1 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversations. It's the show that she 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: has the secrets of success experience firsthand by marketing and 3 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Brandon expert Rashan McDonald. I will know he's giving me 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: advice to many occasions. In incase you didn't notice, I'm 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: not broke, you know, he'll be interviewing celebrity CEOs, entrepreneurs 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: and industry decision makers. It's what he likes to do, 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: it's what he likes to share. Now it's time to 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: hear from my man, Rashan McDonald. Money Making Conversations. Here 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: we go. Welcome to money Making Conversation. I am your host, 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. I recognized that we all have different definitions 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: of success. For some insercisable paycheck. Mine is helping people 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: wake up and inspiring them to accomplish their goals and 13 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: live their very best life. These are my passion and 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do for you. That's why I 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: asked you to listen to Money Making Conversations. That's why 16 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,479 Speaker 1: I invite the people on the show to drop negative 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: there to help you in your life. When you when 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: you're employed by someone on Entrepreneur or just looking to 19 00:00:57,000 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: find an outlet to be able to define what your 20 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: dream can be for you. I want you to stop 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: tripping over small challenges and prepare to rise above the 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: bigger obstacles that life will present to you. My next guest, 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: Reverndewe Shopton, there is an internationally renowned civil rights leader, 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: founder and president of the National Action National Action Network. 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: National Action Network is one of the leading civil rights 26 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: organizations in the nation, with one hundred and six chapters nationwide. Reverndewe. 27 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: Shopton hosts a daily radio show, Keeping It Real with 28 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: Reverndee Shopping, and the national cable television show titled Politics Nation. 29 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: He does it combined seventeen hours of television and radio 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: media every week, and this new book, Rise Up, which 31 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about on the show. Confronting a Country at 32 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: the Crossroads, The Reverndewe Shopton draws on his decades of 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: unique experience as a civil rights leader, a politician, and 34 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: a radio and television the radio host to encourage voters 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: to stand up for what they believe and an act 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: change in their country. Please working the money making conversation, 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: Reverend Al Shopton, how you doing, my friend? Before we 38 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: before we got on the air. I was real. I 39 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: read the book the last couple I try to read 40 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: quote a book. It's close to my interview, so everything 41 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: stays fresh rep now shopping I started yesterday. I wrapped 42 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: it up. I got up at four o'clock this morning, 43 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: wrapped it up this morning. Uh. The book was so 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: compelling because it felt like because the things you were 45 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: talking about were just like in the news almost yesterday 46 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: and here am I reading the book today. So when 47 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: did you wrap? When did you stop writing the book 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: and turn it over to the publisher to make it 49 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: such a relevant and current event book. Well, what happened 50 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: is uh, in early spring I started writing, and I 51 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: said that I wanted to write a book because I 52 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: felt that the countries at the crossroads. Uh, in many 53 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,360 Speaker 1: of the things that we have dealt with for the 54 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: last half a century as a country, fight around black 55 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: lives and and our civil rights, African Americans to fight 56 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,799 Speaker 1: around gen D quality for women, to fight around l 57 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: g b t Q rights, to Friday around healthcare. And 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: it was a stark contrast between the way the past 59 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: administration of Barack Obama all the way back to the 60 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 1: days of Dr King when I was just a kid 61 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: was going one way and now the way this president 62 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: administration has gone in those areas. And then the pandemic hit. 63 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: So I staid in the purpose of wait a minute, 64 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: let me put the pandemic, and not knowing it would 65 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: last as long as it did, because as you know, 66 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: in early March when it started really hitting, we thought 67 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: it would be over by Eastern and Eastern turned into 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: the fourth of July. So I kept adding and keV 69 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: adding and updating until uh, George Floyd happened, and I 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: really had to delay it because I ended up in 71 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: the middle of all of that, And then I finally said, 72 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 1: right before we did the big march on Washington August 73 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: that that was it. I was gonna have to close 74 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: it because it looks like things we're not gonna called down. 75 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: So I wrote all the way to the late August. 