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Speaker 1: And for me. For me, number one, it is family.

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Speaker 1: I'll also be your host into the world of hunting

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Podcast. I believe the

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Speaker 1: date is May six, and we are in British Columbia, Canada.

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Speaker 1: trad bow. And I'm not saying like grip and rip

424
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: it type of stuff, But if I just put that

425
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 1: pin where I know I would be looking and just

426
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: let it and just let the bow go off, it

427
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: lands there. You know it's um. What is the so

428
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: of all of all the supertan, what was the toughest hunt? Uh? God,

429
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: I should have known you were gonna ask me that. Um. Well,

430
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: let me I'll give you mentally or some of the

431
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: hunts were mentally tough, like the goat hunt. That was

432
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: very mentally tough because that was the most I'd ever

433
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: spent on an animal as far as uh, and it

434
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: was mentally tough because the terrain was tough. I was

435
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: in Alaska. We uh we got rained out for three

436
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: days and uh, you know, so there's three of your

437
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: I think it was a six or seven day hunt. So,

438
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: UM that that one was mentally tough knowing and then

439
00:25:55,720 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: also the fact that, um, and this is most case says,

440
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: but if you wound one, you're done. If you draw blood,

441
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: you're done. So I wanted a close shot, so that

442
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: that's that puts a lot of pressure on you just

443
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,199
Speaker 1: to make a good shot and and hope that it

444
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: doesn't fall off a cliff to somewhere where you can't

445
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: get it. I mean that hunt was was it was.

446
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: It was mentally tough because the pressure um, as far

447
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: as actually taking the goat was not as I don't

448
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 1: know make I'm not gonna make light of it. We

449
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: did see I killed my goat on the second day

450
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: of hunting, full full day of hunting. We we hiked

451
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: up the morning before stocked. A billy got within twenty

452
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: nine yards and I wanted to get just a little closer,

453
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 1: and it moved and and caught my silhouette on a

454
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: on a hill ridge top and he was gone. And

455
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: then the next day we didn't find any billies until

456
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: midday and they were clear across and we ended up

457
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: making a a big long stock. And you know, I

458
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: tell people I'm lucky a lot, and I really feel

459
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: like a lot of hunting is luck. But you gotta

460
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 1: make that luck. It's not like I'm like, oh, I'm

461
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: just wandering all around the woods shooting and getting lucky.

462
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: It's you work hard and then eventually it's just something

463
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: happens exactly. The animals are not lucky that day because

464
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: I mean, we this goat we had saw we we

465
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: really had saw the goats from Afar, but we knew

466
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: there was goats where we were hunting. So we were like, well,

467
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna try to find these goats. And those goats

468
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: laid up there all morning till noon, and finally we're like,

469
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: we're just gonna go after him. So we made a huge, long,

470
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: probably hour long stock, ended up getting above where we

471
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: thought this goat was just in time, like he probably

472
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: within five minutes he got up below us because we

473
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: couldn't look over the ledge. He was probably within ten

474
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: yards of us, but there was a billy up on

475
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,919
Speaker 1: the hill looking towards us. So we had no idea

476
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 1: and we were both me and the guy, who was

477
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: an amazing guy. We were looking at each other like

478
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do now? And then all of

479
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: a sudden we just we didn't have to make a decision.

480
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: It got made for us. And then Billy walked out.

481
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: I want to say yards and that's a long poke

482
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: for tread. Somebody is really good it, uh, you know,

483
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: And and I'll be honest, I didn't make a perfect shot,

484
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: but I hit him a little far back. He ran

485
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: down the hill and if an animals still standing, I'm

486
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: still launching and arrows. So I ran up to a

487
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: little knoll and he stopped about forty yards quarter in

488
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 1: pretty hard away, and I angled one, just passed his

489
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: hip into him and he ran up and uh, and

490
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: he went up onto a snow bank, got kind of high,

491
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: and he got on this big ice patch snow patch

492
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: and lost his legs and just slid to the bottom

493
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: and he was done, like he um. You know. It

494
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: only took me basically a day and a half to

495
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: get this billy on the ground. But in my mind,

496
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: if we were through that Scott stock up, there was

497
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: enough goats up there that I was gonna get plenty

498
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: of stocks. Like I I felt pretty confident I was

499
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: gonna get a good shot. Um. That's one good thing

500
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: about goat hunting. And they you know, they're not, um

501
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 1: that weird because there's not that much for predators up there.

