1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Oh my guys, we are mad. Normally your show with 2 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: normal what she takes for when the news gets weird. 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 2: I am Mary Tatham him and I'm Carol Markowitz. We 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: are going to get into the news getting weird. We 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 2: put this topic off, and I want people to understand 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: we did not discuss Epstein because we're on the Epstein 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: list and we can we you know, want to hide 8 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 2: our involvement or any of the conspiracy theories around it. 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: We have not discussed Epstein because. 10 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 2: The news changes very quickly, and even as we are 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: going to record right now for tomorrow's release, Donald Trump 12 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: just five minutes ago posted something on truth that we're 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 2: going to get into also. 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 3: And you know, it's not that easy. 15 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: To talk about a topic that is rapidly changing when 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: you record a show when we're not live, even when 17 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: you are alive, because so much changes so quickly. So 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 2: we wanted to wait on Epstein, and we feel like 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 2: we can wait no more. 20 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, here we go, let's do it. Here are my 21 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: basic thoughts on Telestine from the beginning is that at 22 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: the very least this was investigated from the beginning incompetently 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: and probably corruptly, because there were so many important people involved, 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: he got a sweetheart deal and his first charges yep, 25 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: and throughout the thing stinks to high heaven. 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 3: Right. 27 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't know what the truth is, but I know 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: that it is bad. And we know there are all 29 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: these very real victims, many many of which signed NDA's 30 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: and we may never know anything about, many of which 31 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: don't want anything known about them, and they are in 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: the files. Such that the files are makes it hard 33 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: to release some of that without major reactions, which then 34 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: lends itself to various other theories. I don't think it's 35 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: wrong to think something's afoot. I just don't know what 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: the thing is other than I think this was slow 37 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: rolled or incompetent from the beginning, and I think that 38 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: Trump administration, and by the way, that was both sides, 39 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 1: with the slow rolling and the incompetency, I think the 40 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: Trump administration stepped in it by promising people things that 41 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: they couldn't give, right. 42 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's basically where I am. Look. 43 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: Our second topic of the day today, which we'll get into, 44 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: will be Trump's Scotis wins. And I just want to 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 2: say I've had a up and down relationship with the president. 46 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: You know, one side of relationship. 47 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: He doesn't. 48 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 3: You know, he's not having any relationship with me. 49 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 2: But you know, my feelings and thoughts on him have 50 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: been up and down depending on things that he does 51 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 2: and says, not you know, not out of nowhere. 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: But I am like peak Trump love right now. 53 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 2: I think that he is crushing it. I think that 54 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,399 Speaker 2: since they I ran attack, maybe even before that, all 55 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: of his moves have been in my mind Stella, the 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: scotuswinds are incredible. 57 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 3: I think he really is on a high. 58 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: I've been joking that maybe it's time for me to 59 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 2: get a mega hat like we are in a place 60 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 2: Donald Trump and I having said all that, I blame 61 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 2: him for this. I don't blame PAMBONDI, I don't blame 62 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: Cash Ptel or Dan Bungino. 63 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: This buck stops with Donald Trump. 64 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: And now when I would say blame, I don't think 65 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: he's covering up his own involvement at all. 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: I've never bought that theory. 67 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,799 Speaker 2: I can give you guys a slight piece of insidery information. 68 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: A friend of a friend, somebody I really trust, worked 69 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 2: on the obscene investigation hates Donald Trump says he has 70 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 2: nothing to do with it. I mean, like says he 71 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: literally has nothing to do with it. 72 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Well, so, yeah, this is part of the danger of 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: all of this information is that he had connections to 74 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: many very famous and powerful people, many of which were 75 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 1: normal or innocent or transactional in normal ways that did 76 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: not touch the illegal activity. And so you can't just 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: assume everyone involved was doing this kind of thing. I 78 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: also think if this information had existed in any form 79 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: or any hint at it, the Biden administration would have 80 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: leaked this information. 