WEBVTT - Everyone Was Uncomfortable 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:06.240 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:10.280 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty. 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:17.320 Armstrong and Jetty, and he Armstrong and Getty. 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:22.239 So later this. 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:25.600 Hour will place a clip or two just to give 0:00:25.640 --> 0:00:30.600 you a flavor of what the Kamala Harris Brett Baar 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:34.880 interview was like and what some of the responses have been, 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:39.360 whether it's the lefties on MSNBC, or what jd Vance 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:39.720 thought of. 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.120 It, or what Trump thought about it. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:44.519 He tweeted out about it today, So we'll get to that, 0:00:45.320 --> 0:00:48.000 the short version being I don't think it's gonna make 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:51.640 any difference in this presidential election. Everything is baked in 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.360 as it has been for quite some time. So more 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.280 in that coming up later. We talk a lot about 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.959 crime and punishment on this radio show, like a lot 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:04.640 of people do in the country. It's one of the 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:11.880 top issues everywhere all the time. And Katie, Katie, Katie 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.720 the news lady, her dad was a judge, he's now 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:17.000 a retired judge, and thought it would be cool to 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:19.640 talk to him at some length about a whole bunch 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:20.199 of different stuff. 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.440 I'm gonna let Katie introduce her own dad. 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:26.520 Okay, Yes, judge in Oakland for thirty three plus years. 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:29.080 Thirty three thirty three plus yep. 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:31.880 Known to some as Judge Larry Goodman, known to others 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.400 as LL Dog and daddy O. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.479 So here he. 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:39.440 Is here, Come here, pops, Judge, thanks for coming back 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.679 on the Armstrong and Getty Show. Appreciated how you How 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.200 you like in retirement? By the way, not everybody adjusts 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:45.040 well to retirement. 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:45.959 I love it. 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:47.880 I love it, No, adjudgtment problem. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.720 No, because it got to be a point where remember 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:52.760 Sunday nights when you were in school and you hated 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:54.560 Sunday nights because you had to go to school. Yeah, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:57.240 never felt that until right before I retired, and it 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:59.280 was like I knew it was time at that point. 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:04.520 Interesting stuck around long enough? Yeah yeah. So before I 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:08.920 get into some like specific questions I have, do you 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.760 think you have an overall takeaway from all those years 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.760 of being judge a judge just about society and order 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.320 and crime in general in Oakland? 0:02:19.360 --> 0:02:24.120 Yeah, not so much overall. I mean, you see good people, 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:28.480 you see bad people. Oakland is particularly depressing at times, 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:31.960 just because it's it's overwhelming and the kind of cases 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:35.000 I did you just life was so cheap and there 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.560 was really no concert. There was consequences, but it didn't 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:41.840 seem to stop anybody from acting out. So but overall, 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:44.799 it's it's a job, just like everything else. The only 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:47.840 you feel like you're contributing a little bit by being 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.880 part of the judicial system or the justice system. But 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:54.880 outside of that, it's not like any shattering awareness that 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:55.160 I have. 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.520 Now, Well, do you think most people who commit crimes, 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:04.399 particularly bad crimes, because of they're just born to be bad? 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.959 Or do you think there's an environment they came from. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:11.080 I think most of them are. It's the environment. I 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.480 think it's life is cheap. Would you like to sell 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:18.040 burgers at McDonald's or sell drugs? And if you sell drugs, 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.400 you hang more gold and you drive better cars. So 0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:22.280 I think that's what I'll do. But there's a certain 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.520 risk involved in that, but I'm willing to take it. 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.560 And that's what they see, that's who their role models are, 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.359 and that's what they do. 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.160 I don't know if you know the statistics on this, 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.000 but were the vast majority of people that would come 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:34.960 before you guilty found guilty? 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:39.080 Oh? Yeah, I had three? Three I tried According to 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.160 my clerk one hundred and seventeen murder trials, I had 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:43.960 three not guilty verdicts. 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.040 Really, and in your opinion, do you think they were 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:47.640 not guilty? 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.120 One of them in a death penalty case, he was 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.160 definitely guilty. 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.320 The other two and it was found non guilty and 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:54.600 found out not guilty. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.760 Yeah. Interesting, he killed both his sisters and tried to 0:03:57.800 --> 0:04:00.000 kill his parents. But that's a long story for another time. 