502
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: I mean the US there fairly not easy to stalk.

503
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 1: But terrain, Yeah, the terrain is what makes it tough

504
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: just because of something. And where we were was fairly mild.

505
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean there were some spots where it wasn't so

506
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: mild where we were, but where we stocked him was

507
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: was extremely mild for goat country. Um. And then you

508
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: uh so just moving kind of moving quickly through the

509
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: super tin the sheep. That would probably be a big

510
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: thing that people would just say, Man, how am I

511
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: going to ever afford you know, sheep hunts somewhere? But

512
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: you drew a U tag in what state? Nevada? He

513
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: he told me the story last night. But you drew

514
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: a U tag in Nevada over the counter and went

515
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: in and did your homework and uh and killed killed

516
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: a U over water. Well and I'll just you said

517
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: over the counter, but it is actually a drink. You

518
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 1: didn't buy it out. You didn't. It wasn't out, No,

519
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 1: it was um. It was a UM and and now

520
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 1: it's I've sent in for it since. And uh what

521
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: happened was they made the Nevada game parks put this

522
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: um I think there was They gave three tags and

523
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: then it just started the year that and a buddy

524
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: of mine found out about it and told me about it,

525
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: and me and him and another guy sent in for it,

526
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: and two of us drew. Of course that found out

527
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: about it didn't draw. Now it's only I mean, it's

528
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: like a fift because more people found out of it.

529
00:30:57,840 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: That was the first year, so nobody knew about it,

530
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: so nobody seen you just we I got lucky that

531
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: he let me in on that. And uh, that was

532
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: a really fun hunt went up there. And and it

533
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been tough with the

534
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: stick on the ground just because of the it's so

535
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: open and it was real shelley and and pretty loud

536
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: stalking and I was getting forty yards easy. But like

537
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: I said, I had set up a ground blind. I

538
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: had no I didn't even think that that was gonna work,

539
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: but it ended up working. And and see that's that's

540
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, just your your track record

541
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: is telling me you just have a way of figuring

542
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: out how to make it work. And that's what a

543
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: good hunter does, is just figuring out how to make

544
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: it work. You're you're moose. That's another one. People might

545
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: be like, well, heck, how am I going to afford

546
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: dollar Yukon moose hunt? Well, he you drew a tag

547
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: in Colorado, a cow tag, and so you know, when

548
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: I looked through the pictures of your Super ten, I

549
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: thought it was awesome because you had a you had

550
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: a U sheep, you had a big old cow elk,

551
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: which would have been a chiris, I mean, you know

552
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight, right, um. And uh so

553
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like you. I mean I think

554
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: it's cool. I mean you you worked it, and you

555
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: experience those hunts you experienced call you know, taking these

556
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: animals the meat, and and I've seen this week that

557
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: you're not a you don't really care about the head gear. Obviously,

558
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: I know you'd like to kill big critters, but I

559
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: mean you're just as tickled to take whatever. Yeah, yeah,

560
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: I know, it's and that's I always you know, I've

561
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: bring fred Eichler up a lot. And I know, you know,

562
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: he's he's commercialized a little bit. Now. I think he's

563
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: still the same kind of guy. But you know, you

564
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: can't blame a guy for for jumping on the money train.

565
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: But back when I was watching him and he had

566
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: his old videos and stuff, and he was, you know,

567
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: shooting doze or cow elk and and actually he's the

568
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: one that I got the idea for the sheep and

569
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: the moose. That's how that's what he has. I mean,

570
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: he's got a one of his sheep is a you

571
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: and one of his and his shivers moose is a cow.

572
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: And so that, you know, that's what And I was like, man,

573
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: that's awesome. He got to go and hunt and you

574
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: get the same experience. I mean like when you killed

575
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that when you killed that sheep, you said that there

576
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: were big, huge rams standing right beside the you that

577
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: he killed. I mean, you know you could have did it. Yeah,

578
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: I could have killed it. I could have killed a ram,

579
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: and I could have. Honestly, on the moose hunt, the

580
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: moose might have been one of the tougher hunts because

581
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: on the moose hunt, all I was seeing was big bulls. Um,

582
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: it was harder to find a cow was to find ah.

