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Speaker 1: Welcome in What Driving the Great Episode four fifty seven.

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Speaker 1: This episode of What's Driving the Grid is presented to

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Speaker 1: you by boost Mobile. We have a little breaking NFL

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Speaker 1: news from right before the show. De Mon's a Chiefs

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Speaker 1: Broncos Week one on Monday Night Football, which means the

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Speaker 1: NFL pretty confident that both quarterbacks gonna be healthy post

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Speaker 1: offseason surgeries, that Ma Homes with the knee, bo Nicks

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Speaker 1: with the ankle. Oddly they don't. They haven't told us

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Speaker 1: where the game is. People I think are doing the

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Speaker 1: wrong math on this. I think they are trying. They're like, well,

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Speaker 1: is that because of a Royals game Week one or

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Speaker 1: a concert in Denver? I don't think it is because

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Speaker 1: they don't know which stadium is available Denver Kansas City

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Speaker 1: Week one. My guess is they are trying to make

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Speaker 1: sure the opposite stadium is available for their second meeting.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why we don't yet know where this

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Speaker 1: game is going to be played. Despite that, I still

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Speaker 1: because we don't know. If it's gonna be played in Narrowhead,

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs will be favorites. If it's played in Denver,

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Speaker 1: the Broncos will be favorites. And because I have just

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Speaker 1: a you know, a little degeneracy in me. I texted

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Speaker 1: poker great in my pal and diehard Bronco fan David Baker,

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Speaker 1: and was like, Hey, you want to bet this thing blind?

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Speaker 1: We don't know the line and the line doesn't count.

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Speaker 1: Like whoever whoever wins the flip on is at home

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Speaker 1: gets good value on this. But we'll just do an

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Speaker 1: even money money line. Bet. I'll take the Chiefs, you

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Speaker 1: take the Broncos. He said yes. He had also just

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Speaker 1: sent out a tweet about how whenever a fish wants

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Speaker 1: to gamble with you on flips, you should say yes.

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Speaker 1: So the fact that he snap said yes to me,

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Speaker 1: I was like, does he think I'm a fish? Ah?

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Speaker 1: But regardless, So there's that news. Also, it does be

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Speaker 1: warrant mentioning because I see a lot of chirping going

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Speaker 1: on out there about the Broncos owning Mahomes or Bonnicks.

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Speaker 1: Bonnick has beat Mahomes once in his whole career, and

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes is thirteen and two lifetime against the Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Now he started eleven and zero lifetime against the Broncos,

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Speaker 1: so he is just two and two in his last four,

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Speaker 1: So good for them. But Patrick Mahomes against divisional opponents

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Speaker 1: thirteen and two against Denver, thirteen and two against the Raiders,

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Speaker 1: and the Chargers, who have given him a ton of trouble,

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Speaker 1: he is only ten and four against, which does mean

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Speaker 1: do the math right there? Patrick mahomes lifetime in his

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Speaker 1: career is thirty six and eight against the AFC West.

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Speaker 1: And Mahomes and Andy Reid still have more wins in

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Speaker 1: Allegiant Stadium where the Raiders play than any Raiders coach

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Speaker 1: quarterback combo. Ever, take that for what you will. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: Mendoza and the new coach there can know chains that

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Speaker 1: up for them. But in the meantime, the most wins

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Speaker 1: of any coach quarterback combo in the Raiders stadium is

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Speaker 1: the Chiefs coaching quarterback. We will get. If it sounds

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Speaker 1: like I'm filibustering a bit because Lebron season ended last night,

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Speaker 1: it might be true, but we're gonna get to it

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Speaker 1: right after we do straight. The voicemail brought to you

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Speaker 1: by boost Mobile. Justin Herbert's in a music video again. Hey,

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Speaker 1: demon's ay, did you see Joe Burrow last week at

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Speaker 1: the mcgala? Did you see him?

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Speaker 2: I didn't see him at the mcgala.

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Speaker 1: Did you see Herbert in the music video?

