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Speaker 1: Hey guys, we were back on Normally the show with

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Speaker 1: normalish takes for when the news gets weird and it

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Speaker 1: is a very cold Inauguration Day edition of Normally. I'm

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Speaker 1: here with as always.

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Speaker 2: Carol Marko. It's nice to talk to you, MK. Can't

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Speaker 2: wait to hear your impressions of Inauguration Day.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I was a little skeptical of moving

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Speaker 1: when it's very cold, and I'm a woosen the cold,

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Speaker 1: so you'd think I would support it, But I was

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Speaker 1: worried about sort.

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Speaker 2: Of the same girl name.

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Speaker 1: I was worried about the sort of majesty. I was

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Speaker 1: worried about people not getting to see what they had

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Speaker 1: traveled to see, many from very far away, and many

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Speaker 1: people who had spent a long time supporting the president. However,

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Speaker 1: it was bone chilling outside. It was really nasty, definitely.

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Speaker 1: It actually snowed yesterday while we were on air at

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Speaker 1: various times in sleated, and it was icy, and it

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Speaker 1: Rotunda experience was really beautiful. I of course was not

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Speaker 1: among the six hundred invited inside the rotunda, but it

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Speaker 1: was beautiful watching it on TV and covering it.

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Speaker 2: Love it. But I saw you were at some parties.

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Speaker 2: I saw you met. Who did you meet?

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Speaker 1: I met Connor McGregor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Connor McGregor was great celebrity spotting. I would get

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Speaker 2: my picture taken with him. I know who he is.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, that's you know, he's really famous because he's

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Speaker 1: a he's the fighter that everyone knows, right. He's like

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Speaker 1: it was funny. I was talking to at It was

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Speaker 1: at the Free Press party the night before the inauguration,

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Speaker 1: and I was talking to an Atlantic reporter who was like,

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Speaker 1: my husband says, there's some famous fighter around here. And

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Speaker 1: so my husband and I, who are both UFC fans,

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Speaker 1: here's the fun part, Carol, someone who works in his team,

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Speaker 1: This is a great lesson about like being nice to

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Speaker 1: folks throughout your career, no matter which job they have. YEA,

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Speaker 1: someone on his team says Connor, I want you to

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Speaker 1: meet Mary Catherine Ham. Amazing, And I go what because

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Speaker 1: we were just trying to sneak over and get a selfie, right,

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Speaker 1: And it turns out it was a young man who

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Speaker 1: doing radio in like twenty eleven, and so we did

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Speaker 1: need to meet him and it was fantastic. So I

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Speaker 2: She's amazing, she was a blast. I knew you guys

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Speaker 2: you have to meet my co host Mary Catherine Ham,

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Speaker 2: and I just I knew that would be a loved connection.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I could definitely hang out with her

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Speaker 1: But anyway, so a little a couple of celebrity sightings

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Speaker 2: Right, well, it sounds like a really good time. The

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Speaker 2: only thing I remember about Connor McGregor I feel like

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Speaker 1: Well, that's funny. I'm sure I'm at the end of

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Speaker 1: this weekend blanking on something that I definitely should remember.

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Speaker 2: Something. Yeah, he like just knocked his shoulder into someone's nose.

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Speaker 1: Well, and there is something that's actually a good segue

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Speaker 1: to the like the differentiation between the Trump celebrations and

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Speaker 2: It's actually amazing how really normal and traditional and stayed.

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Speaker 1: It was, it was, and this was not.

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Speaker 2: This was not weird shit. This was really really normal

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought that his speech had sort of two halves.

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Speaker 1: this moment, and it was exemplified by Biden. Will get

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Speaker 1: into this the details of it, but it was exemplified

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Speaker 1: by Biden pardoning his entire family as he was arriving

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Speaker 1: for this August ceremony. That's right, just disgraceful. Ignominious behavior

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Speaker 2: I mentioned to my fourteen year old daughter that Biden

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Speaker 2: Fourteen years old knows this.

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Speaker 1: appreciated his mentioning of North Carolina. He's just done it

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Speaker 1: These are all fair things to point out. I think

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was just great. I look, it's

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Speaker 2: an optimistic moment. It's a moment that we really need

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Speaker 2: someone to bring us a little bit closer together. That

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Speaker 2: that person is Donenald Trump is a surprise to me

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Speaker 2: It is Donald Trump, but somehow it's Donald Trump yanking

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Speaker 1: Well, and he's explicitly thanked the new minority voters that

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Speaker 1: he did a video and just said, look, made it

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Speaker 1: very simple. Obama didn't put money in my pocket. Kamala

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's important.

