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Speaker 1: The most valuable commodity I know of this information.

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Speaker 2: This is a ratal upon how about they travel ship?

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Speaker 2: One man, you're saying that humans need fantasy to make

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Speaker 1: My goodness, I'm speak You guys are prone, the best, relentless,

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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 1: The NFL regular season is done. We had a wild

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Speaker 1: eighteen week roller coaster and today we are very excited

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Speaker 1: to take a look back on the highs and lows

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Speaker 1: of another fantasy season with longtime front of the podcast,

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Speaker 1: NFL Insider for ESPN and co host of the fantasy

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Speaker 1: focused football podcast Bil Yates.

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Speaker 3: Deal, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: How are you guys? Always going to be back on

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Speaker 2: with you? And a lot to talk about During the preseason,

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Speaker 2: we have lots to talk about as well, but everything

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Speaker 2: is projecting. Now we get to reflect a little bit

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Speaker 2: believe it or not, we did have a couple of

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Speaker 3: Yeah. There, So let's let's jump right into it. We're

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Speaker 1: Let's go position by position here and Feld, I'll start

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Speaker 1: But let's start with quarterback. Who are some your biggest

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Speaker 2: So I would start by saying that I think this

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Speaker 2: recent memory. As we have long talked about, there's this

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Speaker 2: that such was not the case. As far as season

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Speaker 2: long breakouts go, there really was just one who, I

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Speaker 2: felt was like above the Parbial Mendoza line of starting

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Speaker 2: a quarterback level in fantasy, and that was Geno Smith.

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Speaker 2: He ends up his quarterback five for the season, which

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know Gino, it was more it was

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Speaker 4: The biggest surprises Geno because you know his ADP was

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Speaker 2: We at least you get the Vikings. In Week seventeen,

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Speaker 3: So here's my question.

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Speaker 1: Are we giving Tom Brady a pass because he put

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Speaker 2: I was certainly in on Derek Carr. He had less

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a kind of honorable mention I'll throw out

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Speaker 2: Totally and obviously, and with I tell people with this

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Speaker 2: sit there and say, Wow, Justin Herbert twenty five passing touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: Weeks thirteen through sixteen, when you needed Justin Herbert in

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Speaker 1: All right, let's let's get into running backs. Who surprised

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Speaker 2: our potential two man backfield. Vermandra Steams and Tony Pollard. Right,

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Speaker 2: I'm not so sure that it was like ever going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Jamal Williams was going to be the

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Speaker 1: Because it's certainly Williams for me, even though I was

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Speaker 1: no idea it was going to be seventeen rushing touchdowns,

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Speaker 4: But my breakout, and you know, surprise candidate, was Ramandre

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Speaker 3: I let's go to busts.

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Speaker 1: Always a lot of busts at the running back position fields,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So I don't want to be unfair

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Acres, I think and I would consider

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Speaker 2: he doesn't do it. Like there's been like one running

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's you know, running back target

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Speaker 3: I mean, look at Hurts.

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Speaker 1: You know Miles Sanders doesn't get a ton of love

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then to your point though, right, like who's

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Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah, this one's personal for me because he's a

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Speaker 4: probably didn't kill you based on his draft capital, but

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Speaker 4: So you know, I take him every year, but this

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Speaker 3: It could have been worse. It could have been Melvin Gordon.

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Speaker 2: True true, true.

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Speaker 1: All right, wide receivers field, who you got for your breakouts.

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Speaker 2: This one's interesting because it's obviously the deepest position in fantasy,

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Speaker 2: This year, He's one that comes to mind. I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jay Jones is the guy who really stands out

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Speaker 1: Jay Jones, Sean, I know you like Zay's Is he

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Speaker 1: One of the name I'll throw out, I mean, his

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Speaker 1: It's a bus because I can think of so many

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Speaker 1: Mike Evans, I'm gonna read you the game log from

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Speaker 1: weeks nine through Week sixteen. Fantasy points per game nine

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Speaker 1: point zero, ten point four, five point one, nine point nine,

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Speaker 1: eight point four, thirteen point three, five point nine. He

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Speaker 1: went a stretch from Week four to week seventeen without

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Speaker 1: scoring a touchdown. This is Mike Evans, who in the

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Speaker 1: three seasons prior to this year had more receiving touchdowns

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Speaker 1: than any player in the NFL. You were drafting Mike

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Speaker 1: Evans understanding, he does have his occasional bust week, right,

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Speaker 1: but it's always offset by the massive breakout weeks. And

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Speaker 1: he had just two games over twenty fantasy points this season.

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Speaker 1: Now they were two massive games thirty point three in

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Speaker 1: one week and forty eight point seven in the other.

