WEBVTT - Short Stuff: Safety Coffins

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short stuff. I'm Josh, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck, and Jerry's here too. Dave's here in spirit.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a short stuff that we can begin now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Josh, let me set the stage. It's seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety nine. Founding Father George Washington is on his deathbed.

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<v Speaker 2>He calls over his secretary Tobias Lear and says.

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<v Speaker 3>I am just going have me decently buried, but do

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<v Speaker 3>not let my body be put into the vault in

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<v Speaker 3>less than three days after I'm dead, because you never know.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the last part, But that's basically what he

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<v Speaker 4>was saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so, yeah, and that was a great George Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>especially dying George Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason why he said that is because at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a there was a chance, let's call it

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<v Speaker 1>a non zero chance to get nerdy, yeah, that you

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<v Speaker 1>you might be buried alive accidentally. There's all sorts of

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<v Speaker 1>different conditions and stuff that we understand. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 1>hook somebody up to like a EKG or EEG or

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of g, you'd be able to detect their

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<v Speaker 1>heartbeat that you wouldn't be able to, say, like palpitating

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<v Speaker 1>it with your fingers or like watching somebody to see

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<v Speaker 1>if they're actually breathing. You might not even have a

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<v Speaker 1>decent doctor around at the time, and you may end

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<v Speaker 1>up being buried alive, in which case you are ft. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I wonder when they started checking pulses.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, let's say, eighteen hundred on the dot.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a quick, rare look up, and if we

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<v Speaker 2>trust the AI overview.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, National Institutes of Health.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure they're talking like four thousand plus years they've been

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<v Speaker 2>checking pulses.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wellparently some people were better at it than others,

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<v Speaker 1>because there do seem to be documented accounts of people

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<v Speaker 1>who are found like entombed who had like scratch marks

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<v Speaker 1>on their coffin, or they were actually out of their

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<v Speaker 1>coffin in a tomb that seemed to have been buried alive,

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<v Speaker 1>came to and then actually did die.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like they said, I feel betja and they got

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<v Speaker 2>up and so you know, let's say it didn't happen

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<v Speaker 2>that much, because it probably didn't happen enough to the

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<v Speaker 2>level of which people were scared of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, like a plane crash, Yeah, it seems.

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<v Speaker 2>To be an outsized fear back then of being buried alive.

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<v Speaker 2>That is an actual phobia. It's called taphaphobia. T a

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<v Speaker 2>p h e is Greek for burial. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because where we're going with all this, and we may

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<v Speaker 2>have mentioned this briefly in our Coffins episode, I know

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<v Speaker 2>we have, we had to it, but this is a

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<v Speaker 2>deeper dive into what was known as a security coffin

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<v Speaker 2>or a safety coffin, which was you know, for a

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<v Speaker 2>while there a lot of people got patents to build

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<v Speaker 2>coffins that had all these little kind of ingenious ways

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<v Speaker 2>to either get you out of there or alert people

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<v Speaker 2>above ground that hey, I'm feeling better.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, come get me, I got some life left in me, right.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>These patents date back to the seventeen nineties. I think

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<v Speaker 1>in Central Europe at least. There's a guy in this

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<v Speaker 1>House Stuff Works article that they interviewed named Adam Bisno,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a historian at the US Patent and Trademark Office,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he would know about patents, even ones in

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<v Speaker 1>Central Europe from the eighteenth century and at this time.

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<v Speaker 1>The argument that's made for the kind of sudden appearance

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<v Speaker 1>for them is that this coincides with the popularity of romanticism,

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<v Speaker 1>which kind of came as a backlash to the rationalism

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<v Speaker 1>of enlightenment. The Enlightenment and romanticism is like, no, there's

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<v Speaker 1>stuff beyond this life that we can't see. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>beauty in nature, there's like all of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't just think your way out of or think

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<v Speaker 1>you're like things that you can't see that actually do exist,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's probably some sort of afterlife, and who knows

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<v Speaker 1>whether the people are fully gone. This eventually led to

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<v Speaker 1>the rise of mediums and spiritualism, and there was just

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of zeitgeist that the dead could conceivably still

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<v Speaker 1>be in some sort of contact or communication, which doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>directly go to taphophobia, but if you're already thinking, like

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be buried alive, this would probably

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<v Speaker 1>goose you into potentially buying a safety coffin.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah for sure. I Mean.

