Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. It
Speaker 1: is now day three of Trump's fugue State crisis from
Speaker 1: Monday night at Oaks, Pennsylvania, when Trump abruptly stopped the
Speaker 1: town hall inexplicably and began to slur and behave bizarrely
Speaker 1: through his announcement that Kamala Harris is physically disqualified from
Speaker 1: being president because she has hay fever, through his canceling
Speaker 1: of a softball interview on CNBC the same day she
Speaker 1: was to be interviewed by Fox to the question from
Speaker 1: the Economic Club of Chicago about whether or not Google
Speaker 1: should be broken up, which he answered by talking about
Speaker 1: voting in Georgia. Day three of this and we still
Speaker 1: have no official explanation for the series of episodes in
Speaker 1: which Trump has seemed to recede from reality, though there
Speaker 1: is an amazingly disturbing suggestion from an expert on cults
Speaker 1: himself a cult survivor, who says, this is what cult
Speaker 1: leaders do when they run out, when their repertoire shrinks
Speaker 1: and their talking points melt. That explanation in a moment,
Speaker 1: and the media reaction and non reaction and the one
Speaker 1: news outlet that did not sainwash the start of the
Speaker 1: Fugue state crisis, but first the start of the fugue
Speaker 1: state crisis. As two people in the crowd fainted. Trump
Speaker 1: cut off his town hall after four questions and then
Speaker 1: stood there on stage for thirty nine minutes.
Speaker 2: Let's not do any more questions, Let's just listen to music.
Speaker 1: Let's make it into it for music. Judah Hell wants
Speaker 1: to hear questions. Music mixed number seven million went on
Speaker 1: for thirty nine minutes. Thirty nine minutes, thirty nine minutes
Speaker 1: of him standing there as music that he selected played,
Speaker 1: music ranging from time to Say Goodbye to Nothing Compares
Speaker 1: to You, to Ave Maria to Ymca to Elvis singing Dixer,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. The thirty nine missteps
Speaker 1: for you, Hitchcock fans. Even the Washington Post noticed its
Speaker 1: headline made its own headlines. Trump sways and bops to
Speaker 1: music for thirty nine minutes in bizarre town hall episode.
Speaker 1: Vice President Kamala Harris has called Trump seventy eight unstable
Speaker 1: and questioned his mental acuity. The Post used real words
Speaker 1: and phrases like meandering, almost as if he were taking
Speaker 1: a trip back to decades past, and it repeated bizarre
Speaker 1: and bopped and presumably most odious to Trump. The post
Speaker 1: said he quote stood on stage in his oversize suit. Ooh.
Speaker 1: The Post, though, was alone in refusing to sainwash whatever
Speaker 1: malfunctioned inside Trump, and by the way, continued to malfunction
Speaker 1: in a series of posts later Monday night and throughout
Speaker 1: the day. On Tuesday, Trump bobs his head to music
Speaker 1: for thirty minutes in odd town hall detour The New
Speaker 1: York Times. Of course, after multiple interruptions, Trump cut off
Speaker 1: questions and seemed to decide that it would be more
Speaker 1: enjoyable for all concerned, and it appeared for himself if
Speaker 1: he fired up his campaign playlist. The Times can read
Speaker 1: Trump's mind about how he seemed to decide and how
Speaker 1: it appeared for himself that it would be better to
Speaker 1: play music in the middle of a campaign event, but
Speaker 1: it could never say something like it seemed an appear
Speaker 1: he was lying through his effing teeth. Trump's Pennsylvania town
Speaker 1: hall turns into impromptu concert after medical incidents. The headline
Speaker 1: in the Associated Press turns into as if it were
Speaker 1: transformed by magical potions from Harry Potter. Medical incidents, as
Speaker 1: if Trump didn't clearly have one a day and the
Speaker 1: worst of them all. Trump turned a town hall event
Speaker 1: in front of supporters in Pennsylvania, wrote NBC News, into
Speaker 1: an impromptu listening party Monday night. Somebody who did not
Speaker 1: sinewash this listening party, my ass, was the Vice President
Speaker 1: of the United States.
Speaker 3: His staff won't let him do a sixty minutes interview.
Speaker 3: Every president for the last half century has done on
Speaker 3: anyone who's running for president. Everyone has done it except
Speaker 3: Donald Trump. He will not debate me again. I put
Speaker 3: out my medical records. He won't put out his medical records.
Speaker 3: And you have to ask why is his staff doing that?
Speaker 3: And it may be because they think he's just not
Speaker 3: ready and unfit and unstable and should not have that
Speaker 3: level of transparency for the American people.
Speaker 1: A man named Matthew Ramsky shook up the yoga world
Speaker 1: five years ago with articles and a book called Practice
Speaker 1: and All Is Coming, Abuse, Cult, Dynamics and Healing in
Speaker 1: Yoga and Beyond about so called gurus turning yoga groups
Speaker 1: into conspiracy riddled cults filled with sexual abuse. The Vice
Speaker 1: President may have seen instability. The Washington Post may have
Speaker 1: seen bizarre meandering, mister Ramsky saw something else, and it
Speaker 1: was more familiar and more frightening to him. And I
Speaker 1: quote him in full from Twitter X quote Trump surrendering
Speaker 1: the Q and A to thirty minutes of his fave
Speaker 1: songs while standing on stage awkwardly conducting at times echoes
Speaker 1: many instances of cultic leaders who exhausted, ill and at
Speaker 1: the end of their cognitive rope, outsource their emotional dominance
Speaker 1: subroutines to canned music they personally find exquisitely sentimental. He continues,
Speaker 1: as traumatized narcissists, they are seeking comfort and avoiding work,
Speaker 1: but also assume that their core memories of pleasure will
Speaker 1: make their power and soul transparent and accessible to their followers. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's weird. No, the campaign gives no explanation because the
Speaker 1: logic is a sealed system. Believers lose themselves in the choruses.
Speaker 1: Handlers know there's nothing they can do but keep him
Speaker 1: propped up. Christine Nome knows her inner circle status depends
Speaker 1: on staying bright eyed. Mister Ramsky continues, The leader of
Speaker 1: the group I was in for three years maintained a
Speaker 1: Trump campaign like schedule of daily two hour sermons. Over
Speaker 1: the years, he increasingly relied on his DJA to fill
Speaker 1: the room with emotional overwhelm. Whenever he gapped out he
Speaker 1: was seventy eight to two, he air conducted the tunes.
