Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jetty, and he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: So later this.
Speaker 4: Hour will place a clip or two just to give
Speaker 4: you a flavor of what the Kamala Harris Brett Baar
Speaker 4: interview was like and what some of the responses have been,
Speaker 4: whether it's the lefties on MSNBC, or what jd Vance
Speaker 4: thought of.
Speaker 2: It, or what Trump thought about it.
Speaker 4: He tweeted out about it today, So we'll get to that,
Speaker 4: the short version being I don't think it's gonna make
Speaker 4: any difference in this presidential election. Everything is baked in
Speaker 4: as it has been for quite some time. So more
Speaker 4: in that coming up later. We talk a lot about
Speaker 4: crime and punishment on this radio show, like a lot
Speaker 4: of people do in the country. It's one of the
Speaker 4: top issues everywhere all the time. And Katie, Katie, Katie
Speaker 4: the news lady, her dad was a judge, he's now
Speaker 4: a retired judge, and thought it would be cool to
Speaker 4: talk to him at some length about a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of different stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let Katie introduce her own dad.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yes, judge in Oakland for thirty three plus years.
Speaker 6: Thirty three thirty three plus yep.
Speaker 5: Known to some as Judge Larry Goodman, known to others
Speaker 5: as LL Dog and daddy O.
Speaker 2: So here he.
Speaker 4: Is here, Come here, pops, Judge, thanks for coming back
Speaker 4: on the Armstrong and Getty Show. Appreciated how you How
Speaker 4: you like in retirement? By the way, not everybody adjusts
Speaker 4: well to retirement.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it, No, adjudgtment problem.
Speaker 7: No, because it got to be a point where remember
Speaker 7: Sunday nights when you were in school and you hated
Speaker 7: Sunday nights because you had to go to school. Yeah,
Speaker 7: never felt that until right before I retired, and it
Speaker 7: was like I knew it was time at that point.
Speaker 4: Interesting stuck around long enough? Yeah yeah. So before I
Speaker 4: get into some like specific questions I have, do you
Speaker 4: think you have an overall takeaway from all those years
Speaker 4: of being judge a judge just about society and order
Speaker 4: and crime in general in Oakland?
Speaker 7: Yeah, not so much overall. I mean, you see good people,
Speaker 7: you see bad people. Oakland is particularly depressing at times,
Speaker 7: just because it's it's overwhelming and the kind of cases
Speaker 7: I did you just life was so cheap and there
Speaker 7: was really no concert. There was consequences, but it didn't
Speaker 7: seem to stop anybody from acting out. So but overall,
Speaker 7: it's it's a job, just like everything else. The only
Speaker 7: you feel like you're contributing a little bit by being
Speaker 7: part of the judicial system or the justice system. But
Speaker 7: outside of that, it's not like any shattering awareness that
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 4: Now, Well, do you think most people who commit crimes,
Speaker 4: particularly bad crimes, because of they're just born to be bad?
Speaker 4: Or do you think there's an environment they came from.
Speaker 7: I think most of them are. It's the environment. I
Speaker 7: think it's life is cheap. Would you like to sell
Speaker 7: burgers at McDonald's or sell drugs? And if you sell drugs,
Speaker 7: you hang more gold and you drive better cars. So
Speaker 7: I think that's what I'll do. But there's a certain
Speaker 7: risk involved in that, but I'm willing to take it.
Speaker 7: And that's what they see, that's who their role models are,
Speaker 7: and that's what they do.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you know the statistics on this,
Speaker 4: but were the vast majority of people that would come
Speaker 4: before you guilty found guilty?
Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah, I had three? Three I tried According to
Speaker 7: my clerk one hundred and seventeen murder trials, I had
Speaker 7: three not guilty verdicts.
Speaker 2: Really, and in your opinion, do you think they were
Speaker 2: not guilty?
Speaker 7: One of them in a death penalty case, he was
Speaker 7: definitely guilty.
Speaker 2: The other two and it was found non guilty and
Speaker 2: found out not guilty.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Interesting, he killed both his sisters and tried to
Speaker 7: kill his parents. But that's a long story for another time.
Speaker 7: But the other two they probably did it, but the
Speaker 7: evidence wasn't all that great.
Speaker 4: But so most of the time, if specifically a murder
Speaker 4: gets to a courtroom, they did it.
Speaker 7: The chances are pretty good. I mean, they've gone through
Speaker 7: the charging, the screening before the charging, they've gone through
Speaker 7: a grand jury or a preliminary hearing, They've gone through
Speaker 7: all the pre trial motions. By that time, it's been
Speaker 7: reviewed quite a few times. And so it may not
Speaker 7: be a murder. It may not be a first degree murder,
Speaker 7: it may be a second, it may be a manslaughter.
Speaker 7: But they pretty sure that they killed somebody.
Speaker 4: And I suppose because of limited resources and time, you know, money,
Speaker 4: all that you wouldn't pursue it unless you're pretty sure
Speaker 4: they were guilty.
