WEBVTT - Traditional Archery Super Ten with Jake Downs 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.200 Interstate Batteries has been a proud supporter of the Sportsman's 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.000 Nation since day one, with over two d tho locations 0:00:07.000 --> 0:00:11.040 throughout the US and offering twelve thousand different types of batteries. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.400 Stop into your local Interstate Battery store today and let 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:25.200 them help you find the right batteries for your everyday life. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:30.160 And for me. For me, number one, it is family. 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:32.120 I mean, it's like, I can't do any of this 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.640 if I'm sacrificing really what's important in life. But if 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.319 I build that right, and my wife and I are 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.959 were a partnership, and and and and I'm supporting her 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.440 and the things she wants to do, and I'm providing 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.680 for her, and I'm I got all and my kids 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:50.120 are fathered, and I mean, you know, it's like all 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.240 this stuff is in order, then Clay can be gone 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:58.000 for eighteen days like I have been this month. I 0:00:58.040 --> 0:00:59.880 had an old fred Bear hat. I mean I was 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:03.120 a little chubby kid with Fred Bear had on Always 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.679 dream is free, but the hustle is sold separately. Yeah, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.720 that's a really good way to say. I've been waiting 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:18.160 for episodes of this to say that. Usually I say, 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.000 go to a black Bear and if you're gonna if 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.920 you're gonna go guided going to Black Bear and it's affordable, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:36.680 um and uh yeah, and it's fun. My name is 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.319 Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.880 I'll also be your host into the world of hunting 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.720 the icon of the North American wilderness bear. We'll talk 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.840 about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also bring you into 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.400 some of the wildest country on the planet Chasing the Bear. 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:11.000 Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. I believe the 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:17.280 date is May six, and we are in British Columbia, Canada. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.840 We are at jeff Landers Camp, primitive out fitting in 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:28.359 would you guys say, we're in central British Columbia. I 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:30.240 haven't even looked at the man. I have no idea 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:33.720 where we are even know. I know we're like fifty 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.880 yards from that railroad track and seventy from the kidchen. 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:39.519 But if you got on that railroad track, you would 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.440 end up in like Kansas City, no doubt. And then 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:44.640 from Kansas City you could probably get home, depending on 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:46.680 how fast the train was it hits you. I guess 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:51.799 where you landed. Well, we are in British Columbia, and 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.880 I did look at a map and I would describe 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:59.600 this as central eastern British Columbia, kind of kind of 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.760 more to the east. This is the sixth day of 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:08.240 our black bear hunt. And I've got with me here 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:10.200 in the what do they call this cabin? What does 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.239 Aeron call this cabin? He calls it his happy place. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:17.240 I don't know what they call it his favorite place 0:03:17.240 --> 0:03:19.920 in the world because his phone doesn't work here. It 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.520 does not work here. Now we're at so jeff at 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:27.960 primitive outfitting he's got they've got a super nice like uh, 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:31.160 I wouldn't call it a lodge, but a nice camp 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:32.560 where a lot of the guys stay. But then there's 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:36.920 who's like outer bunk houses that were probably built in 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.119 the sixties. I don't know when this was built, but 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:43.720 that's where we're at right now. And Aaron, we're talking 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:45.960 about this, Aaron Snyder, he hunts up here a lot. 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:49.760 And Jake's good friend of Aaron's. But so let me 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:52.360 introduce my guests. I've got with me Brent Reeves, who's 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:55.400 been on the podcast several times. Brent's job is just 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.840 to sip his coffee, try not to make slurping noises 0:03:59.440 --> 0:04:08.760 and to just like maybe comment like every I'm kiding print. No, no, no, Prince, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.320 You're supposed to say stuff like Chile today hot to Molly. 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:17.320 That's the kind of stuff just to say. Okay, so 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.279 y'all know Brent. But Jake Downs. I just met Jake 0:04:21.440 --> 0:04:26.760 this week, and uh, Jake is a I'm gonna let Jake, Well, 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:29.359 this conversation is gonna be a lot about Jake. But 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.960 Jake is an accomplished, accomplished traditional archer, a young man. 