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Speaker 1: But the reality is that there was a six or

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Speaker 1: seven week stretch where you reluctantly played Mike Evans or

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Speaker 1: you regrettibly played Mike Evans.

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Speaker 2: So he's the for me.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean Mike Evans.

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Speaker 1: And then of course, I mean he bails people out,

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Speaker 1: so I mean at least that at least he did

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Speaker 1: that in the in the championship week with the three

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Speaker 1: touchdown game. But I mean, who was I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how many people were starting in by them. But

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Speaker 1: I mean there's so many other guys that come to mind.

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Speaker 3: I mean Elijah Moore, Mooney.

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Speaker 2: Elijah Moore, Who's he does he playing exactly right?

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Speaker 1: But I mean there are some guys that were expected

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Speaker 1: to kind of be their teams you know, go to guy,

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Speaker 1: and just completely I mean, I think Elijah Moore probably

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Speaker 1: is at the top of my list just because you know,

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Speaker 1: even with Garrett Wilson breaking out, like for Elijah Moore

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Speaker 1: to just disappear, it was like, wow, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean Deontay Johnson was disappointing, right and zero touchdown scored,

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Speaker 2: which is obviously it's it's tough to do when you

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Speaker 2: have eighty six catches. It's never been done before. DJ

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Speaker 2: Moore got hot down the stretch, but he was quiet

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Speaker 2: for a long time too. Like and as we know,

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Speaker 2: with these wide receivers, it's not like these guys have

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Speaker 2: changed in terms of who they are our physical skill

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Speaker 2: set wise, right, A lot of it is just the

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Speaker 2: circumstances or the quarterback or the offense changes. And that

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Speaker 2: seemed to really undo a ton of wide receivers this year.

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Speaker 3: I got, I got another name before we move on,

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Speaker 3: all right, Ellen Robinson.

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Speaker 1: Man, because like the hype, it just kept growing and

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Speaker 1: growing and next thing you know, he's like a top

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Speaker 1: thirty wide receiver and ADP.

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Speaker 2: We couldn't figure what to do. We got, we got,

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Speaker 2: our brains got turned into a pretzel of that one.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean you know it was there was just

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Speaker 1: a bunch of land mines and like you could you

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Speaker 1: could have drafted like Mooney, more Robinson, like back to

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Speaker 1: back courtland Sutton was in there, like just so many

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Speaker 1: busts in that like low low end or high end

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Speaker 1: wide receiver three I guess you call it, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh all right, let's go to tight end and Uh,

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Speaker 1: it was interesting here, right, Yeah, who surprised you at

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Speaker 1: tight ends show?

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Speaker 2: Oh man? Well, so let's let's let's talk positively first.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple of names here, and for

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Speaker 2: tight ends you really have to be much more focus

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Speaker 2: on like stretches of time as opposed to the full season.

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Speaker 2: But the two that come to mind for me T J. Hawkinson,

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Speaker 2: who was good for two teams this year. Had the

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Speaker 2: massive game early on in the season for the Lions,

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Speaker 2: and then I think he had a bagel like the

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Speaker 2: following week. I think it was literally like thirty seven

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Speaker 2: points one week and then zero the next. Let me

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Speaker 2: check that, Okay, thirty nine point nine followed up by

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Speaker 2: one point six. He got belichicked in Week five by

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, who held him to just one catch after

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Speaker 2: that monster game against Seattle, but played really well for

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Speaker 2: the Vikings, played well in the playoffs, the big game

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Speaker 2: in the semi final week where he had those two

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Speaker 2: touchdowns and the thirteen catches, and then Evan Ingram obviously

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Speaker 2: was very good as well for the Jaguars. As the

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Speaker 2: season wore on, it wasn't quite like fire out of

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Speaker 2: the gates with a massive, massive season for Evan Ingram,

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Speaker 2: but he kind of hit his stride in the last

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Speaker 2: third or so of the season and was a useful,

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Speaker 2: reliable could count on you tight end and then other

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Speaker 2: guys that's like certain stretches, right. Dalton Schultz was good

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Speaker 2: when Dak Prescott played. Colecomet had some moments as well.

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Speaker 2: But I think the story of tight end is probably

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Speaker 2: more disappointment than it is celebrating guys this year.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you look at the top ten, and

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at like Tyler Higby's number six, and I

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Speaker 1: mean he had like a couple of weeks here and there.

