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Speaker 1: it is time for mix shots on a Tuesday here
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Speaker 1: noticed it the other day the podcast podcast studio. Yes,
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Speaker 1: Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. So it hasn't
Speaker 1: been up that long, No, And it's got it. It's
Speaker 1: a it's a registered two weeks. That's better than my
Speaker 1: record at home. My wife will have a new picture
Speaker 1: on the wall or something like that that's been there
Speaker 1: two years. Oh okay, it's pretty right through the kitchen.
Speaker 1: You see what I cook for, you know. But what
Speaker 1: a great Tuesday it is. We call this victory Tuesday
Speaker 1: as well. Why not. Okay, all right, it is a
Speaker 1: victory Tuesday here at the Star in Frisco, Bill Jones
Speaker 1: with Everson Walls and Mickey Spagnola and our producers Supreme
Speaker 1: Chris Beam like that. You know when they won, when
Speaker 1: they won the third in a row, I said, well,
Speaker 1: when's the last time they won three in a row? Well,
Speaker 1: they did it last year. We just don't remember. Yeah,
Speaker 1: towards the end of the season. That's after we had
Speaker 1: checked out some good defense at the end of the season.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was twenty nineteen. Yeah, we actually did. And
Speaker 1: so that was a Everson's alarm going off as just
Speaker 1: to remind him he needs to show up for ya.
Speaker 1: As Mickey goes to his media guy trying to confirm
Speaker 1: exactly what it is he just said, and three in
Speaker 1: a row, three in a row last Nattie, San Francisco
Speaker 1: and Philadelphia. How many backup quarterbacks were there that they
Speaker 1: played against during that show and that stretch, Well, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Nattie for sure, San Francisco Garoppolo was out, let's go
Speaker 1: with it. And then Paradelphia started hurts, but he was
Speaker 1: the starter. He wasn't at the backup, but he was
Speaker 1: originally the backup. But we forget at the end of
Speaker 1: the season last year, like three in a bow. We
Speaker 1: played some good defense last and you got to take
Speaker 1: away that set the tone for the takeaways this year.
Speaker 1: But what was the defensive coat. I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know you know, Dick soon, Dick Soon is back there.
Speaker 1: You know, Mike is like, what happened to me? Just
Speaker 1: looking at me? Is the bad guy? The wicked witch? Now?
Speaker 1: It just didn't have time enough to turn it around. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right. I ended yesterday's show talking about the play,
Speaker 1: the option pitch Zeke to Tony Pollard. Yes, that clinched
Speaker 1: the victory on Sunday, And it wasn't the first time
Speaker 1: in Cowboys history that they in fact had a game
Speaker 1: winning play against the Carolina Panthers the same play. It
Speaker 1: was two thousand and three, they did the same thing.
Speaker 1: It was in the fourth quarter of a it was
Speaker 1: a seventeen seventeen game at the time, and Richie Anderson
Speaker 1: with a pitch to Avion Cason's sixteen yards for the
Speaker 1: go ahead. But but what what Okay, you missed one
Speaker 1: from last year? A second you get that not against
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. Wasn't No, not against That's the that's
Speaker 1: the crazy thing about it. It was exactly against the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers. And Chris Beam, our producers Supreme claims that
Speaker 1: he remembers that play in two thousand, so he found
Speaker 1: it right. Well, he may not have found it, but
Speaker 1: but he he says, he says he remembers that play,
Speaker 1: and don't you Chris Beam? I do, yeah. And so
Speaker 1: where was the game played? It was at Texas Stadium
Speaker 1: now when he was in here earlier, he said it
Speaker 1: was played at Carolina. Okay, I think about it because
Speaker 1: we played We played Carolina that year in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: In the playoffs that tried Carolina, that tried the first game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the November meeting. And and Carolina had a
Speaker 1: very good team obviously that year. They went to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl that year they were eight and two, came
Speaker 1: into Texas Stadium. It was the Sunday before Thanksgiving. And
Speaker 1: what do you remember about that play? Chris Beam? I
Speaker 1: told Bill, I said, I remember is is they were
Speaker 1: the play ran towards our sideline. We were going on
Speaker 1: your broadcast. We're going left to right and Bill said,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this on the air. Still yeah, we're
Speaker 1: not having this conversation. Now, we're gonna have this conversation
Speaker 1: on the air. We're not gonna waste it. We're not
Speaker 1: gonna waste it before we get on the air. And
Speaker 1: Chris Beam, I am here to tell you you are
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. I think you do remember it. It was
Speaker 1: left to right on your radio dial. It was a
Speaker 1: and the play instead of this one went to the right,
Speaker 1: of course, and that one went to the left from
Speaker 1: Richie Anderson pitching to Avon Cason. Now Mickey is dying
Speaker 1: to fill us in on something eighteen years ago. It
Speaker 1: was eighteen years ago too. They unearthed it and said, oh,
Speaker 1: look at that play, and I think they probably did
Speaker 1: not unearth it. Then, No, they didn't because Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: spoiled your eighteen year history because he pointed out that
Speaker 1: they ran that play last year against Minnesota only Zeke
Speaker 1: pitched it to Cede Lamb was lined up in the backfield.
