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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you

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Speaker 2: a Charlotte. I can talk to you about this because

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Speaker 2: you have a podcast. You actually have two that you

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Speaker 2: just finished. We'll get to in a second. Sophia Bushes here,

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Speaker 2: you guys, this is how we roll. Okay's on it.

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Speaker 2: I saw this post one time, or like a whole

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Speaker 2: thing from this lady on Instagram who I don't know,

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Speaker 2: talking about how on Amy Polish podcast, everyone's like, what

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Speaker 2: do you mean you're rolling? And she thought that was

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Speaker 2: fake or something or weird and why didn't they know

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Speaker 2: if they'd been in the green room. And I'm like, oh, honey,

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Speaker 2: we don't have green rooms, right, And we're used to

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Speaker 2: film where there's like rolling, and there's you know, you know,

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Speaker 2: like for us, like we're just sitting in a chair

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Speaker 2: and we're chatting and we're catching up, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: our kids and whatever, and then our very smart producers

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Speaker 2: are just rolling because they're so so smart that it's

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Speaker 2: the way podcasts are and we love it.

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Speaker 1: I love it, right, because it's so easy. You also

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Speaker 1: catch a little bit of magic that way, I find.

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Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I agree, that's why they're so smart

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Speaker 2: to just do it and not wait for anybody to start.

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Speaker 1: I like Easton just rubbing his phone together, like.

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Speaker 2: He totally totally, so you I love. I've wanted to

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Speaker 2: talk just briefly about Drama Queens. So you did this

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Speaker 2: podcast Drama Queens about One Tree Hill, the show that

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Speaker 2: you were on that was massive, massive, massive. I've never

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Speaker 2: seen it, but when I was preparing to do Are

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Speaker 2: You Charlotte, they said to listen to Drama Queens. So

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Speaker 2: I listened Drama Queens, of course, not understanding what you

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Speaker 2: guys were talking about, but really enjoying that there were

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Speaker 2: three of you and you had such great camaraderie and

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Speaker 2: you got to kind of rehash memories as well as

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Speaker 2: talking about the plot, like and how smart were you

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Speaker 2: to do this when you started it?

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Speaker 1: I mean thank you, honestly, I think because I had

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Speaker 1: started my my solo show, work in progress and loved

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Speaker 1: it so much, when honestly, it was a pandemic project

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Speaker 1: for US Drama Art, so you know, everything shut down.

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Speaker 1: I was preparing to shoot a show in Canada. We

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Speaker 1: all got sent home. I remember thinking, oh, yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: go back to work in two weeks. I mean, crazy

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Speaker 1: and then we were in lockdown and I was facetiming

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Speaker 1: with my girlfriends from the show, and one night, you know,

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Speaker 1: we were all kind of like, well, it's eight o'clock

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Speaker 1: we cracked bottles of wine together and we're like everybody's

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Speaker 1: making dinner and we're talking, and I was like, wait

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Speaker 1: a second, Like this is a show, this is something

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Speaker 1: I think people would love. And when I pitched the

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Speaker 1: idea first to Hillary and then she and I called Joy,

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Speaker 1: we were kind of not sure what it would be.

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Speaker 1: There weren't really rewatch shows yet. I think maybe Office

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Speaker 1: it was going to be. But the show wound up

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Speaker 1: being such a kind of reclamation for us. And you know,

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Speaker 1: not only were we so god, we were so young

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, aren't we all yeah, with their nap,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we were capable of having certain conversations

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Speaker 1: or we're even figuring out, you know, the line between

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Speaker 1: on location, especially of course.

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Speaker 2: And you guys were North Carolina. Yeah, I'm from South Carolina.

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Speaker 2: I've filmed in Wilmington.

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Speaker 1: Wellington's a different world.

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Speaker 2: It is lovely and different.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, very different, and I think for us especially

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Speaker 1: complicated because we were in this sort of no man's land.

