WEBVTT - How much will the Twins sell? 0:00:03.240 --> 0:00:06.080 Hey, We've got Aaron Gleaming from The Athletic, also from 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:09.200 the Smoking Hot Gleaming and The Geek podcast joining us 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:11.280 right now to talk twins. Aaron, great to have you 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.240 on and we've been waiting for this moment to cover 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:16.840 the Chris Paddock trade to the Tigers. We love a 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.279 good al Central trade. So how you doing and what 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:20.040 did you think of the deal? 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.119 I'm just glad I didn't wear a hat backwards or 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.439 forwards for this, and I have no writing in the 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:28.040 background here for me, so I think I'm safe and 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.200 that aj I think you look good and I'm jealous 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:32.920 of your hair, so however you want to wear it on? 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:34.519 Gleam it? What is that thing behind you? 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:34.720 Like? 0:00:35.159 --> 0:00:35.840 My eyes are bad? 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:38.080 Now's today? 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:38.720 Now? 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:41.320 I might have got yourself in It's a It's like 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:41.599 a cow. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:43.040 What is that like? Morrise code. 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.200 This is a man using his girlfriend's office and has 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:53.880 no idea what the artwork is so and maybe likely 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.360 afraid to comment on it because she might hear this later. 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:57.800 So I'm just gonna sit this one out. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:00.959 There's a picture of you. Is that you two over 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.200 your shots? Because you would never have that in your office? 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.280 Yeah, I don't have an office. Yeah, true love. 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:11.240 Yes, all right, So here's the question, what are the 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.800 twins gonna do? I already asked him a question. He 0:01:13.800 --> 0:01:15.840 didn't answer my next question. 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.640 No, I mean I was dodging. I was dodging the question. 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:20.039 Uh. 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.880 I think we're gonna see pretty much. That was the 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:24.840 start of I think what they're gonna do, which is 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:27.679 Paddock is one of or one was one of six 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.959 impending for agents that they had. I think he was probably, 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.160 you know, third or fourth most valuable in that group. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.679 You know, Harrison Bader, Willie Castro, Danny cool Ohm, and 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:38.920 then Paddock they traded, and then they also have Christian 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:42.160 Vasquez at catcher and then Ty France. You know, I 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.720 think they're still sort of in the wild card mix. 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:47.919 I mean, they're playoff odds are like ten or fifteen percent. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.680 But I think the Paddock deal, doing it so early 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:52.680 in the week, three days out from the deadline, I 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:56.400 think signals they're gonna trade all of the impending for 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.360 agents that they can get some kind of value for. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:00.880 And you know, not that Paddock had Hue value or anything, 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.680 but they dumped a bunch of salary. I think four 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:05.680 and a half million, which I know that doesn't really 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.280 mean anything except to the pole AADs the owners, but 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.560 I think that was part of the equation with that trade. 0:02:10.560 --> 0:02:13.040 And then they got a catching prospect back who seems 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.200 like a decent nineteen year old catcher prospect from the Tigers. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:17.880 But I would expect kind of that to be the 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.640 first step with a bunch of very similar moves the 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:23.000 rest of the rest of the next couple of days. 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.520 So are we talking Duran, are we talking Jacks? Are 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.480 we talking Castro? Or are we talking who? I mean? 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.960 Are they going to go all in and just dismantle 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:33.160 and start over? And then if they do do that, 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:35.639 how does Carlos Korea feel about that? Byron Buckson feel 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:38.520 about that? Because these guys signed these long term deals 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.079 and now they're kind of stuck. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.519 Yeah, I mean, I think I wouldn't rule out them 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.560 trading Doran Jacks somebody like that, even maybe Brock Stewart 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.880 relievers who have two or three more years of team control. 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.600 But I think they're in a position where they would 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.760 need to kind of be blown away to accept one 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.400 of those offers. I'm not saying they wouldn't do it 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.920 or that that might not happen, but I think they're focused. 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:03.720 He's gonna be you mentioned Castrow. I think he's definitely 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.520 gonna be traded. I think Harrison Bader is definitely gonna 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.959 get traded. I think they'll probably find a small deal 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.040 for Danny Coulom, who can just be a second lefty, 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:14.760 and some contenders bullpen if they get blown away in 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.000 a offer for a non impending free agent like some 0:03:17.040 --> 0:03:18.960 of the names you mentioned, I do think they're somewhat 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.120 open to it. But then the other thing, we couldn't 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:23.440 Every time I'm on we talk ownership to some degree 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:26.200 with the Twins, and I think the uncertainty of we're 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:28.600 now nine or ten months in to the Twins having 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:30.919 the team for sale and they haven't actually sold it, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:33.160 it's difficult, I think for the front office to know 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:34.160 what their future is. 