Speaker 2: On the prosecution.
Speaker 7: Sign in Alameda County, where I worked, we had used
Speaker 7: to have not anymore. They had one of the best
Speaker 7: DA's offices in the country, and so there was a
Speaker 7: lot of checks and balances, and nobody really went to
Speaker 7: trial unless they were pretty sure they had the right person,
Speaker 7: although I will say I did one trial. After about
Speaker 7: three witnesses, the DA came in and said, you know,
Speaker 7: I think we got this one wrong. We're going to
Speaker 7: dismiss the case.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: So you weren't in the era or place of these
Speaker 4: das who don't want to charge anybody with anything to
Speaker 4: try to make some sort of point about society.
Speaker 7: No, that's one of the other reasons I'm glad I'm out,
Speaker 7: because I'd be getting in trouble all the time.
Speaker 4: So how would you have handled that as a judge
Speaker 4: or would you have had any role in it whatsoever?
Speaker 4: If if your local, if you got a gascon or
Speaker 4: whoever that just doesn't want to prosecute crime.
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, eventually what happens. I have a friend
Speaker 7: of mine who's still sitting on the bench, and he's
Speaker 7: been challenged by the DA because he wouldn't go along
Speaker 7: with all of her issues. Or all the things she
Speaker 7: was trying to do. He kept denying motions to strike
Speaker 7: priors or strike that, so they finally filed a blanket challenge.
Speaker 7: So he went from criminal into probate.
Speaker 4: Oh so that's interesting. Back to the violent crime. So
Speaker 4: you've had a lot of violent criminals come before you do.
Speaker 4: They tend to regret what they did at the point
Speaker 4: that they're in a courtroom. And I don't mean like
Speaker 4: regret it because they got caught, but if they could
Speaker 4: go back, they wish they hadn't done it.
Speaker 7: Very few, very few. I mean, I'm sure some of
Speaker 7: them deep inside might have felt that way, but it's
Speaker 7: kind of a sign of weakness if they do that.
Speaker 7: I most of them kind of maintained the aura of
Speaker 7: I'm a criminal and I didn't do it, but you're
Speaker 7: gonna and if I did do it, you got to
Speaker 7: prove it. But I'm not going to say I did
Speaker 7: it and I'm sorry. Once in a while it's sentencing,
Speaker 7: they will address the family of the victim and say
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, But not up until that point.
Speaker 4: You said, these people live in a world where life
Speaker 4: is cheap. Expound on that a little bit. They just,
Speaker 4: for some reason because of their youth or environment. They
Speaker 4: just don't get what.
Speaker 7: I don't think they think that they're going to live
Speaker 7: that long because they see a lot of their peers
Speaker 7: get shot or get killed, and so it's kind of
Speaker 7: like a live why you can go fast and go
Speaker 7: hard because you're not going to be here that long.
Speaker 7: And so you look at me, funny while I'm standing
Speaker 7: on the street corner and I come back and I
Speaker 7: shoot you, because that's the kind of a unwritten rule
Speaker 7: of the streets. You don't disrespect somebody without having consequences.
Speaker 7: And people get shot over the dumbest things. Or I'll
Speaker 7: shoot at you and I'll hit a twelve year old
Speaker 7: girl across the street because I miss, But that's collateral damage,
Speaker 7: and I really don't think about it. I just move on.
Speaker 7: And that was just kind of the mindset that we
Speaker 7: saw a lot of.
Speaker 4: Did you have people come into your courtroom with as
Speaker 4: flimsy a reason for killing somebody as you just described.
Speaker 7: Oh sure, oh yeah, lots of times.
Speaker 2: Okay, give me some examples.
Speaker 7: Well, we had the gun well I used to call
Speaker 7: it the gunfight at the OK Corral. It was the
Speaker 7: gunfight at ninety eight. The needs in Oakland, and one
Speaker 7: gang got disrespected by another game because somebody disrespected the
Speaker 7: guy's car. He said that car looks like this and
Speaker 7: looks like that, and it was his pride and joy.
Speaker 7: So one group of kids is in the liquor store
Speaker 7: buying liquor, and this other group rolls up and opens
Speaker 7: fire with semiautomatic weapons and kills three people. The other
Speaker 7: gang he finally gets their guns out and shoots back,
Speaker 7: and one of them misses, and the bullet goes across
Speaker 7: the street and hits a guy getting gas and lodges
Speaker 7: in his neck and he has a stroke and he
Speaker 7: loses his ability to talk. And all the people that
Speaker 7: we did the trial for, they had no remorse whatsoever.
Speaker 7: A matter of fact, I had to keep pulling this
Speaker 7: one kid out because he kept disrespecting and saying rude
Speaker 7: things to the one of the victims mothers who came
Speaker 7: to address the court.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, and how old were these people.
