Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, we're going on tour in eighteen, and where
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Speaker 1: Stuff you should know from House Stuff Works dot com. Hey,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm josh Ark. There's Charles W. Chuck. Bryant.
Speaker 1: There's Jerry over there. We're all wearing togas, which makes
Speaker 1: this stuff. You should know, the Ancient Roman edition or
Speaker 1: the Animal House edition. Yeah, it could be. I'm blueto.
Speaker 1: I just saw that that movie, that Netflix movie about
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Doug Kenny and then Lampoon. Is it good? Well,
Speaker 1: the documentary is better? Oh is this like a biopic? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, it's a movie movie. I got you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I judge my UM. What I watch on Netflix just
Speaker 1: based on like the illustration or the drawing or the art.
Speaker 1: And sometimes that's a good rule of thumb, in other
Speaker 1: times it's not. But that one I kind of avoided
Speaker 1: it because of the art. Yeah, I mean it's not great.
Speaker 1: I kind of enjoyed it because I like all the
Speaker 1: people and it's kind of fun seeing someone be Bill
Speaker 1: Murray and someone beach I E. Chase and John Belushi
Speaker 1: in a little bit of the making of Animal House
Speaker 1: and Caddyshack. But ultimately the documentary is much better. What's
Speaker 1: the name of the documentary, um a drunk, stoned, brilliant dead,
Speaker 1: or some combination of those words. I'm not sure I've
Speaker 1: come across that. Yeah, that's that's really good, but brilliant
Speaker 1: and feudal gesture. Feudal and stupid gesture. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: is uh? I give it two stars. I don't know
Speaker 1: how out of how many, though, I've just been steady
Speaker 1: consuming Riff tracks as fast as they'll clear him on
Speaker 1: Amazon Prime. Really, yeah, that stuff never gets old. It
Speaker 1: really doesn't. It really really doesn't. All right, Chuck. Now
Speaker 1: that we've gotten our initial tangent a k a. The
Speaker 1: introduction out of the way recommended viewing, right, Um, let's
Speaker 1: talk POMPEII. Yeah, because I mean that's what we're doing today.
Speaker 1: And frankly, it's two thousand and eighteen. We been doing
Speaker 1: this for almost a decade. Now we're coming up on
Speaker 1: a decade in a few months April. Yeah, and we
Speaker 1: this is the first we're doing on Pompeii. And that
Speaker 1: is just utterly mind blowing to me. It really is,
Speaker 1: considering we've done shows on both volcanoes and super volcanoes. Um,
Speaker 1: and our our show on tiny volcanoes all right, Little
Speaker 1: is the Littlest volcano that was so good. It is
Speaker 1: weird that we're finally getting around to us. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: really is. Because we've also done like the Seven Wonders.
Speaker 1: We've done tons of archaeology stuff. It's it's strange. We
Speaker 1: did one on the real Atlantis. Remember that one. Nope,
Speaker 1: it was a good one. You should go back and
Speaker 1: listen to it. Yeah. Yeah, I was like, oh, Monopoly,
Speaker 1: we haven't done one on that and looked it up,
Speaker 1: and yet we sure have. I do remember that one.
Speaker 1: I was scouring my brain like, okay, what what was
Speaker 1: this episode? Like? What did we talk about? Not? Then
Speaker 1: it's like it never happened. I mean, maybe we should
Speaker 1: just go back and re record some of these for
Speaker 1: our own benefit. Okay, reboot our own show, right just
Speaker 1: for us. So um, okay, well, we are finally talking POMPEII,
Speaker 1: and to do that, we have to go back the
Speaker 1: way Back machine and we should probably bring helmets and
Speaker 1: the dog attack outfits that those those trainers wear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and also we need to fuel the way Back with
Speaker 1: olive oil on this trip. Let's we need to retrofit
Speaker 1: it because we'll be in big trouble if we don't. Well,
Speaker 1: let's use the good stuff, like the really high grade stuff,
Speaker 1: because it burns my throat. I like the mid grade
Speaker 1: e v O O. So let's save that for eating,
Speaker 1: use the high test stuff for traveling. Oh you don't
Speaker 1: like really get alive wood. No, I don't. I want
Speaker 1: to say that I do, but I don't. It burns
Speaker 1: my throat. Yeah, like when you just do shots of it. Yea,
Speaker 1: maybe that's the problem. Shot of olive oil, shot of
Speaker 1: crank case soil. Well, you know what they say, olive
Speaker 1: oil before crank case oil never sicker. No, it's the other.
Speaker 1: Oh god, alright, So we're in the way back machine.
Speaker 1: We have our our rescue gear. We have our olive oil.
Speaker 1: It's our dog attack gear. Sure why because the dogs there? No,
Speaker 1: because of the falling pummice in stone that's about to
Speaker 1: hit the area. Yeah, but there. I just wondered because
Speaker 1: the very famously was a cast of a dog. And
Speaker 1: there's actually a very famous mosaic that says cave conum,
Speaker 1: which is aware of dog. So yeah, there are dogs there. Well,
Speaker 1: good thing, we got that suit right in our nice dispositions.
Speaker 1: Good dog. Okay, So we're we're here. It's pretty nice.
Speaker 1: It's a very nice area. It's pretty well populated. This
Speaker 1: is Pompeii itself, and Pompeii is one of several towns
Speaker 1: right around here on the Bay of Naples. And if
Speaker 1: you look up over here, that giant, almost cartoonishly volcanic
Speaker 1: volcano over there, that's Vesuvious. It's like an eight year
Speaker 1: old drew a volcano and put it in Italy at
Speaker 1: the Bay of Naples by Naples, and uh, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's that's vesuvious. It's a it's what's called a strato volcano.
Speaker 1: That's right. Uh, And well, I guess we should. You
Speaker 1: can go back and listen to volcanoes from December two
Speaker 1: thousand ten or super volcanoes just last April. But for
Speaker 1: those of you don't know, a strato volcano is sort
Speaker 1: of if you think about the just the run of
Speaker 1: the mill traditional volcano and a cartoon where it just
Speaker 1: pops like a champagne bottle, that's a strato volcano. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's it's actually just built up from previous explosions.
