1 00:00:04,835 --> 00:00:21,435 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. It 2 00:00:21,475 --> 00:00:27,515 Speaker 1: is now day three of Trump's fugue State crisis from 3 00:00:27,515 --> 00:00:30,795 Speaker 1: Monday night at Oaks, Pennsylvania, when Trump abruptly stopped the 4 00:00:30,835 --> 00:00:34,995 Speaker 1: town hall inexplicably and began to slur and behave bizarrely 5 00:00:35,435 --> 00:00:38,755 Speaker 1: through his announcement that Kamala Harris is physically disqualified from 6 00:00:38,795 --> 00:00:43,035 Speaker 1: being president because she has hay fever, through his canceling 7 00:00:43,035 --> 00:00:46,315 Speaker 1: of a softball interview on CNBC the same day she 8 00:00:46,475 --> 00:00:49,515 Speaker 1: was to be interviewed by Fox to the question from 9 00:00:49,555 --> 00:00:52,835 Speaker 1: the Economic Club of Chicago about whether or not Google 10 00:00:52,915 --> 00:00:55,755 Speaker 1: should be broken up, which he answered by talking about 11 00:00:56,035 --> 00:01:00,875 Speaker 1: voting in Georgia. Day three of this and we still 12 00:01:00,915 --> 00:01:04,995 Speaker 1: have no official explanation for the series of episodes in 13 00:01:05,035 --> 00:01:09,075 Speaker 1: which Trump has seemed to recede from reality, though there 14 00:01:09,275 --> 00:01:13,675 Speaker 1: is an amazingly disturbing suggestion from an expert on cults 15 00:01:13,955 --> 00:01:17,195 Speaker 1: himself a cult survivor, who says, this is what cult 16 00:01:17,315 --> 00:01:23,435 Speaker 1: leaders do when they run out, when their repertoire shrinks 17 00:01:23,875 --> 00:01:28,315 Speaker 1: and their talking points melt. That explanation in a moment, 18 00:01:28,675 --> 00:01:32,115 Speaker 1: and the media reaction and non reaction and the one 19 00:01:32,235 --> 00:01:36,195 Speaker 1: news outlet that did not sainwash the start of the 20 00:01:36,195 --> 00:01:41,355 Speaker 1: Fugue state crisis, but first the start of the fugue 21 00:01:41,475 --> 00:01:45,475 Speaker 1: state crisis. As two people in the crowd fainted. Trump 22 00:01:45,555 --> 00:01:48,635 Speaker 1: cut off his town hall after four questions and then 23 00:01:49,475 --> 00:01:53,875 Speaker 1: stood there on stage for thirty nine minutes. 24 00:01:54,515 --> 00:01:57,595 Speaker 2: Let's not do any more questions, Let's just listen to music. 25 00:01:57,675 --> 00:02:01,595 Speaker 1: Let's make it into it for music. Judah Hell wants 26 00:02:01,595 --> 00:02:09,995 Speaker 1: to hear questions. Music mixed number seven million went on 27 00:02:10,075 --> 00:02:14,875 Speaker 1: for thirty nine minutes. Thirty nine minutes, thirty nine minutes 28 00:02:14,915 --> 00:02:18,515 Speaker 1: of him standing there as music that he selected played, 29 00:02:18,715 --> 00:02:23,075 Speaker 1: music ranging from time to Say Goodbye to Nothing Compares 30 00:02:23,115 --> 00:02:29,235 Speaker 1: to You, to Ave Maria to Ymca to Elvis singing Dixer, 31 00:02:30,355 --> 00:02:35,875 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you very much. The thirty nine missteps 32 00:02:36,155 --> 00:02:40,915 Speaker 1: for you, Hitchcock fans. Even the Washington Post noticed its 33 00:02:40,955 --> 00:02:45,115 Speaker 1: headline made its own headlines. Trump sways and bops to 34 00:02:45,275 --> 00:02:49,435 Speaker 1: music for thirty nine minutes in bizarre town hall episode. 35 00:02:49,595 --> 00:02:52,995 Speaker 1: Vice President Kamala Harris has called Trump seventy eight unstable 36 00:02:53,155 --> 00:02:58,355 Speaker 1: and questioned his mental acuity. The Post used real words 37 00:02:59,235 --> 00:03:02,915 Speaker 1: and phrases like meandering, almost as if he were taking 38 00:03:02,915 --> 00:03:06,195 Speaker 1: a trip back to decades past, and it repeated bizarre 39 00:03:06,435 --> 00:03:10,715 Speaker 1: and bopped and presumably most odious to Trump. The post 40 00:03:10,795 --> 00:03:20,715 Speaker 1: said he quote stood on stage in his oversize suit. Ooh. 41 00:03:21,075 --> 00:03:24,995 Speaker 1: The Post, though, was alone in refusing to sainwash whatever 42 00:03:25,075 --> 00:03:29,115 Speaker 1: malfunctioned inside Trump, and by the way, continued to malfunction 43 00:03:29,195 --> 00:03:31,955 Speaker 1: in a series of posts later Monday night and throughout 44 00:03:31,955 --> 00:03:35,755 Speaker 1: the day. On Tuesday, Trump bobs his head to music 45 00:03:35,835 --> 00:03:39,875 Speaker 1: for thirty minutes in odd town hall detour The New 46 00:03:39,915 --> 00:03:43,195 Speaker 1: York Times. Of course, after multiple interruptions, Trump cut off 47 00:03:43,275 --> 00:03:45,115 Speaker 1: questions and seemed to decide that it would be more 48 00:03:45,195 --> 00:03:48,275 Speaker 1: enjoyable for all concerned, and it appeared for himself if 49 00:03:48,315 --> 00:03:51,555 Speaker 1: he fired up his campaign playlist. The Times can read 50 00:03:51,595 --> 00:03:55,555 Speaker 1: Trump's mind about how he seemed to decide and how 51 00:03:55,595 --> 00:03:59,195 Speaker 1: it appeared for himself that it would be better to 52 00:03:59,235 --> 00:04:01,875 Speaker 1: play music in the middle of a campaign event, but 53 00:04:02,035 --> 00:04:04,755 Speaker 1: it could never say something like it seemed an appear 54 00:04:04,875 --> 00:04:10,315 Speaker 1: he was lying through his effing teeth. Trump's Pennsylvania town 55 00:04:10,395 --> 00:04:16,995 Speaker 1: hall turns into impromptu concert after medical incidents. The headline 56 00:04:17,035 --> 00:04:20,115 Speaker 1: in the Associated Press turns into as if it were 57 00:04:20,155 --> 00:04:27,875 Speaker 1: transformed by magical potions from Harry Potter. Medical incidents, as 58 00:04:27,875 --> 00:04:33,595 Speaker 1: if Trump didn't clearly have one a day and the 59 00:04:33,595 --> 00:04:36,355 Speaker 1: worst of them all. Trump turned a town hall event 60 00:04:36,435 --> 00:04:40,075 Speaker 1: in front of supporters in Pennsylvania, wrote NBC News, into 61 00:04:40,115 --> 00:04:46,875 Speaker 1: an impromptu listening party Monday night. Somebody who did not 62 00:04:47,115 --> 00:04:53,275 Speaker 1: sinewash this listening party, my ass, was the Vice President 63 00:04:53,355 --> 00:04:54,355 Speaker 1: of the United States. 64 00:04:54,755 --> 00:04:56,995 Speaker 3: His staff won't let him do a sixty minutes interview. 65 00:04:58,035 --> 00:05:00,755 Speaker 3: Every president for the last half century has done on 66 00:05:00,875 --> 00:05:04,675 Speaker 3: anyone who's running for president. Everyone has done it except 67 00:05:04,755 --> 00:05:09,035 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. He will not debate me again. I put 68 00:05:09,035 --> 00:05:11,755 Speaker 3: out my medical records. He won't put out his medical records. 69 00:05:12,075 --> 00:05:16,235 Speaker 3: And you have to ask why is his staff doing that? 70 00:05:16,875 --> 00:05:18,875 Speaker 3: And it may be because they think he's just not 71 00:05:19,035 --> 00:05:24,595 Speaker 3: ready and unfit and unstable and should not have that 72 00:05:24,715 --> 00:05:26,795 Speaker 3: level of transparency for the American people. 73 00:05:27,195 --> 00:05:31,115 Speaker 1: A man named Matthew Ramsky shook up the yoga world 74 00:05:31,275 --> 00:05:34,795 Speaker 1: five years ago with articles and a book called Practice 75 00:05:34,955 --> 00:05:38,515 Speaker 1: and All Is Coming, Abuse, Cult, Dynamics and Healing in 76 00:05:38,635 --> 00:05:43,475 Speaker 1: Yoga and Beyond about so called gurus turning yoga groups 77 00:05:43,515 --> 00:05:49,795 Speaker 1: into conspiracy riddled cults filled with sexual abuse. The Vice 78 00:05:49,835 --> 00:05:52,635 Speaker 1: President may have seen instability. The Washington Post may have 79 00:05:52,635 --> 00:05:56,835 Speaker 1: seen bizarre meandering, mister Ramsky saw something else, and it 80 00:05:56,875 --> 00:05:59,435 Speaker 1: was more familiar and more frightening to him. And I 81 00:05:59,515 --> 00:06:03,475 Speaker 1: quote him in full from Twitter X quote Trump surrendering 82 00:06:03,595 --> 00:06:05,715 Speaker 1: the Q and A to thirty minutes of his fave 83 00:06:05,995 --> 00:06:10,395 Speaker 1: songs while standing on stage awkwardly conducting at times echoes 84 00:06:10,475 --> 00:06:15,835 Speaker 1: many instances of cultic leaders who exhausted, ill and at 85 00:06:15,875 --> 00:06:20,155 Speaker 1: the end of their cognitive rope, outsource their emotional dominance 86 00:06:20,315 --> 00:06:28,515 Speaker 1: subroutines to canned music they personally find exquisitely sentimental. He continues, 87 00:06:28,955 --> 00:06:33,155 Speaker 1: as traumatized narcissists, they are seeking comfort and avoiding work, 88 00:06:33,395 --> 00:06:36,675 Speaker 1: but also assume that their core memories of pleasure will 89 00:06:36,675 --> 00:06:42,035 Speaker 1: make their power and soul transparent and accessible to their followers. Yes, 90 00:06:42,275 --> 00:06:46,275 Speaker 1: it's weird. No, the campaign gives no explanation because the 91 00:06:46,355 --> 00:06:51,915 Speaker 1: logic is a sealed system. Believers lose themselves in the choruses. 92 00:06:52,275 --> 00:06:55,195 Speaker 1: Handlers know there's nothing they can do but keep him 93 00:06:55,195 --> 00:06:59,555 Speaker 1: propped up. Christine Nome knows her inner circle status depends 94 00:06:59,635 --> 00:07:05,155 Speaker 1: on staying bright eyed. Mister Ramsky continues, The leader of 95 00:07:05,195 --> 00:07:08,035 Speaker 1: the group I was in for three years maintained a 96 00:07:08,115 --> 00:07:13,155 Speaker 1: Trump campaign like schedule of daily two hour sermons. Over 97 00:07:13,195 --> 00:07:17,155 Speaker 1: the years, he increasingly relied on his DJA to fill 98 00:07:17,195 --> 00:07:22,035 Speaker 1: the room with emotional overwhelm. Whenever he gapped out he 99 00:07:22,195 --> 00:07:26,195 Speaker 1: was seventy eight to two, he air conducted the tunes. 