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:04.520 But the other two they probably did it, but the 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:05.880 evidence wasn't all that great. 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:09.240 But so most of the time, if specifically a murder 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.840 gets to a courtroom, they did it. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.320 The chances are pretty good. I mean, they've gone through 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.680 the charging, the screening before the charging, they've gone through 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:22.960 a grand jury or a preliminary hearing, They've gone through 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:26.160 all the pre trial motions. By that time, it's been 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.720 reviewed quite a few times. And so it may not 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:32.880 be a murder. It may not be a first degree murder, 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:34.719 it may be a second, it may be a manslaughter. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.800 But they pretty sure that they killed somebody. 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:40.599 And I suppose because of limited resources and time, you know, money, 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:43.880 all that you wouldn't pursue it unless you're pretty sure 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:45.880 they were guilty. 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:47.159 On the prosecution. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:50.240 Sign in Alameda County, where I worked, we had used 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.080 to have not anymore. They had one of the best 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.839 DA's offices in the country, and so there was a 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.240 lot of checks and balances, and nobody really went to 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.000 trial unless they were pretty sure they had the right person, 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.960 although I will say I did one trial. After about 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:04.919 three witnesses, the DA came in and said, you know, 0:05:05.520 --> 0:05:07.120 I think we got this one wrong. We're going to 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:07.880 dismiss the case. 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:08.279 Wow. 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.400 So you weren't in the era or place of these 0:05:12.520 --> 0:05:15.159 das who don't want to charge anybody with anything to 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:17.560 try to make some sort of point about society. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.200 No, that's one of the other reasons I'm glad I'm out, 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:23.000 because I'd be getting in trouble all the time. 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:24.840 So how would you have handled that as a judge 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.720 or would you have had any role in it whatsoever? 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:28.880 If if your local, if you got a gascon or 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.800 whoever that just doesn't want to prosecute crime. 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:34.839 Well, I mean, eventually what happens. I have a friend 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.840 of mine who's still sitting on the bench, and he's 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.400 been challenged by the DA because he wouldn't go along 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.039 with all of her issues. Or all the things she 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.799 was trying to do. He kept denying motions to strike 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.760 priors or strike that, so they finally filed a blanket challenge. 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.520 So he went from criminal into probate. 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:59.360 Oh so that's interesting. Back to the violent crime. So 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.240 you've had a lot of violent criminals come before you do. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:07.239 They tend to regret what they did at the point 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.719 that they're in a courtroom. And I don't mean like 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.960 regret it because they got caught, but if they could 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.440 go back, they wish they hadn't done it. 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.080 Very few, very few. I mean, I'm sure some of 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:23.120 them deep inside might have felt that way, but it's 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.240 kind of a sign of weakness if they do that. 0:06:26.880 --> 0:06:29.960 I most of them kind of maintained the aura of 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.360 I'm a criminal and I didn't do it, but you're 0:06:33.360 --> 0:06:34.760 gonna and if I did do it, you got to 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.240 prove it. But I'm not going to say I did 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:38.560 it and I'm sorry. Once in a while it's sentencing, 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.120 they will address the family of the victim and say 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.200 I'm sorry, But not up until that point. 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.119 You said, these people live in a world where life 0:06:49.160 --> 0:06:53.159 is cheap. Expound on that a little bit. They just, 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:57.880 for some reason because of their youth or environment. They 0:06:57.960 --> 0:06:59.839 just don't get what. 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.240 I don't think they think that they're going to live 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.240 that long because they see a lot of their peers 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:09.920 get shot or get killed, and so it's kind of 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.360 like a live why you can go fast and go 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:15.600 hard because you're not going to be here that long. 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.080 And so you look at me, funny while I'm standing 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.400 on the street corner and I come back and I 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:23.800 shoot you, because that's the kind of a unwritten rule 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.720 of the streets. You don't disrespect somebody without having consequences. 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.440 And people get shot over the dumbest things. Or I'll 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.920 shoot at you and I'll hit a twelve year old 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.280 girl across the street because I miss, But that's collateral damage, 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:38.240 and I really don't think about it. I just move on. 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.240 And that was just kind of the mindset that we 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:41.000 saw a lot of. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.840 Did you have people come into your courtroom with as 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.480 flimsy a reason for killing somebody as you just described. 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:50.600 Oh sure, oh yeah, lots of times. 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:51.760 Okay, give me some examples. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:53.480 Well, we had the gun well I used to call 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:55.320 it the gunfight at the OK Corral. It was the 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:59.520 gunfight at ninety eight. The needs in Oakland, and one 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.680 gang got disrespected by another game because somebody disrespected the 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.920 guy's car. He said that car looks like this and 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.400 looks like that, and it was his pride and joy. 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:13.640 So one group of kids is in the liquor store 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.400 buying liquor, and this other group rolls up and opens 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:21.000 fire with semiautomatic weapons and kills three people. The other 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.400 gang he finally gets their guns out and shoots back, 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.400 and one of them misses, and the bullet goes across 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.840 the street and hits a guy getting gas and lodges 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:30.520 in his neck and he has a stroke and he 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:35.080 loses his ability to talk. And all the people that 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.599 we did the trial for, they had no remorse whatsoever. 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:42.240 A matter of fact, I had to keep pulling this 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:46.040 one kid out because he kept disrespecting and saying rude 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:48.800 things to the one of the victims mothers who came 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:49.720 to address the court. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:51.720 Oh my god, and how old were these people. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.120 Unfortunately, when he did it, he was seventeen, which is 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.240 entitled him to have another re sentencing under the new 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:03.400 laws in California. I sentenced him sixty five years to 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.920 life or something like that, but that he was seventeen 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:07.920 when he did the crime, so he was entitled to 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.439 be re sentenced. I don't know what he got again, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:11.400 but do. 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.079 You keep track of people after you sentenced him? 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:18.360 The only I kept track of two people, and they 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.480 weren't even murder cases. They were multiple sexual assault cases. 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:27.440 And one one guy was a retired law enforcement officer 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:32.600 who continually raped his stepdaughter and he came up for parole, 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:34.959 and I was asked to write a letter, and I'd 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:38.760 never done it before, but he actually raped his step son, 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.560 who kind of gave him. He gave himself up to 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.160 protect his step daughter, and the son ended up killing himself. 0:09:45.200 --> 0:09:47.720 So I wrote a letter saying he should I sentenced 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:49.600 him to ninety nine years, but he's now in his 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:53.319 sixty so he's eligible for elder parole or whatever they 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.760 call it. And I wrote a letter saying I sentenced 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:59.360 him for that long ever getting out and he didn't 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.920 know his steps killed himself. So once he found that out, 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.080 he withdrew his request for a parole and he's still 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:04.440 in there. 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.680 So I've always believed that on a lot of the 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:10.560 sexual stuff, their brains don't work right. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:12.760 They were, they were, they were, They're born in such 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:13.360 a way or whatever. 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.400 Their brains don't work right as opposed to the other 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.040 thing you were talking about, the you know, you grew 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:20.240 up in an environment where you run with gangs in 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.040 the more environmental than your brain doesn't work well. 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:27.200 The sexual the in home sexual predators like this guy, 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:32.000 Ron Roy Chass, I still remember his name. He's probably 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.240 not wired right. But some of them are just mean, 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.840 vicious people that it's you know, rape is not about sex, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.880 it's about violence and about control, and so some of 0:10:40.880 --> 0:10:43.960 these people are just violent sexual predators who just like 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:46.480 to inflict that kind of pain on people. 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:51.240 How how do you and this is tough for cops 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:55.880 and prosecutors and people work in prisons, all kinds of 0:10:55.880 --> 0:11:01.240 different people, how do you keep your sense of humanity 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:03.920 in that most of us are good and most of 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.600 us don't do that When you're encountering these people all 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:07.840 the time, it's got to wear on you. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.920 Yeah. Well, I was lucky enough to have Patty and 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.320 Katie and come home and be able to you know, 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.079 coach Katie and sports and hang out with her and 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.880 my wife, and you just kind of leave it at work. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.000 And I don't think I tried real hard not to 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.520 bring any of that stuff home, even when it was 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:27.000 a high publicity stuff, when we didn't talk about it, 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.599 we didn't watch it on the news or read the newspapers. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:31.760 You just try to when you leave the office, you 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.160 just try to leave it there because it will wear 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:35.800 on you. I mean, I had a couple of cases 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.480 that to this day I still don't like to talk 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:41.360 about them. But most of the time you're able to 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:42.000 leave it at work. 