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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to another episode of Car Stories.

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Speaker 2: With some King and Amelia Hartford, and today we have

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Speaker 2: a exciting guest from fighting for our country to becoming

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Speaker 2: a professional NASCAR racing driver. We had a great conversation

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Speaker 2: about racism and dealing with negativity in the space and

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Speaker 2: how he overcomes that.

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Speaker 1: With all smiles. Yeah, I call him like the real

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Speaker 1: life Superman, Like he is amazing at everything he does.

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Speaker 1: He never lets anything hold him down. He's always, like

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Speaker 1: you know, aiming for the highest peak and everything he does.

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Speaker 1: And he has just such a great, great inspirational attitude.

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Speaker 2: He brought some great energy and has some very real

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Speaker 2: conversations about anyone aspiring to be a racing driver, what

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Speaker 2: it takes, and how it's never too late in your

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Speaker 2: career to go after your passions. So, without further ado,

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Speaker 2: Jesse wujie everybody.

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Speaker 1: How do I pronounce your last name without butchering it?

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Speaker 1: E wu g Jess e wougi Jesse?

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Speaker 3: Is it Jesse or Jess Jesse Jesse? Some people call

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Speaker 3: me Jess, not too many though, because it's so short already,

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Speaker 3: they don't leave out the fifth letter.

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Speaker 1: Except for me, I just go Jess you can collage.

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Speaker 3: If you want. Jay j W that was my jame

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Speaker 3: and style. I used to freestyle really back in the

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Speaker 3: day in college.

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Speaker 2: Yeah wait, don't make me put you on the spot here.

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Speaker 3: So I'm not the cleanest on my freestyle, so it

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Speaker 3: probably wouldn't be good.

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Speaker 1: So where did you go to high school?

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Speaker 3: Jess? Yes, so I went to high school. Actually got

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Speaker 3: that nickname in college, so high school people that when

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Speaker 3: they hear Jay Wo like what he wasn't Jay, he

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Speaker 3: was Jesse. But no, I went to high school in Dallas, Texas, Carrollton,

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Speaker 3: to be exact, Hebern High School. Played football there all

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Speaker 3: four years. It was amazing experience. When I first started

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Speaker 3: playing football, really wasn't that good at all. But from

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Speaker 3: my parents, everything I've learned from them is at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, in order to achieve anything in life,

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Speaker 3: you got to really put a ton of effort in.

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Speaker 3: So I figured, Hey, if I don't have as much

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Speaker 3: talent as everybody else, let me just out effort everybody

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Speaker 3: else and I'll get past them. Because there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of people who came into high school with a ton

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Speaker 3: of talent. They could catch football well, they could run well,

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Speaker 3: run routes do this and that. For me, I couldn't

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Speaker 3: do that. But I figured, hey, if I just continue

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Speaker 3: to work on it every single day, since they're super

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Speaker 3: comfortable with their skills, they won't continue to work on

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Speaker 3: their skills and and their abilities, and I'll just keep

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Speaker 3: on getting past them. So especially got to the point

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Speaker 3: where into high school, I started getting recruited by some schools,

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Speaker 3: and one of those schools was a naval academy. I

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Speaker 3: was like, this is a great opportunity to go to

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Speaker 3: a good place, get a great education, play football in

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Speaker 3: college for a great team, and then when I graduate,

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Speaker 3: be able to serve as an officer in the US Navy.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So you didn't grow did you? Were you born

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Speaker 1: in Texas? Your parents aren't from here.

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Speaker 3: Though, Me and my brothers and my sisters, Yeah, we

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Speaker 3: were born in Dallas, Texas. My parents, though, are from Nigeria,

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Speaker 3: Nigerian by trade, first generation here in the US. My

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Speaker 3: dad grew up in a very very poor area in Nigeria.

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Speaker 3: My mom as well. You know, I draw a lot

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Speaker 3: of strength from them because my mom, every time I

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Speaker 3: hear her story is just like crazy, because she at

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Speaker 3: to help her family out with extra money. She would

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Speaker 3: whatever they needed it for. Imagine being twelve years old,

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Speaker 3: middle school, going to a river and fetching pills of water.

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Speaker 3: That's what she used to do. You know, she threw

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Speaker 3: all that suffering and through everything she had to do.

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Speaker 3: I remember one time she had told me that she

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Speaker 3: was walking to the market and saw a group of

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Speaker 3: got down on her knees and started praying, and she's

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Speaker 3: like God, please, like, if anything good ever happens to

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Speaker 3: me in life, please allow my children to be able

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Speaker 3: to speak English. Because she saw that these other folks

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Speaker 3: common denominator was that they speak English. So that's the key. Well,

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Speaker 3: you know, fast forward later, she obviously got to America

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Speaker 3: to a better place. You know, a woman of a

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Speaker 3: Now she's a nurse. Wow. I used to watch her work,

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Speaker 3: you know, one hundred plus hour week. So she would

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Speaker 3: open and close herself every single day, so she would

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Speaker 3: day for like multiple years. The woman is just wild,

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Speaker 3: but she's she's a mom. She's she's given me a

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Speaker 2: What a strong role model to have in your life.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, most definitely. My dad's super hard work or

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Speaker 3: two did everything he could keep come to America. And

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Speaker 3: because he came, he was able to bring my mom

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Speaker 3: and yeah, they started her life here in the US.