Speaker 1: He had a shrinking repertoire of melted talking points. But
Speaker 1: because there was never any substance to his stick, he
Speaker 1: didn't struggle to remember details that were slipping away. He
Speaker 1: just turned to the music. All he had ever done
Speaker 1: was generated a mood. Then he died of a stroke.
Speaker 1: It may be helpful he continues to keep in mind
Speaker 1: for Trump followers, the default to pure emotionality can be
Speaker 1: effective right up until the end. For some, the intensity
Speaker 1: of their bond might increase because for them, as for him,
Speaker 1: the affect was the point they weren't there for the platform.
Speaker 1: There are people in the crowd who are uncomfortable, or
Speaker 1: who can recognize the signs, or get bored and leave early.
Speaker 1: But for those really caught up, that thirty minutes of
Speaker 1: music and reverie might feel like the most direct and
Speaker 1: intimate contact they've ever had with him. Geez, So when
Speaker 1: you and I have thrown around the now familiar phrase
Speaker 1: it's a cult, we may have been saying more than
Speaker 1: we could have possibly known. Mister Ramsky also agreed that
Speaker 1: whatever began on Monday night appears to have been touched
Speaker 1: off when two attendees fainted in the warm close room.
Speaker 1: A respondent to his thread noted that the last thing
Speaker 1: someone like Trump tolerates is other people suffering. That two
Speaker 1: people fell ill and cause his rally to be interrupted
Speaker 1: was an intolerable affront to his being the only one.
Speaker 1: He reacted to that with an extended primitive basking in
Speaker 1: the wonder of him unquote, to which Ramsky replied on point,
Speaker 1: So what began Monday night and continues at this hour?
Speaker 1: Did Trump choose this or was it something else? Could
Speaker 1: it have been a true psychiatric episode what the experts
Speaker 1: are now calling dissociative fugue. If you've seen this or
Speaker 1: heard about fugue fugue states dissociative fugue, dissociative episodes, it's
Speaker 1: probably from a film or on television, most notably in
Speaker 1: an episode of the old series Breaking Bad. It is
Speaker 1: an event in which whatever binds us to the world,
Speaker 1: even just our own world, loosens a bit or sometimes
Speaker 1: breaks completely. Sufferers often just wander off physically or just metaphorically,
Speaker 1: leave their homes and wind up hundreds thousands of miles
Speaker 1: away with no idea how they got there. While in
Speaker 1: the fugue state, they can't remember who they are, or
Speaker 1: at least they can't fully remember that. They may not
Speaker 1: know where they are or where they have been, but
Speaker 1: they can do ordinary things like drive a car somewhere
Speaker 1: without getting into an accident, or appreciate the breeze as
Speaker 1: they wait for an uber. I have seen this happen
Speaker 1: to someone close to me, and it is terrifying. And
Speaker 1: it is not voluntary, and it is often followed by
Speaker 1: an absolute refusal by the victim to acknowledge that it
Speaker 1: was at all important, or by their making a rush
Speaker 1: to find an excuse like I was impaired by drink
Speaker 1: or drugs or illness, even if there was no drink
Speaker 1: or drugs or illness, and Trump either entered into that
Speaker 1: Monday night or into that end. Stage cult leader Meltdown
Speaker 1: Matthew Ramsky described from his first hand experience with that
Speaker 1: what may be the most frightening part here is that
Speaker 1: when you abruptly end your campaign event, start a thirty
Speaker 1: nine minute wobble on stage accompanied by shenade O'Connor go
Speaker 1: into a kind of dictator waltz. And that's not the
Speaker 1: most unstable thing you will do in the next twenty
Speaker 1: four hour span. You are in real trouble, because within
Speaker 1: a few hours, Trump went to his only true home,
Speaker 1: his phone, and attacked Vice President Harris for refusing to
Speaker 1: do interviews, even though she had just loudly agreed to
Speaker 1: the sit down with Brett Baar on Fox News. But
Speaker 1: Trump also attacked Harris for releasing her medical records and
Speaker 1: for Harris asking why Trump had not released his, He
Speaker 1: said he had and he's too busy anyway. I've put
Speaker 1: out more medical exams than any other president in history,
Speaker 1: flatly numerically untrue, and aced two cognitive exams. The doctor
Speaker 1: stated that my cognitive exams were exceptional. I am far
Speaker 1: healthier than Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, but especially Kamala. Also,
Speaker 1: I am far too busy campaigning to take time from
Speaker 1: the twenty two days left, as I am using every
Speaker 1: hour of every day campaigning because we've got to take
Speaker 1: our country twelve forty two am. I am far too
Speaker 1: busy campaigning to take time from the twenty two days left,
Speaker 1: as I am using every hour of every day campaigning,
Speaker 1: but first the begs most disturbingly of all in this
Speaker 1: part of the Crazy Time. Trump then said Harris is
Speaker 1: physically disqualified from serving as president because her medical report,
Speaker 1: which she released when he would not release his, shows
Speaker 1: she suffers from erticaria, allergic rhinitis, and allergic conjunctive bitis.
Speaker 1: Erdicaria is hives. Allergic rhinitis is hay fever. Allergic conjunctivitis
Speaker 1: is allergy gees making your eyes itch. According to her
Speaker 1: doctor's report, she suffers from urticaria, defined as a rash
Speaker 1: of round, red welts on the skin that itch intensely,
Speaker 1: sometimes with dangerous swelling. She also has allergic rhinitis and
Speaker 1: allergic conjunctivitis, a very messy and dangerous situation. These are
Speaker 1: deeply serious conditions that clearly impact her functioning. Maybe that
Speaker 1: is why she can't answer even the simplest of questions
Speaker 1: asked by sixty Minutes and others, what is this all about?
Speaker 1: I don't have these problems. Urticaria is hives. Allergic rhinitis
Speaker 1: is hay fever. Allergic conjunctivitis is allergies making your eyes itch.
Speaker 1: You bastard. Trump either thinks or expects he can get
Speaker 1: everybody else to think that these commonplace, everyday annoyances are fatal.