583
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: And you wouldn't think that, you know what I mean? Uh,

584
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: And a lot of times people don't realize that, you know,

585
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: if you go with a cow tag. Any time I've

586
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: ever had a cow elk tag, I've seen nothing but

587
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: bulls and any and in the cows are are smarter

588
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: than the bulls, you know, I mean if honestly, they're

589
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: in survival mode always. You know, bulls are you know,

590
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: they can tell them right and and I'm not saying

591
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: a big old bull isn't smart, but he can let

592
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: his guard down and a cow I don't think ever.

593
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: So Um, it doesn't take away from the challenge. There's

594
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: more of them, that's the only advantage there is. But

595
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: sometimes that's a disadvantage because if groups up, sometimes they're

596
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 1: grouped up. You know, the females are going to be

597
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 1: grouping out. Um brand any thoughts on the supertank because

598
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 1: I want to transition into this hunt, because because Jake

599
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: killed the bear this week and we're still after one.

600
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: This is this is the question I got. How do

601
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: you how did you get to the point to where

602
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,800
Speaker 1: you you thought, well, hey, you know I've got I

603
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: think I've got all these animals here. I can do this, this, this,

604
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: and I can have a super tend to somebody say, hey, Jake,

605
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: look at what you've done here. Or did you start

606
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: out at the beginning saying this is what I'm gonna do.

607
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill this, do the super teen right? Um No? Actually, uh,

608
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I was probably about halfway before I thought I could

609
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: probably get it done, you know, and actually went after it.

610
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: I mean I knew about it all, you know, always

611
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: thinking it would be kind of a cool. Honestly, when

612
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: I was younger, uh you know, guys like you know,

613
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: I read um Chuck Adams book, you know, the Super

614
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Slam book, and then uh Fred went and did it

615
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: with the with the re curve, and I was like, man,

616
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: that is cool, but that is there's no you know,

617
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: I've killed you know, handful of deer and an antelope

618
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: and this and that and and a bear or whatever.

619
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: Actually it was a mountain lion that I'd killed. But um,

620
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: I was like, man, that'd be cool. It's kind of

621
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 1: a lifetime goal, like I can do this. And then

622
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: as I knocked a cup more off the list got

623
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: about halfway done. I was, I'll just keep you know,

624
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: every year, I'll try to go on another adventure and

625
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: and every year, you know, I got my business, so

626
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: I was able to um have a little more free

627
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: time at certain points, and it's only gotten a little

628
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: better and better. UM. So it kind of I always

629
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 1: knew about it, but and it was maybe always kind

630
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: of a goal in my head as far as eventually.

631
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: But when I got four or five animals, then it

632
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: was like all right, and and it kind of went

633
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm very goal oriented it once I set one. It

634
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: it's just let me follow that. Let me follow that

635
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: question that with this one. Was it when you first

636
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: knew about it, when you first learned about it, about

637
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: the super tan and then you started clicking them off?

638
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: Was it harder than you thought it would be more

639
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: of a challenge or was it easier? Did it come

640
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: to you like, man, I can't believe that this is happening. Um.

641
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: At the beginning, it was. It was hard. I went

642
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: on quite a few. Actually, that's funny because the bear

643
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 1: was one of the harder animals to get for me. UM.

644
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: I had a couple hunts or I didn't see any,

645
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot, and uh, I was bargain hunting.

646
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: All the places I went were good places. I never

647
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: had a bad bad experience. I'm not saying I but uh,

648
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: I mean there just wasn't the mass bears like you see.

649
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: So once I got that accomplished, Um, it started clicking

650
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: a little bit more as I went. I mean it

651
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: seems kind of well. It mean that makes sense. But um,

652
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: the first few animals to get we're tough and and elk.

653
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: When did you complete it? Uh? Last year? What animal

654
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: completed this? Lam My bison? I actually shot? It was Uh,

655
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: last year was kind of a crazy year. I shot

656
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: a mountain goat in September and then a bison and

657
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: December to finish it. So and so you're thirty one

658
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: years old. That's that's pretty cool, you know. To me,

659
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: always a guy, I got. The cool thing about hunting

660
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: in North America is that a guy can find the

661
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: challenge that is scripted just for him and what he

662
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: needs to do. I mean, like, I'll probably never even

663
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: attempt to do this supertend my goals right now inside

664
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: of my life, or to bear hunt all across this

665
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: great land and and experience all that the bear huntingware.

