1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation. 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: Where is eleven year old Gannon Starch? The Colorado boy 4 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: reporting him missing sparked off an intensive search, but I 5 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: can't help but notice they started the search in the 6 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: backyard of the home. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Hello everyone, 7 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace is his Crime Stories. Thank you for 8 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: joining us on Fox Nation and Sirius XM twenty eleven. 9 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: Before we go to missing boy Gannon Starch, I have 10 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: news to report. It's with a heavy heart. I report 11 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: that Officer Brent Scrimshire of the Hot Springs Police Department 12 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: was gunned down in the line of duty. At this time. 13 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: Our prayers to him and his family. Let's switch gears 14 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: now as we hold Officer Scrimshaw and his family in 15 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: our minds, I want to take you out to the 16 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: story of a missing little boy, Gannon Stotch, just eleven 17 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: years old. My twins are just turned twelve and even 18 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: now their little babies to me Gannon Starch missing or 19 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: is he dead? Take a listen right now to our 20 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: friends at koa A. This is NBC five. Katie blase. 21 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: The community holding out hope that Gannon will be found, 22 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: even tying up blue ribbons around the neighborhood, Gannon's favorite color, 23 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: and distributing and coasting flyers like this. Gannon has brown 24 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: hair and brown eyes. He's eleven years old. He's four 25 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: nine and weighs ninety pounds, and he was last seen 26 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: wearing a blue jacket and jeans. Now, we spoke with 27 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: Gannon's dad on Tuesday and night, and he told us 28 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: his son was last scene between three fifteen and four 29 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 1: on Monday afternoon, that he was going to a friend's house, 30 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: but didn't say which friend. The dad tells us in 31 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: Gannon didn't return home a few hours later, that's when 32 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: police were called. Now, a little after ten on Tuesday, 33 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: the ol Passa County Sheriff's Office showed up at Gannon's home. 34 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: Law enforcement were at the home and appeared to be 35 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: searching in the backyard with some flashlights. Gannon's parents speaking 36 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,639 Speaker 1: about the search for their son just moments ago. I'm 37 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: land and Hyatt, Gannon's mom, and I encourage you guys, 38 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: I know many of you mothers and fathers. I encourage 39 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: you just to seek find him I'm so thankful for 40 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: all the outpouring help. You know, when you look in 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: your backyard and you see police and vall tears searching 42 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: with a flashlight, can you imagine not knowing for your 43 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: eleven year old child is reporting him missing, sparked off 44 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: an intensive search. But I can't help but notice they 45 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: started the search in the backyard of the home with 46 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: me an all star panel. Jason Ocean's veteran trial lawyer 47 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: joining me today Adam New York, but practices in multiple jurisdiction. 48 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: Former FBI special agent Jeff Cortesi, director of the Cold 49 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, forensic psychiatrist at doctor Daniel 50 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Bober on Instagram, Doctor Daniel Bober joining me out of 51 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: the Florida Jurisdiction. Investigative reporter Crime online dot Com, Lee Egan, 52 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: and also Dave Matt Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Okay, 53 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: I want to start at A and then go to 54 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: ZE first. I want to hear the mechanics of how 55 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: this little boy somehow goes missing. Dave Matt give it 56 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: to me in a nutshell, repeat nutshell. On January twenty seventh, 57 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Titias Stock says Gannon. Whoa, whoa, whoa? I I d 58 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: for me. When you say, Titia Stock, that is Gannon's stepmother. Correct, 59 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: she lived in the home with him and his father. Yes, no, yes, 60 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: ma'am Okay. Stepmother Titias Stok, calls police when Gannon ostensibly 61 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: does not come home after going to a friend's house. 62 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: When police set her down to get a statement find 63 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: out what happened, she said that Gannon left their home 64 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: that afternoon between three pm and four pm to walk 65 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: to a neighbor's home to play. Okay, stop right there, 66 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come back to you. Dave Matt with me, 67 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: Dave Mattcrime online dot Com investigative reporter. Okay, Cheryl McCallum, 68 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: Director Cold Case Research Institute, you've heard of these free 69 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: range children. Now. I was a free range child because 70 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: both my parents were at work all day long. My 71 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: dad at the railroad, my mom at a canning plant. 