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Speaker 1: Comet same thing, Like he didn't really do anything till

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Speaker 1: the second half. Shultz was up and down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Payson Hill was tight and eight pay Hills Hill,

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Speaker 2: who had the one week was like way he had

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Speaker 2: three rushing touchdowns, was like the only was like the

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Speaker 2: first player ever with like three rushing touchdowns is a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: It was some ridiculous like broke some sort of record,

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Speaker 2: and that also accounted for like twenty some percent of

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Speaker 2: his production. But it just is a reminder of how

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Speaker 2: thin and desperate the position can get in a hurry

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Speaker 2: and talented guys, right, like Hayden Hurst talented player one

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Speaker 2: hundred and five point four Fantasy points for the season,

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Speaker 2: Austin Hooper chinga Konkwell, I'm looking at some of the

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Speaker 2: names in that range, MIKEASICKI Hunter, Henry, Like, these guys

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Speaker 2: are all could play. It's just that volume or crowded

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Speaker 2: skill group rooms have prevented them from making a major impact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think the answer is, you know, the surprises were

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Speaker 1: just Saints tight ends like Juan johnsonays yeah, and Taysom

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Speaker 1: mill Right, I mean Sean. I mean I feel like

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Speaker 1: every week I was like, we gotta fade you on Johnson,

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Speaker 1: He's he's not gonna keep catching touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: Then he just kept catching touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 4: He's a touchdown dependent tight end that constantly scored touchdowns.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Well, damn it, all right, let's go to bust and

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Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like a lot of these guys,

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Speaker 1: even like I'm looking at a top five guy who

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Speaker 1: I feel like was a bust field.

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Speaker 3: But curiously to your thoughts, yeah.

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Speaker 2: The answer is Mark Andrews. And I hate to say

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Speaker 2: that from Mark because it wasn't like he was terrible

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Speaker 2: relative to the position he had nearly eight and fifty

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Speaker 2: receiving yards. He had seventy three catches this year. There

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Speaker 2: were plenty of spirited debates about whether Travis Kelcey or

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Speaker 2: Mark Andrews should be tight end one coming into the season.

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Speaker 2: Kelsey only had one hundred and twenty five point eight

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Speaker 2: more points over the course of the year, so I

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Speaker 2: think we know which one or which way that one

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Speaker 2: should have leaned towards. It's also fair to point out

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Speaker 2: that Mark Andrews played in a much different offense. Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson was hurt for a good chunk of it. They

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Speaker 2: aren't nearly as inclined to throw the football ats Kansas

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Speaker 2: City is. But the problem is that you paid a

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Speaker 2: real premium of Mark Andrews was going at like, you know,

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Speaker 2: early second round in some WEAKUS heck, people were willing

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Speaker 2: to take him in a large league, a sixteen team league.

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Speaker 2: People were willing to take the positional edge early and

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Speaker 2: take him sixteenth overall. And for the first five or

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Speaker 2: six weeks of the season it looked like you had

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Speaker 2: made the exact right call. Part of it was when

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Speaker 2: Lamar was going crazy. But even when Lamar cooled off

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Speaker 2: a little bit, he was at twenty two point nine

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Speaker 2: Fantasy points or more, and four of his first six

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Speaker 2: games twenty two point nine. Then you go down the

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Speaker 2: stretch and he had a four week stretch where we

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Speaker 2: had less than ten Fantasy points each of those four games.

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Speaker 2: So not exactly a great year for Mark Andrews by

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Speaker 2: the standard he set for himself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that just shows you how you know the

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Speaker 1: state of the position when he's still finished top five.

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Speaker 1: After all that, all right, let's go, let's get some

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Speaker 1: post these and predictions on the board here. You know,

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Speaker 1: obviously most fantasy leagues are wrapped up now, but tomes

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Speaker 1: of our listeners they're still going to play dfs, joined

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Speaker 1: playoff leagues, all that good stuff.

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Speaker 3: So looking at the.

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Speaker 1: Playoff landscape field, who are some players you see breaking

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Speaker 1: out for a huge fantasy performance in the wild card

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Speaker 1: weekend or just you know, throughout the postseason.

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Speaker 2: Well, by the way, I liked it, and I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you guys are. I'm sure aware of this format. But

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Speaker 2: it's a fun thing for those that maybe are looking

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Speaker 2: to have some involvement in the Fantasy playoffs but don't

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Speaker 2: have the right format. This is something fun that a

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Speaker 2: group of colleagues and friends do that I'm a part

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Speaker 2: of at ESPN. And you build a sixteen team roster.

