1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Mark mass Show. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Where we're always talking about the decentralized revolution, we're talking 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: about deglobalization, we're talking about the end of the unipolar 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: world into a multipolar world, and we look at through 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: lens of politics, finance, and technology, of course, and today 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: we have a big show I'm calling it Man the 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: Ukraine Money Pit, exposing America's hidden agenda. Now, I typically 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: talk about the convergence of politics, finance, and technology, and 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: here we are politics and finance that are coming together. 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,520 Speaker 1: And yes, there's technology in this as well. And there's 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 1: a little bit off of my normal path of what 12 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: I typically talk about, but it's such an important topic 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: that I've been studying, I've been paying attention to, and 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, let's just talk about this 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: to see what's going on now. At the point we're 16 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: at right now, we're literally on the brink of a 17 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: United States government shutdown. The shutdown is happening because they 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: can't the government leaders, the Republicans and Democrats can't come 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: together in an agreement on how to fund the government 20 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: moving forward. And if you've been paying attention, you've been 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: hearing that well, you know, the government shuts down, and 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: actually most of the government still gets paid. You know, 23 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: the executive branch, the President of Congress, they all sure 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: get they all get paid. Oh, all the money still 25 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: goes to Ukraine to fund their government as well. Now, 26 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: if you're a low level government worker you know that 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: really needs the money, sorry, you don't get paid. If 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: you're a parks and recreation worker, if you're like a 29 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: critical services you don't get paid. Everyone else they still 30 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,199 Speaker 1: get paid. Now, so it's a good time to talk 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: about this topic specifically, we'll come back on the government shutdown. 32 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: We'll talk about more of that later. If you want 33 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: send me a comment, let me know if you're going 34 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: to dig into that story more. But I want to 35 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: talk about how much have we actually spent in Ukraine 36 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: so far? Where, how could that money have gone, Where 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: is it going? Where else is Zelensky getting money from. 38 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about some history of some different 39 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: wars that actually look very similar to the one that 40 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: we're dealing with right now, look at the real cost 41 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: of taxpayers, and then uncover what I think is actually 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: the real Yeah, I think the real agenda going on. 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all of that. Animal, We've 44 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: got a lot to cover, So let's go ahead and 45 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: just keep going here. But you know, this war that 46 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: we're in, the Ukraine War, it's been a pretty big deal. 47 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: We still see a lot of Ukraine flags and stuff 48 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: going around on social media and people driving around, not 49 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: near as many as we have been, and it looks 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: like support's been waning. But let's just dig in a 51 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:48,119 Speaker 1: little bit. So how much money has been spent sent 52 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: to Ukraine from the United States so far? Well, the 53 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: answer is it's very difficult to find out. So that's 54 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: the problem right off the bat. Now, if we're sending 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: money to Ukraine, shouldn't we know how much we've sent, 56 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: shouldn't we know how much we've pledged, And shouldn't we, 57 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: even more importantly, know where it's all going and has gone. 58 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: Shouldn't it be accounted for? Well, the answer is is not. 59 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: We have really no good way to find out. I've 60 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: sent me and my show producer Q. We spent hours 61 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: researching this trying to get this exact data from you, 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: and it's very very difficult what we can do. We 63 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: went back through all these news headlines to see every 64 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: time they've announced new funding. There's some reports on the 65 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: internet saying as much as two hundred billion has been 66 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: sent over to Ukraine, and some reports that seem pretty 67 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: credible are down to as low as seventy five billion. 68 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: When I look at probably the most sided report is 69 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: from the Kiel Institute for the World Economy. It's a 70 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: German research institute, and they say it's about one hundred 71 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: and fifteen billion, So somewhere one hundred and fifteen million. However, 72 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: when I did some more math, I saw that there 73 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: was actually more money that was sent to Ukraine, but 74 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: not actually given to Ukraine, meaning it went to like 75 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: other parts of Europe to help the Ukrain war, which 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,839 Speaker 1: total up another, you know, thirty seven billion. So we're 77 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 1: somewhere in the one hundred and fifty billion range as 78 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: best as I can tell that's been spent on this 79 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: so far. So how has that been spent? Well, like 80 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 1: I said, we don't even know how much has been spent. 