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Speaker 1: The idea that people will say that out loud. Who

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some might call it a vibe shift.

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Speaker 1: Did we talk about that. Oscar de la Renta is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that. I think that that's a really

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Speaker 3: you know, even even me, the old cynic I got

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Speaker 1: It is something that frankly, we've been hoping for that

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Speaker 4: But if you get the band aids, she had three

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Speaker 1: But to see her carrying her kiddo up there and

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Speaker 2: It really was, and it was so relatable. They're just

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Speaker 2: a very relatable couple. I saw you tweet about whether

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Speaker 2: or not he was getting to watch the football game

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Speaker 2: he went to Notre Dame or he went to Ohio.

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Speaker 1: He went to it. He went, let me help you,

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Speaker 2: Help me, help me please. The thing is the fact

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Speaker 1: You knew that there was a football game, and you

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Speaker 1: knew at least part of the name of each school.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, so tried, Yeah, that makes sense. He went

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Speaker 1: Style, right, he went to They actually referred to it

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Speaker 2: And you for letting us know when to start that search.

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Speaker 2: that's criminal. So it really does make you think, what

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Speaker 2: And none of that is criminal, right, It's all all

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Speaker 1: Yes, perhaps we shall find out. Did you see also

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Speaker 2: And the fact you know that all of this follows

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Speaker 2: All of that is just the scan to end all scandals.

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Speaker 1: Normally, should we go into a little bit of Trump's

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Speaker 1: This is the app that allowed illegal immigrants to claim

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Speaker 1: administration's nonsense off the books, getting the federal government out

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Speaker 1: of things that shouldn't be doing and into the things

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Speaker 1: it should be. And so it's been an active day

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Speaker 1: and it ended with some pardons.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he pardoned almost all of the January sixth participants,

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Speaker 2: and he commuted is it three sentences.

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Speaker 1: It's a handful. It's like between three and six. I've

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Speaker 1: been seeing different numbers. But he shortened the prison terms

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Speaker 1: for rioters convicted of violence against police and issued sweeping

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Speaker 1: pardons for scores of other defendants who participated in the

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Speaker 1: January sixth siege on the Capitol. Is what NPR calls it.

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Speaker 1: I do think not the violent ones, right, Like, I'm

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Speaker 1: fine with reassessing these cases. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: people's civil liberties were abused. I think that even Enrique Tario,

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Speaker 1: who's the Proud Boys chairman, got twenty two years because

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't take a plea deal that was like six

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Speaker 1: years or something, right, So he was punished for going

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Speaker 1: to trial, which I don't think should happen. A bunch

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Speaker 1: of people's info was dragneted so that they could find

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Speaker 1: the thousands of people who were within the vicinity of

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Speaker 1: the Capitol. They did a bunch of stuff they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have done to get these people, and they've put insane

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Speaker 1: amounts of resources in time that would have been otherwise

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Speaker 1: used by the way for like actual violent criminals elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: So I think, like I would have been very comfortable

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Speaker 1: with reassessing the nonviolent ones and not the violent ones, right,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 2: And the thing is is that this conversation would have

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Speaker 2: been a very different conversation if Joe Biden didn't exit,

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Speaker 2: you know, pardoning everybody who's ever met for crimes that

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Speaker 2: they may or may not have done over the course

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Speaker 2: of decades. So I think that the left really did

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Speaker 2: shoot themselves in the foot with this, because it's very

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Speaker 2: hard for them to make this argument that oh, this

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Speaker 2: is wrong and that, you know, he shouldn't have blanket pardened.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like much the same like you.

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Speaker 2: I'm obviously, you know, very much pro law enforcement and

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Speaker 2: anti violence, and I think that a lot of these

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Speaker 2: people's rights got trampled on. And I'm largely okay with

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Speaker 2: the blanket parden except for the violent ones.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think he misssteps there, and like, look,

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Speaker 1: we're going to disagree with the moves he makes sometimes frankly,

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Speaker 1: today I'll like it like it's on the margins right

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Speaker 1: where I'm like, okay, I like some of this and

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Speaker 1: not other parts of it. Like today he does the

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Speaker 1: inaugural speech, and I'm like, oh, that was that was good.