81 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: Somebody who thinks the Biden administration sat on Donald Trump 82 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 2: being involved with Jeffrey Epstein is fooling themselves. 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 3: Absolutely not. 84 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: Also the side note to this is I think that 85 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 2: money lets people kind of disregard asking additional questions. You know, 86 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: when somebody has a private plane, I think that makes 87 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 2: people be like, oh, well, he's a legitimate person and 88 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: he made all his money, and I can go on 89 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: his plane. 90 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 3: And so a lot of people were on his plane 91 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:28,119 Speaker 3: a lot. 92 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: I know some seedless celebrities that were on his plane 93 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: who are not I would just say, not involved in 94 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 2: any way, and nobody has ever mentioned them. 95 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: But you would also bolster that part of it if 96 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: you ever watch any of these Netflix like scam artist documentaries. 97 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: All of them charter planes and pretend that they have 98 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: private planes, because that's the signal that you are of, 99 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: you know, like the okay person to associate with. Right. 100 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 2: I hope that I raise my kids to be like, 101 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: I don't care if you have a private plane, Like 102 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: I'm not going somewhere with someone I don't know. On 103 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: a side side note, conservative influencer Lauren Southern yesterday published 104 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: a whole thing about how she was sexually assaulted allegedly 105 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: by Andrew Tate. And one of the things is like, well, 106 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 2: he had so much money and he was able to 107 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: like call me a car, and I went to these 108 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: fancy restaurants and I was very poor and blah blah blah. 109 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: And she blames herself, which she shouldn't. But that's what happens, 110 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: is that people get taken in by wealth or the 111 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: illusion of wealth, and kids don't do this. It doesn't 112 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: matter how rich someone is, like verify, you know, verify 113 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: who they are. You know, really don't trust everyone just 114 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: because they have money. 115 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think to your point about them about 116 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: Trump bringing this on himself, you know, there were a 117 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: lot of there were promises made, and then people within 118 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: the administration were explicit about those promises, like I got 119 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: the list on my desk. I don't actually think there's 120 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: a list, because generally people don't write down explicitly all 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 1: the illegal things that they are doing in a list form, 122 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: except for the Ivy League with hiring, which I always 123 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: admit that they did it by race, but that's another 124 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: issue for another day. Yeah, I don't know if there's 125 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: an explicit list. I do know there's more information, right. 126 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: I think the easy, clean answer for the Trump administration 127 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: was Ghislaine Maxwell has this case in appeals. We can't 128 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: do anything until that is resulved. Maxwell was Epstein's right 129 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: hand woman who did a lot of the cultivating of 130 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 1: these relationships with these underaged women. That's a lot of 131 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: the work of getting people matched up or whatever, discussing 132 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: things they were into. She did a lot of that work, 133 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: and a lot of people rightly say, why is this 134 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: woman convicted and we see no other people who actually 135 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: did you know, we're the other side of this transaction 136 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: getting punished, And I think that's a fair critique. I 137 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: think the administration should have just said until this appeals 138 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: case is done, we can't do anything else. 139 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 3: That's what they should have said. 140 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 2: We're going to read something from Sonny, right. We mentioned 141 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: that account recently on here. But Sonny points out that 142 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: the brief of the United States Government before the Supreme 143 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 2: Court of the United States, submitted and signed by Trump's 144 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: Solicitor General d John Sower from quote from about nineteen 145 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: ninety four to two thousand and four petitioner, and this 146 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: is talking about Maxwell coordinated, facilitated, and contributed to the 147 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: multi millionaire financers Jeffrey Epstein's sexual abuse of numerous young 148 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: women and underage girls. Petitioner and Epstein paid victims large 149 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: amount of cash to provide Epstein with sexualized massages. So, yes, 150 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 2: were there other people involved. I'm sure that there were, 151 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: But she's actually convicted of getting girls for herself and 152 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: for Epstein. Look, I you know, another quote from Sonny 153 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: from the brief is moreover and in order to maintain 154 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: and increase his supply of victims, Maxwell and Epstein also 155 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: paid certain victims to recruit additional girls. 