Speaker 7: Unfortunately, when he did it, he was seventeen, which is
Speaker 7: entitled him to have another re sentencing under the new
Speaker 7: laws in California. I sentenced him sixty five years to
Speaker 7: life or something like that, but that he was seventeen
Speaker 7: when he did the crime, so he was entitled to
Speaker 7: be re sentenced. I don't know what he got again,
Speaker 7: but do.
Speaker 2: You keep track of people after you sentenced him?
Speaker 7: The only I kept track of two people, and they
Speaker 7: weren't even murder cases. They were multiple sexual assault cases.
Speaker 7: And one one guy was a retired law enforcement officer
Speaker 7: who continually raped his stepdaughter and he came up for parole,
Speaker 7: and I was asked to write a letter, and I'd
Speaker 7: never done it before, but he actually raped his step son,
Speaker 7: who kind of gave him. He gave himself up to
Speaker 7: protect his step daughter, and the son ended up killing himself.
Speaker 7: So I wrote a letter saying he should I sentenced
Speaker 7: him to ninety nine years, but he's now in his
Speaker 7: sixty so he's eligible for elder parole or whatever they
Speaker 7: call it. And I wrote a letter saying I sentenced
Speaker 7: him for that long ever getting out and he didn't
Speaker 7: know his steps killed himself. So once he found that out,
Speaker 7: he withdrew his request for a parole and he's still
Speaker 7: in there.
Speaker 4: So I've always believed that on a lot of the
Speaker 4: sexual stuff, their brains don't work right.
Speaker 2: They were, they were, they were, They're born in such
Speaker 2: a way or whatever.
Speaker 4: Their brains don't work right as opposed to the other
Speaker 4: thing you were talking about, the you know, you grew
Speaker 4: up in an environment where you run with gangs in
Speaker 4: the more environmental than your brain doesn't work well.
Speaker 7: The sexual the in home sexual predators like this guy,
Speaker 7: Ron Roy Chass, I still remember his name. He's probably
Speaker 7: not wired right. But some of them are just mean,
Speaker 7: vicious people that it's you know, rape is not about sex,
Speaker 7: it's about violence and about control, and so some of
Speaker 7: these people are just violent sexual predators who just like
Speaker 7: to inflict that kind of pain on people.
Speaker 4: How how do you and this is tough for cops
Speaker 4: and prosecutors and people work in prisons, all kinds of
Speaker 4: different people, how do you keep your sense of humanity
Speaker 4: in that most of us are good and most of
Speaker 4: us don't do that When you're encountering these people all
Speaker 4: the time, it's got to wear on you.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, I was lucky enough to have Patty and
Speaker 7: Katie and come home and be able to you know,
Speaker 7: coach Katie and sports and hang out with her and
Speaker 7: my wife, and you just kind of leave it at work.
Speaker 7: And I don't think I tried real hard not to
Speaker 7: bring any of that stuff home, even when it was
Speaker 7: a high publicity stuff, when we didn't talk about it,
Speaker 7: we didn't watch it on the news or read the newspapers.
Speaker 7: You just try to when you leave the office, you
Speaker 7: just try to leave it there because it will wear
Speaker 7: on you. I mean, I had a couple of cases
Speaker 7: that to this day I still don't like to talk
Speaker 7: about them. But most of the time you're able to
Speaker 7: leave it at work.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: We're talking to Katie's dad, who is a was a
Speaker 4: judge for a very long time, is retired.
Speaker 2: Now what do you do? Mostly you fish your hunt? Yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you What do you do?
Speaker 7: I work out, I play guitar, trying to get back
Speaker 7: into golf, which will probably shorten my lifespan exactly. We
Speaker 7: still have a boat that we're keeping Crapifornia that we
Speaker 7: go out and stay on for a while.
Speaker 4: To that story, we got to talk about you getting
Speaker 4: robbed in your old hometown and what that was like,
Speaker 4: because this is just a story about the lawlessness of
Speaker 4: some areas of the country, among other things. All the way,
Speaker 4: stay here. Why are we playing this song? One of
Speaker 4: the most popular karaoke songs. Ever, it's very popular among
Speaker 4: the gay crowd, very popular among women divorcing their husbands.
Speaker 2: Gloria Gaynor has died at the age of something or other.
Speaker 4: She will long be remembered to this tune. Somebody will
Speaker 4: be singing this at karaoke tonight with tears in their
Speaker 4: eyes as Gloria Gaynor has passed. Maybe we'll do our
Speaker 4: loving tribute next half hour. For now, we're talking with
Speaker 4: the judge we'd known as Katie's dad around here, Judge Goodman,
Speaker 4: Judge Larry, who's been telling us about being a judge
Speaker 4: for over three decades in northern California and just crime
Speaker 4: and punishment in general and stuff like that. But interesting,
Speaker 4: So you moved to Idaho to escape in California or
Speaker 4: your whole life.
Speaker 7: We moved to California in nineteen fifty five, and except
Speaker 7: for going away for college and law school, I lived
Speaker 7: in Castro Valley that whole time.