Speaker 1: So the very presence of a strato Voultan cano indicates
Speaker 1: that there's been a lot of activity in that area
Speaker 1: and it's blown straight up into the air and then
Speaker 1: come down and settle down around it, and now you
Speaker 1: have a new layer and it just builds up as
Speaker 1: a cone. And the thing about the strato volcanoes, like
Speaker 1: you said, it pops like a cork. The reason it
Speaker 1: does that is because the lava that's kind of slowly
Speaker 1: growing and building up over time, UM has gases that
Speaker 1: it seeps into the rock, the surrounding rock that makes
Speaker 1: up the volcano, right and Um. When those gases finally
Speaker 1: overcome a certain threshold, the pressure threshold, that's when that
Speaker 1: cork goes off. And it's about to happen, because it's
Speaker 1: either August or September or October, and we're here in Pompeii. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we should also mention to you there are other
Speaker 1: volcanoes around if you look around, because this isn't a
Speaker 1: unique area of Europe. That is called the companion arc. Uh,
Speaker 1: And there are quite a few, well not quite a few,
Speaker 1: but there are several volcanoes. Vesuvius obviously the most active
Speaker 1: and deadly um and famous. But uh, what the companion
Speaker 1: arc is or companion is there's a process called subduction
Speaker 1: where basically a tectonic plate bumps up against another one
Speaker 1: and moves down into the mantle beneath the other plate.
Speaker 1: And that's what's going on here where the African plate
Speaker 1: is meeting the Eurasian plate. Right, so there's like all
Speaker 1: that um hot molten earth that's kind of bubbling up
Speaker 1: through that seam. And one of those holes is the
Speaker 1: volcano that we know as Vesuvius. Right, Yes, okay, so
Speaker 1: we got here just in time to look around for
Speaker 1: a little bit and kind of take in the the
Speaker 1: culture of the area before the volcano. It is very nice.
Speaker 1: It was like a very very wealthy town, but not
Speaker 1: really an important town as far as the Roman Empire
Speaker 1: was concerned, but there were there was an inordinate amount
Speaker 1: of wealthy people, and those wealthy people were inordinately wealthy. Um,
Speaker 1: and they spend a lot of money on the town.
Speaker 1: There's lots of statues everywhere. There's a good number of temples. Um.
Speaker 1: There's one to isis. Uh, there's one a Jupiter. Um.
Speaker 1: There's a big amphitheater and a big theater as well,
Speaker 1: two separate things. Yeah, there's one that holds twenty thou people,
Speaker 1: which um at its peak, that's how many people lived
Speaker 1: in Pompeii, which is a very democratic thing to do
Speaker 1: to say that, hey, uh, we're gonna host a show
Speaker 1: here and we want everyone to be able to come right,
Speaker 1: and and that that's pretty cool that they did do
Speaker 1: that because there's a pretty mixed population in Pompeii at
Speaker 1: the time, Pompeii and suburban Pompeii, which included Herculaneum, uh,
Speaker 1: Stabia and um, what was the other one, Chuck, there's
Speaker 1: uh plazas plazas aplanis okay, Okay, So there's a string
Speaker 1: of towns, but Pompeii is to finally the biggest of
Speaker 1: all of them, and that's kind of like the center
Speaker 1: of the area, right, But there's a lot of different people,
Speaker 1: a lot of different type of people who were kind
Speaker 1: of who kind of gravitated towards Pompeii. It was like
Speaker 1: a cosmopolitan area, right, So you had wealthy people, you
Speaker 1: have poor people, you have people from different areas. That's right.
Speaker 1: And it was also kind of unique for its time
Speaker 1: and that it was it was a bit of a
Speaker 1: resort town, so wealthy people all around Italy. Actually some
Speaker 1: of them would have I guess what you would call
Speaker 1: it now would be a vacation home. Uh. And that
Speaker 1: kind of got me down a rabbit hole of vacationing,
Speaker 1: Like when did that actually begin? Because I had no
Speaker 1: idea that the people of ancient Italy vacation. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: apparently it's the thing. And even Nero is said to
Speaker 1: maybe have had a place at Pompeii. Uh And I
Speaker 1: guess it's just you know, the weather here is lovely.
Speaker 1: There's wine and olive oil everywhere. Like I said, that
Speaker 1: big theater they built that and said one day Pink
Speaker 1: Floyd shall play here. Man, I watched that Echoes video
Speaker 1: like ten times while I was researching this. It's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: For those of you who don't know, Pink Floyd did
Speaker 1: a very famous live concert, um, well not concert concert
Speaker 1: for no one, a live performance um in front of whatever,
Speaker 1: fifteen crew people that were filming it. Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: middle of the Amphitheater at Pompeii. Yeah. It's a little trippy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just a dad um. But then David Gilmore a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, um, I think in two thousand and
Speaker 1: sixteen did a show there with actual people there and
Speaker 1: it was the first con like attended concert event there
Speaker 1: since you know the volcano in Its really cool since
Speaker 1: the v I Yeah, but and that also is will
Speaker 1: kind of see in a little while. That really gives
Speaker 1: away like just how accessible Pompeii is the excavated ruined city.
Speaker 1: Um that you could go see a David Gilmour concert there. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: Like I said, wine and olive oil was kind of
Speaker 1: one of the main trades. But it was just a
Speaker 1: a very rich farmland area because that volcanic soil is
Speaker 1: so rich in nutrients. And they were right there by
Speaker 1: the water with the Sarno River and then right there
Speaker 1: on the bay, and they just like life live in
Speaker 1: life there was pretty good and even the slaves apparently
Speaker 1: could earn money and potentially even by their freedom, which
Speaker 1: was pretty unusual. Um. I have to say, also, you
Speaker 1: mean and I went to Pompeii, as I've told you,
Speaker 1: and I can attest about that that farmland and the
Speaker 1: fertility of it. They have lemons, no joke, the size
Speaker 1: of your head, Like they look like you shouldn't you
Speaker 1: shouldn't stand too close to them. What do you do
Speaker 1: with that much? I don't, I don't know. I mean
Speaker 1: make lemonade, I guess if you're an optimist. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's just like you get one lemon and you've really
Speaker 1: got fourteen lemons pretty much. Mm hmm. I think you're
Speaker 1: just slowly but surely cut away at it, squeeze it
Speaker 1: into your face, pick up another piece, do it again. Gotcha?