Speaker 1: So they they kind of went back to something that
Speaker 1: they felt like and they could, you know. And he
Speaker 1: was pretty good about explaining why they they called it.
Speaker 1: He said, they were loading up the box and we
Speaker 1: decided if we have an open edge, then we'll take
Speaker 1: the opportunity, and he said, we feel very comfortable of
Speaker 1: putting the ball in the hands of Zeke and Tony's
Speaker 1: and they make good decisions because Zeke has to decide, right,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of handoffs. I'm keeping, not just hand
Speaker 1: but pitches, right, I gotta keep it. Do I run
Speaker 1: or do I pitch it right away? And and it worked.
Speaker 1: They pitched. If that's like if that's like the last
Speaker 1: play of the game, or you do a die shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a tough call, right because you know you gotta
Speaker 1: take it. You gotta pitch it to him and got
Speaker 1: to pitch it. That's a lot of stuff going on.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about even in that situation, Okay, two
Speaker 1: minutes left, you got the game in hand, it's an
Speaker 1: eight point lead. I mean, what if that defensive end
Speaker 1: bats that ball away and then get a loose football
Speaker 1: and they scoop and score and we'd be dogging kellamore
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, what are your calls up? Like that?
Speaker 1: Feel much stuff going on over the place. Shout us
Speaker 1: for the two point conversion. There you go, yde it again.
Speaker 1: I think we will and I don't know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do just like Kansas City, does you know?
Speaker 1: Mahomes gets down there with a shovel pass and all
Speaker 1: of that, and then this time, instead of getting it
Speaker 1: too Kelsey, he pitched it. He went, he didn't go
Speaker 1: like this, Kelsey went that way. Here comes another running back.
Speaker 1: I guess he had come from the other side of
Speaker 1: the ball, and he gets kind of pitches the two
Speaker 1: of him underhand, and so you have to deviate because
Speaker 1: now everyone's going to be looking for that particular play.
Speaker 1: So the other play that Kellen Moore talked about was
Speaker 1: the touchdown pass to Marie Cooper, and they were asking him,
Speaker 1: you know, you made some adjustments and you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I think he thought maybe they drew up
Speaker 1: a fancy play at halftime, and he pointed out that
Speaker 1: it was basically the same play in a different direction
Speaker 1: that they had against the Chargers. You remember the play
Speaker 1: that and Tony Romo saw it right away. He threw
Speaker 1: a pass over the middle of twenty yards to I
Speaker 1: believe it was Blake Jarman and Marie Cooper on the
Speaker 1: far left was five yards behind the dB right. And
Speaker 1: so he pointed out that you know, sometimes the quarterback.
Speaker 1: He sees he's got Amari right, but he sees also
Speaker 1: the guys wide open over the middle with his hands
Speaker 1: up in the air, like throw me the ball, and
Speaker 1: your instinct is okay, I'm going there brief So this
Speaker 1: time they motioned Cooper from left to right and he
Speaker 1: looks over the middle and Dalton Schultz same thing, twenty
Speaker 1: yards down the field, wide open, and he held it
Speaker 1: and held it until Amari made the turn. I went
Speaker 1: back and looked at it. He threw the ball when
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper was on the twenty yard line and he
Speaker 1: caught it at the goal line and he saw he
Speaker 1: had a step and it was like and dec I
Speaker 1: think said it to him because he told Amari, okay,
Speaker 1: I owe you one. So he would said, okay, there's
Speaker 1: the one I owe you, mister hamstring. But it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how these these plays kind of come back.
Speaker 1: And then the quarterback says, Okay, that's what happened last time.
Speaker 1: Let's see what happens this time. And we talked it
Speaker 1: about yesterday. We dropped it in the bucket. Yeah. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: you can talk about finding and looking and all that,
Speaker 1: but for the play, to actually happen. Yeah, to drop
Speaker 1: it in there like that, and for Cooper to just
Speaker 1: get that shoulder, you know, get the leverage on that
Speaker 1: defensive back just enough to where he could hold him
Speaker 1: off because the dB could have actually caught up with him.
Speaker 1: But that's what good wide receivers do. He was one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the dB when he put him in position to dodge,
Speaker 1: because once the ball was almost there, they give a
Speaker 1: little resistance and then they take it away. Drew Pierson
Speaker 1: did that to me all the time in practice. He's
Speaker 1: gonna shield you. He's gonna use his body. It's not
Speaker 1: just about going up and catching the ball. It's stopping you,
Speaker 1: the defender, from making the player on the ball as well.