72 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: So when we got home from school, we got ourselves 73 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: in and after we did homework, I would take off 74 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: on my bike and I wouldn't come home till I 75 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: heard the chimes and the church steeple, or my mom 76 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: or dad on the car horn. Okay, that was a 77 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: signal to come home right now. So we were raised 78 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: that way. But it's not like that anymore to just 79 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: have your child walk to a friend's house and then 80 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: you don't know when they're coming back, and then they 81 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: don't show up and you have no idea what happened. 82 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: I know the Free Rangers are going to get mad 83 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: at me, Cheryl McCullum, but that's crazy talk. Well, the 84 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: other issue here, Nancy is he's supposedly stayed home sick 85 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: from school that day. So if he had been sick 86 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: all day, as soon as the other children get home 87 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: is usually not when any pair is going to let 88 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 1: him go play. Well, if he was sick at home 89 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: from school, why did he go to a friend's house 90 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 1: much less on his own? Dave Matt Crime Online pick 91 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: it up right there. So he walks to a friend's 92 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: house and when it's time for him, did he have 93 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: a set time to come home? He did? He was 94 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: supposed to home by about he was supposed to be 95 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: home by about six pm. And okay, and he did. 96 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 1: That's when the alert went out. Is that dark at 97 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: that time, Jan twenty seven, I would assume that six 98 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: pm is starting to get dark. Yeah, it would already 99 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: be pitch dark. Actually, so I went down about five fifteen. 100 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: You know that Mountain time zone just zone that time. 101 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: But so he doesn't show up, and right, he's not 102 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: home at time, and so when out when Gannon's father 103 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: Albert gets home and Gannon's not there, stepmom says, well 104 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: he went play, they called police, and the police they 105 00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: treated as if Gannon is a runaway. Do you want 106 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: to address something? Cheryl mentioned that he was home sick 107 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: from school. That does kind of play into this whole thing, 108 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: because Danny should have been in school that day, but 109 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't. He stayed out of school. Interesting. Interesting home 110 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: sick from school to Jason Oceans veteran trial lawyer joining 111 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: me out of New York. Jason, you have two children 112 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: that you've managed to raise up and they're past thirteens. 113 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember when they were this big, but 114 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: now they're grown. What happened? Did you let your children 115 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: or did your wife let your children just leave and 116 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: go to friends and come back. I'm not gonna judge 117 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: you if you did, But did you? Nancy? I had 118 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: the same experience as you did. The call for me 119 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: back was my father's whistle. I can't whistle like he did, 120 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: but my god, he could whistle with his fingers and 121 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 1: just did you just say good right here? Don't don't 122 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: don't drag him into this, please for Pete's sake. Okay, 123 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: back to what you were saying. So you could run 124 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: wild how I came home as we did. But what 125 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: about your children? No, you couldn't do an environment this 126 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: double ell. No, so you would take them to wherever 127 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: they were going or walk with them right or you 128 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: know it absolutely because there was fear based on social 129 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: media and everything else information. You know, you just don't 130 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: want to do that, and you check in, hey did 131 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: you get there? Or you're following them on the phone 132 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: if they have one. Oh, let me tell you something 133 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: that was one of the biggest decisions. It nearly tore 134 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: our family apart, Cheryl McCollum. Do you remember it was 135 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: on their eleventh birthday. I broke down and gave them 136 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,839 Speaker 1: cell phones. I did not want to do it, Cheryl. 137 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: I told you this story because I think predators getting 138 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: to children through their cell phones. But a friend of 139 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: our's son, who knew he could dance and play music, 140 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: was gonna be in the marching band at a football game, Cheryl. 