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<v Speaker 2>The sort of a popular idea at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>that there the veil is very thin between life and death. Ah, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and like how thin could it be? Like maybe so

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<v Speaker 2>thin where you bury me by accident?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like poor Bill Pullman and Serpent in the Rainbow.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, or.

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<v Speaker 2>Keefer Sutherland's wife in that movie, which was a remake

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<v Speaker 2>of a foreign film.

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<v Speaker 1>So good, both of them were. It was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those rare films where the American adaptation was just as

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<v Speaker 1>good as the European original. Both of them are worth seeing.

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<v Speaker 4>What were those calls? Yeah vanishing?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, so yeah. And then also that poor guy

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<v Speaker 1>who almost got buried in the Twilight Zone, but he

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<v Speaker 1>started crying because he was so sad and scared, and

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<v Speaker 1>some nurse, one of the nurses noticed his tear was like, doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>he's still alive right before. I think they did an

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<v Speaker 1>autopsy on him.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, or like Uma Thurman and kill Bill.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great one too, sure, I think Also, Barnabas Collins,

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<v Speaker 1>you can make a case for in Dark Shadows, the

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<v Speaker 1>TV show, not the terrible, terrible, terrible movie.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't see that.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw twenty minutes of it. I was like, oh, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>like these people should be individually shamed for this.

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<v Speaker 4>It was Tim Burton, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, So we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>take a break and call Tim Burton, tell him to

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<v Speaker 2>think about what he's done, and we'll be right back

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<v Speaker 2>with safety Coffins soffy jaws. All right, So more than

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred security coffin patents were granted in the United

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<v Speaker 2>States alone in the nineteenth century, and they got a

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<v Speaker 2>little wacky, like each one had its own sort of

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<v Speaker 2>spin on the best way to either get someone out

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<v Speaker 2>or to alert people above ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One way was like you could just do something

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<v Speaker 1>as simple as a bell to basically and put the

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<v Speaker 1>cord in the person's hand and they could just like

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<v Speaker 1>pull the bell. It's pretty simple and straightforward. There are

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<v Speaker 1>others that had, like I guess they would put a

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<v Speaker 1>tube in that led and connected to the coffin and

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<v Speaker 1>then buried the person buried around that stuff, so if

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<v Speaker 1>the person came to they could actually crawl use the

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<v Speaker 1>ladder to crawl out of their own grave. Which talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a story to tell at parties.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like, you guys aren't gonna believe this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, are you the guy who crumb climbed out of

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<v Speaker 1>his crave?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know that starts at the dinner party

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<v Speaker 2>when anyone's like, I've been really lucky. I haven't lost

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of close friends. Like has anyone ever lost

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<v Speaker 2>like close friends and had to like preside over their

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<v Speaker 2>funeral and the guy just puts his napkin.

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<v Speaker 4>In his lap.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a life preserving coffin, I believe, is what the

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<v Speaker 2>patent file was in eighteen forty three from Christian Eisenbront

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<v Speaker 2>of Baltimore, Maryland. And this had a spring loaded lid

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<v Speaker 2>where if you the quote was, the slightest motion of

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<v Speaker 2>either the head or the hand would spring this thing up.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, that's no.

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<v Speaker 2>Good if you're buried under six feet of dirt. So

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<v Speaker 2>his suggestion is like, hey, if this coffin only works

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<v Speaker 2>if you're in a tomb like an above ground vault,

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<v Speaker 2>and you got to leave a key on the inside

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<v Speaker 2>of that thing. So if you pop out of the

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<v Speaker 2>coffin and you're still locked in the tomb, that's no

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<v Speaker 2>good either.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't you see a loved one like sitting up in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of the night like I forgot to leave

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<v Speaker 1>the key. Yeah, there's another problem with that too, if

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<v Speaker 1>this thing sprung open at the slightest movement of the

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<v Speaker 1>of the person. Corpses move and shift around during decomposition,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure that that has accounted. Like I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's accounts of corpses flipping over and being found face down.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that that accounts for a lot of the

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<v Speaker 1>stories of people being found and suspected to have been

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<v Speaker 1>buried alive. But I don't think corpses like leave claw

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<v Speaker 1>marks on there their coffins, So there seemed to be

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<v Speaker 1>some that are legit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Edgar Allan Poe didn't help things much when in eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>forty four he wrote a short story called The Premature Burial,

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<v Speaker 2>where in it he says, to be buried alive is