Speaker 1: He did that to me in a charity game. Who
Speaker 1: do you think is the easiest defender Drew Pearson ever
Speaker 1: went up against? Oh, we're looking at it. This is
Speaker 1: new knowledge, I would have said me. But now the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, they scored a touchdown on us, uh
Speaker 1: to cut the lead to like one touchdown or less
Speaker 1: than a touchdown, and uh they went for two. Well
Speaker 1: they had to go for two. There was no kicking
Speaker 1: right and Rogers was thrown to Drew. Of course I
Speaker 1: knocked that ball, yes, I did. Okay, So when they
Speaker 1: got the ball back, I didn't. I was young, right,
Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that this is a setup. They
Speaker 1: got to win, right, and the last pass is going
Speaker 1: to go to Drew, and so we light we light
Speaker 1: up up and they the guy that's in charge of
Speaker 1: our touch football, so don't move. No, he said, go
Speaker 1: cover Drew, and I said, okay, So I go out.
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure. Yeah. No, wait, it's worse.
Speaker 1: It's worse than now, So I go out and now
Speaker 1: there's no safety. Everybody's at the light of scrimmage, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were, so we he I ran with him to
Speaker 1: the goal line and the ball's coming and it's getting
Speaker 1: bigger and bigger, and I'm getting ready to go up
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I feel this big hand
Speaker 1: come on my shoulder and pushed me down so he
Speaker 1: can catch the ball and spike it. We win. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there was a set up. The ball was getting bigger
Speaker 1: and bigger, yes it was, and Micky was getting smaller
Speaker 1: and smaller. Foller, your chances were getting smaller and smaller,
Speaker 1: like they were going to get back at before that
Speaker 1: two point conversion. What game was this? It was a
Speaker 1: charity how long ago? That's the thing. Okay, I was
Speaker 1: going to say, you out there running around like that?
Speaker 1: It was? It was. It was at that football that
Speaker 1: football stadium field in Farmer's Branch. Yes, there's alows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we played out there. Yeah, that's where we go practice
Speaker 1: when when we had the rainhouts. And that's right, you did.
Speaker 1: I tried it was still. Yeah. And then when they
Speaker 1: were at the ranch later on, they went in practice
Speaker 1: at the field in Carrollton when it was bad weather.
Speaker 1: So there was a little history man memory l yeah,
Speaker 1: very I don't know if you call it history history history. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Did you play in the charity basketball games at all? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: thank god? Yeah? How about you? Oh yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: the traveling troops. I was a basketball player. No, I
Speaker 1: really wasn't a football player. I was. I hated football. Scary, scary,
Speaker 1: it's hot. You know. I had an afro at the time,
Speaker 1: and they put the head messed up my corn roles.
Speaker 1: So how many how many games would you'll play on
Speaker 1: your tour offseason? Two thirty games least thirty. I used
Speaker 1: to stay in shape, I really did. I hated lifting
Speaker 1: at the time. I loved more now than I did then.
Speaker 1: But you know how it is, I felt weight slowed
Speaker 1: me down. I didn't know any better, but you know,
Speaker 1: as I got older, I did know better. So now
Speaker 1: the basketball, tennis and swimming, jump rope, all of that
Speaker 1: stuff that was my workout. Bob Ward never saw me.
Speaker 1: Bob Ward, the late great Bob Ward never saw me,
Speaker 1: so we didn't have much of relations. That sound you
Speaker 1: sound like DD Lewis. When I was interviewing D. D
Speaker 1: Lewis for whatever we were doing, and I they asked
Speaker 1: them about the off season, and I go, so in
Speaker 1: the off season, you know how these guys work. Now,
Speaker 1: what did you do? Twelve inch curls in the swimming pool? Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: CEDD was up the old adage of I come to
Speaker 1: camp to get in shape. Yes, there is no getting
Speaker 1: in shape in the off season. As much as I was,
Speaker 1: I kind of believe that as well. The workoutside did
Speaker 1: they were fun. It was recreational. I mean, we still
Speaker 1: got got in shape because I did a lot of it,
Speaker 1: but it was mostly I used it as a mental
Speaker 1: recreation and just get away from football itself. Yeah, why
Speaker 1: not college we graduated to sixteen ounce curls and they
Speaker 1: were cheap beard too. Yeah, they needed sixteen ounces because
Speaker 1: it was the kind of they did a little man,
Speaker 1: they measured it up. So that was all the time, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: three two in Missouri only on Sunday, three two d.
Speaker 1: He couldn't get a full beer on Sunday. They switched out,
Speaker 1: Oh no way, yes they did. It was three two
Speaker 1: on Sunday in the grocery stores. Yes, that's crazy, it is.
Speaker 1: At least they sold it on Sunday. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true, because what's still doing with that now? Yeah? Right,
Speaker 1: well afternoon? Right, you know they did that in Chicago.