141 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: And so we went to this foot high school football 142 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: game and I got to this stadium and the children 143 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: did not come back. After twenty minutes. I let them go, 144 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 1: and I started looking for them, Cheryl. All these parents 145 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: were tailgating at a high school football game. They were 146 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: out there drinking, and hey, I'm not the church lady. 147 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:27,079 Speaker 1: Drink all you want to. But I know, Cheryl, that 148 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: adults do things adult males, particularly when they've been drinking 149 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: in their inner crowd, they wouldn't normally do on their own. 150 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: And Lucy and John David were going. I found them, 151 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:38,839 Speaker 1: but I swore that night I would get them a 152 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: cell phone too early, or I did. Do you remember that. 153 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: I do, and I remember you and I talked about 154 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: it because that was one of the decisions for me 155 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: with my children, you know, playing sports and being in 156 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: two different fields at the same time, and you know, 157 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: spitting the night with friends. I wanted them to have 158 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 1: a way to get me if they needed me. So 159 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: I made the same decision you did when they were 160 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: much younger, to let them have a cell phone earlier 161 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: than well. It also helps when you're stalking your children, 162 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: because you know, they just played with their band at Disney. Hello. 163 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: So there was David, you know, telling them like four 164 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: cars behind, driving down behind. But I had the life 165 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:23,679 Speaker 1: three sixty so I could follow them all around is 166 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: I did not follow them. I went and watched them play, 167 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: and then I left to a discreet distance crime stories 168 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a little boy, 169 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: eleven year old Gannon Stouch. Thank you for being with 170 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: us here at Fox Nation in serious XM one eleven. 171 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to something I 172 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: find very intriguing. Let me just call intriguing. Take a 173 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at KKTVCBS eleven Spencer Wilson. I'm 174 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: just ready for Gannon to come home, most importantly for 175 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 1: him to see his family. But second, I am going 176 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: to be so ecstatic when I'm able to say to 177 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: people that I hope they have a really sincere apology 178 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: for all these series that have came out online, for 179 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: all the things they said that I have done or 180 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: people have done. And I just want everyone to know 181 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: that we're going to find Gannon. And I love him 182 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: so much. I've helped taking care of him for so 183 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: long you're talk to me a little bit about him. 184 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: I don't know him. Gannon is so kind and he 185 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: loves to play video games. That's one of his favorite things. 186 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: He loves Sonic and Mario. And you know, he's always helpful. 187 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: And he was always so helpful with the dogs around 188 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: the house and we have two little key dogs, and 189 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: he was always like a person. I could say, Ginna, 190 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: can you go do this? And he would do it 191 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: right away. You know, sometimes with kids we have to 192 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,439 Speaker 1: remind them and things like that, and that's okay. But 193 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: he was so sweet and able to help anyone. He 194 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: could notice when you're sick and say are you okay? 195 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: And such a kind heart. Did you hear that? You're 196 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: hearing this stepmother Letitia's stouch. You know what, You just 197 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: can't change your nature. You can't. And I used to 198 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: tell jury's a story enclosing argument about mister Froggy mister Scorpion. 199 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: Scorpion comes up to Frog and says, hey, can I 200 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: ride your back across the river and mister Scorpion says no, 201 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: you'll bite man, I'll die. As Scorpion says, no, I 202 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: want because we both go to the bottom of the river, 203 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: and we'll both die. Froggy thinks it over and gives 204 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: him a ride. Halfway across, mister Froggy feels a pain 205 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: go down his arm, and as he's sinking to the 206 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: bottom of the river to die with Scorpion on his back, 207 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: he said, why did you do that? For now we 208 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: both will die, and mister Scorpion says, I can't help it. 209 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: It's just my nature. To doctor Daniel Bober Forensics, like 210 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 1: Hizra's joining me out of Florida. Did you hear the 211 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 1: stepmother start talking about how she Gannon's missing, and she's 212 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: talking about she wants an apology and starts referring to 213 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,839 Speaker 1: Gannon in the past tense. She begins, he is, he is, 214 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: he is, and then she switches to he was always 215 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: so helpful, he was so sweet. Did you hear that, Bober? Yeah, 216 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: I heard it, Nancy. I mean any situations, you know, 217 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: you always start in and you work your way out. 218 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: So it definitely is very concerning, for sure, Doctor Bober, 219 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: you sound like a psychiatrist, and I don't mean that 220 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: in a good way. Right now, you said it's concerning. 221 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: The boy is gone, the stepmother who was with him, 222 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 1: that Day is worried about herself getting an apology because 223 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: people have questioned her child rearing, her child rearing tactics. 224 00:13:57,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: She's worried about an apology when her child is missing. 