gonna go on

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Speaker 8: you Jean Silver versus Diegopez coming up and who knows

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Speaker 8: it's like, But realistically, if you look on people, I've

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Speaker 8: earned it. I've earned it. Jean Silver's only had one

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Speaker 8: fight in the top fifteen, He's not fought no mean events.

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Speaker 8: I've fought two mean events, So yeah, it should be mine.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what else you gotta do, my man, Well,

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Speaker 4: we appreciate your time. When was the last time you

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Speaker 4: and dom trained together?

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Speaker 8: Do you know what? Yeah, but it showed me. It

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Speaker 8: showed me a few bits before the Josh Mmon fight actually,

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Speaker 8: which actually helped. I've got the privilege to spend half

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Speaker 8: an hour with him in the PI. So yeah, that

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Speaker 8: was good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fun. Keep it up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, We're all excited to see your rise, man,

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Speaker 4: and I would be stunned if your next fight isn't

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Speaker 4: for the belt. You know, there's television deals, right and

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Speaker 4: all sorts of things, so you know, maybe it would

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Speaker 4: be twenty twenty six, but hopefully it's one hundred and

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Speaker 4: three sleeps from now. You have to three two three

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Speaker 4: Volkanovsky v. Murphy and we're off and running. Brother, congrats

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Speaker 4: on a huge win, and we know you're training hard already.

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Speaker 4: But thanks for a few minutes.

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Speaker 8: Thank you, bro, Thank you pleasure.

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Speaker 4: All right, there were Murphy with us live on the

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Speaker 4: Anakin Flooring Podcast, and now all eyes on the handsome

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Speaker 4: face of the consensus greatest band of weight of all time,

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Speaker 4: UFC commentator Domina Cruz domb where in the world. Are

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Speaker 4: you right now Las Vegas, Nevada, USA?

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Speaker 3: Or what I am? I'm actually in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 4: It's good to see a champ. How are we healing

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Speaker 4: up with this shoulder and everything else?

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Speaker 3: Good? I mean you see, look, I'm starting to get

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Speaker 3: muscled back. You believe that it's been it's been twelve

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Speaker 3: weeks or no, fourteen weeks and moving my shoulder, I

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Speaker 3: can do this.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I can throw punches, but I can't hit anything solid.

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Speaker 3: It's very weaked. My arm kind of feels. The best

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Speaker 3: way to explain it is like a hangnail. It's like

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Speaker 3: it's there, it's still a little sturdy, but if you

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Speaker 3: just rip it wrong, it'll tear everything.

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Speaker 4: How long is that process? Dom? How long till it's

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Speaker 4: one hundred percent?

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Speaker 8: Like?

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Speaker 4: What they what have they told you?

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Speaker 3: As far as physical I'll be honest, like I've already

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Speaker 3: had one shoulder surgery. This second one was far more extensive.

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Speaker 3: I tore a lot more stuff than I did the

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Speaker 3: first time. But with the rehab that I've been doing,

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Speaker 3: it's been so much, like literally twice as fast as

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Speaker 3: the first rehab I did. And this is the second surgery.

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Speaker 3: So the PI is incredible Heather. Heather and the team there.

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Speaker 3: They had me doing two days, you know, and then

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Speaker 3: they give me the exercise take home. So I mean

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Speaker 3: I think, in like I said, another like month or two,

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Speaker 3: I should be able to start hitting hitting something with it.

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Speaker 3: But right now I'm just lifting and trying to get strong,

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Speaker 3: and no, my my goal is not to return to fighting.

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Speaker 4: And that's why you're saying why you're saying you don't

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Speaker 4: need to hit something. I thought you were having the

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Speaker 4: shoulder surgery so you could throw a ball to a

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Speaker 4: potential sun of yours, you know, giving you a warning.

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Speaker 5: John is what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: And I would love I would love to have that

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Speaker 3: girl like me enough where I can go and have

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Speaker 3: a kid with him. And we got to build that first.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not suggesting pro creation, but you know, I

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Speaker 4: do think part of getting the shoulder fixed was to

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Speaker 4: potentially throw a ball to a kid. But now you're

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Speaker 4: talking about hitting something.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, you know, I started out this, you know,

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Speaker 3: in fighting. Most of us in the early days, we

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Speaker 3: fought not because we were trying to be famous and

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Speaker 3: be on TV, is because it was like a thing

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Speaker 3: we did on the weekend. And you were trying to

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Speaker 3: not get arrested. So it's still kind of just part

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Speaker 3: of my life and be involved in it. But no,

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Speaker 3: I just I like to stay. I like to stay

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Speaker 3: as dangerous as I can. I guess is it best

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Speaker 3: to put it be healthy?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I mean, and I am trying to stay

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Speaker 4: as dangerous as possible for the next time I see you,

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Speaker 4: because as that shoulder heels, I need to have the

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Speaker 4: takedown defense ready. I mean, you know, the manner in

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Speaker 4: which you press your fucking forehead into my trainingum the

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Speaker 4: last and I tell you I will never forget a

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Speaker 4: lot of things to get to with Dominic Cruz so

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Speaker 4: real quick. So Larrol Murphy, who we just spoke to,

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Speaker 4: I want to get your thoughts on that. You know,

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Speaker 4: Kem Flow, he went on the trials for Liverpool FC.

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Speaker 4: When he was a kid. He was an outstanding soccer player.

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Speaker 4: I know it's a cutting room floor. I had a

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Speaker 4: knee injury at sixteen, but was a set of a

648
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Speaker 4: soccer player. How about your guy Laron Murphy with the

649
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 4: with the knockout of the year bro.

650
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's not really surprising when you train with him

651
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: in the back. He's really I don't know. You guys

652
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: watched the fight. He makes hard things look easy with

653
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: his movements. Like his movements are very smooth, is the

654
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: best way to put it. It's like it's like w

655
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: D forty and then everything's just smooth. Everything comes, it

656
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 3: extends all the way out. He moves side to side.

657
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: It's not like agitated movement. It's not wasted movement. And

658
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: he doesn't he doesn't telegraph anything really at all, and

659
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: so he sets really good tracks. And you know you

660
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 3: were talking about Yon Silva and he does that too.

661
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: And I think that when you're starting, when I'm starting

662
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 3: to watch the sport evolve, it's that it's no longer

663
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 3: just can you get through twenty five minutes? Do you

664
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: have the cardio? Are you tough enough? Now? It's like that,

665
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 3: plus can you set traps? Like is there a lot

666
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: of Sonya used to do, like he really raised the

667
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: bar and striking. I believe to show that you can

668
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 3: just stuff takedowns and have nasty kickboxing and still become

669
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: a champion in the sport. A lot of times people

670
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 3: thought if a kickboxer ever came over, they would just

671
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: get out, wrestled, out, grappled, for many, many years, that

672
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: was just the general thought, like, you can't come from

673
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: K one and be you know, a D one College

674
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: All American wrestler, because they'll just take you down and

675
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: keep it there. But now that gap has been filled.

676
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: Larelo Murphy has that style as well. He doesn't come

677
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 3: from a super crazy wrestling background, but he's got enough

678
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: takedown defense and enough jiu jitsu that now, man, you

679
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: got to fight with him more minutes on the feet

680
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 3: than you do in the grappling depending on who he

681
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: who he's fighting. And now he's also been able to

682
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 3: fight forward and back. That's also what makes Laurel Murphy dangerous.

683
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 3: He's not just a forward fighter. He's not just a

684
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: backwards fighter. He's moving side to side to hit these

685
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 3: spin attacks, like when you can use the whole you know,

686
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 3: floor to set things up and not just move in

687
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 3: one line. Man, you're so dayous. And he has that

688
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: with kicks, with boxing, with elbows, with knees, so he

689
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: can get close, he can hit in the pocket, he

690
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 3: can hit on the outside. I mean, it's really it

691
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 3: really is. The sports just evolves so much. People are

692
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: so good everywhere in the rooms showing the levels.

