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Speaker 1: for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, All right,

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Speaker 1: Jason felt, before we get into elk hunt and all that,

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Speaker 1: But Steve had this idea he brought to me. He

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Speaker 1: pretty good idea, Steve. I'll give you that. At first,

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Speaker 1: Steve cut down probably a sixty seventy ft walnut, and

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Speaker 1: But well, okay, so it's called the line one turkey call,

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Speaker 1: really good information on the we're covering how deer all

426
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: have COVID, not all, but like a lot of surprising

427
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: number of deer have COVID. And we covered that story,

428
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: and I was mentioning, like, how do they if you

429
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: weren't checking for code it earlier because he didn't know

430
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: it didn't exist, right, how do you know what they

431
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: had before? You know what I mean? Like meaning, if

432
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: you went out now and tested a bunch of deer

433
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: and there's some marker that demonstrates COVID um but you

434
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: don't have you can't compare it to anything. I just

435
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: wondered about the likelihood of false positives or how does

436
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: that actually work. I wasn't being incredulous. I was just

437
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: being like, I don't know. It seems like a reasonable question.

438
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: Halfle Finger can we cover every week? We should come

439
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 1: up with the theme song, Like Phil should work up

440
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: something from when we talk about something that Hefflefinger told us,

441
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: like halfle Fingers Corner feels like CNN. They'd call it

442
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 1: like the Hefflefinger Report checking checking a strum up a

443
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 1: couple of chords on the guitar. You gotta work that up,

444
00:27:48,320 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: Chester Ale Finger have a finger? Oh you know, I

445
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: don't know if we can say this yet I guess

446
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: we can probably say it. So I want to tease

447
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: another thing we've got going on for our Land Access Initiative.

448
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: We have a very famous might I say, probably the

449
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: the like the leading country singer today has donated a

450
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: guitar is donating guitar that he has used at live

451
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: performances to our Land Access Initiative fundraising mechanism which is

452
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: called the Mediator auction House of Oddities. So we will

453
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: be able to auction that guitar and that for an

454
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: additional five thousand dollars. This is all just all goes

455
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: to just like lands. So he's donating his time in

456
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: the name of land Access for an additional five grand

457
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: Chester will fly to your home in play song on

458
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: that new guitar. Right Chester, he will visit your home

459
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: and personally he's gonna be there for like ten minutes.

460
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: He comes in, he'll engage in a very small amount

461
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: of small talk. No, he comes in fresh from the airport.

462
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: He will engage in a very small amount of small talk.

463
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: You can have whoever you want to be there, be

464
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: there at a set time. Just will come in, do

465
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: the song, and the coyote says who you and then

466
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: do the whole song and then he leaves. It sounds

467
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: kind of weird. It's kind of creepy. You know. My

468
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: buddy Matt, he was a salesman and he was to

469
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: talk about putting on his little boat peep costume. Now

470
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: now when he really needed to make a sale. Have

471
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: to have to get that costume for Chester to wear

472
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: when he comes and does that? Just uh oh so

473
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: where was I? Yeah, a theme song for helfle Finger

474
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: would be great, uh helf of Finger Road. And how

475
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: this is true about the COVID thing. They they bank

476
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: um serum. They bank samples from deer when they're doing

477
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: other kind of deer research, probably just for this with

478
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: this kind of thing of mine. So if you're like

479
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: working up deer, you'll draw serums of blood and they

480
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: bank vials of it, which is great thinking. So they

481
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: were able to go in and look at samples. What

482
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: they did they went and looked at serum samples out

483
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: of their archive dating back to two thousand and eleven

484
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: and analyze those samples for antibodies really nothing. So they

485
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: looked at all these samples from two thousand eleven. They

486
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: looked at one positive from nineteen used a separate test,

487
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and it appears that that was a false positive. Half

488
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: of finger says, it's pretty halfly read. The whole damn

489
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: thing was then into this big meeting and stuff about it.

490
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that stars c o V two was

491
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: not present in the deer heard before it goes on

492
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: to say that, um, they can't find that no one

493
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: has pointed to in any like any symptoms in the deer.

494
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: What they're testing for is they're testing for antibodies produced

495
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: in response to exposure six in this one study we

496
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: were talking about. I think it was of the deer

497
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: they checked in Michigan and it was over a hundred

498
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: I think UH had been exposed. That's pretty wild. I

499
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: think if you traced it, you might trace it back

500
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: to Doug Durren's farm because of buck Man juice. With

501
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: buck Man juice, there's something about Doug. No one understands

502
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: what it is. If Doug p's on a bush, deer

503
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: like flock to it. If Doug wants to see what's

504
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: going on, he puts a trail cam up. It goes

505
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: out in front of that trail canra urinates on a bush.

506
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: Every deer, every deer in Richland County will come in

507
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: to smell that buck man juice did he have? And

508
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: my I got They these people want to get down

509
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: to the bottom of this. They test Doug's urine and

510
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: the bodies and then have to work up the genetics

511
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: on it and see if that strain all these deer

512
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: have all comes from Doug. Yeah, that gets, I mean

513
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: that really gets. You're thinking, like, where are these deer

514
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: got it from? Like Doug, it's someone who's real good

515
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: at hunting. If he's getting that close to a lot

516
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: of deer, well maybe maybe it's captive deer that you know.

517
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: People people are like work. You know, someone who has

518
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: COVID is in in the barn working on him or whatever,

519
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: getting them shots, put him out to pasture. They end

520
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: up nosing wild deer through the fence. I like it.

521
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: Do you do? You know how many angry emails are

522
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: being generated right now about what Seth just said. That's

523
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: gonna be the latest target of the captive servant industry

524
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: bringing on Duck's got to market his buck juice. That's yeah,

525
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that's extremely value. It's really something. He's even done things

526
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: where he'll photograph a tree a bunch to show that

527
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: nothing's there, and then he pees on the tree and

528
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: everything shows he's got he's got like a like a

529
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: b testing. He's like no one dear like this tree.

530
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: Another item in the auction house of oddities. The thing

531
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: of Buckman juice be a really good idea. Yeah, well

532
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: to talk about man juice like a pot a pint

533
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: of buck Man juice. Yeah, there might be simple. I

534
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: was just on I was just on Minnesota brand. Uh.

535
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: There's a I use Uh. I buy a trapping equipment

536
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: from what's that place called like Minnesota, Minnesota trap Line Products.

537
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: They make the MB traps. I could go on there

538
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: right now, Sam and buy Fox Piss, Bobcat Piss, Kyle piss.

539
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: I don't see any reason you couldn't have I haven't

540
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: seen it, yep. I don't see any reason you couldn't

541
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: have some buck Man juice tonight. That's a great idea, man,

542
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: all right, dog, I'll give you. I'll give you a

543
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: call and figure out how to work that up. Here's

544
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 1: a good news story that came in. Uh. This was

545
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: fed to me. No, No, my buddy Matt sent this

546
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: to me. Texas this is the deadliest state when it

547
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: comes to animal on human attacks five hundred and twenty.

548
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: This is amazing. Five twenty people in Texas were killed

549
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: by animals between nineteen and two thousand, nineteen. California's second place,

550
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: the most populous state. Bear in mind, the second place

551
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: but a distant second two hundred deaths during that time span.

552
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: The state that you think would be winning all this

553
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: is only in third place. Florida m closely trailing California

554
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: two seven deaths. What's the animals? I'm going to get

555
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: to that. What do you think the safest states are?

556
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Two or to makes sense and one doesn't? New Jersey,

557
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: New England state somewhere Rhode Island, Delaware, in North Dakota

558
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: m hm, yeah, I can see that not much folks. Yeah, yeah,

559
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: you had a little population, but I feel like they

560
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: kind of are out there mixing it up, like they're

561
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: out and about Dakota. That can kill you. Snakes, well,

562
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: guess guess what kills you in Texas? I know, but

563
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: dogs like feral dogs, dogs, mountain lions, and snakes were

564
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: registered among animals that cause deaths. We don't know that

565
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: which caused the greatest number. Yeah, I suppose two d

566
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: one out of the five twenty people. Okay, oh yeah,

567
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: so Rhode Island, Delaware, North Dakota during those twenty years,

568
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: no reports of animals killing people. Oh that's significant. But

569
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: see that's reported, so that who knows. But still I mean,

570
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: like right, yeah, it's definitely if someone missed one. I

571
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: don't know. In Texas, dogs, mountain lions, and snakes. They

572
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: don't do it relative to what But okay, two hundred

573
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: one out of the five hundred and twenty deaths, we're

574
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: from mammals, So not snakes for you people that aren't

575
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: hip taxonomy. We're from mammals biting or striking a person

576
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: perfection or like I could see if those feral hogs

577
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: down there, sure tearing people up. Yeah, they did kill

578
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: a person. Here's one for you, Phelps. You're ready to

579
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 1: be shamed. I'm ready. I was explaining to Jason Felts,

580
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: who was who was? Ah, not adversarial to the knowledge

581
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: I was given them, but had a lot of questions,

582
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: and I was we're talking about areas like in in

583
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: everyone knows that in in in hunting. In the hunting world,

584
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: we speak of an area having good genetics, right, like

585
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, there's certain areas that we know produce um

586
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: like for like uh consistently produced big box or big bowls,

587
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: and people be like, man, that place has great genetics.

588
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: And I was explaining that we did a podcast a

589
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: long time ago. I can't remember what number, so we

590
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: should look up that number, what number episode it was

591
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: with Keith Monteeth and and Um Kaufman Um from University

592
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 1: of Wyoming. UM. They've been doing a lot of research

593
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 1: that talk about nutrition being pro I I had to

594
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: go read listen to myself, but nutrition and stress being

595
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: perhaps a bigger indicator of an animal's ultimate growth. And

596
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: and then horn representation or horn or antler representation than genetics.

597
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 1: And talked about how you can take deer from an

598
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: area that supposedly have poor genetics, put them on the

599
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: ground like the nutrition and ground conditions and not them.

600
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: They don't turn into something, but a couple of generations later,

601
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: their offspring will, meaning that a buck. By the time

602
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: a buck hits the ground, it's sort of it's it's

603
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: fate might already be sealed depending on the body condition

604
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: of the dough in prenatal so like in development in

605
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: the uterus, and then how much nutrition she had while

606
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: during lactation that that that that dear's history is kind

607
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: of written at that could be like kind of have

608
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: already been written at that point, like that those months

609
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 1: could be like what that thing is gonna look like.

610
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: As a five year old, Jason was like, well, I

611
00:39:47,320 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: don't know about had lots of arguments. Listen to this

612
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: one because it comes from Baffle figure as well. He

613
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: said something he thought would be very interesting about prong

614
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: horned data in the Southwest. Now, with deer, it seems that,

615
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: like with deer, it seems that you're gonna throw your

616
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:21,879
Speaker 1: best antlers five six, seven years of age. Okay, pronghorn

617
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: um do it much quicker. In fact, it's seven. So

618
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 1: let let me back up and say this. So prong

619
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: horn are a horned animal that sheds its horn, like

620
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: the only yeah, they're the only horned animal I think

621
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: in the world that sheds its horn. So it annually

622
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: sheds its horn. So it's got a horn. But you

623
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: can kind of look at this, you know, it grows

624
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: over the years and it like sheds and a new

625
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: one grows up in its place. It's kind of already

626
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of this stinky, little black, little weird thing.

627
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: Growing under itself. So the sheath balls off and there's

628
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 1: another one already growing up in there. And when you're

629
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 1: out in the woods, are out in the prairie, you know,

630
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: out on the plans you'll find shed um. Pronghorn horns.

631
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: They don't laugh. They don't seem to last that long

632
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: on the ground. They kind of deteriorate, but they're saying

633
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: that um for a long time. The world record pronghorn

634
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: was a three year old from Arizona, Yep. Halfl Finger

635
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: says this, I'm doing a horrible job right now, but

636
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: just bear with me. Halfl Finger says this in a nutshell,

637
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: age is not the most important factor in producing large

638
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: antelope horns. Environment contributes to this annually replaced sheath, but

639
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: once animals reached three years old, there's no significant increase

640
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 1: over the next few years in horn size based on age.

641
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: It's just variation according to their nutritional condition during horn growth,

642
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: and some contribution from genetics. He goes on to say,

643
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: managing of population, the average age of pronghorn bucks. He's

644
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: using antelope and pronghorn synonymously here. Managing a population where

645
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: the average age of prong horn bucks killed is three

646
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: years old will not produce significantly fewer trophies than a

647
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: population managed for the average age of the buck being

648
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: six years old. At seven, they produced smaller horns. This

649
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: is very different from deer, in which antler growth peaks

650
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: between five and seven years old in both mule deer

651
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: and white tailed deer. Then he goes on to say, incredibly,

652
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: the longtime world record prong horn was three years old

653
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: from Arizona, but then I got beat by a new

654
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: Mexico buck. In ends with this little interesting thing. Pronghorn

655
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: are different critters. They are the last remaining species in

656
00:42:53,680 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: their entire family worldwide, as bart O'Gara, where the researchers

657
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: mentions they are not the same as serviants in many ways,

658
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: so we shouldn't be surprised by certain differences, such as

659
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,280
Speaker 1: the fact that yearling prong horn way more than eighty

660
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: percent of their adult weight. This is way different than

661
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: yearling bull elk that way only about fifty percent of

662
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: their potential adult weight. Well that belts for that, your

663
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: pipes for then your beagle tube and smoking I don't have.

664
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not an analope expert, so I mean

665
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean body size though, which now you just like

666
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: you ruin my whole argument I was building that time

667
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: I was listening, is but what about their bodies? You're

668
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: the kind of guy that when he's hearing something, I'm

669
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: formulating my before I'm even done. But then you like

670
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: you knock out right out of the park there with

671
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: that of their body weight, because you see those you know,

672
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: your bigger horn bucks, they're already you know, big bulky

673
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: size is compared to the you know, the does and

674
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: whatnot and um, yeah, so just doing my whole argument,

675
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: I can't argue with anything there. Did you do that

676
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: when you're arguing with your wife? Oh, I'm already Yeah,

677
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: I should probably stay like three steps ahead of it.