81 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: They certainly don't want the US taxpayer to know how 82 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: much money's been funneled out of the country. Now just 83 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: keep this frame in mind. We'll come back to this. 84 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 1: But you guys, remember Julian Nasans, the guy who's been 85 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: locked up in prison for a long time because of journalism, 86 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: because of releasing things to the public that the government 87 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: didn't want you to know. He said that, you know, 88 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: the Afghanistan War, and really all wars are a way 89 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: to funnel money from taxpayers into the corporations. Wars are 90 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: a way that we use to get money from taxpayers 91 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: and send corporations. Keep that frame in mind. Now. He 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: was talking at the time specifically about the Afghanistan War, 93 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: which went on for twenty years and twenty trillion dollars. 94 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: But where did that money actually go? Like who actually 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: received it? Well, the contractors. So in this case, we 96 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: have about one hundred and fifteen trillion billion potentially one 97 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty billion ish that has been gone. So 98 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: where did it go? We're going to dig into that. 99 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: But what we do know is that the US has 100 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: sent a lot of weapons over there. They've sent one 101 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty six Bradley tanks over the Ukraine at 102 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: a cost of you know, around two million bucks apiece, 103 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: no big deal per sixty minutes. The US has spent 104 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: over forty three billion on military aid, so it's gone 105 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: to that. But we know that lots of other money 106 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: has gone in other places. We know that there's been 107 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: about thirty two billion for humanitarian aid and financial support. 108 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 1: So where does that go. Where's the financial aid, where's 109 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: the humanitarian ego? We're going to dig into that more, 110 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: don't worry. But what we know is that it's the 111 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: equivalent of about somewhere about ten percent of the American 112 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: budget for military. Now, just to put this in the 113 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: frame of reference, the United State it spends ten as 114 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: much as the next ten countries combined on our military. 115 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: So it's a lot of money. Now, there's lots of 116 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: different programs that have been funded. We can see like, 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: for example, the United States government has been buying seeds 118 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: and fertilizer for Ukrainian farmers. It's been covering the salaries 119 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: of Ukraine's government and first responders, fifty seven thousand of them. 120 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: We can see that Ukraine has been diverting funds over 121 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: for clearing unexploded ammunitions from the country's rivers, you know, 122 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: and lots of things like that, lots of aid things 123 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: like that. Now, you know, this was painted as the 124 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: most important war in the world for Americans. As a 125 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: matter of fact, Mitch McConnell the other day said that 126 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: this is the single most important issue for American and voters. 127 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: We have to give more money to Ukraine. It's a 128 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: single most important issue, That's what he said. Although I 129 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: don't know a single American that I know that thinks 130 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: it's that. As a matter of fact, I would guess 131 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: for most people, it's probably not even in their top twenty. 132 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: Now it's been painted as this is a war against democracy. 133 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: We have to promote democracy. This is a fight for freedom. 134 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: That's what the United States does. But Ukraine is not 135 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: a story of Ukraine of democracy or freedom. As a 136 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: matter of fact, it's a story of corruption and accusation. 137 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: And this goes back for a really long time. We 138 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: can see really going back to twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen. 139 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: We can see then in twenty fifteen, the then Prosecutor 140 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: General of Ukraine was accused of corruption by the National 141 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: Anti Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, allegedly had accepted more than 142 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: two million dollars in bribes. Of course, those allegations were denied. 143 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: In twenty sixteen, we can see the Minister of Infrastructure 144 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: was arrested for corruption. Twenty seventeen, the then head of 145 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: the state Custom Service was arrested for corruption. According to 146 00:07:54,400 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: the monitoring group Transparency International, Ukraine is ranked a second 147 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: most corrupt country in all of Europe. Only Russia scores lower, 148 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: but that's in corruption, so they're right next to Russia. Now, 149 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: in addition to that, supposedly it's some form of democracy, 150 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: but the president an actor, literally got into power by 151 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: getting the democratically voted in president thrown in prison, and 152 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: then he went around and shut down churches and locked 153 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: up pastors. And that doesn't sound like a free, democratic 154 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: country to me. But we're going to come back to 155 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: all that. Don't worry, let's just keep going. So based 156 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: off of these rankings, it's the most corrupt country. It's 157 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: certainly not a free, open, democratic country either. But again, 158 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: where did all this money go? Just recently, we saw 159 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 1: this week that one of the defense ministers took off 160 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: with like a billion dollars, and Zelenski says, don't worry, 161 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: don't worry, don't worry, it's not American money. It was 162 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: Ukrainian money. Yeah, but the US is the one giving 163 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the money to the Ukraine. It's insane. But why is 164 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: all this happening. We're gonna come back to that in 165 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: a second. If you're just tuning in, you're listening to 166 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: the Mark Maas Show, we're talking about deglobalization, we're talking 167 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: about the decentralization, and we're talking about the money pit 168 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: that's going on in Ukraine, how much money and where 169 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: it's gone. I'll be back with more on that in 170 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: a minute. Don't go away, I'll be her back. H right, 171 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: welcome back. If you're just tune in, you're listening to 172 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: the Mark Maas Show, and we're talking about the money 173 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: pit that's over in Ukraine, what the heck is going on, 174 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: how much money has been spent and where is it going? 