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Speaker 1: We were just older than all the college kids at

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Speaker 1: UNCW wow, but so much younger than all the like

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Speaker 1: a weird. It was just a weird. We were very

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Speaker 1: isolated and the show I think had great high highs

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Speaker 2: That was which is so amazing and so beloved by fans,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the fans really their love of the show. And

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Speaker 1: I imagine you feel this with Sex and the City

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Speaker 1: because it also is an evergreen show. It was really

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Speaker 2: That's fun and I got to have it totally. I

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Speaker 2: think that's great and I think for me, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's really fun of course to have them in really

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Speaker 1: Like I was thinking about, I had.

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Speaker 2: Seen Michael Patrick since we rapped and just like that

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Speaker 2: and decided not to go on. And I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: And he said, wait, you're trying to process in real

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Speaker 2: even though I'm talking about sex and the city specifically,

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Speaker 2: to me, it's all one thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's it's a universe.

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Speaker 1: And I think you know the interesting thing because we

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Speaker 2: You know, would love to ask us that.

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Speaker 1: We've investigated those things. And when you play someone for

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Speaker 1: as long as I played Brooke Davis or you played

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Speaker 1: You know, Brooke feels like a cousin of mine or.

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Speaker 1: And I do have all sorts of thoughts about her

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Speaker 1: always say to people, They're like, do you have a

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Speaker 1: It was my one tree hill, like it's my show,

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Speaker 1: so nice, thank you. And as a viewer, I have

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Speaker 1: loved revisiting these people with all of you.

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Speaker 2: Oh good. But it's like, I guess not everyone feels

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Speaker 1: Well people listen, people these days just want to hate

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Speaker 2: But I want to ask you another question though about this,

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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Okay, this is that's what you

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Speaker 2: want to comment on. Like we talked about so many

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Speaker 2: interesting things, But do you think it's much easier to

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Speaker 2: horrible things happening in our world? Right?

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Speaker 1: Totally?

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Speaker 2: It's really hard to tackle that. So I get it.

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Speaker 2: super curious about your feelings on watching us. But also

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Speaker 2: the character's age, I think really triggers people. Yeah, like

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Speaker 2: they don't really want sometimes to see us age. I

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Speaker 2: guess it depends on the age of the fan, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: so some fans they Because then also the way HBO

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of that? I know it

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Speaker 1: is weird, you know, I'm sure there's been great discourse

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think there's great discourse about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I guess for me, I'm like, I'm

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Speaker 2: Yes, And you know.

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Speaker 1: And so I get that the pressure valve gets released,

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Speaker 1: think the larger discourse, how dare you age? If you

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Speaker 1: so vain if you if you don't do enough? Why

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Speaker 1: are you letting yourself go if they decide you've done

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Speaker 1: too much? Oh yeah, don't you have any friends who

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Speaker 1: And I I just am like, we're still here, Like

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Speaker 2: I think they are.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, actually I do see men being pulled into

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Speaker 1: the Yes, the world it's now a little bit going

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like it is a mixed but I also

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Speaker 2: different basket now. This is how I separate it in

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Speaker 2: my mind when I'm thinking about it, and it helps

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Speaker 2: me to dissect it, you know, to dissect like what

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Speaker 2: is actually driving these conversations. And in terms of the

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Speaker 2: aging situation, my feeling is that because I'm significantly older

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Speaker 2: than you, right, so like we have been Oh yeah, yes, okay, definitely,

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Speaker 2: I'm sixty years old, Sophia six, I am you hot

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Speaker 2: us right?

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Speaker 1: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it to get in good compliments.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I'll take it.

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Speaker 2: I'll take it up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're working on some supplemental goodies.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh that's fun. That's good. That's fun. Yes,

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Speaker 2: everyone will be happy to hear that. So this episode,

436
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Speaker 2: this is so crazy. I love to read the date.

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Speaker 2: The air date was July twenty third, two thousand, the

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Speaker 2: year two thousand. You guys, so funny. Doesn't that sound

439
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Speaker 2: like a science fiction weird thing? Like we're in twenty

440
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Speaker 2: twenty five and this was the year tooth? Like what what?