678
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: I should probably spend more time listening, but I'm instead

679
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: of listening, I'm just already formulating on like the last point. Yeah,

680
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm sitting there being like just I'm not sitting to

681
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: be like, I can't wait till she's done so I

682
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: can save my rebuttal that's I don't know much about antelope,

683
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: but I guess, I mean, it is what it is.

684
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: I could. I thought I was gonna get to argue

685
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,720
Speaker 1: like horn size against dear genetics, but pulled the antelope

686
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: card and I don't know anything about him, says they

687
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: shed shed him after the rut October through December. Antelope.

688
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: I haven't had this happen. I've killed him late in

689
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: the season where they feel kind of wiggly. I've had

690
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: guys tell me that they've gone up to him at

691
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: the tow towards the tail end of the antelope sees,

692
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: which stretches into October, that they've gone up to him

693
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: and we're dragging them by the horn and had the

694
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: horn sheaths pop off in their hands. Yeah, I've never

695
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: seen it. I mean, he's just that close to shed.

696
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: So there's another fully formed Oh yeah, then there's this greasy,

697
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: little hairy little horn under there. Yeah, it's kind of

698
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: weird pop off in your hand. Or they people being

699
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: out and seeing where they've they've shed, like they've they've

700
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: dropped one or whatever, you know. Yeah, I just looked

701
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: that up because I was wondering, like how long they'll

702
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 1: last on the ground before they disintegrate. And I've found

703
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: them before, but I'm trying to remember what time of

704
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: year it was, and I feel like it was spring

705
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: like hiking around and out east for turkeys and finding

706
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,720
Speaker 1: a couple of I found one in Wyoming. I found

707
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 1: one wild hunting antelope in Wyoming last year that looked

708
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: like an old dead piece of sage brush and you

709
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: couldn't was kind of crumble in your hand. I don't

710
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: know if they don't know how long they last. I

711
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: don't know when the hell that one felt. But I

712
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 1: just never got the feeling they last a long time.

713
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I found one last season to a skull, and then

714
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: I found a sheath and I have them both sitting

715
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: on my bookshelf right now, are you gonna put him

716
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: in the auction? I found one? I found one last there.

717
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: I found one last October that was not from that year,

718
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: and so it was probably a year old. What kind

719
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: of shape was it in? It was in good shape.

720
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's sitting on my window sill at home.

721
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: Do you want it for the auction? Hoodities we'll see maybe, yeah, probably.

722
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: It's a nice one. It's small, but it's cool. I

723
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: like that one had to school with it. Oh yeah,

724
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: we'll put it on there. I don't want to mess you.

725
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to mess your windows still up. It's

726
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: pretty cool window sill. It's got lots of cool stuff

727
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:57,000
Speaker 1: on it. All right, let's go it in there. Okay, um, chest,

728
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:02,839
Speaker 1: you will hand deliver that. It's gonna be a quick

729
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: in and out. He comes in. He's right here. It

730
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: told me to bring this here. Okay, one more thing.

731
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna cover one more newsy thing. But it's so complicated,

732
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 1: and we touched on it before. I want to just

733
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: tease it and then we're gonna get into it to

734
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: a greater degree later. But it has to do with

735
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: the thing. You're probably gonna be hearing a lot about

736
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: people getting all up in arms about it, and many

737
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: in my view, up in arms about it a little

738
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: prematurely and without thinking it through. And it's a it's

739
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: an initiative. It's known as thirty by thirty. What the

740
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: thirty by thirty initiative refers to is there's a goal

741
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: of conserving. Okay. So we talked about this for with

742
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Fosberg from Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Partnership was on and just

743
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: everybody knows, like I'm friends with it, I'm on the

744
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: board of trcp UH what was on and we discussed

745
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: briefly the concept of thirty and it's the goal of

746
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: conserving of the planet's lands and waters by twenty Now,

747
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: the Biden administration put out a thing about saying how

748
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,720
Speaker 1: thirty by thirty was a goal, and people immediately felt

749
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 1: that like thirty by thirty, the thirty Initiative and the

750
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: Biden administration are like synonymous, and it was a creation

751
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: of the Biden administration. It is not political and it

752
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: does not come from the Biden administration. It existed long

753
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: before the Biden administration. It's also not clearly defined. People

754
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: are hearing conserve of lands and waters and they're imagining

755
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: that it means like preserve. Okay, so their imagining it

756
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: means wilderness areas, national parks, monument stuff like that. That's

757
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: not the case. It is yet to be defined. But

758
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: any definition that comes up, in my view, has to

759
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: include well managed and protected working lands, and we talked

760
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: about that with WIT meaning ranches like cattle ranches within

761
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 1: conservation easements. Recreational properties so properties people owned for hunting

762
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: purposes that they have no plans when they sort of

763
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: rite up the legacy of the landscape how to move generationally,

764
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: that it remains as is, it remains as a recreational property,

765
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: doesn't get subdivided and developed. This this concept is important, Like,

766
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: it's important that we do this and get it right

767
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: for a variety of reasons, like to maintain good hunting

768
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: and fishing, to maintain bio diversity, to be prepared for

769
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: um increased changes in our climate by making sure that

770
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: we have a lot of habitat for wildlife to live on,

771
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: to have space to adapt. It's like it's a thing

772
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: that we need to help shape. But it's like a

773
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: concept that is not owned by any political party. It

774
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: will inevitably fall across partisan lines to some degree because

775
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,879
Speaker 1: people are going to view it as a land grab,

776
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: but no one's at this point, no one's grabbing anybody's

777
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: land like this. I think done properly, it's a great

778
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: goal and it's a good idea, and you should if

779
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: you like the hunt fish, you should pay attention to it.

780
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 1: If you're worried about private land rights, I think you

781
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: should be involved in the conversation about how this stuff

782
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: is going to be defined. Some of the t RCPs

783
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: viewpoints on it, they just want to know that, like

784
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: it was, it was born of scientists. They want to

785
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 1: see the concert avation must be clearly defined. It's critical

786
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: to understanding what, where, and how lands managed specifically for

787
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: conservation under public and private ownership and not just permanently

788
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: protected areas are contributing to the broader goals of thirty.

789
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 1: They want to know where we stand right now in

790
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: relation to the goal. The U S Geological Survey estimates

791
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: that estimates that twelve percent of the country's lands are

792
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 1: already permanently protected. Of US ocean waters, mostly in the Pacific,

793
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: are currently protected. How do we achieve the remaining eight

794
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: percent of land? Needs to be defined like what we

795
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: have now, what we're gonna need? They want hunters and

796
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: anglers to have a seat at the table. Says we

797
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: have a very long legacy of conservation stewardship and there's

798
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: no reason we would abandoned that now. And community driven

799
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: conservation is key. That's another point they have. Fresh water

800
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: needs to be included and thirty thirty should not ignore

801
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: degraded habitats that need restoration, Meaning instead of just saying

802
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: stuff that's already pristine needs to be held pristine, it

803
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: would be that stuff that is degraded habitat. While they've

804
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: habitats is degraded should be restored and added to the total.

805
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,839
Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about this a whole bunch more

806
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: coming up. But they have a thing, Uh, they put

807
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: out an article what hunters and Anglers need to know

808
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: about thirty by thirty As it sort of gains traction

809
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: and gains detractors. I think, why that felts you gonna

810
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: read up? Were you formulating a rebuttal or you're gonna

811
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,760
Speaker 1: read up on that? I just have so many questions.

812
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 1: Skepticism is the chastity the intellect right now? Just lots

813
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: of Yeah, lots of questions, like what checkboxes they get

814
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: it back to normal and you know, definitions, yeah, conservers,

815
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: and then like is there equity across like the West

816
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: versus east, Like at the west hold the whole entire

817
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: like percentage or does it need to be like spread

818
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: cool across you know the country and kind of how

819
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: everything fits. Yeah, in bear in minds, it's like, you know,

820
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: there's sort of like the global output, the global outlook,

821
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: and then there's like what we could do do we

822
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: shoulder more? I mean, we're a huge country. Do do

823
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: we just do our percentage? Do we shoulder more to

824
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: make up for people that aren't cant paying attention to this. Yeah,

825
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: that's tough, Like we can do, we do our whatever,

826
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: our twelve to We put all this effort in and

827
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: then and like the global you know, the global skime,

828
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. That makes it tough, Like you

829
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: still feel good about what you did. But does that change,

830
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: like the little change inside the US, does it? Does

831
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: it ultimately even matter in the in the global outcome

832
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: if nobody else is on board. I was a long

833
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: time ago imagining, um that there was a sort of

834
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: that there was room for a sort of Um, this

835
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: is gonna come off sounding weird and wrong, but I

836
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: haven't clearly defined it. There's room for a sort of

837
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: environmental nationalism. I feel, uh that that like part of

838
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 1: American exceptionalism. You know, if you sit and think, if

839
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:48,919
Speaker 1: you imagine America's being like the greatest country on earth,

840
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: with the greatest liberties political system whatever, that um, that

841
00:54:56,239 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: exceptionalism or that nationalism would lead to in you know,

842
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: an equal bit of environmental stewardship, conservation leadership, you know,

843
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: in that way, I would be like, uh, that we

844
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,240
Speaker 1: would aspire to do better than our share. But again,

845
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: and as we talked about what it really comes down

846
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: to a lot of things like you could have. Um,

847
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: I think people are automatically gonna reflexively think like, oh,

848
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: this is gonna be someone telling me what to do,

849
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: but it might be someone encouraging you, helping you do

850
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: what you already wish you could do. In terms of

851
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 1: recreational properties and all the hunting lands and ranch lands

852
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: and like, the point they make is how we take

853
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: places that aren't doing anything for wildlife and make them

854
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: good wildlife areas. I'm all for that. So it's not

855
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: just like peeling away from its order there, but like

856
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: creating it. I don't want people to ride away and

857
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: be like, oh, damn Biden. You know, there's all kinds

858
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: of reasons to be mad at Biden right now. But yeah, no,

859
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 1: I'm all for it. All right, Sam, it's your turn down.

860
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: You've been on the show before, Samantha Bates. Yes, I've

861
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: asked you this before. We can't remember what you said.

862
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: You actually prefer Sam. I don't have a preference, Sam, Samantha,

863
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:12,359
Speaker 1: anything's fine. Oh, this is the first time you don't

864
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: know how to quite how to put it. This is

865
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 1: the first time you've what what what how would you

866
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: call it? I don't know what title you would have

867
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 1: right now. Oh. Um, this is the first time that

868
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: I have produced and field produced a meat produced anfield

869
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: produced the media episode. Did it? Uh? What do you

870
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: think about that? Not to be in the first well, like,

871
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: give me, give me how did you feel about the experience? Oh?

872
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: Overall really positive? Um. I think it's just good for

873
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: me to be able to get out in the field

874
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 1: and be able to observe a little bit and kind

875
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: of see what everyone's roles are. So I'm looking at

876
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: this very much from a production standpoint of like, um,

877
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: how everyone's working and cohesively, you know, doing this together.

878
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 1: And I like this crew because everyone is so self sufficient. Um.

879
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,720
Speaker 1: And that's actually a rarity to find on film crewise.

880
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if Garrett and Lauren

881
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,399
Speaker 1: can speak to that a little bit more, but it's

882
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 1: a rarity for sure. Give me some more. What do

883
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: you mean by that, Um, there's a lot more hand holding,

884
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot more direction that needs to be offered. Um,

885
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: you know, holding people's water bottles, giving people their water bottles,

886
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: opening the caps to the water bottles. Like these are

887
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: real scenarios. The things that you get involved in. Absolutely,

888
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: someone needs to be helping people get them open. Absolutely,

889
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: And it's just kind of like, you know, you're never

890
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna ask me to carry your bow and arrow for

891
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: you or shoot an elk for you, because you're going

892
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: to do it. Like that's a thing that happens sometimes

893
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: on other sets. Absolutely, not the bow and arrows scenario,

894
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: but literally opening a water bottle for someone. Huh, and

895
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: you expected to be opening water bottles? No, Oh my god,

896
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 1: No I didn't. But I think I was pleasantly surprised

897
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 1: by how everyone owns their ship and you know, does

898
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: their role. It's just really awesome. Did you find that

899
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: you were, Um, just people know, we're in New Mexico,

900
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: we just finished an elk count got a couple of bulls.

901
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: Did you find that you were Did you feel like

902
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: in the normal day to day goings on, were you

903
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:33,919
Speaker 1: more working or more kind of like sort of into

904
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: the elk counton thing. Oh, it's an absolute combination. I

905
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,960
Speaker 1: really wouldn't be able because I'm I'm definitely thinking about

906
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: the story and how things are unfolding and maybe what

907
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 1: we're missing, And it's just interesting that also, um and

908
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: finally understand like how the story kind of um evolves

909
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: on these hunts. But I definitely felt like I was

910
00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: getting a little bit more in the hunting, and I'd

911
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: be like asking Seth and Chester were like, Okay, what's

912
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: happening right now? And um, you know, really intrigued by

913
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 1: Jason's calls and trying to figure out like why you

914
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: were using certain calls and win because there definitely seemed

915
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: to be a little bit of a pattern. Um. But

916
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: that was my first ever archery hunt, my first ever

917
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: elk hunt to witness, so um, everything was new to

918
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: me and I can't believe that we were in a

919
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: spot like this in New Mexico where we saw that

920
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,919
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. It wasn't the numbers like the numbers sure

921
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: like you can go places and see more meaning, oh,

922
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 1: there's two fifty of them all bawled up, and yeah,

923
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: that's looking extremely agitated. I've never heard that many elk before,

924
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: constantly throughout the night. And then however many run ins

925
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: you all had too, and how many times you could

926
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: call in elk, I imagine that's pretty unique. We had.

927
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: Let me think, let's say inside of rty yards, we

928
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: had well when we kind of got caught twice because

929
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: we called him in twice. I think it's condom as

930
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 1: to you, because who knows either way? He came in

931
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: twice one, two, three, four, five, six, six bulls inside

932
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: forty yards in how many days? Three four? Yeah, and

933
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,040
Speaker 1: that's short hunting days because it's so unbelievably hot. What

934
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: we get? Oh yeah, that one day I said, it

935
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: feels like kind of like abnormally hot. It was seven

936
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: that day. Yeah, it was misable, brutal. Can you give

937
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: people your your philosophy on hiding, Sam, It does not

938
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: matter what shoot I am on, whether it's for hunting

939
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 1: or anything else. I am hiding all the time. That

940
01:00:55,240 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 1: is like versus like Chester and seth hiding heads. They're

941
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: poked like most people. Would you tell most people to hide,

942
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,959
Speaker 1: but there's like an elk coming. They're not gonna hide.