100 00:07:26,235 --> 00:07:29,515 Speaker 1: He had a shrinking repertoire of melted talking points. But 101 00:07:29,555 --> 00:07:32,275 Speaker 1: because there was never any substance to his stick, he 102 00:07:32,315 --> 00:07:35,155 Speaker 1: didn't struggle to remember details that were slipping away. He 103 00:07:35,355 --> 00:07:39,075 Speaker 1: just turned to the music. All he had ever done 104 00:07:39,195 --> 00:07:42,835 Speaker 1: was generated a mood. Then he died of a stroke. 105 00:07:44,715 --> 00:07:48,075 Speaker 1: It may be helpful he continues to keep in mind 106 00:07:48,635 --> 00:07:52,915 Speaker 1: for Trump followers, the default to pure emotionality can be 107 00:07:52,995 --> 00:07:56,555 Speaker 1: effective right up until the end. For some, the intensity 108 00:07:56,555 --> 00:08:00,395 Speaker 1: of their bond might increase because for them, as for him, 109 00:08:00,635 --> 00:08:04,635 Speaker 1: the affect was the point they weren't there for the platform. 110 00:08:05,155 --> 00:08:07,555 Speaker 1: There are people in the crowd who are uncomfortable, or 111 00:08:07,555 --> 00:08:11,035 Speaker 1: who can recognize the signs, or get bored and leave early. 112 00:08:11,235 --> 00:08:14,035 Speaker 1: But for those really caught up, that thirty minutes of 113 00:08:14,115 --> 00:08:18,235 Speaker 1: music and reverie might feel like the most direct and 114 00:08:18,395 --> 00:08:25,635 Speaker 1: intimate contact they've ever had with him. Geez, So when 115 00:08:25,675 --> 00:08:27,995 Speaker 1: you and I have thrown around the now familiar phrase 116 00:08:28,115 --> 00:08:31,395 Speaker 1: it's a cult, we may have been saying more than 117 00:08:31,395 --> 00:08:35,955 Speaker 1: we could have possibly known. Mister Ramsky also agreed that 118 00:08:35,995 --> 00:08:38,315 Speaker 1: whatever began on Monday night appears to have been touched 119 00:08:38,315 --> 00:08:42,475 Speaker 1: off when two attendees fainted in the warm close room. 120 00:08:43,035 --> 00:08:46,275 Speaker 1: A respondent to his thread noted that the last thing 121 00:08:46,355 --> 00:08:50,235 Speaker 1: someone like Trump tolerates is other people suffering. That two 122 00:08:50,315 --> 00:08:53,155 Speaker 1: people fell ill and cause his rally to be interrupted 123 00:08:53,395 --> 00:08:57,595 Speaker 1: was an intolerable affront to his being the only one. 124 00:08:57,675 --> 00:09:01,235 Speaker 1: He reacted to that with an extended primitive basking in 125 00:09:01,315 --> 00:09:09,275 Speaker 1: the wonder of him unquote, to which Ramsky replied on point, 126 00:09:10,595 --> 00:09:13,395 Speaker 1: So what began Monday night and continues at this hour? 127 00:09:13,475 --> 00:09:17,275 Speaker 1: Did Trump choose this or was it something else? Could 128 00:09:17,315 --> 00:09:20,075 Speaker 1: it have been a true psychiatric episode what the experts 129 00:09:20,115 --> 00:09:25,035 Speaker 1: are now calling dissociative fugue. If you've seen this or 130 00:09:25,075 --> 00:09:30,675 Speaker 1: heard about fugue fugue states dissociative fugue, dissociative episodes, it's 131 00:09:30,715 --> 00:09:33,955 Speaker 1: probably from a film or on television, most notably in 132 00:09:33,995 --> 00:09:37,835 Speaker 1: an episode of the old series Breaking Bad. It is 133 00:09:37,875 --> 00:09:40,395 Speaker 1: an event in which whatever binds us to the world, 134 00:09:40,475 --> 00:09:44,755 Speaker 1: even just our own world, loosens a bit or sometimes 135 00:09:44,795 --> 00:09:50,955 Speaker 1: breaks completely. Sufferers often just wander off physically or just metaphorically, 136 00:09:51,275 --> 00:09:55,635 Speaker 1: leave their homes and wind up hundreds thousands of miles 137 00:09:55,675 --> 00:09:58,555 Speaker 1: away with no idea how they got there. While in 138 00:09:58,595 --> 00:10:01,155 Speaker 1: the fugue state, they can't remember who they are, or 139 00:10:01,155 --> 00:10:04,555 Speaker 1: at least they can't fully remember that. They may not 140 00:10:04,835 --> 00:10:07,715 Speaker 1: know where they are or where they have been, but 141 00:10:07,835 --> 00:10:10,875 Speaker 1: they can do ordinary things like drive a car somewhere 142 00:10:10,955 --> 00:10:14,755 Speaker 1: without getting into an accident, or appreciate the breeze as 143 00:10:14,795 --> 00:10:18,755 Speaker 1: they wait for an uber. I have seen this happen 144 00:10:19,355 --> 00:10:23,475 Speaker 1: to someone close to me, and it is terrifying. And 145 00:10:23,555 --> 00:10:26,475 Speaker 1: it is not voluntary, and it is often followed by 146 00:10:26,475 --> 00:10:30,195 Speaker 1: an absolute refusal by the victim to acknowledge that it 147 00:10:30,355 --> 00:10:35,395 Speaker 1: was at all important, or by their making a rush 148 00:10:35,395 --> 00:10:38,435 Speaker 1: to find an excuse like I was impaired by drink 149 00:10:38,515 --> 00:10:40,435 Speaker 1: or drugs or illness, even if there was no drink 150 00:10:40,515 --> 00:10:45,595 Speaker 1: or drugs or illness, and Trump either entered into that 151 00:10:45,835 --> 00:10:50,355 Speaker 1: Monday night or into that end. Stage cult leader Meltdown 152 00:10:50,395 --> 00:10:53,515 Speaker 1: Matthew Ramsky described from his first hand experience with that 153 00:10:56,395 --> 00:10:58,635 Speaker 1: what may be the most frightening part here is that 154 00:10:58,675 --> 00:11:01,875 Speaker 1: when you abruptly end your campaign event, start a thirty 155 00:11:01,955 --> 00:11:06,315 Speaker 1: nine minute wobble on stage accompanied by shenade O'Connor go 156 00:11:06,355 --> 00:11:10,595 Speaker 1: into a kind of dictator waltz. And that's not the 157 00:11:10,595 --> 00:11:12,915 Speaker 1: most unstable thing you will do in the next twenty 158 00:11:12,915 --> 00:11:17,635 Speaker 1: four hour span. You are in real trouble, because within 159 00:11:17,675 --> 00:11:20,635 Speaker 1: a few hours, Trump went to his only true home, 160 00:11:21,515 --> 00:11:25,195 Speaker 1: his phone, and attacked Vice President Harris for refusing to 161 00:11:25,195 --> 00:11:29,515 Speaker 1: do interviews, even though she had just loudly agreed to 162 00:11:29,595 --> 00:11:34,715 Speaker 1: the sit down with Brett Baar on Fox News. But 163 00:11:34,795 --> 00:11:38,915 Speaker 1: Trump also attacked Harris for releasing her medical records and 164 00:11:38,995 --> 00:11:42,235 Speaker 1: for Harris asking why Trump had not released his, He 165 00:11:42,275 --> 00:11:45,955 Speaker 1: said he had and he's too busy anyway. I've put 166 00:11:45,955 --> 00:11:49,035 Speaker 1: out more medical exams than any other president in history, 167 00:11:50,875 --> 00:11:56,275 Speaker 1: flatly numerically untrue, and aced two cognitive exams. The doctor 168 00:11:56,315 --> 00:12:01,075 Speaker 1: stated that my cognitive exams were exceptional. I am far 169 00:12:01,155 --> 00:12:05,675 Speaker 1: healthier than Clinton, Bush, Obama, Biden, but especially Kamala. Also, 170 00:12:05,875 --> 00:12:08,675 Speaker 1: I am far too busy campaigning to take time from 171 00:12:08,715 --> 00:12:10,835 Speaker 1: the twenty two days left, as I am using every 172 00:12:10,875 --> 00:12:13,435 Speaker 1: hour of every day campaigning because we've got to take 173 00:12:13,475 --> 00:12:17,995 Speaker 1: our country twelve forty two am. I am far too 174 00:12:18,035 --> 00:12:22,835 Speaker 1: busy campaigning to take time from the twenty two days left, 175 00:12:22,915 --> 00:12:26,155 Speaker 1: as I am using every hour of every day campaigning, 176 00:12:26,635 --> 00:12:34,395 Speaker 1: but first the begs most disturbingly of all in this 177 00:12:34,635 --> 00:12:38,715 Speaker 1: part of the Crazy Time. Trump then said Harris is 178 00:12:38,755 --> 00:12:43,635 Speaker 1: physically disqualified from serving as president because her medical report, 179 00:12:43,795 --> 00:12:47,195 Speaker 1: which she released when he would not release his, shows 180 00:12:47,395 --> 00:12:55,955 Speaker 1: she suffers from erticaria, allergic rhinitis, and allergic conjunctive bitis. 181 00:12:57,475 --> 00:13:03,195 Speaker 1: Erdicaria is hives. Allergic rhinitis is hay fever. Allergic conjunctivitis 182 00:13:03,355 --> 00:13:08,315 Speaker 1: is allergy gees making your eyes itch. According to her 183 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:12,115 Speaker 1: doctor's report, she suffers from urticaria, defined as a rash 184 00:13:12,155 --> 00:13:14,755 Speaker 1: of round, red welts on the skin that itch intensely, 185 00:13:14,795 --> 00:13:18,315 Speaker 1: sometimes with dangerous swelling. She also has allergic rhinitis and 186 00:13:18,355 --> 00:13:22,995 Speaker 1: allergic conjunctivitis, a very messy and dangerous situation. These are 187 00:13:23,115 --> 00:13:27,515 Speaker 1: deeply serious conditions that clearly impact her functioning. Maybe that 188 00:13:27,595 --> 00:13:29,835 Speaker 1: is why she can't answer even the simplest of questions 189 00:13:29,915 --> 00:13:32,515 Speaker 1: asked by sixty Minutes and others, what is this all about? 190 00:13:32,795 --> 00:13:39,475 Speaker 1: I don't have these problems. Urticaria is hives. Allergic rhinitis 191 00:13:39,595 --> 00:13:45,595 Speaker 1: is hay fever. Allergic conjunctivitis is allergies making your eyes itch. 192 00:13:45,915 --> 00:13:51,355 Speaker 1: You bastard. Trump either thinks or expects he can get 193 00:13:51,595 --> 00:13:57,995 Speaker 1: everybody else to think that these commonplace, everyday annoyances are fatal. 194 00:14:00,515 --> 00:14:03,475 Speaker 1: And then we moved to Chicago yesterday. Where to start. 195 00:14:04,755 --> 00:14:07,635 Speaker 1: He's close to winning, or at least being ahead in Michigan, 196 00:14:07,795 --> 00:14:14,035 Speaker 1: so he trashed Detroit. The Bloomberg British guy moderating the 197 00:14:14,035 --> 00:14:17,915 Speaker 1: event asks about Google. He answers about Georgia. Oh no, 198 00:14:18,035 --> 00:14:20,595 Speaker 1: I know where to start. Trump is pressed about talking 199 00:14:20,635 --> 00:14:23,515 Speaker 1: to Putin after he left office that report from last week, 200 00:14:23,675 --> 00:14:28,395 Speaker 1: and Trump gives the OJ Simpson Memorial answer, if I 201 00:14:28,675 --> 00:14:29,035 Speaker 1: did it? 202 00:14:29,355 --> 00:14:32,115 Speaker 3: Can you say yes or no whether you have talked 203 00:14:32,275 --> 00:14:35,395 Speaker 3: to Vladimir Putin since you stopped being president. 