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Speaker 2: I think it's so great that your parents taught you

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Speaker 2: at a young age that hard work can out beat talent,

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Speaker 2: because I think that's so important. It's so good for

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Speaker 2: people to hear that and your proof of that, and

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Speaker 2: I mean your family entirely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's absolutely necessary. And I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, in today's world, there's a lot of people

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Speaker 3: need to get massive gains. And that's just not what

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Speaker 3: it is, right, I mean, in order to get anywhere

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Speaker 3: have to put massive effort in. You have to put

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Speaker 3: goals every single day. It's not just going to happen.

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Speaker 3: Things aren't just going to magically fall in place at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day. You know. They talk about

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Speaker 3: when you're building skyscrapers, the higher you want to go,

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Speaker 3: the deeper you're going to have to dig. And I

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Speaker 3: learned that early in life, and that's basically what I've

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Speaker 1: With immigrant parents, something that I think we can relate to, right,

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Speaker 1: did they want you to follow like a traditional career

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Speaker 1: path and this race thing is like very foreign.

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Speaker 3: To Yeah, anyone who knows any Africans or no African

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Speaker 3: do three things. It's or one of three things. It's

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Speaker 3: either you got to be a doctor, a lawyer, or engineer.

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Speaker 3: That's it. You can literally type it in on Google

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Speaker 1: Sam, I think it's every immigrant family.

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Speaker 3: Doctor, lawyer, or engineer. That's it. There's no other career path.

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Speaker 3: Nothing else makes sense. Like if they're going to put

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Speaker 3: to at least be able to do that. So that's

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Speaker 3: what my parents pushed on us at first. As time

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Speaker 3: other things. They saw that, hey, there is more to

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Speaker 3: obviously was different than the doctor, lawyer, engineer thing. So,

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Speaker 3: but they were happy with it. They thought it was cool.

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Speaker 3: But then going from Navy to NASCAR, I was met

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Speaker 2: What was that shift? Because that's a big shift to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is a massive shift. Basically, how it happening

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Speaker 3: was I've always had a passion for cars and racing

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Speaker 3: I used to watch Night Rider and I love that

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Speaker 3: always researched things on cars. The Fast and Furious movies

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Speaker 3: And then going into college, when I would have free

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Speaker 3: and that slowly built up my passion for cars. But

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Speaker 3: I never thought I'd get into racing ever in my life.

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Speaker 3: I just thought it was just a thing I liked,

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Speaker 3: thought it was cool. Whatever. Graduated college, graduated from the

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Speaker 3: Naval Academy, bought a Challenger and SrTA and I was

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Speaker 3: building that thing, built it up to nine hundred plus

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Speaker 2: Okay for people listening, that is a crazy amount of horsepower.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that car got built originally in twenty twelve, but

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Speaker 3: much made that happen. But putting that effort in basically

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Speaker 3: kind of got my first taste at racing and competing

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Speaker 3: in competitions. Right. But after walle doing that one day,

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Speaker 3: I was just like, man, it's fun going fast in

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Speaker 3: go fast around corners. So that's when I bought my

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Speaker 3: going to road course tracks on open track days. And

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Speaker 3: drive six. I was living in Monterey.

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Speaker 2: Drive me to know you love something six hours down

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Speaker 2: with an extra set of wheels and tires in your car, Yes.

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Speaker 3: The entire way, And then I would change all my

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Speaker 3: go do a track day for a whole day, and

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Speaker 3: lately yeah, oh yeah, that's a very important thing. Yeah yeah, yeah.

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00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,040
Speaker 3: So I started putting on these drag racing events in

433
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:19,480
Speaker 3: Bakersfield for most of Raceway. They're awesome. I've been doing

434
00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,560
Speaker 3: this with them since twenty fifteen.

435
00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,920
Speaker 2: Now that's my home dragstrip.

436
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,199
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's it's the best one. Actually, it's

437
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,679
Speaker 3: the best one in California. It's the best one in

438
00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,080
Speaker 3: the West actually. But I started putting on these events there.

439
00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,400
Speaker 3: Basically I would use my knowledge of like Instagram, Facebook

440
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 3: and social media and stuff to basically promote the crap

441
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:36,879
Speaker 3: out of these events.

442
00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:38,720
Speaker 2: Were you scared you were going to lose money and

443
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:39,679
Speaker 2: not make your return on that?