225 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: Don't make me tell you the story about when John 226 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: David went missing and babies or us, because I will 227 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,599 Speaker 1: I did not care who looked at me in my 228 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: horrible outfit, in my old tennis shoes, screaming for John 229 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: David to lock the doors. I couldn't find him. I 230 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: didn't care what anybody thought. Why she's so worried about 231 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: an apology. Yeah, I mean, at the very least, it 232 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: seems like her priorities are a little bit misplaced. At 233 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: that point, I can say, you're a tough nut to crack, Bober, 234 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: I see that right now. Well, you know what, Jeff Cortesi, 235 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: former FBI special agent, you've seen it all. What do 236 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: you make of what step Mama is saying? She wants 237 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: an apology? And this starts speaking about the child in 238 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: the past tense. You remember when Scott Peterson did that 239 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: she was amazing. He said that about Lacy and I 240 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: went berserk. Why would you talk about this child in 241 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: the past tense? Yeah, No, absolutely, Nancy. I mean it 242 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: jumps right right out at you. When as soon as 243 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: she starts speaking very odd behavior, immediately talking about herself, 244 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: she's very kind of comfortable, doesn't seem as concerned at 245 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 1: least over the audio version, and then speaking of the 246 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: young man in past tense, those are all going to 247 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: be it's not even a young man, he's a baby. 248 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: He's eleven years old. Eleven years old, I guess that's 249 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: the fifth grade, maybe the sixth grade. Okay, I want 250 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: you to hear more of what step mom says. Take 251 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: a listen to KKTV CBS eleven reporter Spencer Williams. Do 252 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: you feel like these are just internet detectives who think 253 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: they know what they're doing? It definitely is. And you know, 254 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: here's the thing that kind of saddens me. It's like, 255 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: if you're going to talk about someone like that and 256 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: have a witt un out for them, why would you 257 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: even care like about doing those things? Because this is 258 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: a child. You're telling me that you're just as mean, 259 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: you're just as hateful to talk about someone else like that. 260 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: That's how I feel like we just should not we 261 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: should all come together and wait until the end and 262 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: see what happens, because Gain's going to come home. Any 263 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: message for gaining the message for Gannon I have is Gannon. 264 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: When you get here, you'll be able to truly tell 265 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: what happened. And then I really hope I get a 266 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: sincere apology from everyone who has made all those things, 267 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: especially from my husband. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, Director cole Case 268 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Investigative Research Institute, that's quite a mouthful, Okay, Cheryl McCollum. 269 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: You know what. I know that there are lie detectors. 270 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I know that there are behaviorists that watch the movements 271 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: the eye blinks, the movements of the mouth, the phraseology. 272 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: That's what they do their experts. But after putting I 273 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: don't know how many would you say, three or four 274 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: or five thousand witnesses on the hot seat? You can 275 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: tell when someone is all about themselves. And in this case, 276 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: all she's talking about she's not crying, she's not upset, 277 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: she's not begging the public for help. She's talking about 278 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: getting an apology. And that disturbs me. Cheryl McCollum, Oh, 279 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: it desturbs me. She has clearly made U all about her. 280 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: She has not asked for the public to help look 281 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: for him. She has not pleaded for somebody to return him. 282 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: She has not said anything tearfully to him, like I 283 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,200 Speaker 1: love you or we're waiting here for you. She just says, 284 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: oh yeah, he's gonna come. My only what he does 285 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: all he gon apologized to me and Nancy's my you know, 286 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: barometer for this whole thing is always Elizabeth smart family. 287 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: When she was missing. Remember her daddy and all of 288 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: his brothers said, give us lie a texture, come take 289 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: our DNA, whatever you need to do. They wanted law 290 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: enforcement to do the job they had to do, but 291 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: ultimately look for her. Get me off your list and 292 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: go find my child. You're absolutely right, that's what Ed 293 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: Smart and all of his male relatives did. I always 294 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: think about Mark Klass. Mark Klass, his daughter Polly went 295 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: missing from her mother's home. She was having a spend 296 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: the night party that night, she had several little girlfriends 297 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: over and Polly goes missing out of her own bedroom. 