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:43.520 Wow, that's interesting. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:47.320 We're talking to Katie's dad, who is a was a 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:48.880 judge for a very long time, is retired. 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:50.800 Now what do you do? Mostly you fish your hunt? Yeah, 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:52.120 what do you What do you do? 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:57.040 I work out, I play guitar, trying to get back 0:11:57.080 --> 0:12:01.079 into golf, which will probably shorten my lifespan exactly. We 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:04.800 still have a boat that we're keeping Crapifornia that we 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.439 go out and stay on for a while. 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:11.200 To that story, we got to talk about you getting 0:12:11.320 --> 0:12:14.560 robbed in your old hometown and what that was like, 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.600 because this is just a story about the lawlessness of 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.240 some areas of the country, among other things. All the way, 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:26.719 stay here. Why are we playing this song? One of 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:34.160 the most popular karaoke songs. Ever, it's very popular among 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:39.840 the gay crowd, very popular among women divorcing their husbands. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.720 Gloria Gaynor has died at the age of something or other. 0:12:44.120 --> 0:12:51.360 She will long be remembered to this tune. Somebody will 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.600 be singing this at karaoke tonight with tears in their 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:57.400 eyes as Gloria Gaynor has passed. Maybe we'll do our 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:01.760 loving tribute next half hour. For now, we're talking with 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:05.600 the judge we'd known as Katie's dad around here, Judge Goodman, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:09.199 Judge Larry, who's been telling us about being a judge 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:14.439 for over three decades in northern California and just crime 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.959 and punishment in general and stuff like that. But interesting, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.480 So you moved to Idaho to escape in California or 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:21.120 your whole life. 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.960 We moved to California in nineteen fifty five, and except 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:27.240 for going away for college and law school, I lived 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.040 in Castro Valley that whole time. 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:32.200 And like so many people, you fled California because it 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:38.040 sucks a lot of it, the taxes, the crime, the homelessness, 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:39.920 all that is really hard to put up with, depending 0:13:39.960 --> 0:13:44.360 on the area that you live in. And you left also, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.520 so you're in Idaho. Now you came back the other day. 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:47.440 Tell us what happened. 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:51.959 Well, we keep our boat in Alameda because one thing 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:54.200 we do miss is the ocean and stuff like that. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.320 So we were having some people to go out on 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.240 the boat for the Blue Angels. So we were on 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.080 our way to the grocery store to get some things. 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.360 We go out to the parking lot and I look, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:06.800 and I said, honey, our tires are gone, and there 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.360 was the Toyota Corolla sitting. They brought their own blocks, 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:12.440 so there was blocks under each of the doors, and 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.800 they left the lug nuts, but all four tires were gone. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:19.560 With the wheels. Yeah, tires was so. 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.480 So you're back in California, which you fled because of 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.720 the crime and the homelessness and the taxes and all 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.920 that sort of stuff. You come back briefly and your 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.040 rental car gets all four wheels stolen off of it. 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.080 Yeah, I'm like a junkie. I had to come back 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:32.040 from my crime fix. 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.880 I guess that is an amazing story and so emblematic 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:39.360 of why you can't hardly ever get a U haul 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:41.760 in California because there are so many people fleeing the 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:43.560 states and the funny part. 0:14:43.440 --> 0:14:45.600 About is the lady that rented us the car, she said, 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.040 now you'd be careful because they'll steal everything. And when 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.480 you go get gas, you keep your eye open because 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.120 they'll break the passenger door window and steal your purse. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.000 I mean, she went through this whole litany of things 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:57.160 that were going to happen, and sure enough, the day 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:58.640 after that happened to us. 0:14:58.840 --> 0:14:59.520 Unbelievable. 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.040 Back to you judging and crime and punishment and what 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.640 you've learned over all the decades of being in the system, 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.000 I've always been I'm a big believer in the US 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.920 justice system, and I've always just I've never been afraid 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.360 of being falsely accused of anything like that because I 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.080 just feel like the justice system generally works. Is that 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.120 your assessment after decades of being involved in it, the 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.360 vast majority of the time we get it right. 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:27.000 I think so absolutely. I mean, like I said, we 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.280 were always a little bit better than a lot of 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.000 places in Alameda County. But yeah, I think for the 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:34.720 most part, it works the way it's supposed to. 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.440 And for places that it doesn't work as well, what 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:40.400 would cause that? 