693
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 4: That's so well put. So what would you say then? Two?

694
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 4: I don't know if I should call him borderline a leap,

695
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: But what would you say to an athlete like Aaron Pico,

696
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: who is married to this game, who has tried to

697
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 4: do so many things to put himself in position to

698
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: have this great UFC debut, and now he is rather

699
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 4: concussively on the wrong side of the knockout of the year.

700
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 4: What would you say to an athlete like that if

701
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: you were like his striking coach and his head coach,

702
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 4: Brandon Gibson, because you know, pick your poison with your words.

703
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 4: At this point in time, he's put a lot into this, you.

704
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: Know well with you know me and myself coming off

705
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 3: a loss, so you know my last fight, I'll talk

706
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 3: about that first. It's like when you come off a loss,

707
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 3: you got a lot of self reflection of what you

708
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 3: did and didn't do. I think he did everything he

709
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: could do to prepare for that fight. He was in shape,

710
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: he was ready, Like I don't think there was anything

711
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 3: his body wasn't ready for. It's just again, we're talking

712
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: about a certain level. And when I watched the technique

713
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 3: in that particular fight, there was no feints. It was

714
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: pure pressure. It was pure pressure by Aaron Pico. It

715
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 3: wasn't this type of thing. Have you ever played that

716
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: game where you put your hands on top of somebody

717
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 3: else's hands like this, right, yeah, and you do this

718
00:34:53,840 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 3: and you turn Yeah. So Ler Murphy's doing this trying

719
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 3: to get Aaron peacock bite and Aaron Pico is not.

720
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: He's just going. There's no faints, and so if you

721
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 3: don't have that feint in between, it's easy to win.

722
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: Somebody throws and is all fans.

723
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: So bulk is all fans, all stand switch. That's why

724
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 3: you know there's levels. When you see when you watch

725
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,919
Speaker 3: the fight cards, you see at the bottom of the card,

726
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: no faints. You see at the top of the card faints.

727
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 3: It really is that simple. You've got to be fainting

728
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 3: and mixing that up into your style makes you impossible

729
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: to time and read.

730
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, being predictable in this sport is a death sentence.

731
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: Man.

732
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 5: I like what you were saying about DDP and Hamza

733
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 5: and how you know the sport ebbs and flows between

734
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 5: grappling and striking, and I absolutely.

735
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 4: Agree with you.

736
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 5: But in regards to DDP, you know he he had

737
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 5: a great statement. It was a long statement about how

738
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: he is going to approach this loss. Do you think

739
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 5: he can come back and get that belt back?

740
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: He says six months. I'll fill some gaps. But I mean,

741
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: when I look at that, that's not six months. He

742
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 3: didn't separate one time, like nothing right, not even his

743
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,720
Speaker 3: legs weren't getting involved from his back. He's just never

744
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 3: been put on his back that long, I don't think.

745
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: And you have to have an offense from the bottom

746
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 3: in order to get up. If your job when you

747
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: get taken down is just to get up and escape,

748
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: that's kind of defensive in a way. So if you're

749
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: on the bottom and you're getting held down, you have

750
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 3: to have some sort of like offensive attack from the bottom,

751
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: Like you need to go for a single leg, you

752
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: need to be able to like off balance to get

753
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 3: to a double leg. You need to be able to

754
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: off balance to create space and then get to a

755
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 3: front headlock. And then you have to create some sort

756
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: of offense from the bottom, some sort of attack so

757
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: that the person on top of you stops blanketing you.

758
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,799
Speaker 3: And he couldn't really create that, And I don't know

759
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 3: when you look at the differential in that particular fight.

760
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: It just looked like two completely different level fighters.

761
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

762
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the separation wasn't there. Now I could say

763
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 3: DDP got away one time around, I would have a

764
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 3: totally different uh thing to say. But he didn't and

765
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: he couldn't. He couldn't get away once. He couldn't separate once.

766
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 4: Can I read a quote real quick to you guys?

767
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 4: This This is Morenae Visser drikus du plus he's head coach.

768
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 4: I've been asked, do you want him to do a rematch?

769
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 4: I said absolutely not. Obviously we would like to fight

770
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 4: him very soon again, but there's no way I'll take

771
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 4: the rematch with us being a little bit behind in

772
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 4: our Russian style of wrestling. And I guess I would

773
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 4: ask you both. I remember Jack Dela Mattelena saying in

774
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 4: one of the Fighter meetings back in the day, and

775
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 4: Ramazan a meve, I look forward to trying to pass

776
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: this Russian wrestler test in my career. At this point

777
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 4: in time, he's now the undisputed UFC Welsway champion, has

778
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 4: had to fix like this. I mean, Mornee Visser is

779
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: a really credential guy. I understand it can take years, right,

780
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: ten years to bridge this gap that maybe they're trying

781
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 4: to bridge in eighteen months. But to your point that

782
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 4: like nothing resembling an escape.

783
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't know he doesn't want the rematch.

784
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 3: That says a lot, doesn't it the coach, Like what

785
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: else do you got to say? Do you really got

786
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 3: to ask anybody else after that?

787
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: Right?

788
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's keeping a real I think that

789
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 5: grappling gap is way too much right now, and wrestling,

790
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu whatever, it's one of those things that takes

791
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 5: a long time to implement because it does require so

792
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 5: much sensitivity. So it's I think it's smart. They need

793
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 5: to kind of build back up, right If they've seen

794
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 5: a huge vulnerability, they need to build back up. And

795
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 5: I think the coach is looking out for the best

796
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 5: interest of his fighter, and I think that's a smart approach.

797
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 5: It's not about ego, Goh, we're gonna go back and

798
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 5: get that far back. It's how are you going to

799
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 5: set your fighter up to go back and be more

800
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 5: successful in the future.

801
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's not just I think DDP beats almost

802
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: everybody else in the division, just that particular matchup is

803
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 3: just really exposed itself. And you know that's the thing

804
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: about being championed, So you don't want to bust on

805
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: DVP two about him. Mean, how many titles has he defended?

806
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 3: How much film do they have on him? And it's

807
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 3: the same thing with Taporia, Like there's going to come

808
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 3: a point even as good as he's looked, people are

809
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 3: gonna have the film. You're gonna start studying, Kabib said

810
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: at best about armand like he's got three fights to

811
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 3: watch to see the style that Teporia is going to implement.

812
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: We've seen Taporia get sat down by Ji Herbert, We've

813
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: seen the little gaps here and there. I'm not saying,

814
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: but I'm letting you know that when you're champion and

815
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: people start watching the film and you're in the same

816
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: division and you don't leave it, you've got guys on

817
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 3: the outside of the fence watching you on the inside

818
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: of the fence. When they come in to the inside

819
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: of the fence, they just saw everything he did and

820
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: they're going to use that against you. And this is

821
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: what you see with DVP. They they knew, okay, he

822
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 3: can strike, Let's see how good he can actually grapple.

823
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: And it's not that DDP doesn't have takedown defense, because

824
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: he does. But that wasn't the problem. It wasn't if

825
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: you get taken down to win and mixed martial arts

826
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 3: and can you create the space again? And that was

827
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 3: the problem, was that when he's on his back, he

828
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: doesn't have the jiu jitsu acumen to create the space.

829
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 3: That was jiu jitsu that he lost. It wasn't wrestling.

830
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he got taken down, but it wasn't like

831
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: pure wrestling comes Out's top pressure is black belt level

832
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: top pressure. That's just black belt level top pressure. It's

833
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,439
Speaker 3: not like he's just wrestling you like Fluffy Hernandez did

834
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: not that Flucky doesn't have top pressure, but it's a

835
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 3: different style, you know what I mean. And that's the difference.

836
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 3: That's that's the big difference.