Speaker 1: And then we moved to Chicago yesterday. Where to start.
Speaker 1: He's close to winning, or at least being ahead in Michigan,
Speaker 1: so he trashed Detroit. The Bloomberg British guy moderating the
Speaker 1: event asks about Google. He answers about Georgia. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I know where to start. Trump is pressed about talking
Speaker 1: to Putin after he left office that report from last week,
Speaker 1: and Trump gives the OJ Simpson Memorial answer, if I
Speaker 1: did it?
Speaker 3: Can you say yes or no whether you have talked
Speaker 3: to Vladimir Putin since you stopped being president.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't come into that, but I will tell
Speaker 2: you that if I did, it's a smart thing. If
Speaker 2: I'm friendly with people, If I have a relationship with people,
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Not a bit I think in
Speaker 2: terms of a country.
Speaker 1: Should Google be breaking up?
Speaker 2: I just haven't gotten over something the Justice Department did
Speaker 2: yesterday where Virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got
Speaker 2: rid of thousands and thousands of bad votes, and the
Speaker 2: Justice Apartment sued them that they should be allowed to
Speaker 2: put those mad votes and illegal votes back in and
Speaker 2: let the people vote. So I haven't I haven't gotten
Speaker 2: I haven't gotten over that. A lot of people have
Speaker 2: seen that. They can't even believe that.
Speaker 1: The question is about Google preston Trump.
Speaker 2: If everything works out, if everybody gets out and votes
Speaker 2: on January fifth.
Speaker 1: Y, yes, Please Trump voters, if you're voting for Trump,
Speaker 1: don't forget to vote for Trump on January fifth. January fifth.
Speaker 1: If you need a lyft on January fifth, call me all.
Speaker 1: This is nothing new. It is, in fact, so part
Speaker 1: of the Trump baseline that to say he is acting
Speaker 1: abnormally and bizarrely, even for him, even that's been reduced
Speaker 1: to white noise. But even by that measure, this is
Speaker 1: accelerating and dangerous. Because Trump may think, hey, fever, hives
Speaker 1: and itchy eyes are fatal. Nobody thinks Trump's dissociative fugue
Speaker 1: or late stage narcissistic collapse is fatal. Less it makes
Speaker 1: him decide he can fly, or unless it is a
Speaker 1: fore warning something actually going physically wrong inside his head. Well,
Speaker 1: I hate to put it this way, but all that
Speaker 1: is his problem. Unfortunately, for the rest of us, it
Speaker 1: can easily be fatal, because this man, in this condition,
Speaker 1: he could easily kill us all. And as noted before,
Speaker 1: some of the key people along the tattered, broken remains
Speaker 1: of some of our key guard rails are still sane
Speaker 1: washing him. Joseph Khan, executive editor of The New York Times,
Speaker 1: has been interviewed at length by Steve Inskeep of National
Speaker 1: Public Radio. The result is almost as disturbing as Trump
Speaker 1: playing the hits, playing the hits from that radio station
Speaker 1: that broadcasts only inside his own mind. I'm going to
Speaker 1: read a lot of the transcript of this interview verbatim
Speaker 1: because jo Con is almost as detached from reality as
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump. And unfortunately, jo Con is supposed to
Speaker 1: be on our side. And when I say our side,
Speaker 1: I mean on the side of defending democracy and opposing dictatorship.
Speaker 1: I think we can ask that much of the New
Speaker 1: York Times, mister Cohn does not understand anything of this,
Speaker 1: as you will hear. That's next. This is oh oh
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Newsy allegedly says RFK Junior wanted to possess
Speaker 1: and impregnate her. Well, who doesn't. And this report is
Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal. That's next. This is an
Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown, if I can stop horse
Speaker 1: laughing first crowing, A pleasure to have you here, thank you.
Speaker 1: This is the best news show. However, I toilet to
Speaker 1: one of your producers, and I want you to know
Speaker 1: that I've seen them all and it's just for especially
Speaker 1: the first thirty five minutes. Thank you, it's just just unparalleled.
Speaker 1: I got bad news between you and I. We got
Speaker 1: six minutes to completely strow that in the back. Yet
Speaker 1: that's good. Still ahead of us on this all new
Speaker 1: edition of Countdown. Worst person? So what do you like? Worst?
Speaker 1: The poll that has Trump up fifty one to fifty huh?
Speaker 1: Or or my ex Olivia saying RFK Junior wanted to
Speaker 1: impregnate her. According to the Wall Street Journal first postscripts
Speaker 1: to the News Dateline, New York. Sometimes stuff happens and
Speaker 1: you say, no, he can't be that stupid, he can't
Speaker 1: be that naive, he can't be that disconnected Trump. Now,
Speaker 1: I mean the editor of the New York Times. His
Speaker 1: name is Joe Kahn, and Joe con did a lengthy
Speaker 1: interview with Steve Enscape of NPR. And I don't normally
Speaker 1: read transcripts of interviews, but it's not like I can
Speaker 1: just play the whole interview. I mean, there are still
Speaker 1: copyrights in this country. And the thing is the relevant
Speaker 1: parts of that interview, the parts about how the Times
Speaker 1: has drifted off to c and is headed towards Iceberg's
Speaker 1: but everybody on board thinks they're still tied up at
Speaker 1: Peer eighty three at forty second Street on the Hudson.
Speaker 1: They're so startling. I kind of have to read it
Speaker 1: and try to translate as we go along. So it
Speaker 1: starts with the NPR guy in skeep noting that nobody
Speaker 1: would have ever believed The Times would be under such
Speaker 1: assault from the left, and Joe con says, and I'll
Speaker 1: interrupt him when necessary. Quote. I struggle with it often
Speaker 1: because the left has really high expectations of the New
Speaker 1: York Time. I think some of them honestly distorted. There's
Speaker 1: a desire to see one of the leading journalistic institutions
Speaker 1: in American life be a full throated supporter of the
Speaker 1: view that many on the left have, which is that
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is an existential threat to our society and
Speaker 1: that all of the New York Times coverage should be
Speaker 1: uniform in emphasizing that point day in and day out,
Speaker 1: how did you feel about Hitler? Well, we know how
Speaker 1: the Times felt about Hitler. They downplayed the threat of
Speaker 1: Hitler too until it was too late. Because this idea
Speaker 1: of never taking an opinion, never ever deciding whether or
Speaker 1: not it's actually raining, but deferring to some expert somewhere
Speaker 1: who has his head out the window and is going,
Speaker 1: I'm wet it's raining. We can quote him. That has
Speaker 1: been part and parcel of this operation, but it's never
Speaker 1: had to deal with this society being in jeopardy before.