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Speaker 2: I saw her in the music video.

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Speaker 1: All right, did you see did you see mahomes working

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Speaker 1: out practicing? Just saying Dylan Brooks trolls, trolls. Lebron Aj

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Speaker 1: debantsa uh, you know, stoic about being a wizard. I'm

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Speaker 1: not giving Dylan Brooks any more oxygen here like great subscriber,

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Speaker 1: a lot of bronze.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: So the NPCs in Lebron's story, like Dylan Brooks, over

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Speaker 1: the years, have ended up teaming up with him. Lance

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Speaker 1: Stevenson after blowing and his ear teamed up with him

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Speaker 1: to Shaun Stevenson wished he had uh you know, so

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Speaker 1: maybe I think it is it's not the flex one

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Speaker 1: thinks it is to be an active NBA player whose

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Speaker 1: team was in the playoffs, who then goes to a

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Speaker 1: later round in the playoffs toatroll an opponent who's still playing.

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Speaker 1: But the jewelry look great, I do have to say,

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Speaker 1: as a like er, fine jewelry. Yeah, the jewelry did

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Speaker 1: look great. And it's always a reminder for anybody out there,

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Speaker 1: whether you're a music star, you know, entertainer, you know

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Speaker 1: whatever I am. There's nice jewelry, there's unbelievable jewelry, and

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Speaker 1: then there is NBA Star jewelry, and it is just

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Speaker 1: on a totally different level. All Right, demons, let's get

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Speaker 1: right to it. Thundersweep Lakers. We'll just go to it. Thundersweep,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, Thundersweep Lakers.

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Speaker 4: Put up a good fight there for a minute, but

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Speaker 4: at the end of case, he just had too many bodies.

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Speaker 4: We'll talk about the future of Lebron and the Lakers,

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Speaker 4: but what do you have to say about the about

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Speaker 4: this game and the end of the series and this

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Speaker 4: season for your guy, Lebron.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, listen the game. The game was frustrating. The Lakers

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Speaker 1: had plenty of opportunities. Bron missed a shot to take

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Speaker 1: the lead with twenty seconds left, just a little too

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Speaker 1: strong on you know, the running banker, and then Austin

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Speaker 1: had a wide open shot. JJ Reddick's getting beat up

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Speaker 1: a bit this morning for not having Ruey Hotchimura in

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Speaker 1: and I understood, I was stunned by it as well. However,

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Speaker 1: you got a great look from Austin Austin just missed

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Speaker 1: it and ultimately, listen, it would have been nice to

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Speaker 1: get a game, but the Lakers were not winning this

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Speaker 1: series with Luca. Maybe it's different, but also didn't really

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Speaker 1: look like it. And whether the Lakers won last night

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Speaker 1: first team to come back from three to zero down.

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Speaker 1: Uh And the Thunder is certainly not gonna be the

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Speaker 1: I don't think the game is the story. I don't

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Speaker 1: here in demand say you chime in wherever you want,

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Speaker 1: and obviously you guys in the control room throw in there,

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Speaker 1: you know any you know, additional things you think we

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Speaker 1: macro on this year, Lebron's Lakers tenure as a whole,

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Speaker 1: and then the future. This year I thought was such

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Speaker 1: a unique window into why Lebron is who he is,

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Speaker 1: we figured like we do. Nobody thought that, like twelve

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Speaker 1: But he wanted to emphasize something he had never done

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Speaker 1: he didn't say this part, but I'll say this part

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Speaker 1: because the reason was twofold one was. It was really

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Speaker 1: one reason, but with a layer beneath it. The reason

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Speaker 1: was it was the best way for the Lakers to

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Speaker 1: Okac is just kind of looming over everything. And okay,

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Speaker 1: see obviously had the Lakers number this year. They won

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Speaker 1: eight in a row. So the reason Lebron did it

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Speaker 1: was because it was the best way for the Lakers

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Speaker 1: the one who did it was because of their three

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Speaker 1: Reeves has one elite skill set scoring. If he's not scoring,