943
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna like find a way to sort of you know,

944
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 1: be hidden, to see what's happening. Like the curiosity kills him. Yeah, No,

945
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 1: I am just because I don't want to ruin something.

946
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't had plenty of issues with Lauren

947
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: where like he'll be filming and then all of a sudden,

948
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,240
Speaker 1: you'll see me just like crouch down to the ground.

949
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: I just I'm hiding all the time, I said, I

950
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: asked her about a bullet. Did you see that? No,

951
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: I was hiding. I was doing my job. I saw uh.

952
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 1: And then yeah, the one thing is you had to

953
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: help with. You had to do the pack out as

954
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: your first pack out was. It's too Yeah, my first

955
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: Elk pack out. We used to have not used to

956
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 1: like it's a thing we'll talk about, like a death

957
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,760
Speaker 1: march um and we're trying to define what constitute the

958
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: death march, and Yanni fells it it's not a death

959
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 1: march until there's a fight, and the fights are always

960
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: about one thing, routes, And he says, it's really a

961
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: death march when the group splits. And I felt like

962
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:23,960
Speaker 1: you were all you were within you know, fractions of

963
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: an inch of witnessing the death march yesterday because there

964
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: was some descent, there was some route descent. Does does

965
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: nighttime play a role in the death Yeah? The worst

966
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: death march I've ever been involved in was just never

967
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 1: ending involved dirt. I hope the statue. I don't know

968
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: what the rules are Mexical, but dirt. It was the

969
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: night that dirt killed a quail or the trek and

970
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 1: poll Oh my gosh, just venting some of that frustration.

971
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,680
Speaker 1: Uh actually bagged himself quail. The trek pull or later

972
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: overheard him described someone as a nightbird. You couldn't remember

973
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: what it was, um, but wondering all over the place

974
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 1: in the dark in Mexico and event you at one

975
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: point we come across one of the like three million

976
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: rocks we had passed that day. It's like a headsized

977
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: rock and dirt. Have no audacity to say I remember

978
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: that rock crew split that on that there was a split. Yeah,

979
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 1: when you get into someone's like I'm out, I'm out,

980
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm going this way. That's a death march. Um, so

981
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: I'll not like you would go again. You do not

982
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: tell me now? Oh absolutely yeah. I had a great experience.

983
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it. Um. You guys are all relatively

984
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: fun people to be around it again and you're like

985
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: all the camp and I love all the camping. I

986
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,960
Speaker 1: would say. My thorn of the trip was that damn

987
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: tent that brought with me. UM tip to everyone, if

988
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan gives you a floorless tent, don't take it

989
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:10,800
Speaker 1: because it's lighter. I'm not going to be ideal. The

990
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: pauen Mights could get to you that way. Yeah, yeah,

991
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 1: it's yeah, we got into some kind of we're trying

992
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: to research it a chigger like thing that's not quite

993
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: a chigger. You get bit by everything though. It's my

994
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: real weakness. You called it a souped up jigger. Yeah,

995
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: it seems like some sort of spider bite. Yeah, half

996
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 1: of us got lit up. Pretty good, bad news, Okay, Jason,

997
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: give you give you rundown on what what went on there?

998
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 1: You're like, I haven't been I haven't hunted out with

999
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: you yet. No, I knew that you were. Like when

1000
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,480
Speaker 1: I think that I explained it for I think that Yanni,

1001
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: in my mind, Yanni was sort of like a godlike

1002
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: figure to me for alcoholm because one day he called

1003
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: all down three or four bulls in and I was like, man,

1004
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,760
Speaker 1: this guy like he's just good. I thought, yeah, I

1005
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: thought he was good. Well he's not. Because then Yanni

1006
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: came to me and Yanni talked about Jason Phelps the

1007
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: way he thinks about you, the way I think about him. Yeah,

1008
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: this this area is good first off. And I think

1009
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 1: I was recapping and that's why I got down here early,

1010
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,480
Speaker 1: just want to make sure we were in elk Um.

1011
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: But these out almost made my job too easy. I

1012
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: was telling you last night, I didn't have to go

1013
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 1: through like progression two or three or like what do

1014
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: I do next? Because he's elk. We're just, oh, they're

1015
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: just gonna eat up the first thing we threw at them,

1016
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 1: and it was it was it was almost too easy. Yeah,

1017
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: that bull that you got yesterday. I've never had this

1018
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: feeling going into an elk, but once we kind of

1019
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: like knew where like pinpointed sort of topographically where he was. Um,

1020
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:55,960
Speaker 1: you never feel this way. But I was like, as

1021
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 1: we're like going in walking in, I'm like this bull

1022
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: will come yeah, and like I knew we were going

1023
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: to call the bullet. Yeah, the only thing we need

1024
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: to do is be quiet so we could get to

1025
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: that hundred hundred fifty yards, which we did, and it was,

1026
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, it was a guarantee at that point. Once

1027
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 1: we I think we let one lip ball off. I

1028
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: let one lip ball off and then I kind of

1029
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: put my bigle tube away maybe maybe too, and then

1030
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 1: let you do it. That way we could get him

1031
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: close enough to us, and it was just it was

1032
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: one of those things where the UM, I think we

1033
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 1: even said it before, we're gonna sneak in on him,

1034
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna surprise him, and then we're gonna you know,

1035
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: challenge him kind of, and that's what we did. UM

1036
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: kind of went to a two man caller there and

1037
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 1: it was it was just it was a great hunt.

1038
01:06:33,200 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 1: Lots of bowls, UM. I think the only I was

1039
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: trying to remember last night, the only bowl that we

1040
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: tried to call in and we didn't was the satellite

1041
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: bowl right before you ended up UM killing your bowl. Uh.

1042
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: You know, everything that we set up on I think

1043
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: we called to boat range, you know, as far as

1044
01:06:49,800 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: UM you know what we were trying to do besides

1045
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: maybe that bigger bull running up the mountain, which we

1046
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: didn't really ever get set up on. But UM, it

1047
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: was a fairly unique situation. But the I don't know

1048
01:06:58,360 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: if we just hit the rut right or what, UM,

1049
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: but it was it was a fun hunt. We had

1050
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 1: a really interesting thing play out. It kind of played

1051
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: all over two days, I think, but primarily on one

1052
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: day where we had another hunter working the out. We're

1053
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 1: working Doug. Yeah, and it was amazing to watch UM

1054
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: to be able to watch a bull. So we're watching

1055
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: the bull on the hillside and there's a guy approaching

1056
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: it from one direction and we're kind of approaching it

1057
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 1: for another direction, and to watch the elk ignore his

1058
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 1: bugles yep, like that if it's not right, like the

1059
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:43,040
Speaker 1: elk would ignore it and would return every one of

1060
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: Jason's bugles. He's like something about it, like I don't

1061
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: know what it is. I don't think. I don't know

1062
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: if he thinks like, oh, that's a person whatever. It

1063
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 1: just doesn't it didn't trigger in him like that guy's

1064
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 1: bugles did not trigger in him what years did, to

1065
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: the point where I have multiple times he would like

1066
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: the other guy would bugle, and the elk would look

1067
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: that direction and go to like maybe bugle, and then

1068
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: you'd cow call or bugle and he just a completely

1069
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 1: divert his attention and you could draw it back in.

1070
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 1: And there's something about like the authenticity of the sound

1071
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 1: was so much more compelling to that out now that

1072
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: he never did, like he paid attention to and bugle that,

1073
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: but you could like trigger a response out of him

1074
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,919
Speaker 1: every single time. Yeah, I want to maintain some humility

1075
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: in this. This next comment but there is a huge difference,

1076
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: Like if you don't sound, I mean, we would hear

1077
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 1: that guy right out of the gate, and like I

1078
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 1: think we called it right off the bat, like that's

1079
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: a guy he's doing stuff that really elk don't do.

1080
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: He was lip ball chuckling, he was doing Explain what

1081
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: that means. So lip ball a lot of times, especially

1082
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: it's more prevalent down south, but all bulls will lip ball.

1083
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 1: It's kind of a very um unique sound that the

1084
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 1: bulls will make where it's almost like a rattle, you know,

1085
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:56,639
Speaker 1: as the bugle. It's you know, as it goes through um.

1086
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: And we replicate that by sputtering our lips really really

1087
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:04,000
Speaker 1: tight um. And and so usually they just do a long,

1088
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,640
Speaker 1: drawn out lit ball and then they go kind of

1089
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: back to their clean chuckles. Yeah, but he was lip

1090
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: ball chuckling. I don't even know how, you know. And

1091
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: it's a noise that I've never heard in the woods,

1092
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: no matter how many times I've I've did this. And

1093
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 1: so if we can pick that up that easy, wouldn't

1094
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:22,560
Speaker 1: you think like the creators of the language would be

1095
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,040
Speaker 1: able to pick it up just as easily or better.

1096
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 1: At one point you commented that you could hear that

1097
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: he had saliva in his bugle tube. Yeah, I mean

1098
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: like he had some spit bubbles or something, because you'd

1099
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: hear him go to like start his biggle, and I'm like, well,

1100
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: that's he's He's got like air bubbles and saliva trapped

1101
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: in his read or whatever he's using. And so we

1102
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: kind of played like the reverse Marco Polo game with

1103
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,800
Speaker 1: that guy, like just hear him biggle and then try

1104
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 1: to stay away from him and mess with his home. Dude.

1105
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 1: It made me massively self conscious, man, because, uh, when

1106
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: we like, can you remember those um everybody had one

1107
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: heal black premost bite and blow calls from whatever the

1108
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 1: late nineties, I guess like everybody had the same one

1109
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: in the hyper the hyper lip. I remember we used

1110
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: to you know, there's all kinds of wrong ways we

1111
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: would approach it in the late nineties we first started

1112
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 1: doing it, but we would regard blowing that as a

1113
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 1: way to get the outgoing the other way. But if

1114
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: you wanted to send them the other direction, blow that,

1115
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, and not that's not hacking on that's like

1116
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 1: absolutely not hacking on premos calls. That's like wrong sort

1117
01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: of like wrong call, wrong time, not understanding what you're doing,

1118
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 1: you know. And and added to the fact of like

1119
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 1: a lot of people also doing that and creating a

1120
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: sort of signature, um, creating a sort of signature that

1121
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: things would start to associate with a certain kind of trouble.

1122
01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: There's probably people that could have at that time taking

1123
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: that call and called in all kinds of bulls with it,

1124
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: but we just like weren't thinking about it the right way,

1125
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 1: weren't employing it at the right moment, you know. So yeah,

1126
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: not a hack in any respect, but it was amazing

1127
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 1: to watch, Um, you do what you do. And the

1128
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 1: biggest thing is like, like you describe that sort of

1129
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: been a very aggressive style elk hunting, but it's not.

1130
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 1: It's that's almost under selling it. It's like aggressive, but

1131
01:11:25,080 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: it's so authentic. Yep, it's you know. And and I'll

1132
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,720
Speaker 1: go back to like second Chester that very first night. Um,

1133
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: I think it was the second ball we had called

1134
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,560
Speaker 1: in got very the real big bull that got what

1135
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,680
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen yards from you bumped or didn't bump he

1136
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: you were just getting ready to squeeze. Oh he picked

1137
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: me off out the corner of his eye. Never even

1138
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: turned his head. But this just goes one of the

1139
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: things where like it, I don't know if it drove

1140
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: these guys nts. I could tell they were a little

1141
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: bit like anxious that we were like lead because that

1142
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: bowl had kind of seen us. Then we were aggressive.

1143
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: We were going to the next Beigning Bowl, right, We

1144
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 1: had just kind of and I think we had walked

1145
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: by maybe a hundred yards of that bull just staring

1146
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: at us. But it was one of those things where

1147
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: that's my style. We've got another bull, bigling that has

1148
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 1: no idea we live on the earth right now, and

1149
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 1: and this bull has obviously seen us busted. He's a

1150
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: little bit nervous. He's kind of went rogue and they

1151
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 1: were like, hey, hey guys, there's that ball right. You know,

1152
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: they could see it, and we had seen it already, um,

1153
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, before he ran off. And it was one

1154
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:23,840
Speaker 1: of those things where we're so aggressive that I'm willing

1155
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,880
Speaker 1: to like forget about the bowl that we just had

1156
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: very very close because we're moving on to the next

1157
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: bowl that is going to be easier to call in

1158
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,720
Speaker 1: because we've just kind of screwed this one up. Oh yeah,

1159
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: it's hard for a fellow to walk away from a

1160
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: bull that's a hundred ten yards away. That's a big

1161
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,280
Speaker 1: old six point, yeah it is. But that's just kind

1162
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: of that style where I've already wrote that off, like

1163
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: we can try him again in the morning, because we've

1164
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: just we've had him at twelve yards, he's seen us

1165
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,600
Speaker 1: at eighty. Um we tried to call him back in.

1166
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: You know, he did that bark chuckle, which you know

1167
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:58,040
Speaker 1: scared everybody, you know, just a very very aggressive sound like, hey,

1168
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,120
Speaker 1: something wasn't right there. I didn't smell you guys, but um,

1169
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 1: I tried to bark, chuckle back and do some of

1170
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: my tricks, but he just wasn't gonna pull. You know,

1171
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:06,720
Speaker 1: he knew something was wrong about the bush that he

1172
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: came around and seen you know, Steve at and almost

1173
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 1: killing him. Yeah, he was kind of gone. And so

1174
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: you know, that aggressive style kind of not only plays

1175
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 1: into too moving in to call a bull in, but

1176
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: also like bypassing elk or hey that night, um, I

1177
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:25,320
Speaker 1: had seen that same bowl, I believe, rip across the

1178
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:28,120
Speaker 1: meadow and leave his cows, and we just kind of

1179
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: ran at him like we're gonna bump his cows completely

1180
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: after you know, out of this area, because after he's

1181
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:36,000
Speaker 1: done running up on the hill and chasing this other

1182
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: little bowl away, he's gonna come back to his cows

1183
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 1: and guess what, we're gonna be sitting on him. So

1184
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: stuff like that where people are like, oh, I don't

1185
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,800
Speaker 1: want to scare this elk because they're so content here

1186
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,680
Speaker 1: and they don't know we're here, Like, heck with it,

1187
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 1: let's just let him see us, like I'm gonna wave.