298 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: And the first thing when Mark Klass found out, you know, 299 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 1: within an hour, he immediately said, take my fingerprints, check 300 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: out my alibi. Whatever you need me to do, I'll 301 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: do it so you can move on and start looking 302 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: for Polly and looking for the person that took her. 303 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 1: That's the gold standard right there, right there, and that's 304 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: not what I'm seeing. Back to you. Hold on with 305 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: me now, Lee Egan, crime online dot Com investigative reporter 306 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: who has been speaking with the stepmother who I guess 307 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: Lee would she would call you sporadically? Is that correct? Yes, Nancy. 308 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,239 Speaker 1: She would call me from Actually she never gave her 309 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: phone number. She would call from an email your ID 310 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: for Pete's sake, no caller ID. It would come up, 311 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: no caller ID. Interesting, she blocked her number somehow. She 312 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: wouldn't let me have seven, just so you know, go ahead. Yeah, 313 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: and she whatever she did, she made sure that I 314 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: didn't have her number. But she would call me and 315 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: we did speak in depth and she did give quite 316 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: a mouthful. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys, thank you 317 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Series eleven. 318 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories and we are 319 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: bringing you the latest on the case of a missing 320 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: little boy, Gannon Stouch. Right now, we're talking about his 321 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: stepmother that lived in the home with him. It seems 322 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: hell bet on getting an apology from people who pointed 323 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: the finger at her because of her Let me just 324 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: say child rearing tactics. Back to yugli Agan Crime online 325 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter, what are some of the things 326 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: a stepmother told you? Well, Nancy, she started out telling 327 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: me exactly what she did that day, Monday, January twenty seventh. 328 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: I'm curious what did she do? She said that she 329 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: took him to go to play it against. Remind you, 330 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 1: he's homestick from school. So you confirmed that with her 331 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: that he had been homesick from school. Well, what was 332 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: his ailment? May I ask? Stomach ache, nausea issues. He 333 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: was pooping in his hands and then he had bounced 334 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: between diarrhea and constipation at age eleven. Angelish She said 335 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: it was from medication. I guess side effects from a medication. 336 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: But then she added that he's always had these issues, 337 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: so it's one or the other. But either way, she said, 338 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: he was sick stomach ache, so she brought a white bag, 339 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: a white plastic bag for him to hold in case 340 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: he had to vomit. And the reason she told me 341 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: this was because neighbor Roger Drayton has a sill. Surveillance 342 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: footage of Gannon holding a white bag in his head, 343 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: and she was trying to explain what that was for. 344 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: So she takes this little boy to play it against sports. 345 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: Play it again sport. Yes, it's a youthful sporting right 346 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: where you can buy and sell equipment. And I guess 347 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 1: they have surveillance video of her taking him there. I 348 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: don't know that. We do not know that police will 349 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: not release that information. Hey Jack, will you just google 350 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: that for me really quickly. I don't recall hearing that 351 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: either it's playing against sport and where they sell like 352 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: used volleyballs and ski gear and lacrosse, whatever sport you play, 353 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: they had used equipment there you can buy. I haven't 354 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: heard anything about surveillance video there, but they may have 355 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 1: it and have not released it. But you know what, Lee, 356 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: now that I'm talking about it, Hold on, Cheryl McCollum, 357 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: don't you think if they had the video at their 358 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: video existed of stepmom in there with him, it would 359 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 1: have been released to show the public, to see if 360 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: anybody could verify it or follow her our seor lady, 361 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: and to see if there's any secrethenders in there, if 362 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: there's anybody lurking around here. That tells me it doesn't exist. 363 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's not popping up. That's my first 364 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: guess that it doesn't exist, or I think they would 365 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: have released it by now to get public tips and 366 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: information go ahead, Lee Egan after Played Again Sports, she 367 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: says they went to Castle Rock, that's about an hour 368 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: away from her home in Colorado Springs. They went to 369 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: Castle Rock to buy a surprise birthday bicycle for her 370 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: husband Al he was out of town working at the time. 371 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: Did she actually buy the bicycle? No, and she actually 372 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: never bought anything from Played Against Sport. Tell me what 373 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: does castle Rock? Explain? That it's about an hour away? 374 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: And she said she took the back roads to get 375 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: there because there was a wreck on the main highway. Really, now, 376 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: there was police searching around Douglas County, which is Castle 377 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: Rock is in Douglas County. Law enforcement and searchers were 378 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: searching all around that area, and she was putting herself. 