837
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 5: Dom you brought up till Pooria. If you're Ilia, who

838
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,919
Speaker 5: do you fight? Armand Patty or Gaegee? I think those

839
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: are the three front runners, right, I think that's pretty clear.

840
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 5: But I'm not saying who you think he's going to fight,

841
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 5: But who would you fight if you're Eliita?

842
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 3: Well, what are we pretending not to know? There's things

843
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: about paychecks at a time, we're prize fighters. Were not

844
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: anything else we want to say or all these other things.

845
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 3: We are prize fighters. You put a price out there,

846
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: we take the prize. You imminity lose it. Who's the

847
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,439
Speaker 3: biggest prize? We all know the answer to this betweens. Yeah,

848
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 3: we just know. So if you're smart, if you take

849
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: that fight, like that guy's the that guy's the back. Now,

850
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: not to say if the other guys aren't good, but

851
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 3: the problem is, like Patty is just the he promotes,

852
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 3: he talks, he's got he's got a very big package,

853
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 3: and he's.

854
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 4: Got the history with Topia.

855
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it just makes sense to make the

856
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: most money with that fight. But now with this new

857
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 3: deal coming forward to nobody, does that change the layout

858
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: of if you care who you fight? Now you now

859
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: are you just looking for the better, easier matchup.

860
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 4: Well, and I was gonna say the notion, right, I

861
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 4: think this room would probably argue along the line of

862
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 4: the betting line that Arman Sark poses the biggest challenge

863
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 4: right now of those three for Iliot to right. But

864
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: the notion that Pattie is just some layup is just

865
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: a force Man it's a complete farce.

866
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: I think they're looking at the just a style matchup,

867
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: Like nobody's saying that. I don't if you're smart, you're

868
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 3: not saying Patty is like a layup, but you're saying, stylistically,

869
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: is that a layup comparatively speaking to armand Serukian, that's

870
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 3: the question, not Patty sucks compared.

871
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 4: To all Right, so what about gai Chi and Patty?

872
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to put you on the spot, but.

873
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: What do you want to what do you want to

874
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 3: know about?

875
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: No?

876
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,879
Speaker 4: I mean, do you think that the betting line would

877
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 4: be similar for gai Chi and Pimple? Right? Like justin

878
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 4: Patty Pimblet I would think will be a bigger underdog

879
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,560
Speaker 4: than Justin Gachie would be against Ilia Topoiti. And maybe

880
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 4: that wouldn't be accurate necessarily. Who do you think has

881
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 4: the better chance to beat Topoiti? A Gatechi, your Pimblet,

882
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 4: Gaichi right now?

883
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 2: Like Patti?

884
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: Well, okay, so that's the point they're in, got exactly

885
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 4: I do.

886
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 3: I think Patty looks Yeah, he's he's not what he

887
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 3: was when he came in here, like he isn't he

888
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: has improved And I think people forget like fight by fight,

889
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 3: you really do improve if you get the confidence. And

890
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: he's gotten the confidence. It's not like he's gotten that

891
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 3: that l that kind of set him back a little.

892
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 3: Like his confidence has grown, so he stays in the gym,

893
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 3: he gets back to training, and when that confidence grows,

894
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: you're a hard guy to be. And he's got that

895
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 3: right now. And and Gegie the opposite. Yea's found his humanity.

896
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: Yeah right. And Scousers as yet don't get knocked out,

897
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 4: so don in terms of competition, right as we try

898
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 4: to sort of rehab that shoulder. By the way, ten

899
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 4: thousand hours, right, you're an expert if you do something

900
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 4: ten thousand hours by my calculations, dom and power to you.

901
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 4: If this has been felt in the wallet at all.

902
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 4: But you've done over eight hundred red thousand hours of

903
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 4: rehab and physical therapy, how do.

904
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: You why would you you even that up? Serious?

905
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: Kidding, No, it's a joke. But think about the breath now,

906
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 4: I will leave you. I've had surgeries and your commitment

907
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: to these is in my notes. Your commitment to rehabilitation

908
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 4: and physical therapy is unbelievable. And that's why No, but

909
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 4: That's why if if somebody right, you're going to be

910
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: dangerous as fuck on the streets and in potential other

911
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 4: combat settings in the not too distant future. Again, yeah,

912
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 4: you know, I'll.

913
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,359
Speaker 3: Be good to go. And you know there's a possibility

914
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 3: of maybe some like grappling.

915
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: Fifty g's to show is that, yeah, fifty Yeah, I

916
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 4: enjoy grappling.

917
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: There's a possibility of that. You know, I still love

918
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 3: to compete. But I'm not gonna retire and come back

919
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 3: to fighting just because of the shoulder. Just I don't

920
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 3: ever want to feel that again.

921
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 2: I'm good.

922
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 3: That hurt.

923
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, well that would be thirty three thousand, three hundred

924
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 5: hour by the way I did just you know, I'm definitely.

925
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: An expert in physical therapy. There's two ways to do it.

926
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: You go to school and you learn it on paper,

927
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: or you break every piece of your body put yourself

928
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: together and learn it that way. And I learned it

929
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 3: that way. I mean from my feet to my to

930
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: my hair.

931
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 4: I have heard some well AI has failed us in

932
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 4: this setting because our producer chimes in the check GPT

933
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 4: says it was like two hundred and eighty five hours.

934
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 4: I can assure you that don has rehabbed and done

935
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 4: pt over ten thousand hours. I'm assure you that number

936
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 4: is so goddamn off. We're talking six figures. Anyway, we

937
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 4: got to move on. So zero percent chance we see

938
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: you compete at MMA again? Is that accurate?

939
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 5: Yeah?

940
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 3: I'm I'm pretty good.

941
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: I did I Why say pretty good? Just say yes?

942
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 4: Because you never know a million, two million, three mili

943
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 4: to show I guess it right, like your shoulder right,

944
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 4: what would happen in an MMA fight in two years

945
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 4: time if somebody offered your bag? What would happen? Is

946
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 4: you're you know you're asking me.

947
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. The reason why I always stay open to possibility

948
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 3: is because I don't how I feel now is not

949
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: how I'm feeling to you right now, right the way

950
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 3: it is, But in two years from now, I'm also

951
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 3: forty two. So does that What else does that do

952
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 3: to the rest of it going on? What else is

953
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 3: going on in the rest of life? What other you know,

954
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: business things are there? Like you know the bit when

955
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 3: when people retire. I ask people like this too, when

956
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: they retire, it's like, what's your purpose after that? You

957
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 3: got to recreate it? And is there a possibility that

958
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: you know when you retire, that's the time that the world,

959
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 3: the universe, god, whatever you believe in, is trying to

960
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 3: put something different in front of you, to move your

961
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 3: life forward and transform you in a different way. I've

962
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: been fighting for twenty years NonStop. I've been competing, and

963
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 3: since I've taken myself out of the competition pool, I've

964
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: taken this pair of goggles that were on my eyes off,

965
00:46:55,400 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 3: and the world looks completely different. When you retire the

966
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: the pressures. It's like having a map, okay, and then

967
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: when you retire, the map gets taken away and you

968
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: have no idea where the heck you're going to go,

969
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: what direction, And when you have the map in competition,

970
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 3: it's you know exactly how many hours, you know exactly

971
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 3: when you're going to wake up, you know exactly, Yeah,

972
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: you know exactly. You know everything you're going to do.

973
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: When that map gets taken away, it's a transformational thing.

974
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,720
Speaker 3: And I think that's why you see so many fighters

975
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,959
Speaker 3: leave retirement and come back because they want the map back.

976
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 3: It's it's a having knowing what the heck's going to

977
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 3: because there's control there. And right now, I'll tell you

978
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 3: the truth, I feel completely out of control. And it's

979
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 3: quite a weird experience to open your eyes every day

980
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: and not have the map. And that's I empathize with

981
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: ninety five percent of the world that doesn't have their

982
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 3: purpose so deep that they lock the entire world away

983
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: from them so that they can focus on the direction

984
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: they're going. I don't have that. You know, I'm not

985
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: in the competition pool. So now it's like anything is possible.