666
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: I mean like that's pretty unique challenge. I mean, not

667
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: many people are trying to do that, but for my

668
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: world that those are my main goals. Now I'm still

669
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: doing a lot of other stuff. But but because I

670
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: think sometimes like the reason we're having you on this

671
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: podcast is not to elevate the slam to this thing,

672
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of people that are never going

673
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: to do that. And that's not But what I like

674
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: about what I see and here inside of you is

675
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 1: that you set a goal, You built your you build

676
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: your business, you build your family, and you kind of

677
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: built your life like pointed in this direction. And it

678
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: took a lot of coordination and it took a lot

679
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: of and and now I don't know your family and stuff,

680
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: but you know, I know there's a lot of people

681
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: that have wrecked their families pursuing goals and and and

682
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: I when I hear you talk about your family and wife,

683
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: like I I I hear that you've calculated them into

684
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: the equation. And so it's like you kind of got

685
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: this think prioritized and uh, it just and if you

686
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: prioritize your life and you get a lot of stuff

687
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: right And for me, for me, number one, it is

688
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: family I mean it's like I can't do any of

689
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: this if I'm sacrificing really what's important in life. But

690
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: if I build that right, and my wife and I

691
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: are we're a partnership, and and and and I'm supporting

692
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: her and the things she wants to do, and I'm

693
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: providing for her, and I'm I got all and my

694
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: kids are fathered, and I mean, you know it's like

695
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: all this stuff is in order, then Clay can be

696
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: gone for eighteen days like I have been this month. Um.

697
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people miss that, Jake.

698
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 1: And uh, because there's a there's there's guy. I was

699
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: reading a book yesterday. This it's a hunting book, and

700
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: this guy just nonchalantly made a comment that he hunted

701
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: as a guy trying to train a pack of hounds.

702
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name the book. And he and his

703
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: wife left him just because he hunted too much. And

704
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: he just said it like it was just like no

705
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: big deal and he just moved on. And I anyway,

706
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm a family man, Jake, I mean me too. Yeah,

707
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: And see that's what people don't understand. I actually had

708
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: a guy comment here's what I get, Um, I get

709
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: the comment, Oh, you're so lucky, You're you're so lucky

710
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 1: to get to to go um or it'd be nice

711
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: when do you work? And you know, I don't even

712
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't honestly bother me. But when I get those

713
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: calm ments, I'm like, well, so anyway, I I said

714
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: something about that, you know, hey, uh, I can't remember

715
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: what I was doing. But um, it's gotta be a balance.

716
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: It's got to be a balance of everything. I spend

717
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: a ton of time with my family. I spend a

718
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,439
Speaker 1: ton of time working. I mean, my brothers are big

719
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: help to me when I'm when I'm gone, they're taking

720
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: care of things. They you know, they work for me.

721
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: There I can trust them. That works. And like you

722
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: were saying, I built every part of my life around

723
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: this and and people. You know, I drive a fourteen

724
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: thousand dollar truck, not a fifty thousand dollar truck. Um.

725
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I live in a pretty nice home. But

726
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,919
Speaker 1: it was just by sheer luck and it didn't cost

727
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 1: me that much. But so I don't even really know

728
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at. But there's gotta be a balance.

729
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: You can't spend all day Sunday watching football and expect

730
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: to you know, Sunday, if I'm home, me and the

731
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 1: family or hiking, or me and the family are going

732
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: fishing or um, you know, if I'm home, that's what

733
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm doing. I'm spending my time with my family. Think

734
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: what you're trying to say, Jake, is the dream is free,

735
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: but the hustle is sold separately. Yeah. That's a really

736
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: good way to say. I've been waiting for episodes to

737
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: say that. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good way to say it. It.

