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Speaker 1: Nevin Lazarre alongside Grandpa Parrello for some draft coverage and
Speaker 1: always my favorite, these are my favorite podcasts the offensive line.
Speaker 1: What do I like to say, Douce about the offensive line?
Speaker 1: Do it on your own time. Do it on your
Speaker 1: own time. So I'm going to allow you guys to
Speaker 1: do it on my time. So I'll make it compromise.
Speaker 1: It'll be partly my time, but I'm gonna allow you
Speaker 1: guys to do it here, Paul, isn't it our time? Correct,
Speaker 1: mister Hunt? And uh? And I have to say, as
Speaker 1: much as I like to use the snark, I lean
Speaker 1: on the snark. There's a reason to be interested in
Speaker 1: the offensive line, specifically the tackles this season. And that
Speaker 1: is the one position, Evan, that I will allow it.
Speaker 1: I will allow it if there's a tackle that you
Speaker 1: like and you think he's a left tackle of the future,
Speaker 1: he's worthy of a first round pick because, in all seriousness,
Speaker 1: if you're going to get a tackle, yeah, you can
Speaker 1: find him later on in the draft, but the more
Speaker 1: tried and true method in the NFL is to identify
Speaker 1: a guy that you think can be you a left
Speaker 1: tackle for ten years, and you got to take him early.
Speaker 1: So yeah, with that said, I think I think we
Speaker 1: all agree that tackle is a need. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of different guys. Yeah, there's a lot of different guys
Speaker 1: out there. You know who stands out to you, guys?
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say real quick. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they added Calvin Anderson, they added Riley Reef, so you know,
Speaker 1: it's certainly going into the offseason was a huge need.
Speaker 1: And not to say that it's not a need now,
Speaker 1: but they did enough right now where you're like, is
Speaker 1: it the biggest, biggest need? Maybe? Um, but there's a
Speaker 1: lot of good guys right at the top end. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a two to one. I'm in
Speaker 1: favor of Evan, You're in favor of getting a guy.
Speaker 1: I'm with Evan. I think it's the biggest need on
Speaker 1: the board. I think they did a great job of
Speaker 1: bolstering the depth that tackle. They do not have starters. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest thing. And you also just
Speaker 1: look at long term as well. Over the next couple
Speaker 1: of years, Riley Reef and Calvin Anderson two year deals
Speaker 1: for each of them. Trent Brown in a contract year,
Speaker 1: and I just really am reluctant of going into the
Speaker 1: season counting on two of those three starting for seventeen
Speaker 1: plus games. And I also think you look at the
Speaker 1: quarterback that you have, and we know statistically when Mac
Speaker 1: Jones is under pressure, his numbers plummet. And now that's
Speaker 1: true for a lot of quarterbacks, but he was one
Speaker 1: of the worst passers in the league while under pressure
Speaker 1: last season by QBR, I think he was the worst
Speaker 1: quarterback in the league under pressure. So if you're gonna
Speaker 1: make it work with Mac Jones, you have got to
Speaker 1: keep him clean and the best way to do that
Speaker 1: is to invest in one of these tackles in the
Speaker 1: first round. It's not the sexiest pick. I know Paul
Speaker 1: would would speak to that. It's it's not the you know,
Speaker 1: the most exciting thing to do. But I think it's
Speaker 1: by far their biggest need in terms of upside and
Speaker 1: long term potential. Better to talk about sexy than me,
Speaker 1: that's right. So you guys there there are a handful
Speaker 1: of first round projected first round picks anyway, depending on
Speaker 1: where you look. Three four guys anyway, and some others
Speaker 1: that people are high on that you know, like Northwestern's
Speaker 1: Peter Scronski, who some people aren't really sure exactly if
Speaker 1: he will translate to tackle. He may be a guard. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So out of these guys, the Paris Johnsons, the Broderick
Speaker 1: Jones and whatnot, who stands out? Who's the guy that's
Speaker 1: at the top of your list? If you could say, well,
Speaker 1: it's gonna fall exactly right for the Patriots, so they're
Speaker 1: gonna have the pick of the litter at fourteen at tackle.