204 00:14:35,475 --> 00:14:37,275 Speaker 2: Well, I don't come into that, but I will tell 205 00:14:37,275 --> 00:14:39,755 Speaker 2: you that if I did, it's a smart thing. If 206 00:14:39,795 --> 00:14:43,035 Speaker 2: I'm friendly with people, If I have a relationship with people, 207 00:14:43,675 --> 00:14:45,035 Speaker 2: that's a good thing. Not a bit I think in 208 00:14:45,155 --> 00:14:46,115 Speaker 2: terms of a country. 209 00:14:46,315 --> 00:14:47,675 Speaker 1: Should Google be breaking up? 210 00:14:49,955 --> 00:14:53,995 Speaker 2: I just haven't gotten over something the Justice Department did 211 00:14:54,075 --> 00:15:00,795 Speaker 2: yesterday where Virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got 212 00:15:00,875 --> 00:15:04,115 Speaker 2: rid of thousands and thousands of bad votes, and the 213 00:15:04,315 --> 00:15:07,835 Speaker 2: Justice Apartment sued them that they should be allowed to 214 00:15:07,875 --> 00:15:10,955 Speaker 2: put those mad votes and illegal votes back in and 215 00:15:11,075 --> 00:15:14,515 Speaker 2: let the people vote. So I haven't I haven't gotten 216 00:15:14,835 --> 00:15:16,595 Speaker 2: I haven't gotten over that. A lot of people have 217 00:15:16,635 --> 00:15:17,915 Speaker 2: seen that. They can't even believe that. 218 00:15:18,035 --> 00:15:19,915 Speaker 1: The question is about Google preston Trump. 219 00:15:20,035 --> 00:15:22,715 Speaker 2: If everything works out, if everybody gets out and votes 220 00:15:22,755 --> 00:15:24,275 Speaker 2: on January fifth. 221 00:15:24,595 --> 00:15:28,955 Speaker 1: Y, yes, Please Trump voters, if you're voting for Trump, 222 00:15:28,995 --> 00:15:34,875 Speaker 1: don't forget to vote for Trump on January fifth. January fifth. 223 00:15:34,875 --> 00:15:39,955 Speaker 1: If you need a lyft on January fifth, call me all. 224 00:15:40,035 --> 00:15:42,875 Speaker 1: This is nothing new. It is, in fact, so part 225 00:15:42,875 --> 00:15:45,155 Speaker 1: of the Trump baseline that to say he is acting 226 00:15:45,155 --> 00:15:48,875 Speaker 1: abnormally and bizarrely, even for him, even that's been reduced 227 00:15:48,875 --> 00:15:52,475 Speaker 1: to white noise. But even by that measure, this is 228 00:15:52,515 --> 00:15:55,835 Speaker 1: accelerating and dangerous. Because Trump may think, hey, fever, hives 229 00:15:55,835 --> 00:16:00,275 Speaker 1: and itchy eyes are fatal. Nobody thinks Trump's dissociative fugue 230 00:16:00,355 --> 00:16:05,235 Speaker 1: or late stage narcissistic collapse is fatal. Less it makes 231 00:16:05,315 --> 00:16:08,515 Speaker 1: him decide he can fly, or unless it is a 232 00:16:08,555 --> 00:16:13,675 Speaker 1: fore warning something actually going physically wrong inside his head. Well, 233 00:16:13,835 --> 00:16:15,235 Speaker 1: I hate to put it this way, but all that 234 00:16:15,395 --> 00:16:18,955 Speaker 1: is his problem. Unfortunately, for the rest of us, it 235 00:16:18,995 --> 00:16:23,515 Speaker 1: can easily be fatal, because this man, in this condition, 236 00:16:25,195 --> 00:16:32,955 Speaker 1: he could easily kill us all. And as noted before, 237 00:16:33,075 --> 00:16:36,275 Speaker 1: some of the key people along the tattered, broken remains 238 00:16:36,595 --> 00:16:40,195 Speaker 1: of some of our key guard rails are still sane 239 00:16:40,395 --> 00:16:45,315 Speaker 1: washing him. Joseph Khan, executive editor of The New York Times, 240 00:16:45,475 --> 00:16:48,675 Speaker 1: has been interviewed at length by Steve Inskeep of National 241 00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:53,675 Speaker 1: Public Radio. The result is almost as disturbing as Trump 242 00:16:53,755 --> 00:16:57,595 Speaker 1: playing the hits, playing the hits from that radio station 243 00:16:57,715 --> 00:17:04,075 Speaker 1: that broadcasts only inside his own mind. I'm going to 244 00:17:04,115 --> 00:17:06,755 Speaker 1: read a lot of the transcript of this interview verbatim 245 00:17:06,835 --> 00:17:11,435 Speaker 1: because jo Con is almost as detached from reality as 246 00:17:11,555 --> 00:17:14,875 Speaker 1: is Donald Trump. And unfortunately, jo Con is supposed to 247 00:17:14,915 --> 00:17:17,595 Speaker 1: be on our side. And when I say our side, 248 00:17:17,715 --> 00:17:23,555 Speaker 1: I mean on the side of defending democracy and opposing dictatorship. 249 00:17:24,555 --> 00:17:26,595 Speaker 1: I think we can ask that much of the New 250 00:17:26,675 --> 00:17:30,115 Speaker 1: York Times, mister Cohn does not understand anything of this, 251 00:17:31,035 --> 00:17:34,595 Speaker 1: as you will hear. That's next. This is oh oh 252 00:17:34,595 --> 00:17:39,715 Speaker 1: oh yeah. Newsy allegedly says RFK Junior wanted to possess 253 00:17:40,275 --> 00:17:47,475 Speaker 1: and impregnate her. Well, who doesn't. And this report is 254 00:17:47,515 --> 00:17:55,275 Speaker 1: from the Wall Street Journal. That's next. This is an 255 00:17:55,315 --> 00:17:58,955 Speaker 1: all new edition of Countdown, if I can stop horse 256 00:17:59,035 --> 00:18:03,475 Speaker 1: laughing first crowing, A pleasure to have you here, thank you. 257 00:18:03,515 --> 00:18:05,635 Speaker 1: This is the best news show. However, I toilet to 258 00:18:05,675 --> 00:18:07,675 Speaker 1: one of your producers, and I want you to know 259 00:18:07,715 --> 00:18:10,835 Speaker 1: that I've seen them all and it's just for especially 260 00:18:10,835 --> 00:18:14,115 Speaker 1: the first thirty five minutes. Thank you, it's just just unparalleled. 261 00:18:14,155 --> 00:18:15,755 Speaker 1: I got bad news between you and I. We got 262 00:18:15,755 --> 00:18:17,875 Speaker 1: six minutes to completely strow that in the back. Yet 263 00:18:17,955 --> 00:18:29,155 Speaker 1: that's good. Still ahead of us on this all new 264 00:18:29,275 --> 00:18:33,155 Speaker 1: edition of Countdown. Worst person? So what do you like? Worst? 265 00:18:33,235 --> 00:18:37,955 Speaker 1: The poll that has Trump up fifty one to fifty huh? 266 00:18:38,115 --> 00:18:44,075 Speaker 1: Or or my ex Olivia saying RFK Junior wanted to 267 00:18:44,115 --> 00:18:51,875 Speaker 1: impregnate her. According to the Wall Street Journal first postscripts 268 00:18:51,915 --> 00:19:03,795 Speaker 1: to the News Dateline, New York. Sometimes stuff happens and 269 00:19:03,835 --> 00:19:05,955 Speaker 1: you say, no, he can't be that stupid, he can't 270 00:19:05,955 --> 00:19:10,195 Speaker 1: be that naive, he can't be that disconnected Trump. Now, 271 00:19:10,195 --> 00:19:12,435 Speaker 1: I mean the editor of the New York Times. His 272 00:19:12,515 --> 00:19:15,715 Speaker 1: name is Joe Kahn, and Joe con did a lengthy 273 00:19:15,715 --> 00:19:19,435 Speaker 1: interview with Steve Enscape of NPR. And I don't normally 274 00:19:19,435 --> 00:19:21,675 Speaker 1: read transcripts of interviews, but it's not like I can 275 00:19:21,755 --> 00:19:24,315 Speaker 1: just play the whole interview. I mean, there are still 276 00:19:24,315 --> 00:19:28,115 Speaker 1: copyrights in this country. And the thing is the relevant 277 00:19:28,155 --> 00:19:30,515 Speaker 1: parts of that interview, the parts about how the Times 278 00:19:30,515 --> 00:19:34,075 Speaker 1: has drifted off to c and is headed towards Iceberg's 279 00:19:34,475 --> 00:19:37,075 Speaker 1: but everybody on board thinks they're still tied up at 280 00:19:37,115 --> 00:19:39,435 Speaker 1: Peer eighty three at forty second Street on the Hudson. 281 00:19:39,635 --> 00:19:43,235 Speaker 1: They're so startling. I kind of have to read it 282 00:19:43,555 --> 00:19:46,835 Speaker 1: and try to translate as we go along. So it 283 00:19:46,955 --> 00:19:49,915 Speaker 1: starts with the NPR guy in skeep noting that nobody 284 00:19:49,955 --> 00:19:52,875 Speaker 1: would have ever believed The Times would be under such 285 00:19:52,955 --> 00:19:58,155 Speaker 1: assault from the left, and Joe con says, and I'll 286 00:19:58,155 --> 00:20:01,875 Speaker 1: interrupt him when necessary. Quote. I struggle with it often 287 00:20:01,955 --> 00:20:04,315 Speaker 1: because the left has really high expectations of the New 288 00:20:04,395 --> 00:20:08,475 Speaker 1: York Time. I think some of them honestly distorted. There's 289 00:20:08,515 --> 00:20:11,595 Speaker 1: a desire to see one of the leading journalistic institutions 290 00:20:11,635 --> 00:20:14,395 Speaker 1: in American life be a full throated supporter of the 291 00:20:14,475 --> 00:20:16,675 Speaker 1: view that many on the left have, which is that 292 00:20:16,755 --> 00:20:20,195 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is an existential threat to our society and 293 00:20:20,275 --> 00:20:22,275 Speaker 1: that all of the New York Times coverage should be 294 00:20:22,435 --> 00:20:26,115 Speaker 1: uniform in emphasizing that point day in and day out, 295 00:20:28,395 --> 00:20:31,115 Speaker 1: how did you feel about Hitler? Well, we know how 296 00:20:31,115 --> 00:20:33,395 Speaker 1: the Times felt about Hitler. They downplayed the threat of 297 00:20:33,475 --> 00:20:36,595 Speaker 1: Hitler too until it was too late. Because this idea 298 00:20:36,995 --> 00:20:41,235 Speaker 1: of never taking an opinion, never ever deciding whether or 299 00:20:41,235 --> 00:20:45,075 Speaker 1: not it's actually raining, but deferring to some expert somewhere 300 00:20:45,235 --> 00:20:47,075 Speaker 1: who has his head out the window and is going, 301 00:20:47,315 --> 00:20:51,115 Speaker 1: I'm wet it's raining. We can quote him. That has 302 00:20:51,195 --> 00:20:54,075 Speaker 1: been part and parcel of this operation, but it's never 303 00:20:54,195 --> 00:20:57,715 Speaker 1: had to deal with this society being in jeopardy before. 