156 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 3: To be similarly abused by Epstein. 157 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 2: In this way, Maxwell and Epstein created a network of 158 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: underage victims. 159 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: For Epstein's to sexually exploit. 160 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: Sonny points out the conviction and sentencing was not at 161 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: all based upon notions that she was trafficking them for a. 162 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: List of clients, and that saying. 163 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: That does not mean that we don't think there were 164 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 2: additional people involved. It just means this is what the 165 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: Cord case was, and I'm sure there were more people involved. 166 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: We know there are more people involved. You know, victims 167 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 2: who have spoken out said that there were more people involved. 168 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: That does not mean that that's what they convicted her. 169 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: On or that they could possibly can convict because they 170 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: don't have the evidence. I would say, I think this 171 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: is a real there is a real rift of sorts here. 172 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: I think the people who care most about it are 173 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: content creators and influencers and commentators. Yeah, that doesn't mean 174 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to the base. There are there are 175 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: there's a portion of the portion that cares about Epstein 176 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: that really believes this is the decoder ring to all 177 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: elite corruption, right, And I think I think there's like 178 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,440 Speaker 1: there might be a kernel of truth there about how 179 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: people are protected and how these systems work. But I 180 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: think assuming it's the decoder ring to all this thing, 181 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: that you're going to break wide open is a mistake, 182 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: but that being said, Trump prefers to it as the Epstein. 183 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 3: Hosts olks, it's big yeah. 184 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: That is going to be an interesting take. I think 185 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: this tests how much the portion of the portion of 186 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: the base that listens to Donald Trump will buy from him. Right, 187 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: if they care about this issue. In the past, they 188 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: would have said, well, this guy's in on it too. 189 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: Here we have it. The deep state won't let us 190 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: know the real truth, right, or the influencers and such 191 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: might find out that indeed, Maga is what Trump says, 192 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: and Maga takes Trump's word for it that they're being 193 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: sort of swindled by the left, which is very happy 194 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 1: to make this rift the number one story in the nation. 195 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: So we shall see. 196 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 2: I think that Donald Trump and his bass have a 197 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: real trust between them, for better or for worse, because 198 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 2: I don't think trusting politicians is the best idea, but 199 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: he really does have their sincere trust. So it will 200 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: be interesting to see what happens when he calls the 201 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 2: Jeffrey and Epstein hoax. 202 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: A scam, their new scam, and he. 203 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 2: Says, my past supporters have bought into this bullshit hook line, 204 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 2: and Sinker is going to expose a rift. And there's 205 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: this additional element where all of the influencers who despise 206 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 2: Israel have decided that this is a Masad plot that 207 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: would entail our intelligence services not acting on that Massad plot. 208 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 2: And we're going to need any evidence whatsoever other than 209 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 2: some guy said, which is literally what this evidence is 210 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: based on right now, to say that this was an 211 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 2: international plot in any way, or an intelligence plot in anyway, 212 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 2: because the next step, if the people aren't blaming Massad, 213 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 2: they are blaming our own intelligence agencies are saying that 214 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: he was a CIA agent. I'm going to need to 215 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 2: see some evidence before you say things like that. 216 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: And so also back to the issue of trust. I 217 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 3: trust Dan Bengino. 