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:38.400 Jake's thirty one. Um. I guessed him a little bit 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.840 older by the amount of critters that he's stacked up 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.160 with that tread bow. But not Jake, tell us just 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.359 a little bit about yourself. It's like where you're from 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.440 and and uh kind of what's going on. Yeah, No, 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:58.160 I'm from a little town Shattered, Nebraska, northwest Nebraska. UM. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.960 An electrician there. My wife Lana, and I got a 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:08.000 little two year old Alexa um and we pretty much 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:13.440 live outdoors. It's uh, it's my life. Um, and I'm 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.279 super lucky. Like I said, my wife is is a 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:18.920 big part of why I get to do what I 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:21.080 get to do because she supports me and takes care 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.680 of everything while I'm gone. And I got brothers that 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.680 worked for me, my own my own business. So um, 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:28.440 I can work hard when I need to and play 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.039 hard when I want to. So it's it works pretty good. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:39.640 Yeah man, that's awesome. Um. Now you well, let's see. Yeah, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:42.000 let's we'll go ahead and get into this. So you 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:49.200 have you've taken the super tent with a traditional bow. Um, 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.520 and you said some the other day while we were 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:55.200 out there shooting. You said that, Uh, well, so the 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.400 perception of someone that gets to travel and hunt. And 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.479 for clarification, the su pertend, let's talk about what the 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:08.000 super ten is. The super ten is. Basically, it's a 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:12.760 a way to describe taking the tin species kind of 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:15.560 big game animals in North America, which would be what 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:18.760 tell us what the superten is. I've said this a 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.799 bunch of times, but I'll just I'll just lift them off. Um. Basically, 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.800 so the twenty nine is all big game animals recognized 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.080 by Hope and Young or whatever. Um, So it's one 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:33.320 out of every subspecies. So it's one dear, one elk, 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:42.040 one bear, one moose, one caribou, mountain lion, um antelope, 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:49.600 and then you got sheep, goats, mountain goat, and then um, 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:56.320 what am I missing yep, pison or or muskox. So 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:00.360 so the the twenty nine big game species in North 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:04.279 America would be all those butt inside of like moose. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.679 There's like three different types of moose. There's a Canada moose, 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:11.160 Shiris moose, and Yukon moose. So the superten just says, hey, 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:15.080 just just harvest one of those animals. Yeah, it gives guys, 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:18.600 uh something to shoot for, you know, the twenty nine 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:23.200 Uh it becomes a rich man's game. Not necessarily, but 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.200 I mean there are some like polar bear, um stone sheep, 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.320 some stuff that it's just not realistic. I mean I'm 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.000 not saying I could never get there. I may be 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.440 mortgage in the house to do it, who knows, but 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.640 you know, I'd never want to cut myself off of 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.320 a goal or or whatever. Not that I'm going after that, 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.480 but uh, it just gave me something to shoot for. Um. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.280 I was about halfway there and I was like, hey, 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.960 I'll just keep you and I like going to new places, 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:58.760 new things. So well, so getting to the point out 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:01.760 and that we've defined what the per ten is And 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.960 what you said to me was that, you know, typically 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:08.840 or the stereotype would be that that would be a 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.720 rich man's game to be able to do all those things. 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.240 But you said, you said, uh, if a guy can 0:08:13.280 --> 0:08:17.400 be disciplined, if he can plan ahead and you know, 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.280 pay for some because some of these sings you have 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.160 to be guided on. UM. Some of them you draw for, 0:08:23.880 --> 0:08:26.160 and you work hard for the draws. But I mean 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:32.160 basically you've played the system very well and have succeeded. 