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Speaker 1: because even pre injury, Austin Reeves is not gonna be

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Speaker 1: a good defensive player. He's a decent passer, He's a

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Speaker 1: I like him, you know, great guy, it appears, But

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Speaker 1: his basketball skill is scoring. Lebron meanwhile, can be at

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Speaker 1: even at this point in his career, He's a B

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Speaker 1: you can actually see his atrophied the most. Like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you that that is Demand's the one

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Speaker 1: part he doesn't look old in transition, he doesn't look

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Speaker 1: old driving to the basket. Yes, yeah, it is a

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Speaker 1: and the Lakers won games at the end of the

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Speaker 1: they embarrassed the Rockets, and then in this series against

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Speaker 1: the best defense in basketball by a lot, Lebron James

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Speaker 1: played the two times soon to be two time league

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Speaker 1: he obviously was dealing with doubles and unique coverages, and

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Speaker 1: the Lakers the first three games of the series were

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Speaker 1: the what I thought was gonna be the Dagger three,

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Speaker 1: I am not arguing that year twenty three, age forty one,

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Speaker 1: Lebron is as good as Shay. Obvious, Shae is has

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Speaker 1: an argument right now. He's the best player in the league.

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Speaker 1: And I thought Shay was really good this YEARI like,

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Speaker 1: really really good in Game four and handled the Lakers'

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Speaker 1: With all that said, the fact that just from a

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Speaker 1: the number one option played Shade to a standstill is remarkable,

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Speaker 1: and it all also is informative about what his next

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Speaker 1: to that piece of it. I do want to discuss what,

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Speaker 1: a question or even a debate, which is was Lebron's

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Speaker 1: Lakers tenure a success? Just some context here, and we've

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Speaker 1: very quickly. Dating back to the Lakers being in Minneapolis,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers franchise missed the playoffs in nineteen fifty eight,

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Speaker 1: No, there's no question. And so I I think that's

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Speaker 1: The Warriors missed the playoffs this year. They obviously need help.

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Speaker 1: follow up here that we want to get to before

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Speaker 1: we get to the other series.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that winning another title is the biggest

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Speaker 4: deciding factor or potential fit or something else.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to go anywhere. He thinks

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Speaker 1: they have no shot to win the title. But I

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Speaker 1: don't think it's the number one factor, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I don't think he is is like,

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Speaker 1: let let's say the Spurs lose before the finals and

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Speaker 1: RC Buford calls him up. He's like, hey, you want

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Speaker 1: to come down here, you know and take Harrison Barn's

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Speaker 1: roll in the you know, they're the I think there's

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Speaker 1: no chance he would do it. And even though he'd

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Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, we'll probably be the favorites to

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Speaker 1: win the championship. Yeah, So I don't I don't think

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Speaker 1: winning a title is the number one thing, But I

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Speaker 1: think having a shot to win the titles very important.

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Speaker 1: I also think and we'll see that he is not

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Speaker 1: gonna want to be the third option, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think I think there's a big difference. He has seen

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving and Dwayne Wade both be secondary options but

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Speaker 1: have plenty of you know, usage and opportunities. And he's

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Speaker 1: also seen Chris, but Chris Bosh and Kevin Love be

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Speaker 1: third options to be kind of pushed to the side.

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Speaker 1: I think it at forty two in year twenty four,

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Speaker 1: he he's fine with being and he embraced Luca, so fine,

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Speaker 1: fine with being in the Kyrie Irving Dwayne Wade role,

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Speaker 1: even if his role is different, but that place on

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Speaker 1: the team. I don't think he's trying to be Chris

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Speaker 1: Bosh Kevin Love. Again, now, if it were because Luca

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Speaker 1: and Yannis were on the team, then yeah, that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: And again, I really like Austin Reeves, and I know

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Speaker 1: Lebron really likes Austin Reeves. But doing it for Austin

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Speaker 1: Reeves this different story. And yeah, I don't I think

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Speaker 1: we are. I think you're far more likely to see