76 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: You know when I look at things and you know 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: I've alone your long time. You know, my relationship with 78 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: Steve Harman. I still have a positive relationship with Steve 79 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: uh and trying to define who my what my voice is, 80 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: and listening to your voice and I see what it 81 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: really is. Because I want to call out some information 82 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: about the Black lives Matter movement, which is about police 83 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: accountability reform. But now I guess in eighty four, which 84 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: you marched on, shot four black men on the subway, 85 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: this is about you discussed this in your book. He 86 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: was ultimately cleared of attempted murder and served less than 87 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: a year in jail for illegal firearms. That's what they're 88 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 1: charging for today. But now I guess it's still living 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: in New York City. Okay. Then you had the Howard 90 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: Beach incident in the eighteen eighty six what you're discussing 91 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: your book, when Michael Griffin was struck and killed by 92 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: passion motor after being troy chased by white mall. Then 93 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: in eighteen eighty nine the Vincent Hurst incident, another white 94 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: mall and sixteen year old Yustep Hawkins was shot and 95 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: killed Sean Bell fifty bullocks. Now fast forward to in 96 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: his back, and now fast forward to Air Ghana and 97 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: George Floyd, and I say, I have to ask you 98 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: about the Black Lives mar The movement because you've been 99 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: doing this for a long time and people kind of 100 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 1: act like this movement just started because it's been publicized 101 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: so much in the media and seen, you know, the 102 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: Trump administration, led by Rudy Giuliani, tried to call it 103 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: a terrorist group, an organization. I made accusation. It was that. 104 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: Tell us, from your your standpoint, what is the Black 105 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement? I think it is a movement that 106 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: is really calling on accountability of police. I don't think 107 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: it's even an anti police movement. It's an anti bad 108 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: police movement. And I think it has been effective and 109 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: it has grown. UH. You know when tray Blon Martin 110 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 1: was killed UH in UH two thousand and twelves and 111 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: Lamford's flada UH and ironically President Trump is kicking off 112 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: his you know, coming out of COVID UH with his 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: first rally in Stanford, Florida, and UH in the same 114 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: exact location. UH when they happened, They wouldn't even arrest 115 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: George Zimmerman, who shot and killed Treyvon and his parents. 116 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: And attorney Ben Crump, who has worked with UH media 117 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: National Action Network for on the other cases, came to me. 118 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,520 Speaker 1: I had not even heard of Treyvon, and Attorney Crupp said, 119 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: that's why we came to you. Trayvon had already been 120 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: funeralized and buried for about two weeks. They said we 121 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: want you to help make this a national issue. So 122 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: I got on it and I said, well, let's have 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 1: a rally right there in Sanford, and UH we called 124 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: some of our people chapters around Florida, but then we 125 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,559 Speaker 1: also called out national radio people. One of the people 126 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: that UH called and people the listeners need to know, 127 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: was you got Steven. I mean, let's let's not act 128 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: like a lot of these cases. You didn't get the 129 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: first call, and you say, Steve, we better get on this. 130 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: And then you started with your own media platform. You 131 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: were my link because you know Steve is all over 132 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the place as you were, but you would call me 133 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: right back. But he said wherever wouldn't call me if 134 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: it wasn't important, and h we beat the drums and 135 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: we put ten thousand people in in Sandford. And it 136 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: happened to be when I was getting ready to get 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: on the plane hit the Orlando that day because I 138 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: flew the Atlanta to drive to Sanford. I got to work, 139 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: my mother died, who had been to sick and I 140 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: went anyway because I felt my mother would have wanted 141 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: me to do that, and I did, and we got 142 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: enough people to where they felt the pressure. They arrested 143 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: Zimmerman as he went on a few months later went 144 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: on to trial. As you know, he was acquitted. That night, 145 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: three young ladies sat out and wrote the hashtag lives matter, 146 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: and uh it blew up and became a theme, and 147 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: it went through a lot of the protests around Trayvon 148 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: all the way in Eric Gardner and Michael Brown in 149 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: uh in Ferguson, Missouri, and then a kind of law 150 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: for a minute, and then it picked back up when 151 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: we started shooting a rash of other cases. So to 152 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: say that they are terrorists, you know, these were three 153 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: brilliant sisters that captured a phrase that captured exactly how 154 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: we all felt that we didn't matter. You can shoot 155 