Speaker 1: Which would be the guy that stands out? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'd go with Broderick Jones. I just I really enjoy
Speaker 1: watching him. I think he's tough, he has questions like
Speaker 1: you know, Paris Johnson does two where these guys haven't
Speaker 1: played a lot of football season a season and a half,
Speaker 1: and then Skronski's played a lot, but he has some
Speaker 1: size concerns. So I think any of these guys trying
Speaker 1: to plug in at left tackle immediately there are some questions.
Speaker 1: But I really enjoyed Broderick Jones. I just think at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, as Evan kind of alluded, you
Speaker 1: need somebody long term, and so if you're gonna maybe
Speaker 1: take some lumps early with him or maybe Paris Johnson
Speaker 1: as they develop, I'd be okay with taking a little
Speaker 1: bit of that chance with those guys because I think
Speaker 1: long term, you're talking he'll be your starter for the
Speaker 1: next ten years. I don't know, but maybe he'll get
Speaker 1: past the first contract here in New England. That'd be nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about time. But with Paris Johnson and Brodrick Jones, it's
Speaker 1: a classic ceiling floor argument. The floor pick is Paris Johnson,
Speaker 1: the ceiling is Brodrick Jones. Paris Johnson has some technical
Speaker 1: things that I think he's gonna have to work on.
Speaker 1: With his hands and with his leverage and pass protection,
Speaker 1: he can get bull rushed back into the pocket. He
Speaker 1: did it a couple of times against Georgia. Lucas Vanesse,
Speaker 1: one of the people's favorite edge prospects in this class,
Speaker 1: took him for a ride last year against Iowa. So
Speaker 1: those are those are guys that give him problems, the
Speaker 1: guys that get into his chest and are able to
Speaker 1: push him back. He's got thirty six in sharps, but
Speaker 1: he doesn't use him right. He doesn't extend his arms
Speaker 1: and really get his hands out there to first contact.
Speaker 1: But Roderick Jones is somebody that in pass protection is very,
Speaker 1: very inconsistent. He's he either shutting you down or he's
Speaker 1: whiffing and getting beat instantly. So he's gonna have some
Speaker 1: things to do with his footwork, with his posture. He
Speaker 1: kind of ducks his head and leans into contact and
Speaker 1: lunges at guys a little bit too much. But when
Speaker 1: you watch this guy block in the open field, it's
Speaker 1: like watching a tight He just blocks and loves it.
Speaker 1: There's very few guys in the league that I can
Speaker 1: think of that have his ability to block in space
Speaker 1: at such a high level. He is a weapon in
Speaker 1: the screen game, like if you throw a screen to
Speaker 1: a receiver or running back to his side and get
Speaker 1: him out there where he can block linebackers and dbs.
Speaker 1: It's a factor for defenses. So he's a difference maker
Speaker 1: at the position. Whereas I think Paris Johnson is just
Speaker 1: more don't worry about it. Plug him in. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have a nice left tackle for the next five to
Speaker 1: ten years whatever, you know, old saying you wanted to
Speaker 1: contract and you don't have to worry about it. So
Speaker 1: Evan brought up the performance for uh, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: against a quality pass rusher in van Ness and and
Speaker 1: how you go about that. Well, another guy who had
Speaker 1: a really strong uh, well, the opposite of what you
Speaker 1: were talking about a strong performance is the kid from Tennessee, right,
Speaker 1: Darnell right. Um. A lot of people feel like he's
Speaker 1: shooting up the boards a little bit as a result
Speaker 1: of his work against will Anderson when they took on Alabama.
Speaker 1: Did you guys see it that way? You know, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about I mean, I right, Evan has
Speaker 1: a but yeah, absolutely a guy that I mean after
Speaker 1: the combine hit my radar again and you know it
Speaker 1: was a right tackle. But I think you know, as
Speaker 1: we saw he had some twitter back and forth. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys saw this going into beef Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: going into you know, random dudes things, you know, talking,
Speaker 1: Oh really, you know, he's my guy I'm not just
Speaker 1: the right tackle. But then he apologized to he's got
Speaker 1: a bunch of things going on, but he's another guy
Speaker 1: that that you love, and I think it's just really
Speaker 1: it was somebody that isn't kind of a name person, Yeah,
Speaker 1: something like that. So, I mean, I think that he
Speaker 1: brings up the question of you know, what are you
Speaker 1: really what are you really looking for? I mean, I
Speaker 1: think the left tackle thing is is is totally apt.