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Speaker 1: And I don't even want to say names because I

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Speaker 1: don't want it to be aggregated and I'm just would

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Speaker 1: be picking names out of a hat. But I think

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of older players who nobody thinks is

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Speaker 1: going to retire, including me, who are more likely to

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Speaker 1: retire than Lebron, and I just I I know it's

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Speaker 1: gonna sound silly. There's just little signifiers. I thought what

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Speaker 1: he wore to the game and the postgame press conference

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Speaker 1: signified he's not retiring. I just don't. I don't think

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Speaker 1: a guy who has been that thoughtful and calculating and

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Speaker 1: strategic with everything I was going to have those be

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Speaker 1: his final images as a player. And it's not like

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Speaker 1: the he just wore a regular outfit, but the I

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Speaker 1: just imagine that whether he does a farewell tour or

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Speaker 1: not that there was, there's going to be more, at

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Speaker 1: least a bit more pomp and circumstance to his final

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Speaker 1: games or game. I know you have another follow up, Demonteval,

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Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade.

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Speaker 4: Wade and plaid on the broadcast, he wouldn't take a

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Speaker 4: discount anywhere.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I agree. I do think Lebron

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Speaker 1: showed on this playoff run that on a year to

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Speaker 1: year basis he is still a max player, just flatly

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Speaker 1: like he is worth. There are not conservatively, there are

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Speaker 1: not fifteen guys more valuable to winning playoff games than

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Speaker 1: Lebron James. It is to me it is just a

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Speaker 1: disingenuous commentsation where guys that Lebron is as good as

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Speaker 1: or better than nobody uses their salary as a cudgel

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Speaker 1: as to why the team can't win. STEP's gonna make

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Speaker 1: sixty three million dollars next year's team missed the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, who you know, health is the issue but

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Speaker 1: is a great player. It's gonna make fifty eight million

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Speaker 1: bucks next season. Jimmy Butler's on the books for fifty

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Speaker 1: seven million. Kawhi, who again his team missed the playoffs

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Speaker 1: despite Qui having a great year, makes fifty. Evan Mobley

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Speaker 1: makes fifty. Right, I can hear Demonse again? Good. Evan

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Speaker 1: Mobley makes fifty. Bam out of Bio again whose team

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Speaker 1: missed the playoffs, he makes fifty. Dearon Fox, who right

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Speaker 1: now might be the fourth best player on his own team,

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Speaker 1: he makes fifty. There just isn't Durant, who wasn't available

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Speaker 1: and in the one game he was was thoroughly outplayed

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Speaker 1: by Lebron. He makes forty four million. Next year. There

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Speaker 1: is just not this level of well, how much money

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Speaker 1: do they need for these other guys? Now, maybe Lebron

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Speaker 1: will say, I don't. This isn't my concern. I'm not

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Speaker 1: worried about the money. But Lebron's salary is not an

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Speaker 1: demande let's talk. Timberwolves, Spurs and Wimby.

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Speaker 4: Minnesota has even the Ship or steady of the Ship

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Speaker 4: and took Game four from San Antonio on even the series.

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Speaker 4: Wimby the Big Story got ejected for elbowing nas Read

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Speaker 4: in the second quarter. A league announced that Wimby will

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Speaker 4: not be suspended for Game five tonight. Do you think

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Speaker 4: that the league got that correct?

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Speaker 1: Listen, I am fine with Wimby not being suspended. I

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Speaker 1: also would have been fine with him being suspended. I

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Speaker 1: thought it was a real coin flip, and the fact

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Speaker 1: that the league didn't even find him says they don't

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Speaker 1: think it was a real coin flip. The precedent is

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Speaker 1: sometimes those plays get you suspended, sometimes they don't.

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Speaker 3: J R.

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Speaker 1: Smith missed a playoff game for a far less egregious elbow.

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Speaker 1: We have also seen elbows like Wimby's just in in

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Speaker 1: a fine not a suspension. I am so I don't

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Speaker 1: care about the suspension, not a suspension piece of it.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I do care about, demanse. The first one

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Speaker 1: is not a huge deal, but I think it's odd.