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:35.959 I mean inside of now, which of those hunts did 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:41.320 you have to be guided on? Um? Technically? I mean 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.520 the Mountain Goat I was guided on and now I 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.840 had to that was in Alaska. In Alaska, I could 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.120 have obviously waited and drawn that tag maybe like an 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:54.360 Idaho or I could have you know, I sent in 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.440 for all those states. But UM, point creep has gotten 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.080 so bad. You know, I'm young enough that I and 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:04.280 I didn't start early enough that I it's not really 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:07.040 didn't start putting in when you're nine years old? No, 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.360 I didn't. Uh my dad used to take us hunting, 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:13.040 you know, we do that. But I didn't really start 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:16.320 doing the points until I was almost twenty, so I 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.839 was kind of out of the game. You can always 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.240 get lucky, but I I just you know, decided, like 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.520 I told you, just Um, some of these hunts you 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:29.160 can just book in advance a couple of years. Usually 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.480 good outfitters are booked out at least a year or 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:35.280 two in advance. Anyway. UM, so the BIS and I 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.760 was guided on. Because of that reason, the bis and 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.120 I was guided on, and that would be a really 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.520 tough one to get without a guide. But you can't 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.840 do it Arizona. You can draw a tag. And there's 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:52.079 some other spots that are that are there's only the ones, 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.400 and I'm by no means an expert, but there are 0:09:56.360 --> 0:10:03.400 there are I believe three while bison herds, one in Alaska, 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:09.600 one in Alberta. I think Pink Mountains in Alberta. UM. 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:13.280 But but anyway, that's neither here nor there. But yeah, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.920 there's there's a few. There are places where you can 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:20.439 hunt bison. A guy could actually do it. The place 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:22.560 to live would be Colorado to do it, because they've 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:26.920 got the big eight um, which is of course they're 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:32.080 missing caribou. Um. So Colorado has eight of them. Well 0:10:32.240 --> 0:10:34.600 don't if you count the bison, which there's there's some 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.439 places that are there are considered free ranch bison Colorado, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.600 they don't have any that well, um yeah, I mean 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.400 they that is a free range Uh yeah, but that 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:48.480 would be a guided hunt because that's a ranch. There 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:51.560 is no draw on bison in Colorado. But they're Big eight. 0:10:51.920 --> 0:10:54.760 I think they consider a white tail and a mule 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:58.120 deer in that. So there's two deer on on the 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.640 Big eight. Because I've leave they're missing well, I know 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:08.199 they're missing caribou. Um, they'd have a mountain lions and yeah, 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:13.080 they'd have everything except for caribou bison. I mean as 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.720 far as drawing it, um, that might be it maybe, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.640 but anyway, yeah, I know it's uh, it's doable, you know, 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:27.240 if you if you budget your time and budget your Um. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.360 I mean, I'm in no way making minimum wage. I'm 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.560 not saying that. But what I'm saying is when I started, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.040 I was working. Uh I think honestly, I was making 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.440 like thirteen bucks an hour, twelve bucks an hour, and uh, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:44.080 I was just like, I want to go bear hunt. 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.800 So I just booked a two thousand dollar bear hunt 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.280 and paid on it for a couple of years and 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.400 went bear hunting, and I that was what opened my eyes. 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:57.880 I was like, man, I do this? Bear was the 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:00.800 first one you went on bear? You Sparrow was, you 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.439 know first? I think that's notable on the Bear Hunting 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:07.920 Magazine podcast for real, because black bear really is probably 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:12.360 the most accessible it is got, you know, traveling guided 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.560 hunting because of the opportunity there bears everywhere, the hunts 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:22.160 are relatively inexpensive, and there the seasons are happening at 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:24.719 the time in the spring when not much else is 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.240 going on. So I tell people that all the time. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.440 People ask me, you know, what do I what do 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:33.320 I do? What? You know? I've killed, I've you know, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:36.960 I've killed antelopen deer. I wanted something else and once 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.800 something new, What should I go do? And usually I say, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.640 go to a black bear. And if you're gonna, if 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.559 you're gonna go guided, going to black bear and it's affordable, 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:51.040 um and uh yeah, and it's fun like, um, you know, 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.160 this is a spotting stock hunt. Uh And I love it. 