986
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 3: I can do whatever I want, and that can be overwhelming.

987
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 3: And man, it's been a cool experience to feel that

988
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 3: and to be challenged by it, and it's scary. And

989
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm really pulled into that feeling right now more than

990
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 3: I am. Okay, let's get back to what I know,

991
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 3: which is the map and competition. It's like, I'm it's

992
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: it's it's not easy to retire. It's a big thing.

993
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 3: It's a transformational process. And if I don't lock into

994
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 3: that as much as I've locked into competing, then being

995
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: out of competition can be just as hard as being

996
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: in competition. Uh, And that's what I'm learning. It's like, Wow,

997
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 3: I had a real, you know, conceived notion that I

998
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: was doing the hardest thing you could do. I was

999
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: sacrificing everything to win, right, And you think that's the

1000
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 3: hardest thing until it's gone and you lose the map,

1001
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: and then you realize anything is possible. You can go

1002
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: any direction you want, whenever you want, however you want,

1003
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 3: and that can be overwhelming too. It's a totally different mindset.

1004
00:48:58,239 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: It's wild.

1005
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: That's so fascinating here that I'm sure resonates loudly with

1006
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 4: Ken Flow and we can sort of talk about that later, Kenny,

1007
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 4: But it is so interesting. I think it applies to

1008
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 4: all walks of life. Like let's say I didn't want

1009
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 4: to be a broadcaster anymore, you know, and I wanted

1010
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 4: to retire, you know what I mean, It's like, what

1011
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 4: the fuck am I gonna do to support those three kids? Right?

1012
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 4: But you I mean, if I'm Domina Cruz, I'm like,

1013
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 4: wait a second, Like if I pay off this fucking roof,

1014
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 4: and I do some mathematics and calculations like how much

1015
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 4: money do I actually need? I haven't pro created yet,

1016
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 4: I mean, the world's your oyster.

1017
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 3: I would I would like to pro create, you know

1018
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: that would be nice. Hey, you keep saying that song

1019
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 3: tell you but you gotta have the girl?

1020
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1021
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 3: You know you can't.

1022
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: That is true, right, not gonna be a guy, Not

1023
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 4: gonna be a guy. Hey, we got long ago in

1024
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 4: the Kid's twenty twenty five. You never know, John, you

1025
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 4: have been We know here, we know. Yeah, yeah, all right,

1026
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 4: my man. Well I wish you a great day to

1027
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 4: better evening. I thought you were on absolute fire today

1028
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 4: as usual, but really a lot of thoughtful stuff for

1029
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 4: me to think about. And yeah, I hope all as well.

1030
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 4: When when we next see you with a microphone in

1031
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 4: your hand, my man? Texas pass San Antonio, no ja

1032
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 4: UFC September thirteenth. All right, my man, Well before we

1033
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 4: let you go, Canelo Alvarez Bud Crawford live on September thirteenth.

1034
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: Who do you like the underdog Crawford or the.

1035
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 3: Crawford is coming up? I believe in weight. Yes I'm

1036
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 3: not a I haven't done all the analytics on how much,

1037
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 3: but like how many weight classes.

1038
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 4: Up right, fifty four to sixty eight?

1039
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 3: I like. I like Canelo, bigger man, the durability, the weight.

1040
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 3: It's like you know, now, Crawford has the speed, right, but.

1041
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:55,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like.

1042
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 3: Canelo because of the weight difference. Like I just believe

1043
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 3: in in the weight cutting thing is it makes it different.

1044
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 3: Just I'm a weight cutter, so I get it. I'll

1045
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: cut twenty five pounds in five days and that gives

1046
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: me a lot of extra incentives to win. And I

1047
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 3: think that if you give us a guy like Canelo

1048
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 3: in a in a technical battle, every little tiny inch

1049
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 3: you can get as an advantage is a true advantage.

1050
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're the best. At Domina Cruz on Instagram. Appreciate you, buddy,

1051
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 4: look at buckets strong. We'll see you soon, Non San Antonio,

1052
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: We'll see you, bro.

1053
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 3: Have a good day.

1054
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 4: Thank you, good dom Future UFC Hall of Famer Domina

1055
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 4: Cruz reckon Hall of Fame comes calling twenty twenty six

1056
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 4: for mister Cruz. We shall see all right.

1057
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 9: My day kicks off with the refreshing Celsius energy drink,

1058
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1059
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1060
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1064
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Speaker 4: Let's get some start of the program on Hold. He

1065
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 4: is very long ago.

1066
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: It's now time for a Ray LONGO minute.

1067
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: I'm gonna plaice a hole.

1068
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: That's what I want, the Ray Long Minute. John Annik

1069
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,200
Speaker 1: and Kenny Florian Podcast.

1070
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: Nobody likes you on Nobody likes keeping you on hold

1071
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 4: less than me. But I thought Dom was in a

1072
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 4: particularly thoughtful stake today. But it's great to see you Raymond.

1073
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 2: Oh, he sounded, he will he look. I caught the end.

1074
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 2: He was on fire. I like the procreation talk though

1075
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: it's probably the last thing he wanted to.

1076
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,399
Speaker 4: Talk about, but well it came out there.

1077
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,919
Speaker 2: He procreates with himself a lot. I bet.

1078
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 4: Now, well there you go. I I just think it's interesting,

1079
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 4: right he finds himself forty years of age, retiring, and

1080
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 4: he doesn't have a wife and children and a bunch

1081
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 4: of dependents, you know, he has a dog. And uh yeah,

1082
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 4: so I thought it was interesting. How are you, ray though,

1083
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 4: more importantly, welcome home.

1084
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 2: Very good. Yeah, thank you very much. I miss you, guys,

1085
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: We miss you.

1086
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 4: Congratulations to uh Team Sterling. I love Aljaman Sterling man,

1087
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 4: I really do. And uh, you know, somebody who I

1088
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: really respect took issue with you know what I tweeted

1089
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 4: about him after that win. I'm just gonna see if

1090
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: I can find my tweet. But you know, more or

1091
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 4: less said that I don't believe what I wrote, and

1092
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 4: I do believe what I wrote. So I wrote history

1093
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: is going to look back fondly upon the legacy of

1094
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 4: Aljamaine Sterling. And I agree he has, as he said,

1095
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,919
Speaker 4: done enough in this game to ask for a title

1096
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 4: shot at featherweight. He'll likely need one more win, but

1097
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: he ain't wrong to ask for a crack. So what

1098
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 4: I'm saying like, what else? And I want to marinate

1099
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 4: in the win for a second, but like, if you're

1100
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 4: Aljamain Sterling is the former undspute to be Panaway champion,

1101
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 4: what else are you gonna do? You know you're gonna

1102
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 4: ask for a mob star rematch? You asked for a

1103
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: championship opportunity because I think he'd be live against Volkanovsky.

1104
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 4: I I don't know. I just think that his peers

1105
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,400
Speaker 4: know how good he is, and uh, I thought it

1106
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: was a great win for him over a really tough guy.

1107
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: Well listen, first off, his peers really know how good

1108
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 2: he is. That that's that fact. That's a that's a

1109
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: fact that what else do you want the kid to do?

1110
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,720
Speaker 2: He had so far, he has the most titled defense

1111
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: defenses at Bannam weight. Uh he pitches a shutout against

1112
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: a really high level guy. Uh, go back and look

1113
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 2: at his you know, look at even his losses to

1114
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: his sun Sell fight. I thought he won. I mean

1115
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: even the Marlin Moray's loss, which I think really made

1116
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 2: him stronger in hindsight.

1117
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 4: Uh.