175 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: But more importantly, what the heck is actually going on? 176 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: What's the real agenda going on over there? So we're 177 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: breaking that down now. We talked about before the break 178 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: about how much money and as I said, it's very murky. 179 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I think it's intentionally murky. They don't tell you exactly 180 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: how much money has been spent. Estimates are as high 181 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: as two hundred billion, as low as seventy five billion. 182 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: When I add it up, I think it's about one 183 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five billion ish, specifically to the Ukrainian government, 184 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: but spent on the Ukraine war effort total, maybe just 185 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: specifically to Ukraine, about seventy five billions, somewhere in that range. 186 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: But how much is enough? How much money do we need? 187 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:19,760 Speaker 1: Because Ukraine's recovery is going to require all types of investments, 188 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: it might actually be the biggest investment project that we've 189 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: ever seen. As a matter of fact, Zelensky actually came 190 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: over and met with global leaders in July last year 191 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: and said that the country estimates it needs more than 192 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: seven hundred and fifty billion through twenty thirty two in grants, debts, equity, 193 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: things like that. Now, this is more than triple the 194 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: European Union's annual budget. Upwards of one hundred and fifty 195 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: billion is needed for housing and infrastructure alone. Now it's 196 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: more than triple the annual budget that they spend. How 197 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: much they're going to need now? Of course, the US 198 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: and the EU have ledge billions in public funds to 199 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: help Ukraine rebuild critical infrastructure, and the corporations are there 200 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: with their money as well. As a matter of fact, 201 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: JP Morgan I did a video on my main YouTube, 202 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: pianel Mark Moss talking about JP Morgan's history of funding 203 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: the war, and we talked about how JP Morgan actually 204 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: played a very pivotal role in World War One and 205 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: World War Two, both in making the war bigger than 206 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: it ever needed to be, making it go on longer 207 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: than ever needed to be, and bringing the United States 208 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: into the war that it absolutely had no desire to 209 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: get involved in, and how JP Morgan is doing the 210 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: exact same thing over there. It's been a while since 211 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: I did the video. I think I estimated or not estimated. Basically, 212 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: what JP Morgan has committed was somewhere in the forty 213 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: to sixty billion dollar range. Now ask yourself if you 214 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: loan Ukraine money, if you loan them fifty to sixty 215 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: billion dollars, that's just JP Morgan. Then you have black 216 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Rock and everybody else over there. So we have one 217 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: of billions that have been committed to be loaned over there. 218 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: What happens if they lose the war? What happens do 219 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: they get that money back or is that money gone? 220 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute, but we'll keep going. Now. 221 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: What we do know is that the president Ukrainian President 222 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: of Zelinski just came in this last week into the 223 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: US with his hand out asking for more money. What 224 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: was interesting is it wasn't just to the US government 225 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: that he was asking money for. He was meeting with 226 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: US financial leaders Wall Street. He met with Ken Griffin, 227 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: he met with Bill Ackman, which you might might or 228 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: might not recognize those names. They're heavyweights in Wall Street 229 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: to discuss now using private sector funds to help rebuild 230 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: the country. This is where it starts getting pretty dirty, 231 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: in my opinion. So now he's coming to the corporations. 232 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: In my opinion, the history of the world has always 233 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: been corporatism. It's always been big business trying to bend 234 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: the will of the government to get their way. Whether 235 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: this be the food industry, the medical industry, or the 236 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: financial industry, it's sort of the same thing. And here 237 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: we have now a country that's getting torn up by war, 238 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: that needs seven hundred and fifty billion, and they're trying 239 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 1: to get money from the corporations. Why would the corporations 240 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: give them money? Think about that. Now, who did he 241 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: talk to, Well, I said, he talked with Bill Ackman, 242 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: He met with Ken Griffin. Other attendees included the president 243 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: of Blackstone, so you might recognize that name. Blackstone's got 244 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: their hand in lots of things. We'll come back to that. 245 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: Starwood Capital. Former Google chief executive officer Eric Schmidt. His 246 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: name pops up all over the place in all the 247 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: worst places. New England Patriots owner Robert Craft. Former US 248 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. Oh that's not a good 249 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: name to have on the list. Michael Bloomberg, the majority 250 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: owner of Bloomberg News parent Bloomberg Lp. He tried to 251 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: run for president. Probably know who that is. The Ukraine's 252 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: mission to the United Nations in New York was arranged 253 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: by none other than Yes JP Morgan, Chase and Company. 