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<v Speaker 2>beyond question the most terrific of those these extremes, which

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<v Speaker 2>has ever fallen to the lot of mere mortality that

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<v Speaker 2>it has frequently, very frequently, so fallen will scarcely be

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<v Speaker 2>denied by those who think. And then he talks about

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<v Speaker 2>the boundaries between life and death being shadowy and vague,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of playing into that he was writing of the times,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because that's like we talked about, that's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of how people thought of things. So after that, I

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<v Speaker 2>think there were even more people coming out with these things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There was a guy named Franz Vester who in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, I guess it's where he was from. He

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<v Speaker 1>had an improved burial case and you could essentially climb

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<v Speaker 1>out of it. I think this was the one that

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<v Speaker 1>had the tube with the ladder. Yeah, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>were two weak you could pull on a bell. So

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<v Speaker 1>this was like, you know, I had a fail safe.

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<v Speaker 1>And he gave demonstrations of his coffin where he would

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<v Speaker 1>be buried under like four feet of dirt and would

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<v Speaker 1>make his way out of the coffin back above ground.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's not the only one. It seems like the

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<v Speaker 2>big showman because this was sort of around the snake

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<v Speaker 2>oil time where you would put on a big show

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<v Speaker 2>to try and talk people into buying your thing. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the nineteenth century there was a guy, Count

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<v Speaker 2>de Michele de Carnice Carniki, such a great name. He

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<v Speaker 2>dubbed himself as the Chamberlain to the Tsar of Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the high ranking manager of a royal household.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh okay. So he was like, yeah, like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Butler essentially, but he was in charge of everybody, like

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<v Speaker 1>the head butler, yeah, I guess sure, or the chamberlain.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, hey, I'm not trying to degrade him. Because

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<v Speaker 2>he was quite the showman. He would travel through the

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<v Speaker 2>Europe and the United States trying to sell his unit

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<v Speaker 2>called the Carnice. And there was an article from the

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago Tribune in eighteen ninety nine that they would read

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<v Speaker 2>before his big show where at the Academy of Medicine

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<v Speaker 2>in New York City, doctor Henry J.

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<v Speaker 4>How would you pronounce that one?

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<v Speaker 2>Gregus Gerragus where he startled his fellow members with the

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<v Speaker 2>assertion that one of every two hundred people buried in

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<v Speaker 2>the US was actually in a lethargic state and is

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<v Speaker 2>buried alive. So very dubious numbers, obviously, but he would

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<v Speaker 2>use that as prelude to take the stage and do

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<v Speaker 2>his own demonstration where he would bury somebody alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and La Carnice had an own had like a bell. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>this is pretty low hanging fruit, and it makes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sense. But he also put in a tube

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<v Speaker 1>that you could breathe through. You could also talk through it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, what's what's been going on in the

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<v Speaker 1>last few days? Now you wait for help? And he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He wasn't himself buried alive like Frank Franz Vestor. He

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<v Speaker 1>would get volunteers to do it. And there's a guy

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<v Speaker 1>named Faropo Lorenzo, who is Italian, believe it or not,

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<v Speaker 1>and he volunteered to be buried alive in this this

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<v Speaker 1>La Carnice casket and he stayed there for nine days

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<v Speaker 1>back in eighteen ninety eight, which is currently still the

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<v Speaker 1>record for being buried alive.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at one point on day like seven, he

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<v Speaker 2>spoke through the tube and he was like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>put my mouth around the tube now and just drop

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of tic.

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<v Speaker 1>TACs, right, Yeah. And then the next day he shouted,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a poop through the through the tube. Nine days, chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>let's think about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, that's a long time and that seems verified.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. There's one other thing too that we can't mentioned.

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<v Speaker 1>We've definitely mentioned him before, but I find it so fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Clark Smith, who's grave in New Haven, Vermont, not Connecticut,

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<v Speaker 1>back in I think eighteen ninety three, was fitted out

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<v Speaker 1>with a window that looked down the six feet to

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<v Speaker 1>his face. Oh that was exposed so that passer's bike

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<v Speaker 1>can't check on him to make sure that he wasn't alive.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's still there today, except you just can't see

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<v Speaker 1>very far. Because the windows kind of well, it's more

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<v Speaker 1>than one hundred years old.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>You got anything else?

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<v Speaker 4>Man, I got nothing else?

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<v Speaker 1>And say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I guess short stuff is out.

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