1118
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 2: You know, he was supposed to fight Ronnie Yaha two

1119
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: weeks before that, a totally different guy. I didn't really

1120
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: want to take in the fight, but he wanted to fight,

1121
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 2: and you know, unfortunately he didn't go his way. But man,

1122
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: that he bounced back, and that's how you determine the

1123
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: guy's character. Man, he got knocked the fuck out, he

1124
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 2: got back, put on his fucking pants and went on

1125
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 2: a run from hell. So the Mozar fight, I don't know,

1126
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: toss a Coin. I thought he won the fight, right

1127
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 2: and you and you watched the scrambles like the highlights.

1128
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: Fucking shit was awesome. I mean it really was fun

1129
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 2: to watch man, right, Kenny, I mean, it really was

1130
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: a great fight to watch. If you're a grappling type

1131
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: of you know, mindset. You have to love that fight.

1132
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 2: So ex champion crushing the forty five division so far,

1133
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: really as far as I could, you know what I mean, like,

1134
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: what do you want from the guy? I mean, I'm John.

1135
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:37,319
Speaker 2: What you wrote is one hundred percent tru for some reason. Look, man,

1136
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with him. For some reason,

1137
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: he just rubs somebody wrong. I don't know. But if

1138
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:45,920
Speaker 2: you really break down his body of work, Alger is

1139
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,800
Speaker 2: a fucking great fighter, man. And and when I'm watching

1140
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 2: that fight, I mean, dude, that's like he'll he'll send

1141
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: me his sparing rounds. That's what I tweeted him to.

1142
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 2: It's like watching your sporing. There's nothing even comment on. Really.

1143
00:55:58,080 --> 00:55:59,600
Speaker 2: A lot of times it's like, yeah, that was good,

1144
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 2: that was good. Yeah great, What the fuck he did?

1145
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: He did a great job. I mean, the guy stood

1146
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: up with him the whole time, and uh, now that's

1147
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 2: not good. You know. So everybody, you know technically go

1148
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 2: fuck themselves once again, you know. So, I mean, I

1149
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: don't know, I think you know to know him until,

1150
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: like you say, to be in the room with him.

1151
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: I always told you I don't even worry about him

1152
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 2: fighting because he's always he always looks sharp and sparring,

1153
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 2: and he you know, that's what he does. Man, he's tricky.

1154
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 2: He's got a great fight IQ, and hats off to him.

1155
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 2: I thought his jab was popping the whole night. Uh.

1156
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 2: The footwork, you know, I mean, whatever the circumstances were

1157
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: in the fight. Obviously I wasn't there, and I'm hearing

1158
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: what you guys to hear him, but you know, the

1159
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 2: speed of foot, the speed of hand just was too

1160
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: much for the guy. That's the bottom line of the fight.

1161
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 2: You know, any other thing, don't take the fucking fight.

1162
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: I know, they got to make the fight and everything's

1163
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,120
Speaker 2: got it. You know, what about the fact that he

1164
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,880
Speaker 2: agrees to fight going up to one fifty three, which

1165
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 2: look the whole.

1166
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I to ask you about that.

1167
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 5: What info do you have if any uh you know,

1168
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 5: if you've spoken to Al Joe, any any guys over

1169
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 5: there about you know, the fact that the fight was on,

1170
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 5: the fight was off, fight was on, fight was off?

1171
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 5: Like how much back and forth was that and and

1172
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 5: how did that affect Al Joe if.

1173
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 4: At all that?

1174
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 2: I really don't know, I really I've only texted with him.

1175
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 2: I don't think I I might have spoke to him

1176
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: on I don't I don't even know about that, but

1177
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 2: I think I just texted with him because I was

1178
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: away and when I got back it was, you know,

1179
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: I was, you know, feet to the floor. But yeah,

1180
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 2: think about it, Kenny, any little any forget about how

1181
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 2: much back and forth? One little back and forth as

1182
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 2: a co main event five round fight. I still don't

1183
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: know why the fight was five rounds because or Taiger

1184
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 2: wanted it. They have the same manager. Just the whole

1185
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: thing is crazy, you know. But you know, I'm sure

1186
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: they'll reward al Joe for stepping up and doing the

1187
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: right thing and taken. I can't you see. I can

1188
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 2: see it now, Hunt the Campbell. Okay, look, your next

1189
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 2: fight is in Alaska. It's gonna be a It's gonna

1190
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 2: be a five round pre lim. You know you have

1191
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: to fight on the pre lims in Alaska. Five rounds,

1192
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 2: but those extra two rounds you could get that Alaskan

1193
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: crowd auled Joe. This is a big thing for you.

1194
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 4: I'll tell you who fighting was that He's gonna fight

1195
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 4: Aaron Pico on a white house lawne July four six

1196
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 4: years it's too much time. Go ahead, Kipler.

1197
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 5: Sorry, Ray, were you concerned when you heard that fight

1198
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 5: was gonna be at one fifty three?

1199
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: Uh?

1200
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 4: No, I his son Raven and Turks and keikos here

1201
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 4: was five. That's a part of you, part of It's like.

1202
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 4: But as a fan, as a fan, as a fan,

1203
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, man, I'm like, what are we

1204
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: doing here?

1205
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 2: Yeah? You got a guy moving up from thirty five,

1206
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 2: he's now at forty five. Now they made him fight

1207
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 2: at fifty five, right, and I think he did the

1208
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 2: right thing. He stepped up. And for the guy to

1209
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: just make sure to fight, it happen.

1210
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 4: It's bad enough you get a chunk of his purse.

1211
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 4: You're not the guy to ask. You were sunbathing in

1212
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 4: Turks and caicos.

1213
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: Well, he had to get a chunk of his purse

1214
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: for sure.

1215
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway, Ray, long minute here live on the Atnaic

1216
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,320
Speaker 4: and Florian Podcast. So many directions in which we can go.

1217
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 4: So the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson, Have you, gentlemen

1218
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 4: seen this VI?

1219
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 2: I got I saw that for the first time. You know,

1220
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 2: we had we had the company, we had the school

1221
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 2: barbecue yesterday. So somebody showed it to me at the

1222
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 2: barbecue that I don't know.

1223
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 4: Can I set it up real quick?

1224
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 2: Set it up?

1225
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 4: I have no give him the context too. I have

1226
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 4: not one over aware to the legend rampage.

1227
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 2: Of course.

1228
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 4: Roger Jackson, twenty five years of age, an attack on

1229
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 4: this wrestler, Stuart Smith. It was a Knox Pro Wrestling event,

1230
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 4: slammed him unconscious and then threw over twenty punches and

1231
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 4: hospitalized the guy. It was really really hard to watch.

1232
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 4: I was glad it didn't cross my wake, and then

1233
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 4: it did and it's here in my notes ray that

1234
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 4: was horrified.

1235
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,360
Speaker 5: So so prior to that, Prior to that, that wrestler,

1236
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 5: I don't know if it was a bit. I don't

1237
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 5: know if it was like intimidation, but I think he

1238
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 5: took a beer can and slammed it on Roger's head,

1239
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 5: and then they were kind of talking trash, and I

1240
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 5: think it might have been a bit, but they were

1241
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 5: kind of going back and forth, and you know, they

1242
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,360
Speaker 5: had cameras on them, and Roger felt disrespected and then

1243
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 5: kind of he's like, I'm going to get it back

1244
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 5: and I'm going to do it in the ring.

1245
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 2: So anyways, I'll tell you that's.

1246
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 4: Still unwarranted, but thank you for that context. I didn't

1247
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: have all of that.

1248
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,400
Speaker 2: That premeditated murder. Well you just described it. I mean,

1249
01:00:47,440 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 2: that's that's rough. Man. I sort of be a can

1250
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: thing to I. You know, I'm not into pro wrestling.