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Speaker 1: Why was Wimby pretending he didn't know a flagrant too

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Speaker 1: got you ejected? I thought that was bizarre. I thought Wimby,

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Speaker 1: who you know, as a rookie, claimed and I think

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Speaker 1: he did, to have studied the rules for the Skills

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Speaker 1: Challenge when he and Chris Paul tried to, you know,

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Speaker 1: rig it to win that three years into his NBA career,

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Speaker 1: was unaware that a flagrant to got you ejected? And

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Speaker 1: him doing the who me ejected me?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was a chance.

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Speaker 4: With like all the language that the ref was spewing

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Speaker 4: out to make the call. Wimby's like in the middle

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Speaker 4: of that, Yeah, what is what does all that mean?

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Speaker 1: No, I don't. Harrison Barnes seemed to be able to

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Speaker 1: figure it all out. Uh, And so that to me

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Speaker 1: was just weird. It was performative and weird. I also

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Speaker 1: thought Mitch Johnson as coach, his explanation after the game

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Speaker 1: might lead to Wimby getting suspended because Mitch Johnson started with, oh,

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Speaker 1: it obviously was non intentional, and then spent a full

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Speaker 1: minute explaining how what Wimby did was justified. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to justify non intentional acts, right like you and

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Speaker 1: the quote, you know, we have a quote from the

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Speaker 1: Athletic I'm glad Nazrit is okay, and I didn't want

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Speaker 1: him to elbow him, but he's going to have to

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Speaker 1: protect himself if they're not. And I think it's disgusting

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Speaker 1: pipe down, Mitch Johnson. It's a physical series going both ways,

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Speaker 1: and it's the playoffs, and big guys in the playoffs

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Speaker 1: are gonna get beat up a bit. It's one of

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Speaker 1: the reasons why getting your weight up is useful. And

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Speaker 1: Wimby is not getting unfairly targeted.

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Speaker 4: Now he's getting fall stuff though he's getting grabbed up.

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Speaker 4: It's not unfair, but like I could see how the

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Speaker 4: guy get annoyed with people constantly pestering him in the paint.

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Speaker 4: It's like, I don't think he I don't see him,

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Speaker 4: Like I'm playing to the refs about it. He's like

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Speaker 4: doing something.

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Speaker 2: I get it. He elbowed the guy in the face.

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Speaker 2: But it's like, hey man, in.

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Speaker 1: The previous game he shot twelve free throws. I mean

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Speaker 1: he yeah, you're you're allowed to get annoyed. You're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to look over your shoulders, see navs reed and

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Speaker 1: throw a vicious elbow to his head. Now hit him

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Speaker 1: in the neck, not his head. But in this idea,

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Speaker 1: when Mitch Johnson's like, we don't complain to the refs,

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Speaker 1: We just play. You don't just play. We don't complain

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Speaker 1: to the refs. Instead we you know, our best player

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Speaker 1: throws a gratuitous elbow after the play or not after

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Speaker 1: the play, but unrelated to play. I do not believe

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Speaker 1: Wimby's a dirty player. He has no history of it,

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Speaker 1: and I think that plays a role in this and

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Speaker 1: I think that's very important. But this hole woe is us.

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Speaker 1: I guess we're gonna have to go vigilante justice is

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Speaker 1: ridiculous and I I am I don't think this is

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Speaker 1: an Once again, let me back up. Understandably, the media

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Speaker 1: loves Wimby, got it, And that's why a lot of

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Speaker 1: folks have kind of clocked me as a Wimby hater

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Speaker 1: when I'm not, just because I am not so effusive

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Speaker 1: and over the moon in praise as seemingly everyone else

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Speaker 1: in the media is. But we'll see how this series

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Speaker 1: plays out. If the Timberwolves come back and win this series,

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Speaker 1: this is the turning point, and that's catastrophic for the Spurs,