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.280 This is fun. It's fun to sneak on bears. But 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.520 I'll be honest, it's fun to sit and watch bears 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:02.880 come to you. I mean, you know, I have no 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.440 problems with bated hunts. Uh. I've sat on bait for 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.920 long hours and not seen it. I sat for my well, 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:14.160 my very first hunt, I went to Idaho and I 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.360 sat for a full week and never saw a bear. 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:22.080 Never never laid eyes on a bear. Um. I always 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.800 joked because, uh, there was actually a blind guy in camp, 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.640 and I always say, Well, what I say is there's 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.840 two guys in camp that uh I didn't see a 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:39.520 bear and one guy shot one. So yeah, this guy 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.560 sat behind him and lined him up and it's crazy. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:45.280 So so it wasn't like I went to a bad spot. Um. 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:48.040 I made a good friend with with the guy there. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:51.720 They the outfit changed names. I've never been back there, 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:56.600 but um yeah, I mean people get a you know, 0:13:56.720 --> 0:13:59.080 you can come up to Canada and you can go 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:01.760 to some places it's just crawling with bears, but you 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.520 can also I've been in Canada and uh, one of 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:07.959 the places I went, I didn't end up with a bear. 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:11.640 I saw two bears in a week. And so I mean, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:15.680 do your research if you're gonna go bear hunting, Uh, 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.440 maybe not look for the biggest deal out there. But um, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.000 even those places a lot of times are good. And 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.280 what's cool about bear hunting. You don't have to get 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:26.440 up at four o'clock in the morning and walk your 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:29.480 butt off. Usually you're hunting the afternoons. You're hunting the afternoons. 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.160 And when you're in Canada, a lot of times you 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:33.600 go fishing. I mean, it's a it's a family thing 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:37.040 to take your family. It's you know, your family can 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:38.840 hang out in the cabin. There's a lot of places 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:42.000 that have cabins that are really fun. Right on the water. 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:44.840 That was one place me and my dad went and 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.560 uh fished all day. He caught fish and cooked it 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.360 every night. I mean, it was it's Bear hunting has 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 got to be one of the most fun things to do. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.800 And there's nothing else to do in the spring, like 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.160 other than turkeys, you know, but if I got choice 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:02.320 between turkeys and bears, I'll go, you know, hunt bears. Yeah. Uh. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.440 And what's it's awesome that you just said all that, 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:08.080 because that's what that's what we say all the time, 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.440 is that what other big game animals can you hunt 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.920 in the spring? What other big game animals are as 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:17.200 widely distributed and the opportunities there and and jeez, we 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.320 found out and have experienced it again this week. This 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:27.520 is a challenging hunt. The challenging hunt. UM. So before 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:29.840 we jump into bears, because what I want to do 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:31.360 is I want to I want to talk a little 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:35.160 bit more about your traditional archer hunting. UM. But then 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.440 I do want to talk about this week. So let's 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.320 go back to the super ten. So what got us 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.960 there was you said that the first outfitted like traveling 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:47.600 hunt you did outside of Nebraska was a bear hunt. UM, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.400 so you took these animals with a traditional bow. When 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.600 did you start traditional archery hunting? And what what was 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:55.520 that transition like was? I think that's a lot of 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.000 the questions A lot of people have. Lots of guys 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.200 are shooting compound archery. I mean almost everybody. There's there's 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.760 a very few people that are just rifle hunters anymore. 