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Speaker 2: Our format is three quarterbacks, three running backs, four receivers,

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Speaker 2: three flex, one tight end, two defenses, and you get

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Speaker 2: to pick. You must pick one player from each of

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Speaker 2: the fourteen teams, and then you have two players from

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Speaker 2: two teams. So if you wanted to take Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: and Stefan Diggs, you could. If you wanted to take

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Speaker 2: Dak Prescott and Ceedee Lamb, you could, but you'd have

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Speaker 2: to then just pick one player from any of the

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Speaker 2: other from the remaining of remaining twelve other teams. So

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Speaker 2: it's a fun way, and there's obviously strategy involved, right,

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Speaker 2: So this week, you know my strategy is going to

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Speaker 2: be probably the same every single time I do this

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Speaker 2: is I view the Bills as a very decided favorite

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Speaker 2: over the Dolphins. That thus I will sort of punt

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Speaker 2: my Dolphins pick, right, So I'll pick Dolphins defense, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: if I get two points from the Dolphins defense, I

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Speaker 2: don't care. I'd rather not waste a wide receiver spot

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Speaker 2: on Tyreek Hill, whom I get you twenty this week, right,

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Speaker 2: But he's gone after this week, so it's a fun

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Speaker 2: way to play. But anyway, that was another here. I

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Speaker 2: want this here in there. As far as defenses to

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Speaker 2: attack or players to look at for DFS, George Kittle's

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Speaker 2: form the most like popular name you'll hear going up

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Speaker 2: to this week because they play the Seahawks, and I

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Speaker 2: know the Cardinals forever have been the defense that allowed

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Speaker 2: the most Fantasy points to opposing tight ends. The Seahawks

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Speaker 2: overtook them by the end of the season. George Kittle

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Speaker 2: had a great game against them late in the season.

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Speaker 2: Kittle seems to be one of the chalkiest DFS plays

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Speaker 2: that is worth the price that you are likely getting

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Speaker 2: him for, which will be I'm imagining on most sites

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Speaker 2: the most expensive, most expensive tight end for the wild

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Speaker 2: Card round, with Travis Kelcey unavailable because he's on the

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Speaker 2: buy and then obviously Mark Andrews playing with somebody not

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Speaker 2: named Lamar Jackson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Kittle is you know he and he bawled out

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Speaker 3: against the Seahawks in that well was it? He got

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Speaker 3: like two touchdowns in that last game, so yeah, he

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Speaker 3: went crazy.

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Speaker 2: Anyone else though, other players that consider for this week,

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Speaker 2: Basically I'm avoiding the entire Dolphins passing game, which makes

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Speaker 2: so you have some obvious pivots here. I should pull

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Speaker 2: up a schedule right now to remind myself of which

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Speaker 2: day and which thing is happening. But I think the

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Speaker 2: Jaguars and and Chargers game could be higher scoring than

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Speaker 2: maybe the current forecast is. So there's gonna be one

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Speaker 2: of those Jaguars wide receivers that kind of goes off,

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Speaker 2: and I need to think longer and harder about who

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Speaker 2: I want to pick amongst those Jaguars wide receivers before

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Speaker 2: I put my foot down to definitively. How about you, guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm sort of like sumping myself on a Jaguars wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: So buy me some time. Here is somebody that comes

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Speaker 2: to mind. You got that one. Yeah, So for the.

655
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Speaker 4: Entire playoffs, I'm going with Gabe Davis because you know,

656
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 4: he's struggled down the stretch, and I think some of

657
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 4: that I had to do with Josh Allen's elbow injury

658
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: in Week nine. I think Josh Allen played that down

659
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 4: a bit, but it was certainly impacting his decision making

660
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: not to throw a downfield as much as he typically does.

661
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: But last week he's certain likely he had that arm

662
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: strength bat That throw to Diggs was amazing. So and

663
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: as we were talking about before, he went on, Allen's

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Speaker 4: scrambling a bit less, so we could just see more

665
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 4: pass attempts to go around. But similar to last year

666
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 4: in the playoffs, I think gay Davis is going to

667
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 4: have some strong performances. And then for this weekend specifically,

668
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 4: I would have to go with kay Otton at tight end.

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Speaker 4: You know these are rookie titles deeper than I. Oh yeah,

670
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: this is a DFS play for sure. But he's you know,

671
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 4: been fairly quiet of late, and last week they bubble

672
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 4: wrapped him. He only ran around on twenty four percent

673
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 4: of dropbacks, but they've been treating him like the true

674
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 4: number one tight end in that offense for a couple

675
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Speaker 4: of months now, So I expect him to run around

676
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 4: on eighty eighty five percent of Tom Brady's dropbacks this week.

677
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 4: And you know, rookie tight ends typically take awhile tojust

678
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 4: to the position in the NFL, so he's only gonna

679
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: get better. Could break out with a big game this

680
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 4: weekend like it.