Speaker 1: And Joe con does not see the difference. If you
Speaker 1: go back and look at how the New York Times
Speaker 1: covered the Civil War, there was no question they agreed
Speaker 1: that the South was an existential threat to our society
Speaker 1: and that people were dying, and that Times coverage should
Speaker 1: be uniform in emphasizing that point in and day out.
Speaker 1: To resume quote, and then we would be playing the
Speaker 1: role that some on the left see is our proper role.
Speaker 1: We don't see that as our proper role, which is
Speaker 1: not to say that we don't have really aggressive coverage
Speaker 1: about the threats that Donald Trump and some of the
Speaker 1: people around him would pose to norms in American society.
Speaker 1: To the rule of law. Would he thinks it's would
Speaker 1: would pose he's doing it now. He's destroying American society. Now,
Speaker 1: even if he loses, he's already done untold damage to
Speaker 1: the society. And you're still putting it in the theoretical
Speaker 1: he's an election denialist and has a variety of plans
Speaker 1: in place that would weaken some of the institutions of
Speaker 1: democracy in American life. While one hundred percent is some,
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent is some, one percent is not some.
Speaker 1: We've made that very clear. What we've also made clear
Speaker 1: is that he has the potential to win the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four election, either in the popular voter in the
Speaker 1: electoral college. That a lot of people around the country
Speaker 1: hear things from Donald Trump that they like and that
Speaker 1: makes them very strong supporters of him, That his favorability
Speaker 1: ratings have actually risen from the time that he ended
Speaker 1: his presidency, and that he speaks for some of the
Speaker 1: frustrations and grievances in American life, and we feel we
Speaker 1: need to reflect those as well, because we need to
Speaker 1: provide a full, fair and complete picture of the country
Speaker 1: and its voters. And we're not ourselves voters. What we
Speaker 1: are is an information source for voters who want good, accurate,
Speaker 1: fair information about our country. I'll translate that, and I
Speaker 1: don't think Joe Cohn would like it if he's covering Hitler.
Speaker 1: What he's saying here is Hitler had some good ideas.
Speaker 1: Trump has some good ideas, so we should listen to
Speaker 1: the good ideas. Never mind that the good ideas inexorably
Speaker 1: and utterly are connected to the disastrous ones that could
Speaker 1: kill us. All. It is the Times in a nutshell.
Speaker 1: They will point out, well, he speaks for a lot
Speaker 1: of the country. Those people are crazy and they want
Speaker 1: to destroy American democracy, but he speaks for them. I
Speaker 1: don't know how about the Boston strangler, who speaks for strangling?
Speaker 1: A question from Nskeep of NPR. Your publisher, Ag Selzberger
Speaker 1: wrote an op ed that he submitted to The Washington
Speaker 1: Post some days ago in which he talked about this
Speaker 1: organization's thinking about the immediate future and the possibility of
Speaker 1: a second Trump term, and he disclosed that You've spent
Speaker 1: several months studying authoritarian countries and the way that the
Speaker 1: press has been undermined there, to prepare for what possibilities
Speaker 1: there might be here. What is the research that you've done,
Speaker 1: Joe Con answers, Well, we've certainly covered this issue as
Speaker 1: a news story around the world, and as you said,
Speaker 1: the publisher devoted a team of people in a significant
Speaker 1: effort to looking at the ways in which the rule
Speaker 1: of law protections for the press could be worn away
Speaker 1: by either authoritarian leaders or by populist leaders who rally
Speaker 1: their supporters against independent media. Well, thank goodness you studied
Speaker 1: it before they came up and shot your newspaper in
Speaker 1: the head Joe, thank god. Don't try to defend it.
Speaker 1: Just report on it. I've just been shot in the head.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you what we saw before I blackout
Speaker 1: and then die. I just was shot in the head.
Speaker 1: Let me report on it like a good times man.
Speaker 1: The question from innskeep and the question was how do
Speaker 1: we survive in that environment, Joe con says. And one
Speaker 1: of the answers to that is the publisher made the
Speaker 1: decision to make it very clear that part of the
Speaker 1: solution to that is building a strong coalition of people
Speaker 1: in this country who are determined to maintain freedoms of
Speaker 1: the press as they are in the constitution. Yes, I
Speaker 1: think that strong coalition of people in this country as
Speaker 1: opposed to Trump with all the military resources and the
Speaker 1: desire to use the US military on US soil, especially
Speaker 1: against the people he personally does not like, Like say,
Speaker 1: everybody who's ever worked to with, or for or subscribe
Speaker 1: to The New York Times. I think I think your
Speaker 1: coalition will really stand up and defend American freedom of
Speaker 1: the press and democracy and its role in democracy for
Speaker 1: a solid sixteen seventeen minutes. You're an idiot, jo Con,
Speaker 1: and he's not done yet. Quote. And we shouldn't pretend
Speaker 1: that they're only vulnerable in a place like Hungary or Turkey,
Speaker 1: except that's exactly what you're doing, pretending that they are
Speaker 1: also vulnerable here unless there's a strong constituency of people
Speaker 1: who are determined to protect them. That obviously includes, but
Speaker 1: can't be limited to the media itself. It has to
Speaker 1: include the vast majority of Americans who benefit form having
Speaker 1: a vigorous and free press, So building popular support for
Speaker 1: that is critical. Jo Con has actually said this, We're
Speaker 1: going to rely on our readers and good, trustworthy, patriotic
Speaker 1: Americans to come to our defense. When trust in the
Speaker 1: news media as a whole has literally statistically never been
Speaker 1: lower than it is right now. And that includes, and
Speaker 1: this will surprise the people at the New York Times.