254 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: So deep, deep deep ties to the corporate class, the 255 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:14,599 Speaker 1: corporations and the banks. But again, why would these corporations 256 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: want to give them money? What do they get back 257 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: in return? Nobody just gives away billions of dollars for free. 258 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: They're all expecting something back. So what would they be 259 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: giving for. Well, let's take a look at Ukraine. So 260 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: through this war their key industries have been completely broken down. Now, 261 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: Ukraine is a very unique place in Europe. It has 262 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: a lot of competitive advantages. It has lots of natural resources. 263 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 1: Ukraine's rich in natural resources including iron, ore, coal, magnesium, titanium, uranium. 264 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: They make neon gas that just happens to be needed 265 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: to make microchips. You might have been hearing about microchips 266 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: lately with what's going on in Taiwan. We'll come back 267 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: to that. To the fourth largest producer in the world 268 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: of wheat. Also, their geography makes them very unique. They 269 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: sort of have this strategical look location between Europe and Asia, 270 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: has access to the Black Sea, the Danube River, so 271 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: it makes it a very good trading hub. They have 272 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: a very high level of stem you know, science, technology, engineering, 273 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: et cetera. So they have very very high level of workforce, 274 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: something that the US doesn't have right now, we'll come 275 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: back to that in a minute as well. But they 276 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: produce some of the best coders, some of the best engineers, 277 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: some of the best scientists in the world. Also, it's 278 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: pretty cheap to do business over there, much more cheap 279 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: than doing business in the United States. So it also 280 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: makes it a very competitive area, competitive destination for foreign investment. Now, 281 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: there's lots of potential profitable businesses in Ukraine agriculture, right, 282 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: so they have it's the bread basket of Europe, very 283 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: fertile land, abundant rainfall, so it's ideal for agriculture. It's 284 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: a major exporter of agricultural products. Mining, there's lots of mining, 285 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: notts of natural resource in the ground, mineral resources, iron 286 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: or coal, magnesium, things like that. There's a lot of 287 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: investment opportunities there. Obviously, manufacturing. Ukraine has very strong manufacturing 288 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: sector because of the STEM people that are graduating from there. 289 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: They produce a lot of machinery, equipment, chemicals, and again, 290 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: like I said, they have a very low labor cost 291 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: and they have a you know, with the STEM sciences, 292 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 1: they have a lot of it that's been growing over there. 293 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: So a lot of successful companies in tech over there 294 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: as well a very talented pool of IT professionals. So 295 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things over there. Another thing that 296 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: the world seems to need a lot of I've been 297 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: talking about for probably two years now, pound on the 298 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: table on and now it's the hottest thing going is uranium. 299 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: Uranium is what nuclear actors need for fuel. As a 300 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: matter of fact, thirty percent of homes in the United 301 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: States are are using uranium. But the US needs uranium 302 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 1: right now. We depend on Russia for that and Ukraine 303 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: has the ninth largest uranium deposits in the world. So 304 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that Ukraine has, agriculture and 305 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: all types of things that these corporations would want to 306 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: get into. And then oh, yes, there's the semiconductors. So 307 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: as I said earlier, right, they make the neon gas 308 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: which is needed for the semiconductors. But if you combine 309 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: Ukraine's manufacturing and it capabilities access to cheap labor neon gas, 310 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: you get semiconductors, which again is sort of what this 311 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: entire China Taiwan situation is revolving around. Now, I gotta 312 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: take a very quick break. If you're just and you're 313 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: listening to the Mark Mas Show, we're breaking down the 314 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: money pit that's Ukraine, and I'm digging back and I'm 315 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: going to show you who the players are, already named 316 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: most of them, and I'm going to show you who 317 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: the players are. And I'm gonna show you what the 318 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: real intention is here because it's not obviously, it's not 319 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: about freedom and democracy. We already know that we've already 320 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: broken that down. If you missed any of this, you 321 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: can catch it on the podcast. Just search the Mark 322 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: mass Show. You can go back and listen to that. 323 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm not going to recap all that, but I am 324 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: going to come back and name the people and name 325 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: the places that they're trying to legally pu under this country. 326 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: I'll be back with more than that in a minute 327 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: when I come back. Don't go away, Were back, all right? 