1188
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I think I was waving my

1189
01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: beagle too at him, like get the heck out of here,

1190
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: and we want you to go right and not left, like,

1191
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: don't go back to your bowl, go right, because this

1192
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: is the way I'm going to set this plan up.

1193
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: And sure enough he came back, but he did a

1194
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 1: big old circle and came back the wrong way. But um,

1195
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 1: it's just stuff like that. Um you know that that

1196
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: one day me and Garrety said, Hey, this is gonna

1197
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 1: a little bit aggresive. I'm just gonna run at this bowl, um,

1198
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 1: you know. And and it's just different things that and

1199
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: it's tough to explain, like every situation sometimes it depends

1200
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: on you know, what can see you, what the terrain

1201
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: looks like what the vegetation looks like. But um, that

1202
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 1: bigger bowl we called in um the night that that

1203
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 1: we got to sixteen yards. Uh, he had kind of

1204
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,560
Speaker 1: got behind a pile of brush, but he expected to

1205
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:33,720
Speaker 1: see an elk there, and I think he kind of

1206
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: got nervous. Hey, I'm really close to you guys, and

1207
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 1: I can't see anything nothing that resembles an elk. He

1208
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 1: kind of froze. He went back to his cows. We

1209
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 1: had some really good terrain. I said, Hey, let's just

1210
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 1: run at this thing. And so I mean, you let

1211
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 1: out a nasty lit ball and you cover thirty more

1212
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: yards because that might give you a different lane and

1213
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: it might also trigger that bowl. So there's just stuff

1214
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,839
Speaker 1: going through your head all the time on every situation.

1215
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: But I would think if you can, you know, put

1216
01:14:57,840 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 1: underlying any word, it's just trying to keep that a

1217
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,400
Speaker 1: aggressive style UM on all of our calling, you know,

1218
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: and what we did most of the time, like the

1219
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: boy yesterday, Like it can be considered aggressive because we

1220
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 1: got really close, but it really was a pretty conservative play.

1221
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 1: You know. We made a big loop on him. We

1222
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,559
Speaker 1: got close, but then we went way the hill out

1223
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,719
Speaker 1: of the way. To come in with the right wind

1224
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,360
Speaker 1: the right elevation, and then didn't call until we sort

1225
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: of had an idea of how he would approach, what

1226
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:27,080
Speaker 1: the wind was doing. That was all very very calculated,

1227
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,680
Speaker 1: and you know, if we would have went right at

1228
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,679
Speaker 1: him like we had kind of mold over, the wind

1229
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 1: was right to come at him from you know, downhill

1230
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 1: and go up to his point. But we also knew

1231
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,880
Speaker 1: that by time we did that, the winds probably gonna switch,

1232
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:39,720
Speaker 1: you know, And so we were making very calculated, very

1233
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: um you know, conservative decisions to make sure that whatever

1234
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: we did we could control every aspect, you know, and

1235
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: as long as that bowl didn't move, we were going

1236
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: to have a very good shot at him. Um. One

1237
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:50,800
Speaker 1: of the things I think about when I think about

1238
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,320
Speaker 1: the aggressiveness is, and this is based a lot of

1239
01:15:54,360 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: my own experiences. UM, I don't care where you go.

1240
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 1: You go the most heavily hunted area, Okay, a lot

1241
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: of pressure. But when you're watching elk Off in the distance,

1242
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 1: there's things that are doing. Bulls rake brush like high

1243
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:13,599
Speaker 1: pressured bulls rake brush, yep, high pressured play grab bass.

1244
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: They chase each other around, they knock rocks, they bust branches.

1245
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: They make a lot of racket. You hear them right,

1246
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: It's like they might be very attuned to human pressure

1247
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: and they don't want anything to do with people, and

1248
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 1: one whiff of a person is gonna send them. But

1249
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 1: when they think they're safe, they make noise yep. And

1250
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: maybe they don't bugle like late in the morning whatever,

1251
01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:40,840
Speaker 1: but at night whatever, they might not bugle a lot,

1252
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: but they make some noise. But then for some reason, um,

1253
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: you get into them and you know they're skittish and

1254
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:55,000
Speaker 1: you're soul full of paranoia that you in some way

1255
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: your caution prevents you from creating the atmosphere that you

1256
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: personally watch them create around themselves, because you're like you

1257
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,560
Speaker 1: you kick a rocket, you know what I'm saying. But

1258
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,720
Speaker 1: then when you watch it was like there you can

1259
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,120
Speaker 1: hear him a hundred yards away sometimes chasing around when

1260
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: the bulls like chasing cows, running other bulls off. They

1261
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: might not be bugling, but they're doing all this stuff.

1262
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 1: So to then get in where you get in, like

1263
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,040
Speaker 1: you get into his bedroom, you watch him going you

1264
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 1: know where he's betted. He bugles a little bit beds down.

1265
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 1: It's like you know where he's at and then you're

1266
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 1: gonna like sort of quietly and cautiously mimic another bull

1267
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 1: encroaching on his space. But if you watch that happen,

1268
01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,120
Speaker 1: he's not doing it quietly and cautiously. I mean he's

1269
01:17:42,120 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: in there banging ship around raak and brush. Yeah, so

1270
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 1: you're kind of like you're you're sort of like it's

1271
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,040
Speaker 1: not that you're like you're not being more aggressive than LK.

1272
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: You're sort of acting like what a bull X like

1273
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 1: when he's pissed. Ye, when he's like confronting another bull,

1274
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,400
Speaker 1: he's doing ship. Yeah. The only time I try to

1275
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: reserve like any of that he's making is trying to

1276
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: just get to my setup because it's a little bit

1277
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: of element of surprise. Like I'll get in really quiet

1278
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: and then like, oh you know that to that boys,

1279
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: Oh ship, there's a bull right here that quick, Like

1280
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: I have no other option but to go check him out,

1281
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,360
Speaker 1: you know, or lose my cows um, you know, but

1282
01:18:14,479 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: packing the bulls out like there's I got to learn

1283
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 1: really quick that. You know, my bulls wasn't a monster.

1284
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 1: But you can't walk there's no clear lane. I mean,

1285
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,560
Speaker 1: just to carry that with the horns. I mean that

1286
01:18:23,600 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 1: elk's got to try to navigate. He's knocking brush every step. Um,

1287
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 1: you know, we're rolling rocks, but as soon as we

1288
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: start to call, I'm not. I'm not opposed to you know,

1289
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: sticks break and rocks rolling. Matter of fact, in both

1290
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 1: of my setups, I ended up being turned a little

1291
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,120
Speaker 1: bit wrong and had to turn myself. I don't give

1292
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: a crap about you know, rolling a rock or kicking

1293
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 1: a rock as I moved, Like, all of that's okay.

1294
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 1: The only if they're really close, i'd maybe be concerned

1295
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 1: with him like pin pointing exactly where I am, or

1296
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: like drawing to that noise of a rock rolling. But um,

1297
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of already know where we're at

1298
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 1: anyways from our calls. Like they're very they're their Doppler system,

1299
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:00,040
Speaker 1: their their sense of like specific location of where that

1300
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:03,680
Speaker 1: sound is, like you know, very very good. Um, they

1301
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: know exactly what tree you should be sitting behind based

1302
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: on where that veagle or that cow call came from.

1303
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: One of the things I saw from Yanni was that

1304
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: if we're calling, had a bull hanging up seventy eight

1305
01:19:15,320 --> 01:19:17,479
Speaker 1: yards out kind of walking trying to figure out why

1306
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: I can't see anything is dropping off a roll in

1307
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: the hill. So the shooters set up, but Yannie drops

1308
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 1: off where he's beyond down in a little hole or

1309
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 1: beyond something that can't be seen, and he'd put a

1310
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: pair of you know, pull on some gloves, yep, and

1311
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:38,160
Speaker 1: rake brush because it's funny because the bull you're watching

1312
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 1: and brush and then and that makes him and then

1313
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, wanting to come because he can't confirm.

1314
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,000
Speaker 1: That makes him need to change position because he can't

1315
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: confirm where it that's coming from exactly. And that felt

1316
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: to me like at first, like che's man, I'll be

1317
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:57,120
Speaker 1: doing that, dude. Yeah, I'm like, well he's doing it. Yeah.

1318
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: And on those situations we didn't that where I was

1319
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,120
Speaker 1: mentioned like we don't have to go to progression two

1320
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 1: or three and do any of this stuff. Um, but yeah,

1321
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: what is progression two or three? So like that, that

1322
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 1: is a lot of times these bowls will hold up,

1323
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: which I try to prevent from that set up. But

1324
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: we can set up on a roll of a hill

1325
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 1: or a hard edge like on your bowl, a hard

1326
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: edge of brush versus open Like if you can set

1327
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 1: up to to shoot that edge, then you don't get

1328
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: a lot of hang ups. But that bowl the way

1329
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: it works, you know, and and while you know in

1330
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: the wild, if we're not involved, is that bowl is

1331
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: is he's being expects at other bowl to come a

1332
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: certain distance um or if we're actually gonna get him

1333
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,560
Speaker 1: to commit. As soon as he gets to that vegetation

1334
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: break or that roll in the hill and and can

1335
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,360
Speaker 1: see where that cow or that bowl, whatever is calling

1336
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 1: to him should be, he's done. Like he's not going

1337
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,840
Speaker 1: to commit that open space of a hundred yards or

1338
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,240
Speaker 1: in in you know Yanni's case seven or eighty, because

1339
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: he's now hung up. He's not gonna come like look

1340
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: behind the tree. Yeah, he's done. And so that's why

1341
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: we try to set our shooters up to to prevent

1342
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 1: all that. But no progression two is that fall back,

1343
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 1: Like if we have hung up, we've got him to

1344
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 1: commit to so far, but he's like he's drawn an

1345
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 1: imaginary line and I'm not coming past this. A lot

1346
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: of times we will start to do those fade you know,

1347
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 1: fade vehicle back, rake brush, but then once we get

1348
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: to a certain distance, will kind of do like the recharge.

1349
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:13,519
Speaker 1: We will come back at him biggling like we're coming again,

1350
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 1: We're coming to get you and maybe get him to

1351
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: pull you know, that extra distance. We were in an

1352
01:21:27,479 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 1: area where the Forest Service, for I don't know what

1353
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: the hell I was asking Seth about this. I don't

1354
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: know what the motivation was. Maybe probably just wildlife work

1355
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:38,519
Speaker 1: Right had done some like beautiful thinning wildlife, you know,

1356
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: overall forest health or timber quality. I don't I don't

1357
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,439
Speaker 1: know what it was for, but it was like like

1358
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 1: they created like a beautiful sort of like grassland savannah.

1359
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 1: It looked like they had maybe prescribed burn that area

1360
01:21:49,240 --> 01:21:52,479
Speaker 1: too at some point in time. Freaking gorgeous man. Yeah,

1361
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: for like great turkey elk and there, elk, we're in there.

1362
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 1: There's some water there too, which obviously makes it all possible.

1363
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 1: But beauty, Hilaria. But even before we started hunting, you

1364
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:10,920
Speaker 1: were talking about not liking that from a calling perspective,

1365
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: very very difficult because you could see three yards in

1366
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:18,240
Speaker 1: every direction. You were like trying to get the situation

1367
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 1: where um they had to come in and couldn't really

1368
01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 1: ascertain what was going on until they got ys And

1369
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 1: we want to have him very close and and you

1370
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: pull that off because we had like very close encounters. Ye. Yeah,

1371
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 1: and that's just idea, Like if you can meet him

1372
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: at the edges, is where we want to meet you,

1373
01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 1: not out in the middle of a you know, something

1374
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:45,040
Speaker 1: that's very consistent both you know, whether it's a steep slope,

1375
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: you don't want to be on a consistent step slope.

1376
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: You don't want to be on a consistent flat slope.

1377
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: You don't want to be on a consistent like vegetation.

1378
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 1: Because even if you pile yourself in a big pile

1379
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: of brush, um there there's no there's no like definitive

1380
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: line he needs to get to. So it's very hard

1381
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 1: as a hunter to know where to set up um

1382
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,599
Speaker 1: or you know, the heavy brush also kind of screws

1383
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,720
Speaker 1: up your shooting angles where you may give yourself one

1384
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 1: or two. Yeah, we had we had one setup. The

1385
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,400
Speaker 1: only set up we had that made me like not nervous,

1386
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: but we got it was kind of we were kind

1387
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 1: of forced into the situation. But we got a place

1388
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: where there was in most respects zero visibility, one shooting lane,

1389
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,719
Speaker 1: but a very well defined trail. And for a minute,

1390
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:25,799
Speaker 1: I thought, this ball is going to come down this trail.

1391
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: The brush was starts. He was not gonna see me.

1392
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 1: The wind was good, but he was gonna be for

1393
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 1: me to you when he got there under ten yards,

1394
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:36,679
Speaker 1: and I remember being like, this is a little tight. Yeah,

1395
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: that was. That was the only even when I even

1396
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: walked down on and you saw, I had to walk

1397
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: downhill and break one stick because that was my one

1398
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 1: place to shoot. Snapped one stick out of the way,

1399
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 1: and then back back up, thinking I'm basically gonna stick

1400
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: the broadhead against his flame if he kept coming though. Yeah,

1401
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: that bowl, he did something a little interesting. He he

1402
01:23:58,479 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's trying to get the wind

1403
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: on us or he wouldn't commit to come down, Charil.