Speaker 1: The American media includes the New York Times. The lack
Speaker 1: of trust in the American media includes lack of trust
Speaker 1: in the New York Times. They don't realize that they
Speaker 1: think they are a separate entity. They think they are
Speaker 1: a living statue. They think they are a living church.
Speaker 1: They have some sort of monumental arch. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he's going to have a coalition. Your coalition is going
Speaker 1: to be standing there defending freedom of the press with
Speaker 1: a petition. If Trump gets back into office, it's going
Speaker 1: to require a rebel to get him out of office
Speaker 1: or his death. He's not leaving otherwise, he's not. Don't
Speaker 1: you see this. You're in the news business. I would
Speaker 1: think this would qualify his news. Oh no, no, Just
Speaker 1: give me two wordles a day and I'll be happy.
Speaker 1: Another question from Enskeep of NPR. People will write people
Speaker 1: who are opposed to Donald Trump, and they will say,
Speaker 1: why are you covering the election the way that you are?
Speaker 1: You should be covering it the way I say, because
Speaker 1: if Trump wins, you'll be in jail. Here was the
Speaker 1: answer to that one yeah, we do hear that. And
Speaker 1: you know, I should acknowledge that covering Donald Trump is
Speaker 1: a challenge. It's a challenge every single day. Oh thank god,
Speaker 1: jo Con, I didn't know you knew that. That's not
Speaker 1: a joke. I literally did not know that anybody at
Speaker 1: The New York Times understood that it was a challenge
Speaker 1: every day. There are some moments in which we think
Speaker 1: we need to present Donald Trump in a full, unfiltered
Speaker 1: way so that people can hear the kinds of things
Speaker 1: that he's saying in his wrath and saying on truth
Speaker 1: Social his social media site, and not try to put
Speaker 1: them in a kind of fact checked or you know,
Speaker 1: overly contextualized context, because people should hear the raw Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And then there's criticism on the other side that you're
Speaker 1: giving them a platform, that you're just allowing him to
Speaker 1: say whatever he's going to say, steal the agenda. So
Speaker 1: which way is right? Actually we struggle with that ourselves too.
Speaker 1: I think people too need to hear to some extent,
Speaker 1: the unfiltered Donald Trump, but they also need to have us,
Speaker 1: you know, provide that kind of factual correction on page
Speaker 1: b thirty two, And we need to be conscious about
Speaker 1: not just providing Donald Trump with an open mic. Except
Speaker 1: every headline about Donald Trump, except the one about his
Speaker 1: mental condition from last Sunday, has provided him with an
Speaker 1: open mic and an open mind and a sense that, no,
Speaker 1: he's probably not crazy, No he's probably not hitler. No
Speaker 1: he's probably not a dictator. Let's just quote him and
Speaker 1: see if we can make it as d flavorized as possible. Quote.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any magic formula to doing it.
Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of journalists talking to each other,
Speaker 1: looking at the facts every day, trying to decide the
Speaker 1: best way of conveying all the aspects of the Trump campaign.
Speaker 1: And you know, do we always get it right? I
Speaker 1: don't know if we always get it right. You don't
Speaker 1: always get it right, moron. I know that we're always
Speaker 1: trying our best to serve the broadest possible readership with
Speaker 1: the best journalism about him that we can. I forget
Speaker 1: who it was who said that. As the Democrats are
Speaker 1: being led into the concentration camps, along with all of
Speaker 1: the Hispanics and everybody from Haiti, and eventually all the
Speaker 1: African Americans and eventually all the minorities and all the
Speaker 1: Jewish people and everybody else. As we're all led into
Speaker 1: the camps by Trump's I don't know s FS or
Speaker 1: whatever he's going to call STS or STD. As we're
Speaker 1: all let in there, one guy can turn to another
Speaker 1: and said, well, on the other hand, at least we
Speaker 1: followed all the rules. Would you argue he's asked that
Speaker 1: you ought to cover the election in a straightforward way
Speaker 1: as you see it, even if it does mean you
Speaker 1: might end up in jail sometime. Quote, well, I mean
Speaker 1: we've devoted a lot of resources to covering what you
Speaker 1: would broadly refer to as kind of the fragility of
Speaker 1: the legal system and the fragility of our democracy. I
Speaker 1: don't consider that to be a partisan issue. I think
Speaker 1: that is something that we will come at directly. It's
Speaker 1: inside two weeks to the election, buddy, When is it
Speaker 1: that you're going to come at this directly? We've put
Speaker 1: it front and center in our election coverage, both the
Speaker 1: election integrity issue and where the candidates stand on that.
Speaker 1: What the election integrity issue? Do you mean that he's
Speaker 1: going to try to steal the election again or his
Speaker 1: claims that there's something wrong with the elections now are
Speaker 1: in the past, and it's very clear that there's a
Speaker 1: sharp difference between the candidates on that issue. The ability
Speaker 1: of the legal system to withstand the kind of retribution
Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is promising, you know, the resilience in
Speaker 1: the judicial system, the issue of independence of the Department
Speaker 1: of Justice and the FBI, which he would like to erode.
Speaker 1: We've devoted a lot of resources to that. Did you
Speaker 1: ever see the movie Monty Python's Meaning of Life where
Speaker 1: they're having a board meeting at an American corporation and
Speaker 1: Graham Chapman says, item number twelve on the agenda, the
Speaker 1: Meaning of Life, Stan, I understand you've had a team
Speaker 1: working on this, and Stan, played by Michael Palin, says, yes,
Speaker 1: that's right, and we've found it divides into two observations.
Speaker 1: Number one, people are not wearing enough hats. Two, matter
Speaker 1: is energy. What we believe to be life is in
Speaker 1: fact a series of vibration, on and on and on
Speaker 1: and on and on and on and on and on
Speaker 1: and on. He goes and finally, at the end of
Speaker 1: this presentation, with the music swelling in the background, Terry Jones,
Speaker 1: the late Terry Jones, my friend looks up from the
Speaker 1: board table and goes, what was that about hats again?
Speaker 1: And Palin goes back through his pages of notes about
Speaker 1: the meaning of life and goes, uh, people are not
Speaker 1: wearing enough of them, And Terry Jones, with rage in
Speaker 1: his voice, goes, when you say enough enough for what purpose?