218 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 2: I know him personally, think that he talked about this 219 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: issue for years. He wanted to uncover this. He wanted 220 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: to get into the FBI and uncover this. Nobody wanted 221 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: to uncover it. More so, when he said like two 222 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 2: months ago that Jeffrey Epstein actually did kill himself, I 223 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 2: believe him. That does not mean that nobody helped, That 224 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 2: does not mean that he didn't pay the guards to 225 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: look the other way. I allegedly I'm alleging this. That 226 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 2: does not mean there was no involvement by anybody else 227 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: in his suicide. But the medical examiner found that it 228 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: was a suicide. And Dan Bengino says so, and I 229 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 2: believe him. 230 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the truth is the truth could be 231 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: that this is the story and this is what the 232 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: government could prove, and that he did kill himself, and 233 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: that could just be the truth. Right now, that doesn't 234 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: settle anything for anyone, I think, no matter how much 235 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: information you give them. And this goes to another trust problem, 236 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: which is a bigger one than the Trump and his base, 237 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: which actually does have a fairly decent trust relationship. It's 238 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 1: the just institutional distrust. Oh yeah, And I was on 239 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: Special Report talking about this issue with Guy Benson, who said, 240 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not usually in the market for a 241 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: ton of conspiracy theories, but this one has stunk from 242 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: day one. And I said, and not only that, I've 243 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: been tricked before by assuming that the rational, simple explanation 244 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: would be the right thing as opposed to what Russia 245 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: Gate actually was, as opposed to COVID disinformation. Yeah, right, 246 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: And so I understand people's confusion and anger about it. 247 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were lied to. They don't trust anymore, and 248 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: I get it. And so that's why Donald Trump, I think, 249 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 2: is saying, yes, you don't trust anymore, but you trust me. 250 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: And I'm telling you this is not a thing. 251 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: Whether or not people will accept that is you know, 252 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: it really is the tell here. 253 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: It's the question of is this were maga splits? 254 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 2: And there are influencers who are going to kind of 255 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: do well, raking in the cash from the people who 256 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: turn on Trump, and they build the audience off of that. 257 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: There's so much of that. 258 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 4: Also. 259 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: I wanted to mention there was a story on Monday 260 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump was personally calling influencers to say layoff 261 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: Pam Bondi. This is from CNN and it's a little 262 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: bit of long quote, but I'm going to read it privately. 263 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: Trump has also doubled down on his support for Bondi. 264 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: The president called some of the Attorney general's most vocal 265 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: critics over the weekend in effort to stem the bleeding 266 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 2: over the Epstein files. Three sources familiar with the matter 267 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 2: told CNN. Trump's calls included one with the conservative activist 268 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk on Saturday to express his support for Bondi. 269 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 2: The call came as prominent MAGA supporters reportedly criticized the 270 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: attorney general at Kirk's Turning Point USA Student Action sum 271 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: at a Florida event aimed at mobilizing young conservatives. Members 272 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 2: of the president's inner circle have also reached out to 273 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 2: some of Bondi's critics to essentially ask them to ramp 274 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: it down, noting that Trump at this moment was not 275 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: getting rid of his attorney general source his caution that 276 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: while Trump was currently still supporting Bondi, things could always change. 277 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 3: To be clear, no one has. 278 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 2: Called us, so we could say whatever we want. But 279 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair to lay this on Pambondy. 280 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: And again, in the world of teams, I'm kind of 281 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 2: team Dan Bongino here, But I don't think this is 282 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: Pam Bondi. I think this comes from Donald Trump. So 283 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 2: if you're mad at Pam Bondy, you're actually mad at 284 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. 285 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. Look, And then then the question is also, 286 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: even if people are mad about it, are they happier 287 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: about other things that are happening in the administration? Right 288 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 1: this is maybe not their top priority. What is the 289 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: tradical salience of this issue, and that's one of the 290 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 1: things where people who have disagreed with him about other 291 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: things like support for Israel, like whatever sort of deal 292 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: we're making on Ukrainian arms, that kind of thing. Are 293 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: they mad about that? Yes, And that therefore the good 294 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: parts of Trump for them are not overriding this, whereas 295 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: for other people, the good parts of Trump will easily 296 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: override it and they'll move right. Yeah. 297 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 298 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 2: I mean Tucker Carlson made a comment at that TPUSA, 299 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: you know combab that he said, basically, who cares about 300 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: boys playing in girls sports? Like that's just an appetizer 301 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: and I want the main dish. I'm sorry to me, 302 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: that is a main dish to me, that is one 303 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: of the main dishes. 