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:36.320 So to trade somebody who has. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:38.560 A is a very good player like Jacks or Doron, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.080 but also his team controlled not just this season, not 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.360 just next season, but twenty twenty seven, I think that 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.040 is a big leap for a front office and an 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:49.120 ownership group that is sort of in flux right now. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.920 Does that give not no hope because they're still exciting players, 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.600 but Twins fans like, oh great, we're just gonna get 0:03:56.680 --> 0:04:00.800 a bunch of six, six more one year rentals offseason 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:06.119 because there's no ownership drive or motivation or even direction. 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.040 If that's how this trade deadline goes. To me, if 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.000 I were Twins fans, I would be more excited if 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.200 we got rid of a Griffin Jacks because of the return, 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:19.479 because of what that could potentially be. But it could 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:24.160 be another missing trade deadline or missing off season because 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.680 ownership situation just is still in flux. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.320 Yeah, I mean, all that is definitely true. I agree 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:31.760 with all that, and I mean it is a very 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:35.320 frustrating low morale time last couple of years, basically since 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:38.080 the end of twenty twenty three for Twins fans, payroll 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:40.960 got cut, team has been underwhelming, all sorts of that stuff. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:43.240 Like you mentioned, You know, I do think that it 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:45.760 is viable if you get a great offer, especially for 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.359 a relief pitcher. I mean, we know even the best 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:51.080 relievers sometimes have a pretty short shelf life, you know, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.320 they kind of burn bright, fade away a little bit. 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:56.479 And if you can get multiple building block type of 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.160 young players for a reliever, even if they are a 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.120 reliever with two more years of team control. I do 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:04.160 think that's something you can consider. But also, if I'm 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.960 this front office and I don't know that I'm even 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.679 going to be around next year, let alone twenty twenty seven, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.000 because first of all, if new owners come in at 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.880 some point, which obviously Twins fans are hoping for, they 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:17.680 might bring in their own people to begin with. That 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.400 happens a lot, and regardless of that, the Twins are 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.159 about to miss the playoffs for the fourth time in 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.200 five years, So I think it's fair to question the 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:27.719 performance of this regime anyway, which has been in place 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.320 since twenty seventeen. So I definitely agree that depending on 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:33.120 the quality of the offers you're getting, and the fact 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.159 that Class A just got taken off the market too, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.360 could potentially lead to bigger and better offers for Deron 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:41.039 and Jackson and Stuart from the Twins perspective, so I 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.080 definitely think they're smart to listen, and for that matter, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.200 if you want to listen on Joe Ryan too. I mean, 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.560 I'm not against listening, like, let someone try to go 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.760 crazy and make you an offer, but I do think 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:53.560 that the front office might feel like, do we want 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:56.480 to enter into another rebuild or even a you know, 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.320 step back, where it's not going to be good here 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:00.280 for a couple of years. 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You can secure your 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:03.599 digital world right now. 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.880 Derek Falvey's in charge, he's been in charge. They lost 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:07.680 that levine. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:10.960 But how handcuffed are they? How much are their hands 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:14.080 tied by this ownership. I don't want to call it 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.520 a problem, but ownership selling. We're not selling. We might 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.400 sell if we sell. Joe Pollott still has to be 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.400 part of the ownership group. Like, how handcuffed is Derek 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.640 Falve with this team in the payroll and the trades 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:28.760 he's actually allowed to make. 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.160 I mean, we've seen you mentioned it the last two 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.440 deadlines when they were in a position to be buyers, 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.840 like clear buyers. I think two years ago they were 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.720 in first place at the deadline. Last year they were 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.120 in the first wild card. Their playoff odds at the 0:07:41.120 --> 0:07:43.600 deadline in the past couple years were like seventy something percent. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.120 Now it's ten percent. And they didn't do anything. I mean, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.920 they brought in like a middle reliever each time and 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:49.960 then ended up cutting that guy before the end of 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:52.200 the season. And I think a lot of that was 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.440 their overall lack of aggression as a front office but 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:57.320 it gets also back to what you just said, which 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.480 is they didn't have any money to add anybody, and 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.640 any deal they were going to have to make in 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.679 the last two years would have to involve the selling 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:06.880 team eating a bunch of money, which is going to 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.960 cost you more prospects from the Twins point of view, 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:11.360 or would have to involve money coming in and money 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.960 going out major league from major league deal, which that's 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:15.880 a very tough needle to threat all the time. I 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.920 think this time around, any trade they make is going 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:20.640 to be shedding money. They already shed four and a 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.320 half million with the Paddock deal because they included Randy 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.760 Dobnick's contract in there too. You know, if they end 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.960 up trading the three or four other names that I mentioned, Castro, Bator, Koulom, 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:33.400 et cetera, that's they're going to shed over ten million dollars. 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:33.680 Now. 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.840 Am I confident that money will ever be reinvested in 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:37.840 the team on the field. 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:38.600 Absolutely not. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.520 I've been covering the Twins way too long to know that, 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.280 But you know, it is, I think a factor. 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:45.280 But then the thing you have. 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.880 To worry about, would they get better prospects, Let's say, 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.559 for Chris Paddock, and I think they got a decent 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:53.520 prospect in Rique Amenez is a decent prospect. But could 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:55.640 they got could they have gotten a higher level of 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:58.280 prospect or maybe a second decent prospect if they would 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.320 have eaten four and a half million dollars or three 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.440 million dollars in that deal instead of having the Tigers 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.079 take it all on. And so I think that's another 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.920 example of Yes, the payroll has been slash since twenty 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.760 twenty three. Yes, the front office's hands are tied, but 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:14.360 even in a selling position, not you know, trying to 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:17.600 maximize the money saved could hurt the return you're getting 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:18.440 on some of these deals. 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:23.720 As the All Start game Byron Buckston absolutely squashed any 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.679 any decisions or talk about getting traded. He said, I 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:31.679 have a no trade class. I love Minnesota. Is that 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.800 good for the Twins? Is that good? Yes? Oh man, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:37.280 I get to keep my jersey for another you know, 0:09:37.840 --> 0:09:40.840 count of years. But you also sit there and you go, 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:44.200 Byron Buxton, you kind of want to go somewhere that 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.839 you know, may want to be investing in the team 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:48.840 or is it just a it's just just a hey, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.400 that's neat Midwest Baseball Pool we get to keep Byron Buxton. 0:09:53.200 --> 0:09:53.960 There's a little of that. 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.200 I will tell you that probably, like many flyover states, 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.280 the people of Minnesota, and I'm a lifelong Minnesota little 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:04.320 chip on everybody's shoulder because stars often leave here. Very 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.040 rarely do non home to going stars talk the way 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.880 that you just describe Buckston talking how he said Minnesota's home. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:12.520 I don't want to leave. I want to retire here, 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.559 on and on. And he didn't just say that the 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:17.280 All Star Game. He's been very consistent about that since 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.000 he signed his extension a few years ago and demanded 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.640 a no trade clause. Not because you know some players 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.240 get a no trade clause and they figure, well, I 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.040 can get a little more money or leverage out of 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:28.560 this if the time comes that they want to trade me. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.760 I think Buckston just got it. He doesn't want to 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:32.559 go anywhere. He's got three kids and a wife. They 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.360 like it here. He's comfortable with the Twins. They drafted him, 0:10:35.360 --> 0:10:38.440 they developed them, and yes, could he get traded to 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:41.600 a contending team and maybe make a playoff run this year. Sure, 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.319 But also, if you're a Twins fan, you want the 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:46.800 players to believe it's not ten years away, right, Like, 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:49.760 no matter how bad this season has been and how 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:53.120 frustrating last season's collapse was, you do want Buston to 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:55.400 believe deep down we could make a run at it 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:56.720 next year. We can make a run out of it 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.640 in twenty twenty seven. And I do think they have 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.040 some of the pieces in place, which is why you know, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.400 trading Joe Ryan or trading Deron is a tougher decision 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.040 than it would be I think for a lot of 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:09.439 selling teams. But in general, I think it's a good 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:11.599 thing for the people of Minnesota to have a superstar 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:14.600 player who is a good dude and a good player 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:17.200 on the field, who actually enjoys being here and is 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:18.679 making it clear he wants to be here. And I 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.079 know everyone will go well, but they could trade Buxton 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:22.440 and they could get some massive haul. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.199 Okay, you get two prospects, maybe five years. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.280 From now, one of them is half as good as 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:28.480 Byron Buckston. Like, I do think there's a little bit 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.680 of a myth of a rebuild, and I mean the 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.280 Twins have gone through rebuilds where you come out after 0:11:33.320 --> 0:11:35.360 five years of being terrible, you win a couple of 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.559 division titles and then that's all you get, that's sort 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:40.240 of where they're at now. So I think in general, 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:43.160 I like the comments Buxton said, and it's also just 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:46.040 consistent with what he said the last two or three years. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.320 Oh, I just want to stop you there. I came 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:51.200 up with the Twins. I never wanted to leave. 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:53.200 There was a lot of guys that were that I 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.520 came up with that didn't want to leave, and they 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.960 either got traded away or pushed out. So I don't 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.000 I don't agree with kind what you just said. Like, 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.440 there's a lot of people that I played with the 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:04.600 Minnesota that wanted to stay there their whole career. Like 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.360 I was traded, you know, Mikhayevich, he wanted to stay, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.680 he was traded. There's a ton of guys Tory Hunter 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:11.160 left is a free agent. He got paid and they 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:12.920 were never gonna pay him. But there was a lot 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.000 of guys, trust me, that wanted to stay. I loved 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.400 my time in Minnesota, So don't just say like, no, 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.120 I love but there. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:23.200 I think that's a good point actually, because he got paid, 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:26.320 Like he got a six year, ninety million total one 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.360 hundred million total, because he had one more year of 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.800 arbitration and at the time, he was even more injured 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:32.320 than he's been the. 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:33.040 Last couple of years. 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.600 So he took sort of a fifteen million dollars a year, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.920 which is not all star level money, but there was 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.280 the injury risk built in there, and so that is 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.600 one of the biggest extensions the Twins have ever given out. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.120 And like you said, you had plenty of very good 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:48.000 young players who were in position to get extensions in 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:50.240 the early to mid you know, two thousands, and the 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:52.680 Twins just really didn't spend any money at that point. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.720 And they don't spend now, but they really didn't spend 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.320 back then. And so I definitely see what you're saying 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.520 that a lot of Twins stars or borderlines our players 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:03.200 were traded away in past years. They had no choice. 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:05.640 He's one of the few that's gotten paid. And I think, 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.560 you know, if this was a past regime or he 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.240 came up with you at the time, like you said, 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.840 when Tory Hunter, you know, he probably would. 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:12.920 Have left already for free agency. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:14.440 And I think it's it's a little bit of a 0:13:14.480 --> 0:13:17.560 different situation just because he did actually get the extension 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.679 that a lot of guys on the teams that you're 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.320 talking about which was a much more successful era and 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:25.200 had all kinds of homegrown star guys. But they didn't 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:28.600 really pay anybody, including you know, Tory Hunter, including Johann Santana, 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:29.400 all kinds of. 0:13:31.840 --> 0:13:32.600 Kadaire more. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.080 No, they all walked away, right, Yeah, they kind of 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:37.760 let where Chees go. 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.760 Yeah, that one they let Artis go for nothing, because. 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.520 Two million, two million bucks is what they would have 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.439 had to pay David Ortis for the season that they 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:45.839 cut him. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:47.880 That is even for the twins. That's not much. 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.280 Yeah, it's not like they couldn't afford him, they just didn't. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.720 Well anyway, they thought they had other guys coming. They 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.320 didn't like it was one of them. And also they 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:57.800 didn't love back then, they didn't love Hunter. Strikeout. 