1404
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 1: That was the one scenario where I started behind you calling,

1405
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: ended up going down below you calling, and by time

1406
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 1: we were done, I was in the shooting lane calling

1407
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: because he did a big circle and I was trying

1408
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 1: to pull him through, you know, keep you between me

1409
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,560
Speaker 1: and that bowl the whole time, and ultimately he just

1410
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: he walked the whole top and we we just reset

1411
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: up on that one in a better location. Um, because

1412
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: that bowl didn't for some reason, that was the one

1413
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 1: that didn't come, just like boiling in um how he

1414
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: had drawn it up. So that was the one recircled

1415
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: and then just reset up and worked really really well.

1416
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,600
Speaker 1: Do you know the one there's one in counter and

1417
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 1: I still haven't got your feelings on to find out

1418
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: what you were thinking. It was one where the other

1419
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: hunter was kind of working them too, but that big

1420
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,880
Speaker 1: six point that had the cows on that open hillside,

1421
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 1: you were like reticent, and I know I was reticent

1422
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: about not wanting to get in on the other hunter's groove,

1423
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 1: but you were kind of also reticent about something about

1424
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: the So he was in the wide open, him and

1425
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:57,760
Speaker 1: his cows were in the wide open. We had no

1426
01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 1: way we would have had to. We couldn't go towards him.

1427
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 1: We couldn't go like towards him into the right. Our

1428
01:25:03,640 --> 01:25:06,559
Speaker 1: only play would have we would have had to back

1429
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,559
Speaker 1: out and go way around him. And you know, you're

1430
01:25:09,600 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: just looking at the time you're looking at you know,

1431
01:25:12,160 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 1: we've spent some time messing with him. I just it

1432
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,360
Speaker 1: was one of those things where whether it's gut or not, Yeah,

1433
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 1: maybe we could have ran up there and maybe in

1434
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:20,400
Speaker 1: an area where there weren't so many elk. We would

1435
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 1: have if that was our only play we would have

1436
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:23,720
Speaker 1: tried it, we would have backed in, but we would

1437
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: have had to come through the same route that the

1438
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: other color was, you know, other hunter was going through. Uh,

1439
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 1: and then we would had to try to beat him

1440
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: up the hill for that wind to change. So there

1441
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 1: was just a lot going on on that one where

1442
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: it just didn't seem like the odds were kind of

1443
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: in our favor if we were to approach that. You know,

1444
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,519
Speaker 1: we tried it for a little bit, thinking that I

1445
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: think I had ranged you know, used the range finder

1446
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,360
Speaker 1: on it means about four h yards away, which isn't undoable. Um.

1447
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:50,080
Speaker 1: We just that was the same situation where he wasn't

1448
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:51,880
Speaker 1: paying any attention to the other color. He would look

1449
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 1: at us every time I threw everything at him, you know,

1450
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: lip balls, you know, as much cow call as as

1451
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 1: I could give him, you know, kind of everything in

1452
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: my arsenal, and he just really wasn't gonna budge and

1453
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:03,680
Speaker 1: leave his cows. Um. So that was that was one

1454
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: of those ones We're gonna have to bring it all

1455
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: the way to him, and it was just kind of like, man,

1456
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the right approaches, and so we

1457
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:12,920
Speaker 1: just kind of looked at him for a while, and

1458
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 1: in a different way, you talk a lot about that

1459
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,400
Speaker 1: you don't really know what you're gonna do. Oh yeah,

1460
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:20,639
Speaker 1: I just I'm flying by the seat of my pants

1461
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: half the time, just kind of what what I feel.

1462
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,560
Speaker 1: But if you like imagine that you I feel that

1463
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,360
Speaker 1: that's not true. You know, you're flying bout some of

1464
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:30,880
Speaker 1: your pants. But like talk a little bit like what

1465
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 1: do you what are the things that you like? Even

1466
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 1: though it's a there's a computation going on in your

1467
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:38,840
Speaker 1: head and maybe you don't understand it the same way. Well,

1468
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 1: when you're going about daily life, Uh, you'll get a

1469
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,440
Speaker 1: feeling that I have a feeling that person is agitated.

1470
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 1: Why I don't know, just something about yeah, and then

1471
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: you I don't know why. I just like the alarm

1472
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:55,080
Speaker 1: went off of my head that this person is like agitated. Um,

1473
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:57,479
Speaker 1: And it's hard to art later articulate what it was

1474
01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: that was going on. So if you had to kind

1475
01:26:59,880 --> 01:27:03,360
Speaker 1: of get into your own mind and get into, um,

1476
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:11,000
Speaker 1: what is being computated in your head about the animal's mood,

1477
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, like take a stab at it, like like

1478
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 1: what do you what are you kind of basing on.

1479
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 1: So we're when you're weighing his when you're weighing his

1480
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,240
Speaker 1: opinions and weighing his mood. I'm gonna get all kinds

1481
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:23,680
Speaker 1: of help for this, but I'm gonna start off by

1482
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: prefacing it with I don't play into like this el

1483
01:27:27,720 --> 01:27:31,240
Speaker 1: is saying something specific with this call. I I don't

1484
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 1: buy into chuckles mean we're rounding up cows. I don't

1485
01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:37,559
Speaker 1: believe that this, this bigle here is a bowl trying

1486
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: to round his cows up. I don't believe that this.

1487
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's a few things I know, like grunts

1488
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: or or alarm barks means that he's just either seen

1489
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 1: you or heard you and can't figure out what the

1490
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 1: heck you are. You know, there there are certain things, um,

1491
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 1: but you know, I've I've heard bowls chuckling that are

1492
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:53,360
Speaker 1: just mad at the other bowl. So I don't play

1493
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 1: off of that. I I play more off of temperament.

1494
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:59,320
Speaker 1: And there's a lot of testing um that goes into that,

1495
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of like throwing shan lures like spinner you know, bottom,

1496
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, jig, you know, top, top, bait, whatever, just

1497
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: trying to see what's gonna work. And so there are

1498
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:10,320
Speaker 1: I do it on everything even from my location bugles, Um,

1499
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,759
Speaker 1: you know, all throw the high note out first, ann answer,

1500
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go to like a low mid

1501
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: note didn't answer. Now, if I really feel that there's

1502
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:18,760
Speaker 1: an elk there, I'm gonna throw a lip ball at

1503
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 1: him just to see if he's going to answer that.

1504
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:22,800
Speaker 1: And I started to pick up on that, you're sort

1505
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,760
Speaker 1: of like your locator sequence yea, did yeah, did the

1506
01:28:26,800 --> 01:28:29,560
Speaker 1: high one work yes or no? Did the the the

1507
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 1: the low note kind of mid note work yes or no? Almost?

1508
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 1: And then you're going to like a lip ball if

1509
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: I think there's an elk there. Um, So we kind

1510
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: of run through progressions. Then I kind of used that

1511
01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:42,559
Speaker 1: all the way through um the scenario. And and as

1512
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 1: we've set up a lot on this hunt, I was

1513
01:28:44,120 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 1: able to see a lot of what was going on

1514
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:48,479
Speaker 1: or get very good audio feedback from the elk, you know,

1515
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 1: through their answers. And so I would say, if you

1516
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 1: look at it, like what's in my bag at tricks

1517
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,679
Speaker 1: for cal calls, I've got you know, the ss wine,

1518
01:28:56,680 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 1: which I did a lot just the real right yeah,

1519
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, kind of wavy, kind of not your traditional calmu.

1520
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,320
Speaker 1: We did some calf calling just to kind of add

1521
01:29:05,400 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: some social you know, volume to the situation, like there's

1522
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: more elk here than just the cow. We did some

1523
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: just normal calmuns. Yeah yeah, you know, and then we

1524
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: did some buzzing there were The buzzing is kind of

1525
01:29:17,600 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: always my last chance, especially if you've got multiple bowls coming,

1526
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: or a bowl that's just kind of not really hung up,

1527
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: but we just can't get him the pool. I would

1528
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: try to use that to add some excitement. Um, you know,

1529
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: that cow really needs some you know, somebody needs to

1530
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:33,559
Speaker 1: come check on her. And so if you look at

1531
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,720
Speaker 1: like my cal call bucket, I've got those. I I

1532
01:29:35,800 --> 01:29:37,519
Speaker 1: stick with that estrus wine a lot and see how

1533
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:41,200
Speaker 1: they react. Um and and even in our bigle situations,

1534
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to throw a cow call

1535
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 1: in at some point. Uh there. Now, I may be

1536
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,160
Speaker 1: a hypocrite because there might have been some this this

1537
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: time where it was just straight bugling, but you need

1538
01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 1: you can't think of any time when you did. You

1539
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 1: need to give that bowl some incentive to come over,

1540
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: like unless he just wants to come fight or sparred,

1541
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,799
Speaker 1: because he wants to, you know, test out how powerful

1542
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,120
Speaker 1: he is or what his abilities are you're not giving

1543
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 1: that bowl any reason to come, like, check you out.

1544
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,720
Speaker 1: If you're just a bull randomly vehgling and you're not

1545
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:12,920
Speaker 1: presenting him with something he's losing. Yeah, he's just well,

1546
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: we can just sit here and bigle back and forth.

1547
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:16,400
Speaker 1: There's nothing for me to come check out over there

1548
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 1: and see if I can still hear cow. So I

1549
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: always try to throw some mix of caw calls in

1550
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,600
Speaker 1: and a lot of times, um, if I'm able to

1551
01:30:23,680 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: get in close and quiet enough, well we'll maybe reserve

1552
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,160
Speaker 1: that cal call for later. Like I want my very

1553
01:30:29,240 --> 01:30:31,599
Speaker 1: first vehicle in my head. If I can just piss

1554
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: this bowl off and startle him and be like, oh shoot,

1555
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:37,479
Speaker 1: somebody's right on me, you know, and they're here and

1556
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:39,479
Speaker 1: I've got cows or whatnot, then that I need to

1557
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:40,880
Speaker 1: go defend that. So a lot of times that will

1558
01:30:40,920 --> 01:30:43,479
Speaker 1: kind of get it started. Um. On the bagle side,

1559
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:46,600
Speaker 1: it's really just um, I use the lip ball is

1560
01:30:46,920 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: an aggressive sound. You know, a lot of times, I

1561
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 1: don't know how many times this trip I had to

1562
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: use the lip ball. If a bull is interested to

1563
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: a point that maybe he gets the sixty or seventy,

1564
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: and I've seen him turn like, oh, shoot, he's losing

1565
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 1: trist Like I hammering with the lip ball within like

1566
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,439
Speaker 1: the first step of him turning, Um, that's my like

1567
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 1: get your ass back here, call um, we're not done yet.

1568
01:31:08,600 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 1: And so in my head, like if I ever see

1569
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: a bowl turn like, that's instantly a lip ball situation. Um.

1570
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:19,120
Speaker 1: And and a lot of times I'll add very temperamental

1571
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,600
Speaker 1: like emotional grunts to my ending of that, like the

1572
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:24,800
Speaker 1: first one maybe a little lighter second, and then like

1573
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: the third one, I'm really hammering on the grunts, like

1574
01:31:29,360 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, trying to like add some intensity into those grunts,

1575
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: even like everything I'm doing is got like a little

1576
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,120
Speaker 1: bit more purpose on. I'll like, hey, get your ass

1577
01:31:38,160 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 1: back here. But then there's times where you're just to scream, um.

1578
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're just screaming at the bowl really short

1579
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 1: two to three second vehicles, like you're really if he's

1580
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,720
Speaker 1: eating those up, I'll stay with those um. And then

1581
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of like intricate sounds, especially that first

1582
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,200
Speaker 1: night I know I was using like the bigger bowl

1583
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: that came in was breathing heavy. I could hear him

1584
01:31:58,040 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 1: at like fifty or sixty, and so I was kind

1585
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:03,840
Speaker 1: kind of breathing across my read, which, like I said,

1586
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:07,000
Speaker 1: I want to maintain some humility here. But there are

1587
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 1: guys that couldn't figure out how to even make that

1588
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,400
Speaker 1: sound on a read, you know, or a diaphragm, where

1589
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,560
Speaker 1: if I, if you have the ability, I I just

1590
01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,479
Speaker 1: matched him and that's where that mimicry came. And he

1591
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: was breathing heavy, like well, I'm gonna breathe heavy over

1592
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 1: top of the red and it's just a real slight

1593
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: subtle sound, but deep breaths um, you know, really really

1594
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,599
Speaker 1: hollow chuckles that all throw in a lot of times,

1595
01:32:26,640 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: I've observed when a bull rakes a tree, we're doing

1596
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,280
Speaker 1: a lot of raking. Um, you know, I'm trying to.

1597
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: Of course, I was a dummy most of the time,

1598
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 1: set up calling for you, and I'd sit next to

1599
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,439
Speaker 1: the tree with no limbs. I'm like, well, yeah, I

1600
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: don't got any I don't have any trees to rake,

1601
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 1: but I'll stomp the ground or whatnot or break a

1602
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: few limbs. But just adding a lot of times a

1603
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: bull or break a tree, you know, maybe forty five

1604
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:48,479
Speaker 1: seconds a minute, two minutes. And he comes out of

1605
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: that with a chuckle, or a bagle like he come,

1606
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: and so it's just trying to put everything together exactly

1607
01:32:55,320 --> 01:32:57,560
Speaker 1: how how I've seen it done in the woods. So

1608
01:32:57,800 --> 01:32:59,519
Speaker 1: all right, we break a tree. I picked up my

1609
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 1: beagle to when I give like a hollow chuckle y um,

1610
01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:03,920
Speaker 1: same thing. You know, there were times when you were

1611
01:33:03,960 --> 01:33:05,720
Speaker 1: beating on a tree when when I was calling, I

1612
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:07,519
Speaker 1: would let you just finish your aching and I would

1613
01:33:07,560 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: do a chuckle just to kind of keep that that

1614
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: scenario as realistic as possible. Um. But yeah, a little intricacies.