304 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: Why I'm buying a Maga hat. 305 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Also, Tucker Carlson, famous culture warrior, is disappointed that we're 306 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 1: winning a culture war in the state in the battleground 307 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: for which right now is the state in which he lives, 308 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: right where they took a female representative and took her 309 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: right to vote on vote and her right to speak 310 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: on the House right away from her an elected representative. 311 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: But who cares because she spoke. 312 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: Out on this issue that he formerly very much cared about. Yeah, 313 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 1: now it's just nothing, It's just small potatoes. 314 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: And I think you're right that it is these other issues. 315 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 2: I think at Tucker has majorly turned on Israel and 316 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 2: this it disappoints him that Donald Trump hasn't, and that 317 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: he's a big Israel supporter. I'm sure there are Ukraine 318 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: issues involved there as well, but Trump is crushing it, 319 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 2: absolutely crushing it. And anybody who is on the right 320 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: who says otherwise has ulterior motives or ulterior kind of 321 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: priorities more than anything else. 322 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's Trump's argument explicitly in his truth post 323 00:15:56,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: where he says like, I'm killing it and you guys 324 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: are all talking about this others, right. Yeah. I do 325 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: think him calling it a hoax is going to be 326 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: an interesting test of where people land. And I would 327 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: just say for the future on these big issues, be 328 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: careful what you make hay out of before you're elected, yep, 329 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: and then how you handle said promises after you're elected, 330 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: particularly in something that gets this much social media heat. 331 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: When you're back on normally, we will talk a little 332 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: bit about a lot of those successes. 333 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: We are back on normally, and we are going to 334 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 2: talk Trump wins, because they've been numerous and really far reaching. 335 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:41,080 Speaker 3: Let's just talk about the last month in Scotis. 336 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: Victories in June. 337 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: At the end of June, he won on immigration resumed 338 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: deportations to third third party countries. Another one in June 339 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: birthright citizenship and nationwide injunctions case, Court ruled sixty three 340 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: that lower courts cannot issue nationwide injunctions, significantly empowering Trump's 341 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 2: executive authority. At July eighth, the mass federal worker layoffs, 342 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court lifted a nationwide injunction blocking Trump's February 343 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: executive order permitting large scale terminations across federal agencies, including 344 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: state and veteran affairs, without needing congressional approval. Just yesterday, 345 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 2: as we're recording this Education Department downsizing, Scotis lifted a 346 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: lower court block enabling the Trump administration to lay off 347 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 2: nearly fourteen hundred staff at the Department of Education. These 348 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 2: are massive, massive victories, and I get why Trump is 349 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 2: a little annoyed that his incredible success is being overshadowed 350 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: by Jeffrey Epstein. 351 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: Well, and then he's also got this the big beautiful 352 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 1: bill through before July force, which I did not predict. 353 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: It is a massive victory. To have extended the tax rates, 354 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: which we're going to expire at the end of the year, 355 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: is the thing that he wanted. Now it comes with 356 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot of other stuff that I'm not a huge 357 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: fan of, but the part where he got the tax 358 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: rates extend, yeah, six months before the actual deadline. Huge. 359 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: It's been a long time since I've seen that in government. Yeah, 360 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: and now he has, yes, indeed, the power, the boss 361 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: has the power to restructure his own agencies and fire 362 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: employees that work within them. Down breaking. I can't believe 363 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: we have to go to Supreme Court for this, but 364 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: this is what you know, law fair, this is. 365 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 3: Where we got to. 366 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's good news that you know. You can 367 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 1: indeed restructure the Department of Education. You can, indeed, let 368 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: go a small percentage of the giant number of bureaucrats 369 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: we work within it, not working on students educations at all. 370 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: By the way, that's not what they do, that's not 371 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: their job. So these are really big deals. 