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Speaker 1: And then he refuses to stick the landing and goes

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Speaker 1: next door and does this like rambling long speech to

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Speaker 1: his to his homers, to his you know, his fans.

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Speaker 1: It's fan service. It never seems to hurt him very

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Speaker 1: badly though, So but yeah, in this case, I think

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Speaker 1: I think that's that's the wrong use of this power.

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Speaker 2: Right. And Enrique Tario, just as a side note, was

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Speaker 2: not in the capitol that day. He had, you know,

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Speaker 2: put together a group to march to the capitol, but

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Speaker 2: he himself wasn't even there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, if you start looking into the details

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Speaker 1: of these cases, you go, wait, wait, wait, wait, this

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like what I was told. Like Mema was

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Speaker 1: Mema was parading inside, and there were That's the thing

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Speaker 1: about January sixth. There were very violent and scary moments,

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Speaker 1: and then there were other moments that really were just

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Speaker 1: people walking through an open door.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they should differently, they should have been treated differently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we're just doing We're just trading pardons

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Speaker 1: all the way down now.

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Speaker 2: Right right, who even I don't even know what Congress

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Speaker 2: is doing anymore, is just going to be executive orders, right.

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Speaker 2: I think that's what what what the Democrats have signed

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Speaker 2: up for after the last few years.

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Speaker 1: Well, on a bright note, I will say that the

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Speaker 1: Senate joined together on the day of inauguration in the evening,

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Speaker 1: maybe doing some of that drunk voting that Mark Mark

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Speaker 1: Queen Mullendog's about to approve Senator Market Radio as Secretary

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Speaker 1: of State ninety nine zero. So look at that.

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Speaker 2: We did. The unity. Incredible. I've never seen anything like it.

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Speaker 1: We did the unity. It's so good. Oh man. By

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Speaker 1: the way, if I have decided that, yes, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: wear shorts and a hoodie to inauguration, obviously, Senator John Fetterman. However,

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Speaker 1: I am on a sliding scale with this now because

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Speaker 1: if I have to trade his the decorum of his

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Speaker 1: outfit for his common sense stances, I think that's a

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Speaker 1: trade I'm willing to make.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And he just you know, there's a group, some

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Speaker 2: class of man that always wear shorts, and he's just

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Speaker 2: in that class, and there's nothing we could do about it.

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Speaker 1: I think that I think that he should take a

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Speaker 1: page out of Malania's book, go to Carhart and ask

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Speaker 1: them to custom design him some formal wear.

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Speaker 2: I love Carhart. If Carhart wants to designed me some

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Speaker 2: formal wear, I'm.

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Speaker 1: In, well you needed it the in DC today, My goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So wrapping this up okay, so you know we

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Speaker 2: have our yes I'm still mad bro segment and we

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Speaker 2: have the in case you missed it segment. I think

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Speaker 2: we could easily have a Nazi scandal segment.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: And if we drank every time someone in the Trump

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Speaker 2: administration is going to be accused of being a Nazi

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Speaker 2: in the next four years, I think we will be

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Speaker 2: drunk for many of these episodes. But the winner of

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Speaker 2: today's episode is Elon Musk and he gave a speech.

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Speaker 2: He was very excitable, bouncing around the stage, which I

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Speaker 2: actually love to see. I love when he acts like

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Speaker 2: a little kid. It's super excited to be there. And

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Speaker 2: he put his hand on his heart and I don't

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Speaker 2: remember the exact words. He said something like my heart

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Speaker 2: goes out to you or yeah yeah, and he moved

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Speaker 2: his hand up towards the crowd in what people decided

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Speaker 2: was a Nazi salute and it's bananas. It's so crazy.

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Speaker 2: I mean you know, and I hate, I actually hate

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Speaker 2: all the arguments of like, he's not a Nazi, like

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Speaker 2: he went to Israel, he's pro Jewish, I mean whatever,

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Speaker 2: Like that's not the point. The point is you can

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Speaker 2: move your hand in a certain way and not be

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Speaker 2: a Nazi, and like stop being crazy about it and

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Speaker 2: the really impressive thing. Sorry, go ahead, yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 2: you go. Well, I was going to say that there's

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Speaker 2: the Anti Defamation League, which is a Jewish organization that

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Speaker 2: is extremely touchy and often gets really crazy about Oh

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Speaker 2: this is anti semitic, this is antismitic, which I really

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Speaker 2: think is a bad thing because plenty of things are

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Speaker 2: antismitic and we don't need to make things up. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and they tweeted this is a delicate moment. It's a

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Speaker 2: new day, and yet so many are on edge. Our

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00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: politics are inflamed, and social media only adds to the anxiety.