Speaker 1: By the way, they wouldn't sell beer at the ballparks
Speaker 1: until afternoon. So if you ever went to like a
Speaker 1: Cubs double hitter and they started like the game at noon,
Speaker 1: all the vendors would be standing at the top of
Speaker 1: the steps, and as soon as the church bell rang,
Speaker 1: they all came running down, right. And one time, one
Speaker 1: time I was there, some guys stood up and he goes,
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Speaker 1: football team is signing kicker Chris Blewett to its practice squad.
Speaker 1: Was there the worst thing for a kicker? Oh? He
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Speaker 1: it Um, Yeah, not touching it, Micky, not at all. Nicky.
Speaker 1: Jerry was on the radio this morning. He was what
Speaker 1: do you know, I'll tell us about what's what's your
Speaker 1: Jerry radio report on this Tuesday? He said, of the
Speaker 1: third quarter, I don't ever remember a better quarter than
Speaker 1: that quarter. And it was made substantive in my mind
Speaker 1: because of the quality of the team we were playing.
Speaker 1: So three touchdowns in the third quarter took over a
Speaker 1: fourteen thirteen deficit to go up thirty what was it,
Speaker 1: thirty six fourteen in three quarters. So I took that
Speaker 1: and also took that he said the offensive line, how
Speaker 1: well the offensive line is playing, And he said a
Speaker 1: great job and particularly well coached. We're going to get
Speaker 1: better on the offensive line. And he also mentioned and
Speaker 1: I think we talked about a little bit. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're trusting Terrence Steele, but they're still giving them
Speaker 1: some help. Yeah, right, kind of let him get into
Speaker 1: the game because early they were going two tight ends
Speaker 1: and they were making sure they were protecting him, unlike
Speaker 1: the Raiders did last night against Joey Boso. Right, and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, when was like I'm finally stepping out.
Speaker 1: He's so happy not to see our offense. Yeah, and exactly,
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, you know, think about what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: did with him, right, They reduced him to a pass
Speaker 1: rusher in the fourth quarter, and Steel a lot of
Speaker 1: times was out there by himself. Saw. I listened to
Speaker 1: the game last night, and as I look at what
Speaker 1: the teams do after we play them, it just lets
Speaker 1: me know, just for the fires in my head, that
Speaker 1: we are a good team. I think we are one
Speaker 1: of the better teams in the NFL right now, because
Speaker 1: as you match up against the Chargers, you can talk
Speaker 1: about the penalties they had, all that kind of crap.
Speaker 1: They had the same penalties. I think it was against
Speaker 1: the Rams, I forget who they played, same penalties the
Speaker 1: next week, but they overcame against City. They couldn't do
Speaker 1: that against us. That's because we're good, Okay, that's because
Speaker 1: we played better than Casey did, especially on the defensive end.
Speaker 1: So when I look at this team and I look
Speaker 1: at what the Chargers did last night. The Cowboys made
Speaker 1: them look I wouldn't say average, but the Cowboys made
Speaker 1: play plays against them on the defensive side, just as
Speaker 1: they did against anybody else, including against Justin Yeah, against
Speaker 1: what says a lot awfully good life says a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was good. It was good against the Cowboys, except
Speaker 1: for there were some turnovers and the Chargers defense, and
Speaker 1: that accepts that's a huge exception because he didn't just
Speaker 1: stumble into that. We baited him intoday, so we played
Speaker 1: him the way he was supposed to be played. How
Speaker 1: about the quotes Joey Bosa on car Uh, we knew
Speaker 1: once we hit him a few times he really gets shook.
Speaker 1: And you saw on Covington's sack he was pretty much
Speaker 1: curling into a ball before we even got back there.
Speaker 1: Great dude, great player, but we know once you get
Speaker 1: pressure on him, he kind of shuts down. That's pretty
Speaker 1: much everybody, you know. But what you think wild about
Speaker 1: that quote is during the same division and it's not
Speaker 1: like not lay him again. You're gonna play him again,
Speaker 1: you know, so keep that. It was somewhat critical of
Speaker 1: the officials too, wasn't he Yeah, he didn't like the
Speaker 1: was it a roughing where he ended up. He ended
Speaker 1: up getting a personal well I think he no, he
Speaker 1: argued to argue with THEE. Yeah, and he got penalized
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, And he was getting hairs. He was
Speaker 1: getting out what he said. Here's what he said about officials.