Speaker 1: We've devoted a lot of resources to that, whether or
Speaker 1: not you know Trump is going to take the legal
Speaker 1: system and direct it say, you know, all of us,
Speaker 1: including the New York Times, We've devoted a lot of
Speaker 1: resources to that. What was that about hats again? New
Speaker 1: York Times? Hats? I mean caps with our logo on it?
Speaker 1: Does the logo have the wordle logo on the back?
Speaker 1: Because that could really increase usage, especially while everybody's in jail.
Speaker 1: You can get Wi Fi in jail, can't you. We've
Speaker 1: devoted a lot of resources to that, said mister Cohn.
Speaker 1: We had a very excellent piece looking at retribution and
Speaker 1: how it played out through the judicial system in Trump's
Speaker 1: first term and what he would do differently this time.
Speaker 1: That makes that issue utterly clear. So I don't think
Speaker 1: we're standing by while these threats exist. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's the same thing as saying that we don't also
Speaker 1: cover all the other issues on voters' minds. I think
Speaker 1: we have to do both, and we are doing both.
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the headline in the Times if Trump wins.
Speaker 1: The only thing I'll be reading after that. As I pack,
Speaker 1: the only thing I will be reading is the following
Speaker 1: the Times headline that reads, We're all going to hell comma,
Speaker 1: some say from Steve Inskeep's interview with Joe con, executive
Speaker 1: editor of the New York Times, who thinks he is
Speaker 1: doing exactly what it is obvious to everybody else in
Speaker 1: the world, including real journalism critics like NYU's Jay Rosen
Speaker 1: and real journalists like the great James Follows what is
Speaker 1: clear to them and everybody else that he is not doing.
Speaker 1: And the through line is, no matter how bad it gets,
Speaker 1: Joe CON's going to be fair and balanced between the
Speaker 1: psychopath who would be Hitler, who wants to kill him,
Speaker 1: and the other presidential candidate who doesn't because there will
Speaker 1: always be in New York Times. That's the through line.
Speaker 1: And his answers, They'll always be a New York Times.
Speaker 1: It's a law. He didn't actually say there will always
Speaker 1: be a New York Times, but he might as well.
Speaker 1: That's the whole premise. Yes, there are many problems here,
Speaker 1: but none of them are going to affect me. I
Speaker 1: know the water is up to my neck, but it's fine.
Speaker 1: I read this and I flashed back to November nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: One of my first bosses was the bureau chief of
Speaker 1: another really important and venerable and at one point truly
Speaker 1: respected news organizations that was part of the firmament as
Speaker 1: clear and as regular as the moon in the nighttime sky,
Speaker 1: United Press International. He was the bureau chief of United
Speaker 1: Press Internationals radio network UPI Audio. His name was Stan Sabek.
Speaker 1: I can never think of Stan Sabek without smiling. The
Speaker 1: amount of crap he put up with from me I
Speaker 1: can't count that high. But he once told me that
Speaker 1: if he was ever remembered for anything in broadcasting, it
Speaker 1: would be for giving me my first real job. And
Speaker 1: I had to go in one day in November nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty and tell him I would be leaving to go
Speaker 1: and work for a different radio network. He was absolutely stunned.
Speaker 1: Could you leave you, Pi, Stan? I'd work for you forever.
Speaker 1: But two months ago your drunken boss came in here
Speaker 1: drunk saw you and me arguing about something and laughing
Speaker 1: at the same time, and he fired me. Had to
Speaker 1: get the union involved. I would have been fired. But
Speaker 1: how could you leave UPI Stan? This new job at
Speaker 1: RKO pays me forty percent more for like forty percent
Speaker 1: less work. That's one thing. And they're full of other
Speaker 1: people my age, kids like me who want to do
Speaker 1: things that'll make radio better and keep the business alive.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if you noticed this, it's in
Speaker 1: trouble now, Stan laughed. But RKDO has only been around
Speaker 1: for one year. UPI's existed. We've been here since nineteen
Speaker 1: oh seven, and we're full of kids working here. You're
Speaker 1: a kid working here. Why would you ever leave UPI Stan?
Speaker 1: How many people under thirty have left in the last
Speaker 1: six months? I mean how many just from the from
Speaker 1: the sports desk out there in the main newsroom. You're
Speaker 1: not paying as much as a newspaper in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: You just lost a guy into a newspaper in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be twenty two and two months. The
Speaker 1: next youngest person at the radio network is thirty four.
Speaker 1: If your bosses keep treating young writers and young sportscasters
Speaker 1: like you've treated me. There won't be a UPI in
Speaker 1: ten years now, Stan Sabic braid with laughter. OK, seriously,
Speaker 1: there will always be a UPI. Twenty months later, UPI
Speaker 1: was sold and downsized, and the radio network was moved
Speaker 1: from New York to Washington. Stan Sabek left to become
Speaker 1: manager of a restaurant in Katona, New York. In New
Speaker 1: Year two thousand, UPI was sold again to the Unification
Speaker 1: Church of South Korea. To the Moonies, there will always
Speaker 1: be a UPI, And from what I heard Joe Khn
Speaker 1: say in that interview, he has that same certainty that
Speaker 1: there will always be a New York Times, even if
Speaker 1: it's printed by the prisoners in cell block. Eh. Nothing
Speaker 1: Trump could ever do could change that. But first, here's
Speaker 1: Pavarotti and guns n' roses, worsts and the exact moment
Speaker 1: at which your ex and her ex become irresistibly funny
Speaker 1: to you. That's next. This is countdown, messing with the
Speaker 1: format today because there's so much news. There's too much news,
Speaker 1: please please. I can only handle so much news, please,
Speaker 1: But there's still more new idiots to talk about. The
Speaker 1: daily roundup of the misgrants, morons, dunning Krueger effects specimens,
Speaker 1: and ex girlfriends who constitute today's worse persons in the world.
Speaker 1: I'm so tired the morons. Russell Brand. You remember Russell Brand.