1615
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if I explained it well kind of

1616
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 1: why I do what I do, but it's it's also

1617
01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 1: it's a progression of well, let's try, you know, our

1618
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: our normal challenge bagle, and then we'll try a lip

1619
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: ball and then we'll try and just kind of see

1620
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:30,960
Speaker 1: what's working on that specific oak. I had a guy

1621
01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm like email friends with right in one day wrote

1622
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: me a letter explaining that he was worked up, like

1623
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 1: kind of worked up about Phelps game calls. He says,

1624
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: everybody's not Jason Phelps. So people that want to like

1625
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:48,960
Speaker 1: do like Jason Phelps, but they don't have like the

1626
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: skill he has has resulted in a lot of guys

1627
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:54,200
Speaker 1: running around trying to act like egg roller callers, but

1628
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: they just have no idea what they're doing. I'm blamed

1629
01:33:57,360 --> 01:33:59,679
Speaker 1: for like ruining the olkret by a lot of people,

1630
01:33:59,720 --> 01:34:02,719
Speaker 1: like everybody in those damn felps tubes and know nothing

1631
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:05,720
Speaker 1: beagles anymore and nothing works, And it's all you guys,

1632
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,040
Speaker 1: damn fault for promoting biggling. You know, a lot of

1633
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:10,000
Speaker 1: guys think that you should just walk in and calcol

1634
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 1: i guess um, but yeah, what's what's your take on that?

1635
01:34:15,160 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: If done wrong and you and if you're educating the elk,

1636
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:22,599
Speaker 1: it could be very detrimental to just walk I mean,

1637
01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: if they associate your bugle with they smell or being seen,

1638
01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:30,599
Speaker 1: a can screw up areas and and that bowl will

1639
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: become educated. You know. I think you can get away

1640
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,040
Speaker 1: with it once and maybe kill him the second time.

1641
01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 1: But if he if he experiences like you're sent and

1642
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,720
Speaker 1: being called in all you know multiple times, that bowl

1643
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 1: is gonna be very very hard to kill there there.

1644
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: You know, they might not be the smartest critter, especially

1645
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: during the rep, but they're smart enough not to get

1646
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 1: killed by you. Um, you know, and you think that

1647
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 1: that would move over even to it even like that

1648
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:53,960
Speaker 1: a that a good caller would have a hard time. Yeah,

1649
01:34:54,040 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean we I feel that if you're a good

1650
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 1: caller and can sound like elk, you know, like a

1651
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,720
Speaker 1: real elk as much as possib bowl, then then it

1652
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,040
Speaker 1: maybe helps you get over that that hump of I'm

1653
01:35:05,080 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 1: a very distinct color. I can maybe fool him once

1654
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,120
Speaker 1: but maybe never again. Versus if you sound like a

1655
01:35:09,200 --> 01:35:11,080
Speaker 1: real elk, what more can you do? Like, how is

1656
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:12,639
Speaker 1: he going to now be able to tell that you're

1657
01:35:12,680 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 1: a person versus a real elk if you're that good.

1658
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: And so that's why I don't think you need to

1659
01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,360
Speaker 1: be a great caller, but there I I also believe

1660
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: that it can, you know, help you out in the woods. Dude, listen,

1661
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:28,839
Speaker 1: I think that being like a good caller like yourself,

1662
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:37,719
Speaker 1: it's pretty advantageous. It was. It was amazing to watch man. Thanks,

1663
01:35:37,880 --> 01:35:43,160
Speaker 1: it was amazing to watch. Yeah, And that's where like

1664
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so like concerned, And we asked the

1665
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:49,200
Speaker 1: hiders a lot, like I think I had a conversation

1666
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: with Seth like, you don't have to tell me I'm

1667
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: good just because I'm asking you. But I want to

1668
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 1: know for myself because if I can get better, I

1669
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 1: want to know on the bowl that that I was

1670
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,800
Speaker 1: able to take yesterday. Um, I think they had, you know,

1671
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: a hundred yards behind me. They were telling us like

1672
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: they could tell, you know, when I vehicle, they could

1673
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:06,000
Speaker 1: tell when you ve agle. But then I'm like, well,

1674
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:07,800
Speaker 1: that's fine if you know who I am, but or

1675
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: which one I was? But was it accurate? Like was

1676
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,840
Speaker 1: there something in my bugle that I can work on?

1677
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 1: And that's just like my pursuit of perfection And they

1678
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: probably got some feedback on that, but well, there there

1679
01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 1: was that one time where we kind of got separated

1680
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: from you guys and we're going off that hill. There

1681
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 1: was elk Buglan everywhere. I was like, I don't know

1682
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,800
Speaker 1: which one is. Jason. It's like, I hope we're not

1683
01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,519
Speaker 1: screwing something offer. But in that same setup, that's that

1684
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,000
Speaker 1: set up that you guys didn't kill that big bowl.

1685
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: We were quote unquote hiding and Sam was actually hiding,

1686
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: but we're I was able to watch that bowl leaving

1687
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,720
Speaker 1: with his cows. And I don't know if it was

1688
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 1: when you ran at him or lip bald, but he

1689
01:36:53,960 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: was leaving with his cows, and I saw him spin

1690
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:03,840
Speaker 1: on a dime and go right back to the timberline.

1691
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:08,720
Speaker 1: That's because I ripped a bugle, which was cool to

1692
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: see because that was like, obviously you he was leaving,

1693
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:14,800
Speaker 1: but he heard something that was like whoa, I do

1694
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:18,439
Speaker 1: not like this turn on a dime and went right

1695
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 1: back to that tree. Yeah, And so like in that situation,

1696
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,640
Speaker 1: I guess you canna elaborate, maybe spend. Like in that one,

1697
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:24,640
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, this bull's got cows and you could hear him,

1698
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: and you guys could see him. I I could hear

1699
01:37:26,520 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 1: him around and cows up. He would run up on

1700
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 1: this little knob, try to grab a cow and push

1701
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: her down. Well, there was so much chaos there. I'm like,

1702
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: I can get away with running at him, and he's

1703
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: got his cows, so like mismanaged right now that if

1704
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 1: he thinks I'm gonna come in and like swipe one up,

1705
01:37:39,479 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: maybe that would be enough. Like hey, i don't care

1706
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,559
Speaker 1: about my cows all around them up later, but I'm

1707
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 1: at least gonna stop this guy. And so that's kind

1708
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: of what's going. But that's one of those things where

1709
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: it just you know, the pursuit of perfection. Like, I

1710
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:54,320
Speaker 1: don't feel there's any better way to call Elkin than

1711
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:57,280
Speaker 1: to actually sound as much like a real Elk as possible.

1712
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: And I don't want to give my own prod ex

1713
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 1: plug here, but I think that metal beagle tube like

1714
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: truly is a little bit of a differentiator between some

1715
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: of our old plastic tubes. Um, by all means go by,

1716
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: our old plastic tubes are great, but but that metal tube,

1717
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:15,760
Speaker 1: it just got something to it where I feel like

1718
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 1: I can no longer tail like on my grunts or

1719
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: lip balls that I'm calling through a plastic tube. The Uh,

1720
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,240
Speaker 1: there's a thing that I know something I make the

1721
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:31,599
Speaker 1: comparison all the time. Uh, in aspects I did see

1722
01:38:31,720 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 1: multiple times, aspects of turkey hunting and al calling it.

1723
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,280
Speaker 1: It annoys people because it's like like it's just different,

1724
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,599
Speaker 1: but there's some similarity in that there's a couple areas

1725
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 1: of similarity that calling turkeys. There's a thing that happens

1726
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 1: at a certain proximity, Like at a certain proximity, it's harder,

1727
01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:52,519
Speaker 1: it becomes harder for it to ignore you, right, And

1728
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 1: there is that that um, you're at times mimicking a

1729
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: female Okay, you're uh, you're exploiting like the sexual desire

1730
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: of the animal. Right, there's there's certain overlaps. You go out,

1731
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 1: you listen to figure out where you're gonna go. You

1732
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,639
Speaker 1: sort of pick a bird. You're gonna try to work.

1733
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: You're picking up you're gonna try to work. Um. So

1734
01:39:16,120 --> 01:39:20,640
Speaker 1: there are like undeniable similarities. They don't nearly amount to

1735
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:23,439
Speaker 1: the number of differences, but there's some reference points there.

1736
01:39:24,040 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: In Turkey hunting is a thing that everyone resorts to.

1737
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: You hear it all the time. Was like the old

1738
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,599
Speaker 1: silent treatment, right that you'll get you'll be hen calling

1739
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,040
Speaker 1: to a bird, to a gobbler, he's goblin's ass off.

1740
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,519
Speaker 1: But after why I realized that, like he's gobbling, he's

1741
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:42,120
Speaker 1: having the time of his day. Uh, he's probably strutting.

1742
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: And he realized that, like he's really enjoying himself. I mean,

1743
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 1: like he doesn't he's not in your head. He's like

1744
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: he won't come in whatever. He's just like he's thinking

1745
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: that he's doing what he's supposed to be doing. He's like,

1746
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,679
Speaker 1: what what more can I do? I'm gobbling, I'm strutting.

1747
01:39:56,400 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 1: Why is the hen not coming over here? Like I'm yeah,

1748
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 1: this is great. Any minute she's gonna show up. Um,

1749
01:40:02,360 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 1: And then you do the old silent treatment, thinking that uh,

1750
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,880
Speaker 1: you know whatever it is, Yeah, curiosity, you'll kill him

1751
01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: and he'll come over to see what the hell happened.

1752
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't know I do it. Oh yeah, I can't

1753
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:15,600
Speaker 1: tell you. I don't know. I can't tell you like

1754
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,960
Speaker 1: empirically that it works. But it's like one of the

1755
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,560
Speaker 1: plays in the playbook. I kept waiting for you to

1756
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:25,560
Speaker 1: at times do that, but you don't do that without I.

1757
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:29,360
Speaker 1: I have like the patience of like none. And so

1758
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: the times I tell myself I'm gonna wait like five

1759
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: seconds to calcol or five minutes to calcol usually get

1760
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 1: about thirty six seconds in and I'm calcol again. Um.

1761
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: The only time I tried to like stagger things out

1762
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:44,679
Speaker 1: was when we set up on the bowl right before

1763
01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:47,360
Speaker 1: the bowl that you ended up killing that one. That

1764
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 1: was kind of I tried to put time in there,

1765
01:40:49,800 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 1: but it's just I feel like that time of nobody talking,

1766
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:57,800
Speaker 1: either me or that bowl is giving him a chance

1767
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: to get away without me knowing what the heck is

1768
01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 1: going on, And so like that pause, like did he

1769
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,040
Speaker 1: just did he now just walk a hundred yards away

1770
01:41:05,040 --> 01:41:07,200
Speaker 1: from us. And I didn't know because I sat and

1771
01:41:07,320 --> 01:41:09,479
Speaker 1: waited for three minutes until I let a call out.

1772
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:13,559
Speaker 1: So there's maybe there's some like anxiety on my side

1773
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: that if we don't keep him talking, uh. But but

1774
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:19,840
Speaker 1: then there were times where I also realized on that

1775
01:41:19,920 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 1: specific bowl that if I if I cow called five

1776
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 1: or six times in a short time, he would stop.

1777
01:41:25,680 --> 01:41:27,400
Speaker 1: He would only answer the first cow call right, and

1778
01:41:27,439 --> 01:41:30,680
Speaker 1: then the other five were kind of just extras or

1779
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:32,280
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. But then if I would wait a couple

1780
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:34,479
Speaker 1: of minutes, he would then respond again. So it was

1781
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: like he was only answering that first round of cow calls. Um.

1782
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,400
Speaker 1: And that was the only bowl I think I didn't

1783
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:41,960
Speaker 1: biggle at maybe tell the end because I lost his interest.

1784
01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: We couldn't even get him to answer a caw call

1785
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:46,160
Speaker 1: after what twenty minutes of you guys being set up.

1786
01:41:47,320 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, we try the silent treatment a lot, but

1787
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,280
Speaker 1: more that's more of like progression three or four, Like

1788
01:41:53,400 --> 01:41:55,320
Speaker 1: we never got there to the point where these things

1789
01:41:55,360 --> 01:41:58,000
Speaker 1: were just is he there? Is he hanging up? Do

1790
01:41:58,080 --> 01:42:00,800
Speaker 1: we need to be quiet? Do we need to uh? Yeah?

1791
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: So so why I think they're they're you know, similar

1792
01:42:03,520 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 1: to tricky out and there's a lot of being quiet. Um.

1793
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm not good at it, and I try to try

1794
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:09,799
Speaker 1: to make a play where there's a little noise involved.

1795
01:42:10,120 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 1: I feel like I asked you about this one in

1796
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,800
Speaker 1: the past. This is my last out question for you.

1797
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: I'll see if these, uh, these fellas happeny for you.

1798
01:42:17,400 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: But we talked about the past, like sometimes you rip

1799
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:26,639
Speaker 1: a bugle and at least it's People discussed this as

1800
01:42:26,680 --> 01:42:28,320
Speaker 1: being true. You rip a bugle and it just and

1801
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: it it pushes the bull away. Not that he's like

1802
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:34,760
Speaker 1: as a person, but it could be that he doesn't

1803
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 1: feel like having a confrontation. And we had one where

1804
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't we couldn't really tell if they winted us.

1805
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: It didn't seem like they did, but there was a

1806
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:43,240
Speaker 1: bull that would respond. But then when we got eyeballs

1807
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:46,879
Speaker 1: on him, everybody was just going in the other direction.

1808
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,800
Speaker 1: Do you think that, uh, do you think that that's

1809
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,720
Speaker 1: the thing that they are They just bail because they

1810
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: don't want to deal with another bull. I find it

1811
01:42:55,520 --> 01:42:59,559
Speaker 1: more in like you're semimature bulls, Like if he's been

1812
01:42:59,800 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to somehow peel some cows off of a herd.

1813
01:43:02,520 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 1: You know, we were hunting boll There were a couple

1814
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 1: of herds I guess with seven or eight cows, But

1815
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 1: the majority of these bulls here there's a high bowld

1816
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 1: of cow rat that they've got very small herds, Like

1817
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 1: even the big bulls are running four or five cows,

1818
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: like two cows and a calf is like their harems.