Speaker 4: And like so many people, you fled California because it
Speaker 4: sucks a lot of it, the taxes, the crime, the homelessness,
Speaker 4: all that is really hard to put up with, depending
Speaker 4: on the area that you live in. And you left also,
Speaker 4: so you're in Idaho. Now you came back the other day.
Speaker 4: Tell us what happened.
Speaker 7: Well, we keep our boat in Alameda because one thing
Speaker 7: we do miss is the ocean and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: So we were having some people to go out on
Speaker 7: the boat for the Blue Angels. So we were on
Speaker 7: our way to the grocery store to get some things.
Speaker 7: We go out to the parking lot and I look,
Speaker 7: and I said, honey, our tires are gone, and there
Speaker 7: was the Toyota Corolla sitting. They brought their own blocks,
Speaker 7: so there was blocks under each of the doors, and
Speaker 7: they left the lug nuts, but all four tires were gone.
Speaker 2: With the wheels. Yeah, tires was so.
Speaker 4: So you're back in California, which you fled because of
Speaker 4: the crime and the homelessness and the taxes and all
Speaker 4: that sort of stuff. You come back briefly and your
Speaker 4: rental car gets all four wheels stolen off of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm like a junkie. I had to come back
Speaker 7: from my crime fix.
Speaker 4: I guess that is an amazing story and so emblematic
Speaker 4: of why you can't hardly ever get a U haul
Speaker 4: in California because there are so many people fleeing the
Speaker 4: states and the funny part.
Speaker 7: About is the lady that rented us the car, she said,
Speaker 7: now you'd be careful because they'll steal everything. And when
Speaker 7: you go get gas, you keep your eye open because
Speaker 7: they'll break the passenger door window and steal your purse.
Speaker 7: I mean, she went through this whole litany of things
Speaker 7: that were going to happen, and sure enough, the day
Speaker 7: after that happened to us.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
Speaker 4: Back to you judging and crime and punishment and what
Speaker 4: you've learned over all the decades of being in the system,
Speaker 4: I've always been I'm a big believer in the US
Speaker 4: justice system, and I've always just I've never been afraid
Speaker 4: of being falsely accused of anything like that because I
Speaker 4: just feel like the justice system generally works. Is that
Speaker 4: your assessment after decades of being involved in it, the
Speaker 4: vast majority of the time we get it right.
Speaker 7: I think so absolutely. I mean, like I said, we
Speaker 7: were always a little bit better than a lot of
Speaker 7: places in Alameda County. But yeah, I think for the
Speaker 7: most part, it works the way it's supposed to.
Speaker 4: And for places that it doesn't work as well, what
Speaker 4: would cause that?
Speaker 7: Just an overload of cases. Sometimes things get shuffled through
Speaker 7: that shouldn't get shuffled through. There are places where based
Speaker 7: upon how you look and how you act, sometimes you
Speaker 7: get charged. They're built in prejudices in some places. I
Speaker 7: taught at the National Judges College and Reno one day
Speaker 7: and the judges from Louisiana, a certain part of Louisiana
Speaker 7: came up and we're kind of making fun of us
Speaker 7: from California about how long it took us to pick
Speaker 7: juris and death penalty cases and everything, and really so
Speaker 7: it's just kind of a different mindset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I should ask you about that.
Speaker 4: California has the death penalty but doesn't actually put anybody
Speaker 4: to death. The leading cause of death on death row
Speaker 4: in California is old age. We taxpayers spend gazillions of
Speaker 4: dollars on this and nobody actually dies. Are you four
Speaker 4: or against the death penalty?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 7: I was fo it. I sentenced nine people to death
Speaker 7: I think, and one of them die to liver failure.
Speaker 7: The rest of them will probably outlive me.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's the problem with it. We're not getting
Speaker 4: it and nobody's dying. So I don't like paying for it.
Speaker 4: I don't mind capital punishment. I'm against it for the
Speaker 4: it's not practical if nobody's dying standpoint.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if we're not going to do it, we shouldn't
Speaker 7: have it.
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 4: I just want to ask you some questions about your
Speaker 4: experience as a judge, and whenever a big case hits,
Speaker 4: we'll go to you for expertise. As always, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Thanks Jack, you bet you. That's Judge Goodman, who happens
Speaker 4: to be Katie's dad. So we're gonna play a little
Speaker 4: clip or two of you of Kamala Harris's big interview
Speaker 4: with Brett bhar on Fox yesterday, some of the reaction
Speaker 4: to that, and there is confirmation that Sinwar, the leader
Speaker 4: of Hamas, is dead.
Speaker 2: Israel got him.
Speaker 4: I wonder what that means for where things stand in
Speaker 4: the midd least A lot more on the way, stay.
Speaker 8: Here, Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 2: They're actually just taking a look at the Drudge.