738
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: Um you know, I mean I when I'm at home,

739
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: usually I'm up by four o'clock in the morning. Uh,

740
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm doing something paperwork or sometimes I'm playing

741
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: with my little girl because she's awake to Uh sometimes

742
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 1: she's doing paperwork. Yeah, I wish she could. Um, you know,

743
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just well, what what I'm here. I

744
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: think it's really clear what you are saying and what

745
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing is that you work hard for this. I

746
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: mean you're not you're not a rich boy that just

747
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: gets to do what he wants and has the money

748
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: to go. I mean you're working for this stuff, and

749
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: and that's that's what's cool and that I guess it's

750
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: probably surprising and would be to a lot of people.

751
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: Um is that these things are doable if if it's

752
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: what you want to do. But and I'm not suggesting

753
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: that everybody should do it either, because I don't want

754
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: I don't want all the competition, you know. Leave the

755
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,959
Speaker 1: U tags for Jake, That's right, that's all. I gotta

756
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: stop talking about that stuff because people are are definitely

757
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: getting more involved in that because um but yeah, I mean, uh,

758
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Most of the people that actually say

759
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: that that you're so lucky, they don't even hunt deer

760
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 1: when they can, I mean in their backyard, so it's

761
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: just a thought, you know. And they romantic size hunting.

762
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: They don't. A lot of people romanticize hunting. And a

763
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: lot of people bear hunting this like, and I'm not

764
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: saying bear hunting is easy. That is not what I'm

765
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: saying at all. I'm just saying it's more laid back

766
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: than like a backpack elk hunt. When you're grinding every

767
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: day all day and you know you're eating your mountain

768
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: house in the tent, going what am I doing up here?

769
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: This is the insane. I would rather go back to work.

770
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 1: It's tough, you know. I mean some of the vacations

771
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: and I use the air quotes on that, uh, that

772
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: I take are not vacations. I mean I'm working harder

773
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: when I come back from some hunts, I tell my

774
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 1: wife because you know, the perception is you've been out

775
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: for a week doing something you're passionate about. And I say,

776
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been in a war. Exhausted. Now

777
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: it's time to get rest of that. Ba. What did

778
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: I say? You know, when we left the lodge as

779
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: while to come over here to do this. That's something

780
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: I've been leaving back to work. So I get some red. Yeah, exactly. Hey,

781
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: we're at uh let's let's we've got about ten minutes here,

782
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: and uh, I want to just briefly. We got I

783
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: gotta go kill a bear. This is seventh sixth day

784
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: in my hunt. We gotta leave tonight. Um, but I

785
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: want to talk just real briefly about so this hunt.

786
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: And I'm not even gonna get into my side of it.

787
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: We'll all do that later. But you killed the bart

788
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: on the first day. Well, I'm not very picky. Um,

789
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: you know. For me, Uh, opportunity is my window. And

790
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: to be honest, I've killed a lot of big animals

791
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: that way. Uh, And I've killed some small ones and

792
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: and my bear is just an average bear, just you know.

793
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: We we snuck up on it and the guide was

794
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: back and forth, all shoot it, man, I don't know,

795
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: he's not very big. He shooted. I don't you know

796
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: he he was? And you were like, let me help

797
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 1: you make that? Yeah, you know. Um, for me, uh,

798
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: it's just a I love to hunt and I have

799
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: all I've killed some big bears I killed. I think

800
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: we weighed that when I killed last year, and he

801
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: was like three fifty three sixty not a huge skull

802
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: like I think he was like eighteen and three quarter

803
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: eighteen and five eights. I don't know something, my tax

804
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: terms measured it whatever, But um, I'm not a trophy hunter.

805
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: I like to kill big animals, mature animals, but I

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: don't have to for a hunt to go to be successful.

807
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: For me, I I this bear is gonna eat really good.

808
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: And and I love I loved you know. I didn't

809
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: know you at all coming into this hunt. And the

810
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: first thing you said, really before you even knew who

811
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: I was and what my mission inside of you know,

812
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: hunting is, you said, man, I'm here for the meat. Truly,

813
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: you truly like bear mate. Yeah, I do. Uh. It's

814
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 1: funny because not very many people go bear hunting for

815
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: the meat. It's it's kind of funny. It's it's actually

816
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: terrible because if they knew what they were missing out on.