372 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's not forget yesterday, just yesterday, since cast 373 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,159 Speaker 2: the tie breaking vote to move forward a nine point 374 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 2: four billion dollar Recisions package, which would defund PBS and NPR, 375 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 2: among many many other Dolge priorities. 376 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: Three Republicans voted against it, which made no sense to me. 377 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,880 Speaker 2: Hey, and that is huge, that's huge. Elon Musk, come back. 378 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 2: They're doing what you asked for. 379 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: Can I note? Also, and this is a bit of 380 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: a one eighty for me, who was I was very 381 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: concerned about Trump's NATO rhetoric back in the day, right 382 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: two fifteen sixteen, He's saying I don't know about Article five, 383 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: I don't know about defending all these people, because he 384 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: is more of a strained restrainer foreign policy guy. And 385 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: it made me nervous. Yeah, and then in two this week, 386 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: the Secretary General of NATO is in town, Mark Ruta, who, 387 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: by the way, kind of a looker, really tall, drink 388 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: of water. That guy. He ran into him as special 389 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: report this week, so I think I ran into no, no, no, 390 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 1: So he was in town. They do the Oval Office presentation, 391 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: and he has I just went back in time and 392 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: read some of the coverage from twenty eighteen when Trump 393 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: was first engaging with NATO, and it's all so hysterical 394 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: about what's going to happen. To NATO and how he's 395 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: going to weaken NATO and how he's going to ruin 396 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: this huge alliance. Right that asking these countries to pledge 397 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: two percent is unthinkable was the word used, right, And 398 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: Europe's gonna hate us, Okay. At the time, five of 399 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: the countries in NATO were contributing two percent of their 400 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: GDP to defense. Not only have they hit the two 401 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,959 Speaker 1: percent mark in the world since Donald Trump started suggesting this, 402 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: but now all but one have pledged to get to 403 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: five percent. 404 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: So it didn't destroy our relationship with them, No, And. 405 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 1: Actually I would argue it's quite clear that NATO is 406 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 1: stronger now with all of the nations contributing more than 407 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: it would have been had it stayed as it was 408 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. And like, that is a turnaround that 409 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 1: he will not get enough credit for. But it's pretty amazing. 410 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: And Secretary General Mark Rute is smart enough to say 411 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: he helped us make this happen. Russia helped too by 412 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: being a giant a whole, all right, but he helped us 413 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: make this happen. And it's good for alliances, it's good 414 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,479 Speaker 1: for the Western world, and that is a pretty impressive turnaround. 415 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: Since twenty eighteen. 416 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 2: Did you envision on normally that we would be like, 417 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: oh my god, Donald Trump's doing all this amazing stuff, 418 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 2: and conservatives, other conservatives like his MAGA people are not 419 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 2: giving him any credit for it, Like I didn't see 420 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 2: this coming. 421 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: He just people ignore these giant things. Yeah, and I'm like, 422 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 1: do y'all remember the first term? Do you remember? 423 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? Donald Trump absolutely crushing it. We love to see it. 424 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: Let's take a short break and we'll come back and 425 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: tell you how not to destroy your relationship with your 426 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 2: family over politics. You're right back on normally. Welcome back 427 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: on normally. We here at normally do not think that 428 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: politics should destroy family relationships. It's kind of an easy call. However, 429 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 2: for some reason, people don't make the same one as us. 430 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 3: Why is that, Mary Catherine? 431 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they're writing about it in the New York Times, 432 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: which is to us. There's an hotbed this week that 433 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: it explicates some of this. It is entitled is it 434 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: Time to Stop Snubbing your right wing family? Written maybe 435 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: by David Litt, who is an author and was a 436 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: speech writer for Obama. And let's just lay out the 437 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: characters in this hotbed. One is David Litt, who hasn't 438 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: he This is how he describes himself. I was one 439 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: of President Obama's speech writers and had an Ivy League degree. 