Speaker 4: Page, which back in the day I looked at. That
Speaker 4: was like the first thing I looked at every morning
Speaker 4: for years, for years. And I don't think anybody's sure
Speaker 4: what the following of the falling out was between.
Speaker 2: Drudge and Trump. Does anybody know what that was?
Speaker 4: But anyway, Drudge hates Trump, and even though he was
Speaker 4: the go to conservative headlines place for many, many, many years,
Speaker 4: Drudge hates Trump. And I don't look at Drudge as
Speaker 4: much anymore. And I'm not even exactly sure. I don't
Speaker 4: remember why I moved away from it. I think there
Speaker 4: were a bunch of things that started to not be.
Speaker 5: Accurate any Matt Drudge sold the Drudge Report right a
Speaker 5: while ago, and it's I think a point to the
Speaker 5: Auto family or something like that, and they're really big
Speaker 5: non trumpers.
Speaker 2: So he apparently just didn't care who he sold it to,
Speaker 2: or I don't guess.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't know what the reasoning was there.
Speaker 4: The only reason I bring it up is the lead
Speaker 4: on Drudge is one direction down, Liam Payne dead at
Speaker 4: thirty one, so not not anything about the election, not
Speaker 4: Kamala Harrison interview, not the fact that Sinwar has been
Speaker 4: killed the leader of Hamas by Israel.
Speaker 2: Their leads to arky, what is the guy.
Speaker 4: From one Direction dying? Who do they think their audience is?
Speaker 4: The average reader of Drudge is like my dad. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's got to average Drudge reader's gotta be sixty five.
Speaker 4: If not older, which is kind of funny. I don't
Speaker 4: you know, not important. I just am so shocked by that.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 5: It is the lead story with like eight links deep
Speaker 5: underneath it for reference articles.
Speaker 6: Unreal.
Speaker 2: Yeah huh, there.
Speaker 6: Are bigger things happening in the world.
Speaker 2: That just a heads up. Any who.
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris did an interview with Brett Baer and it
Speaker 4: was we were all on a group text chatting about
Speaker 4: it was kind of fun. Everybody was uncomfortable right off
Speaker 4: the bat because, as you'll hear here, this is the
Speaker 4: beginning of it. If in case you didn't see it,
Speaker 4: she tried to fillibuster from the beginning, and Brett knew, Man,
Speaker 4: if I'm going to get anything answered, I'm gonna have
Speaker 4: to interrupt her.
Speaker 2: So this is how the opening sounded.
Speaker 9: You know, voters tell polsters all over the country and
Speaker 9: here in Pennsylvania that immigration is one of the key
Speaker 9: issues that they're looking at this election, and specifically the
Speaker 9: influx of illegal immigrants from more than one hundred and
Speaker 9: fifty countries. How many legal immigrants would you estimate your
Speaker 9: administration has released into the country over the last three
Speaker 9: and a half years.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because
Speaker 3: I agree with you. It is it is a topic
Speaker 3: of discussion that people want to rightly have and you
Speaker 3: know what I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're just a number.
Speaker 9: Do you think it's one million, three million?
Speaker 2: Brett.
Speaker 3: Let's just get to the point, Okay. The point is
Speaker 3: that we have a broken immigration system that needs to
Speaker 3: be repaired.
Speaker 9: So your allmand Security secretary said that eighty five percent
Speaker 9: of apprehensions.
Speaker 6: I'm not finished.
Speaker 9: We have a we have a refreshment of six million
Speaker 9: people have been released into the country, and let me
Speaker 9: just finish.
Speaker 7: I'll get you the question.
Speaker 2: I promise you.
Speaker 3: I was beginning to answer.
Speaker 4: So that's where it was right off the bat, and
Speaker 4: she had that weird thing.
Speaker 2: It's of where she said.
Speaker 4: The first thing she said was, I'm glad you bring
Speaker 4: that up, because that is an issue that is important
Speaker 4: to Americans to all understand and be concerned with.
Speaker 2: And that is prudence to the you know, what are
Speaker 2: you doing here, ma'am?
Speaker 6: This is a wendy right.
Speaker 4: So he jumped in with some stats to try to
Speaker 4: nail it down, and as you're gonna hear here in
Speaker 4: a little bit.
Speaker 2: If you like her, you felt like.
Speaker 4: You know, she got under the skin of the right
Speaker 4: wing maga white male, and if you were predisposed to
Speaker 4: not like her, you feel like she didn't want to
Speaker 4: answer any questions. Here's Brett by the way, the host
Speaker 4: of the interview, explaining a little of the behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: He did this later in the day on how this
Speaker 4: all went down. It was.
Speaker 2: It was a little tense.
Speaker 9: We were given the time of five pm Eastern Time.
Speaker 9: Obviously my show is at six pm. They wanted to
Speaker 9: tape at five pm. We said we were going to
Speaker 9: tape as live, in other words, rolled the tape and
Speaker 9: then just turned that around unedited, uninterrupted. But we had
Speaker 9: to do it before five point fifteen otherwise we couldn't
Speaker 9: turn the whole machine around before the top of the
Speaker 9: six pm show. So we were waiting at four fifty five,
Speaker 9: and then five and then five zero five and then
Speaker 9: five ten. At five seventeen, the vice president walked out.