1251
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what the sticks are or whatever they

1252
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 2: call the bits, whatever they call them. Yeah, man, I

1253
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: don't know, man, But do you have a day to

1254
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: clear that up? I mean, it gets shitty when you

1255
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 2: know they said he was an army vet with PTSD

1256
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: and he's just doing this to help with the PTSD. Well,

1257
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: good news, he just got a lot more PTSD. I

1258
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: don't know if you get I don't know if I

1259
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 2: don't know if he's getting past that. But yeah, and

1260
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: you know what, you know, I don't know that that's

1261
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 2: that's an unfortunate situation. But what I saw was was

1262
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: pretty rough to watch. No one that was in the

1263
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 2: context of a pro wrestling fate. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1264
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,920
Speaker 5: A lot of people like throwing thrown around like, you know,

1265
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 5: exaggerated things about what happened. You know, it looked like

1266
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 5: he was trying to murder him and all that that

1267
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 5: that that is going to be a tough thing. To

1268
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 5: defend as far as you know, if someone brings charges

1269
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 5: for attempted murder, because I mean that that was completely

1270
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 5: out of line. It looked like he was trying to

1271
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,840
Speaker 5: kill the man. And if those guys weren't there to

1272
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 5: pull him off of them, it seemed like.

1273
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 4: He would have just kept punch.

1274
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 5: And of course he was already out after the takedown,

1275
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 5: as John said, so twenty over twenty punches unanswered after

1276
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 5: he's already you know, encounter some kind of brain damage

1277
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 5: from from the slam.

1278
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 2: You know, those were big shots. The other thing. You know,

1279
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 2: you could see that because it was pro wrestling, you know,

1280
01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 2: the ref had no idea what was like. They couldn't

1281
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: decipher what was going on and get that guy off

1282
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 2: quicker like that's crazy.

1283
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 4: It's really it's it was right, the amount of elapsed time.

1284
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: Before that's that's the other problem. You know, it's almost.

1285
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 4: Uh yeah, it's uh, it's just.

1286
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: Almost an accomplished at that point. Oh man, you just

1287
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 2: standing there looking at that, you know what's going on? Yeah,

1288
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: you're right there, but whatever.

1289
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I just wanted to bring that up. So

1290
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 4: we were talking to Dominic Cruz about Aaron Pico, right,

1291
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 4: and I don't know what you would say to his

1292
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 4: longtime trainer Brandon Gibson or not that you would say

1293
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 4: anything to the guys at Jackson Wink or anything like that.

1294
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 4: I know how much respect you obviously have for Greg,

1295
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 4: but this is a really, really difficult thing that they're

1296
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 4: going to navigate Aaron Pico out of. I think I

1297
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 4: know everybody in the fight game right has to deal

1298
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 4: with something, but maybe not anything quite. You know, you're

1299
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: thinking about Patricio Pitbull and PATCHI Mix making these uninspiring

1300
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 4: UFC debuts, and man, you take that every day of

1301
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 4: the week right now if you're on Pico, just in

1302
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 4: terms of the physical damage that you just took, right,

1303
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 4: and Donald Cruz boiled it down to faints and you're

1304
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 4: gonna get a lot of those from Alexander Bolkanovski if

1305
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 4: you're Laron Murphy. But what would you say to Aaron

1306
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 4: Pico when you put so much into this and then

1307
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 4: you got to absorb a loss like that?

1308
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, listen, man, shit happens. I mean, I

1309
01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: think you could look at put it this way. I

1310
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 2: think there's a game plan to get him out of it.

1311
01:03:58,160 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 8: Right.

1312
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 2: He was just super overaggressive of without really being defensively responsible.

1313
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 2: I liked what I saw before that, you know what

1314
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: I mean. So, but you got to be able to

1315
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 2: pick up on some of the tells, like Murphy did

1316
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 2: catch him with the knee. He was starting to pick

1317
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 2: up the timing. And that's when you got to go

1318
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 2: back to the fainting and draw a guy out a

1319
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 2: little bit to know what he's thinking. Like if Pico

1320
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 2: would have just fainted a little bit, he saw maybe

1321
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 2: the shoulders twitch to go backwards, you know, it would

1322
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: have been a big, big thing for him. You got

1323
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: to have like an internal dialogue going on in your

1324
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 2: head when you're in there making all these reads and observations,

1325
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 2: so you know, a little aggressive. You know, it's almost

1326
01:04:37,800 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 2: a complete opposite of the other two guys. They they

1327
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: played it safer. They couldn't pull the trigger. This guy was,

1328
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: he was pulling the trigger out. He was just booking.

1329
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: He was just going and uh, you know again not

1330
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 2: having the flight time with the other organization wherever he

1331
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 2: was Bellatore. You know, now you're up there with a

1332
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,320
Speaker 2: guy that's knocking on the door for a title shot.

1333
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: Was a that was a big ask man, you know,

1334
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 2: a guy that's been in an organization with a lot

1335
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 2: of good guys. So I think the I think they'll

1336
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 2: navigate through it. You know, look, I don't know, look

1337
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 2: my whatever. I've seen Pico and you know Brandon. It

1338
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: just nice guys. I think they'll navigate through that. And

1339
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: uh and and that kid'll be back for sure.

1340
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 4: So the nicest guys, Yeah, yeah, nice, nice.

1341
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: Really just a super nice guy. Told you he he

1342
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,200
Speaker 2: fought a kid from the Jim James Gonzalez, and he

1343
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: the body punches he threw one Gonzalez were just were

1344
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 2: crazy like he looked. He looked really good, but super respectful,

1345
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,720
Speaker 2: just a nice kid. I'm I'm pulling for him to

1346
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 2: come back from that. Uh and I think he will,

1347
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 2: you know, I think, uh, you know, it's so that

1348
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: was you know, there's there's two ways of going right.

1349
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 2: If he got a sustained beating for like three rounds,

1350
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 2: I think that's worse. You know, this was almost like

1351
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:02,800
Speaker 2: Sarah against the first fight against Shoney Carter. He's doing

1352
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:05,480
Speaker 2: great in that fight. I'm looking at, going, wow, he's

1353
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 2: doing all the things we worked he looked at and

1354
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 2: then he just ran into a spinning bagfist. So you know, Sarah,

1355
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 2: Sarah comes from the streets. He's a grounded guy. It

1356
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: didn't I'm gonna say it didn't affect him. I'm gonna

1357
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 2: say a guy like Michael Bisbee no effect. For the

1358
01:06:21,560 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 2: real fighters, they find a way to come back from

1359
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: that and figure out what they did wrong and make

1360
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,520
Speaker 2: the correction. So it depends. We'll see what he's made of.

1361
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 2: But I think you know he's got the He's got

1362
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 2: all that grinding from the wrestling coming up, which is

1363
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 2: always such a good base to have as you go

1364
01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 2: through so much adversity, no matter what, winning or losing,

1365
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 2: you're going through adversity and.

1366
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,360
Speaker 4: To maintain that wrestling though, hey Cam flow.

1367
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1368
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 4: In terms of fainting, right, I remember an early fighter

1369
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 4: meeting with Carlos Alberg, who's getting ready to headline against

1370
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,440
Speaker 4: Dominic Gray is here in Perth and he was like, Oh, man,

1371
01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 4: if I can ever learn how to faint, you know

1372
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 4: these guys, I'll be something right. So that's just such

1373
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 4: a huge part of the layered nature of striking. We've

1374
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,560
Speaker 4: talked a lot about it, Like to what extent, Kenny,

1375
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 4: was that a part of like your vernacular and trying

1376
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 4: to master that to whatever degree when you were fighting.

1377
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was lucky enough that I had that from

1378
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 5: a like very early on Peter welch By boxing coach

1379
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 5: was very much rooted in fainting and footwork. I did

1380
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 5: so much of that without even throwing a punch. They

1381
01:07:26,920 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 5: had me moving around a ring working on faints and footwork,

1382
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 5: and it was It's always kind of the stuff that's

1383
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 5: not sexy that you need to be working on and

1384
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 5: it's boring and a lot of fighters ignore it.