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.720 I mean, like everybody's got a compound bow, and more 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:09.800 and more we're seeing people that are getting interested in 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.960 traditional archery. It's become, um, it's become a more mainstream 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.720 to shoot traad boats. But the thing that messes with 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:21.080 everybody's mind is is if I go traditional, am I 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:24.360 gonna quit killing game? You know. I mean, so how 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.880 do you make that transition? I know, for me, for 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.680 ten years, I mean I got my first trad boat 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.600 early on, I mean, uh two thousand three or something. 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.840 And for ten years, basically I just kinda I was 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.160 on that fencive I could carry this, but it's gonna 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.640 limit me so much, and you know, and at the time, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.200 I was just a young hunter, just happy to take 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:50.880 game anyway I could. So it's like I did, I 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.080 wasn't quite ready to have that limitation. And then in 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.320 the last five and six years I've taken on that 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:01.680 challenge more readily. But what was your transition? Like, uh, yeah, 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:05.879 I'm like, I'm I'm extremely on the weird side. I 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:09.600 guess I've told that. So when I started bow hunting, 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:12.919 I when I was a kid, my dad bow hunted. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.760 He killed a bunch of big white tales with a 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.000 bow and uh he was He shot a old I 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.199 don't even know what it was, old tiny wheel compound, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:28.199 no sights and with fingers. Um. And so that's how 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.600 I started with a compound. That's how I killed My 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.040 first year was with just a bare, bare bow com 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:40.639 tiny wheels. Yeah, that was my nickname. Um well, so 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:42.800 that's how I started. I killed my first few deer 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.520 with that, and uh, it was just a gradual you know. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.400 It took me a few years to kill my first dear. 0:17:48.440 --> 0:17:52.560 I think I might have been fifteen, sixteen, I don't 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.399 you know, start you start when you're twelve. We hunted 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:58.280 elk every year with muzzleloaders. I mean I I started 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:00.640 out kind of that way, but I loved the bow. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:04.199 Like um, I can remember going elk hunting when I 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:07.560 was twelve and taking my bow, not to hunt elk with, 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.560 but to shoot grouse or whatever. Like that was my thing. 0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:13.600 The bow. I had an old Fred Bear hat. I mean, 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.040 I was a little chubby kid with Fred Bear hat 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:21.080 on always. My transition was weird. I I killed my 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:23.800 first couple of year, and then when I was probably 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.040 I don't know, I was probably sixteen ish, I bought 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.560 a Hoit game Master Recurve because I was I think 0:18:30.560 --> 0:18:33.720 I was shooting Hoits compounds and it just looked cool, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.840 you know, it has them, had the machine riser. I 0:18:35.880 --> 0:18:38.320 was like, man, this is this is cool looking. I'm 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:40.399 gonna try to be like Fred Bear, you know, I'm 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:43.920 gonna That's what my theory was so I started shooting 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:46.680 it and struggling, and of course I did what everybody 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:49.439 shouldn't do. I bought a fifty five pound bow, and 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.960 because I was shooting sixty pounds on my compound, I thought, well, heck, 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:57.400 I can do this. So um, so I struggled with it. 0:18:57.720 --> 0:19:01.800 I killed a rabbit with it, and uh, I think 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.440 I hunted with it for like a year, missed some deer, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:09.960 just had had trouble, and sold it, went back to 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:12.680 I'm not even sure I really went back to a compound. 0:19:12.760 --> 0:19:15.440 I kind of took some time off there, and then 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.720 I finally went was going to college and working and 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.280 and uh, I bought another game master somewhere right around 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:26.439 that nineteen It all gets kind of blurry. Um those years. 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:31.119 But um started shooting that struggling again, and I did 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.600 the same thing. I bought a heavy bow. And there 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.680 wasn't all this. There wasn't an Aaron Snyder out there, 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:41.359 uh talking about tuning and how to actually work into it, 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.640 and the and the clubs out there where you could 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:47.159 get on and what you know by their video and 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:51.080 actually learned form all the good stuff that people have 0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:57.040 the available to them these days. So I guess long winded. 