Speaker 9: So it did feel a little bit like they're icing
Speaker 9: the kicker or trying to Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean she showed up seventeen minutes late to
Speaker 4: have less time for him to do the interviewer and
Speaker 4: the whole ice the kicker thing. That's a football reference
Speaker 4: where if the other team's about to kick a field
Speaker 4: goal to win the game, you call a time out
Speaker 4: just to have the kicker stand there and be uncomfortable
Speaker 4: for a couple of minutes and maybe miss. So she
Speaker 4: was the icing the kicker by not showing up and
Speaker 4: hoping that Brett Bahr gets more uncomfortable, you know, running
Speaker 4: out of time and everything like that. I guarantee you
Speaker 4: he was scratching questions off his list where he thought, well,
Speaker 4: I'd better move this, get rid of this one, get
Speaker 4: rid of this one, or I'm only gonna have time
Speaker 4: for these.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I saw on Hannity he said he had seventy five
Speaker 5: questions prepared.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know how many answered or actually asked.
Speaker 4: He also said this.
Speaker 9: This was kind of a sense that she was going
Speaker 9: to keep on talking and that if I wanted to
Speaker 9: get through and redirect, I was going to have to interrupt.
Speaker 9: I don't particularly love to do that, but if I
Speaker 9: didn't do it, there may have been you know, four
Speaker 9: answers in the interview.
Speaker 4: You know, let's play the whole thing. Actually, Michael will
Speaker 4: do sixty and sixty one. This is Mika Brazinsky on
Speaker 4: Morning Joe. So if you are you know you lean right,
Speaker 4: you probably do. If you listen to this show, you
Speaker 4: felt like Kamala Harris was, you know, not want to
Speaker 4: answer the questions and doing every thing, but just to
Speaker 4: know how the other side took it. This is Mika
Speaker 4: Brazinsky and Morning Joe on MSNBC this morning.
Speaker 1: It was supposed to get viewers an opportunity to actually
Speaker 1: hear her plans as president. Instead, as you saw, it
Speaker 1: almost immediately devolved into an embarrassing bad faith effort by
Speaker 1: a once respected host to play to an audience of one.
Speaker 1: The host's constant rude interruptions were designed to distract from
Speaker 1: the issues and facts that Trump and his accolytes try
Speaker 1: and twist and distort every day, and on Fox News
Speaker 1: they try and avoid and they couldn't.
Speaker 4: I actually saw somebody on Hiss it might have been
Speaker 4: joy Read going with the whole. Of course, he couldn't
Speaker 4: handle a strong black woman being in the blah blah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah always that.
Speaker 5: You know, I almost prefer that than the whole painting
Speaker 5: her like a victim, like he was just running all
Speaker 5: over her and wouldn't let her speak.
Speaker 6: It sounded like a bashing. Like it. She was the
Speaker 6: one filibustering through that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Here's a little more from Mika.
Speaker 1: When Kamala Harris realized the host was not going to
Speaker 1: let her speak, the only way the Vice president could
Speaker 1: give Fox viewers an opportunity to hear what she had
Speaker 1: to say was to talk back over him. Was he
Speaker 1: making sure that happened? I personally think absolutely. Did she
Speaker 1: do well in this environment? Of course she was great.
Speaker 1: She's a former prosecutor, attorney general, senator, current vice president.
Speaker 1: She's fine with a situation like that and.
Speaker 4: Even flourishes so because it is such in the eye
Speaker 4: the beholder, and almost everybody has made their decisions already.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure this interview changed well. It certainly didn't
Speaker 4: change any minds. The question would be did it influence
Speaker 4: any of the undecideds in the swing states?
Speaker 2: I guess. This next clip.
Speaker 4: Includes one phrase that is already in Trump ads. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you'll pick it up or not, but
Speaker 4: we'll explain.
Speaker 9: This is a time when voters, especially here in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 9: are inundated with commercials and ads. They just wanted to
Speaker 9: stop because it's every commercial, but many of them add noise,
Speaker 9: but a few of them seem to break through. This
Speaker 9: particular one from the Trump campaign has gotten a lot
Speaker 9: of attention.
Speaker 10: Kamala supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners.
Speaker 3: Surgery for prisoners, for prisoners, every transgender inmate in the
Speaker 3: prison system would have access.
Speaker 9: So are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars
Speaker 9: to help prison inmates or detain the illegal aliens to
Speaker 9: transition to another gender?
Speaker 3: I will follow the law, and it's a law that
Speaker 3: Donald Trump actually followed. You're probably familiar with.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 3: It's a public report that under Donald Trump's administration, these
Speaker 3: surgeries were available to on a medical necessity basis to
Speaker 3: people in the federal prison system. And I think, frankly,
Speaker 3: that ad from the Trump campaign is a little bit
Speaker 3: of like throwing stones when you're living in a glasshouse.