1819
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: So you take a semimateur bowl that's been able to

1820
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 1: peel a few cows off that bowl is less confident

1821
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,799
Speaker 1: in his ability to probably defend those defend his possession

1822
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:32,040
Speaker 1: of those cows. So if you announce that you're coming

1823
01:43:32,280 --> 01:43:35,120
Speaker 1: to him and that you're getting closer and closer by bugles,

1824
01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,880
Speaker 1: that guy's best option is to grab his cows and leave,

1825
01:43:39,439 --> 01:43:42,840
Speaker 1: like avoid the confrontation completely. Now, if you can get

1826
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,040
Speaker 1: him to answer, he will sometimes answer for four or

1827
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 1: yards away and just hold tight because he's just kind

1828
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: of you know, social talk like hey I'm here, well,

1829
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 1: hey i'm over here. But if you were now to

1830
01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:54,800
Speaker 1: be quiet and kind of guessed where he was at

1831
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 1: and then sneak in on him, you've now taken away

1832
01:43:57,840 --> 01:43:59,800
Speaker 1: his ability to like round his cows. Up and leave,

1833
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 1: and so that's kind of why we try to use

1834
01:44:02,160 --> 01:44:04,120
Speaker 1: it's kind of surprised, but we know he's there, so

1835
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:06,519
Speaker 1: we know it's gonna be you know, it's a surprise

1836
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:08,200
Speaker 1: from our end, but he doesn't really know. He's getting

1837
01:44:08,240 --> 01:44:10,479
Speaker 1: set up um for us to be that close and

1838
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,920
Speaker 1: give him, you know, it's that whole fight or flight response.

1839
01:44:12,960 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: We're giving him like no other option but to fight

1840
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 1: or just run away and leave his cows to us. Yeah,

1841
01:44:18,080 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: or you're close enough that if he moves thirty yards

1842
01:44:22,280 --> 01:44:25,040
Speaker 1: to investigate, he's in your zone. Yeah, yeah, you're there.

1843
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:26,960
Speaker 1: And so that's where a lot of what we did

1844
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:29,080
Speaker 1: was just you know, we fought the wind a little bit,

1845
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:31,120
Speaker 1: not too much. New Mexico treated us pretty well with

1846
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: pretty consistent winds. There was a couple of days where

1847
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 1: our morning hunts were tough because we were coming off

1848
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: the top trying to go down. But yeah, just get

1849
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 1: the wind right, semi right, and then um moving close

1850
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: otherwise otherwise that biagle could potentially just scare them off

1851
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: and then you're like dang every time. You know. That's

1852
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,840
Speaker 1: where that's where I think the bad, the bad reputation

1853
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: for biggling comes in as everybody's like, man, I'm bagled

1854
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:53,400
Speaker 1: at this bowl and he just took his cows and

1855
01:44:53,479 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: ran away. Well, did you do it from five yards

1856
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 1: and then fo two hundred your whole way in? Or

1857
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:01,240
Speaker 1: did you then go silent, get close and be and

1858
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 1: it's it's a different it's a completely different message, sinding

1859
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,800
Speaker 1: versus beagle in your whole way in. We had um

1860
01:45:08,439 --> 01:45:10,160
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. I was hunting with my

1861
01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:12,519
Speaker 1: brother two years two was it two falls ago? I

1862
01:45:12,520 --> 01:45:14,120
Speaker 1: ain't two falls a go either way. We watched the

1863
01:45:14,160 --> 01:45:16,400
Speaker 1: bowl all morning and tried to call him in, and

1864
01:45:16,439 --> 01:45:20,080
Speaker 1: he had a bunch of coles with him and eventually

1865
01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:23,280
Speaker 1: bedded down. It would bugle a little bit from his bed,

1866
01:45:24,120 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: and we worked him all morning from different angles, but

1867
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: he betted in such a place that we could like

1868
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:32,160
Speaker 1: drop a pin on where he was come around the

1869
01:45:32,240 --> 01:45:34,599
Speaker 1: air direction. I mean we got seventy five yards somewhere

1870
01:45:34,640 --> 01:45:37,880
Speaker 1: he was bedding, and my brother snuck out a little

1871
01:45:37,880 --> 01:45:42,400
Speaker 1: bit ahead of me and one bugle and he you know,

1872
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 1: my brother killed him at like twenty yards. But that

1873
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:46,920
Speaker 1: was all morning trying to give him to do stuff.

1874
01:45:46,960 --> 01:45:49,040
Speaker 1: We were down below. He's on the Hillside was just

1875
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:51,640
Speaker 1: that one minute where somehow he was like what in

1876
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:54,360
Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah, and there it got up, you know,

1877
01:45:54,520 --> 01:45:55,840
Speaker 1: But it was just like we were like in his

1878
01:45:56,320 --> 01:45:58,519
Speaker 1: in his zone, man, you know what I mean. And

1879
01:45:58,560 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 1: then we got him to do what we could not

1880
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,439
Speaker 1: and we couldn't get them to take one step in

1881
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: our direction all morning. But he was betted. The cows

1882
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:06,400
Speaker 1: are betted around and at that minute he's like for whatever,

1883
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:09,120
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm gonna go there and look real protective.

1884
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,200
Speaker 1: We didn't have to get into whole lot of bedroom strategy,

1885
01:46:11,240 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 1: but they're very protective of their bedroom. When you get

1886
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 1: that close to him and his cows. What do you guys?

1887
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Got you any questions? I got an observation. Um, the

1888
01:46:21,200 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: other thing I really like like being with you on

1889
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 1: on these hell counts where you're calling. It's like I

1890
01:46:27,400 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 1: get riled up the more you're reacting to the the other, Like, so,

1891
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're a Coelcra bull bowl out

1892
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:38,200
Speaker 1: with my body at the barbie and like empathize with you,

1893
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:40,800
Speaker 1: empathize with the bulls? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and and the

1894
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,720
Speaker 1: like you know how like a conflict with humans will

1895
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:47,960
Speaker 1: slowly escalating people start check like yelling over each other.

1896
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: Jason would do the same. Like initially there'll be the

1897
01:46:51,680 --> 01:46:54,439
Speaker 1: pauses of like this is who I am, this is

1898
01:46:54,520 --> 01:46:56,840
Speaker 1: what I got, and then when he gets like fired up,

1899
01:46:56,880 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 1: you'd like step on his his like like when we

1900
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:06,599
Speaker 1: were arguing about nutrition. Yeah, just yelling over each other

1901
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:10,320
Speaker 1: and and then that that physically would bring them in.

1902
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,880
Speaker 1: It's just it's really cool being able to watch that

1903
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: or feel it. Yeah, even fuel the energy up. Yeah,

1904
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 1: and like oh yeah, like the real you know, it's

1905
01:47:20,280 --> 01:47:22,920
Speaker 1: getting like heavy when I'm like quickly reaching for my tube,

1906
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 1: like damn it. If would have had that in my hand,

1907
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:25,640
Speaker 1: that would have been better off. But I'm trying to

1908
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 1: grab it as fast as I can. And I shouldn't

1909
01:47:27,960 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: have said it that, but yeah, it's you start the

1910
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:32,639
Speaker 1: conversation out cordial and then you you end up piste

1911
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:34,040
Speaker 1: off at him by the end. That's kind of what

1912
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:37,360
Speaker 1: you're and I I, as a by standard, was getting

1913
01:47:37,360 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 1: piste off at him too, Like can tell what's up, Jason,

1914
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 1: don't take that ship. I've I've got a m so

1915
01:47:47,320 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people, at least myself and

1916
01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that I know are hunting elk

1917
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: that have been called to quite a bit fairly high

1918
01:47:56,479 --> 01:48:00,720
Speaker 1: pressured areas, and the key to killing those elk with

1919
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:05,320
Speaker 1: calling strategy is sounding like a real bowl For people

1920
01:48:05,400 --> 01:48:09,720
Speaker 1: out there, what would you say are maybe the three

1921
01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:14,360
Speaker 1: main notes or calls or like the three three or

1922
01:48:14,439 --> 01:48:18,479
Speaker 1: four main takeaways that the people can practice to sound

1923
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 1: like a real you know, a real elk. I mean

1924
01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,680
Speaker 1: like breaking brush is great and then not a lot

1925
01:48:23,720 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 1: of people you know probably think of that as much.

1926
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, I've got a very very good buddy, that

1927
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,800
Speaker 1: very successful el hunter, and he doesn't call near as

1928
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:34,640
Speaker 1: much as me. He's as aggressive as I am, but

1929
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,120
Speaker 1: he he feels that he can get the bigger bowls

1930
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,920
Speaker 1: to break just with breaking brush and making noise. Um.

1931
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:45,320
Speaker 1: You know, you pair that I would sounding like a

1932
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,439
Speaker 1: real elk is gonna take a ton of ton of time. Um.

1933
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 1: You know, we've we we've got products that we try

1934
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: to use, like the easy bugler Um to really cut

1935
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: that learning curve down to make you sound as realistic

1936
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:58,560
Speaker 1: as possible. But they're still gonna be stuff left on

1937
01:48:58,600 --> 01:49:00,360
Speaker 1: the table. You can't lip ball through it like you

1938
01:49:00,439 --> 01:49:02,240
Speaker 1: can in there are certain situations right be dead in

1939
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:04,599
Speaker 1: the water. Without that, um, I'm not gonna be able

1940
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,200
Speaker 1: to give you a great answer. I would say, if

1941
01:49:06,200 --> 01:49:08,600
Speaker 1: you can perfect just your normal col mu, get it

1942
01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 1: very very clean and um, and then you need to

1943
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:15,000
Speaker 1: have some sort of a challenge bugle. But there there's

1944
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 1: no easy way to sound as realistic as possible without

1945
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:20,840
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I mean a lot of I think

1946
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 1: your elk hunters picked their calls up, you know, a

1947
01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:25,760
Speaker 1: couple of days before season and they go out and

1948
01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 1: they're they're good enough. Um, but the first first you

1949
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:32,080
Speaker 1: bake it on your dashboard for a while, yeah, in

1950
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:36,320
Speaker 1: late August, let him melt, and then you call it

1951
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:41,120
Speaker 1: stop signs, called the red light. So you know, it's

1952
01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:43,400
Speaker 1: a guy that's dedicated the last twenty years of my

1953
01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: life to you know, being the best elk caller I can,

1954
01:49:46,240 --> 01:49:49,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of people don't have that time, you know,

1955
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:51,759
Speaker 1: to mess with it. But um, you know between external

1956
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 1: cow calls, um, figuring out one or two good bugles

1957
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:56,720
Speaker 1: and it's just you know, a lot of practice. But

1958
01:49:56,800 --> 01:49:58,640
Speaker 1: I would say it's for I would go in with

1959
01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: an an you know cow call, maybe an extrus wine,

1960
01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,479
Speaker 1: going with a challenge bugle, and then going with like

1961
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 1: a high pitched, clean locator bugle and and get very

1962
01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:09,880
Speaker 1: good at those three calls. I remember, what's type of

1963
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: golf where you can only pick like two clubs or something.

1964
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:16,599
Speaker 1: It's like, there's like a certain type of golf where

1965
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 1: you can take like three clubs and play the whole course.

1966
01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: But that's that's yeah, that's like minimalist golf. Yeah, yeah,

1967
01:50:22,360 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: you pick your three clubs that you need. God No,

1968
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,920
Speaker 1: I've drank beer and chased my golf ball around and

1969
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:32,679
Speaker 1: deep stuff a couple of times, but never golf. That's

1970
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,160
Speaker 1: not It seems like the golf industry would not like

1971
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:37,040
Speaker 1: a kind of golf where you don't have to have

1972
01:50:37,120 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 1: a lot of clubs. It's some special kind of tournament,

1973
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:44,000
Speaker 1: I think. But but that's like, you know, there's a

1974
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 1: volleyball where you can't touch it with your hands only

1975
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,080
Speaker 1: because you were telling me about it the other night.

1976
01:50:48,080 --> 01:50:50,040
Speaker 1: You have to like use your feet. We're sitting at

1977
01:50:50,040 --> 01:50:52,280
Speaker 1: a bar in airport, me and South and I was

1978
01:50:52,479 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 1: surprised the volleyball is on TV, and then realized I

1979
01:50:55,360 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 1: couldn't figure out what seemed weird about it, and never

1980
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:02,599
Speaker 1: realized that they couldn't use their hands. It's like, man,

1981
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:04,559
Speaker 1: these guys are leaving off one of the best tools

1982
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:13,000
Speaker 1: in the toolbox. You'll spite. Yeah, so those three a

1983
01:51:13,080 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: good cow call, a good challenge, biogle in to the

1984
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: locator and then figure out what tools you need to

1985
01:51:18,040 --> 01:51:19,720
Speaker 1: make that. There's a bunch of different ways to do it.

1986
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:22,600
Speaker 1: But man, that lip ball was effective though. If you

1987
01:51:22,640 --> 01:51:25,120
Speaker 1: can get that down, yeah, I mean, that's that's one

1988
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:30,120
Speaker 1: of those main tools. Where like to the least two

1989
01:51:30,160 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 1: the bowls I've seen turn and they were leaving like

1990
01:51:33,560 --> 01:51:35,479
Speaker 1: I've had enough, I don't believe you, I can't see you,

1991
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 1: and hit him with a lip ball, and it's that's

1992
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 1: one of the most special things to see. And we

1993
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:45,080
Speaker 1: saw it a couple of times. Uh. To see one

1994
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 1: leaving and then change his mind and come back, it

1995
01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: is pretty incredible. Man. That's that's like some real emotional

1996
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: up and downs for the hall. Like that's if I

1997
01:51:56,280 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 1: could hang my hat on like anything I can do

1998
01:51:58,000 --> 01:51:59,920
Speaker 1: calling that would be like I just turned he was

1999
01:52:00,080 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 1: leaving and I turned him all the way like he

2000
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:03,919
Speaker 1: had already changed his mind and I got him to recommit.

2001
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:07,080
Speaker 1: It's like you're in a fight and you're like the mama.

2002
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:10,560
Speaker 1: Yea argue with your wife, you like, walk out and

2003
01:52:10,640 --> 01:52:18,920
Speaker 1: you come back in another day. Um I was talking

2004
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:21,479
Speaker 1: about was talking about Norm McDonald, but some how that

2005
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:24,200
Speaker 1: made me think of the late comedian Mitch Hadburg. You

2006
01:52:24,280 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: know him. I know he's talking about how he was

2007
01:52:26,439 --> 01:52:28,599
Speaker 1: talking about why he didn't like camping and he felt

2008
01:52:28,680 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 1: that it was when he got in the fight with

2009
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 1: his girlfriend. It was hard to express his anger because

2010
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:46,479
Speaker 1: he tried to aggressively zip the tent shut. Uh. Oh man,

2011
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: it was great hunting with you. Man, it was fun.