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.320 To answer your question, I am very range. I worked 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:06.679 from instinctively shooting moved into a compound because when I 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:10.720 you start, you started with kind of the yeah. I mean, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.399 I can. I think when I was a kid, I 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:14.800 might have had sites on my bow at one time 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.520 or another, but I don't really remember having sites on 0:20:17.560 --> 0:20:21.120 my bow ever as a thing until I was about 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:25.360 twenty ish and I had this recurve and I had 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:27.400 some extra money, so I was like, all right, And 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:29.480 I was at this point, I'm a big fan of 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:33.640 fred Eichler, so he was kind of switching back and forth. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.280 So I was like, I'm gonna buy a compound with 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.200 sites and do all that and then I can hunt 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.160 with the recurve. And the I did find myself still 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.879 when I still hadn't killed much, going on an antelope 0:20:44.880 --> 0:20:49.000 stock and having both in the truck and grabbing the 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.399 re curve. It was just something I I knew I 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:58.080 didn't have as good of a chance with it, but um, 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.960 it's just the recurve. You I was drawn to it. 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.160 I like the simplicity of it. It was just, um, 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.119 so did you So you did some? You did some 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:12.360 compound hunting then in your twenties then is that right? Yeah? Yeah, 0:21:12.400 --> 0:21:14.480 And I mean I still hunt with a compound now 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:17.200 and then, Uh, this year I haven't done as much. 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:20.440 Last year I killed a couple of animals. Usually it's 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.960 for me. It's kind of like my rifle hunt people. 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.160 I still don't. I still don't. There's times when you don't. 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.320 You don't choose your weapon as the limiting factor. That's 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.000 the way that I describe some of my hunting. It's 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:34.679 like sometimes the hunt, I don't want the weapon to 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:40.520 be the limiting factor. The animal, the terrain, the maybe 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:43.240 even the environment. I mean maybe I'm going somewhere with 0:21:44.160 --> 0:21:47.359 friends and family and I just their rifle hunting and 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:48.960 I'm just saying, you know what I'm gonna you know, 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.480 so you choose where you want that limiting factor to be. Yeah. 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.679 But I it's funny. I have friends of mine that 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:58.119 asked me, like, how do you choose what boat you're 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.399 gonna take? And I'm like, you know, I it's I 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.719 don't know, you know. I I killed some stuff with 0:22:02.800 --> 0:22:06.919 the with the re curve. That's my main weapon. Um. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:11.600 And then antelope for a good example in Nebraska. Uh, 0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:14.439 we don't have a lot of water holes. The rains 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:16.879 pretty open. I got a few spots you can get 0:22:16.920 --> 0:22:19.840 pretty close, but not you know, pretty close being forty yards. 0:22:19.880 --> 0:22:23.000 And I love eating antelope, so almost every year I 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.240 grabbed the compound and I go shoot one. And that's 0:22:26.240 --> 0:22:28.800 one of those hunts where I just want an antelope, 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.439 you know. To me, that was what we're describing here, 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.640 is the ability to move from weapon to weapon. And 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.600 when I first started, when I first got into traditional archery, 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:43.240 the mentality was inside of like the hardcore traditionalist guys, 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.159 was that if boy's all or nothing. I mean I 0:22:46.880 --> 0:22:49.720 literally had the guy that kind of mentored me and 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.720 a great man that I respected this day and thank 0:22:52.840 --> 0:22:55.520 him for getting me into traditional archery. I mean he 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.480 was kind of like and in some ways he was right. 0:22:58.480 --> 0:22:59.800 He was like, if you want to be proficient with 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:01.960 the ad bow and actually do good, you gotta go 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:06.240 all trad And I mean I totally get that, but 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:08.880 but so I struggled with that because I wasn't ready 0:23:08.880 --> 0:23:10.600 to dive all the way in. But now I think 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.800 what we're seeing is guys that are that you can 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.200 move back and forth and it's not just like the 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:18.960 ultimate sin to move back and forth. I tell guys 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:21.560 all the time like I've heard that one too, and 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:24.080 I've heard I had one guy tell me that. While 0:23:24.240 --> 0:23:27.800 he wasn't telling me, an outfitter told me about him. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.679 Apparently he was a terrible, terrible shot with a with 0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.840 a recurve, but that's what he wanted to hunt with. 0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:38.400 But he decided to shoot his recurve left handed because 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.879 he shot his compound right handed. That was his so 0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:45.320 he didn't mess up his form, so he didn't mess up. 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:50.600