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: a kid with a make believe security guard, he wasn't 156 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: even that and quit him. We matter, And it wasn't 157 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: saying others didn't matter. It was saying that you act 158 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: like we don't matter, and we're affirming that we do. 159 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: You get in life which you affirm yourself to be. 160 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: And I think that that movement grew. They formed some 161 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter organizations. They worked along in many cases 162 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: with other groups. In some cases they didn't. The three 163 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: sisters worked very closely with us in national Actually they're 164 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: working other groups. And there's always been like that, as 165 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: you know, And back in the days when you and 166 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: our kids and they had then a CP you had 167 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: Dr King, you had uh Care, But then you also 168 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: had Malcolm X and you also had the students sitting 169 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: there that King in, sitting on a lunch cot or 170 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: ride a bus. So I think a lot of the 171 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: media are lazy and don't deal with the fact that 172 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: we're not looking at anything different. There are different ways 173 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: that people expressed their outrage, but all of us are 174 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: trying to fight for change. Black Lives Matter is not terrorists. 175 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: They're trying to stop the terrorism. When police can shoot 176 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: a man in his back running away from them, as 177 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: the case in Kenosha, uh and and when police can 178 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: shoot a man at Wendy's that is intoxicated, uh and 179 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: and and he's running away, that's terrorism. So how do 180 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: they call that terrorism? And and and not and call 181 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: those that are peacefully protested, many of them white Black 182 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,079 Speaker 1: Lives Matter? How does that become terrorists? We know then 183 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: they don't speaking of that, because that's that's the part 184 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: that really changed for me, was the white participation in 185 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: the protests because of the fact that you know, we 186 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: all know there was a scheme out there to make 187 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: it a black violent crime situation. Don't trust black people. 188 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna tear up your neighborhoods and create white fear. 189 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: But in this particular movement, after the George Floyd, white 190 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: people were watching and not just a few white people 191 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: were watching. I watched TV and I just see white 192 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,439 Speaker 1: people just walked up my screen on television, then a 193 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: black person, then more white people deal a black person. 194 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: What do you why do you feel that has been 195 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: a tremendous up swell and white people being angry, being 196 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: an or being upset because we know it's white people important. 197 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: We know it's white people in Seattle. There's not black 198 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: people up there. That's right, that's right. Well, let me 199 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: say this. I think what happened was because the George 200 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: Floyd video came out during the pandemic. Everyone was shut 201 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: down and couldn't go out. There was no distractions. As 202 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: she turned on the TV, people were watching the news 203 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: trying to get the update on the pandemic. When will 204 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: this break? When can I go out? When can I 205 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: go to work? And then watching the news they had 206 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: no distractions because she couldn't watch the ball game because 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: there was no ball games. There's no baseball, no basketball, 208 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: nor anything. And I think this is the first time 209 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: that the whole country was locked into having to watch 210 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: this video over and over again on the news, and 211 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: a lot of whites just said this is outrageous and exploded. 212 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: So many of the whites that didn't see the video 213 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: tape on Ari Gando when he died from a trokell 214 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: from a New York City policeman, they saw what happened 215 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: to uh, George Floyd. And then when they when you 216 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: emphasize to them that this man, the policeman had his 217 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: knee on his neck eight minutes and forty one seconds, 218 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: they would say, wait a minute, that's just beyond the pale. 219 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: Which is why when I did the unergy in Minneapolis 220 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: or for George Floyd's family, I asked everybody to stand up, 221 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: and people all over that were watching, even all over 222 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: the country, people stood up. I got all kinds of 223 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: tweet says, I really didn't get it till you told 224 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: me to stand up, because after three minutes I was tired. 225 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: How do you have that kind of vigor and rage? 226 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: To hold your knee on somebody's neck that's pulsating and 227 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: begging for their life unless you have a whole lot 228 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 1: of venom in you. And I think it was the 229 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: graphic of eight minutes and forty one second and the 230 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: fact that everybody saw it that ignited a lot of whites. 