304 00:20:57,955 --> 00:21:00,675 Speaker 1: And Joe con does not see the difference. If you 305 00:21:00,795 --> 00:21:02,395 Speaker 1: go back and look at how the New York Times 306 00:21:02,475 --> 00:21:06,675 Speaker 1: covered the Civil War, there was no question they agreed 307 00:21:06,755 --> 00:21:09,675 Speaker 1: that the South was an existential threat to our society 308 00:21:09,955 --> 00:21:13,315 Speaker 1: and that people were dying, and that Times coverage should 309 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:16,795 Speaker 1: be uniform in emphasizing that point in and day out. 310 00:21:18,795 --> 00:21:21,995 Speaker 1: To resume quote, and then we would be playing the 311 00:21:22,115 --> 00:21:24,555 Speaker 1: role that some on the left see is our proper role. 312 00:21:24,675 --> 00:21:27,115 Speaker 1: We don't see that as our proper role, which is 313 00:21:27,115 --> 00:21:29,315 Speaker 1: not to say that we don't have really aggressive coverage 314 00:21:29,355 --> 00:21:31,315 Speaker 1: about the threats that Donald Trump and some of the 315 00:21:31,315 --> 00:21:34,475 Speaker 1: people around him would pose to norms in American society. 316 00:21:34,675 --> 00:21:40,195 Speaker 1: To the rule of law. Would he thinks it's would 317 00:21:40,875 --> 00:21:45,755 Speaker 1: would pose he's doing it now. He's destroying American society. Now, 318 00:21:45,915 --> 00:21:49,155 Speaker 1: even if he loses, he's already done untold damage to 319 00:21:49,195 --> 00:21:51,915 Speaker 1: the society. And you're still putting it in the theoretical 320 00:21:53,075 --> 00:21:55,635 Speaker 1: he's an election denialist and has a variety of plans 321 00:21:55,635 --> 00:21:58,555 Speaker 1: in place that would weaken some of the institutions of 322 00:21:58,595 --> 00:22:02,035 Speaker 1: democracy in American life. While one hundred percent is some, 323 00:22:03,075 --> 00:22:05,515 Speaker 1: ninety nine percent is some, one percent is not some. 324 00:22:07,715 --> 00:22:10,835 Speaker 1: We've made that very clear. What we've also made clear 325 00:22:10,835 --> 00:22:12,515 Speaker 1: is that he has the potential to win the twenty 326 00:22:12,555 --> 00:22:14,955 Speaker 1: twenty four election, either in the popular voter in the 327 00:22:14,955 --> 00:22:17,515 Speaker 1: electoral college. That a lot of people around the country 328 00:22:17,595 --> 00:22:19,875 Speaker 1: hear things from Donald Trump that they like and that 329 00:22:20,075 --> 00:22:23,595 Speaker 1: makes them very strong supporters of him, That his favorability 330 00:22:23,675 --> 00:22:25,955 Speaker 1: ratings have actually risen from the time that he ended 331 00:22:25,955 --> 00:22:28,155 Speaker 1: his presidency, and that he speaks for some of the 332 00:22:28,155 --> 00:22:31,315 Speaker 1: frustrations and grievances in American life, and we feel we 333 00:22:31,355 --> 00:22:34,435 Speaker 1: need to reflect those as well, because we need to 334 00:22:34,475 --> 00:22:37,475 Speaker 1: provide a full, fair and complete picture of the country 335 00:22:37,875 --> 00:22:42,075 Speaker 1: and its voters. And we're not ourselves voters. What we 336 00:22:42,155 --> 00:22:46,355 Speaker 1: are is an information source for voters who want good, accurate, 337 00:22:46,475 --> 00:22:50,435 Speaker 1: fair information about our country. I'll translate that, and I 338 00:22:50,475 --> 00:22:53,595 Speaker 1: don't think Joe Cohn would like it if he's covering Hitler. 339 00:22:53,635 --> 00:22:56,395 Speaker 1: What he's saying here is Hitler had some good ideas. 340 00:22:57,235 --> 00:23:00,115 Speaker 1: Trump has some good ideas, so we should listen to 341 00:23:00,155 --> 00:23:03,755 Speaker 1: the good ideas. Never mind that the good ideas inexorably 342 00:23:04,075 --> 00:23:08,275 Speaker 1: and utterly are connected to the disastrous ones that could 343 00:23:08,355 --> 00:23:11,795 Speaker 1: kill us. All. It is the Times in a nutshell. 344 00:23:12,115 --> 00:23:14,675 Speaker 1: They will point out, well, he speaks for a lot 345 00:23:14,675 --> 00:23:17,275 Speaker 1: of the country. Those people are crazy and they want 346 00:23:17,315 --> 00:23:20,515 Speaker 1: to destroy American democracy, but he speaks for them. I 347 00:23:21,115 --> 00:23:25,475 Speaker 1: don't know how about the Boston strangler, who speaks for strangling? 348 00:23:28,315 --> 00:23:31,755 Speaker 1: A question from Nskeep of NPR. Your publisher, Ag Selzberger 349 00:23:31,795 --> 00:23:33,955 Speaker 1: wrote an op ed that he submitted to The Washington 350 00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:36,835 Speaker 1: Post some days ago in which he talked about this 351 00:23:36,955 --> 00:23:40,515 Speaker 1: organization's thinking about the immediate future and the possibility of 352 00:23:40,555 --> 00:23:43,755 Speaker 1: a second Trump term, and he disclosed that You've spent 353 00:23:43,875 --> 00:23:47,155 Speaker 1: several months studying authoritarian countries and the way that the 354 00:23:47,195 --> 00:23:50,995 Speaker 1: press has been undermined there, to prepare for what possibilities 355 00:23:50,995 --> 00:23:53,995 Speaker 1: there might be here. What is the research that you've done, 356 00:23:55,395 --> 00:23:59,195 Speaker 1: Joe Con answers, Well, we've certainly covered this issue as 357 00:23:59,195 --> 00:24:01,395 Speaker 1: a news story around the world, and as you said, 358 00:24:01,475 --> 00:24:04,675 Speaker 1: the publisher devoted a team of people in a significant 359 00:24:04,715 --> 00:24:07,035 Speaker 1: effort to looking at the ways in which the rule 360 00:24:07,075 --> 00:24:10,355 Speaker 1: of law protections for the press could be worn away 361 00:24:10,475 --> 00:24:14,275 Speaker 1: by either authoritarian leaders or by populist leaders who rally 362 00:24:14,355 --> 00:24:20,075 Speaker 1: their supporters against independent media. Well, thank goodness you studied 363 00:24:20,075 --> 00:24:22,315 Speaker 1: it before they came up and shot your newspaper in 364 00:24:22,355 --> 00:24:27,155 Speaker 1: the head Joe, thank god. Don't try to defend it. 365 00:24:27,595 --> 00:24:31,355 Speaker 1: Just report on it. I've just been shot in the head. 366 00:24:31,755 --> 00:24:35,555 Speaker 1: Let me tell you what we saw before I blackout 367 00:24:35,555 --> 00:24:38,555 Speaker 1: and then die. I just was shot in the head. 368 00:24:38,875 --> 00:24:41,275 Speaker 1: Let me report on it like a good times man. 369 00:24:43,995 --> 00:24:46,675 Speaker 1: The question from innskeep and the question was how do 370 00:24:46,755 --> 00:24:51,475 Speaker 1: we survive in that environment, Joe con says. And one 371 00:24:51,475 --> 00:24:53,875 Speaker 1: of the answers to that is the publisher made the 372 00:24:53,875 --> 00:24:56,235 Speaker 1: decision to make it very clear that part of the 373 00:24:56,235 --> 00:24:59,595 Speaker 1: solution to that is building a strong coalition of people 374 00:24:59,675 --> 00:25:02,955 Speaker 1: in this country who are determined to maintain freedoms of 375 00:25:02,995 --> 00:25:09,835 Speaker 1: the press as they are in the constitution. Yes, I 376 00:25:09,875 --> 00:25:12,875 Speaker 1: think that strong coalition of people in this country as 377 00:25:12,875 --> 00:25:15,715 Speaker 1: opposed to Trump with all the military resources and the 378 00:25:15,755 --> 00:25:19,835 Speaker 1: desire to use the US military on US soil, especially 379 00:25:19,835 --> 00:25:22,675 Speaker 1: against the people he personally does not like, Like say, 380 00:25:22,675 --> 00:25:26,915 Speaker 1: everybody who's ever worked to with, or for or subscribe 381 00:25:26,955 --> 00:25:29,395 Speaker 1: to The New York Times. I think I think your 382 00:25:29,435 --> 00:25:33,715 Speaker 1: coalition will really stand up and defend American freedom of 383 00:25:33,715 --> 00:25:36,915 Speaker 1: the press and democracy and its role in democracy for 384 00:25:36,995 --> 00:25:41,955 Speaker 1: a solid sixteen seventeen minutes. You're an idiot, jo Con, 385 00:25:42,635 --> 00:25:45,635 Speaker 1: and he's not done yet. Quote. And we shouldn't pretend 386 00:25:45,715 --> 00:25:48,635 Speaker 1: that they're only vulnerable in a place like Hungary or Turkey, 387 00:25:49,395 --> 00:25:51,795 Speaker 1: except that's exactly what you're doing, pretending that they are 388 00:25:51,795 --> 00:25:55,675 Speaker 1: also vulnerable here unless there's a strong constituency of people 389 00:25:55,675 --> 00:25:59,075 Speaker 1: who are determined to protect them. That obviously includes, but 390 00:25:59,155 --> 00:26:01,635 Speaker 1: can't be limited to the media itself. It has to 391 00:26:01,675 --> 00:26:05,155 Speaker 1: include the vast majority of Americans who benefit form having 392 00:26:05,195 --> 00:26:08,395 Speaker 1: a vigorous and free press, So building popular support for 393 00:26:08,435 --> 00:26:12,355 Speaker 1: that is critical. Jo Con has actually said this, We're 394 00:26:12,355 --> 00:26:17,555 Speaker 1: going to rely on our readers and good, trustworthy, patriotic 395 00:26:17,555 --> 00:26:20,755 Speaker 1: Americans to come to our defense. When trust in the 396 00:26:20,795 --> 00:26:24,995 Speaker 1: news media as a whole has literally statistically never been 397 00:26:25,075 --> 00:26:27,875 Speaker 1: lower than it is right now. And that includes, and 398 00:26:27,955 --> 00:26:30,195 Speaker 1: this will surprise the people at the New York Times. 399 00:26:30,395 --> 00:26:34,235 Speaker 1: The American media includes the New York Times. The lack 400 00:26:34,315 --> 00:26:37,315 Speaker 1: of trust in the American media includes lack of trust 401 00:26:37,395 --> 00:26:40,715 Speaker 1: in the New York Times. They don't realize that they 402 00:26:40,755 --> 00:26:43,315 Speaker 1: think they are a separate entity. They think they are 403 00:26:43,355 --> 00:26:46,555 Speaker 1: a living statue. They think they are a living church. 