328 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back. If you just tune in, you're listening to 329 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: the Mark mass Show, we're talking about the Ukraine money pit, 330 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: how much money has been spent, where did it go 331 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: and what is really going on? So if you've been 332 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: listening all along, you're caught up. If you haven't, you 333 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: missed a lot. Go back and check it out on 334 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: the podcast. Just search the Mark Mas Show and your 335 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: favorite podcast player, or go to YouTube and search Market 336 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: Disruptors and you can watch me and listen to me 337 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: over there. But I want to talk about the names, 338 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: who are the people and what's really going on. So 339 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the names. I already named some 340 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: of them off. I'm going to tell you what they're doing, 341 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: and then you can make up your own mind. But 342 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:41,160 Speaker 1: it looks like to me that Ukraine's on sale. Let's see, 343 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: let's just throw in a war, let's tear up the nation. 344 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: Let's get everyone to flee. Tens of millions of Ukrainians 345 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: have left, and now we have all this land, all 346 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: this agriculture, all this manufacturing, all this technology, and let's 347 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: just chop it up and sell it to the highest bidders. 348 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: So who woul those highest bidders be? Well, again, it's 349 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: the corporations. It's the corporations at the bank. It's JP Morgan, 350 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: Chase and Company. Remember they just set up all these 351 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: meetings for Zelensky to come over to solicit direct investments 352 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: in every major sector in Ukraine's economy. Think about that, 353 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: this just happened. He was just here. JP Morgan set 354 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: it up with every head to invest into their economy. 355 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 1: Let's break it down. So JP Morgan, as I said, 356 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: they're the major lender in the agricultural sector. They provide 357 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: financing to the farmers, the ranchers, agricultural companies. They also 358 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: invest into commodities coin, corn, soybeans, wheat. They're the major 359 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: lender to the mining sector. They provide finance into mining 360 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: companies as well as to the investors. Again, if you 361 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: go back and understand the history of JP Morgan, then 362 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: you'll understand exactly what's going on. They profit from war 363 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: by loaning money. It's exactly what happened in World War One. 364 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: It's exactly what's happening here. JP Morgan Chase is a 365 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: major lender to the IT sector. They provide finance into 366 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: IT companies. They also invest into IT companies. So JP 367 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: Morgan has their hands basically in everything. But it's not 368 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: just JP Morgan. I mentioned Blackstone earlier. Now Blackstone is 369 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: another major company. You hear them buying up all the 370 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: residential real estate in the United States. For example, in 371 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, they acquired a majority stake in Farmland Partners, Inc. 372 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: Which is a real estate investment trust that owns farmland. 373 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: And now Ukraine has all the best farmland in Europe, 374 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: and now Ukraine's on sale. And now you now Zelenski's 375 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: meeting with Blackstone about investments into the nation. Well what 376 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 1: would they be investing into? Oh, could it be farmland. 377 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: Blackstone has other investments in agricultural companies, such as Continental 378 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: Grain Company. In twenty twenty one, Blackstone acquired a majority 379 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: stake in Talis and Lithium, one of the world's largest 380 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: producers of lithium. They have other investments in mining companies, 381 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: have investments in a number of manufacturing companies. They have 382 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: global foundriies that make semiconductors. Here we come back to semiconductors. 383 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: So they have all these things. They have investments in 384 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: Snowflake Incorporated, a data warehousing company. It companies. So Zelenski's 385 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: meeting with him to invest into the country, and what 386 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: are they invest into? All? Turns out all the things 387 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 1: that are on sale in Ukraine. Now they have other 388 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: tie ins. You've heard me talk about Mitch mcconnald. Good 389 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: tole Mitch mcconnald, the guy that needs to retire. If 390 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: you're not demanding his resignation, then what are you even doing. 391 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: He can't even talk have a press conference without locking up. 392 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: He was on the news just this week saying that 393 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: we have to support Ukraine. It's the number one issue 394 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: for Americans. I talked about this earlier, which, no, it's not. 395 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: Why would he say that, does he really? Is he 396 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: really that out of touch? Maybe he is. I don't 397 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: think that's the case. But if we can look we 398 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 1: can see that maybe he has maybe it's his number 399 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,640 Speaker 1: one priority. Why is that? Well, well, we can see 400 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: that McConnell's second largest donor is none other than Blackstone, 401 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: and Blackstone is the one meeting with the Lenski about 402 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: doing major investments in the Ukraine. And if Blackstone, his 403 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: second largest donor, invests into Ukraine and Ukraine loses, what 404 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: happens to their investments? Mm, well, he'd probably go to zero. Yeah. 405 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: He also met with Starwood Capital, private investment firm that 406 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: focuses on real estate. They also invest into agricultural land, 407 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: industrial parks, data centers, things that Ukraine has lots of. 408 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: Starwood Capital owns approximately a million acres of farmland in 409 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: the United States. They'd probably like to own some farmland 410 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: over in Ukraine as well. Also, Zelenski also met with 411 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: Bill Ackman. Bill Ackman is a big investor. He also 412 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: invests into the agricultural sector as well. So some of 413 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: the best agricultural land in the world is on sellover 414 00:22:56,440 --> 00:23:00,479 Speaker 1: in Ukraine. Are you starting to get the picture? Hopefully 415 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: you are all right now? So is Ukraine being torn 416 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: up by war and then being sold off to the 417 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: highest bidder? Well, it sure looks that way now, maybe not. 418 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: I'll let you make your own conclusions. I've just learned 419 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: that where there's smoke there's fire. And I also know 420 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: that there's no such thing as a free lunch. These 421 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: American oligarchs, these Wall Street billionaires, didn't become billionaires by 422 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: giving all their money away. They only became billionaires by 423 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: investing their money into things that they can typically control. 