379 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: She was trying to explain to me why her GPS 380 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: or her Apple smartwatch, because she left her phone at home, 381 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: why her Apple smartwatch would have pained in that area. 382 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: And she's explaining, well, that's simple. We went to Castle 383 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:46,359 Speaker 1: Rock to find al a bicycle you know at home? Yes, okay, 384 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: I've got a problem with that, Jason Oceans. You know, 385 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: I love cell phones. I love cell phones because they 386 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: can tell me where a defendant went. And here she's 387 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: left her phone at home, but apparently forgot about her 388 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: Apple Watch and it pinned in that area. So she 389 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,280 Speaker 1: takes a sick child, who, as she says, is pooping 390 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: in his pants. I don't know that. I do you 391 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: believe that with an eleven year old boy, Yeah, I 392 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: guess he could. You'd think you could get to the bathroom. 393 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 1: But if he's doing that, Jackie, why would she, Jason, 394 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: why would she take her child an hour away to 395 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: go shot for a bicycle that they didn't buy if 396 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: he's that ill, if he's having diarrhea and throwing up 397 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: so badly, man, I'd have John David Lucy in the bed. 398 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 1: You have him in bed, Nancy, you're you're a good mom, 399 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: and that's the right thing to do. So everything here 400 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: is breaking protocol, right, Why would you if you're if 401 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: your child is you know, now incontinent because of a 402 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: diarrhea and throwing up, and you take him out of school? 403 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: Now you're exposing them to going outside and driving a distance. 404 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: None of it me sense. Okay, yeah, it's speaking about 405 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: the pastor none of it fits man. So Lee Egan, 406 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: you're telling me she left her cell phone at home, 407 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 1: but she forgot about her Apple Watch and it pained 408 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: in that area. So she's explained to you why she's there. Yes, 409 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: she's assumed it pained in the area because they were 410 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: searching all over the exact area she drove through. Okay, 411 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: hold on to I mean, this is new information. I'm 412 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: trying to assimilate everything you're saying. So if she goes shopping, 413 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: I assumed that there's surveillance video of her looking at 414 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: bicycles and a shopping in a mall or at a 415 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 1: sports store. She never stopped. She said, we went to 416 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: see about it, but I never actually bought it, so 417 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: we don't know. She won't She wouldn't even give me 418 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: the name of the bicycle shop. Bober, Bober, please come 419 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: come down out of your ivory tower. Doctor Daniel Bober, 420 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: forensics psychiatrist. If I'm giving you my movements and I 421 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: call you and I say, hey, you're with crime Online, 422 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: I want to tell you what I did that day, 423 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: but I've blocked my phone number. I won't tell you 424 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: which store I went to, or whether I bought anything, 425 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: or whether I even entered the store. You don't have 426 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: a problem with that, doctor Bober, of course, Nancy. Listen, 427 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: there's red flags all over this. You know. I'll tell 428 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: you what you want to know, but only what I 429 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: want to tell you, though. I mean, it's very suspicious 430 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: of only what I want you to know. Okay, lee 431 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: A can pick it up. What else, hey, Nancy, Okay, 432 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 1: so there was something else too. I forgot to mention 433 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: she the surveillance footage, you know, circling back around to that, 434 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: because she was explain She was explaining to me why, 435 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: what happened, when and how, just trying to explain her 436 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: actions away. She insists that the surveillance footage taken on 437 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: Monday actually happened on a different day. What surveillan's footage 438 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: of the neighbor. Yeah, so neighbor Roderick Drayton, he took 439 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: he had his footage picks up sound, it picks up everything, 440 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: it's in color, it's full, it's clear. And he told 441 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 1: me that on Monday at ten twenty six am. He 442 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: sees Gannon looking very sick, looking very drugged, can barely 443 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: walk to the truck, gets in the truck with Titia 444 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: Letitia Stouch and leaves to twenty eight I'm sorry. Two 445 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: twenty pm. Letitia Stouch returns home alone. Gannon is not 446 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: with her now. When I spoke to the stepmother, she 447 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: claimed that that never happened. That back to the white bag. 448 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: If you look at the white bag in his hand, 449 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: I gave it to him that day because he was sick. 450 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: And if you see this other video, he has a 451 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: white bag. There was another video, but it was on Sunday. 