Speaker 1: Should we take a break? I think that we weren't
Speaker 1: ready for a break yet until that last joke, and
Speaker 1: now we are. Okay, So yeah, all right, we'll be
Speaker 1: back right after this and talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the v I. Watch my sk but you should know
Speaker 1: sk alright, Chuck, what is the v I? The volcano
Speaker 1: incidet Oh? Okay, I didn't realize it had been abbreviated.
Speaker 1: Or the b O the big one. That's a good
Speaker 1: one too, So let's go with the let's go with
Speaker 1: the b oh okay. So um Pompey. It's this nice
Speaker 1: driving city of twenty thousands. It's a resort area to
Speaker 1: um and on. I guess the morning of August, and
Speaker 1: we should say that date is actually up for debate. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll talk about it a little more later,
Speaker 1: but we're going with August because that's the date that's
Speaker 1: still in use. Um there was a rumble from Vesuvius.
Speaker 1: There was an earthquake in the area enough to like
Speaker 1: get everybody's attention, but supposedly that wasn't a very infrequent
Speaker 1: occurrence that that Vesuvius caused earthquakes pretty pretty frequently in
Speaker 1: the region, and it wasn't a big cause of panic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like one reason so many people died because I think
Speaker 1: because they were used to that kind of activity and
Speaker 1: they were like a big deal, We're used to the
Speaker 1: earth moving under our feet. No reason to flee the town, right.
Speaker 1: There have been a pretty substantial earthquake sixteen years before
Speaker 1: and I think sixty three CE, where they had to
Speaker 1: reconstruct a lot of stuff, like entire temples and things
Speaker 1: have been knocked out. So I'm sure they were like,
Speaker 1: that's nothing compared to old sixty three, the quakes sixty three. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they also, um, they weren't panicked because they are
Speaker 1: the previous eruptions no one really knew about. There were
Speaker 1: no records of those. There wasn't even they didn't even
Speaker 1: say volcano. There wasn't a word for volcano, right, So
Speaker 1: it wasn't really on their radar as Hey, this thing
Speaker 1: has happened before on a grand scale. Uh. They were
Speaker 1: just kind of enjoying their life. Yeah. There weren't cartoons
Speaker 1: back then to be like that's a cartoonishly volcanic volcano
Speaker 1: that's right. So they that's kind of ironic too that
Speaker 1: they didn't realize that there was a long history of
Speaker 1: volcanic activity there, because it turns out that modern volcanologists
Speaker 1: and geologists and archaeologists are pretty sure that there are
Speaker 1: plenty of human settlements that were covered over by the
Speaker 1: volcano that by the time Pompeii was built, it was
Speaker 1: built atop these old settlements that have been covered over.
Speaker 1: So it's like lost city thanks to the volcano. Everybody forgets.
Speaker 1: Somebody's like, oh, this is a nice area, will come
Speaker 1: build here, covered over by volcano. Everybody forgets in the
Speaker 1: cycle repeats again, and that's where Pompeii found itself and
Speaker 1: by s and so on this day the earth rumbles
Speaker 1: And I want to direct you to this really great
Speaker 1: website called open Culture and just search Destruction of Pompeii
Speaker 1: Open Culture, and they have a video it's like eight
Speaker 1: minutes long, which is basically like a It's like they
Speaker 1: placed a camera in the c g I world of
Speaker 1: um Pompeii just and trained it on Vesuvius and left
Speaker 1: it running for twenty four hours. And um, it really
Speaker 1: gets to point across of how destructive this this event
Speaker 1: would have been. Yeah, I think we I think you
Speaker 1: shouted that very same thing out on super Volcanoes. Had
Speaker 1: to have It's a really cool video. If you have
Speaker 1: you seen it, Yeah, yeah, I saw it after you
Speaker 1: shouted it out. Yeah. I watched it again this morning,
Speaker 1: and I think just from researching all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: that really drove it home even more. It was kind
Speaker 1: of unsettling to watch this time, you know for sure.
Speaker 1: So uh, a little afternoon on is when this, um,
Speaker 1: when this when the champagne cork popped. Uh. And they
Speaker 1: were not ready for this. Uh, Like we said, just
Speaker 1: because of all the aforementioned reasons. Um. And the only
Speaker 1: account or one of the only accounts we have is
Speaker 1: we've talked about Plenty the Elder and his nephew, Plenty
Speaker 1: the Younger before. Uh, they were not there. They were
Speaker 1: in my see Him, which is not too far away.
Speaker 1: It was on the northwestern edge of the Bay of Naples,
Speaker 1: but that's where Plenty the Elder was stationed. And then
Speaker 1: Plenty of the younger and his mom were there as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: And apparently when this started to go down, Um, Plenty
Speaker 1: the Elder got a message from a friend saying, hey,
Speaker 1: can you come and get me. It's going down. And
Speaker 1: he took off to go, and plenty the younger was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay here, which was a pretty smart move. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and what how do you pronounce that town? I
Speaker 1: never tried my scene him? Is that right? Okay? So
Speaker 1: he and his mom were there, and it's not really close.
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as like Pompeii is concerned. Pompei
Speaker 1: is way closer to Vesuvius than mycene him is. But
Speaker 1: they still had an extremely harrowing um experience there on
Speaker 1: mycene him too, just from the fallout from Vesuvius um,
Speaker 1: even though Pompeii and Herculaneum and um uh Stabbia all
Speaker 1: got the worst of it um plenty the younger's account,
Speaker 1: it's the only firsthand account of the eruption of Vesuvius.
Speaker 1: Then um it's pretty scary stuff. Like he says, like
Speaker 1: the sky went dark, but not dark, like the moon
Speaker 1: wasn't out, or there weren't any stars. He said, It's
Speaker 1: suddenly got dark like somebody put a light out in
Speaker 1: an enclosed room, like that kind of dark, like apparently
Speaker 1: you couldn't see people just a few feet ahead of you.