1385
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 4: But you know, just like anything else.

1386
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 5: You know, if you're a special operations unit and you're

1387
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 5: trying to go in and get somebody, you go in

1388
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 5: the middle of the night when people don't expect it.

1389
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 5: You know, it's the same idea. When I want to

1390
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 5: enter in and strike with somebody, I cannot let them

1391
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:54,840
Speaker 5: know when I'm coming or when I'm leaving, right, I

1392
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 5: have to have this idea, Like the art of war

1393
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 5: is subtle and it's tricky, and that's what you have

1394
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 5: to be. And even if you're dangerous, but I know

1395
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:05,800
Speaker 5: when you're coming and you're saying you're gonna be there

1396
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 5: at twelve o'clock, guess what I'm gonna be ready for you.

1397
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,000
Speaker 4: And that's the thing. You have to be very elusive

1398
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 4: and very tricky.

1399
01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 5: And I think Pico gave a great fighter in Laron

1400
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 5: Murphy a pattern to work with and and boy, you

1401
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:21,640
Speaker 5: know that elbow met his head when he came in

1402
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 5: and it's unfortunate. But yeah, I think the big thing,

1403
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 5: you know, you can fix defense, you can fix you know, fainting,

1404
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 5: That that stuff can be fixed on a technical level.

1405
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 5: But I think a more important question in some ways

1406
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,479
Speaker 5: is going to be can can we change Aaron Peako

1407
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 5: of like who he is?

1408
01:08:38,160 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: Right?

1409
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 5: Because can we do we tell him to be less aggressive?

1410
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,920
Speaker 5: Do we tell him to do things in a different manner?

1411
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 5: I don't know, you know.

1412
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 4: And can we integrate those fainting in with that aggressive pattern?

1413
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 4: I think we can. But there's a lot there.

1414
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 5: You know, Aaron Pico has kind of always been aggressive,

1415
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 5: and yeah, maybe telling him not to be as much

1416
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 5: or as reckless might be difficult could work against them.

1417
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 2: I tell you, Kenny, that was really really well said.

1418
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 2: I actually enjoyed that, but you know I was. I

1419
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 2: was always huge on them. You could ask anybody in

1420
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: the gyms the fakes. For me, we're just paramount man

1421
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 2: just always like again, there's and I tell you there's

1422
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times you watch like a high level

1423
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: boxing metch, you don't even see the faints. That's how

1424
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: subtle they are. Yeah, you get in there with one

1425
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: of those guys, you just don't know where those punches

1426
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 2: are coming from. Man, Like you think it's going one

1427
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 2: way and they could switch up at the last minute.

1428
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 2: But it's so subtle you don't even really see it,

1429
01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that's when you that's

1430
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 2: when the faint thing is at a high level, you know. So, yeah,

1431
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 2: vote does. He does a lot of one hundred percent.

1432
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 2: His faints are a little more you know, typical, they're

1433
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: not you know, like they're not the subtle ones I'm

1434
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 2: talking about. But he's got the good faints with his footwork. Yeah,

1435
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 2: you need to offset a guy. You need to Like

1436
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 2: it's like throwing a jib. You throw the jim to

1437
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: see what the guy's looking to do for you. For me,

1438
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: I called it pot shot. Let me just potshot this guy.

1439
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: See what the hell he's thinking. Oh, he's looking for

1440
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: that right hand over the counter. I'll be waiting for that.

1441
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 2: That's why I say that there has to be that

1442
01:10:08,840 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 2: internal dialogue when you're in there, and if you're just

1443
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 2: going at one hundred and fifty miles an hour, you

1444
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: don't even allow yourself for that dialogue. You're just going,

1445
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:20,759
Speaker 2: you know, you have to move around and smell the roses,

1446
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,760
Speaker 2: you know, get a read on somebody, and then take

1447
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: it from there. And that's what I'm saying with that fight,

1448
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: there were signs before that spin elbow that Laro Murphy

1449
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: was starting to get his timing and Pico was looking great.

1450
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,479
Speaker 2: He was pressuring him, he was doing great. But you know,

1451
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 2: it could have turned out if he misses that spin elbow,

1452
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 2: it could have turned out to be a fight where

1453
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 2: Loaro Murphy just counts on one getting him out with

1454
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 2: like one knee or one punch or one something, and

1455
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 2: it just doesn't happen for three rounds. So it did

1456
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 2: work out in that way, and I think it's how

1457
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 2: they they can make Pico understand really what happened and

1458
01:10:57,360 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 2: then you're right, it's gonna be up to him to

1459
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 2: change it. But you're talking about a kid who's supposedly

1460
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 2: been boxing for a while, he's been wrestling for a while.

1461
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: I just think that could have been like you were

1462
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 2: in an organizational wage just didn't get the chops of

1463
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 2: high level guys to make those corrections going up. Now

1464
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,280
Speaker 2: you're thrown into a situation where, oh, it's the new

1465
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 2: guy coming in. Let's give him the number one ranked

1466
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 2: guy in the world. You know, that was a tough wall.

1467
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 4: You know, that's that's well put by you. As you

1468
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: might say, I actually enjoyed that. I mean, Kenny gives

1469
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 4: you these fine analytics, and if maybe you don't enjoy it, sometimes.

1470
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: I love what you say. Hey, that's true. You don't

1471
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 2: want to know. You know, it's funny when you use

1472
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: the analogies like you know, which is a huge thing

1473
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 2: in teaching somebody and getting across you have to use analogies.

1474
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 2: But that was a beautiful thing. You don't want a

1475
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 2: guy knowing when you're coming or when you're leaving. And

1476
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 2: it's really true. It's a different way of putting it.

1477
01:11:57,360 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: I love it.

1478
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks man, you know, And they traditionally do not

1479
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 5: give someone from another organization who has achieved good things

1480
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 5: in that organization. They don't give them easy fights. And

1481
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 5: maybe Aaron p didn't deserve it. You know, it's like, hey,

1482
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 5: this is the big leagues. Now let's let's it's sink

1483
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:14,799
Speaker 5: or swim. Yeah, buddy, let's see, let's see what happens.

1484
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, think about it. They could have given

1485
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 2: him a bunch of fights, two or three fights, let

1486
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 2: him grow. He would have been a world It would

1487
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 2: have made a big difference. I believe you know what

1488
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,719
Speaker 2: I mean. But you know, look, you could ask anybody

1489
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 2: I've ever trained. I might think is that nobody should

1490
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 2: know when you're going or what you what you're gonna throw.

1491
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Speaker 4: So it sounds like to me for Aaron Pico to

1492
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Speaker 4: realize success at this level, he's going to maybe have

1493
01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 4: to incorporate more footwork and faints and be a touch

1494
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 4: less aggressive. Maybe not right, But let me just ask

1495
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Speaker 4: you this Ray real quick if I could, and then

1496
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Speaker 4: we'll let you get on with your Monday. Great to

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Speaker 4: have everybody with us live by the way on YouTube

1498
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Speaker 4: for the Etique Florent podcast. So Morena Visser came out

1499
01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:53,000
Speaker 4: and said he doesn't want a rematch for Drikus Zuplessi

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01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 4: against hamzat right. He says, no way, I'll take the

1501
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 4: rematch with us being a little bit behind in our

1502
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 4: Russian style of wrestling. Right, So in terms of bridging gaps,

1503
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 4: I'll ask you both this in MMA, right, like the

1504
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 4: time it takes to get they like for homs out

1505
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 4: and you know where I'm going, Ray, So I'll just like,

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Speaker 4: how do you bridge these gaps whether it comes to

1507
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Speaker 4: striking or wrestling or grappling?