441
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Speaker 2: What is happening?

442
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Speaker 1: Yeah, saying heading off to call it adorable.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's so cute. So we were working

444
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Speaker 2: on our little butts off in Manhattan. So tired by

445
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Speaker 2: this point, because this would have been like halfway through

446
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Speaker 2: the season. This is three or I think we did

447
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Speaker 2: a lot. Maybe we did eighteen back in the olden

448
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Speaker 2: days where we did a lot of episodes, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: you remember, and it was directed by the wonderful Alison Andrews.

450
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Speaker 2: Did you ever meet Alison? Oh so so great director.

451
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Speaker 2: She was an indie film director. We went through quite

452
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Speaker 2: a in the beginning. We tried to get female indie

453
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Speaker 2: film directors and sometimes it went great and sometimes maybe

454
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Speaker 2: not so perfectly or whatever. And also male indie film

455
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Speaker 2: directors also very interesting. But Alison just sweetest, sweetest, so positive,

456
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Speaker 2: and she would.

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Speaker 1: Just be like, baby, that was good, Let's just do

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Speaker 1: it again.

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Speaker 2: You're like, okay, You're super easy. She created just so

460
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Speaker 2: much comfort, you know, on the set, which was nice

461
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Speaker 2: and written by Darren Starr, which also surprised me because

462
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Speaker 2: by then I thought he was already kind of like

463
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Speaker 2: off and doing his next thing, because that's what he does,

464
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Speaker 2: you know, he creates and moves on, creates and moves

465
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Speaker 2: on basically. But here he is writing a really, really

466
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Speaker 2: excellent episode right back in the middle of the third season,

467
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,440
Speaker 2: which the third season is my favorite season. I don't

468
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: know why, but like for me, this is when everything gels,

469
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, all of the connections of the storylines, you know,

470
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Speaker 2: also the locations, and we have directors who are like

471
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Speaker 2: amping it up usually like all the things.

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Speaker 1: It really feels like when you think about sex and

473
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Speaker 1: the city. And then you go back and you watch.

474
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you watch the first season and you're like, wait,

475
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Speaker 1: what show is that? It's like season three, it's really

476
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Speaker 1: your show?

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely. I mean, one, it's fascinating, it's amazing.

478
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Speaker 2: But I had remembered it as being horrible, but when

479
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Speaker 2: I rewatched, I was like, no, it was great.

480
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Speaker 1: It was just just different.

481
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Speaker 2: Really like it would go one way and then it

482
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Speaker 2: would go the other way, and then like it's so

483
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Speaker 2: dark you can't even see us sometimes, you know what

484
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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like it's physically dark, yes, which is also

485
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Speaker 2: very interesting, very crazy. Who's nineteen ninety eight or nine? Yeah, right,

486
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Speaker 2: let's talk about the episode for a second. Okay, So

487
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Speaker 2: the thing that I love because I hadn't I watched

488
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Speaker 2: at the time, and so now I'm rewatching for the

489
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Speaker 2: first time. Like through life, people'd always say like, oh

490
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Speaker 2: don't you watch. I mean, if I walk by a TV,

491
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, there we are, you know where I

492
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: would keep moving because I didn't want to be stuck

493
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Speaker 2: in the past, right, But that's what's kind of interesting

494
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Speaker 2: about really, Okay, intentionally, let's look at it.

495
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Speaker 1: Yes, I like it, like.

496
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, and I can kind of get what the

497
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 2: fans got, right, Maybe not one hundred percent, because I

498
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: also remember what was going on this set that day,

499
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Speaker 2: or whatever was going on with me or you don't

500
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: trying to say you have other memories, but in terms

501
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: of certainly the other storylines, like when I watch Aiden

502
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Speaker 2: and Carry here, I'm so fascinated and I have so

503
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Speaker 2: many thoughts. I don't think I had all these thoughts

504
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,719
Speaker 2: back then. I think I was just focused on myself

505
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 2: and what I was doing and so excited that she

506
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: is finally coming. Obviously, like the whole entire thing about intimacy,

507
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: and also if you look at Stephen Miranda also, they

508
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: are having such an interesting conversation about what is true

509
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Speaker 2: intimacy or do we actually want it? Are we ready

510
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Speaker 2: for it? These are different questions, right, and we asked them,

511
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Speaker 2: but we we aren't going to go into the backstory

512
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Speaker 2: like you're saying about trauma. No, I don't think we

513
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Speaker 2: literally ever said the word trauma. On our show.