817
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: I mean that awesome buco. I can't wait to make that,

818
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and that's awesome. It's gonna be like eight families that

819
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: were represented at that at the camp up over there

820
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: or that are here in camp now. It's gonna be

821
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: making that recip Bears are in trouble when we start,

822
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: when we've been seeing bears across the road, would be

823
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: like there goes to Assabuka as they make assa buco

824
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: out of the forearm of of well, any critter, but

825
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: bear it. Uh yeah, bear in a slow cooker is

826
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: honestly my one of my favorite of all time. I mean,

827
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: I love bear meat and my wife loves it. Um. Yeah,

828
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean I'm a meat hunter. I mean, I'm not

829
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and tell you that I don't like

830
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: to hunt for big animals. And I'm not gonna say

831
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: that I wouldn't you know. After a few more bears

832
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,280
Speaker 1: passed the bear, I shot, uh, but I'm plumb happy.

833
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: But but now that it's happened, you're glad you did

834
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: because yeah, uh, because we've struggled, That's what I'm saying.

835
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: It's not that we hadn't struggled. There's two other boat well,

836
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: myself and another guy are bow hunters, who are three

837
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: bow hunters in camp, and uh and here it is

838
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: the sixth day, and now I have been close to

839
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: a couple of smaller bears that you know, we're within

840
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: tread bow range. Um. And then uh, Cody has just

841
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: it's been a miracle that he's not killed a bear. Yeah,

842
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: he can shoot a long way as too. And uh

843
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 1: uh the wind has just been destroying. And these bears

844
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: they're not stupid there. If they catch, they're not giving

845
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: anybody any second chance. And if they catch a if

846
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: they catch just a slight movement, which is is rare

847
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: I think or not rare. I shouldn't say that because

848
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: this is my first spot in stock But uh, well,

849
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: what what Jeff said. We described it in another podcast.

850
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: These we're seeing grizzly. I mean, you guys saw eight

851
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: foot plus mountain grizzly yesterday in a place that we've

852
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: been stalking bears crawling around on the edge of these

853
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: fields on our hands and knees for the last four days.

854
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: So these bears are on edge. There's a high population

855
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 1: of black bears and a very high population of grizzly

856
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: and so these bears heads are on a swivel, so

857
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: a lot of times when they're spooking from us on

858
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: a stalk, where in different places that stock probably would

859
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: have killed eighty percent of the bears in North America.

860
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: Here they haven't. But the main thing that's killed us

861
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: has been the wind. We have not lacked for seeing

862
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: super bears every single day, but man, we've we've had

863
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: I mean I've been like on the perfect stalk, I mean,

864
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: like everything was right and then the wind just dumps

865
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: in the back of the neck. Bear just skirts off.

866
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: They're done. But you just give us like a three

867
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: minute version of your hunt. Uh well, uh, I honestly

868
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: didn't even see the bear. Um the guide Ryan, he

869
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: he was. We were cruising down the road and actually

870
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: we had just uh it was the very first I

871
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: mean we flew in, drove in, grabbed her stuff and

872
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: went out and we had saw one beard. It was

873
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: a really nice bear and and he caught our wind

874
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: or actually, well anyway, we had to drive past him

875
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 1: and we're gonna come back after him. Drove down the

876
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: road aways and I didn't even know what was going on.

877
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: He drove by. I could tell he might have saw something,

878
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: and he pulled off the road and we just snuck back.

879
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 1: And we had just driven past the clear cut, and

880
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: we we snuck back, and then I could see a

881
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: bear milling around. So we got in the ditch and

882
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: it was that deep, deep ditch, and then it came

883
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: up to the where the clear cut was and worked

884
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: to where we were in line with it, and uh

885
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: just sat there and watched it and watched it. I mean,

886
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: I want to say we were probably there for a

887
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: half hour, watching at mill around and and it was

888
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 1: probably only out there about thirty yards, but it was

889
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: kind of easing towards us, and he was going back

890
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: and forth. Oh it's you know, it's it's not huge,

891
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: but it's all right. Well, maybe it's a sow. Well,

892
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's a he goes. You can

893
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: shoot it if you want, he goes, But we got

894
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,879
Speaker 1: six six days, you know, it's up to you. And uh,

895
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: well that's all I needed, So I said, I just

896
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: told him, I said, if it comes to under twenty yards,

897
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot it. And all right. So and it

898
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: did it. It worked around this big stump and I

899
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: want to say it was probably fifteen yards and uh

900
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: was angling by and it was getting close to it

901
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: was getting close to dark. Um shot got a complete

902
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: pass through. It ran off. It kind of tried like

903
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: it kind of moved off. I almost shot another arrow

904
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: at it, but um, it wasn't moving very fast and

905
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: we thought, oh, it's it's done. And we ended up

906
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: looking at the arrow and it it looked like good blood.