231 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: I went to matches where there were more white stin 232 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: blacks right then, and I think that that's what happened. 233 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 1: And I think that's a good thing. So they can't 234 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: pigeonhold it. He's just angry blacks. It's angry Americans saying 235 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: that we have to do something about bad cops. And 236 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: good cops are to be wanting to see something bad 237 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: about bad cops because it makes them look bad. It 238 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: really does. I'm talking to Reverend Shopping his new book 239 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: Rise Up, Confronting the Country at the Crossroads Wherever. Now. 240 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm just reggorr book and it's a great reader. I'm 241 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: gonna just call out some really great line liners and 242 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: moments in the book that that I want you to 243 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: respond to. One of my favorite lines in the book 244 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: is if if don kid was born white, he will 245 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: be Trump. Yeah, DoD Kids, who you and I know 246 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: is a great promoter. That's what he is. He doesn't 247 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: profess to me a political leader, consensus leader. He promotes, 248 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: he sells his promotion. That's who Don Ken don don 249 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is the same. He's a promoter. The man 250 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: UH does not have a political ideology, does not have 251 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: a real philosophy. His thing is he promotes what works. 252 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: And racism worked for him. Birtherism is how he started 253 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: his political career, saying the president of the United States 254 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: was not really one of us. And when he saw 255 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 1: that work, he therefore leading and used that. And they's 256 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: been using racial language and and and racial leadings ever since. 257 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: And I told him in our last UH meeting that 258 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: because he's saying, why are you calling me a racist? 259 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Because if you're comfortable with racism, you've got to have 260 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: racism in you, because there's things that you and I 261 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: would just not be comfortable if I don't care how 262 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: much he was working for us. And that's where I 263 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: made that assercition. He's a promoter. He's not a thinker, 264 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: he's not a doer. He's a promoter, and he uses 265 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: whatever works. You know, it's really absolutely the truth, all right, 266 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: I learned, you know, like I said, I was called 267 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: off first of all, called off guard when he one. 268 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: I voted against him, but I still was called off 269 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: guard when the one. And then when you look at 270 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: his game plan, he is a like you said in 271 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: your book, he's a he's a uh, he's a guy 272 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: theorist about comparracity, conspiracy theorists. You know, he sits around 273 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: when I when I read last week where he fought, 274 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: he he he tweeted forty times, forty times in a period. 275 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, who does that? You do social media? 276 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: Not do social media? Can we casual social media? It's tiring. 277 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I'm just stilling about. It's tiring to post, it's tiring 278 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: to come up with ideas to say in social media. 279 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: To do it for forty times right now, that's really 280 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: really ridiculous, And it suggests you if he's supposed to 281 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: be the head of the free world, how do you 282 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: even have time to do that forty times? But that's 283 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: who he is, that's where his focus is. That's where 284 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: his priority is to promo old and he uses social 285 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: media to do it, and he uses television to do it. 286 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: And as he said, I was surprised when he won. 287 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: But the way he was able to manipulate the media. 288 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: He was rolling over in the bed calling TV shows 289 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 1: and they put them on the air, and he he 290 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: got tons of free media, like he's doing with Fox 291 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: News now right now. You don't even have to come 292 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: in the studio. They don't have to set up the zoom. 293 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,000 Speaker 1: He just talks and they let him go. And that's 294 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: a promoter, but it's dangerous for the future of the country. 295 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: You have to ask yourself when I say he has 296 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: no philosophy, and and you reiterated that your shows about 297 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: how people can really be entrepreneurs or make their ends 298 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: meet whatever level they want in terms of money, what 299 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: is his economic policy. I do not know a black 300 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: businessman in New York that ever got a major contract 301 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: from the Trump organization. So when he says the blacks, uh, 302 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: he worked with me. The only record we have of 303 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: him as a businessman. I don't know a big black 304 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 1: firm or small one they could say I was able 305 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: to expand my business and get a major contract through 306 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It takes effort to get in New York, 307 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: as you know, and do business and never do business 308 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: with blacks or Latinos. It takes effort effort because we 309 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: wanted were there's too many of us. First of all, 310 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: especially when you go to the boroughs. It's if we 311 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: just populate. And I've always said that the five boroughs 312 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: and each one of the five boroughs have more Black 313 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 1: people than most major cities in the United States. So 314 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: trying avard the black person, and then when you include 315 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: the latinos, it's ridiculous when you say you can't do business. 