Speaker 1: The refs are blind. I'm sorry, but you're blind. Like
Speaker 1: open your eyes and do your job. It's so bad
Speaker 1: like me, do your job. He will get fined. He
Speaker 1: will get fined. Yes, you will, Well, the dark thing
Speaker 1: will so will KZ for that hit unless they that
Speaker 1: is not a good that that's a horrible call. But
Speaker 1: he's gonna get fined as a personal fall. Well, No,
Speaker 1: I think he appeal. He can appeal the call itself,
Speaker 1: can't he Well, if he can prove that they made
Speaker 1: a mistake, even though the replay was one thing, you
Speaker 1: going to this particular procedure, it's almost like cool, you
Speaker 1: don't just rely on you know what. Dan Quinn in
Speaker 1: his interview yesterday took the high road, um because what
Speaker 1: he said was I was he said, this is something
Speaker 1: I've been working with him because he would lead with
Speaker 1: his head all the time and he goes and I
Speaker 1: would explain to him for your own good. We need
Speaker 1: you and are good. We need you on the field,
Speaker 1: so you got to quit doing it. So when they
Speaker 1: asked him, what did you tell him? He said basically
Speaker 1: after the game, I said, good job, he did what
Speaker 1: you were supposed to do, and he goes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: We haven't heard back from the league on the call,
Speaker 1: but at least you did the right thing. And he
Speaker 1: left it at that right. He didn't criticize the call,
Speaker 1: He just credited him kazy for doing Did they clarify
Speaker 1: Helm now a defenseless defenseless player? So you do with
Speaker 1: the defensive player? Just let him catch the ball? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I guess that's why I said yesterday. Is he supposed
Speaker 1: to stop and wait, okay, catch it and then take
Speaker 1: a step. Trying to remember did they say defenseless player
Speaker 1: or did they just say unnecessary roughness? I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I think it was unnecessarily roughless on a defensive player,
Speaker 1: but I didn't I didn't. I don't remember hearing them
Speaker 1: say defensively. They may have, I just don't. I thought
Speaker 1: I thought that's what they said, um, And they may have. UM,
Speaker 1: But on a play like that, what responsibility is it
Speaker 1: on the offensive team? Not to put your player in
Speaker 1: position you know why you're going to before Brady said,
Speaker 1: we talked about it before the Cowboys game and our
Speaker 1: friend interviewed him. Uh, and he said, that's on the
Speaker 1: quarterback because the quarterback, he said, I feel sorry for
Speaker 1: the defensive backs because the quarterback puts the receiver in
Speaker 1: that situation to get hit. So you worry about you
Speaker 1: worry about hitting them in the head. You were about
Speaker 1: them being defenseless. So and you worry about and don't launch. Well,
Speaker 1: yeah you so, So what if the only alternative is
Speaker 1: to go low? R If you go low, that is
Speaker 1: bad because now that guy hasn't he can get injured.
Speaker 1: You know, Shotz got up in a game to where
Speaker 1: thank god, he bounced up and was looking macho with
Speaker 1: look cool. But you know it could have been worse
Speaker 1: if he hits him at a certain way and he
Speaker 1: lands on his head. Yes, it was a total flim
Speaker 1: so you know, the impact was was pretty good. And
Speaker 1: so that's the only the alternative, and that's dangerous. I'd
Speaker 1: rather he hit him. He hit him here. That's the
Speaker 1: best place to hit in the torso area, defenseless or not,
Speaker 1: that's the best place to hit y and had his
Speaker 1: head up. I mean that used his shoulder. I'm not
Speaker 1: feeling that that has he cannot pay. He should not
Speaker 1: and I would imagine that's like twelve to fifteen times
Speaker 1: he should not have to pay. So what do you
Speaker 1: think of reviewing that, making that subject to review. I
Speaker 1: think they do it in college, don't think. Well, they
Speaker 1: do on targeting, just to determine right. They don't take
Speaker 1: the penalty away, right, okay, but they they review it
Speaker 1: to see if I gets rejected. They get If they
Speaker 1: get called for targeting, they're rejected unless on review they
Speaker 1: determined that he can stall the game. In review, they
Speaker 1: should take the penalty back to They should. They should
Speaker 1: because if it's not targeting, the what did you call?
Speaker 1: But in the NFL, okay, let's make it subject to review. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think it's how they were, Like you said,
Speaker 1: he said, defenseless. Can you review defense? Defenseless? Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can review defense. You should I say, oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you can always say it's launching though, because the
Speaker 1: guy's jumping. Say that, yeah, the referee off off the
Speaker 1: field in the room. He said that. He said, that's
Speaker 1: the only thing that I Greg Olsen's he said, maybe
Speaker 1: they could say launching, but but he wasn't convinced that
Speaker 1: it was even even even McCarthy skirted the issue yesterday too,
Speaker 1: by the way, when he did his press conference and
Speaker 1: he they asked him about or Todd Archer asked him
Speaker 1: about it and said, you know, from my point of view,
Speaker 1: this this and this right, and McCarthy says, I approved
Speaker 1: that article. You said that I didn't, And then he
Speaker 1: went on and anyone went on to basically point out
Speaker 1: that was it him or somebody else? After the game,
Speaker 1: the the official that was closest I think my centered
Speaker 1: After the game, the official that was closest to the
Speaker 1: play didn't call it. The two guys across the field
Speaker 1: that weren't close were the ones that threw them. If
Speaker 1: you hit somebody too hard, you're gonna get a flag. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just it. So I mean, Casey, I think I
Speaker 1: think I'm bigger than he is, so you are. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So just think if he was a linebacker, you know,
Speaker 1: just think it was if it was a more violent hit,
Speaker 1: which it could have been, it might get kicked out
Speaker 1: of the game. And so basically you're watching the game.