Speaker 9: The Trump paids say that he never advocated for that
Speaker 9: prison policy and no gender transition.
Speaker 3: That take us for what happened in your administration.
Speaker 5: So that was my favorite line, by the way, her going, well,
Speaker 5: you have to take responsibility for what.
Speaker 6: Happened in your administration.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the line that is already in Trump adds
Speaker 4: because she has been trying to go with I'm not
Speaker 4: responsible for things that happened over the last three and
Speaker 4: a half years, and she just stated there that you
Speaker 4: are responsible for to happen over three and a half years,
Speaker 4: and the point being, for whatever reason, the way the
Speaker 4: laws are written, any healthcare that a prisoner needs, we
Speaker 4: taxpayers pay for, and at least so far currently still
Speaker 4: what they call gender firming care used to be called
Speaker 4: a sex change is included in that.
Speaker 2: But Trump doesn't advocate for it.
Speaker 4: That's the laws on the book, and he didn't get
Speaker 4: it overturned in his administration.
Speaker 2: But he's not out there campaigning on that's what he
Speaker 2: wants like she was.
Speaker 4: So I think those are completely different things, but that's
Speaker 4: the phrase that stuck out to a lot of people. Well, yet,
Speaker 4: you're responsible for what happens under your administration. Okay, Well,
Speaker 4: then how about the however many million illegals that came across,
Speaker 4: how about the inflation, how about the deads at Abbygate
Speaker 4: leaving Afghanistan, how about all kinds of other things. And
Speaker 4: that's why it's going to be in a Trump ad.
Speaker 4: What is going to make up the mind of the thousands,
Speaker 4: not millions, but thousands of voters in the seven swing
Speaker 4: states who haven't made up their mind yet. Nobody really knows.
Speaker 4: They probably don't even know themselves. I don't know how
Speaker 4: many of those people who can't make a decision are
Speaker 4: going to walk into the voting booth on election day
Speaker 4: and make up their mind. That seems so crazy to me.
Speaker 4: We're talking about this earlier. Katie struck upon something that
Speaker 4: I had never considered before, people that have trouble making decisions.
Speaker 4: She dated a guy who couldn't make decisions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was a form of your panic when a decision
Speaker 5: from taking one hundred and forty or one hundred and
Speaker 5: forty an hour and forty minutes to.
Speaker 6: Pick your pick out a pair of.
Speaker 5: Flip flops to actually having a panic attack while holding
Speaker 5: the menu in a restaurant. It was just any definitive
Speaker 5: decision was a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And and he wasn't dumb, no, super smart.
Speaker 5: I mean one of those like Snapple facts guys where
Speaker 5: you'd be like, oh, I wonder about this, and you
Speaker 5: just like new you know, weird Snapple facts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's one thing I've learned the the undecided
Speaker 4: voters are not dumb, they're not low information.
Speaker 2: They're just not good at making decisions. And I've known
Speaker 2: a few people like that.
Speaker 4: Just for whatever reason, every decision rose to the level
Speaker 4: of this is the biggest decision of your life, or
Speaker 4: you'll regret it forever if you eat the wrong thing,
Speaker 4: or get the wrong shoes or you know, see the
Speaker 4: wrong movie when you're trying to choose a movie on
Speaker 4: a Friday night or something. Yeah, so that that's what
Speaker 4: the undecide voter he is and what moves them who
Speaker 4: flip and knows.
Speaker 2: But it ain't going to be that interview yesterday.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you that we'll finish strong next. Two celebrity
Speaker 4: deaths in one day, kind of like when Farah Fawcett
Speaker 4: died the same day as Michael Jackson, so nobody noticed.
Speaker 2: Jesus, you got.
Speaker 4: Sinwar, the leader of Hamas, and Gloria Gaynor, who sang
Speaker 4: I will survive both of the same day.
Speaker 2: Imagine it. So this is Charles Pain of Fox. Do
Speaker 2: you know who he is?
Speaker 4: He's their financial guy, super smart financial guy. I always
Speaker 4: listen to what he has to say. He happens to
Speaker 4: be black, which matters to this because he's commenting on
Speaker 4: Barack Obama's attempt to reach out to young black men.
Speaker 10: Black men have to get over the fact that they
Speaker 10: got a woman on the ticket and are you afraid
Speaker 10: to vote for her?
Speaker 2: Is basically what he did, and challenge them. Damn shame.
Speaker 2: It's so insulting.
Speaker 10: I really I could you imagine a white man talking
Speaker 10: down to black people like that, particularly black men.
Speaker 2: That's our issue women.
Speaker 10: It's not the fact that I don't have a job
Speaker 10: where my job is not existing, or you know, I'm
Speaker 10: in a world where, by the way, progressives are racing me.