444
00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 3: I was so afraid. But for whatever reason, I had

445
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:45,880
Speaker 3: the vision that I was going to become a pro

446
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 3: driver and I wasn't getting any sponsorship during that time,

447
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 3: so this was the only way to get money. So

448
00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:55,080
Speaker 3: I remember I was in by rain in the Middle

449
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 3: East when I first got this company. Going my first

450
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,439
Speaker 3: ticket sales, I was still on deployment. I was like,

451
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 3: I had put it out on social media and I'm

452
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 3: putting this event on in one of my friends he

453
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 3: has his nicknames Nacho, but he has a twins Turbo Camaro,

454
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 3: and I told him, hey, I'm putting on this event, dude,

455
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 3: I would love if you could come, and he bought

456
00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,399
Speaker 3: his first He was my first ticket sales ever. I

457
00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 3: think he bought like two hundred and seventy five dollars

458
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,480
Speaker 3: worth of like spectator tickets and racing tickets and all

459
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 3: that stuff. I was so pumped then I was also

460
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 3: so scared because I'm like, holy crap, I just made

461
00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 3: a sale. I have to have this event. Now there's

462
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,760
Speaker 3: no quitting. There's no going back. Eventually got enough people

463
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 3: out there which covered my track rental, covered all the expenses,

464
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,359
Speaker 3: and then made a few bucks right enough to basically

465
00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 3: pay for my first race I did, which it was

466
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 3: only a few grand, but it was enough. Right. It

467
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 3: was a lot of stress, but it was enough. And

468
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,679
Speaker 3: did that, and then I needed more money to get

469
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 3: to my next race. I did a crowdfunding campaign, made

470
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 3: some extra money to do that, ran out of money

471
00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 3: right after that. Again, I was like, Okay, I need

472
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 3: more money to get to my third race. Got my

473
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 3: credit card, maxed it out to get to my third

474
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,119
Speaker 3: late Model race, and then after that literally had no

475
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 3: more money. And once again, this is that point where

476
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,080
Speaker 3: everyone quits because they're like, I ran out of resources,

477
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: it's time to quit. I was like, no, no, no,

478
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,000
Speaker 3: I saw myself becoming a pro driver in NASCAR. It's

479
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 3: going to happen. Just don't quit. So I got on

480
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,800
Speaker 3: the phone and called and called and called, kept on networking, networking, networking.

481
00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 3: One person led me the other to the other, to

482
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 3: the other, and then I eventually landed my first big

483
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: sponsorship of twenty fifteen, which covered the rest of my

484
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 3: late Model racing at Erwindale Speedway. And what he did

485
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 3: was he had a son who ran a nonprofit organization

486
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 3: and he was like, Hey, I'm going to sponsor your races,

487
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 3: but I need you to work with this nonprofit because

488
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,320
Speaker 3: I need you to help them continue to get more awareness.

489
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 3: And also you're also an arm that they can use

490
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 3: to help with their veteran programs because they have a

491
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 3: lot of stuff where they're doing these veteran experiences for

492
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,199
Speaker 3: those who have been wounded in combat. So I was like,

493
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: this is perfect. I'm racing. We go to these tracks.

494
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: We can bring these vets and their families, wounded vets

495
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 3: and their family to the track. That's great, put them

496
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 3: in suites, put their name on a race car, all

497
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: that stuff. So we were doing all these cool things

498
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 3: for these wounded vets and they were absolutely loving it.

499
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: So for the Late Model, did you win your first

500
00:21:59,000 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 2: few races?

501
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: Now, if I would have won, and I think there

502
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,120
Speaker 3: have been something completely wrong. Most of the Late Model

503
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,119
Speaker 3: races that I ran, I was like midpack. So for

504
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,959
Speaker 3: me that was a positive sign because I'm like, Hey,

505
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: I've never done this before and there's all these people

506
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,239
Speaker 3: here from racing. Yeah, like I'm like, I've never done

507
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: this before, and these folks have been racing five years,

508
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 3: ten years, twenty years some of them. I'm like, if

509
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 3: I'm out running half of the field, that means like

510
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: this is meant to be.

511
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 2: Why did you go from road racing, let's say, to

512
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,160
Speaker 2: circle truck driving opportunity? Okay?

513
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you look at all the different forms

514
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: of racing in the US, right, the one that gets

515
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 3: the most attention is NASCAR. It's been around a long

516
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 3: time and it's just the most popular motorsport in the US.

517
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: So for me, I looked at it as if I'm

518
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 3: going to go up any motorsport route, I need to

519
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: go up the route where it's going to be, I

520
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 3: would say the easiest to find sponsorship, right, and sponsorship

521
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 3: really comes with just viewership, and NASCAR got the most

522
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 3: out of all the different racing forms in the US,

523
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 3: So I figured that's the route I'm going to go through.