Speaker 1: Any play where you say, oh, like that because the
Speaker 1: cloud themselves, they could influence the referees like whoa what
Speaker 1: breaths like, Oh, I gotta call something on that and
Speaker 1: any wild hit, any wild hit five eleven, one seventy four.
Speaker 1: Wo Wow, he's got to be KG. You know he's
Speaker 1: a good player. You know he's smart. Yeah, for that
Speaker 1: to be at that size, to be that relevant seven
Speaker 1: picks before he got here, that's pretty good. Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you want to talk about when we come back
Speaker 1: here on mix shots? Well, give me a tease. Let
Speaker 1: me let me see what I got here. I got
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of notes, you do. That's the tease?
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Speaker 1: or Google Play story. That was very uneven there, but yeah,
Speaker 1: well deep breath, you know, I just can't go. You
Speaker 1: were really balling there earlier this this week. You were
Speaker 1: You are concerns me because we've made the determination that
Speaker 1: Mickey is going to continue to do the reads until
Speaker 1: the Cowboys lose a game. Right now, was kind of suffering,
Speaker 1: and he said, teetering a little bit here. Three straights,
Speaker 1: a lot, you got outside influences. Okay, So when's the
Speaker 1: last time they won four straight? Okay, fourth straight, that'd
Speaker 1: have to be sixteen, twenty eighteen they won five straight,
Speaker 1: five in a row, and twenty eighteen to get to
Speaker 1: ten and six and win the division. To close out
Speaker 1: the season, they ended up losing to Indianapolis twenty three
Speaker 1: to nothing. Remember them, Oh yeah, it's weird game. I
Speaker 1: don't think they needed that game though, And then oh,
Speaker 1: I think they did because then they won the last
Speaker 1: two games. They beat Tampa and the Giants thirty six
Speaker 1: thirty five the Giants, So they won seven of their
Speaker 1: last eight. I think we looked the way we looked
Speaker 1: at it. It It was good that they lost to Indianapolis
Speaker 1: because you don't want to be on an eight game
Speaker 1: winning street going into the playoffs because the more you win,
Speaker 1: the closer yard of losing, right, and so they were
Speaker 1: going to set themselves up for postseason success. So winning
Speaker 1: those last two were good. When those last year that
Speaker 1: was on track, think about it. They won seven of
Speaker 1: the last eight, which means they were three and five
Speaker 1: to start the season. I remember the season, remember because
Speaker 1: they were firing Garrett right. Yeah, and then they turned
Speaker 1: it around and they won, and then they won the
Speaker 1: first playoff game. So that's eight of nine and then
Speaker 1: that was the wild caught got wiped out by the
Speaker 1: Rams because they ran for two D seventy three yards
Speaker 1: with the running back. I had never heard of the
Speaker 1: guy off his couch or so is that in your notes?
Speaker 1: Is that what we were waiting for that break? Okay,
Speaker 1: what we were waiting So what's what's in your notes?
Speaker 1: So when Kellen Moore did his interview you yesterday, he
Speaker 1: was asked about McGovern going in as the third tight
Speaker 1: end or the fullback, and Kellen said, they asked him,
Speaker 1: what do you what do you call that? Like, what
Speaker 1: kind of formation is that? When he goes in, he
Speaker 1: goes We just say mac m ac. So when they
Speaker 1: call for that formation, they yell out Mac. And he said,
Speaker 1: that's the Mac show. Yep. Mac goes in there and
Speaker 1: handles everything. It's been awesome. He's a guy who has
Speaker 1: done some great stuff for us. So basically, Connor McGovern
Speaker 1: goes in as the eligible third tight end right number
Speaker 1: sixty six reports eligible and then he lines up at fullback.
Speaker 1: And if you go back and look at some of
Speaker 1: the plays from this last game, on that drive, they
Speaker 1: were in the red zone, maybe inside the ten. He
Speaker 1: had a block to spring Zeke right up the middle,
Speaker 1: and then on the one yard touchdown he hit and
Speaker 1: then he caved in the whole Well, it had been
Speaker 1: on the right side, the left side of the defensive line,
Speaker 1: so Zeke could slide in for a touchdown. He's been
Speaker 1: doing pretty good job at it too, by the way.
Speaker 1: And you know what, it keeps a guy engaged. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a backup. He got to start when Zack Martin
Speaker 1: was out with COVID and then he goes back to
Speaker 1: you know, just okay, what do I do? But he's
Speaker 1: a pretty good athlete, so they found a way to
Speaker 1: get him engaged. What what does he stay just on
Speaker 1: one side? Is he more comfortable on the the right side.