440 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: This is Matt Kapler, his brother in law, who he 441 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: met in twenty twelve. He was a huge Joe Rogan 442 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: fan and went on to get his electricians license. Okay, 443 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: all right, so this is his brother in Law's his 444 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: wife's little brother. Yeah. Around the pandemic, he just decides 445 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: this guy wasn't willing to get vaccinated, and I therefore 446 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: am not going to hang out with him anymore. I'm 447 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: not going to talk to him. I'm not even going 448 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: to be polite to him. And this is what he admits. 449 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: My frostiness wasn't personal, it was strategic. Being unfriendly to 450 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: people who turned down the vaccine felt like the right 451 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: thing to do. How else could we motivate them to 452 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 1: mend their ways. Even cites historical examples of shunning from 453 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: society and puts himself weirdly on the side of the 454 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: anti hester Prenne society in the scarlet letter. He's like, 455 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: the whole point of hester Pren's scarlet letter was to 456 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: show she had violated norms. Is that what we're doing now. 457 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 2: Right, right, I kind of saw her as the hero 458 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 2: of that story. 459 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: I think he missed the point in literature class. This 460 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: guy's a jerk, and he's writing about it in the 461 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: New York Times. 462 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is something that people like him think 463 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: that they're the good guy. He talks about how as 464 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 2: it was on the rare and always outdoor occasions. Of course, 465 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 2: always outdoor because the dirty, dirty relative wasn't vaccinated. 466 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm ad living that. 467 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: And when we saw each other, I spoke in disapproving snippets. 468 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 3: Work's been good. I would never talk to that person again. 469 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 2: I know, I know this is, you know, a segment 470 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: about be good to your family, even among politics. 471 00:23:58,600 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be good to people who 472 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: are a holes to me. 473 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 2: And that's really on the you know, on his brother 474 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 2: in law, Matt, still accepting him, still going surfing with him, 475 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 2: still finding a way to be okay with him, find 476 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: that Matt is the person I'd want to be friends 477 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 2: with in the story and not oh death, David. 478 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 1: Matt the surfer sounds like a lovely person, right, And 479 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: also fixing my electricity is a more useful skill than 480 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: writing a New York Times up ed and I say 481 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,159 Speaker 1: that as somebody who writes out that the thing is 482 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: and this is what Litt believes. He has taken this 483 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:38,239 Speaker 1: man's political actions and actions outside of the family and 484 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 1: turned them into well, he's being a jerk to me, right, 485 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: And this is how he expresses it. He doesn't apply 486 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: it like he's This is not a personal interaction they're 487 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: having again, he's only seeing him outside. And by the way, 488 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: the vastly didn't protect you from getting it or passing 489 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: it anyway. I'm not sure if David knows that now. 490 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 3: I don't know. Has it been in the New York 491 00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: Times yet? 492 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: Who knows? But don't use this kind of stuff to 493 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: justify your bad behavior and then congratulate yourself still for 494 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 1: being the good guy. By the way, he comes to 495 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: this great conclusion, which is the one that we always 496 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: teach a little late to the party. Here he says 497 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 1: they become surf buddies because honestly, he's selfish and he 498 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: needs somebody to surf with, and Matt's the only person 499 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: he knows that he can surf with. And he says 500 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: that they look they made connections over things other than politics. 501 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: So weird. And then he adds this, and I just 502 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 1: want to say, Matt is a very good person. He 503 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: says it helped that in the ocean are places in 504 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: the pecking order reversed. Matt's a very good surfer. One 505 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 1: might call him an elite and I am not. According 506 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: to surfing's unwritten rules. He had the right to look 507 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: down on me, but he never did. His generosity of 508 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: spirit in the water made me rethink my own behavior 509 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 1: on land. Matt, you're a really good dude. 510 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 511 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 1: Is Matt looking to be set up? Do we have 512 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: some friends for Matt? 513 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 2: Right? 