Speaker 1: But you know you're gonna draft a guy like that
Speaker 1: where it's you know, maybe like Solder where he comes
Speaker 1: in he made out to play on the right side
Speaker 1: for a little bit and then you get him over
Speaker 1: to the left side. That's where I'm at with this
Speaker 1: whole class as a whole. But I think he kind
Speaker 1: of sums it up as a guy who maybe a
Speaker 1: right tackle, maybe has some left tackle potential you don't
Speaker 1: know where, and that might be the ideal situation is
Speaker 1: to get a guy, I mean if he could play
Speaker 1: left tackle. I mean, to get a guy that you
Speaker 1: plug in on the right side and somehow you've crossed
Speaker 1: your fingers that Trent Brown gives you one more season
Speaker 1: of quality play at left tackle and then you don't
Speaker 1: have that pressure of you know, of the the guy
Speaker 1: having to come in and save the day. But that's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of ifs there. Yeah, you know, he's
Speaker 1: a right tackle to me, Darnell Right'll come at you,
Speaker 1: don't at him. He's somebody though that his hand strength
Speaker 1: and his power in the run game is eye popping.
Speaker 1: You watch him play and and he's just moving the
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage at will, even in the SEC or
Speaker 1: down at the Senior Bowl in Mobile. And he's somebody
Speaker 1: that you mentioned Will Anderson, but he performed well against
Speaker 1: every good edge rusher that he went up against last
Speaker 1: year and then was awesome in Mobile. So he's somebody
Speaker 1: that every single time he faces elite competition, he's doing
Speaker 1: well against those guys, and that often translates to the league.
Speaker 1: But he's somebody that in twenty twenty two or twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, excuse me, wasn't as good. Took a really
Speaker 1: big leap in twenty twenty two. And Will Anderson at
Speaker 1: the combine actually talked about that. He said, I played
Speaker 1: him last year and I was like, this guy's you know, okay,
Speaker 1: and then I played him this year and it was
Speaker 1: like Holy crap, this guy's gotten so much better. So
Speaker 1: he's got really good power, a good balance. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just not somebody that you're going to run through
Speaker 1: in pass protection. You think he's got decent feet for
Speaker 1: his size, but I wouldn't say he's overly rangey at
Speaker 1: the position, which is why I kind of look at
Speaker 1: him as more of a right tackle than the left tackle.
Speaker 1: But he's played both sides, and the Patriots have never
Speaker 1: been to you know, needy right like, they don't really
Speaker 1: look at it that way and say, oh, you can't
Speaker 1: play here, you can't play there. They just sort of
Speaker 1: figure out where it lies at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: But I think he's a right tackle, and they putting
Speaker 1: him next to Mike on when it would be ridiculous,
Speaker 1: Like those two guys on a double team would just
Speaker 1: be stupid. But I don't know. It does depend on
Speaker 1: if you really are dead set on left tackle versus
Speaker 1: a right tackle. So we won't take as much time
Speaker 1: with the interior guys. But before we move to them,
Speaker 1: I'm just curious if you guys had some prospects maybe
Speaker 1: day day two, maybe later day two, day three, um,
Speaker 1: you know, and this would be a double up, I
Speaker 1: would say, because you're not going to draft a guy,
Speaker 1: say in the fifth round and say, well our tackle,
Speaker 1: we addressed tackle. This would be getting somebody early, but
Speaker 1: maybe somebody else that cuts your eye a little bit
Speaker 1: later as a developmental guy. Yeah. I mean I'll throw
Speaker 1: two names out there that maybe you know Day two
Speaker 1: day Day two guys. But Tyler Steen from Alabama, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he just you can't always gotta keeps another one who
Speaker 1: you know in the postseason this year, you know in
Speaker 1: the in the spring games, is you know, turn some heads.