524
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: And also I was different, right, I'm African American. I'm

525
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 3: in the military active duty at that time. I'm in

526
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: the reserves now. But to couple me being this naval

527
00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 3: officer racing and NASCAR, I felt like it was a

528
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: great story, a lot of people could rally behind it,

529
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 3: and I felt like a lot of companies with all

530
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 3: their different military programs and their support, it would be

531
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 3: something that they could help support.

532
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: You look at it as a business, which is very smart.

533
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: I'm sure you probably get the question all the time, Hey,

534
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: how do I get a sponsor or I'm getting in

535
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 3: the racing? You know, just the people ask that question

536
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 3: thinking it's just go ask a company and they're going

537
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 3: to fund your dreams.

538
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: Probably one of the number one questions.

539
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 3: No one wants to fund your dream If a company's

540
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 3: going to put money into your racing, it's because they

541
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: see some type of return on their investment. They're using

542
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: you as a tool to basically get to where they

543
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: need to go. Right, It's just straight business. It's nothing personal.

544
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 3: That's just how it is. If they want to use

545
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 3: me to advertise, well, it's going to also help me

546
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 3: in racing too. So you have to look at it

547
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 3: on both sides, where it's like if they put a

548
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: thousand into me, ten thousand, a million, five million, six million,

549
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: that I'm doing everything possible, So every single dollar actually

550
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 3: makes sense for them and they're getting something out of

551
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: it or else you will never see that smontship again.

552
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: Did you always think this way or is this.

553
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 3: Something you learned does since the beginning? Because I was

554
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: fortunate enough to not come from the racing world, right,

555
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: So I didn't come up just thinking, Hey, just be

556
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: a really, really good driver and it's just all going

557
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 3: to take care of itself, because it's not. I've seen.

558
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: I've seen. I've watched drivers in NASCAR win a championship

559
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: in the very next season be sitting on accounts because

560
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 3: they ran out of funding. They don't they don't have anymore.

561
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 3: So when I saw that, learning the marketing side, learning

562
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: how to fund raise, learning how to give a good

563
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 3: return on your investment to the people that are funding you.

564
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 3: Doing all that will keep you in. You can get

565
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 3: good at racing. You can learn over time. You might

566
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 3: suck at first, but it takes understanding the marketing side

567
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:42,120
Speaker 3: for sure.

568
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, walk us through. Then your first NASCAR race, did

569
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: a team reach out to you? What was that next

570
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 2: step for you? So?

571
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 1: Are you winning?

572
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: No? No? It wasn't winning. No, No, I know. So

573
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 3: that's the crazy thing about racing, right, So you can

574
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 3: win all the races you want. There are short track

575
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 3: guys who race late models all around the country who've

576
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: won so many races and never made it up to

577
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 3: the next level. There's multiple levels of NASCAR, right, So

578
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 3: you have your late models just local LASCAR, weekly NASCAR,

579
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: it's not on TV or anything like that. You have

580
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 3: your ARCA Series. Now you're not on the national stage.

581
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: You're just regional stage down. Once you get up to

582
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 3: the national series, that's when you have the NASCAR Truck Series,

583
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: Xfinity Series, and then the.

584
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: Cup Series, and Cup is the highest you can go.

585
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: Cup is the highest you can go. Yeah, I haven't

586
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 3: run any Cup races. Not there yet. I gotta get

587
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: better and find more money. But I've so far run

588
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: ARCA trucks and Exfinity.

589
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 2: So you're working your way up there pretty well. Yeah,

590
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 2: considering you start in twenty fifteen.

591
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, twenty fifteen.

592
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:39,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible.

593
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I still have a long way to

594
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: go and no way to say or form. Am I

595
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 3: the best out there at all? Like I'm still learning

596
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: a lot. I have good days and I have terrible days.

597
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: They changed everything of this year, right.

598
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 3: Everything for Cup. They changed the body, they changed the chassis,

599
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 3: they changed the drive train, like from the motor transmission, everything.

600
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 3: I mean, even wheels now they got I think eighteen

601
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 3: wheels eighteen months.

602
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: So where the changes for safe? Their quickness, that's.

603
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 2: Safe, the modernization, I think, and I'm you know, I

604
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 2: this is just what i've what I've read, what I've heard.

605
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why they change. I think just to

606
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 2: grow and scales of business and keep things fresh and fun.

607
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 3: They're probably thinking long term vision too, you know, nascars

608
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: really trying to open up its audience. Even I feel

609
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: like F one has grown in popularity now in the US,

610
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: so with more street courses probably coming for F one

611
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 3: in the US and all that stuff, NASCAR is also

612
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: doing more street course stuff. So all these different changes,

613
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: I think they just want to make sure that these

614
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: cars can run not only just on the ovals, but

615
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: really well on the road courses as well.