316 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: It was just like, you know, the CEO of Wells Fargo, 317 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: so he can't five qualify black people to work for him. 318 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: When people can make these statements, they make these statements 319 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: because guess what, they don't want to associate themselves or 320 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,760 Speaker 1: accept the fact that we compete. And when I look 321 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: at you and I've been blessed to you know no, no, uh, 322 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson, I know you for long time being associated 323 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: with we've sat down a very intimate situation and trying 324 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: to motivate black people with information. And that's what you've 325 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: all been about me with information. That's why I've always 326 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: returned your phone call so quickly because he called him 327 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 1: me he needs something and they need something. I gotta 328 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:15,960 Speaker 1: be there to assist. Now I had the start of 329 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,479 Speaker 1: the interview, I talked about the movements that you've been 330 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: involved with, most notably since in eighteen eighty four. The movements, 331 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 1: the marches, the marches, the marches, the marches are such 332 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: a dominant arch right now, and what we're doing and 333 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: going on right now, they just don't report them anymore. 334 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: People are still marching in this country. There's just marching. 335 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: This is not reporting it. But people are still marching 336 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: because of the fact that that Donald Trump was making 337 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 1: it a political issue. But now he realized it doesn't work. 338 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 1: Guess what, He's backed off, like they're not happening anymore, 339 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, But not saying anything about those same guys 340 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: who went up to the in Michigan who tried to 341 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: kidnap and possibly kill the governor, or the same idiots 342 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: in march who he said, liberate Michigan, he could he helped, 343 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: who put some or some gangs on the fire. And 344 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 1: these guys, that's carrist Why he calling them terror? Why 345 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: isn't he calling them out and these guys. Can you 346 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: imagine if some black guys talked about kidnapping a governor 347 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: or any Latinos or the Mexicans or Muslims, he would 348 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: have been going bananas. He just spent out every National 349 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: Guard he could. But these are white. He has nothing 350 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: to say, hasn't announced it. And they literally were talking 351 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: about studying a civil war and it's absolutely And some 352 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: of them really didn't care about him, you know, they 353 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 1: were just anti governor, and that's why government. So that's 354 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: why it's really crazy when you realize that the people 355 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: you're trying to motivate are really anti you and anti 356 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: government and really are terrorists just like you said, they're 357 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: domestic terrorists. And he's not even acknowledging that, and nor 358 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: is Mike Pitts either. And that's the information I just 359 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: try to deliver on my show. It's an entrepreneurs show. 360 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: But guess what what they're doing in the White House 361 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: affects us. What they're doing in the right affect us 362 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: as black people with the COVID eighteen because we're overtly 363 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: affected by the the way we eat, through our lifestyles, 364 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: all that by our finances are being affected by COVID 365 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: eighteen and the financial packages that they failed to approve. 366 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: When you look at all this happened in and you've 367 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: not been around a long time for ever. Now, what 368 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: is your fear take on this? What is our future? 369 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: And how important is November thirty for everybody to get 370 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: out and vote. Our future is in our hands. We 371 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: have the numbers if we come out and vote in 372 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: these various states. UH to turn this around, and not 373 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, but for us. We can't afford to 374 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: lose the affordable care and we can't afford to lose 375 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: the voting rights which in many states they have changed 376 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: the voting laws and we need the Voting Rights Act 377 00:20:55,640 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: could be empowered more with the John Lewis Vote Rights 378 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: Bill that has passed the House of Representatives but has 379 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: not even been been put in front of the Senate 380 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: because McConnell will not put it up. But if the 381 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: majority of the Senate changes the Democrat, it won't be 382 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 1: up to McConnell, be up to the new majority leader 383 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 1: would probably be Chuck Schumer. We cannot afford for them 384 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: to