907
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: I felt like the shot was a little high, but um, anyway,

908
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,360
Speaker 1: it kind of went off and got under a big

909
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: branch and we thought, well, it's gonna die there we

910
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: saw good blood. I mean it just it just looked

911
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: like it was done. You know. It didn't bail off

912
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: into the trees. So our decision was to get in

913
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: the truck and Joe go back and see if we

914
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: could get on that other. See if that other Yeah,

915
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: Cody was with us, so we were gonna go check

916
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: that out and let this bear go, you know, die.

917
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 1: So we didn't run into having it charges or whatever.

918
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: So we did that, came back and and now it's

919
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: getting pretty dark, and uh we walked over to where

920
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: it had been and there's no bear. I was like, oh, man,

921
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: I know better than to not try to put another

922
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: arrow into a bear. And I was kind of kicking

923
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: myself and and I don't know what I was not

924
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: seeing the Ryan he uh Cody or Ryan and Cody

925
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: were behind me, and Ryan was over here and he

926
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: saw the bear walking away from us when he walked

927
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: in and he I guess he said that, but I

928
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: didn't hear him. So I'm only here looking under this tree.

929
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: And he kind of walks over and he's like, it's

930
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,720
Speaker 1: it was going over there. Oh no, it's still alive.

931
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: Like so anyway, we just start kind of walking along

932
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: and uh, he was right here beside me walking and

933
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: something jumped up like five feet away from us, and

934
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of you can hear it clawn the tree, and

935
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean it was right there, and he's like, it's

936
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: right here, And so I came around the tree and

937
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: just put one right through its boiler and it just

938
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: climbed up the tree just a little bit and then

939
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: fell off and uh died right there. It was over

940
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: on the first day. My hunt was over. And uh yeah,

941
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: I for me, it's it's not a big bear. Uh

942
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: but uh that really wasn't what I was here for

943
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: so well. I mean the thing, the thing about traditional

944
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: archery is that you the hunt really does become about opportunity,

945
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: and that's what it has has been lacking for me

946
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: here so far, is that, uh, you know, you're hunting

947
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 1: for a chance. You know that's within range, that that's

948
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: within the limitations of the self imposed limitations that you've

949
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: chosen for the hunt, which we have, which we're hunting

950
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 1: with trad bows. But man, well, congratulations on the bear.

951
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: And it's been awesome getting to uh hang out with

952
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: you in camp this week and inspiring uh stories about

953
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: the super ten and it was fun to shoot with

954
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: you out here and that it's been a good It's

955
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: been a great week. I've had a ton of fun.

956
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, I wish Aaron could have come up

957
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 1: with us, but uh yeah, it uh it worked out

958
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:52,439
Speaker 1: good for me. Yeah, Brent closing concluders, what you guys

959
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: are all you know, I'm a bow hunter, but I

960
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't do the trash stuff, but I enjoy

961
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 1: watching you guys said goals practice. You practice more than

962
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,919
Speaker 1: anybody doing anything that I've seen. I mean, you guys

963
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: are always shooting, to the point that it's hard for

964
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: me to nap at times because you hear yeah, and

965
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: then what I what I listened for is I hear

966
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: the string and then I hear the thump. But my

967
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: favorite one was when I hear the string and I

968
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: don't hear the thump because I know somebody's shut in

969
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: the ground, somebody's got to crawl over the fence and

970
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: go find an era. But it's fun, man, it's it's um,

971
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: it's unique experience following somebody around with the camera and

972
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: watch them do this because it's it's ain't easy. It

973
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: ain't easy. Well, lots of fun. Well that's good. We're

974
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 1: gonna close down right here in an hour. Thanks for

975
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: checking out the Barrowning Magazine podcast and keep the wild

976
00:55:49,000 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Places wild because that's where the bears live to