616
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 2: Yeah that's important because a lot of people when they

617
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: hear NASCAR, they think oval track, But NASCAR does a

618
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: lot of road courses. Yeah, they do.

619
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: Could you explain how a race team could justify having

620
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: four hundred million dollar budget or a thirty million dollars NASCAR,

621
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: because there used to be this like you win on

622
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: Sundays and you sell the car.

623
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,919
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right, so I got to

624
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: grow from that to yeah, where it's at now. Competition. Right,

625
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 3: So you're a team. Let's say you have you know what,

626
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 3: forty teams or whatever. You got all these teams, right,

627
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: and you see your neighbor team and they're like, Hey,

628
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: we're going to go test this new idea. We think,

629
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: you know that we can use on the car to

630
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: make it faster. Right. They're like, well, if they're testing that,

631
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 3: then we need to create something like that and test it.

632
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: And they're like, okay, if you create that, then I'm

633
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: gonna go spend ten more dollars to create this. For

634
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: the big teams. If Joe Gibbs is doing X, then

635
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 3: Hendrick and all them they're gonna try X as well

636
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 3: because if that gives them the advantage, then they can

637
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: go win and be on top. It's just a competition.

638
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: That's car. The NASCAR Cup Series cars look kind of

639
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: all the same.

640
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: They look yeah, they're not they're not, they're not. Yeah.

641
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there is innovation and maybe it's some funny

642
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: business that can happen.

643
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's some there's some documentary stuff on that

644
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: like on how people try to script by the rules.

645
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: But yeah, all of the cars do look very similar

646
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 3: on the outside. It's not that they're doing anything majorly different.

647
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: It's just like, how can I get an eighth of

648
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Speaker 3: inch here, a quarter of inch there, an eighth of

649
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: an inch there, Because all those little minute details end

650
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 3: up adding up in the long run. You might you

651
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 3: might not see it with a car standing still, but

652
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 3: once you start moving you're going one hundred and eighty

653
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety miles per hour, every little thing

654
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 3: you just did at zero miles proor now gets amplified

655
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 3: to a lot more. All of a sudden, you are

656
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: a tenth quicker, and that tenth that you're quicker, after

657
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 3: two hundred, two hundred and fifty laps, you're how many

658
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: seconds ahead of your competitor. So that's all you're looking

659
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: for is these minor, minor, minor details which puts you

660
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: just a little bit ahead. And at the end of

661
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 3: the day, you only have to win by point zero

662
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: zero zero zero zero one to win a race.

663
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Speaker 1: In your experience, when you meet all of these great drivers, right,

664
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: what makes a good driver? What are the character traits

665
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: that you see?

666
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 3: What makes a good driver to me someone who one

667
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: has all the patients in the world right, because you

668
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 3: can't win the race on the first lap. In order

669
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 3: to finish first, you must first finish, so patients is key. Focused.

670
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: I think the most elite drivers have the most insane focus.

671
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 3: They're able to get on the track and just hit

672
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: their line every single lap, over and over and over

673
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: and literally get to the same point, are within a

674
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 3: few inches of the same point every single lap, and

675
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: then as their car is either falling off or getting

676
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 3: better throughout the race, they can adjust their lines to

677
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: make it work, but they find the ragged edge and

678
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: they stay on the ragged edge every single lap as

679
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: much as possible. If you are driving a car and

680
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: it's way too comfortable, then you're probably not going fast enough.

681
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 3: You got to find where that line is, find a

682
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: way to maybe barely overstep it a little bit, bring

683
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 3: it back just a little bit, and do that every

684
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 3: single lap. And the drivers that can do that the

685
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 3: best are the ones who end up having the best

686
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: races and usually usually will win as long as you

687
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 3: don't get taken out. You know, there's some drivers who

688
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 3: have terrible races or the car feels horrible and they

689
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 3: only have to lead one lap, which is the last,

690
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 3: and then they win.

691
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Speaker 2: Do you have like a routine before every race, something

692
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: that you have to even superstitious, or like a workout

693
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: routine or something that has to be done, and then

694
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Speaker 2: also how do you prepare for a race?

695
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely don't do a workout before the race. I

696
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 3: see other drivers do that. They go like on these

697
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 3: multi mile bike rides, and for me, I'm like, aren't

698
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: you like sweating too much? You're gonna be dehydrated before

699
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Speaker 3: the race. For me, my routine each day on race

700
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Speaker 3: day is to figure out a way to stay as calm,

701
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: cool and collected as possible, because you got to be

702
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 3: able to focus. When I played football, I had to

703
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 3: get as hyped as possible before a game because you're

704
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: like a human being about to put your body through

705
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 3: another human being multiple times. Like that's not like normal,

706
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: so you got to get like hyped up for it.