Speaker 1: He's now all king an amulet to protect you from
Speaker 1: corrupting signals at airports. You wear it, or you stick
Speaker 1: it on your phone, or you stick it up your
Speaker 1: Russell Brand and it protects you from Wi Fi signals
Speaker 1: and electronics and waves and other evil energies, he says,
Speaker 1: evil energies. And it only costs two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: nine dollars and ninety nine cents. And you say it
Speaker 1: protects me from all evil energies. You mean it protects
Speaker 1: me from Russell Brand. What a bargain? The runner up
Speaker 1: worser the Twitter x account. Politics polls now, I know
Speaker 1: everybody thinks the Poles are better, or at least the
Speaker 1: Polsters are trying harder this year, but coming down the stretch,
Speaker 1: speaking only for myself, my confidence is shaken at politics
Speaker 1: polls posted this yesterday Pennsylvania via American Pulse US poll
Speaker 1: Trump fifty one percent, Harris fifty percent, one ninety three
Speaker 1: likely voters tend to wait fifty one to fifty. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just a simple country lawyer who never got no
Speaker 1: further than third grade advanced theory of relativity studies back
Speaker 1: in school in my one room schoolhouse, but back where
Speaker 1: I comes from, a prediction of a fifty one percent
Speaker 1: to fifty percent outcome might be raising some eyebrowses. The award,
Speaker 1: you'll notice, went to the Twitter aggregation account, not to
Speaker 1: American Pulse Polling, even though they are wobbly right wingers,
Speaker 1: because as American Pulse Polling says, somebody don't know how
Speaker 1: to round up their numbers in Pennsylvania. Are actually Trump
Speaker 1: fifty point five, Harris forty nine point five, And you
Speaker 1: can't round up when you're already at one hundred. That's
Speaker 1: how that works. Somebody went to fifty one and forty
Speaker 1: nine and the man to fifty. You got it now? In
Speaker 1: any event, don't tell that bizarre guy Kornaky about this,
Speaker 1: who I also got started on TV at Current TV
Speaker 1: on the recommendation of are You ready? Kornaki was recommended
Speaker 1: to me by Olivia Newsy And then one day he
Speaker 1: didn't show up because he'd signed a contract with MSNBC
Speaker 1: and he didn't bother to tell any of us at
Speaker 1: current if that twerp Kornaki, here's that there's a poll
Speaker 1: out there that's fifty one fifty Trump over Harris. His
Speaker 1: head may fall off. But our winner? Why Olivia Newsey
Speaker 1: and Ryan Liza and Rfkate Junior? You choose, I'm too
Speaker 1: busy laughing, truth be told, I was just beginning to
Speaker 1: get tense about the election, and somebody had just asked
Speaker 1: me that story with your ex and RFK Junior just
Speaker 1: kind of petered out, didn't it. And I said, what
Speaker 1: do you mean by peterd And then I said, don't worry.
Speaker 1: It'll pick up again when New York Magazine fires her
Speaker 1: and Politico fires him, And I guarantee you both of
Speaker 1: those things are going to happen, and then they will
Speaker 1: sue New York Magazine. She'll sue New New York Magazine
Speaker 1: and he'll sue Political although it'd be much more interesting
Speaker 1: if they switched then, and when Cheryl Hines sues him
Speaker 1: for divorce, you watch it'll pick up, ben. But truth
Speaker 1: be told, I was beginning to worry. I mean, I'd
Speaker 1: really come to depend upon this story to cheer me
Speaker 1: up and to make me believe in a caring universe
Speaker 1: that clearly wanted me to get all the laughter and
Speaker 1: vengeance I could ever eat without ever having asked for it.
Speaker 1: And then there was a news story yesterday he you
Speaker 1: may work. Call Olivia, who is the mother of my
Speaker 1: two oldest dogs, sued her ex fiancee, Liza, the most
Speaker 1: boring guest in the history of Countdown, claiming he had
Speaker 1: hacked her phone and leaked the RFK story and tried
Speaker 1: to blackmail her into getting back together. And you know
Speaker 1: sex clearly, if the story is true, what he should
Speaker 1: have done. He did this wrong strategically. What he should
Speaker 1: have done was call her up on the phone. Am
Speaker 1: I right now? Liza has responded. His court answer is
Speaker 1: in and in it, he says, quoting a news report,
Speaker 1: she admitted to having a romantic affair with Kennedy and
Speaker 1: that she described the relationship as toxic, unhealthy, psychotic, and indefensible.
Speaker 1: Liza said Newsy told him that Kennedy wanted to possess
Speaker 1: control and impregnate her. Same so wait, RFK wanted to
Speaker 1: impregnate her while the entirety of the relationship was conducted
Speaker 1: on FaceTime. I know that's insane, but at least I
Speaker 1: begin to understand what she may have meant when she
Speaker 1: supposedly reportedly said his FaceTime sexual prowess was highlighted by
Speaker 1: his stamina. Don't worry, Hun, I can impregnate you by
Speaker 1: a long distance man. Her relationship with me when I
Speaker 1: was I don't know, seven hundred years older than her,
Speaker 1: it was like the most normal thing that ever happened
Speaker 1: to her. I mean we had dogs. I mean it
Speaker 1: was it's so in retrospect, so boring. It's unbelievable. You
Speaker 1: went out with Attila the hun. Yeah, it was the
Speaker 1: most boring relationship. Also from this story, long distance Liza
Speaker 1: claims news he said quote there was a huge power
Speaker 1: disparity between herself and RFK Junior. Lizia said he didn't
Speaker 1: steal her hack any of Newsy's devices, as she claimed,
Speaker 1: everything I know about her affair comes directly from Ms
Speaker 1: Newzy herself, he wrote in a statement. Newsy's council also
Speaker 1: said Liz's filing was full of salacious and irrelevant claims
Speaker 1: that we will not dignify with a response and here denial.
Speaker 1: The council said. Newsy, who was granted a temporary protection
Speaker 1: order is taking legal action to ensure her safety and
Speaker 1: be left alone. I hate to tell you this live
Speaker 1: the be left Alone part. That ship has sailed circle
Speaker 1: back on being left alone around the year twenty thirty
Speaker 1: three four, The report says. A rep for RFK Junior says,
Speaker 1: this description of his relationship with Olivia is quote not true.
Speaker 1: I mean, what did you expect. What sort of statement
Speaker 1: did you expect? He was going to say? Wait, which
Speaker 1: phone number was she? He does sound like Krusty the clown?