Speaker 1: I've seen him on the left too. I gotta say, Man,
Speaker 1: as much as we're playing the offense and I don't
Speaker 1: want to mess anything up, especially the offensive line, I
Speaker 1: think he's better than Connor Oh you mean Connor. I
Speaker 1: thought you meant left or right on the tight ends. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1: I think he's better than Williams, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's a little bit stronger. Obviously
Speaker 1: he's bigger, right. And I'm surprised that he didn't challenge him,
Speaker 1: uh for that starting job. I guess it wasn't up
Speaker 1: for debate. He never, I mean, he was always I
Speaker 1: mean he got snaps both sides. Uh. A lot of
Speaker 1: what happened was they were they were kind of game
Speaker 1: managing Zach during preseason and during training camp, so he
Speaker 1: would go and play on the on the right side. Um.
Speaker 1: And if you look at and so one of the
Speaker 1: things that also came up was the Cowboys using twelve personnel,
Speaker 1: like two tight ends or going with three tight ends, right,
Speaker 1: And you remember the criticism Garrett got for too much
Speaker 1: too tight end and three tight end. The first possession
Speaker 1: in the third quarter after they after the Chargers not
Speaker 1: the Chargers, um Carolina Carolina missed the field goal. Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 1: They they went the first three plays before the touchdown
Speaker 1: that we talked about to Amari, they went two tight
Speaker 1: end eleven yard gain, three tight end five yard gain,
Speaker 1: three tight end with McGovern five yard gain, and then
Speaker 1: they threw the thirty five yard touch What formation were
Speaker 1: they in on the touchdown pass? They went three y
Speaker 1: and all three guys were to the left, and just
Speaker 1: like they did, only the opposite direction in the game
Speaker 1: against the Chargers, they sifted. Cooper went in motion right
Speaker 1: and he stopped at the numbers and then took off
Speaker 1: and did a little like he was going straight and
Speaker 1: he did a little I was a good move. No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was. It was quick, Yeah, because the
Speaker 1: one he did to the dude uh in La, he
Speaker 1: gave him that step inside and then took off straight
Speaker 1: and the guy was lost. No one can keep up
Speaker 1: with this one. And this one it was smoother. It was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it wasn't as as crisp, but he got a step
Speaker 1: on him and like I said, and then Dak waited
Speaker 1: till he was the twenty yard I think I think
Speaker 1: the dB was guessing. Yeah, I think he was trying
Speaker 1: to figured out exactly and he hadn't played right Henderson. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so the twelve personnel has been really good
Speaker 1: for him, especially since these two guys can catch the
Speaker 1: ball right and you don't think they're just in there
Speaker 1: to block and or one guy's gonna block and one
Speaker 1: guy's gonna go out all the time. They can do
Speaker 1: either or or both. But at least when you extend
Speaker 1: the edge on the right side to help steal out
Speaker 1: a little bit, then who's ever rushing either got to
Speaker 1: go out wider or you know, try to fight through
Speaker 1: three guys instead of one. So it's been really productive
Speaker 1: for him. You know, when I first saw Schltz and
Speaker 1: j Jowin was the guy, you know, we we knew
Speaker 1: we had some blocking problems, but John preh acl Uh
Speaker 1: Sheltz looked a little bigger, he looked bulkier at that time.
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard to tell the difference between he
Speaker 1: and Joan as they go down the field. Now I
Speaker 1: think you can tell. Schultz kind of got leaner, especially
Speaker 1: when he remained a starter. His body, his body mass
Speaker 1: is leaner than it was, yet his blocking has them
Speaker 1: suffrage from that. I think that's how we ended up
Speaker 1: taking over for a job. And of course the injury
Speaker 1: didn't help, but he made the best of his opportunity,
Speaker 1: and I think that's why he's still in there now
Speaker 1: because he showed, yes, you know, I can block, but
Speaker 1: now I'm also catching passes. And we were talking about
Speaker 1: steal and I want to ask why did they have
Speaker 1: so much confidence him after what they saw last year,
Speaker 1: right when it was basically, let's get him out of there,
Speaker 1: let's put Zach Martin over there. So what gave you
Speaker 1: the confidence this year? They must have seen something in
Speaker 1: training camp. Now he got stronger. Yeah, and think that
Speaker 1: you think that was the beginning of it. I think
Speaker 1: and and he is one of the top workout guys
Speaker 1: in the offseason. He was one of the guys that
Speaker 1: got an award. And so I asked Nate. I asked Nate,
Speaker 1: I said, what do you think is the biggest difference,
Speaker 1: And he said, other than getting stronger, he said, he's
Speaker 1: playing with confidence. He goes, when you're young and you
Speaker 1: got all this stuff going on out there, and you
Speaker 1: start getting beat and you start beating yourself up, right,
Speaker 1: he goes, he's just playing with more confidence out there.