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01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:24,400
Speaker 2: Well, man, that's a that it depends. Look, it depends

1509
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,240
Speaker 2: on the athlete. That's a really tough question. Looking at

1510
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 2: that fight, Like, if you're going to do that rematch

1511
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 2: in three or four months, you're absolutely and.

1512
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 4: So well, okay, so how much time does do plessing

1513
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 4: need that rematch?

1514
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: A minimum of a year of getting tortured every day

1515
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,320
Speaker 2: in the gym, And there is no conjecture, John, I

1516
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:47,040
Speaker 2: don't know that. I don't know the guy. Maybe. Look

1517
01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 2: it's like John, how about this. It's like I tell

1518
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 2: a joke. Some guys get it right away, some guys

1519
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 2: get it in like thirty seconds, some guys two minutes.

1520
01:13:55,479 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 2: Some guys never get it. I mean that's the way

1521
01:13:57,960 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 2: it is. Some guys are never going to get it.

1522
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 2: If it was that easy, everybody would be fucking champions.

1523
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 2: They just would be. Everybody's getting the same coaching from

1524
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:10,680
Speaker 2: the same team. Why isn't every winning? Definitely, you know,

1525
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 2: you got to look inside yourself. That I'd have to

1526
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 2: know the guy, but I would say a year minimum

1527
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 2: of just grinding out wrestling and bringing in the right

1528
01:14:19,439 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: guys to where he's confident, his coach is confident, a

1529
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 2: confident together, and then we proceed on. But until that point,

1530
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,519
Speaker 2: it don't look good. That was a wide gap. Like

1531
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:33,080
Speaker 2: that was a wide gap.

1532
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, can't flow. I don't know if you

1533
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 4: have anything for us on that, you know, I would

1534
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,720
Speaker 4: just add that, you know, I know it, dude. It's

1535
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 4: been a Brazilian jiu jitsu blue belt forever. You know

1536
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 4: what I mean?

1537
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 5: Like it's hard, it is, and listen, I think Ray's

1538
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 5: pretty spot on. I would have probably given the exact

1539
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 5: same time frame. I think at least a year of

1540
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 5: really grinding in there and getting the best people you

1541
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 5: can find when it comes to not all wrestling, like you,

1542
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 5: high level wrestling. That's something that he needs to be

1543
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 5: doing every day, wrestling offensively and defensively. Just get someone

1544
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 5: in there who could push you, maybe a few people

1545
01:15:09,479 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 5: that can push you, or going somewhere else where you

1546
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 5: can get the high level training and then also high

1547
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 5: level jiu jitsu in regards to countering some of that stuff,

1548
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 5: maybe in a different way because to say I'm gonna,

1549
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,760
Speaker 5: I'm gonna, you know, close the gap between a guy

1550
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:24,840
Speaker 5: who's been doing it his whole life and a guy

1551
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,040
Speaker 5: who does it occasionally. For m m A, it's it's

1552
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 5: really really difficult, man.

1553
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1554
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,679
Speaker 2: And again it's the old saying practice makes perfect. It's perfect,

1555
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,799
Speaker 2: practice makes perfect, and that's it. You just can't practice

1556
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,799
Speaker 2: with a random You got to get the right guys

1557
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: in there that really know what they're doing that could

1558
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 2: really bring you to the next level. And yeah, I've

1559
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: seen it with guys make the adjustment though, you know,

1560
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:51,679
Speaker 2: I see yeah.

1561
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 5: Because I'm very spot on, because there's good wrestling training partners,

1562
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 5: But what are they showing you?

1563
01:15:57,680 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 4: What are they showing?

1564
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 5: You need someone who can who can do it, and

1565
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 5: someone who can show you. Maybe it's two different people,

1566
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 5: but whatever it is, you need those people in there

1567
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 5: because you know, doing it and showing you what's going

1568
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 5: on and getting you understand drilling a man right.

1569
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 4: Well, when you hear HOBSA, you might have talked about

1570
01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 4: learning wrestling things and from legends like CYTV and yeah, man,

1571
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 4: I mean and when you hear Hanato moy Kano right say,

1572
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 4: underneath Grant Dawson and training like I don't know how

1573
01:16:26,680 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 4: anybody ever gets up maybe and that's a block exactly

1574
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,640
Speaker 4: like Grant Dawson. I don't know how anybody ever gets up.

1575
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,679
Speaker 4: And that's why for me, you know, seeing a guy

1576
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 4: like that, see, that's fascinating to me. I know we

1577
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 4: have a lot of grapplers and wrestlers dominated right now,

1578
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:44,120
Speaker 4: but to think about like Grant Dawson versus Ilia Topulia,

1579
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 4: that's fascinating to me. You know, Ray, Yeah, you don't

1580
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 4: seem as fascinated anything else before you.

1581
01:16:54,600 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 2: I'm just a fascinated guy. I don't really get I

1582
01:17:00,160 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 2: gotta tell you, guys, I really enjoyed this podcast today.

1583
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Speaker 4: Do you have actually you actually did you have to go?

1584
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Speaker 4: Would you rather stick around?

1585
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,640
Speaker 2: I would actually rather stick a fork in my eye?

1586
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: I can't go through that again? How's that? Would you

1587
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,639
Speaker 2: rather stick around?

1588
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:19,679
Speaker 4: Would you rather?

1589
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:23,439
Speaker 2: Would you rather stick a fork in your life in

1590
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: your eye and leave? Or answer another? Would you rather question?

1591
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Speaker 2: I'm so anything for you? What you need?

1592
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Speaker 4: I mean? Do you think that that that she was

1593
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Speaker 4: I think you had a video.

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Speaker 2: The old chuck Berry Swing. Maybe Len Dio.

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Speaker 4: Maybe she's born with it. Maybe it's Mabelne. Was she

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Speaker 4: born with it? Any thinks? Maybe?

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Speaker 2: I think that's.

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Speaker 2: I'm coming through for that guy. Just make sure you

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Speaker 2: give him my address.

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Speaker 2: Give that person cark Blanche whatever they need, caught Blanche.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a terrible one. Just fry him dry fire

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Speaker 2: Hats off to al joel Man, great job. Don't listen

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Speaker 4: The man to my left was the producer of this program,

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Speaker 4: Cody Merrow. Yes, and I said to him before the game,

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Speaker 4: I said, I just don't want the Red Sox to

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Speaker 4: Garrett Crochet continued to cement his Cy Young candidacy case.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it was a great time had by all

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Speaker 4: of them. Uless, you were in a Yankees jersey. But

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Speaker 4: I will say this. You know I don't get recognized

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Speaker 4: a lot, which is a great thing, but you know,

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Speaker 4: sometimes you do get recognized here or there. So Cody

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Speaker 4: Merrill and I are at the bar. I ordered double

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Speaker 4: Hendricks Jin soda. He got some drink in a can,

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Speaker 4: pulling out all his New Hampshire in that moment.

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Speaker 2: Was he not?

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Speaker 4: So he says to me, he's like, over under four

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Speaker 4: and a half people recognize you today, and I say

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Speaker 4: that goes soaring under. I'm gonna be sitting next to you.

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Speaker 4: I got my sunglasses on. I mean, that's a terrible

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Speaker 4: line set by you four and a half. And then

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Speaker 4: you know, and so I was like, oh, there's one,

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Speaker 4: you know, but they're one of the guys who was

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Speaker 4: so on I recognized in the section.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: Then the attractive old ladies to are left are saying like, oh,

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Speaker 4: what do you do? And it's like, I fuck nothing,

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Speaker 4: I don't do anything, but uh yeah, great job by

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Speaker 4: the Boston Red Sox And thanks to Cody Merrill paying

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Speaker 4: for my Hendrix hey LP. Yeah, thanks everybody. Well thanks

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Speaker 4: to Larne Murphy for joining us today thanks to Domina

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