Speaker 1: What There was also a detail that they buried at
Speaker 1: the end of their story. Liza says in the filing
Speaker 1: that he broke off his engagement to Newsy in August,
Speaker 1: after which Newsy pleaded to reconsider rekindling their relationship. Liza
Speaker 1: also alleged that Newsy had a separate affair in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty that allegedly compromised the pair's book deal. Now, this
Speaker 1: is an observation. For two years, their bios said they
Speaker 1: were working on this book on Trump. It was going
Speaker 1: to come out in twenty twenty. Then in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: their bios changed to they were working on a book
Speaker 1: on Trump with no date on it. This idea that
Speaker 1: she screwed around and screwed up their book deal is
Speaker 1: so on point about their relationship that it is as
Speaker 1: if it were scripted. You may have noticed my attitude
Speaker 1: towards this has been in large part, in one word,
Speaker 1: popcornian or on both your houses. And again, given RFK
Speaker 1: Junior's involvement, this might be literally correct. About the pox,
Speaker 1: I really haven't decided who I would help if asked.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I know stuff I know, stuff
Speaker 1: that they don't know I know. But I will say
Speaker 1: they were perfectly matched. I mean Liza and Newsy. I
Speaker 1: mentioned once that when we still lived together, Olivia Newsy
Speaker 1: would go to Washington a lot on stories and she'd
Speaker 1: always say, do you know this guy, Liza, he's stalking me,
Speaker 1: although she used that word stalker very very very loosely.
Speaker 1: As time elapsed and more and more of her issues
Speaker 1: came to the fore, and eventually they led to our
Speaker 1: breakup when I found out then later that she and
Speaker 1: Liza were dating. And this is before he was fired
Speaker 1: by the New Yorker, where she wanted to work, and
Speaker 1: she wanted to work there with a passion that really
Speaker 1: didn't seem rational. It was very extreme. I had half
Speaker 1: a thought to send him a text saying, listen, Pal,
Speaker 1: I don't want to alarm you, but if one day
Speaker 1: she kills you and then wears your body into the
Speaker 1: New Yorker offices and tells everybody she is you, don't
Speaker 1: say I didn't warn you. Anyway. I haven't mentioned which
Speaker 1: news outlet I've been quoting, because that may be the
Speaker 1: funniest part of the whole thing. The story I have
Speaker 1: been reading to you is from the Wall Street Journal,
Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal. This is in the Wall Street Turtle. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: my scandal has been covered by the American Academy of
Speaker 1: Crossword Solving Artists magazine quarterly. My God, it's covered the
Speaker 1: Wall Street Turtle. Now they played it kind of blot
Speaker 1: to their credit, not the fellow Murdoch owned New York Post,
Speaker 1: which of course put this on the front page again
Speaker 1: and added something the journal did not have quote. The
Speaker 1: couple spent a few weekends together following the breakup, where
Speaker 1: e Liza describes a sobbing Newsy expelling her love and loneliness,
Speaker 1: along with her fear that Liza would never contact her again.
Speaker 1: The filing read Olivia, my ex Ryan, Liza and rfk
Speaker 1: June wait expelling she was quote expelling her love. I'm
Speaker 1: hoping the postwriters simply got the wrong word there, or
Speaker 1: or I don't even want to know what the ore
Speaker 1: could be. Two day's worse persons and the world ex spelling.
Speaker 1: They've done all the damage they can do here. Thank
Speaker 1: you for listening. We are now back to five episodes
Speaker 1: a week, posting nightly just after midnight Eastern. Honest to god,
Speaker 1: I was thinking of retiring after the election, but I
Speaker 1: have to stick around just for this story, don't I
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Speaker 1: a Monday countdown. If I can be bothered to work
Speaker 1: on a Sunday night, you can be bothered to listen
Speaker 1: on a Monday. Please send this podcast, or at lease
Speaker 1: the link to it to somebody who does not know
Speaker 1: that they need to listen, but should You could send
Speaker 1: it to Olivia. And the thing is I never actually
Speaker 1: wished them ill. She brought me into the world of dogs.
Speaker 1: That does not mean I'm not going to sit here
Speaker 1: and laugh through all this, and I will testify if subpoenaed,
Speaker 1: because Brian Ray and John Phillip Shanelle, the musical directors,
Speaker 1: have kept down and arranged, produced and performed most of
Speaker 1: our music. Also, you know, if you know any other
Speaker 1: listeners to this podcast who bail out after the opening
Speaker 1: segment or even after Worst Persons, which is usually in
Speaker 1: the B block, you should tell them to listen to
Speaker 1: the whole show today. I mean, even if it takes
Speaker 1: a couple of days. Because there's a lot in this show,
Speaker 1: isn't there this particular one, This one goes up on
Speaker 1: the wall somewhere. I'd like to see it inscribed in tablets.
Speaker 1: Mister Chanale of Ray and Shanelle handled orchestration and keyboards.
Speaker 1: Mister Ray on the guitars, bass and drums. It was
Speaker 1: produced by Tko Brothers. Our satirical and pithy musical comments
Speaker 1: are by the best baseball stadium organist, every Nancy Faust.
Speaker 1: The sports music is the Old Woman theme from ESPN
Speaker 1: two by Mitch Horren Davis Curtesy of ESPN Inc. Other
Speaker 1: music arranged and performed by No Horns Allowed, or played
Speaker 1: from the Donald Trump in his own head radio station playlist.
Speaker 1: My announcer today is my late friend and hero, George Carlin.
Speaker 1: Everything else was pretty much my fault, although today most
Speaker 1: of it was not my fault. That's countdown for today,
Speaker 1: two weeks and six days until the twenty twenty four
Speaker 1: presidential election and the one three hundred and eightieth day
Speaker 1: since convicted felon dementia j fugue state Trump's first attempted
Speaker 1: coop against the democratically elected government of the United States.
Speaker 1: Use the election, use the mental health system, use presidential
Speaker 1: immunity to keep him from doing it again. Wow, we
Speaker 1: still have a chance. The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow
Speaker 1: Bolton's as the news requires. Until the next one, I'm
Speaker 1: Keith ol Ruman. Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight, and oh
Speaker 1: look I can hit the post. Good Luck Countdown with
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