turn back affirmative action that's going in front of 385 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. Uh. So, these all of these issues 386 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: say that we have got to stand up and take 387 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: our feature and magic is not gonna bring us a 388 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: reverse and liberation. We've got to do the work. God 389 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: is not gonna come and do it. God has given 390 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: us the strength to do it. And we've got to 391 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:48,159 Speaker 1: vote that our forefathers, who had faith in God for 392 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: to get us. We need to use it in a 393 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: mass way. And as you said, it is related to 394 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: entrepreneurship and business. But God called me one day on 395 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: the show my radio or and said, well, Remnune, I 396 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: ain't in the politics. I want to go in business, 397 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: I said, But you can't go in business without dealing 398 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: with the political reality. Where you want to set up 399 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: your store is a zoning board decides whether it can 400 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: be a business, their commercial or whether it's residential. That's political. 401 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: Or the regulations you're gonna have to follow is decided 402 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,119 Speaker 1: by regulators. That's political. Everything you do, how you bank, 403 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: what the interest rates, so all of that is political. 404 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: So you can't run from it in the name of 405 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: I'm in business, I'm not in politics. To be in 406 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: business is to have to engage in who makes the 407 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: political decisions. That's why you should at least vote to 408 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: make sure you have the people in there are sensitive 409 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: to your issues and your interests. It's that's what a 410 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: powerful statement, and that's what y'all tell. But people, you 411 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: can't have a closed minded approach to it doesn't bother me, 412 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: it's not affecting me. It's not in my neighborhood. That's 413 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: them and them look like you. You can't talk like 414 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: that because eventually I always tell people they pulled towards 415 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: flat out of them and say he's been okay. That's 416 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: what I tell people all the time. Remember the car 417 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: he got pulled out of. It wasn't a jelappe. He 418 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: wasn't on the side of the street looking homeless. They 419 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: pulled him out of Mercedes Ben and Stay. And so 420 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: that means that economic structure means nothing to people who 421 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: devalue you because of your color or you as a 422 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: human being. But when I was reading the book, or 423 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, your book rides up, um, what compelled you 424 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: write the book, because there's so many layers that talks 425 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: about you know, four years old, when you started your 426 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 1: James Brown experience and what he taught you, and and 427 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: the and the one of my favorite lines in there 428 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 1: is like in my life, I run with dreamers and schemers. 429 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King, Jr. Nelson, Mandela and John Lewis are 430 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: dreamers Roger Stone, Don King and Donald Trump or schemers. 431 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: And then I added this line, good out runs bad 432 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 1: only if you stay the course. That's your line. I 433 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: just put it together because that is absolutely the truth 434 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: what we're talking about right now with this election. Good 435 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: out runs bad if we stay the course and vote 436 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: because too many schemers win. We're letting two minutes schemers win. 437 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: That's that's right, and we let them win because we 438 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: don't do our best. We don't stay committed and dedicated 439 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: and discipline. But if you stay the cost, no matter what, 440 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: there is going to be a win. There is always 441 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel if you don't 442 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: give up little way to the tunnel. And you just 443 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: got to keep going. And one of the great things 444 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 1: I wanted to bring out in the book was that 445 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: you brought out the book because of the fact that, well, 446 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: did you write the book or you have a ghost writer? 447 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: How did you how I wrote fantastic, fantastic Mike Eric Dyson. 448 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: Now he puts some pay he putsn't working that uh 449 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: that forward, Now he puts the word forward. And because 450 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: of the fact that he told me some things, he 451 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: gott be excited about the book Michael Eric and I went, wow, 452 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: this is powerful stuff. When I went into the book, 453 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: I went, wow, this is really the things I didn't 454 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: know about you. And one of the things that was 455 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: compelling to me was the fact that the gold medal 456 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: you wear around your neck is not jewelry. Tell everybody 457 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 1: about it, you know, the Lord what. I were there 458 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: the march that you mentioned in Howard Beach in the 459 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: eight six where we were marching, about three black young 460 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: men were attacked for being in the Howard Beach section 461 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: of Queens, New York, which was mob dominated at that time. Uh, 462 