514 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,639 Speaker 3: Do we know if he's single? We don't. Let's play. 515 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 2: I have a little comedian clip from gian Marco Sesi 516 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: talking about how he's a progressive but he finds his 517 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 2: conservative friend to be a really good person. 518 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 3: Let's roll that I have progressive. 519 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 4: Views, but that doesn't mean I'm a good person. Liberals 520 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 4: make that mistakes sometimes. I have a more conservative friend, 521 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 4: and you know he has views that really he's one 522 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 4: of those guys, and we all know those guys who's 523 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 4: like you see this article, a trans woman played volleyball, 524 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 4: made a little girl. 525 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 3: And I can't stay on that ship. 526 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 4: Because the kind of guys that complain about trans women 527 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 4: playing women's sports are same kind of guys that whole 528 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 4: guys like me in high school. You run like a girl, 529 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 4: you throw like a girl. And now they're mad because 530 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 4: some of us followed through. But I will say in 531 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 4: his defense, he is a wonderful human being, better than 532 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 4: I could ever imagine being. I'll tell you a story 533 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 4: once me and my conservative friend walking on the street 534 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 4: in New York City. In front of us was walking 535 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 4: a woman in very high heels. As far as I 536 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 4: could tell, she was trans. Now, at some point, this 537 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 4: woman she tripped on her right heel. She fell into 538 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,399 Speaker 4: the street right as a bus was approaching, and my 539 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 4: conservative friend ran into the street, scooped her up just 540 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 4: in the nick of time, helped her on her feet, 541 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 4: send her about her way, And then he turned to 542 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 4: me and was like, that's why men shouldn't wear heels. 543 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,320 Speaker 4: It was a lot of things, and I want to 544 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 4: be clear, I didn't a city. 545 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 2: Thing to do. 546 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 4: But if I'd been alone, I would have been like. 547 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 3: Oh no, she's dead. Yeah. 548 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 2: I enjoyed that because look, yeah the comedian would have, 549 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 2: you know, gendered her how she wanted to you know, 550 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 2: the trans person wanted to be gendered. The conservative friend 551 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,719 Speaker 2: took action and saved the person. 552 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: So I think that is symbolic. There is a sort 553 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: of a material physical support for you that in these 554 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: friendships conservatives will give and they'll stick around and they'll 555 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: be more forgiving. And by the way, this is not 556 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: just me making stuff up. Like every polling, every survey 557 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: shows that Democrats are more will democrats and liberals and 558 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: are willing to break friendships over politics, and that they 559 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: have fewer of those friendships to begin with. And I 560 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: do think it's just a totally different approach to other humans, 561 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: where you're just taking this one thing and making it everything, 562 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: and I don't think it makes for happy people or 563 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: happy relationships. 564 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 3: I agree. 565 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to wrap this up with how's Matt still 566 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: going to be friends with him? 567 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 2: I know after this piece? If think he wrote two pieces, 568 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 2: he wrote one for the Free Press. Also, I mean 569 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 2: this is beat now, yeah, this is I'm going to 570 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 2: wrap it up with David Lit's last paragraph where he 571 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 2: wants to let the Libs know, don't worry. 572 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 3: I still hate a lot of them. I just don't 573 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 3: brother in law. 574 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: Of course, he. 575 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: Writes, there are, of course, some people so committed to 576 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 2: odiousness that it defines them. 577 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 3: If Stephen Miller wants a surf lesson, I'll decline. But 578 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 3: are most people like that? In an age when banishment backfires? 579 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 2: Keeping the door open to Kely friendship isn't the betrayal 580 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 2: of principle, it's an. 581 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 3: Affirmation of them. 582 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 2: Dude, you would also find common ground with Stephen Miller. 583 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: I know, I know how crazy that sounds, but it's true. 584 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 2: Stephen Miller is a human who has also human interests, 585 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 2: and he may also like surfing, and you may also 586 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: be able to connect with him over at. 587 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 3: Amazing Amazing Stuff. 588 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on Normally. 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