707
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 3: Whereas for racing, I'm like, hey, I gotta be calm

708
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: because I don't want to make any mistakes. And for me,

709
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 3: my routine is really just dangkom cool and collected, drinking

710
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Speaker 3: a ton of water. Right. Designing water all day, and

711
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that my car is as

712
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: fast as it Sminity Tenji, and also make sure I

713
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Speaker 3: have my phone on me, which is AT and T

714
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Speaker 3: the largest nature ye network with the fewest drop calls

715
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Speaker 3: and also an LT network you can trust at and

716
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Speaker 3: T the News Singular. They're not sponsoring me though, but

717
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 3: that was so good.

718
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Speaker 1: This is something that the listeners need to learn from you, Jess,

719
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Speaker 1: is that at the end of the day, you can't

720
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: take it personal. It's like even in Hollywood, if you

721
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: see yourself and you understand the business that you are

722
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: a product. At the end of the day, if you're

723
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Speaker 1: the buyer, why am I going to choose you this

724
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Speaker 1: product at and T over T Mobile?

725
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

726
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: Right now you have to be able to pitch that yeah.

727
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, it's it's absolutely you got to be

728
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: ready at all times to be able to just drop it.

729
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: But a lot of yep, yep, yep.

730
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Speaker 3: I always make sure I pray, you know, before the races.

731
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: Got the end of the day, it's in God's hand.

732
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: Do you do you eat the same breakfast every day? Like,

733
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: is there something that has to be the same every day?

734
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: You know what I don't, but I usually love eating

735
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 3: Chick fil A, So yeah, yeah.

736
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Speaker 2: A sponsor, it's not.

737
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, one of the one of these days I need

738
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 3: some Chick fil A in my life.

739
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: I love Chick fil A. It's so good, it's so.

740
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: Good, like amazing. But yeah, I try to eat that

741
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: usually on race day because it's like, for whatever reason,

742
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 3: it's like a light enough meal to me, plenty enough

743
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 3: calories and it's like not.

744
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: Calories, protein, good immediate sugars.

745
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Chick fil A.

746
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not healthy.

747
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: Not healthy. I'm saying.

748
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: It's healthy.

749
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Speaker 3: Healthy, I'm saying.

750
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Speaker 2: I'm saying because you have fast when it comes to carbohydrates, No,

751
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 2: you have your fast releasing and you're in your slow

752
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 2: releasing and fast is you know, like your your white

753
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: white rice versus you know, your complex carbohydrates soutrition. So

754
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 2: I can see why that's a good go to.

755
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I eat. And like I said, hydration

756
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: is key, right, We lose a lot of water in

757
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 3: these race cars. So everybody out there who's like I

758
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 3: want to be a race car driver, you better be

759
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 3: ready to sweat your butt off in a race car.

760
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: Any normal hot race day, I will lose five to

761
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 3: six pounds of water in one race.

762
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so are you putting like electrolytes in your water?

763
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: Are you like eating straight sugar after the races to

764
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: replenish glycogen levels?

765
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: Like so yeah on the electrolytes side, No need to

766
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: put it in the water, right, because all I do

767
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 3: is just go grab a power aide, right, But they're

768
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: all far Cocacola. This is great, grab a power aid,

769
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 3: a drink, a power aid because that's plenty of electrolytes.

770
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Speaker 3: Because it's not just only water that's going to get

771
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Speaker 3: you buy. You can have all the water in the world,

772
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 3: but if you don't have all the right ingredients that

773
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: are keeping your body going, you're gonna cramp. And I've

774
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: never cramped playing football in my life, and I've played

775
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 3: at the highest level of college football. I've cramped in.

776
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Speaker 2: A race car during a race.

777
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: Yes, it's not good. It was my right leg too,

778
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: so my gas pedal leg, my hamstring. Have you got

779
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: a Charlie horse before, Yeah? Yeah. Imagine getting one in

780
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: the race car and you can't move around. You can't

781
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 3: there's no stretching. So imagine getting a Charlie horse and

782
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Speaker 3: just taking.

783
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Speaker 1: It, so elect your lights help them.

784
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and you have to have plenty of

785
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: it leading up. You can't wait till race day. You

786
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: have to start at least two to three days beforehand.

787
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 3: Some people will say you gotta start seven days. You

788
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: don't need to start seven days at least, I don't

789
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: have to start.

790
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Speaker 1: And want to ask the scientist what electric lights are

791
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: and he goes, ah, that's good for you.

792
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 3: It's just the minerals your body. Yeah, yeah, so potassium,

793
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: and I don't know what the other ones are, seeing

794
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 3: as it is different. It's just ingredients that your muscles

795
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: need to operate, right, So you need water for sure,

796
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 3: but there's also these other little ingredients that it needs,

797
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: like the salts and all that stuff. To make sure

798
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: that they do with it, because if they don't have it,

799
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 3: they will cramp. I've seen people go full body cramps

800
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: on racing, but in football, and it's not cool.