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: And we kept watching. We ended up getting three of 463 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: those young men indicted for manslaughter. Jose Williams, who was 464 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: one of Dr King's chief lieutenants years before, came to 465 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: New York and he would give people the Martin Luther 466 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: King medallion he had made to try to unite them. 467 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: That you have worked in the spread of Dr King, 468 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,160 Speaker 1: who he worked with for so long. And uh. He 469 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,120 Speaker 1: came to the rally and hung out around my neck 470 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: and it made me feel like if I was in 471 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 1: the streets, it made you feel like a made man. 472 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: He was one of the main elders of the movement 473 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: that I had looked up to all my life, uniting 474 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 1: me with this motel king mcdaine. I think I slept 475 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: with him for three days, so I would wear it 476 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 1: all the time because I was so honored by and 477 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: the press with all him and in the day and 478 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: even some black word he went jury for. It wasn't jury. 479 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: It was an award from uh from Jove Williams. Now. Yeah, 480 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: I wore track suits, but I was a young guy. 481 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: That was what we wore in those days. DNC Curtis 482 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: blow all of them. With my contemporaries. I grew up 483 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: Spike Lee, Russell Smers, all of us was Brooklyn and Queen, 484 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: same age group. We grew up together, and I dressed 485 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 1: my age. I wasn't you know. Jesse was thirteen fourteen 486 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: years older than me, and and John Lewis and then 487 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: they were a generation ahead of me. I dressed like 488 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: my generation, and uh so people made caricatures out of it, 489 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: But I was just being me. And I talked about 490 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 1: that in the book Be Yourself, Be Offended. You don't 491 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: have to try and and and cramp your style or 492 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: readjust your style, be you, because if you understand yourself 493 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: value and have real self awareness. You can make it work, 494 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: and you are making it work. And in closing, uh Reverney, 495 00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: how can one be an activist? You know, how can 496 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 1: one use the media? And because that's important right now, 497 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: because you've been doing it so long, you're you know, 498 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: you've written a book on motivation, seeing us, seeing it through, 499 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, getting through the through, from the positive and 500 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: from the negative to the positive. Talk about how can 501 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: I be an activist? One can be an activist by 502 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: first determining what it is you want to get done. 503 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a huge march. It doesn't 504 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: have to be uh, something everybody talks about. It could 505 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 1: be I want to do something in my neighborhood, I 506 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: want to do something in my church, something in my 507 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 1: business or some of my workplace. Set a goal and 508 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: then be determined to get that done and in your 509 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: local or even bigger than that. Use the media to 510 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: tell your story. Don't have the media be your goal, 511 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: Have the media be your means to a goal. Martching 512 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: doesn't solve a problem. Watching exposes a problem. But if 513 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 1: somebody doesn't know how to expose the problem, you'll never 514 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: force those in power to deal with it. As long 515 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: as they can operate in the dark, they will continue 516 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: to do whatever they want to do. But as soon 517 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: as you put the light on something, everyone has to 518 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: just because everyone's looking at what's being done. Wow, Rise Up. 519 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: Confronting the Country at the cars Row is a new 520 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: book out by Reverndew Shopping Reverndew. Thank you for coming 521 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: on the show. Tell them, tell them to come and 522 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: send me some flyers. I got over a million social 523 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: media followers, I got a fan club, over a thousand 524 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: fan club members. I want to send your flyers out 525 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: with the links with the sellers. Book is a great book, 526 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: as you know. I've read it. I'm enjoying and I'm 527 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 1: sharing with my friends and tell them when I say 528 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: share and share the link to buy. I don't just 529 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: share books, I said. We try to sell books here. 530 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: We try to get number one on the best sellers 531 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: and stuff like this if we try to, but just well, 532 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: I will offend it to you. And uh, let me 533 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: tell you something. It's only about twenty twenty five people 534 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: in the world whose opinion matters to me and rash 535 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: and you are definitely on that list. I appreciate it. 536 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: Much respect man, and you all respect. Thank you, my friend. 537 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: Bye bye, all right, take care. If you want to 538 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: hear more money making Conversations, please go to money Making 539 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: Conversation dot com. I'm Rashaan McDonald. I'm your host.