514
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Speaker 1: No, it wasn't. It wasn't part of the cultural conversation.

515
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't. I think we I'm kind of wanting

516
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Speaker 2: to have another one of our writers on again, because

517
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Speaker 2: I had Michael on in the beginning, and we're we've

518
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Speaker 2: had I've had Jenny and Cindy on. Who are our

519
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Speaker 2: two female writers, which I think that's all the writers

520
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 2: we have at this point, Darren, Michael, Jenny, Cindy. But

521
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Speaker 2: I wonder, like, when we're talking about these intimacy type storylines,

522
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Speaker 2: I wonder how much they toyed with thinking about how

523
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Speaker 2: we got here or the past, because there was a

524
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 2: certed effort not to do that because everything has to

525
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: move so quickly, like all these things happen in twenty

526
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 2: three minutes, right, it's got to like bam, bam bam.

527
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Speaker 2: So we have to have our our you know, down low,

528
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: and we have to have her like our coffee shop

529
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: right where we're all this and that and this and

530
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: that and this and that, and then we have to

531
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: have Carrie writing, which is her much more introspective. I wonder,

532
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: you know, when she does say some really really deep

533
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Speaker 2: and interesting things. But the thing that I love here

534
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Speaker 2: is that? So Carrie's with Aiden. Aiden is amazing. He is,

535
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Speaker 2: in her words, too good to be true. She doesn't

536
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Speaker 2: know if this is actually what she wants. And this

537
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Speaker 2: is after two years, you know, struggling to get Big

538
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Speaker 2: to commit and or even talk to her about his feelings.

539
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Speaker 2: Right now she has this amazing guy who wants her

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Speaker 2: to meet his parents. She does not want to. I

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Speaker 2: don't even remember all of this at all, Like when

542
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Speaker 2: I rewatched it, I don't remember it one little bit.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's super interesting. But I also think

544
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Speaker 2: there's a part of it because Aiden is so not

545
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Speaker 2: New York. There's a part of it where it's also

546
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Speaker 2: like Carrie is so New York, right, it's not really

547
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: a common thing. Like I don't know if you remember

548
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 2: in second season she follows Big one day. She doesn't

549
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Speaker 2: know where he is, and he's at church with his mom.

550
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: She's never met his mom. Then she's hurt that he

551
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 2: doesn't want her to meet his mom, right, and he's like,

552
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Speaker 2: this is something I do with my mom. I go

553
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 2: to church. So then she takes Miranda and they drop

554
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Speaker 2: the him book down the balcony. It's like a whole

555
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 2: drama right, but also like that's unusual. I never remember

556
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Speaker 2: meeting any I'm trying to think now, like you just

557
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: didn't meet people's parents in New York. It wasn't a

558
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: thing really so much, do you know what I'm saying? Yes,

559
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Speaker 2: we're serious. And then you traveled to meet them, you

560
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 2: traveled to the to where they were from, to wherever

561
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Speaker 2: they were from exactly. So I do think there's a

562
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Speaker 2: bit of like, Aiden's not New York, which is also

563
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Speaker 2: why he's interesting and different. BIG's very New York obviously,

564
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Speaker 2: so there's a kind of a bit of that going on,

565
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Speaker 2: but they don't really say that, which I think is

566
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 2: also interesting. But Carrie is obviously very New York, and

567
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Speaker 2: that's what I think part of her going like, well,

568
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Speaker 2: I don't even know if I want to meet his parents,

569
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Speaker 2: which also like he puts up with that.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's interesting. There's a really sweet moment when

571
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Speaker 1: they're walking down the sidewalk together and she goes, you know,

572
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Speaker 1: it's the whole thing of like, why aren't you married,

573
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Speaker 1: why are you still single? What's wrong with you? Will

574
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Speaker 1: your parents be able to tell me what's wrong with you?