452 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: So what she's trying to do is she's trying and 453 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: I you know, it's up to law enforcement that tells 454 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: us the truth. But from the neighbor, he's saying that 455 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 1: she's switching the dates up. Well, listen to the neighbor, 456 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: Roderick Drayton next wall. Like that Sunday when they went 457 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: to the garden to guard I watched him on my 458 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: video out back playing him and his sister. They were 459 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: playing outside by the truck. And then when they got 460 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: rid of leave heard chief said gammon, get on one 461 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: side and atlantic the other side. I could hear her 462 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: tell him that sat that in the left. They came back, 463 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: he got a truck, he got of the car and 464 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: he ran into the house. So he was trying fundays. 465 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: That Monday, when I was just looking through, I saw 466 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: him walking and he just didn't looked the same as 467 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: he did. Something he saw. I was like, something isn't right. 468 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: He doesn't look the same he looks you know, I 469 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: said he looked drugs or he just just didn't looks 470 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: like the same vibrant kid he did Sunday, even when 471 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: he was when they got back from the garden to guard, 472 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: because I've seen him getting the truck before, you know, 473 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: just just see him getting his dad trucking him driving off. 474 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: He just hot right and trust and show the door. 475 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: And that day it just he just didn't seem right. 476 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: He just seemed like something was bothering him or hurt him, 477 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: and he just didn't seem the same kid from Sunday. 478 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: You were listening to the neighbor, Roderick Drayton speaking to 479 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: Dave mac at Crime Online. You know, Dave Mack, you 480 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: got in touch with the neighbor and he told you 481 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: that and a whole lot more. As a matter of Fact. 482 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of what Roderick Drayton tells 483 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: our investigative reporter Dave mac I went over to if 484 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: and I'll say, hey, I have a camera that you 485 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: know this that I could see, you know, if anybody 486 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: came back, beat them up, you want to watch it? 487 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: And first thing she said was no, he went the 488 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: other way. He didn't come towards your house. So I 489 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it. 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But at Saturday, 498 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: the FBI and the company was one of my actingbost 499 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: so that he could watch the camera. And the guy said, 500 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: look at I watch your and he looked at my 501 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: mind back room and didn't go back to Saturdays. So 502 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: he looked back to Saturdays and he just downloading stuff. 503 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: So my wife and I we went out to the movies. 504 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 1: Can they come on? Lay? Why did you go back 505 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: to Saturday? Something isn't right. So I just when we 506 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: got back home, I just looked through hundreds and hundred 507 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: videos and just and I caught that and that was 508 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: like wow. And the first thing in the morning, I 509 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: got up, I knock doing this door. I was like, 510 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: you might want to see this video. You're hearing the neighbor. 511 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: And I find this particular spot to be very very probitive. Everybody, 512 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nations 513 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: us XM one eleven again and starts still missing. Take 514 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: a listen to cut twenty eight Jack. If I watched 515 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: the video at least twenty thirty times, I can get 516 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: to a thousan times and then me make sure. At 517 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: first I watched his own the tablet and zoom in. 518 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: I can zoom in, I can look. I saw no 519 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 1: fee I can, and I turned it out and I said, okay, 520 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: let me thank you the bye. She get out. She 521 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: goes the door, grinds are open, she gets alarm and 522 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: a dark ground. Nobody get out. But then I look 523 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: at him on on the TV, so then you get 524 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: a better you. And I put my phone to the TV, 525 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: so I can, you know, get him a better of you? 526 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, he never, He never got 527 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: into trucks when I went over to a doctor show 528 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: him straight back out to Lee Egan, Crime online dot 529 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Lee, explain to me what the neighbor 530 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: is saying today. So what he's saying is when he 531 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: saw a t sha come back home on Monday, January 532 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: twenty seventh, it was about two twenty pm. She got 533 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,360 Speaker 1: out of that truck alone. Now here's camera just her 534 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: leaving that morning with Gannon. When she comes home, she's alone. 