Speaker 1: They just got real dark, real fast. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: can you can read his entire account online. But here's
Speaker 1: another nice pull quote. You could hear the shrieks of women,
Speaker 1: the wailing of infants, and the shouting of men. There
Speaker 1: were some who prayed for death. In their terror of dying,
Speaker 1: many besought the aid of the gods. But still more
Speaker 1: imagine there were no God's left, and that the universe
Speaker 1: was plunged into eternal darkness forever more. It's pretty grim, geez.
Speaker 1: So this is again in Messenti Um, I think I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that right still him my seeing him um
Speaker 1: and Pompeii, the situation is much much, much worse. And
Speaker 1: Pliny the Younger was saying that they were kind of
Speaker 1: huddled in I think a house or something somewhere. But
Speaker 1: even in this house, the ash that was like accumulating
Speaker 1: around them and on top of them was so much
Speaker 1: that they had to stand up every once in a
Speaker 1: while and shake it off. It was again much worse
Speaker 1: in Pompeii itself. There's a lot of ash falling and
Speaker 1: covering people inside their houses and under structures, and either
Speaker 1: you stay there and start to worry about getting buried,
Speaker 1: or even worse, you start to worry about the roof
Speaker 1: collapsing under the weight of all that gathering ash and pummice,
Speaker 1: or you risk going out and being hit by one
Speaker 1: of those pummice rocks, which if you've ever picked up
Speaker 1: a volcanic rock, it is way lighter because it's very porous,
Speaker 1: way lighter than a like a sedimentary rock of the
Speaker 1: same size. But you still wouldn't want to get hit
Speaker 1: in the head by one of those things after it's
Speaker 1: falling twenty miles out of the sky. And this is
Speaker 1: actually what they think. Um the height that this ejective
Speaker 1: coming out of the volcano reached was twenty miles or
Speaker 1: something like thirty two kilometers, I think. Yeah, So here's
Speaker 1: here's a couple of stats for you. Um ash was
Speaker 1: falling at a rate of about six inches an hour,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, that's if you imagine that as rain,
Speaker 1: and if you've ever seen a rain like that, that's
Speaker 1: an unbelievable amount of rain. So imagine that is ashuh
Speaker 1: lava was flowing at about sixty eight miles an hour
Speaker 1: by the time it started sailing down the hillside, right right.
Speaker 1: So so you've got a few things you've got the
Speaker 1: first explosion, the eruption, where like you said, the court
Speaker 1: goes off, the ejective goes into the air. Pliny described
Speaker 1: it as like a great pine tree with a big
Speaker 1: long trunk, and then way up high it branches out,
Speaker 1: and those are now called pliny in eruptions um. And
Speaker 1: then later on from all this activity, the the cone
Speaker 1: of the volcano collapses, and when that happened, it shot
Speaker 1: out this pyroclastic flow, which is made up of ash
Speaker 1: and hot gas. From between. I think I saw four
Speaker 1: hundred to fiftundred degrees fahrenheight, which is um a substantial
Speaker 1: amount in celsius too. That's the that's the that's the translation,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like you said, flowing. I saw a
Speaker 1: hundred miles an hour. You saw sixty three miles. But
Speaker 1: I mean that's one of those that's one of those
Speaker 1: things that I'm sure you know they can't really tell exactly,
Speaker 1: but at any rate that it's going to be super fast,
Speaker 1: super fast, super hot. And they think now, before they
Speaker 1: thought that everybody in Pompeii died from being covered in
Speaker 1: ash um, they think now that they actually died much
Speaker 1: more quickly than that. Right when that priorro clastic flow
Speaker 1: was anywhere near them, especially when it overtook them, it
Speaker 1: would have killed them instantly, which actually is we'll see
Speaker 1: accounts for some of the faces that we've have been
Speaker 1: found around on the people of the Pompeii victims. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they even think, and by the way, we went
Speaker 1: right past the fact that pyrocastic flow is a great,
Speaker 1: great band name. It really is. Uh but they even
Speaker 1: think now that most of them died from head injuries
Speaker 1: even before that even happened. Oh really, I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, well we'll get to that. I'll just
Speaker 1: though there's a tease. Uh. So this is shortly after
Speaker 1: midnight is when herculan a Um was covered and obliterated.
Speaker 1: About six thirty a m. The following morning is when
Speaker 1: Pompeii started getting hit with this flow. The whole thing
Speaker 1: takes about twenty five hours for all, for about two
Speaker 1: plus square miles to get completely destroyed. Yeah, and it
Speaker 1: in nineteen hours. It shot out something like one cubic
Speaker 1: mile of rock and ash out of that volcano a
Speaker 1: cubic mile. Imagine looking up and seeing a mile cube
Speaker 1: and it's just all coming down on you well, and
Speaker 1: again seeing this and not like not even knowing what
Speaker 1: a volcano is, Yeah, it makes it any scarier, I guess.
Speaker 1: But they must have thought the world was ending. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean if they thought there were no more gods,
Speaker 1: I would guess that that that they would think like, well,
Speaker 1: this is it, this is the end of middle um. Uh.
Speaker 1: Plenty of the younger two wrote about uh about the water,
Speaker 1: the sea retreating as I pushed by the earthquakes. And
Speaker 1: so the thought now is is that it also caused
Speaker 1: a tsunami at the climax of this eruption. So now
Speaker 1: imagine you know, the Bay of Naples flowing inland while
Speaker 1: all of this destruction is raining down around you, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you definitely think the world is there's actually
Speaker 1: there's a very famous beach at Herculaneum, uh where there's
Speaker 1: a lot of there were a lot of bodies found,
Speaker 1: and there's a thirty ft boat that was just kind
Speaker 1: of like jammed up against them. And I guess that
Speaker 1: would have been from the tsunami. It would have brought
Speaker 1: it in well. And that's apparently just to finish up
Speaker 1: with Plenty of the elder he did initially he was
Speaker 1: going to go out in a big boat and kind
Speaker 1: of just get a better look at what was going on.