Speaker 1: And also, I mean I just can't not put him
Speaker 1: on Cody mock with you know, no front teeth, uh
Speaker 1: from North Dakota State. But we're gonna talk about guards
Speaker 1: in the second right. So he's probably think that was
Speaker 1: a shot. That was a shot that was at no. Well,
Speaker 1: I like his I like his I like his style.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's and that's in fairness, I have him
Speaker 1: on and that's probably why he's gonna end up. But
Speaker 1: but just those are two guys that I like. Okay,
Speaker 1: can I go rapid fire real? Yes? I would appreciate
Speaker 1: the rapid fire because this is a big position in
Speaker 1: need for the Patriots, Dewan Jones Ohio State, Trent Brown
Speaker 1: two point zero, Anton Harrison from Oklahoma, really underrated player
Speaker 1: who I think is going to be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: Real quick on him. Did he struggle in some of
Speaker 1: the senior games, whether the Shrine or the not? Like terribly? No,
Speaker 1: Dewan Jones dominated like one day a practice dropped the mic,
Speaker 1: see you later. I mean unbelievable players. Uh, Trent Brown
Speaker 1: two point Anton Harrison just a clean uh not necessarily
Speaker 1: the most flashy guy here, but but somebody that's going
Speaker 1: to be a solid pro. Blake Freeland, Nate's older two
Speaker 1: point zero over there at BYU you mentioned Stean and
Speaker 1: the last guy I'll mentioned really quickly, Matthew berger On
Speaker 1: from Syracuse. Actually measured in a little bit bigger than
Speaker 1: I think some people expected. His footwork and his lower
Speaker 1: half looks like guard. But he's six five with thirty
Speaker 1: three nh arm, So I think he's got the size
Speaker 1: to play tackle if you really want him to. Probably
Speaker 1: one of those guys it's a better guard than a tackle,
Speaker 1: but can play tackle. Okay, let's um you know real quick, um,
Speaker 1: you know, spend a couple of minutes just talking about
Speaker 1: some of the interior guys. Obviously, the Patriot's the first
Speaker 1: round pick on Cole Strange last year. It would be
Speaker 1: really odd to take a position like that and double
Speaker 1: up in consecutive seasons. But I don't see a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, first round projections, second round projections with
Speaker 1: the guards and centers. But I will say, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask you guys to give me a center projection because
Speaker 1: I do think it would be good business to sort
Speaker 1: of worry about David Andrews a little bit as he's
Speaker 1: progressing in his career. Maybe a fifth, sixth round kind
Speaker 1: of a guy that you could plug in and wait
Speaker 1: a year. They've been trying to do that periodically in
Speaker 1: recent years, haven't really had a lot of success. Anybody
Speaker 1: stand out. I mean, I just throw Alex forsythe out
Speaker 1: there from Oregon who just made an impact, an impact
Speaker 1: impact on me. He made an impact at me at
Speaker 1: at the Scout in combined. But and you have to
Speaker 1: keep those that the Oregan guys, that's where Atrian Clem
Speaker 1: is coming from, So you have to keep them. Just
Speaker 1: Seene incredibly smart, polished, and this is just you know,
Speaker 1: hearing him talk, but he just kind of had a
Speaker 1: Patriots type five to me, and I think that's a
Speaker 1: perfect kind of like day three developmental guy. Get him
Speaker 1: in the system and you know, maybe you see him
Speaker 1: in a couple years. Yeah, Foresty is a good one.
Speaker 1: He's also somebody that is cerebral, you know, got it
Speaker 1: between the ears and really led that Oregan offensive line
Speaker 1: last year. Ricky Stromberg from Stromberg sorry, from Arkansas. Also
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl guy or Shrine Bowl guy, excusing me work
Speaker 1: with the Patriots there in Vegas. He's somebody that I
Speaker 1: could see maybe late day three, uh, you know, around
Speaker 1: those six round picks or something like that that they have.
Speaker 1: At the end of Day three. We got to talk
Speaker 1: about Cody Mock though, because oh now you want to
Speaker 1: Yeah he's teeth, no, because he's a guard. But you
Speaker 1: wait that I waited for the interior offensive line portion
Speaker 1: of this show. Cody Mock is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: guys to watch in this draft because he is just
Speaker 1: exactly what an offensive lineman should be. He is a
Speaker 1: hog molly eats nails like literally, is just going to
Speaker 1: put you in the dirt every single chance that he's got.