575
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: And John Corbett, good God, that man is charming, I know.

576
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: And the way he just laughs at her, he is

577
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Speaker 1: so and it's not crass, it's not cruel. He's very

578
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: tenderly amused by her, and he just he's like, you're crazy.

579
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Speaker 1: And what he doesn't say but you see on his

580
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: face is it's the kind of crazy.

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Speaker 2: I like.

582
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Speaker 1: Definitely, And that's so true. It's such a true moment.

583
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Speaker 1: And they did such a great job as actors together.

584
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's incredible.

585
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Speaker 1: And there's something wonderful I think and it and to me,

586
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: it does speak to intimacy when someone who really loves

587
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: you is watching you spin about something definitely also knows

588
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: it's not about them at all.

589
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's so amazing to you're gonna spend Okay, Oh

590
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 2: definitely definitely and not get card right, I agree, I agree,

591
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: And very different obviously than her dynamic with Big where

592
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Speaker 2: she's sinned and he kind of judges or I feel

593
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Speaker 2: like it even makes him more more remote. Yes, yes, which.

594
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Speaker 1: Is anytime she has human emotion that is imperfect, right,

595
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: he can't handle it right, which and aiden is both

596
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: figuratively and physically. It's like he's a big container for

597
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Speaker 1: her feelings.

598
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Speaker 2: Which is amazing, amazing, I know, amazing, amazing. I mean, yes,

599
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,239
Speaker 2: sometimes I think about where we know they go. I know,

600
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Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, I know, I still

601
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: have to It is processing what I know and then

602
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing in the olden days and trying to

603
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: chart it all, you know. But I also feel and

604
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: people have said to me, well, that doesn't make sense.

605
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: But that doesn't make sense. But you change as you live. Yeah,

606
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: so you can't necessarily know at thirty five or whatever

607
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 2: our characters are. I think we're roughly thirty five at

608
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 2: this point, and we're not real people. It should be said. Also,

609
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: life changes you, yes, as you're living it. That's what's

610
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: supposed to happen, right, Yeah, so you don't know what

611
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 2: you're going to be like at sixty or fifty five.

612
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 2: When you're thirty five. Different things you're going to happen

613
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: to you that are going to shape you, yes, right.

614
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: I think people don't realize that.

615
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Speaker 1: Well, And it's part of why I think it's so

616
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Speaker 1: crazy when you talk about not crazy, but I mean

617
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Speaker 1: sort of societally, what we all do. The idea that

618
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Speaker 1: you know, where you were raised, women were supposed to

619
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Speaker 1: be married by twenty five, you're supposed to go to

620
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Speaker 1: college and get your mrs. Your prefrontal cortex is not

621
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Speaker 1: done developing, I know, like your literal brain is not

622
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: the brain of an adult until you're twenty six or

623
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Speaker 1: twenty seven years old. And I'm going, what in the

624
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: world people are letting people get married?

625
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Speaker 2: I know people get married younger than that, definitely, I know,

626
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: I know, But I mean the world is changing, because

627
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: definitely I don't think. I don't think that pressure is

628
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: there now in the same way at the same age,

629
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: I think the pressure might be there. I read something

630
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: over the weekend about not just getting married but success,

631
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 2: like career success, and how thirty five is what they

632
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: now Younger people have in their minds like I need

633
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Speaker 2: to be you know, like successful at thirty five whatever

634
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: that means for me, which is also nothing's true, right,

635
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: Like that's not true. You know, you might have one

636
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: job at thirty five and then be miserable and want

637
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: to leave it and find another job or another calling

638
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 2: or another you know mission in life. You have no

639
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: idea it never ends. And that was part of the

640
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: reason we wanted to do And just like that is

641
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: that life is not over. Yes, it's still an adventure.