Speaker 1: But when he got this message from his friends saying, hey,
Speaker 1: come rescue us, Uh, he got in a fast boat
Speaker 1: as sailing cutter, and which is probably was his end
Speaker 1: because by the time they got there, the winds were
Speaker 1: blowing in a weird direction apparently. Uh, the way they
Speaker 1: usually blow it would have blown a lot of this
Speaker 1: out to sea, but unusually it was blowing in in
Speaker 1: the opposite direction that day, So a lot of things
Speaker 1: kind of came together for you know, the worst possible scenario.
Speaker 1: But um, so plenty of the elder gets nearby, I think,
Speaker 1: um they landed it. Uh pompa Pampa neanis I think
Speaker 1: it was at Stabbia. Oh where plenty of the Elder landed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: his friend was pomp pomp Panius. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: that was who's going to rescue and Pompannius was at Stabbia,
Speaker 1: this little super ultra wealthy resort area. Yeah. So, uh
Speaker 1: they couldn't get out of there basically because of their
Speaker 1: I think their boat was so light and they kept
Speaker 1: pushing them back in and um apparently said Hey, let's
Speaker 1: ride it out here. That's where only choice and he was,
Speaker 1: he basically died. They couldn't get him up in the
Speaker 1: theory for a while that is that he died of
Speaker 1: inhaling toxic fumes. But now modern historians and scientists are saying,
Speaker 1: now he was fat and kind of old and out
Speaker 1: of shape and he died of a heart attack. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the consensus among historians today is that he
Speaker 1: was boss hog esque, good way to put it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a that's a not a good end for
Speaker 1: Pliny the Elder, But um, that's kind of cool to
Speaker 1: be able to say, like, yeah, I died at Pompeii?
Speaker 1: Is it? I was a super famous dude in the
Speaker 1: Roman world, and where did I find my end? Pompeii
Speaker 1: another famous thing in the Roman world. That's how you'd
Speaker 1: say that kind of thing. I think it's neat. So
Speaker 1: Pliny the Elder died. Pliny the Younger lived, though, and
Speaker 1: we know about all of this because again he was
Speaker 1: an eyewitness. He was also a historian, a statesman, just
Speaker 1: all around smart dude. But he didn't write his um
Speaker 1: his letter to Tacitus the Historian for like twenty seven
Speaker 1: years after the fact, and so, um, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he just heard Tacitus was getting a history
Speaker 1: together and he wanted to contribute, or what what the
Speaker 1: what the difference was, or what the deal was with
Speaker 1: the gap. But there is a lot of um, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of disagreement about whether his date of August
Speaker 1: is the correct one. The reason everyone says August twenty
Speaker 1: is because he wrote that in the letter, he said
Speaker 1: that this happened on August twenty. The thing is, apparently
Speaker 1: there are other drafts of his letter that same letter
Speaker 1: that either didn't give the date or gave a different
Speaker 1: date later on, I think of November twenty four. And
Speaker 1: then there's a lot of actual circumstantial evidence that suggests
Speaker 1: that this actually took place either on October twenty or
Speaker 1: November twenty four rather than augusty. So there's things like
Speaker 1: there was a there was a just an inordinate amount
Speaker 1: of pomegranates and figs and nuts found around the town,
Speaker 1: which would suggest that the harvest had just happened the
Speaker 1: autumn harvest, which you wouldn't have done in August. U
Speaker 1: there's a coin that that had a um a title
Speaker 1: of Caesar that wasn't bestowed until September of seventy nine,
Speaker 1: so that coin, Yeah, that coin shouldn't have existed. There's
Speaker 1: there's all this evidence that's coming together that says no,
Speaker 1: it actually probably was either October November, but it's just
Speaker 1: been August for so long now that it's going to
Speaker 1: be another ten twenty years before everybody's like it happened
Speaker 1: in October and November. Yeah, and truth be told, that's
Speaker 1: sort of one of those things that wonky archaeologists would
Speaker 1: argue over. I hear it, and I think, what's a
Speaker 1: couple of months really, you know, but I just think
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really fascinating that that they found a
Speaker 1: coin and they said, Okay, this coin shouldn't exist. And
Speaker 1: the reason why because because there was um there was
Speaker 1: a like Britain was conquered by the Romans a little
Speaker 1: around like around that time, and so they minted a
Speaker 1: coin to honor that. And because that coin shows up
Speaker 1: and POMPEII we can date when Vesuvius erupted more accurately.
Speaker 1: That to me is it's just eye popping, like, look
Speaker 1: at my eyes, good old fashioned police work. So either one,
Speaker 1: so Vesuvius has spoken Pompeii has now gone. It's covered
Speaker 1: in something like um, I believe ten meters like about
Speaker 1: thirty ft of ash and pummice. Yeah, I've seen all
Speaker 1: kinds of anywhere from like eight to so it's covered
Speaker 1: up a lot of And I don't know if we
Speaker 1: said this or not, but um, of the twenty thousand people,
Speaker 1: about eighteen thousand of those residents left when there was
Speaker 1: the first sign of trouble, because again Vesuvius gave plenty
Speaker 1: of warning. But there were about two thousand people in
Speaker 1: the town of Pompeii itself when Vesuvius went off and
Speaker 1: covered the town. But now it's everything's calm, it's quiet,
Speaker 1: Vesuvius is quiet again, and Pompeii herculaneum stabia applautas they're gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think about two total people in the region died.
Speaker 1: Oh really that many? Huh yeah, among that, you know,
Speaker 1: the two square miles. So so this the the whole
Speaker 1: area has just been radically changed. Um. And these cities
Speaker 1: were so lost that even the people who stayed in
Speaker 1: the area and continued to live there, they lost track
Speaker 1: of exactly where Pompeii was, and they stopped talking about it.
Speaker 1: Eventually there's another city named Pompei that was founded many
Speaker 1: many years later. That's the modern Pompeii. And if they
Speaker 1: ever even referenced Pompeii, they just called it uh lah
Speaker 1: chi vita the city, and they just knew that there
Speaker 1: was a lost city somewhere in the area. And that's
Speaker 1: how things stayed for about the next um seventeen hundred years.
Speaker 1: That's right, And you want to take a break, yes,
Speaker 1: all right, Well we'll get into the discovery of Pompeii
Speaker 1: after this. Watch sk sk all right, dude, we're back.