404 00:26:46,875 --> 00:26:51,155 Speaker 1: They have some sort of monumental arch. Oh my god, 405 00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:55,475 Speaker 1: he's going to have a coalition. Your coalition is going 406 00:26:55,515 --> 00:26:58,835 Speaker 1: to be standing there defending freedom of the press with 407 00:26:58,995 --> 00:27:03,475 Speaker 1: a petition. If Trump gets back into office, it's going 408 00:27:03,475 --> 00:27:06,795 Speaker 1: to require a rebel to get him out of office 409 00:27:07,275 --> 00:27:12,115 Speaker 1: or his death. He's not leaving otherwise, he's not. Don't 410 00:27:12,115 --> 00:27:16,035 Speaker 1: you see this. You're in the news business. I would 411 00:27:16,035 --> 00:27:19,795 Speaker 1: think this would qualify his news. Oh no, no, Just 412 00:27:19,795 --> 00:27:21,955 Speaker 1: give me two wordles a day and I'll be happy. 413 00:27:22,995 --> 00:27:26,435 Speaker 1: Another question from Enskeep of NPR. People will write people 414 00:27:26,475 --> 00:27:28,275 Speaker 1: who are opposed to Donald Trump, and they will say, 415 00:27:28,315 --> 00:27:30,315 Speaker 1: why are you covering the election the way that you are? 416 00:27:30,475 --> 00:27:32,395 Speaker 1: You should be covering it the way I say, because 417 00:27:32,435 --> 00:27:36,075 Speaker 1: if Trump wins, you'll be in jail. Here was the 418 00:27:36,115 --> 00:27:39,195 Speaker 1: answer to that one yeah, we do hear that. And 419 00:27:39,235 --> 00:27:42,035 Speaker 1: you know, I should acknowledge that covering Donald Trump is 420 00:27:42,075 --> 00:27:47,195 Speaker 1: a challenge. It's a challenge every single day. Oh thank god, 421 00:27:47,315 --> 00:27:51,195 Speaker 1: jo Con, I didn't know you knew that. That's not 422 00:27:51,275 --> 00:27:53,755 Speaker 1: a joke. I literally did not know that anybody at 423 00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:55,755 Speaker 1: The New York Times understood that it was a challenge 424 00:27:55,755 --> 00:27:58,635 Speaker 1: every day. There are some moments in which we think 425 00:27:58,675 --> 00:28:01,435 Speaker 1: we need to present Donald Trump in a full, unfiltered 426 00:28:01,435 --> 00:28:03,715 Speaker 1: way so that people can hear the kinds of things 427 00:28:03,715 --> 00:28:06,235 Speaker 1: that he's saying in his wrath and saying on truth 428 00:28:06,315 --> 00:28:08,675 Speaker 1: Social his social media site, and not try to put 429 00:28:08,715 --> 00:28:10,755 Speaker 1: them in a kind of fact checked or you know, 430 00:28:10,955 --> 00:28:15,515 Speaker 1: overly contextualized context, because people should hear the raw Donald Trump. 431 00:28:15,955 --> 00:28:18,195 Speaker 1: And then there's criticism on the other side that you're 432 00:28:18,195 --> 00:28:20,515 Speaker 1: giving them a platform, that you're just allowing him to 433 00:28:20,515 --> 00:28:23,395 Speaker 1: say whatever he's going to say, steal the agenda. So 434 00:28:23,475 --> 00:28:27,475 Speaker 1: which way is right? Actually we struggle with that ourselves too. 435 00:28:28,155 --> 00:28:30,475 Speaker 1: I think people too need to hear to some extent, 436 00:28:30,515 --> 00:28:33,435 Speaker 1: the unfiltered Donald Trump, but they also need to have us, 437 00:28:33,475 --> 00:28:39,035 Speaker 1: you know, provide that kind of factual correction on page 438 00:28:39,235 --> 00:28:43,235 Speaker 1: b thirty two, And we need to be conscious about 439 00:28:43,275 --> 00:28:46,715 Speaker 1: not just providing Donald Trump with an open mic. Except 440 00:28:46,715 --> 00:28:50,555 Speaker 1: every headline about Donald Trump, except the one about his 441 00:28:50,675 --> 00:28:53,715 Speaker 1: mental condition from last Sunday, has provided him with an 442 00:28:53,755 --> 00:28:56,915 Speaker 1: open mic and an open mind and a sense that, no, 443 00:28:56,995 --> 00:29:00,035 Speaker 1: he's probably not crazy, No he's probably not hitler. No 444 00:29:00,155 --> 00:29:02,635 Speaker 1: he's probably not a dictator. Let's just quote him and 445 00:29:02,675 --> 00:29:10,235 Speaker 1: see if we can make it as d flavorized as possible. Quote. 446 00:29:10,355 --> 00:29:12,755 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any magic formula to doing it. 447 00:29:12,755 --> 00:29:15,395 Speaker 1: It's just a bunch of journalists talking to each other, 448 00:29:15,595 --> 00:29:18,115 Speaker 1: looking at the facts every day, trying to decide the 449 00:29:18,155 --> 00:29:21,555 Speaker 1: best way of conveying all the aspects of the Trump campaign. 450 00:29:21,835 --> 00:29:24,315 Speaker 1: And you know, do we always get it right? I 451 00:29:24,355 --> 00:29:26,915 Speaker 1: don't know if we always get it right. You don't 452 00:29:26,955 --> 00:29:31,555 Speaker 1: always get it right, moron. I know that we're always 453 00:29:31,595 --> 00:29:35,755 Speaker 1: trying our best to serve the broadest possible readership with 454 00:29:35,875 --> 00:29:40,395 Speaker 1: the best journalism about him that we can. I forget 455 00:29:40,435 --> 00:29:44,115 Speaker 1: who it was who said that. As the Democrats are 456 00:29:44,155 --> 00:29:48,395 Speaker 1: being led into the concentration camps, along with all of 457 00:29:48,395 --> 00:29:52,035 Speaker 1: the Hispanics and everybody from Haiti, and eventually all the 458 00:29:52,075 --> 00:29:55,235 Speaker 1: African Americans and eventually all the minorities and all the 459 00:29:55,315 --> 00:29:58,715 Speaker 1: Jewish people and everybody else. As we're all led into 460 00:29:58,715 --> 00:30:03,755 Speaker 1: the camps by Trump's I don't know s FS or 461 00:30:03,755 --> 00:30:07,955 Speaker 1: whatever he's going to call STS or STD. As we're 462 00:30:07,995 --> 00:30:10,395 Speaker 1: all let in there, one guy can turn to another 463 00:30:10,475 --> 00:30:12,915 Speaker 1: and said, well, on the other hand, at least we 464 00:30:12,995 --> 00:30:18,515 Speaker 1: followed all the rules. Would you argue he's asked that 465 00:30:18,595 --> 00:30:20,995 Speaker 1: you ought to cover the election in a straightforward way 466 00:30:21,035 --> 00:30:22,715 Speaker 1: as you see it, even if it does mean you 467 00:30:22,795 --> 00:30:26,915 Speaker 1: might end up in jail sometime. Quote, well, I mean 468 00:30:26,955 --> 00:30:29,235 Speaker 1: we've devoted a lot of resources to covering what you 469 00:30:29,235 --> 00:30:32,395 Speaker 1: would broadly refer to as kind of the fragility of 470 00:30:32,435 --> 00:30:35,595 Speaker 1: the legal system and the fragility of our democracy. I 471 00:30:35,675 --> 00:30:38,155 Speaker 1: don't consider that to be a partisan issue. I think 472 00:30:38,195 --> 00:30:43,115 Speaker 1: that is something that we will come at directly. It's 473 00:30:43,155 --> 00:30:47,475 Speaker 1: inside two weeks to the election, buddy, When is it 474 00:30:47,515 --> 00:30:50,995 Speaker 1: that you're going to come at this directly? We've put 475 00:30:51,075 --> 00:30:53,915 Speaker 1: it front and center in our election coverage, both the 476 00:30:53,915 --> 00:30:57,475 Speaker 1: election integrity issue and where the candidates stand on that. 477 00:30:59,355 --> 00:31:03,555 Speaker 1: What the election integrity issue? Do you mean that he's 478 00:31:03,555 --> 00:31:07,115 Speaker 1: going to try to steal the election again or his 479 00:31:07,275 --> 00:31:10,755 Speaker 1: claims that there's something wrong with the elections now are 480 00:31:10,795 --> 00:31:13,875 Speaker 1: in the past, and it's very clear that there's a 481 00:31:13,915 --> 00:31:16,835 Speaker 1: sharp difference between the candidates on that issue. The ability 482 00:31:16,835 --> 00:31:19,355 Speaker 1: of the legal system to withstand the kind of retribution 483 00:31:19,475 --> 00:31:22,075 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump is promising, you know, the resilience in 484 00:31:22,115 --> 00:31:24,995 Speaker 1: the judicial system, the issue of independence of the Department 485 00:31:25,035 --> 00:31:27,635 Speaker 1: of Justice and the FBI, which he would like to erode. 486 00:31:27,675 --> 00:31:34,235 Speaker 1: We've devoted a lot of resources to that. Did you 487 00:31:34,275 --> 00:31:38,155 Speaker 1: ever see the movie Monty Python's Meaning of Life where 488 00:31:38,155 --> 00:31:41,915 Speaker 1: they're having a board meeting at an American corporation and 489 00:31:42,835 --> 00:31:46,555 Speaker 1: Graham Chapman says, item number twelve on the agenda, the 490 00:31:46,675 --> 00:31:49,755 Speaker 1: Meaning of Life, Stan, I understand you've had a team 491 00:31:49,795 --> 00:31:54,475 Speaker 1: working on this, and Stan, played by Michael Palin, says, yes, 492 00:31:54,555 --> 00:31:57,755 Speaker 1: that's right, and we've found it divides into two observations. 493 00:31:57,875 --> 00:32:03,355 Speaker 1: Number one, people are not wearing enough hats. Two, matter 494 00:32:03,675 --> 00:32:07,035 Speaker 1: is energy. What we believe to be life is in 495 00:32:07,075 --> 00:32:09,515 Speaker 1: fact a series of vibration, on and on and on 496 00:32:09,515 --> 00:32:11,155 Speaker 1: and on and on and on and on and on 497 00:32:11,155 --> 00:32:13,195 Speaker 1: and on. He goes and finally, at the end of 498 00:32:13,195 --> 00:32:16,995 Speaker 1: this presentation, with the music swelling in the background, Terry Jones, 499 00:32:17,035 --> 00:32:19,475 Speaker 1: the late Terry Jones, my friend looks up from the 500 00:32:19,475 --> 00:32:22,955 Speaker 1: board table and goes, what was that about hats again? 501 00:32:23,875 --> 00:32:26,355 Speaker 1: And Palin goes back through his pages of notes about 502 00:32:26,355 --> 00:32:29,835 Speaker 1: the meaning of life and goes, uh, people are not 503 00:32:30,115 --> 00:32:33,995 Speaker 1: wearing enough of them, And Terry Jones, with rage in 504 00:32:34,035 --> 00:32:37,155 Speaker 1: his voice, goes, when you say enough enough for what purpose? 