681
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel Jones also won again for this weekend that

682
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: I think is compelling, which this is just like and

683
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm playing these are all like anybody out there is

684
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: who's going to be playing in a tournament, Like, avoid

685
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Speaker 2: these picks because they're going to be unanimously rostered, I

686
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: would think. But as we know, Daniel Jones in the

687
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: one game against the Giants against the Vikings earlier this year,

688
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: just totally carved them up. Defense. That past defense, as

689
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: we know, is as bad as it could possibly be.

690
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: That that to me is like that's the is it

691
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: too obvious of an upset pick? The Giants are for

692
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: the Vikings this weekend? It just feels like if everybody's

693
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: gonna be on one upset pick, it's the Giants over

694
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Speaker 2: the Vikings, right, I mean.

695
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Speaker 1: This Viking team is bottom five and DVOA. It's not

696
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: a great team. You know, that defense is just not good.

697
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: So I think what every game they've won, it's been

698
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 3: by one possession pretty much.

699
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's absurd, Like and the thing is that

700
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: like it's gonna go one of two ways because and

701
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: I don't listen, every fan base has fans that are

702
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: like fired up positively or negatively, and like they either

703
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 2: bother you beyond just like beyond word or you're just

704
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: like you have to kind of accept it. Like every

705
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: fan base has fans that maybe you're like a little

706
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: bit too passionate for their own good, right, But what

707
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: like on Sunday, you're either going to have one cross

708
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 2: section of football fans, let's say fans in general, who

709
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 2: we're gonna be saying I told you so, like this

710
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: team stunk. They stunk all year and it finally when

711
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: it came to a game that mattered the most, they

712
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 2: were finally exposed. Or Vikings fans are going to say,

713
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: keep doubting us, you know, thirteen and four, now fourteen

714
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: and four, like, keep counting this out. This you guys

715
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: have been doing all year. I do believe, though, if

716
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: the Vikings do manage to get past the Giants's upcoming weekend,

717
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: that the clock strikes midnight when they play the San

718
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: Francisco forty nine ers in a Round two of the playoffs.

719
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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

720
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Speaker 1: I mean this team every time they've been in one

721
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: of those situations too, where it's like they were underdogs

722
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: against the Lions and their fans are like, yeah, hey,

723
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: what's going on here? They got blown out against the Cowboys,

724
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: were blown out that was the bone out.

725
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: Cowboys were the one where you're like, wait, what, like

726
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: coming off of the Bills win and they're home to

727
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: the Cowboys and you're like, nah, no, don't know, like

728
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: why are they gonna respect them? At the time, they

729
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 2: were eight to one, and then it was like, oh

730
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: they lost forty to three. Good call. This team is

731
00:33:58,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: not who we thought they were.

732
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, let's let's wrap it up here. Field.

733
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Speaker 3: This was this is great.

734
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Speaker 1: What are you up to once the season ends? I

735
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: know you've been just grinding all seasons? So what do

736
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: you what do you usually get into? You know, once

737
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: and ends?

738
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Speaker 2: Well, this is fun. So a week from now, the

739
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Speaker 2: first Draft podcast for anybody loves the NFL Draft will

740
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: be back. It's myself and try to think of, like,

741
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: who's the least important third member of a band in

742
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: the history of music, because that's me in this case.

743
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: I've got myself with Todd McShay and melkiper Junior. Who

744
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: are you know, the pre eminitive voices in draft coverage

745
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 2: regardless of network. So I basically play quarterback, no point guard,

746
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: they might even point guard. I just sort of sit

747
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: there and stand in between them and get them from

748
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 2: one topic to the next, But I can't wait for

749
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: the two of them have so much passion for what

750
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Speaker 2: they do. First Draft Continue starts up next Wednesday, so

751
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: January eighteenth will be going live on YouTube plus the

752
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: podcast form. Then Fantasy Focus is going to keep going

753
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: this offseason once a week, and like, we don't know

754
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 2: what we're gonna talk about yet, Like, will talk about

755
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 2: fantasy football, but we don't know if it's going to

756
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 2: be is it all looking backwards, is it all looking forwards?

757
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: It it's probably gonna be some of both, right, like

758
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: the five things we wish we had done differently this

759
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: past year, the five things we're going to do differently

760
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 2: next year. But the Fantasy Focus will have a bigger

761
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 2: presence than usual this offseason, which is exciting.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, man, this is really great field. Thank you so

763
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: much for your time today. It's been a pleasure. As always.

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Speaker 2: we decide was the best overall value in fantasy this year? Like,

769
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Speaker 2: are we going to go with like is it Geno Smith.

770
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786
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Speaker 1: Awesome, And just tell everybody where they can find you

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