Speaker 1: That's right. So what we've got here as far as
Speaker 1: Roman history pre POMPEII and post Pompeii, UH is they've
Speaker 1: focused a lot on um what they would call the
Speaker 1: important people of society, so military stuff, wealthy people, political stuff.
Speaker 1: They didn't say, like, hey, maybe be valuable to record
Speaker 1: what it's like for um, everyday people of Rome because
Speaker 1: they didn't care. That's why Pompeii and the the rediscovery
Speaker 1: and the excavation over the years has been so important
Speaker 1: is because all of these a lot of these people
Speaker 1: and in the shops and all the homes and the
Speaker 1: art were really well preserved. Uh, once they started digging
Speaker 1: into this stuff, which was a pretty remarkable flind and
Speaker 1: continues to be. Yeah. Plus, um, Rome was around for
Speaker 1: so long. It has been around for so long that
Speaker 1: it evolved, right, So over time, what Rome once was
Speaker 1: culturally historically um is kind of lost and replaced as
Speaker 1: the culture itself evolves in ages. And apparently it grew
Speaker 1: more and more conservative the longer it was around. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that Pompeii also gives us the
Speaker 1: snapshot of Roman culture before it became conservative, and it
Speaker 1: was hyper sexual at the time when Pompeii was covered over.
Speaker 1: So that was another thing because at the time, until
Speaker 1: Pompeii was discovered, UM, everyone considered Rome, ancient Rome as
Speaker 1: this very staid, conservative civilization. And then they started to
Speaker 1: discover this stuff from pompeign and we're like, whoa, what
Speaker 1: were these people into back then? Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of highly erotic art. Yeah, I saw a statue of
Speaker 1: the god pan having graphics sex with a goat, like
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty realistic statue. And they found that they
Speaker 1: dug that out of Pompeii pretty early on. And there's
Speaker 1: phalluses they found everywhere. Some people put fallacies on their houses,
Speaker 1: like sticking out into the street. Um there was pre Apiss,
Speaker 1: which is a lesser god who um was extraordinarily unsettlingly
Speaker 1: well endowed. Um, there was just a lot of fertility
Speaker 1: stuff and a lot of just explicit sexuality in their
Speaker 1: in their artwork back then. And Rome eventually moved on
Speaker 1: past that, and it had been forgotten until Pompeii gave
Speaker 1: up its secrets. Yeah, so uh kind of immediately afterward
Speaker 1: up until about the seventeen hundreds throughout and like I said,
Speaker 1: like you said, it was kind of forgotten for a
Speaker 1: little while. But during this whole long period of time,
Speaker 1: Pompeii was kind of essentially rated again and again by
Speaker 1: either um, you know, people hunting for valuables or kings
Speaker 1: and queens who wanted to plunder things, you know, like
Speaker 1: statues and stuff for their own palaces. And this sort
Speaker 1: of happened again and again throughout history until about the
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, when like legit archaeology really started to happen
Speaker 1: where they could go in there with the name and
Speaker 1: actually preserving some of the stuff. Yeah. I think the
Speaker 1: earliest ones were the king, the Bourbon King, Charles, the
Speaker 1: third who. It was discovered under his watch in seventeen
Speaker 1: forty eight. And then the French came into the area,
Speaker 1: and by this time they were crazy about archaeology thanks
Speaker 1: to their fascination with Egypt, so they brought in some
Speaker 1: pretty good practices. But even still, I mean, compared to
Speaker 1: what archaeologists know and do today, this is pretty hokey,
Speaker 1: basic backward archaeological methodology. Yeah. Like even when they started
Speaker 1: to do it right, Uh, they just weren't as advance
Speaker 1: as we are today. Um. But things kind of change
Speaker 1: for the better when a man named Giuseppe Fiorelli came
Speaker 1: along in eighteen sixty and he said, hey, I'm in
Speaker 1: charge now. UM, I'm gonna get in here and try
Speaker 1: and do it right. I'm gonna be way more careful.
Speaker 1: My team is going to be more careful. We're gonna
Speaker 1: record all the positions of people, everything that we find.
Speaker 1: And that's when it that's when it really legitimized, um
Speaker 1: kind of what was going on as far as excavation goes. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he also made his name most famously for what
Speaker 1: ended up being named after him, the Fiarelli process is
Speaker 1: when he saw these you know, every you know everything's
Speaker 1: kind ever an ash and hardened, so they had they
Speaker 1: were basically encased in these you know, over the years,
Speaker 1: the bodies would run away, and so they were encased
Speaker 1: in these hollow cavities. The people were and dogs and
Speaker 1: you know, all sorts of animals. So he said, why
Speaker 1: don't we inject this, guess, so this plaster into these
Speaker 1: cavities and see what we come up with. And what
Speaker 1: he came up with very famously, We're we're the uh well,
Speaker 1: we're the people of POMPEII, like more than a thousand
Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, do you remember our Molderrama episode that
Speaker 1: just came out. I do remember that. So when these
Speaker 1: people were covered in that ash and their bodies rotted away,
Speaker 1: it left what is effectively emold, and he filled it
Speaker 1: with that that plaster and made plaster casts of them,
Speaker 1: right and and apparently really detailed once I saw him,
Speaker 1: But I didn't see anything as detailed as like Ed
Speaker 1: points out that you can see like the um the
Speaker 1: design somebody had shaved into their pubic hair. That's pretty
Speaker 1: pretty detailed plaster cast of a dead person from two
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. Um, there was you can very famously see,
Speaker 1: um a man like agony on a man's face, like
Speaker 1: like you just captured at the moment of death, just
Speaker 1: basically flash frozen a lot like Hansolo and carbonite. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a huge, huge find and it
Speaker 1: just kind of shook the world, and uh, reproductions and
Speaker 1: photos of all these casts became the sensation of the
Speaker 1: day all over the world. Um. Like I said, there's
Speaker 1: a very famous one of a dog kind of writhing
Speaker 1: in pain on his back. It's one of the more
Speaker 1: sad ones. It looked like he had a collar onto
Speaker 1: which is interesting although that I've later seen where that
Speaker 1: might have been a fake, which I don't fully understand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen that at all because there were no
Speaker 1: bones inside of it. Uh so they're not quite sure
Speaker 1: about that one. But um, they're just some really sad
Speaker 1: ones of like what is clearly a mother like holding
Speaker 1: her child. Um, families and couples and embrace and like