424 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: The outcome of quid pro co you might call it. 425 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: We'll give you the money, but only if you do 426 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: these things for us. That's sort of the way it works. 427 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: So why would they be investing hundreds of billions of 428 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: dollars into Ukraine. Well, they're buying it up. Now, let's 429 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: look back into history again to see if there's any parallels. 430 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: Now you might have heard of there's a movie made 431 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: called Charlie Wilson's War that had Tom Hanks in it. 432 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: What a very good movie. There's a book based on 433 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 1: the same name as well well. But it's not just 434 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,239 Speaker 1: a fictional story. As a matter of fact, it's a 435 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,199 Speaker 1: real story. Charlie Wilson's War is a story that was 436 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: told about the late seventies. In the nineteen seventies, when 437 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan. Charlie Wilson was a US 438 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: congressman from Texas and he began to pound the table 439 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: and try to drum up support for increasing support for 440 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: the Afghanistans, for the rebels to fight back against the Soviets. 441 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: So the Soviets were coming in and he started pounding 442 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: the table. Hey, we have to support people in Afghanistan. 443 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: We to support the rebels. Let's give them weapons, Let's 444 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: give them ammunitions to fight back the Russians. Sounds familiar. Now, 445 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: Afghanistan was on the CIA's radar because of a coup 446 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight that led to a new leader 447 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: who had become allies with the Soviets. So the CIA 448 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,239 Speaker 1: is like, well, now we have to defeat them. So 449 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: they provided support to allow these rebels to defeat this 450 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: new People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan, which was backed by 451 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: the USSR. So Wilson was working with the government and 452 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 1: as with CIA operatives, to provide these rebels with weapons 453 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: and training. So sounds kind of familiar. The group we 454 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: used to work with went with the old party, the Russians. 455 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: We don't want the Russians to have power, so we're 456 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: going to fight against them. But we're not going to 457 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 1: go fight against them. We'll create a proxy war. What 458 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: we'll do is We'll find some rebels and we'll arm 459 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: them instead, and they'll do all our fighting for us. 460 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: Sounds kind of familiar, Well it should, because the story 461 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: has been told hundreds of times. The problem is is that, well, 462 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: we've seen it happen in other countries. What about Oliver 463 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: North in the Iran contra. We saw it in Syria 464 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: with Isis. We've seen this over and over and over. 465 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 1: The problem is is that we build up these rebels 466 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: and we give them all our weapons, and then later 467 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 1: those weapons end up being used for purposes we didn't 468 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: want them to use, for for example, being used against us. Now, 469 00:25:56,280 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: Charlie Wilson is kind of infamous for doing this, but 470 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: like I said, this happens all the time. We see 471 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: that our weapons are funds that we give them, our 472 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: training used during this war allow these groups to then 473 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: go on and conduct terrorism across the Middle East and worldwide. 474 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: We're giving one hundred billion dollars worth of aid, billions 475 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,400 Speaker 1: and billions of dollars of weapons to Ukraine. But where 476 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: is it going. We know a lot of it has 477 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: turned up in some of the cartels in Mexico, for example. 478 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: It's turned up in Afghanistan. Where does it go? That's 479 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: the question. The money doesn't just disappear, It goes to 480 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 1: someone who's getting the money and what for Now, of 481 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: course it's always going to the military company. It's always 482 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: going to the military industrial complex. That's where it's going. 483 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,120 Speaker 1: No matter what, they always get paid and it goes 484 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: to fight these proxy wars. Now, there's a lot more 485 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: to the story that I want to break down so 486 00:26:57,480 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: you can understand. I'm I'm going to put a bow 487 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: tie in this so you can understand this. But I 488 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: got to take a very quick break. If you're just 489 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: tuning in, you're listening to the Mark Mass Show. We're 490 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: breaking down the Ukraine War. We're talking about the money pit. 491 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: We're talking about what's really behind it, what's really going on, 492 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: and the people that are directly involved. I rattled off 493 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 1: their names. We got a lot more to cover when 494 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: I come back. You don't want to miss it, though, 495 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna take a very quick break. Don't go away, 496 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. Hi, welcome back. If you just 497 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,199 Speaker 1: tune in, you're listening to the Mark Mass Show and 498 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: we're breaking down the black hole that is Ukraine. How 499 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: much money got dumped in, Where did the money go, 500 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: who's involved, what's really going on? And we're going to 501 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: try to bring this all to head here. So, as 502 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: I said, throughout history, we can see we documented, we 503 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: just kind of went through Charlie Wilson's War. We can 504 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: see that throughout history, the US government, through the CIA, 505 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: arms rebel groups, gives them arms to fight proxy wars. 506 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: Right We've now this in Afghanistan. I just broke it 507 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: down for you in Afghanistan. We've seen it in El Salvador, Nicaragua. 