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Speaker 1: and it would be I just when I say, I

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Speaker 1: think you know the media can pay favorites. Can you imagine,

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Speaker 1: Demonsey if in a series the Lakers were big favorites,

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Speaker 1: big favorites up to one if early in Game four

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Speaker 1: Luca just lost his shit with a ref and got

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Speaker 1: two technicals and thrown out of the game, and then

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Speaker 1: the Lakers lost, and then after the game, JJ Reddix like, well,

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Speaker 1: I don't listen, he's just got to stand up for himself.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think I think track record there is a

646
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Speaker 4: huge thing, like like you said, like the track record

647
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Speaker 4: thing is really big with him. He doesn't really have

648
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Speaker 4: a history of doing this type of stuff, And like Luca,

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Speaker 4: it'd be like, all right, man, you're here, you go again.

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Speaker 1: But but but yeah, neither neither really has a history

651
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Speaker 1: of being thrown out of games. Yes, right, he has

652
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Speaker 1: a long history of whining and getting technicals, but not

653
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Speaker 1: being thrown out of games. I just it's superstar players

654
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Speaker 1: doing things to get themselves ejected in playoff games, particular

655
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Speaker 1: like Joker. Remember when he clobbered Campaign in the face

656
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Speaker 1: at the end of a but that was the game

657
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Speaker 1: and series were over and he just wanted to get

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Speaker 1: the hell out of here. Now, that was really bad,

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Speaker 1: and I criticized Joker for it, but the game was

660
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Speaker 1: in uh not in the balance, and nor was the series.

661
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Speaker 1: Steph Curry in the finals fouled out of the game

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Speaker 1: and then got so mad he threw his mouthpiece into

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Speaker 1: the crowd and then got ejected. But it didn't matter

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Speaker 1: because he had already fouled out. You don't. It is

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Speaker 1: very rare that a guy who is on him EP

666
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Speaker 1: ballots gets himself tossed from a playoff game. That's what happened,

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Speaker 1: and people can and in the and the Spurs fans

668
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Speaker 1: acting like they're the aggrieved party here. I got it,

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Speaker 1: you know, no, no disrespect at all. And I like her.

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Speaker 1: But I gotta listen to Michelle Beatles saying like, oh,

671
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Speaker 1: the Spurs are gonna come out angry. Why because nas

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Speaker 1: Reed had the audacity to have his neck in the

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Speaker 1: way of Wimby's elbow. I mean, give me a fucking break.

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Speaker 1: Everybody likes Wimby. I do too. That was ugly, and

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Speaker 1: he's he's lucky he's not suspended four game five and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll come out with a vengeance tonight and great.

677
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Speaker 1: And as far as the track record goes, here's the

678
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Speaker 1: thing about being a young player, demanse that works can

679
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Speaker 1: work for you and against you. Track record wise, yes,

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Speaker 1: he he has no track record of this until now, right, Yeah,

681
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Speaker 1: but because he's so young a second instance, but a

682
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Speaker 1: second instance anytime soon. It's now a huge track record

683
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Speaker 1: as opposed to a player who's been in the league

684
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Speaker 1: fifteen years. Two instances isn't really a track record. Fifty

685
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Speaker 1: secars into the chat, Right says he shouldn't have been

686
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Speaker 1: suspended again. I'm fine with him not being suspended. I

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Speaker 1: The point I'm making is it would not have been

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Speaker 1: outrageous if he were, and that would have been a

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Speaker 1: catastrophe for the team.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead. I hate to like say that.

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Speaker 4: Do you think that when we getting a concussion a

692
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Speaker 4: few weeks ago might have like also played a part

693
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Speaker 4: in the NBA's decision with you know, maybe maybe not

694
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Speaker 4: spinning him for a game.

695
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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, the guy.

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Speaker 4: And he's all about basketball, is the other thing. I

697
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Speaker 4: think that he doesn't have any off the court stuff

698
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Speaker 4: like he he just seems to be very focused on

699
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Speaker 4: the task, and so it's like when he does mess up,

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Speaker 4: it's like damn, like no something.