Speaker 1: horrific embrace. Uh And it's just really kind of sad
Speaker 1: to look through these these photos and they kept finding them,
Speaker 1: like all over the place. They were just groups of
Speaker 1: people huddled. When they would excavate a house, uh, they
Speaker 1: would they would find bodies quite frequently, and like you said,
Speaker 1: like in that that that those embraces just caught in
Speaker 1: their last moment, like their literal last moment was just
Speaker 1: caught in time. So it was it was quite a
Speaker 1: fine and like you said, it really definitely caught the
Speaker 1: imagination of the rest of the world. Um, so much
Speaker 1: so that there was like a Greek neo classical revival
Speaker 1: in the Enlightenment period because everyone had Pompey fever when
Speaker 1: it was discovered Pompey fever. Pompey fever catch it. So
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I guess a few years
Speaker 1: ago now, a group did CT scans on some of
Speaker 1: these casts about I think thirty or forty of them
Speaker 1: and that dog and that boar uh, and they this
Speaker 1: provide it just a lot more detail of um. So
Speaker 1: if you like, you can look at the casts and
Speaker 1: then look at the CT scan and it kind of
Speaker 1: brings it to life. Uh. And they found it revealed
Speaker 1: a few really interesting things. UM. One is that the
Speaker 1: people of Pompeii had almost perfect teeth, which had been
Speaker 1: really unusual at the time. And they think it's because
Speaker 1: they ate a lot of fruits and vegetables. Very little sugar,
Speaker 1: and that the water was heavily fluoridated, so they all
Speaker 1: had really like nice straight teeth. Um. And then what
Speaker 1: I was talking about the head injuries. This is there's
Speaker 1: an article in the Atlantic called How the People of
Speaker 1: Pompei Really Died, And almost all of these CT scans
Speaker 1: revealed that they had head injuries from getting you know,
Speaker 1: smashed in the head from this volcanic rock. What a
Speaker 1: way to go. Yeah, although I guess it would be
Speaker 1: quick right well, either way, even if it's that, or
Speaker 1: if it's um what you were saying, it's not the
Speaker 1: slow suffocating death that they used to think it was,
Speaker 1: which is way better. Um. I saw also check there
Speaker 1: was an excavation of like a latrine, I guess, and
Speaker 1: and just a normal housing block where poor people or
Speaker 1: middle class workers would have lived. And um, they found
Speaker 1: evidence of really great diets. And they think that the
Speaker 1: people of Pompeii, the rich people actually probably ate a
Speaker 1: little worse because they ate slightly richer food. But uh,
Speaker 1: everyone there, including the lower classes, were very like well
Speaker 1: fed on very healthy foods, basically like the Mediterranean diet
Speaker 1: like you think of today. Um. And that they were
Speaker 1: also taller on average than the citizens of the area today. Interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's usually the exact opposite if you think about it.
Speaker 1: You know, George Washington four ft tall. Everybody knows that
Speaker 1: they They also found in some of the um I
Speaker 1: think the runoff into the drainage systems or something they found.
Speaker 1: You know, you were talking about the rich people eating
Speaker 1: more exotic meats. They found evidence at the eight Sea urchin.
Speaker 1: So I'll give him that because people eat that flamingo
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that one. I know it's coming there. Giraffe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who looks at a giraffe and says, I wonder what
Speaker 1: that tastes like? And then does it? Follows through on it?
Speaker 1: It's the following through part that really knocks my socks off.
Speaker 1: So those are some recent excavations, right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: this is the kind of stuff that has come out
Speaker 1: with things like DNA analysis. Okay, so so this is
Speaker 1: extraordinarily new as far as Pompey goes. POMPEII is it's
Speaker 1: really cool because it's got its ancient history when it
Speaker 1: was covered over by Vesuvius, but then it also has
Speaker 1: a secondary history of its discovery and then it's it's
Speaker 1: excavations since then, and apparently it's the longest continuously excavated
Speaker 1: site in the world as far as archaeology goes. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't I wouldn't be surprised. It is extraordinarily big Um
Speaker 1: and the the fact that it's been around for so long,
Speaker 1: it's been excavated for so long, it was basically there
Speaker 1: when archaeology was born. Archaeological techniques that have been developed
Speaker 1: over the age have all been tried and tested and
Speaker 1: frequently discarded at Pompeii UH And as a result, a
Speaker 1: lot of those early ones that were just just not
Speaker 1: very smart have actually had a They've had a pretty
Speaker 1: tough effect on the town. Like um, the frescoes. They
Speaker 1: discovered frescoes, which are paintings on plaster walls all over
Speaker 1: the town. Most houses had really beautiful frescoes, and the
Speaker 1: workers were like, well, these are gonna flake off. This
Speaker 1: is back in the nineties, so we need to we
Speaker 1: need to do something. So they covered him in paraffin wax,
Speaker 1: which I guess it makes sense. It's covered in wax.
Speaker 1: We can figure out what to do with it later.
Speaker 1: Maybe we never will, but you can still kind of
Speaker 1: see through it. The problem is that the pigments bonded
Speaker 1: to the wax, not just rubbed off, like molecularly bonded
Speaker 1: with the wax. And then as water grew behind the
Speaker 1: walls and seeped through the walls behind the painting, it
Speaker 1: pushed the painting off the walls onto the wax. So
Speaker 1: now if you want to get this wax off, they
Speaker 1: finally developed a technique where you can use a laser
Speaker 1: that just removes the wax and leaves the pigment. But um,
Speaker 1: that's extraordinarily new to I think just in the last
Speaker 1: couple of years they started using that. Before then they
Speaker 1: would do things like use gasoline and stuff to get
Speaker 1: the wax off and it would just take the fresco
Speaker 1: clean off. Yeah, I'm surprised there's anything left between being
Speaker 1: continually rated um, earthquakes since then, World War Two, since then, vandals, tourists, rainwater. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's just like it's been just beaten up for thousand,
Speaker 1: you know, like a couple of thousand years now. But there's,
Speaker 1: like you in there, there's still a lot of stuff there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is. I think they they've uncovered two thirds of it,
Speaker 1: they think, and so they've gotten to this point now
Speaker 1: where they're like, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Speaker 1: I think in the nineteen nineties, whoever was the director
Speaker 1: of archaeology at Pompey said we need to stop excavating.