642
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: You still don't know what might happen. There's still decisions

643
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: and life changing events and things happen. Why why pretend

644
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: somehow that when you hit forty five or fifty or

645
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: whatever arbitrary number you want to come up with it,

646
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 2: your life is over.

647
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Speaker 1: Wait. No, I think all the time about phases.

648
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: You know.

649
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation just yesterday with a friend

650
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: and I said, I might, I might do something completely

651
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: different with my life at fifty. I don't know. Yeah,

652
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: I think about the same thing we're at sixty or seventy, Like,

653
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: why not, right.

654
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: No, you can do whatever you want. Yeah, it's a

655
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: great thing to remember. It's important.

656
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know.

657
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,719
Speaker 2: I agree. Okay, let's talk about that episode. Sometimes it's

658
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: hard to go back, but we will, we will, we will.

659
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: So what I love, I love, love love this whole

660
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: intimacy conversation. So Carrie has what she thought she wanted. Yep,

661
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: he is basically choosing her. And now she's stressing. She

662
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: can't sleep at night, She's wake up in the middle

663
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 2: of the night. She doesn't know why. So interesting, right,

664
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: and then she she goes who she's He says he

665
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: wants to, you know, introduce her to the parents, and

666
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: she panics, and he obviously is very patient with her,

667
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 2: which I think is amazing. And then and he says

668
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: to her, It's no big deal. I have a life.

669
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: I'm just making room for you in it.

670
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: I know, right, yeah, I mean, my gosh.

671
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: So then she comes to the opera with me, which

672
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,959
Speaker 2: is adorable, because I was trying to get I've left

673
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 2: out myself. So I've got the book marriage incorporated. I

674
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 2: assume it's a real book. I don't even know, my

675
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: god insane. And yeah, it says I'm at the coffee

676
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 2: shop with them, and I tell them this book says

677
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: not to hang out with my single, dysfunctional friends that

678
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: I need to hang out with Memo Fra. I can't

679
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: believe they don't just like, you know, like Charlotte Dotava,

680
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like what on earth? I'm

681
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: so bold? But and also that to me is a

682
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 2: crazy thing to say. Yes, like wow, like come on.

683
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Well, and and but what I think is sweet about it.

684
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 1: And I think clearly the dynamic of these four women,

685
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, these friends know each other.

686
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: Yes, you not.

687
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Only say the thing that could really sting but then

688
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: you explain that the book explains that you're supposed to

689
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: treat finding and the way you would treat starting a business.

690
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: There are there is a checklist. You are going to

691
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: hang out right with married friends because they're they've got

692
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: good single friends. And it's like it's insane, but of

693
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: course someone wrote it, and of course people taking this advice.

694
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and I mean, thank god, they love her, you know,

695
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: and they're just like, okay, Charlotte. But also then, I mean,

696
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: to me, it's also kind of crazy to think that

697
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: the married people's friends would somehow be different than the

698
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: people that us single ladies would meet. How why they're

699
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: just single people? It makes no sense, But whatever, Charlotte's

700
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: going to try. What Charlotte's going to try. So she's

701
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: hounding this guy who we've never seen this couple before,

702
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 2: the apparently Charlotte and his other friends, Dennis Way. She's

703
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: hounding him to set her up with one of his

704
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: single friends, and he's dodging her kind of right, and

705
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: she can't figure it out. So she had tickets to

706
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: the opera and she had said to him, oh great,

707
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: I have tickets to the opera. Yes, but he hasn't

708
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: gotten back to her, so she doesn't know what's going on,

709
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 2: so she asked carry, which is kind of wonderful because

710
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: first of all, I remember that day and I remember

711
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: going to the opera. I was so excited that I

712
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: got to go with Carrie because sometimes I don't get

713
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: to do the walk and talks, you know, I always

714
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: wanted to do the walking talks. So I'm like, oh,

715
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: we guys go.

716
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: To the opera. It's even better.