Speaker 10: The Democratic Party, particularly progressives in Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Washington,
Speaker 10: d C. Wall Street, they have erased the black men.
Speaker 10: There's no opportunities for black men anywhere in their world.
Speaker 10: And I think a lot of his sentence around what
Speaker 10: they perceived this will be too much toxic masculinity. They
Speaker 10: hate black masculinity. They hate it, and they've gone to
Speaker 10: war with it. And black men have noticed it, and
Speaker 10: guess what they're saying, We're not going to take it anymore.
Speaker 4: That's interesting, that whole war on masculinity thing that's been
Speaker 4: going on now for quite a few years as I
Speaker 4: raised two boys in this environment is interesting.
Speaker 2: Let's let Charles Ping go on.
Speaker 3: For those who are not inclined to vote for Kamla Harris,
Speaker 3: will they sit it out and not vote or will
Speaker 3: they vote for President Trump?
Speaker 10: I think the majority will vote for President Trump. This
Speaker 10: is a guy, by the way, for all of the
Speaker 10: media attacks against Trump, he has reached out to black
Speaker 10: voters from day one. He goes to the Bronx, he
Speaker 10: goes to these different places. He's reached out to black
Speaker 10: voters in a way that no Republican candidate ever has.
Speaker 2: People appreciate that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I was listening to a podcast yesterday and
Speaker 4: I thought they made a really good point about men
Speaker 4: being drawn to Trump because he is like a.
Speaker 2: Guy as opposed to the.
Speaker 4: Tim Walls type of guy, which is like all your
Speaker 4: sitcom dads where I'm I'm a knucklehead, I'm kind of
Speaker 4: a bumbling dumb guy and my wife runs a family
Speaker 4: because I just barely know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of a big, doey dumb guy.
Speaker 4: Which has been a straight armed seal clap that he does,
Speaker 4: but that whole portrayed dads or men as well as
Speaker 4: knuckleheads for all these years in sitcoms and commercials and
Speaker 4: everything like that. Tim Walls is trying to be that
Speaker 4: kind of guy, and Trump is definitely not that guy.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 8: Jack and Joe just had a very robust and productive
Speaker 8: conversation this morning, working together to discuss very important issues
Speaker 8: together in this moment in time, and now together in
Speaker 8: this moment, they will have final thoughts with Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 8: This is the most final thoughts of our lifetime, and
Speaker 8: it is time to share the final thoughts they have
Speaker 8: been thinking. And that time is every day.
Speaker 4: Okay, here's your host for final thoughts. Me as Joe
Speaker 4: is playing golf with a bunch of dudes and eating
Speaker 4: and drinking. Let's get a final thought from Michaelangelo.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was thinking abou Kamala being late for the interview.
Speaker 5: I'm amazed at Brett Bair didn't say to her people,
Speaker 5: hey she's got five minutes, or I'm telling my viewers
Speaker 5: she was a no show.
Speaker 2: You know, that wouldn't have been a bad move.
Speaker 4: I mean it's not like she was five minutes late
Speaker 4: or ten minutes late.
Speaker 2: She was seventeen minutes late.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's perfectly in the wheelhouse of I leave me.
Speaker 4: If I got a meeting with somebody at five and
Speaker 4: at a quarter after they're not there, I probably go
Speaker 4: out to my car. Right anyway, let's get a final
Speaker 4: thought from Katie Green.
Speaker 5: So I know that intro to this final thoughts is
Speaker 5: top topical.
Speaker 6: And I'll you know, right a long time. But oh
Speaker 6: my god, can we get rid of that?
Speaker 2: It's hard to hear, isn't It's not even real long?
Speaker 5: Ai, I know, But oh my god, I've already had
Speaker 5: it with her.
Speaker 4: It's ponderous. Ugh, here's my final thought. What is the
Speaker 4: reaction going to be to the death of Sinwar? So
Speaker 4: they're breaking into live news coverage on all the networks
Speaker 4: now that it's.
Speaker 2: Been confirmed the leader of Hamas is dead.
Speaker 4: A couple experts we talked to today just think somebody
Speaker 4: else will slide into a spot and won't make that
Speaker 4: much difference. But we'll see if there's an attempt of
Speaker 4: our retaliation. If I'm the leader of Iran, I gotta
Speaker 4: be somewhat concerned that I'm next Armstrong and Geeddy Wrapping
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Speaker 2: Armstrong inngeddy dot com. God bless America. I just got
Speaker 2: one final question.
Speaker 9: Or not say you said yes, yeah you did, you
Speaker 9: absolutely did, and point of personal previallege.
Speaker 2: I want winner. You're a loser, Congressman. What a load
Speaker 2: of fatuous nonsense. This is the time we are opening
Speaker 2: the aperture.
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Speaker 2: Gt LB so a little too much, Doty does.
Speaker 5: These conversations are intrinsically multifaceted.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: Let I know.
Speaker 2: Thank you all very much, Armstrong and Getty