505 00:32:39,995 --> 00:32:43,835 Speaker 1: We've devoted a lot of resources to that, whether or 506 00:32:43,875 --> 00:32:46,555 Speaker 1: not you know Trump is going to take the legal 507 00:32:46,595 --> 00:32:49,795 Speaker 1: system and direct it say, you know, all of us, 508 00:32:49,955 --> 00:32:52,395 Speaker 1: including the New York Times, We've devoted a lot of 509 00:32:52,435 --> 00:32:56,915 Speaker 1: resources to that. What was that about hats again? New 510 00:32:57,035 --> 00:33:00,195 Speaker 1: York Times? Hats? I mean caps with our logo on it? 511 00:33:00,235 --> 00:33:02,995 Speaker 1: Does the logo have the wordle logo on the back? 512 00:33:03,115 --> 00:33:07,875 Speaker 1: Because that could really increase usage, especially while everybody's in jail. 513 00:33:08,515 --> 00:33:12,835 Speaker 1: You can get Wi Fi in jail, can't you. We've 514 00:33:12,875 --> 00:33:15,275 Speaker 1: devoted a lot of resources to that, said mister Cohn. 515 00:33:15,315 --> 00:33:17,795 Speaker 1: We had a very excellent piece looking at retribution and 516 00:33:17,835 --> 00:33:20,195 Speaker 1: how it played out through the judicial system in Trump's 517 00:33:20,235 --> 00:33:22,395 Speaker 1: first term and what he would do differently this time. 518 00:33:22,395 --> 00:33:24,795 Speaker 1: That makes that issue utterly clear. So I don't think 519 00:33:24,795 --> 00:33:28,075 Speaker 1: we're standing by while these threats exist. I don't think 520 00:33:28,115 --> 00:33:30,275 Speaker 1: that's the same thing as saying that we don't also 521 00:33:30,395 --> 00:33:33,475 Speaker 1: cover all the other issues on voters' minds. I think 522 00:33:33,515 --> 00:33:36,195 Speaker 1: we have to do both, and we are doing both. 523 00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:43,275 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the headline in the Times if Trump wins. 524 00:33:43,675 --> 00:33:46,915 Speaker 1: The only thing I'll be reading after that. As I pack, 525 00:33:47,555 --> 00:33:49,915 Speaker 1: the only thing I will be reading is the following 526 00:33:50,115 --> 00:33:54,435 Speaker 1: the Times headline that reads, We're all going to hell comma, 527 00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:59,955 Speaker 1: some say from Steve Inskeep's interview with Joe con, executive 528 00:34:00,035 --> 00:34:01,595 Speaker 1: editor of the New York Times, who thinks he is 529 00:34:01,675 --> 00:34:04,995 Speaker 1: doing exactly what it is obvious to everybody else in 530 00:34:05,035 --> 00:34:09,315 Speaker 1: the world, including real journalism critics like NYU's Jay Rosen 531 00:34:09,555 --> 00:34:12,515 Speaker 1: and real journalists like the great James Follows what is 532 00:34:12,595 --> 00:34:14,955 Speaker 1: clear to them and everybody else that he is not doing. 533 00:34:15,955 --> 00:34:18,435 Speaker 1: And the through line is, no matter how bad it gets, 534 00:34:18,915 --> 00:34:21,515 Speaker 1: Joe CON's going to be fair and balanced between the 535 00:34:21,595 --> 00:34:25,795 Speaker 1: psychopath who would be Hitler, who wants to kill him, 536 00:34:26,755 --> 00:34:31,595 Speaker 1: and the other presidential candidate who doesn't because there will 537 00:34:31,635 --> 00:34:35,595 Speaker 1: always be in New York Times. That's the through line. 538 00:34:35,595 --> 00:34:37,995 Speaker 1: And his answers, They'll always be a New York Times. 539 00:34:38,155 --> 00:34:42,195 Speaker 1: It's a law. He didn't actually say there will always 540 00:34:42,195 --> 00:34:43,755 Speaker 1: be a New York Times, but he might as well. 541 00:34:43,995 --> 00:34:46,955 Speaker 1: That's the whole premise. Yes, there are many problems here, 542 00:34:46,995 --> 00:34:48,475 Speaker 1: but none of them are going to affect me. I 543 00:34:48,515 --> 00:34:53,035 Speaker 1: know the water is up to my neck, but it's fine. 544 00:34:53,955 --> 00:34:57,515 Speaker 1: I read this and I flashed back to November nineteen eighty. 545 00:34:58,075 --> 00:35:01,115 Speaker 1: One of my first bosses was the bureau chief of 546 00:35:01,395 --> 00:35:05,875 Speaker 1: another really important and venerable and at one point truly 547 00:35:05,955 --> 00:35:10,955 Speaker 1: respected news organizations that was part of the firmament as 548 00:35:11,235 --> 00:35:15,355 Speaker 1: clear and as regular as the moon in the nighttime sky, 549 00:35:15,875 --> 00:35:19,115 Speaker 1: United Press International. He was the bureau chief of United 550 00:35:19,155 --> 00:35:24,195 Speaker 1: Press Internationals radio network UPI Audio. His name was Stan Sabek. 551 00:35:24,675 --> 00:35:27,955 Speaker 1: I can never think of Stan Sabek without smiling. The 552 00:35:27,995 --> 00:35:31,115 Speaker 1: amount of crap he put up with from me I 553 00:35:31,155 --> 00:35:34,515 Speaker 1: can't count that high. But he once told me that 554 00:35:34,555 --> 00:35:36,955 Speaker 1: if he was ever remembered for anything in broadcasting, it 555 00:35:36,995 --> 00:35:40,395 Speaker 1: would be for giving me my first real job. And 556 00:35:40,475 --> 00:35:43,835 Speaker 1: I had to go in one day in November nineteen 557 00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:46,395 Speaker 1: eighty and tell him I would be leaving to go 558 00:35:46,435 --> 00:35:51,635 Speaker 1: and work for a different radio network. He was absolutely stunned. 559 00:35:52,355 --> 00:35:56,875 Speaker 1: Could you leave you, Pi, Stan? I'd work for you forever. 560 00:35:57,515 --> 00:36:01,115 Speaker 1: But two months ago your drunken boss came in here 561 00:36:01,235 --> 00:36:05,395 Speaker 1: drunk saw you and me arguing about something and laughing 562 00:36:05,435 --> 00:36:08,515 Speaker 1: at the same time, and he fired me. Had to 563 00:36:08,515 --> 00:36:12,275 Speaker 1: get the union involved. I would have been fired. But 564 00:36:12,835 --> 00:36:17,075 Speaker 1: how could you leave UPI Stan? This new job at 565 00:36:17,155 --> 00:36:20,035 Speaker 1: RKO pays me forty percent more for like forty percent 566 00:36:20,115 --> 00:36:23,475 Speaker 1: less work. That's one thing. And they're full of other 567 00:36:23,875 --> 00:36:27,115 Speaker 1: people my age, kids like me who want to do 568 00:36:27,195 --> 00:36:30,315 Speaker 1: things that'll make radio better and keep the business alive. 569 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:31,715 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you noticed this, it's in 570 00:36:31,755 --> 00:36:36,435 Speaker 1: trouble now, Stan laughed. But RKDO has only been around 571 00:36:36,435 --> 00:36:39,755 Speaker 1: for one year. UPI's existed. We've been here since nineteen 572 00:36:39,755 --> 00:36:42,395 Speaker 1: oh seven, and we're full of kids working here. You're 573 00:36:42,515 --> 00:36:47,595 Speaker 1: a kid working here. Why would you ever leave UPI Stan? 574 00:36:48,555 --> 00:36:51,475 Speaker 1: How many people under thirty have left in the last 575 00:36:52,195 --> 00:36:54,355 Speaker 1: six months? I mean how many just from the from 576 00:36:54,355 --> 00:36:57,515 Speaker 1: the sports desk out there in the main newsroom. You're 577 00:36:57,555 --> 00:36:59,835 Speaker 1: not paying as much as a newspaper in New Jersey. 578 00:36:59,915 --> 00:37:02,195 Speaker 1: You just lost a guy into a newspaper in New Jersey. 579 00:37:02,875 --> 00:37:05,155 Speaker 1: I'm going to be twenty two and two months. The 580 00:37:05,195 --> 00:37:07,955 Speaker 1: next youngest person at the radio network is thirty four. 581 00:37:08,795 --> 00:37:13,995 Speaker 1: If your bosses keep treating young writers and young sportscasters 582 00:37:14,195 --> 00:37:17,235 Speaker 1: like you've treated me. There won't be a UPI in 583 00:37:17,355 --> 00:37:22,875 Speaker 1: ten years now, Stan Sabic braid with laughter. OK, seriously, 584 00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:30,515 Speaker 1: there will always be a UPI. Twenty months later, UPI 585 00:37:30,795 --> 00:37:35,555 Speaker 1: was sold and downsized, and the radio network was moved 586 00:37:35,595 --> 00:37:39,315 Speaker 1: from New York to Washington. Stan Sabek left to become 587 00:37:39,675 --> 00:37:43,875 Speaker 1: manager of a restaurant in Katona, New York. In New 588 00:37:43,915 --> 00:37:47,035 Speaker 1: Year two thousand, UPI was sold again to the Unification 589 00:37:47,275 --> 00:37:51,475 Speaker 1: Church of South Korea. To the Moonies, there will always 590 00:37:51,555 --> 00:37:55,795 Speaker 1: be a UPI, And from what I heard Joe Khn 591 00:37:55,915 --> 00:37:58,075 Speaker 1: say in that interview, he has that same certainty that 592 00:37:58,075 --> 00:38:00,955 Speaker 1: there will always be a New York Times, even if 593 00:38:00,955 --> 00:38:05,955 Speaker 1: it's printed by the prisoners in cell block. Eh. Nothing 594 00:38:06,115 --> 00:38:12,155 Speaker 1: Trump could ever do could change that. But first, here's 595 00:38:12,435 --> 00:38:20,795 Speaker 1: Pavarotti and guns n' roses, worsts and the exact moment 596 00:38:20,835 --> 00:38:24,355 Speaker 1: at which your ex and her ex become irresistibly funny 597 00:38:24,395 --> 00:38:50,315 Speaker 1: to you. That's next. This is countdown, messing with the 598 00:38:50,355 --> 00:38:55,315 Speaker 1: format today because there's so much news. There's too much news, 599 00:38:55,395 --> 00:38:59,555 Speaker 1: please please. I can only handle so much news, please, 600 00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:03,635 Speaker 1: But there's still more new idiots to talk about. The 601 00:39:03,715 --> 00:39:08,235 Speaker 1: daily roundup of the misgrants, morons, dunning Krueger effects specimens, 602 00:39:08,475 --> 00:39:13,915 Speaker 1: and ex girlfriends who constitute today's worse persons in the world. 603 00:39:14,035 --> 00:39:19,595 Speaker 1: I'm so tired the morons. Russell Brand. You remember Russell Brand. 