2012
01:52:50,040 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 1: Um to find you were like how to find everybody

2013
01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:57,080
Speaker 1: gold Phelps game calls and tell everybody what you do

2014
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: in September with the crazy dude. If I go on

2015
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:03,800
Speaker 1: Instagram right now, you're you're pretty, it's it's overwhelming. I

2016
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about like your your desire to be

2017
01:53:07,320 --> 01:53:10,640
Speaker 1: on there, because you were giving me all kinds of

2018
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,640
Speaker 1: I I was unsure of whether Steve could be on

2019
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,880
Speaker 1: there with his kill before anything else supposed, but he

2020
01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:20,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the Phelps brag board first, which

2021
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:24,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Yeah, the Felps brag board explain it. So

2022
01:53:24,400 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: we did something. We started I think three or four

2023
01:53:26,680 --> 01:53:31,200
Speaker 1: years ago where it's kind of that customer appreciation customer success. Um.

2024
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:35,880
Speaker 1: We post anybody's elk that they kill with our calls

2025
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: on our Instagram page for the world to see, and

2026
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,040
Speaker 1: we just kind of want to know, like what calls

2027
01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:41,799
Speaker 1: he used, kind of a little bit about the scenario.

2028
01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 1: And it's not just big bowls, even though there's a

2029
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,280
Speaker 1: lot of them showing up, but anybody's using our calls,

2030
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:49,439
Speaker 1: calls in a cow, a spike, a bull. We're posting

2031
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 1: it up and giving some feedback, and it's meant to

2032
01:53:51,400 --> 01:53:53,599
Speaker 1: be you know, kind of a thank you to all

2033
01:53:53,640 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: of our you know, call users, but also a little

2034
01:53:56,200 --> 01:53:58,679
Speaker 1: bit of an education of what calls people are using,

2035
01:53:59,120 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit on the set up, what call

2036
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:03,800
Speaker 1: they actually did to get that bull in um, and

2037
01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:05,439
Speaker 1: then kind of what states. So we're kind of just

2038
01:54:05,479 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 1: sharing information from some of our customers success. I mean,

2039
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 1: it just it may piss people off if they follow us,

2040
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:13,800
Speaker 1: but when you get on there, there's probably gonna be

2041
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 1: twenty or thirty posts, you know, every couple of hours

2042
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:19,519
Speaker 1: from us with just you know bulls that are what

2043
01:54:19,560 --> 01:54:22,880
Speaker 1: I like about it too, is uh, I mean, it's

2044
01:54:22,960 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: big bulls first bulls, hundred bulls, cows, spikes. Yeah, it's

2045
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:32,360
Speaker 1: fun man, Yeah, it's just what you're just it's fun

2046
01:54:32,400 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 1: to look at. It just rolls out. A friend of

2047
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 1: mine called up, He's like, it is staggering the number

2048
01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:42,240
Speaker 1: of people killed phelps games. Yeah, it's a matter of fact.

2049
01:54:42,240 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 1: Somebody asking me their day. Do you ever like stop

2050
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 1: and think about what you what you've did, Like how

2051
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 1: many Elk have like died And I don't like to

2052
01:54:49,080 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: think of it as like necessarily killed, but like we

2053
01:54:52,080 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 1: were able to add to that experience, like we've been up.

2054
01:54:54,320 --> 01:54:56,760
Speaker 1: We were able to add to the success and add

2055
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 1: to their experience. But I don't necessarily want I'm not

2056
01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:01,720
Speaker 1: like that bloodst It's not occurring outside of like game

2057
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:05,320
Speaker 1: management objectives, you know, not necessarily blood there like oh

2058
01:55:05,400 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 1: we you know four d four thousand, seven hundred nine

2059
01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 1: all died because of us. Yes, you're looking at it.

2060
01:55:10,280 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: It's like when you look at it, it's one thing

2061
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:17,920
Speaker 1: about it is um the amount of human joy in

2062
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:23,160
Speaker 1: sense of accomplishment captured in the photos. Yeah, it's just

2063
01:55:23,240 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 1: like what I was looking at a bunch of this morning.

2064
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:28,920
Speaker 1: It's like first out, finally did it? Uh, you know,

2065
01:55:29,080 --> 01:55:31,280
Speaker 1: my my brother in law finally got his first bawl,

2066
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: my wife finally got her full first ball. That's whatever, man,

2067
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:37,960
Speaker 1: It's like people like being out in the woods, like

2068
01:55:38,280 --> 01:55:42,600
Speaker 1: having fun and then feeling like thankful that they had

2069
01:55:42,680 --> 01:55:46,120
Speaker 1: the experience and had the tools and expertise. It's a

2070
01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: lot of fun, man. Yeah, I I I got a

2071
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 1: ton of enjoyment out of that. And you know, I

2072
01:55:49,720 --> 01:55:50,960
Speaker 1: get to deal with him a little bit on the

2073
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,800
Speaker 1: back end, like asked him about their experience and it's cool.

2074
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,200
Speaker 1: You know, everybody wants to kind of did it without years.

2075
01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, do not say that, Like it's it's just

2076
01:55:58,000 --> 01:56:00,120
Speaker 1: like a carpenter. Yeah, they got a hammer. That's just

2077
01:56:00,200 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 1: a tool that lets them get their job done. But

2078
01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 1: the skill was still you. You made all the right decisions. Um,

2079
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:07,080
Speaker 1: we're just We're just a tool in your toolbox. But

2080
01:56:07,160 --> 01:56:09,440
Speaker 1: I'm glad you trusted in us to to use our

2081
01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:12,040
Speaker 1: calls and and to use our you know, our stuff

2082
01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,400
Speaker 1: in your experience. So and A Jason had to defend

2083
01:56:14,440 --> 01:56:16,600
Speaker 1: the honor of a man who was criticized for shooting

2084
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 1: a spike, which is the stupidest criticism in the world. Oh,

2085
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 1: I got so mad I was gonna Chester. Was me

2086
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 1: and Chester bunked together in our spike tent and Chester

2087
01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:25,760
Speaker 1: was the only thing close. Now he was gonna get

2088
01:56:25,800 --> 01:56:29,920
Speaker 1: punched because I was getting so frustrated, and I told Chester,

2089
01:56:30,040 --> 01:56:32,040
Speaker 1: like I hate dealing with these assholes. Bring it on.

2090
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:36,280
Speaker 1: Chester is gonna punch me back. I'd like to see

2091
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:39,400
Speaker 1: you Chester d get out. But now it's one of

2092
01:56:39,400 --> 01:56:42,960
Speaker 1: those things like is it is it legal? Is it?

2093
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:45,760
Speaker 1: That's all that really matters? Is it legal? And who

2094
01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,720
Speaker 1: the hell else cares about anything? You know, this guy

2095
01:56:47,800 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 1: was making a first attacks and personally, which pisses me off, like, oh,

2096
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: look at you. You don't need to eat a spike,

2097
01:56:52,960 --> 01:56:56,200
Speaker 1: Like basically commenting on the guy's stat doesn't. Oh, says

2098
01:56:56,760 --> 01:56:58,640
Speaker 1: guy a bigger I always just saying, so you don't

2099
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,400
Speaker 1: need the meat. I can tell because you see your

2100
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:02,400
Speaker 1: body well, so you can't say you killed the spike

2101
01:57:02,440 --> 01:57:05,240
Speaker 1: because of its size. So it first she attacks him personally,

2102
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 1: then he attacks him like on a population elk population.

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01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 1: But I completely like reduced that to that spike isn't

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01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,480
Speaker 1: gonna probably reproduce for four years. I mean, you talked

2105
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:17,440
Speaker 1: about this a little bit, like the only argument that

2106
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:19,760
Speaker 1: guy would have is that maybe in four or five years,

2107
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:23,120
Speaker 1: if he's this big quote unquote professional, you know, mature

2108
01:57:23,200 --> 01:57:25,040
Speaker 1: bowl killer, he would maybe have a shot at killing

2109
01:57:25,080 --> 01:57:26,800
Speaker 1: that bowl in four or five years. But other than that,

2110
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:29,400
Speaker 1: there's like no legitimate argument. And I don't have time

2111
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:31,920
Speaker 1: to sit and like you know, pigs love the wrestle

2112
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 1: on the mug, and I just was out of it.

2113
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 1: Like I wrestled with him for a little bit, and

2114
01:57:34,920 --> 01:57:38,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, the block button. It just takes care

2115
01:57:38,360 --> 01:57:40,560
Speaker 1: of all my issues and I can my blood pressure

2116
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:42,440
Speaker 1: can come back down. Didn't He didn't even need to

2117
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:45,760
Speaker 1: punch Chester. No, No, I Chester was trying to go

2118
01:57:45,800 --> 01:57:47,600
Speaker 1: to sleep, and I saw my phone just over there

2119
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:53,640
Speaker 1: like lit up, getting frustrated as all hell. This year,

2120
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Speaker 1: I like those spikes, man, Yeah, I'll put it on

2121
01:57:56,440 --> 01:57:59,680
Speaker 1: that I've never got a spike. A lot of you know,

2122
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,400
Speaker 1: ot areas that were hunting. You can't. You got branch out,

2123
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 1: branch out with bull um. My brother Danny, he used

2124
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:10,960
Speaker 1: to hunt. He was working in Washington on the Saints

2125
01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: some salmon projects and he used to hunt these units

2126
01:58:13,160 --> 01:58:16,800
Speaker 1: where it was spike only. And he said, you know,

2127
01:58:16,840 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 1: you're out hunting you just think like, oh, ship, how

2128
01:58:18,640 --> 01:58:20,360
Speaker 1: hard it can be to find a spike? He goes, Man,

2129
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:22,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna do a spike on the area, and you realize,

2130
01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,800
Speaker 1: like how hard is Like, on one hand, it seems

2131
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 1: like they're around, because when you're looking for one, all studs,

2132
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:31,640
Speaker 1: like every bowl there's a big bull. How the spikes

2133
01:58:31,680 --> 01:58:34,080
Speaker 1: did we see on this hunt? Zero zero zero? Yeah,

2134
01:58:34,240 --> 01:58:38,800
Speaker 1: he was saying, like that can't be that hard. Turns

2135
01:58:38,840 --> 01:58:44,920
Speaker 1: out a whole different story man. Yeah, alright, guys, Sam,

2136
01:58:45,080 --> 01:58:49,760
Speaker 1: thanks for the uh producing this this episode. We just

2137
01:58:49,800 --> 01:58:53,080
Speaker 1: made something part of our part of our season ten. Yeah,

2138
01:58:53,200 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 1: last episode of season ten. That's our apt So it

2139
01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:58,480
Speaker 1: rolls out in two batches. We got one batche launched

2140
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:02,720
Speaker 1: in September right nine, so we got a batch episodes

2141
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 1: hitting Netflix September twenty nine. Filed up a couple months

2142
01:59:05,520 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 1: later with the with the batch of five more episodes

2143
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:09,880
Speaker 1: of which this will be a part, so you'll be

2144
01:59:09,880 --> 01:59:11,880
Speaker 1: able to watch all this stuff we're talking about. This

2145
01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:13,360
Speaker 1: is gonna be one of our This is gonna be

2146
01:59:13,400 --> 01:59:16,080
Speaker 1: one of our best episodes, man, because just the amount

2147
01:59:16,120 --> 01:59:19,480
Speaker 1: of interactions, the amount of wildlife interactions in it, and

2148
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 1: besides archery is the coolest thing. I know you like it.

2149
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 1: We're talking about deer. Jay said, all the deer hunting

2150
01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:27,440
Speaker 1: I've done that, one of them is bugled at me.

2151
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: The duet, the ducks and geese don't have horns. There's

2152
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,680
Speaker 1: all the kind of reasons why owk ends up being

2153
01:59:35,680 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: the best. And he also vowed to not kill a

2154
01:59:37,680 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: white till until he's seventy. I changed my mind. My

2155
01:59:40,600 --> 01:59:42,400
Speaker 1: good buddy Randy Milligan where he cut the three down,

2156
01:59:42,440 --> 01:59:45,160
Speaker 1: invited me to Kansas and he's got some some good bucks.

2157
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:47,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna entertain that. But home. You're not gonna do

2158
01:59:47,120 --> 01:59:48,960
Speaker 1: that before we go coust deer hunting? Are you? No?

2159
01:59:49,120 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: After it? I'll be like, if I'm with you, that'll

2160
01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 1: be your first white tail? How I spot it? I

2161
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:58,240
Speaker 1: hope you do too, obviously, Yeah, I got felt you'd

2162
01:59:58,280 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 1: be crazy to turn down on Randy's place. Oh at

2163
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,640
Speaker 1: that place is what dreams are made of when it

2164
02:00:04,720 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 1: comes to white tail chiger habitat. I'll go in there

2165
02:00:08,480 --> 02:00:10,880
Speaker 1: in the winter. I just say, chiggers in the fall

2166
02:00:10,920 --> 02:00:12,480
Speaker 1: should be down right? You have. But what I'm gonna

2167
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:15,200
Speaker 1: do when we do this line one turkey hunt giveaway.

2168
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, um probably carry a bucket of promethron and

2169
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:23,960
Speaker 1: like a wash tub of around. You know, I'm gonna

2170
02:00:23,960 --> 02:00:26,760
Speaker 1: stand in that tub. I'm gonna carry it around, set

2171
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:28,800
Speaker 1: that tub down, and stand in that tub hunt out

2172
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:32,360
Speaker 1: of it. That's my plan. That's my hunt plan. It's

2173
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:37,160
Speaker 1: a chickerbike giveaway, all right. So then Jason, we'll have

2174
02:00:37,240 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 1: you back on when we do our we hunt coups

2175
02:00:39,720 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 1: here and um, thanks again to everybody and Sam, thanks

2176
02:00:43,600 --> 02:00:46,080
Speaker 1: getting to you for the wonderful job you're putting this

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Speaker 1: episode together. So you guys p