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:47.360 Just an overload of cases. Sometimes things get shuffled through 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.720 that shouldn't get shuffled through. There are places where based 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.280 upon how you look and how you act, sometimes you 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:58.800 get charged. They're built in prejudices in some places. I 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:02.360 taught at the National Judges College and Reno one day 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.320 and the judges from Louisiana, a certain part of Louisiana 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.600 came up and we're kind of making fun of us 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.160 from California about how long it took us to pick 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.400 juris and death penalty cases and everything, and really so 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.640 it's just kind of a different mindset. 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.240 Yeah, I should ask you about that. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.080 California has the death penalty but doesn't actually put anybody 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.280 to death. The leading cause of death on death row 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.120 in California is old age. We taxpayers spend gazillions of 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.600 dollars on this and nobody actually dies. Are you four 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:30.800 or against the death penalty? 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:31.000 Oh? 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.720 I was fo it. I sentenced nine people to death 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.120 I think, and one of them die to liver failure. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:37.640 The rest of them will probably outlive me. 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.600 Well, yeah, that's the problem with it. We're not getting 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.520 it and nobody's dying. So I don't like paying for it. 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.320 I don't mind capital punishment. I'm against it for the 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.040 it's not practical if nobody's dying standpoint. 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.160 Yeah, if we're not going to do it, we shouldn't 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:49.400 have it. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:50.480 Thanks for coming on. 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.280 I just want to ask you some questions about your 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.960 experience as a judge, and whenever a big case hits, 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:57.800 we'll go to you for expertise. As always, I appreciate it. 0:16:57.800 --> 0:17:00.480 Thanks Jack, you bet you. That's Judge Goodman, who happens 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:02.640 to be Katie's dad. So we're gonna play a little 0:17:02.720 --> 0:17:05.479 clip or two of you of Kamala Harris's big interview 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.960 with Brett bhar on Fox yesterday, some of the reaction 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.600 to that, and there is confirmation that Sinwar, the leader 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.359 of Hamas, is dead. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.160 Israel got him. 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:16.720 I wonder what that means for where things stand in 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.400 the midd least A lot more on the way, stay. 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:22.040 Here, Armstrong and Geeddy. 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.400 They're actually just taking a look at the Drudge. 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:30.520 Page, which back in the day I looked at. That 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.439 was like the first thing I looked at every morning 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:37.760 for years, for years. And I don't think anybody's sure 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:41.400 what the following of the falling out was between. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.879 Drudge and Trump. Does anybody know what that was? 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.800 But anyway, Drudge hates Trump, and even though he was 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.760 the go to conservative headlines place for many, many, many years, 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:57.879 Drudge hates Trump. And I don't look at Drudge as 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.880 much anymore. And I'm not even exactly sure. I don't 0:18:00.040 --> 0:18:02.440 remember why I moved away from it. I think there 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.720 were a bunch of things that started to not be. 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:09.480 Accurate any Matt Drudge sold the Drudge Report right a 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:12.240 while ago, and it's I think a point to the 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.480 Auto family or something like that, and they're really big 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:16.480 non trumpers. 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:18.960 So he apparently just didn't care who he sold it to, 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:20.240 or I don't guess. 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:20.640 I don't. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.440 I don't know what the reasoning was there. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.440 The only reason I bring it up is the lead 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:29.000 on Drudge is one direction down, Liam Payne dead at 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:32.679 thirty one, so not not anything about the election, not 0:18:32.760 --> 0:18:36.560 Kamala Harrison interview, not the fact that Sinwar has been 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.200 killed the leader of Hamas by Israel. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:43.120 Their leads to arky, what is the guy. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:45.639 From one Direction dying? Who do they think their audience is? 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:49.400 The average reader of Drudge is like my dad. I mean, 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:53.160 it's got to average Drudge reader's gotta be sixty five. 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:57.960 If not older, which is kind of funny. I don't 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:02.800 you know, not important. I just am so shocked by that. 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:04.239 You know, I'm looking at it right now. 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.359 It is the lead story with like eight links deep 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:09.320 underneath it for reference articles. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:10.520 Unreal. 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.320 Yeah huh, there. 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.680 Are bigger things happening in the world. 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.880 That just a heads up. Any who. 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:23.960 Kamala Harris did an interview with Brett Baer and it 0:19:24.040 --> 0:19:26.880 was we were all on a group text chatting about 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.520 it was kind of fun. Everybody was uncomfortable right off 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.280