604 00:39:20,635 --> 00:39:24,355 Speaker 1: He's now all king an amulet to protect you from 605 00:39:24,475 --> 00:39:28,835 Speaker 1: corrupting signals at airports. You wear it, or you stick 606 00:39:28,875 --> 00:39:31,355 Speaker 1: it on your phone, or you stick it up your 607 00:39:31,435 --> 00:39:35,355 Speaker 1: Russell Brand and it protects you from Wi Fi signals 608 00:39:35,395 --> 00:39:41,115 Speaker 1: and electronics and waves and other evil energies, he says, 609 00:39:41,195 --> 00:39:44,875 Speaker 1: evil energies. And it only costs two hundred and thirty 610 00:39:44,955 --> 00:39:47,555 Speaker 1: nine dollars and ninety nine cents. And you say it 611 00:39:47,595 --> 00:39:51,515 Speaker 1: protects me from all evil energies. You mean it protects 612 00:39:51,595 --> 00:39:56,995 Speaker 1: me from Russell Brand. What a bargain? The runner up 613 00:39:57,075 --> 00:40:01,195 Speaker 1: worser the Twitter x account. Politics polls now, I know 614 00:40:01,275 --> 00:40:03,395 Speaker 1: everybody thinks the Poles are better, or at least the 615 00:40:03,395 --> 00:40:07,475 Speaker 1: Polsters are trying harder this year, but coming down the stretch, 616 00:40:08,515 --> 00:40:12,315 Speaker 1: speaking only for myself, my confidence is shaken at politics 617 00:40:12,355 --> 00:40:17,955 Speaker 1: polls posted this yesterday Pennsylvania via American Pulse US poll 618 00:40:18,875 --> 00:40:26,115 Speaker 1: Trump fifty one percent, Harris fifty percent, one ninety three 619 00:40:26,675 --> 00:40:31,235 Speaker 1: likely voters tend to wait fifty one to fifty. Now, 620 00:40:31,355 --> 00:40:34,555 Speaker 1: I'm just a simple country lawyer who never got no 621 00:40:34,675 --> 00:40:38,995 Speaker 1: further than third grade advanced theory of relativity studies back 622 00:40:39,035 --> 00:40:43,475 Speaker 1: in school in my one room schoolhouse, but back where 623 00:40:43,515 --> 00:40:46,315 Speaker 1: I comes from, a prediction of a fifty one percent 624 00:40:46,395 --> 00:40:53,115 Speaker 1: to fifty percent outcome might be raising some eyebrowses. The award, 625 00:40:53,195 --> 00:40:55,915 Speaker 1: you'll notice, went to the Twitter aggregation account, not to 626 00:40:56,435 --> 00:41:00,595 Speaker 1: American Pulse Polling, even though they are wobbly right wingers, 627 00:41:00,795 --> 00:41:05,355 Speaker 1: because as American Pulse Polling says, somebody don't know how 628 00:41:05,355 --> 00:41:09,315 Speaker 1: to round up their numbers in Pennsylvania. Are actually Trump 629 00:41:09,475 --> 00:41:13,915 Speaker 1: fifty point five, Harris forty nine point five, And you 630 00:41:14,035 --> 00:41:18,435 Speaker 1: can't round up when you're already at one hundred. That's 631 00:41:18,475 --> 00:41:21,475 Speaker 1: how that works. Somebody went to fifty one and forty 632 00:41:21,675 --> 00:41:24,875 Speaker 1: nine and the man to fifty. You got it now? In 633 00:41:24,955 --> 00:41:28,875 Speaker 1: any event, don't tell that bizarre guy Kornaky about this, 634 00:41:29,395 --> 00:41:31,875 Speaker 1: who I also got started on TV at Current TV 635 00:41:31,955 --> 00:41:35,715 Speaker 1: on the recommendation of are You ready? Kornaki was recommended 636 00:41:35,715 --> 00:41:38,715 Speaker 1: to me by Olivia Newsy And then one day he 637 00:41:38,755 --> 00:41:42,715 Speaker 1: didn't show up because he'd signed a contract with MSNBC 638 00:41:43,235 --> 00:41:45,155 Speaker 1: and he didn't bother to tell any of us at 639 00:41:45,195 --> 00:41:48,795 Speaker 1: current if that twerp Kornaki, here's that there's a poll 640 00:41:48,835 --> 00:41:52,555 Speaker 1: out there that's fifty one fifty Trump over Harris. His 641 00:41:52,675 --> 00:41:58,075 Speaker 1: head may fall off. But our winner? Why Olivia Newsey 642 00:41:58,355 --> 00:42:03,315 Speaker 1: and Ryan Liza and Rfkate Junior? You choose, I'm too 643 00:42:03,515 --> 00:42:07,515 Speaker 1: busy laughing, truth be told, I was just beginning to 644 00:42:07,515 --> 00:42:10,075 Speaker 1: get tense about the election, and somebody had just asked 645 00:42:10,115 --> 00:42:12,875 Speaker 1: me that story with your ex and RFK Junior just 646 00:42:12,955 --> 00:42:15,395 Speaker 1: kind of petered out, didn't it. And I said, what 647 00:42:15,435 --> 00:42:17,915 Speaker 1: do you mean by peterd And then I said, don't worry. 648 00:42:17,955 --> 00:42:20,555 Speaker 1: It'll pick up again when New York Magazine fires her 649 00:42:20,915 --> 00:42:24,115 Speaker 1: and Politico fires him, And I guarantee you both of 650 00:42:24,115 --> 00:42:26,235 Speaker 1: those things are going to happen, and then they will 651 00:42:26,315 --> 00:42:30,075 Speaker 1: sue New York Magazine. She'll sue New New York Magazine 652 00:42:30,235 --> 00:42:32,515 Speaker 1: and he'll sue Political although it'd be much more interesting 653 00:42:32,555 --> 00:42:36,355 Speaker 1: if they switched then, and when Cheryl Hines sues him 654 00:42:36,355 --> 00:42:40,195 Speaker 1: for divorce, you watch it'll pick up, ben. But truth 655 00:42:40,235 --> 00:42:43,915 Speaker 1: be told, I was beginning to worry. I mean, I'd 656 00:42:43,955 --> 00:42:47,235 Speaker 1: really come to depend upon this story to cheer me 657 00:42:47,395 --> 00:42:50,795 Speaker 1: up and to make me believe in a caring universe 658 00:42:51,275 --> 00:42:54,675 Speaker 1: that clearly wanted me to get all the laughter and 659 00:42:54,795 --> 00:42:58,715 Speaker 1: vengeance I could ever eat without ever having asked for it. 660 00:42:59,915 --> 00:43:04,235 Speaker 1: And then there was a news story yesterday he you 661 00:43:04,275 --> 00:43:06,955 Speaker 1: may work. Call Olivia, who is the mother of my 662 00:43:06,995 --> 00:43:12,395 Speaker 1: two oldest dogs, sued her ex fiancee, Liza, the most 663 00:43:12,395 --> 00:43:15,315 Speaker 1: boring guest in the history of Countdown, claiming he had 664 00:43:15,355 --> 00:43:20,115 Speaker 1: hacked her phone and leaked the RFK story and tried 665 00:43:20,155 --> 00:43:22,955 Speaker 1: to blackmail her into getting back together. And you know 666 00:43:23,555 --> 00:43:27,595 Speaker 1: sex clearly, if the story is true, what he should 667 00:43:27,635 --> 00:43:30,315 Speaker 1: have done. He did this wrong strategically. What he should 668 00:43:30,355 --> 00:43:33,675 Speaker 1: have done was call her up on the phone. Am 669 00:43:33,715 --> 00:43:38,195 Speaker 1: I right now? Liza has responded. His court answer is 670 00:43:38,235 --> 00:43:40,915 Speaker 1: in and in it, he says, quoting a news report, 671 00:43:41,355 --> 00:43:44,395 Speaker 1: she admitted to having a romantic affair with Kennedy and 672 00:43:44,435 --> 00:43:49,395 Speaker 1: that she described the relationship as toxic, unhealthy, psychotic, and indefensible. 673 00:43:49,835 --> 00:43:53,635 Speaker 1: Liza said Newsy told him that Kennedy wanted to possess 674 00:43:54,075 --> 00:44:01,995 Speaker 1: control and impregnate her. Same so wait, RFK wanted to 675 00:44:02,035 --> 00:44:06,595 Speaker 1: impregnate her while the entirety of the relationship was conducted 676 00:44:06,595 --> 00:44:10,315 Speaker 1: on FaceTime. I know that's insane, but at least I 677 00:44:10,355 --> 00:44:12,875 Speaker 1: begin to understand what she may have meant when she 678 00:44:12,955 --> 00:44:18,195 Speaker 1: supposedly reportedly said his FaceTime sexual prowess was highlighted by 679 00:44:18,235 --> 00:44:23,715 Speaker 1: his stamina. Don't worry, Hun, I can impregnate you by 680 00:44:23,795 --> 00:44:32,515 Speaker 1: a long distance man. Her relationship with me when I 681 00:44:32,635 --> 00:44:35,195 Speaker 1: was I don't know, seven hundred years older than her, 682 00:44:35,315 --> 00:44:37,275 Speaker 1: it was like the most normal thing that ever happened 683 00:44:37,315 --> 00:44:42,275 Speaker 1: to her. I mean we had dogs. I mean it 684 00:44:42,315 --> 00:44:48,115 Speaker 1: was it's so in retrospect, so boring. It's unbelievable. You 685 00:44:48,155 --> 00:44:50,035 Speaker 1: went out with Attila the hun. Yeah, it was the 686 00:44:50,035 --> 00:44:58,515 Speaker 1: most boring relationship. Also from this story, long distance Liza 687 00:44:58,595 --> 00:45:01,355 Speaker 1: claims news he said quote there was a huge power 688 00:45:01,515 --> 00:45:05,755 Speaker 1: disparity between herself and RFK Junior. Lizia said he didn't 689 00:45:05,795 --> 00:45:08,915 Speaker 1: steal her hack any of Newsy's devices, as she claimed, 690 00:45:09,315 --> 00:45:11,915 Speaker 1: everything I know about her affair comes directly from Ms 691 00:45:11,915 --> 00:45:15,675 Speaker 1: Newzy herself, he wrote in a statement. Newsy's council also 692 00:45:15,755 --> 00:45:20,155 Speaker 1: said Liz's filing was full of salacious and irrelevant claims 693 00:45:20,275 --> 00:45:25,395 Speaker 1: that we will not dignify with a response and here denial. 694 00:45:25,675 --> 00:45:29,035 Speaker 1: The council said. Newsy, who was granted a temporary protection 695 00:45:29,235 --> 00:45:32,675 Speaker 1: order is taking legal action to ensure her safety and 696 00:45:32,795 --> 00:45:36,435 Speaker 1: be left alone. I hate to tell you this live 697 00:45:37,435 --> 00:45:41,955 Speaker 1: the be left Alone part. That ship has sailed circle 698 00:45:41,995 --> 00:45:45,275 Speaker 1: back on being left alone around the year twenty thirty 699 00:45:47,155 --> 00:45:52,915 Speaker 1: three four, The report says. A rep for RFK Junior says, 700 00:45:52,955 --> 00:45:57,235 Speaker 1: this description of his relationship with Olivia is quote not true. 701 00:45:57,875 --> 00:45:59,595 Speaker 1: I mean, what did you expect. What sort of statement 702 00:45:59,595 --> 00:46:02,475 Speaker 1: did you expect? He was going to say? Wait, which 703 00:46:02,515 --> 00:46:06,795 Speaker 1: phone number was she? He does sound like Krusty the clown? 