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:00.320 David struck out all right, right, so they we didn't 0:14:00.320 --> 0:14:01.800 love that. We were told, you know, you don't strike 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:04.240 out one hundred times. Well, now one hundred strikeouts is 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:04.959 a great year. 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:05.559 For most of the guys. 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:07.920 Yeah, no, you only struck out one hundred times. You're 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.000 you're Luisa Rise, he's a contact. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.920 Yes, seriously, game has changed, all right, So I'll finish 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.839 the way we started. What are the Tigers getting in 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:21.000 Chris Paddock because apparently some other insiders were saying that 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.760 teams like the Rays were in on Paddock. That's according 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.680 to John Hayman. All of that one's kind of interesting 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:27.280 because I thought the Rays are selling, but maybe they're 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:30.200 buying in selling. Bob Nightingale said the Yankees were pursuing him, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.280 so clearly some teams were into Paddock. And he's always 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:36.720 had that potential, but this year's A five is gr 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.840 really bad in his last eight starts, A lot of homers. 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.640 What was going on? I think you're definitely right. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.840 I was told that they had a handful of teams interested, 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.120 which is how they ended up dumping the whole salary 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.600 and getting a decent prospect back. You know, I think 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:51.800 I've watched a lot of Chris Paddock over the last 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:55.040 three or four years, and the description you gave is right, Like, 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.160 there are starts where you watch him and the fastball 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:01.320 is ninety five plus consistently, and the changeup is good, 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.480 and he's he's pounced the strike zone and he controls 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.680 the game and you talk to him afterward and he 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.360 says all the right things and you go, Wow, this 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.200 guy is really in control of what's going on, and 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:13.840 I want to bet on him having a next you know, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.280 five starts going really well and then the next start 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:18.600 he gives up eight runs. And I think this year 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:22.000 what we saw that's even different than the frustrating aspects 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:25.000 from past years. Strikeout rate went way down. I mean, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:26.800 when he came up with the Pandres, he was a 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.640 change up pitcher whose fastball wasn't that good, but he 0:15:29.720 --> 0:15:31.720 got such swing and miss with his change up. Now 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.240 he's basically a four seam guy and works off that 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.440 and his change up in breaking ball don't even get 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.280 swings and misses. It's it's been a really weird kind 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.280 of comeback post second Tommy John surgery, the pitcher he's 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:45.600 turned into. But I think from the Tigers point of view, 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.160 I know they lost reeese Olsen for the season, so 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:51.240 I'm sure they figured, can we just sort of inexpensively 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:53.800 in terms of prospect capital fill the fourth or fifth 0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.080 spot in this rotation, because they got to figure he's 0:15:56.080 --> 0:15:58.080 not going to start a playoff game for them, but 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:00.000 they got to get to the playoffs. They can't exult 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.560 lost their bullpen. And I do think, you know, every 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:04.720 fifth day trying to get him through five innings is 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:06.880 going to be a better bet, just from a veteran 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.480 this standpoint, strike throwing standpoint, than maybe some random triple 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:13.160 A guy or some even lower wattage trade they can make. 0:16:13.520 --> 0:16:15.280 But I would be surprised if he had a big 0:16:15.320 --> 0:16:17.640 impact for the Tigers, although I will say I'm a 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.640 little bit intrigued by the idea that they could move 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.040 him to the bullpen down the stretch, maybe at preparation 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:25.360 for a multienning role in the playoffs, because when he 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.000 first came back from the second Timmy John in twenty 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.080 twenty three, the Twins did that for a handful of 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:33.440 appearances in September, and he was throwing upper nineties borderline 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:35.360 one hundred at that point. So I do think, you know, 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:37.640 fourth or fifth starter for now and then maybe shift 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.080 to the bullpen in October could be somewhat intriguing for them. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.120 I don't hate that maybe the strikeouts tick up for 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.360 him there and also the Tiger because I know he's 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.320 got the click career low k rate this year, but 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.360 the Tigers need swing and miss out of their bullpen, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:54.280 so maybe they catch fire there and make them a 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:58.040 different pitcher for October. If he's into it. Good stuff, Aaron. 0:16:58.120 --> 0:16:59.800 Good to catch up with you man. Thanks for the time. 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.200 Uh congratulations you survived. 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:03.720 A J. 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:04.520 Perzinski. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.880