508 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: So we see it happened. All that we saw happened 509 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: in Syria with ISIS et cetera. That's what happens, and 510 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: that's where we're at now. From a first principles level, 511 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,360 Speaker 1: How does all this work? Well, you have a government 512 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: that maybe the US or whatever doesn't like anymore, and 513 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: so then you get a rebel group and you arm them. 514 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: The US decides to fund this group, give them money, 515 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: give them weapons, and it kind of becomes this sort 516 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: of proxy war. But that's exactly what we're seeing right now. 517 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 1: We can see Lieutenant General Ben Hodges served as the 518 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: commander of the US Army in Europe. He retired in 519 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, and now he's an advisor to NATO, so 520 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: he knows what he's talking about. A lieutenant general US 521 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 1: commander in Europe, retired in twenty seventeen is advisor NATO. 522 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: He said, quote, if you think about it, Russia has 523 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: been for decades and still is an excidential threat for 524 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Europe and the United States. I mean, just listen to 525 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: what their leaders say. Look at the thousand nuclear weapons. 526 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 1: They clearly will keep it going if they're not stopped. 527 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: So what he's saying is that we have to fight. 528 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: The US has to be the one to step up 529 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: and fight them. But how did we get here? Well, again, 530 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: it's sort of this proxy war. We have to take 531 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: control over the government. We can see that it started 532 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: in the winner of twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, when the 533 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: Ukrainian leader refused to sign the European Union Ukraine Association Agreement. 534 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: Russia refused to recognize the interim pro Western government, calling 535 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: it a coup. Is what he called a coup a 536 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: color revolution? What is a color revolution? Do you know 537 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: for sure? Well, let me break down the seven tenets 538 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: of a color revolution and maybe just tell me if 539 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: you think this sounds familiar. So one it starts with 540 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,040 Speaker 1: a semi autocratic rather than a fully autocratic regime. Two, 541 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: you have an unpopular incumbent in office. Three you mount 542 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: up a united and organized opposition to that incumbent. Four 543 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: you have an ability to quickly to drive home the 544 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: point that voting results were falsified, the united organized opposition 545 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: to the incumbent leader the president. And then you have 546 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 1: to quickly drum up support and drive a narrative that 547 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: the voting results were falsified. Five you have to have 548 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: enough independent media to inform the citizens about the falsified vote. 549 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: So now you have to create this era, this aura 550 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: of this fake election. Six, a political opposition capable of 551 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: mobilizing tens of thousands of more demonstrators to protest electoral fraud. 552 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: And finally, seven divisions among the regime's coercive forces. Sounds 553 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: sort of familiar. Now that's the seven pillars. There's also 554 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: five phases. So think about these five phases and maybe 555 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: a country near you that you might have seen some 556 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,080 Speaker 1: of this stuff. So you sort of have like this 557 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: crisis leveraged or contrived. So you start sowing doubt, You 558 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: start building a narrative toward action. You start trying to 559 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: dominate the narrative. You start hijacking institutions. That's in the 560 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: crisis phase. Then the next phase, second phase is chaos, confusion, 561 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: and fear. So now you mix up opposing voices. You 562 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: ridicule and gaslight people. You oversaturate information both correct and inaccurates. 563 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 1: People can't tell the difference. You drive projections and predictions. 564 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: You create limited hangouts, which are whistleblowers that actually work 565 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: for the agencies. This is controlled demolition. If you will, 566 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: then you have the third phase division, labeling and separation. 567 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: So now paint good evil, paint a good evil narrative. 568 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: Introduce outward signs Badge's symbols of an alignment. Separate population 569 00:31:55,880 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: from traditional sources of community poison, organic dialogue HMM like 570 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: disinformation misinformation. Population will begin to self identify and segregate 571 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: along labels. That's stage three. Stage four apathy and doubling down. 572 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: Throttle crisis narrative is required. Too much creates a revolt. 