704 00:46:08,275 --> 00:46:12,635 Speaker 1: What There was also a detail that they buried at 705 00:46:12,635 --> 00:46:15,395 Speaker 1: the end of their story. Liza says in the filing 706 00:46:15,635 --> 00:46:18,395 Speaker 1: that he broke off his engagement to Newsy in August, 707 00:46:19,235 --> 00:46:23,835 Speaker 1: after which Newsy pleaded to reconsider rekindling their relationship. Liza 708 00:46:23,875 --> 00:46:27,195 Speaker 1: also alleged that Newsy had a separate affair in twenty 709 00:46:27,275 --> 00:46:33,115 Speaker 1: twenty that allegedly compromised the pair's book deal. Now, this 710 00:46:33,155 --> 00:46:36,355 Speaker 1: is an observation. For two years, their bios said they 711 00:46:36,355 --> 00:46:38,475 Speaker 1: were working on this book on Trump. It was going 712 00:46:38,555 --> 00:46:41,075 Speaker 1: to come out in twenty twenty. Then in twenty twenty 713 00:46:41,075 --> 00:46:43,515 Speaker 1: their bios changed to they were working on a book 714 00:46:43,555 --> 00:46:46,635 Speaker 1: on Trump with no date on it. This idea that 715 00:46:46,675 --> 00:46:49,715 Speaker 1: she screwed around and screwed up their book deal is 716 00:46:49,875 --> 00:46:52,995 Speaker 1: so on point about their relationship that it is as 717 00:46:53,115 --> 00:46:58,035 Speaker 1: if it were scripted. You may have noticed my attitude 718 00:46:58,115 --> 00:47:00,835 Speaker 1: towards this has been in large part, in one word, 719 00:47:01,275 --> 00:47:07,795 Speaker 1: popcornian or on both your houses. And again, given RFK 720 00:47:07,955 --> 00:47:10,955 Speaker 1: Junior's involvement, this might be literally correct. About the pox, 721 00:47:11,915 --> 00:47:14,515 Speaker 1: I really haven't decided who I would help if asked. 722 00:47:14,515 --> 00:47:17,755 Speaker 1: And by the way, I know stuff I know, stuff 723 00:47:17,795 --> 00:47:23,595 Speaker 1: that they don't know I know. But I will say 724 00:47:24,835 --> 00:47:29,235 Speaker 1: they were perfectly matched. I mean Liza and Newsy. I 725 00:47:29,315 --> 00:47:32,555 Speaker 1: mentioned once that when we still lived together, Olivia Newsy 726 00:47:32,555 --> 00:47:35,075 Speaker 1: would go to Washington a lot on stories and she'd 727 00:47:35,075 --> 00:47:38,515 Speaker 1: always say, do you know this guy, Liza, he's stalking me, 728 00:47:38,875 --> 00:47:42,195 Speaker 1: although she used that word stalker very very very loosely. 729 00:47:42,835 --> 00:47:45,235 Speaker 1: As time elapsed and more and more of her issues 730 00:47:45,595 --> 00:47:47,555 Speaker 1: came to the fore, and eventually they led to our 731 00:47:47,595 --> 00:47:50,955 Speaker 1: breakup when I found out then later that she and 732 00:47:50,995 --> 00:47:53,155 Speaker 1: Liza were dating. And this is before he was fired 733 00:47:53,155 --> 00:47:55,355 Speaker 1: by the New Yorker, where she wanted to work, and 734 00:47:55,395 --> 00:47:57,915 Speaker 1: she wanted to work there with a passion that really 735 00:47:57,915 --> 00:48:01,235 Speaker 1: didn't seem rational. It was very extreme. I had half 736 00:48:01,235 --> 00:48:04,115 Speaker 1: a thought to send him a text saying, listen, Pal, 737 00:48:04,875 --> 00:48:06,595 Speaker 1: I don't want to alarm you, but if one day 738 00:48:06,595 --> 00:48:09,395 Speaker 1: she kills you and then wears your body into the 739 00:48:09,435 --> 00:48:13,515 Speaker 1: New Yorker offices and tells everybody she is you, don't 740 00:48:13,555 --> 00:48:18,315 Speaker 1: say I didn't warn you. Anyway. I haven't mentioned which 741 00:48:18,355 --> 00:48:20,595 Speaker 1: news outlet I've been quoting, because that may be the 742 00:48:20,635 --> 00:48:22,995 Speaker 1: funniest part of the whole thing. The story I have 743 00:48:23,075 --> 00:48:25,355 Speaker 1: been reading to you is from the Wall Street Journal, 744 00:48:25,675 --> 00:48:31,115 Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal. This is in the Wall Street Turtle. Yes, uh, 745 00:48:31,635 --> 00:48:36,075 Speaker 1: my scandal has been covered by the American Academy of 746 00:48:37,355 --> 00:48:46,435 Speaker 1: Crossword Solving Artists magazine quarterly. My God, it's covered the 747 00:48:46,515 --> 00:48:50,235 Speaker 1: Wall Street Turtle. Now they played it kind of blot 748 00:48:50,395 --> 00:48:54,435 Speaker 1: to their credit, not the fellow Murdoch owned New York Post, 749 00:48:54,555 --> 00:48:56,595 Speaker 1: which of course put this on the front page again 750 00:48:56,755 --> 00:48:59,475 Speaker 1: and added something the journal did not have quote. The 751 00:48:59,475 --> 00:49:02,515 Speaker 1: couple spent a few weekends together following the breakup, where 752 00:49:02,515 --> 00:49:08,075 Speaker 1: e Liza describes a sobbing Newsy expelling her love and loneliness, 753 00:49:08,475 --> 00:49:11,275 Speaker 1: along with her fear that Liza would never contact her again. 754 00:49:11,915 --> 00:49:17,075 Speaker 1: The filing read Olivia, my ex Ryan, Liza and rfk 755 00:49:17,315 --> 00:49:26,835 Speaker 1: June wait expelling she was quote expelling her love. I'm 756 00:49:26,875 --> 00:49:31,595 Speaker 1: hoping the postwriters simply got the wrong word there, or 757 00:49:31,755 --> 00:49:35,075 Speaker 1: or I don't even want to know what the ore 758 00:49:35,275 --> 00:50:11,635 Speaker 1: could be. Two day's worse persons and the world ex spelling. 759 00:50:14,475 --> 00:50:17,315 Speaker 1: They've done all the damage they can do here. Thank 760 00:50:17,395 --> 00:50:20,915 Speaker 1: you for listening. We are now back to five episodes 761 00:50:20,955 --> 00:50:25,315 Speaker 1: a week, posting nightly just after midnight Eastern. Honest to god, 762 00:50:25,315 --> 00:50:27,555 Speaker 1: I was thinking of retiring after the election, but I 763 00:50:27,635 --> 00:50:30,995 Speaker 1: have to stick around just for this story, don't I 764 00:50:31,075 --> 00:50:34,715 Speaker 1: We post nightly just after midnight. Please follow me for 765 00:50:34,755 --> 00:50:39,275 Speaker 1: the podcast promo videos on TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, x, Instagram, 766 00:50:39,315 --> 00:50:42,915 Speaker 1: and tube talk. Once again, I'll remind you there is 767 00:50:42,955 --> 00:50:46,435 Speaker 1: a Monday countdown. If I can be bothered to work 768 00:50:46,435 --> 00:50:48,795 Speaker 1: on a Sunday night, you can be bothered to listen 769 00:50:48,875 --> 00:50:52,715 Speaker 1: on a Monday. Please send this podcast, or at lease 770 00:50:52,755 --> 00:50:54,675 Speaker 1: the link to it to somebody who does not know 771 00:50:54,715 --> 00:50:57,395 Speaker 1: that they need to listen, but should You could send 772 00:50:57,395 --> 00:51:03,115 Speaker 1: it to Olivia. And the thing is I never actually 773 00:51:03,595 --> 00:51:07,195 Speaker 1: wished them ill. She brought me into the world of dogs. 774 00:51:07,675 --> 00:51:09,395 Speaker 1: That does not mean I'm not going to sit here 775 00:51:09,395 --> 00:51:13,475 Speaker 1: and laugh through all this, and I will testify if subpoenaed, 776 00:51:14,635 --> 00:51:19,275 Speaker 1: because Brian Ray and John Phillip Shanelle, the musical directors, 777 00:51:19,275 --> 00:51:22,275 Speaker 1: have kept down and arranged, produced and performed most of 778 00:51:22,315 --> 00:51:25,035 Speaker 1: our music. Also, you know, if you know any other 779 00:51:25,155 --> 00:51:28,635 Speaker 1: listeners to this podcast who bail out after the opening 780 00:51:28,675 --> 00:51:31,275 Speaker 1: segment or even after Worst Persons, which is usually in 781 00:51:31,355 --> 00:51:33,955 Speaker 1: the B block, you should tell them to listen to 782 00:51:33,995 --> 00:51:37,475 Speaker 1: the whole show today. I mean, even if it takes 783 00:51:37,515 --> 00:51:39,595 Speaker 1: a couple of days. Because there's a lot in this show, 784 00:51:39,675 --> 00:51:42,755 Speaker 1: isn't there this particular one, This one goes up on 785 00:51:42,835 --> 00:51:46,155 Speaker 1: the wall somewhere. I'd like to see it inscribed in tablets. 786 00:51:47,675 --> 00:51:51,555 Speaker 1: Mister Chanale of Ray and Shanelle handled orchestration and keyboards. 787 00:51:51,595 --> 00:51:54,915 Speaker 1: Mister Ray on the guitars, bass and drums. It was 788 00:51:54,955 --> 00:51:58,235 Speaker 1: produced by Tko Brothers. Our satirical and pithy musical comments 789 00:51:58,275 --> 00:52:01,035 Speaker 1: are by the best baseball stadium organist, every Nancy Faust. 790 00:52:01,195 --> 00:52:03,915 Speaker 1: The sports music is the Old Woman theme from ESPN 791 00:52:03,955 --> 00:52:07,835 Speaker 1: two by Mitch Horren Davis Curtesy of ESPN Inc. Other 792 00:52:07,955 --> 00:52:11,795 Speaker 1: music arranged and performed by No Horns Allowed, or played 793 00:52:12,155 --> 00:52:17,115 Speaker 1: from the Donald Trump in his own head radio station playlist. 794 00:52:18,275 --> 00:52:21,315 Speaker 1: My announcer today is my late friend and hero, George Carlin. 795 00:52:21,715 --> 00:52:24,955 Speaker 1: Everything else was pretty much my fault, although today most 796 00:52:24,995 --> 00:52:28,555 Speaker 1: of it was not my fault. That's countdown for today, 797 00:52:28,835 --> 00:52:31,395 Speaker 1: two weeks and six days until the twenty twenty four 798 00:52:31,595 --> 00:52:34,755 Speaker 1: presidential election and the one three hundred and eightieth day 799 00:52:35,275 --> 00:52:42,795 Speaker 1: since convicted felon dementia j fugue state Trump's first attempted 800 00:52:42,875 --> 00:52:46,075 Speaker 1: coop against the democratically elected government of the United States. 801 00:52:46,515 --> 00:52:49,035 Speaker 1: Use the election, use the mental health system, use presidential 802 00:52:49,075 --> 00:52:52,035 Speaker 1: immunity to keep him from doing it again. Wow, we 803 00:52:52,115 --> 00:52:56,155 Speaker 1: still have a chance. The next scheduled countdown is tomorrow 804 00:52:56,235 --> 00:52:59,395 Speaker 1: Bolton's as the news requires. Until the next one, I'm 805 00:52:59,435 --> 00:53:03,155 Speaker 1: Keith ol Ruman. Good morning, good afternoon, goodnight, and oh 806 00:53:03,195 --> 00:53:24,915 Speaker 1: look I can hit the post. Good Luck Countdown with 807 00:53:25,075 --> 00:53:29,355 Speaker 1: Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts 808 00:53:29,395 --> 00:53:34,115 Speaker 1: from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 809 00:53:34,195 --> 00:53:35,515 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.