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Speaker 2: It seems that Elon Musk made an awkward gesture in

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Speaker 2: a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute. But again,

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Speaker 2: we appreciate that people are on edge. In this moment,

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Speaker 2: all sides should give one another a bit of grace,

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Speaker 2: perhaps even the benefit of doubt, and take a breath.

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Speaker 2: This is a new beginning. That's hope. We're healing and

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Speaker 2: work towards unity in the months and years ahead. This

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Speaker 2: is such a shocker. This is like the most shocking

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Speaker 2: thing the ADL's ever done. They took a breath and

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Speaker 2: weren't crazy.

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Speaker 1: I love it. No, it's the right thing. They said

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Speaker 1: it eloquently. Many made eloquent arguments on Elon's behalf. I

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Speaker 1: just tweeted, I shouldn't cuss, but F you were not

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Speaker 1: doing this anymore. We're not doing this anymore.

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Speaker 2: You don't and you don't curse, you really don't.

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Speaker 1: I try not to do the the really bad words

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Speaker 1: on the X, but I did tonight because that really

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Speaker 1: it ticked me off. And we have to just draw

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Speaker 1: a hardline with these people now, Like it's just like

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Speaker 1: we're not that's it and doing this. We all know

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Speaker 1: that that's not what he was doing. We all know

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Speaker 1: you're pretending. And I'm done pretending exactly whether it's on

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Speaker 1: men and women and not non binary, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: I'm done pretending, whether the president's non compassments, We're done pretending.

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Speaker 1: By the way, a few adds and ends before we

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Speaker 1: finish the pardons also included some of these pro life,

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Speaker 1: nonviolent pro life protesters who have been thrown in prison

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Speaker 1: first up to three years, one of these women for

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Speaker 1: being outside an abortion clinic and having conflict with other

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Speaker 1: counter protesters. So that's nice to see. And then lastly,

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Speaker 1: the reason that Fox News will continue to soar in

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Speaker 1: the ratings. Trump does a Q and A from the

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Speaker 1: Resolute desk in his Oval office. Oh yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: so good, with a gaggle, and Doucy yells out a question.

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Speaker 1: He says, do you have a letter from Biden in

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Speaker 1: your desk? Because you know they get the transition letter? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for each other, right, And Trump goes, oh, I haven't

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Speaker 1: checked yet, should we check? And I was like, this

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00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: is the most amazing TV, Like, this is the Trump superpower.

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Speaker 1: And so he pulls it out and he's like, I

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Speaker 1: bet you'd like to read it together. Let me read

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Speaker 1: it first, and I'll fit. It's it's this insane back

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Speaker 1: and forth that is history playing out before your eyes.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's why both Trump and Peter Deucy will

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Speaker 1: continue to succeed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're just so natural, and I love it. I

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Speaker 2: love that Trump isn't you know a lifelong politician who

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Speaker 2: always watched everything he said and doesn't know how to

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Speaker 2: be normal in front of other people. I really enjoy

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Speaker 2: that about him. I think we're also going to enjoy

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Speaker 2: the transparency he kind of says what's on his mind. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he's fantastic, but we'll take it after who knows what

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Speaker 2: was going on in the last four years did we

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Speaker 2: even have.

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Speaker 1: A president exactly? That's one thing you can always say

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Speaker 1: for Trump is that he's doing the things pretty much

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Speaker 1: out in the open, and he's telling you what he's

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Speaker 1: going to do.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Well here we are. You know, this is the

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Speaker 2: first episode of the new Trump administration. Looking forward to

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Speaker 2: four years of talking about this.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be as if today is any example, there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a lot of news broken a lot

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Speaker 1: of the time, all day long.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, and we'll be there for all of it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on Normally. Normally airs Tuesdays and Thursdays,

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Speaker 2: and you can subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. Get

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Speaker 2: in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening, and when things get weird and they

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Speaker 2: will act normally