573 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: Too little and apathy is not achieved. Throttle the crisis 574 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: narrative as required, So drum up the crisis narrative as 575 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: they need it. And then throttle it back to get 576 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: just the right amount of apathy. Most separated from past 577 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: friends and community and tired of the chaos, resign themselves 578 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: to apathy. Diehards cement on each side, So you get 579 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: people that are totally entrenched on either side. And then 580 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: most are just separated from their previous friends or previous community, 581 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: and they're tired of this chaos. They just resigned themselves 582 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: to apathy. I just don't care anymore. I'm just tuning out. 583 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 1: Sound familiar. And then finally, the last stage is we 584 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: have the crescendo, contrive a major crisis, manipulate levers of 585 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: power to resolve crisis, and secure initial objective, leverage previous 586 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: narrative to call diehards from extremes to action. How's that 587 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: sound pretty scary? Sound familiar? Those are the color revolutions. Now, 588 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 1: this is what the CIA playbook is. This is what 589 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 1: they've done in country after country after country after country. 590 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the Chinese government put out 591 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: a report I reported on last year basically accusing the 592 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,480 Speaker 1: United States of being behind every color revolution that's happened. Now, 593 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: if any of that sounded familiar, it might sound like 594 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: what We've seen even in the United States, attack and 595 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: incumbent president, so seeds of doubt that his election was valid, 596 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: rise up a mounting force and opposition. You know, like 597 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: how palettes of bricks showed up on street corners, roll 598 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: back the apathy, divide the people onto each side. Sort 599 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,560 Speaker 1: of sounds familiar, right. Anyway, Let's get back into the money. 600 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: So what is the actual cost for this? That's what 601 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: we start talking about. What does the actual cost for this? 602 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 1: So let's take look at this perst sixty minutes. The 603 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 1: US has spent over forty three billion on military to 604 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: Ukraine since Russia invaded. Like I said, it's at least 605 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: seventy five billion, it's probably even more one hundred and 606 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: fifteen million. But that's total amount of money for Ukraine, 607 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: not just for the military. So if we look at 608 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: just the military, potentially we're about a fifty billion, which 609 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 1: is about five percent of the American's defense budget. Now 610 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: that might just be well, but that's about what everybody 611 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,280 Speaker 1: would spend. No, because America spends more than the next 612 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 1: ten nations combined. That means we spend more than Russia, China, Australia, Europe, 613 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,560 Speaker 1: uk everybody combined, so we spend five percent of that. Now, 614 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: that budget that was just raised by twenty six billion 615 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: to eight hundred and forty two billion. So now let's 616 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: do some math. If we go to where the budget 617 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: is now eight or forty two billion, we use the 618 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 1: seventy five billion number, that jumps up to eight point 619 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: nine percent. If we use one hundred and fifteen billion number, 620 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: it's about fifteen percent of the military budget is going 621 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: to Ukraine and they want more aid. Now for compare Garrison. 622 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 1: This is inflation. It's worth knowing that Charlie Wilson's war 623 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: ended up giving Afghanistan three billion dollars. Now, adjusting foreign inflation, 624 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: that's equal to about ten billion in today's dollars. So 625 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: it's only ten billion in that war. This one's one 626 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: hundred billion. Now. Other proxy wars, we have the Anglo 627 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: and Civil War nineteen seventy five to two thousand and two, 628 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 1: there's about thirty billion spent there. The Nicker Roguin Silver 629 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 1: War nineteen seventy ninety to nineteen ninety, about thirty billion 630 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: was spent there. The Syrian Civil War twenty eleven until 631 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,479 Speaker 1: probably still going on, one hundred billion has been spent 632 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: over there. Where does all that money go. It goes 633 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: to the weapon manufacturers, It goes to the war companies, 634 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: It goes to these corporations that are going up and 635 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: investing into all these assets. Whose building supplies, who builds 636 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: the tents, Who builds the shoes for the troops, Who 637 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,760 Speaker 1: supplies the food, Who makes the ammunition that gets fired, 638 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: Who makes the tanks, the jets, all of those things. 639 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,239 Speaker 1: We see this happening all over. So, for example, Poland 640 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: is like kind of tired of dealing with NATO. They 641 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: don't want to do this anymore. And the US said, okay, fine, 642 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: Poland will incentivize you to stay on board. Here's what 643 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: we'll do. Let's just give you some money. How about that. 644 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: How about we'll give you money, but you have to 645 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: spend that money on weapons that we sell you. Now, 646 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: if you know your history, you know that that's just 647 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,640 Speaker 1: a repeating story. It's exactly what happened in World War One. 648 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: So that's the story. That's what's going on. This is 649 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: the money pit, one hundred and fifteen billion down the 650 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: drain going to these military contractors. It's the same old 651 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: story we've seen throughout history, and now you know the 652 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,319 Speaker 1: names of the people who are doing it. I'm not 653 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520 Speaker 1: happy about it, and you probably aren't either. If you're 654 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: just tuning in, you've been listening to the Mark Moss Show. 655 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,759 Speaker 1: We just finished talking about the Ukraine money pit, where 656 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,959 Speaker 1: the money's going and what's really going on. Hopefully enjoyed 657 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: this show. Let me know what you think and that's 658 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: what I got. Thanks for listening.