Speaker 1: But with that being said, and I know Everybody makes
Speaker 1: a big deal out of the arm length, and I
Speaker 1: want to stress this, He's a guard for more reasons
Speaker 1: than just his arm length. It's not just because he's
Speaker 1: not doesn't have thirty four inch arms like that's part
Speaker 1: of it, but his footwork and his really his entire
Speaker 1: skill set. The more space that he gets, the worst
Speaker 1: that his technique and the worst that his play gets.
Speaker 1: And he's just doesn't really have the footwork or the
Speaker 1: balance to play outside. I don't think in the league,
Speaker 1: I think he can be a high level guard. I
Speaker 1: think he might be like an all Pro center if
Speaker 1: you wanted to play him at center. But I think
Speaker 1: you would be a really high level guard as well,
Speaker 1: and somebody that just can play multiple spots, Like you
Speaker 1: can put him at tackle if you absolutely needed too.
Speaker 1: So I would say that he's a backup tackle for
Speaker 1: you as well if you want to kick him outside
Speaker 1: in a in a pinch, I just wouldn't play him there.
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't play him there. So we'll we'll put
Speaker 1: a bowl on this one. I just wanted to sort
Speaker 1: two names out one um. You know, there's been a
Speaker 1: lot of talk, and Evan and I talked a lot
Speaker 1: about the Big Ten and the Patriots sort of kind
Speaker 1: of ignoring everybody that's not from Michigan from the Big Ten. Um,
Speaker 1: Michigan has the most draft picks. I think Mike Rease
Speaker 1: had a note about that over the weekend. Um, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to help me with the name. Is it
Speaker 1: olo a Teamy? Close enough? I don't know exactly how to.
Speaker 1: He's a thought Day three kind of interior alignment. And
Speaker 1: there in the Senior Bowl. I always keep track of
Speaker 1: Wisconsin guys because that's like an offensive. Joe Tipman to
Speaker 1: me was a guy that just because of the pedigree
Speaker 1: of the Wisconsin lineman in the NFL. Again, we're talking
Speaker 1: about guys that you might draft late, like Jason Hines
Speaker 1: and Andrew Stubert last year and then maybe hope you
Speaker 1: can develop one of them, and you know, they spend
Speaker 1: a year in the practice squad and maybe two years
Speaker 1: from now, you know you might have a guy who
Speaker 1: could potentially replace someone who you're losing free agency, like
Speaker 1: Michael Owen. You if you're not able to resign him, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Last one from the Shrine Bowl Jackson Kirkland from Washington.
Speaker 1: I played guard predominantly left guard at the Shrine Bowl,
Speaker 1: but he's played some tackle in his career as well.
Speaker 1: He's actually a tackle and as a junior and then
Speaker 1: for some reason the Washington coaching staff thought that they
Speaker 1: really needed his experience inside, so they moved him inside
Speaker 1: as a senior. But he's played bowl spots. He's kind
Speaker 1: of that maybe has a starter potential inside, but maybe
Speaker 1: can be a backup multiple spots later the draft, and
Speaker 1: I think that he's somebody that they had their eye
Speaker 1: on because they were very specific about where they were
Speaker 1: putting him when they put him out there. So all right, well,
Speaker 1: we're not going to spend any more time on the
Speaker 1: offensive line. I already gave you more time than I
Speaker 1: than I normally would, only because it is a position
Speaker 1: of need, and I think Evan and I are higher
Speaker 1: on that position of need than than Mike is. But
Speaker 1: I think we all agree that there's some I think
Speaker 1: some reinforcements are I think one of those first round
Speaker 1: guys make sense. I just I think where I start
Speaker 1: to get a little bit questioning is when you're trying
Speaker 1: to develop them, you know, and I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the system is going to be like with
Speaker 1: the new coaching staff. How's it all gonna look? So
Speaker 1: get one up top. I'm on board with that. We
Speaker 1: start throwing darts at the board. Day three. Then it's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of whatever. All right, that's your Offensive
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