Speaker 1: We're gonna leave the what's left for later generations who
Speaker 1: have better techniques to to uncover, and we're going to
Speaker 1: focus on preserving what's here now. Um, which is a
Speaker 1: big deal because it's a World Heritage site. And UNESCO
Speaker 1: basically came in in two thirteen and they effectively condemned it.
Speaker 1: Like what a city would do to a building that
Speaker 1: was falling down. That's what you meant new Unesco did
Speaker 1: to the Pompey site. They said, this this thing is toast,
Speaker 1: it's it's they put it on the Endanger List. Uh.
Speaker 1: And one of the big reasons is is tourists, Well,
Speaker 1: while when you're there you're like, are are you sure
Speaker 1: I'm allowed to be sitting on this thing and taking
Speaker 1: a funny picture or I'm I'm really allowed to walk
Speaker 1: through here? They let you go almost everywhere on that site,
Speaker 1: touch everything, run around. It's it's just like a big
Speaker 1: playground basically, and you have to stop and remind yourself, wait,
Speaker 1: this is an archaeological site in operations still and um
Speaker 1: they they the the fact that tourists have been allowed
Speaker 1: to do that for so long, it's had a huge
Speaker 1: effect on the deterioration of the site itself too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well not only that, but it's um, it's been corrupt
Speaker 1: over the years, the management of these ruins. UM. A
Speaker 1: lot of the structures have collapsed over time completely and
Speaker 1: gone away. And then finally in two thousand and twelve,
Speaker 1: the EU and the Italian government finally got together and said, listen,
Speaker 1: we need to really reinvest in this in this find here,
Speaker 1: and it's called the Great Pompeii Project, and they invested
Speaker 1: about a hundred hundred and five million euros to try
Speaker 1: and repair and preserve what they have left. UM. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised they haven't closed down more parts of it, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, you can still go everywhere. But what
Speaker 1: they have done is restored a lot of these frescoes
Speaker 1: and mosaics, like you were saying, Um, a lot of
Speaker 1: the best work has been done in the last five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: easily to try and get this thing preserved as much
Speaker 1: as they can at this point. Yeah. And one of
Speaker 1: the things that got them going was the um the
Speaker 1: gladiator school, which is a pretty big structure that housed
Speaker 1: the gladiators where they trained in town, and it it crumbled,
Speaker 1: it felt it turned into ruins um because it had
Speaker 1: gotten eroded I think by drainage. And one of the
Speaker 1: things they're figuring out now is that there was a
Speaker 1: pretty decent sewer system underneath these towns, but that pyroclastic
Speaker 1: flow covered it all up, so the water has nowhere
Speaker 1: to go but over the ruins. And over the last
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years it's eroded some of these buildings.
Speaker 1: That's another thing they're dealing with. Two. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if you said enough of the Herculaneum conservation project,
Speaker 1: did you mention that, uh, the Great Pompei or the
Speaker 1: Herculaneum the Herculaneum. So there's a there's like a model
Speaker 1: for for dealing with these sites, to preserve these sites,
Speaker 1: and it's in Herculaneum. It was apparently worse off than
Speaker 1: pomp Pay for a long time, and the public private
Speaker 1: partnership took control of the thing, and now it's like
Speaker 1: the model of how to how to rescue sites like this.
Speaker 1: So it's possible that Pompeii project will will be successful
Speaker 1: and in like twenty years there will probably be walkways
Speaker 1: everywhere that are raised above ground and you won't be
Speaker 1: able to touch anything. Um. I would guess if you
Speaker 1: want to be able to touch Pompey, you should go
Speaker 1: in the next few years, because I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna keep allowing that for much longer. If you want
Speaker 1: to touch Pompeii, if you want to touch it, do
Speaker 1: you got anything else? Well, it's Pompey, man, we did
Speaker 1: it finally. Okay, Well, if you want to touch Pompeii,
Speaker 1: you should go to Pompeii. Uh. And in the mean time,
Speaker 1: while you're waiting to do that, you should type pomp
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this Artifacts and our Monuments from Germany. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: just finish the episode on public monument removal and it
Speaker 1: was fantastic as usual. It made me think of the
Speaker 1: monument removal in other parts of the world, in particular
Speaker 1: in Germany. Comes to mind because I studied German all
Speaker 1: through high school and college to a study abroad there
Speaker 1: first summer. The way German street. Their Nazi history is different. UM.
Speaker 1: By no means an expert, but as I understand that
Speaker 1: they do everything in their power to prevent their citizens
Speaker 1: from idolizing or idealizing Nazi Germany. UM, you can't buy
Speaker 1: mind comp which I think that's true. Didn't it? I
Speaker 1: think so. There are no statues or monuments of any kind.
Speaker 1: They're not sanitizing their history or pretending it didn't happen,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to commemorate it either. Anyway. In
Speaker 1: honor of today being the day the Berlin Wall has
Speaker 1: has been gone longer than it was up, I'd like
Speaker 1: to recommend that you see the movie Goodbye Lennon if
Speaker 1: you haven't never seen it. It's great. It takes place
Speaker 1: when the Berlin Wall comes down in the first year
Speaker 1: or so after during German reunification. Funny and thoughtful and
Speaker 1: sad and just really really good. It's one of my
Speaker 1: favorite movies. And no spoilers, but it has my favorite
Speaker 1: scene ever of a monument being removed. UM and I
Speaker 1: looked it up. It was I think it was nominated
Speaker 1: for Golden Globe for Best Foreign Film and a host
Speaker 1: of other like Baptis and European Awards. So it looks
Speaker 1: pretty good. Um, look forward to you in the new episodes.
Speaker 1: And that is from Ellie. Nice. Thanks a lot, Ellie
Speaker 1: appreciate that email, very thoughtful. I don't think Germany was
Speaker 1: even allowed to have a flag for a while. I'm
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