Speaker 1: And even Kellen Moore said, you know when when you're
Speaker 1: a young guy and you're not just blocking the guy
Speaker 1: in front of you seventy times, you know they're doing
Speaker 1: all this different stuff. You got to sort through things,
Speaker 1: and he goes in your head swimming yes. So now
Speaker 1: when he sets, he's setting like Okay, I'm gonna block
Speaker 1: this guy right, not like, oh no, I gotta block
Speaker 1: this guy right. And and and so it sounds like
Speaker 1: he's playing with more confidence. With some players, it just clicks,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone that doesn't. Obviously you weighed on a
Speaker 1: particular players, draft him in the first round or whenever
Speaker 1: you sign him. You're bringing in a key player, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it just clicks. Everyone doesn't get it. It's like classwork.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you get a kid in there, you know he's
Speaker 1: got potential. Yeah, but someone has to make him believe
Speaker 1: that he can do it. And I don't know who
Speaker 1: let that fire under him in regards to confidence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but someone or something made him say, you know what,
Speaker 1: that's where I was a grambling. I am tired of
Speaker 1: getting my butcket, you know, I mean, I'm just tired.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do something. There was something about that, so
Speaker 1: and that that that's kind of a person's moment a
Speaker 1: lot of them. That's just how it happens. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like playing tennants. Right second serve and you're you
Speaker 1: toss the ball up and you're going, oh right, or
Speaker 1: you're gonna toss it up and go okay, I got this.
Speaker 1: It depends on how you can play yeah right, yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: But but it's true if you're believing in yourself, then
Speaker 1: you're not thinking negatively, right. And so I don't know
Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna finally take advantage of him or what,
Speaker 1: but he's done pretty good. And I think the other
Speaker 1: thing is it seems like early in games when they
Speaker 1: go twelve personnel, Okay, let him get subtled, let him
Speaker 1: get into the game, get into rhythm, and then we'll
Speaker 1: test them on third down. Right. I just I just
Speaker 1: think it's important that this culture that we have now
Speaker 1: it's not just the interceptions that we've been begging for
Speaker 1: and the turnovers, but the offensive lines culture has returned, right,
Speaker 1: and like all together, Yes, to me, it looks it's
Speaker 1: like this, that's what keeps us in playoff mode. That's
Speaker 1: what's gonna have us going in December. You know, that's
Speaker 1: what's gonna keep us going in that seventh, seventeenth game,
Speaker 1: you know, into the playoffs. Our offensive line, not the
Speaker 1: D line, even though I love the pressure that they're
Speaker 1: putting down our offensive line. We are back to where
Speaker 1: we need to be. That them being our catalyst for
Speaker 1: this team and our success. And even having lost the
Speaker 1: starting right tackle, yes, a five game suspension, they've been
Speaker 1: able to not only I mean they've sustained it. They've excelled. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you don't just run for two
Speaker 1: forty three just because you other team's fallen down, right Uh?
Speaker 1: And then uh. Kellen was also asked by TYRNS about
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith and he just said he's playing phenomenal. Um. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: when when it's quiet over there, yes, when you know
Speaker 1: everything's any And I went to look for it and
Speaker 1: I couldn't find it. He said there was a scramble
Speaker 1: play that Dacked threw the ball to Schultz and I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I looked at him and I didn't see it. But
Speaker 1: he said, just go watch that click and that'll tell
Speaker 1: you all you need to know about Kellen. And then
Speaker 1: when he was talking about Zach uh, he compared it
Speaker 1: to the grades they give people and I'm I don't
Speaker 1: know about this stuff. Kell Kellen Moore, he said, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what the Madden grade is.
Speaker 1: Like they can give a ninety nine, he goes, so,
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's probably a ninety eight, but Madden,
Speaker 1: he might be a ninety nine. He's playing so well.
Speaker 1: I heard about these school I didn't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand either. And McCarthy basically said that he graded as
Speaker 1: high as you for this game, graded as high as
Speaker 1: you could grade it on my offensive. And that's not
Speaker 1: the first time either. So some of the other people
Speaker 1: that supposedly grade had him way up there to check
Speaker 1: out their work every week. All right, well, I think
Speaker 1: that does it for this edition of mix Shots. We're
Speaker 1: gonna you know what, don't sleep on these New York show.
Speaker 1: We're onto the Giants tomorrow. Okay, you know what they are.
Speaker 1: I am on the way out of town tomorrow. Why
Speaker 1: not sound like my wife? What? I will not be
Speaker 1: able to make the show. I'll be I couldn't get
Speaker 1: another flight, all right, what we're doing? Oh? Shut up?
Speaker 1: I hope I can make him. Yeah, I do. You know.
Speaker 1: I've done this show by myself before, and there's a
Speaker 1: reason they got others in here in Yeah, happen to year, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll just go out on the street see if I
Speaker 1: can find somebody right there you go. Maybe that kid
Speaker 1: that I told to call in that was at the
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