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Speaker 1: Benefit of the doubt and track record matters. And that's

702
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Speaker 1: why Draymond's comments were ridiculous. Like Draymond, you know, just

703
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Speaker 1: has the opposite track record. Yeap, of course that, so.

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Speaker 2: He tweeted, y'all have called called for my career for less?

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Speaker 2: Are you on? No?

706
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Speaker 1: No, we haven't. People called for your career after you

707
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: did a spinning backfist into one Eastern European NBA player

708
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: shortly after right before you tried to choke out Rudy Gobert,

709
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,359
Speaker 1: shortly after you had stomped on demonas Sabonis's chest like, no,

710
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: it was. It was a long history of things. And Draymond,

711
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, you can say we called for your career

712
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: in real time. You stepped away from the game yourself

713
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: when you were definitely suspended, saying you needed to go

714
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: to counseling. Like that's what happened, buddy. So you the you,

715
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Speaker 1: You told us you realized you had shit you need

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Speaker 1: to work through. Oh yeah, and I've forgotten you, and

717
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: you knocked the teammate out cold in practice. Stop just

718
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: stop it. Whimby's obviously you know none of that. But

719
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: this was ugly and the people who should be mad

720
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Speaker 1: with the Timberwolves. And by the way, and now we're

721
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Speaker 1: not even talking about the game, uh and now the

722
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Speaker 1: tech issues and how long I went on Lebron. I

723
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Speaker 1: don't even know how much time we're gonna have to

724
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Speaker 1: talk about a lot of this stuff. But Ant looks

725
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Speaker 1: like he's back. And because of that, I think Minnesota

726
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Speaker 1: steels Game five tonight. I think that. And I don't

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think Mitch Johnson's attempt to work

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Speaker 1: the idea that oh, now they're gonna be extra looking

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Speaker 1: at contact on Wimby. Correct, That's what I think. And

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Speaker 1: here's the other thing I will say, they certainly now

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733
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Speaker 1: so beat up, he had no choice but to hit

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Speaker 1: Go Bear with a back elbow mm A style. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: nots reed.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, because he did slaps Go.

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Speaker 1: Bear in the face. Slaps Go Bear in the face,

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Speaker 1: and they didn't review it. Here's why that's super relevant, Demase.

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Speaker 1: He's not suspended yet. Four flagrant foul points you are

740
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Speaker 1: suspended in the playoffs. A flagrant two is two points,

741
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Speaker 1: so he only has one flagrant foul point to play

742
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Speaker 1: with and after that, l if there's a like the

743
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Speaker 1: play on Go Bear was a clear accident, it's not

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Speaker 1: even a question. But whether it had they reviewed it,

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746
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747
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748
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Speaker 1: though its accidental. You need a flagrant for that. He's

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Speaker 1: banal flagrant ones. You're at four flagrant foul points. Now

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Speaker 1: other series, because I do, I gotta go do Colin,

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Speaker 4: So Cleveland has tied up the series. James Harden out

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Speaker 2: Who do you have for the rest of this series.

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Speaker 1: I think Detroit's gonna win. Cleveland is undefeated at home

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Speaker 1: the next two. But I do want to give Donovan

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Speaker 1: They've got to get more from Jail and Durrant. I

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Speaker 4: The Knicks are onto the Eastern Conference Finals again after

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Speaker 2: Uh So they just swept Philly, and I feel.

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Speaker 1: the Celtics lost to the Sixers, who got dog walked

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Speaker 1: by the Knicks. And the Knicks are you know, they're Vegas.

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Speaker 1: Are they going to lose to the to the champion,

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Speaker 1: to the Western Conference winner? So are the Celtics liked? Oddly?

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Speaker 1: Did the Knicks sweeping the Sixers make it more likely

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Speaker 1: that Giannis is a Celtic? I think the answer to

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Speaker 1: that is yes, because like, how close are the Celtics really?