801
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens in swimming, right, Yeah it was a swimmer.

802
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if you ever got a cramp in

803
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: the water, if you feel like you start drowning, Oh yeah, yeah,

804
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: it's all about I would load us up with bananas.

805
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 3: Yes, bananas, are a great way too.

806
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, do you practice on the truck before the

807
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: actual events.

808
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 3: They do not let us practice at all. You cannot test,

809
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: so your only practice you get is race day, like

810
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 3: the set practice that NASCAR has. It's just twenty minutes.

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Speaker 2: Would you get in trouble if you just run out

812
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: of the track.

813
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, like yeah, I mean if you could. Yeah,

814
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,960
Speaker 3: if you get caught, it's massive penalties. You cannot go

815
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 3: testing because that's how they help us. That's how they

816
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 3: help us save money is by making it to where

817
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 3: they don't let anyone test, because if they.

818
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Speaker 2: Do, like yeah, that's fair, then be an unfair advantage

819
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: and someone would just run it out for.

820
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Speaker 3: Weeks before yeah yeah, yeah, they do that, and they

821
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 3: spend all the money. And what about the small teams.

822
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: We don't have the money to go rent tracks and

823
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 3: for multiple days. It's just too much. So that's how

824
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: they help us save some money. But it also makes

825
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: it harder because let's say you've never been to this track.

826
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 3: You get twenty minutes when you get there to practice

827
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: twenty minutes. And by the way, these laps are, depending

828
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 3: on the track, anywhere from thirty seconds to road course

829
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,439
Speaker 3: tracks sometimes two minutes, so you might only get five

830
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 3: six laps of practice period and now you have to

831
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 3: go race on national TV. So even though we can't

832
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 3: test at the tracks running, you can't test anywhere, so

833
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 3: it's not really any anywhere. The car does not turn

834
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 3: on to drive until you are on track for practice pretty.

835
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Speaker 2: Much, so they'll fire the car, make sure it runs

836
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: and yeah that's yeah, So they run on a dynam

837
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: make sure it goes through the gears properly. But when

838
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 2: it comes do actually cornering, like.

839
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: Not to the first corner and your first laps on track,

840
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: I mean, you're the moment it hits green flag for practice,

841
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: you are wide open hauling the mail into the corner

842
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 3: and you better hope it sticks and you better hold

843
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: everything works.

844
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: So days have done. There was misleading.

845
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: Time because times have changed. So back then you used

846
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 3: to be able to test and like so that's why

847
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 3: NASCAR got away from it because they're like, hey, this

848
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 3: is costing these teams a lot of money, like they're

849
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: running these tracks doing you know, imagine someone going to

850
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: renting Daytona to go practice. You know that's just crazy. So, yes,

851
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 3: you used to be able to test back in the day,

852
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: but I think I can't remember when they changed the rule,

853
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: but over the last few years they basically cut down

854
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 3: to where at first they're like, okay, teams can only

855
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 3: test like a couple times or so. Then it make

856
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: it's where only rookies can test, and now it's just

857
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: like basically only people can actually go do a test.

858
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: Is a rookie, you have to be a real rookie,

859
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,720
Speaker 3: like never race that series before.

860
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 2: Fortunately, though modern technology, there's sim racing, so you want

861
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: to get familiar with the track. I'd imagine you have

862
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 2: a simulator that you practice.

863
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: On, YEP. So that's what helped me a lot to

864
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: get into racing. So when I was even getting into

865
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: late models, I was like, I've never driven a late model,

866
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 3: and even though I went and tested the late you

867
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: can test late models. So it's just once you get

868
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 3: to a national series you can't test anymore, but stuff

869
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: below that you can do some testing. And so I

870
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 3: got on my simulator and trained because in the Navy

871
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 3: we trained on simulators before we got to the real thing,

872
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: So I learned how to drive a ship on a

873
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: ship simulator. Yeah, so when I was getting the racing,

874
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, we got ship simulators in the Navy, Like,

875
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: I wonder if they have racing similarities in racing. So

876
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: I got a racing simulator trained on there used you

877
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: know I Racing, I Racing, you know, one of the

878
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: better ones for NASCAR stuff. Did that and then that

879
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 3: helped me out a ton. Once that helped me, I

880
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: knew that it would help other people. So I actually

881
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: started my own sim racing league called E Racing Association.

882
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 3: And if you have like I Racing or even some

883
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: other platforms. We even do Mario Kart events and stuff

884
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah. Yeah, So we put on events and

885
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: people can win real cash money.

886
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: So how does someone join that?

887
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 3: If they go to www dot e r a gaming

888
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 3: dot gg they can register for our events. And we

889
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: actually just had one last night. The winner of our

890
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: event at home, they're sitting in their home on a simulator,

891
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: won four thousand dollars to win the event. Four thousand

892
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 3: to be at home and playing on the SIAM.