717
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: It's even better than a walk and talk because I

718
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: mean a scene at the opera is always a great

719
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 2: thing in film, right, I mean, yeah, it's a kind

720
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: of a It's done a lot when you look at

721
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: things like it's in action films, it's in I've just

722
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 2: watched The Morning Show. They had an opera you know

723
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: scenario in the Morning Show. I know. I think it's

724
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: because opera's so dramatic, like you wouldn't necessarily show people

725
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: how to play, though we do do that later on

726
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 2: because Schmid is an actor, right, But like the opera

727
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 2: is the height of emotion, So I think that's partly why.

728
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: And it's so New York, right, and you're so drap

729
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: and it's so New York and gorgeous. I realize when

730
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: you're talking about how Carrie's struggling because Aiden is so

731
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: not New York. She goes and has the most New

732
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: York night and exactly with her little tiny, you know, binoculars,

733
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: she sees Big and Natasha and then she gets up

734
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: and dramatically leaves.

735
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I Also it's funny because I don't

736
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 2: remember Carrie being so dramatic. She's pretty dramatic. It's interesting,

737
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: it's interesting. I don't really remember that. I think at

738
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: the time I really felt all Carrie's feelings.

739
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: Oh totally. Well, it's it's part of the discourse even

740
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 1: now when people are like that, that was this woman

741
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: so many of us identified with, and we look back

742
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: and go like, this is unhinged. But at the time

743
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: it didn't. It didn't be. And I think there's something

744
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: really interesting about how just unhinged society was in general

745
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: when you think about the early aughts and how women

746
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: were being treated. Oh you know what I mean, I

747
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: do things were nuts, Sure, nuts. She might seem nuts now,

748
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,479
Speaker 1: but she really didn't at the time.

749
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: But the other thing is that I think Sarah Jessica

750
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: as an actor is so grounded. Yes, that when you look, well,

751
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 2: if you take a step back and go, oh, she's

752
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 2: so dramatic how she leaves the opera, but she makes

753
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:24,240
Speaker 2: it so real.

754
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: It's so real, it's so honest. She cannot sit across

755
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: from them, knowing they're there. And by the way she

756
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: even says in her voiceover, she says, not to be dramatic.

757
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: We're in the most dramatic exit or whatever she says.

758
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 2: She acknowledges that you're absolutely right. She's aware. There's so

759
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: much self awareness, and we know that because of the

760
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 2: voice over and because of the writing, and that's why

761
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: we can kind of be inside those feelings.

762
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: And I think there was something when it's dawning on

763
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: me in this moment, you know, Yes, she did such

764
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: a beautiful job playing Carrie, And I think humanized Cary

765
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: for us, and I think for any of us who's

766
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: trying to get over our good girl syndrome, the idea

767
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: that this woman said I can't be here and listened

768
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: to her feelings true and took care of herself instead

769
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: of staying to please her friend and I'm staying to

770
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: prove she could. And sitting in that seat panicking for

771
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: the rest of the opera.

772
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: That's true.

773
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: She just said no, I can't do it, and I'm

774
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: not gonna You're right, that's actually a big deal.

775
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: I agree, And it also goes back to I think

776
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: the freedom that they all feel with each other, meaning

777
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: the four of us, Like I can say this crazy

778
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: thing about I can't hang out with you guys because

779
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: you're dysfunctional, single people, which is a lot to say,

780
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: and they're just like, yeah, okay, we get it, you're Charlotte.

781
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: And then she can say like I've got to leave,

782
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 2: and I can just be fine, you know what I'm saying. Like,

783
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: you know, I do think that that is also a

784
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 2: testament to how well they know each other, how much

785
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: they love each other, and the room they have for

786
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 2: each other to be their full selves. Yes, right, which

787
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: is a beautiful thing and very thankful that they that

788
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: they did that for us. You know, you guys, this

789
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: is so much fun that we're going to have to

790
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 2: have a part two, so join us later in the

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Speaker 2: week on are You as Charlotte h