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Speaker 1: But on the Sixer side of things, gonna be a

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Speaker 1: tough offseason that you know, We'll see what you know.

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Speaker 1: Darryl Morey's status is, you guys know my relationship with

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Speaker 1: him and that I root for him, that I like him.

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Speaker 1: I know there was some loose local reporting about his

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Speaker 1: job being you know, very in Jeopardy. We'll see how

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Speaker 1: that plays out in beads. Like, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: I'll be here, buddy, you're gonna be there. He got

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Speaker 1: three years. It's sixty four million a year coming to you.

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Speaker 1: That's not nobody's trading for that contract. Paul George had

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Speaker 1: a nice bounce back year. Max He's awesome. Edgecombe was

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Speaker 1: a great pick. But they need to fill out the

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Speaker 1: rest of their roster, and it's gonna be hard with

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Speaker 1: some of those salaries. Now. On the flip side of that,

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Speaker 1: the Knicks demon's a are literally on the greatest run

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Speaker 1: in playoff history. No team has ever won their like

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Speaker 1: their first ten playoff games. They're scoring March plus one

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Speaker 1: ninety four, highest ever that during in their last seven

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Speaker 1: the scoring margins like plus one seventy the highest in

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Speaker 1: any seven game stretch ever. This point cat offense, it's

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Speaker 1: not really point cat, but he's averaging over this seven

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Speaker 1: game winning streak eight assists a game. They're doing it

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Speaker 1: without og Ananobi. Mikhale Bridges has bounced back, Brunson's been great.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna be rested. Ogi'll be back. They have to

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Speaker 1: be the huge favorites in the East right now, and

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Speaker 1: Hardrock bet their minus won seventy five and that's exactly right,

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Speaker 1: even though they won't have home court advantage in the finals.

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Speaker 1: If you're a Knicks fan right now, you have to

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Speaker 1: feel and I know Detroit gave you trouble during the

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Speaker 1: regular season, but you have to feel absolutely over the

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Speaker 1: moon excited that you're gonna be making your first finals

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Speaker 1: since nineteen ninety nine. And I think nobody wants my

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Speaker 1: you know, me to pick their team right now because

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Speaker 1: I've been just stone, you know, terrible luck. But Knicks

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Speaker 1: fan's gotta feel amazing. Also, quick little anecdote before we go.

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Speaker 1: Your mom calls me yesterday, facetimes me yesterday from Vegas.

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Speaker 1: She's at the Gucci store in Vegas. She's in the

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Speaker 1: dressing room.

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Speaker 2: It's a.

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Speaker 1: Little two piece orange skirt, orange kind of crop top

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Speaker 1: that matches and it and it's like a bright Knicks

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Speaker 1: orange with the little Gucci gees, you know, checkered along it.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And she's like, so do you do you want to

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Speaker 1: get this for me? I'm like, sure, baby, and I

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Speaker 1: already know where she's going. She's like, okay, perfect, because

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Speaker 1: I just know it's gonna look so great when we

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Speaker 1: go to one of these books playoff games. Hey man,

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Speaker 1: well here's the problem. And it's not like the Gucci

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Speaker 1: two piece is cheap, but the tickets to the game

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Speaker 1: that you wear it to are gonna be way more expensive.

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Speaker 1: All right. Apologies for the technical difficulties today. Apologies if

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Speaker 1: we didn't get to everything you wanted to hear. Hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed the bron Wimby and NBA playoff talk. We

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Speaker 1: are back on Thursday and we'll get to some of

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Speaker 1: the other things like the draft lottery and kids at

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Speaker 1: press conferences. A reminder send questions or comments for the

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Speaker 1: mailbag shows. We're gonna do those at the end of

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Speaker 1: the week. Reminder to like, grate, subscribe, review. Huge thanks

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Speaker 1: are hard Rock, bet, boost Mobile, and mars Man. Also

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Speaker 1: to Volume in the Blue Duck. Talk to you guys

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. See you on with Colin in about an hour.

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Speaker 1: We'll trade