893
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: Jess, I want to talk about a lot of kids today.

894
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: They're opting out not to go to college because it's

895
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: so expensive. But if you were to talk to your

896
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: younger self today and where you are you know, in

897
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 1: terms of like your career choices, do you think going

898
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: to university is important today? It's so expensive?

899
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it is expensive. I can tell people this.

900
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 3: You don't need universities and colleges to go make it

901
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 3: in life, right, but I highly suggest it because it

902
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: teaches you a lot of things. You can go to

903
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: school and yeah, like the the I don't know calculus.

904
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: I did a lot of classes at the academy. The

905
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 3: negus do Calculus one, Calculus two, Calculus three, Physics one,

906
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: Physics two. I got through algebra, thermo dynamics, all that stuff.

907
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 3: So all that is great and all, but I'm not

908
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: really using those things I learned in there in my

909
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: normal world. Right now, you are going to learn how

910
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: to critically think past what you learn in high school.

911
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 3: Right They're going to give you problems. It doesn't matter

912
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: what the problems are. They're giving you problems, and you're

913
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 3: gonna learn how to solve problems and not complain about it.

914
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 3: Right now, the formulas and the theories, who cares about that.

915
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 3: That's not the point of college. A point is to

916
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: go learn how to critically think and solve problems and

917
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: do it with your peers because you're gonna have a

918
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: lot of group projects. You're gonna learn how to be

919
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: how to live on your own and be away from

920
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: your parents. Right. You got too many people who you know,

921
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 3: they never they never leave their their nest because they're

922
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 3: too scared or whatever it is. And it's just like, hey,

923
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: you can and you can leave, you can go, you

924
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: can be on your own. That's what college taught me,

925
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: how to be on my own and how to critically think.

926
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,720
Speaker 3: And I don't remember half the things I learned in college,

927
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: but I do remember those two things, and that's what

928
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 3: basically helped me get into everything else I've gotten to

929
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: in life because I learned how to critically think at

930
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 3: a younger age. You can go learn how to critically

931
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: think and a lot of other things. But if you

932
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 3: do have the opportunity, go do it. Don't get in

933
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: a lot of debt to do it though, So I

934
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 3: high they should just get in scholarships and all that stuff.

935
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 3: But you know, just be smart.

936
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 2: I can't ask you a weird question, what time do

937
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 2: you wake up at every day?

938
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: I'm not like a crazy early riser, so I would assume.

939
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 2: So I don't know why yeah, No.

940
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm like, like usually, yeah, seven to seven

941
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 3: thirty or something.

942
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: In the navy, what time do they make you guys

943
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 2: wake up at.

944
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 3: It depends right what you're doing. So on the ship,

945
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: we all had weird hours because we're on watch at

946
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 3: different times. You know, there is a time where the

947
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 3: ship goes into working hours, you know, at seven am,

948
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: so you know, depending on what you're doing, yeah, you

949
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 3: got to be up by six something, but it's not

950
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 3: that we got to every day be up at like

951
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: five am, four am or something crazy like that.

952
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: You'll start waking up really early, both of you and

953
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: you get older.

954
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's going to.

955
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: Get older because you guys are young when you get older.

956
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: Because I used to be able to sleep till two pm.

957
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: So I can't do that, but I still need like

958
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 2: my eight hour.

959
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: Special skill on my resume was sleeping, right and now

960
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: for me, yeah, now I wake up at four am,

961
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: like yeah, four, and I'm up and sometimes I wake

962
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: up at two up at two twenty and then I

963
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: have to I sit there and I'm like, I'm like,

964
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: I wish I could go back to bed. What time

965
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: do you go to sleep at though I try to

966
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: go to sleep around like ten eleven. You don't need

967
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot of you do I do.

968
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: I just can't sleep.

969
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: It's I prefer eight hours. Then I feel really healthy.

970
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: But you get older and just I think it's because

971
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: as you get older, we have less time on this earth,

972
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: so something kicks in your body is like, no, you

973
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: gotta you don't have much time left go do something life,

974
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: so just just enjoy it. You guys enjoy like, yeah,

975
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: really enjoy it. But Jesse, we could sit here and

976
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: talk to you for hours.

977
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: This has been such a joy.

978
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, learned a lot.

979
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you.

980
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: No, this is great. I think it's great. Great for

981
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: the audience to listen to this, to learn from them,

982
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: because you can apply your lessons to anything.

983
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: You know.

984
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: I think from here on, I'll like approach me as

985
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: like a product within the Hollywood system. It's like very clear,

986
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, I don't feel like I'm alone in my thinking. Yeah,

987
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: so thank you so much.

988
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for coming on.

989
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: Definitely, thank you for having me.