535 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: He's nowhere to be found. He has not been seen since. Now. 536 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: What Titia Latitia is saying is that Rogerick is showing 537 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: us the wrong video. That he's showing a different day, 538 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: because if it was the same day, then that we 539 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: would have seen Gannon because he did come home with her. 540 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:28,479 Speaker 1: And Roderick's trying to explain absolutely not. I have sound, 541 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: it's in color. It's clear. I know what I saw 542 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: and I did not seek Annon get out of that truck, 543 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: and law enforcement did tell him. Thank you this is 544 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: a break we needed, so apparently, you know, it's something 545 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: that has been very helpful in the investigation. Jackie. I 546 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: want to hear Roderick Drayton in cut twenty two talking 547 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: about the FBI coming and seizing the videos. I've been 548 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: to Gage just you know, during the summertime working on stuff, 549 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: but you know, just casual. You know, Wayne about it. 550 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: Did you reach out to the police or to al 551 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: first when you realized you had video of Gannon leaving 552 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: the house? Well, drot A long ans Sod. I went 553 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 1: over to his house and I showed the video and 554 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: Dan once he started, he called the st GI and 555 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: they came over and took maybe sixty to seventy or 556 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: maybe an eighty videos they had reported, So they got 557 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: your whole supply of videos on either side of the 558 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: last video that captured Gannon. Yes, they have from from 559 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,760 Speaker 1: that battery until that Ballward week or they have all 560 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: of the day and night my phone, my Famira record 561 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: twenty four seven. It never starts reporting. It's not like events, 562 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: not like Tom wal Tine. It takes up its just 563 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: constant records. Dave Matt with me Crime Online dot Com 564 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Dave mc didn't he also tell you this 565 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: is Gannon's neighbor. That the camera records constantly and allows 566 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: him Roderick to watch on his iPad, his tablet, his TV, 567 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: his phone. He can zoom in and zoom out of 568 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: the picture. He can slow mo. He could see who 569 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: got out of the truck. The video has as Lee 570 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: was telling us, sound, He can actually hear the stepmother, 571 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: Letitia Staunch, get out of the truck, set the alarm, 572 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: shut the garage door, and nobody got out of that truck, 573 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,439 Speaker 1: but her not Gannon. Absolutely right, Nancy, And that's why 574 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: the sound actually is very helpful in that because you 575 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: can hear what Titia is doing and that Gannon is 576 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: not there. You can actually hear her opening the garage door, 577 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: setting the alarm, closing the garage door. You can hear 578 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: her footsteps as she moves. And again there is only 579 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: the sound of Letitia. There's never a sound of Gannon too. 580 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 1: Jason notions, New York defense attorney. That's why we have 581 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment. See if she had waited, as you 582 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: would advise your clients, till all the physical evidence had 583 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: been amassed, then she would have could have crafted a 584 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:20,240 Speaker 1: story to match the forensic evidence. But now she's already 585 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: locked herself into taking Ghanna to the sports use sports equipment, 586 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: taking him to Castle Rod to go shopping for a bicycle, 587 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: taking back roads, marrying herself to a timeline. And she 588 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,320 Speaker 1: also did that when she called Lee Egan repeatedly on 589 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: the phone at Crime Online. So she's committed to these 590 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 1: various statements. Sorry, Lee, they can always say you're lying, okay, 591 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: because it's not on video, it's not on audio. Get 592 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,720 Speaker 1: ready for that. But Jason, she's locked herself into a statement. 593 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: And now the neighbor, unbeknownst to her and really unbeknownst 594 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: to him, has everything they did that day outside the 595 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 1: home recorded. Don't you just hate that? Yeah, well, she 596 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: didn't calculate that in her in her planet, would see 597 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 1: right referring to her stepson in the past tense. She 598 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 1: she didn't have that plan down, Nancy. And criminals are 599 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,920 Speaker 1: take care of, you know, opportunists, but generally most get 600 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: caught because they don't think everything out. They don't deal 601 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: with this every day, whereas trained professionals or prosecutors or 602 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,800 Speaker 1: defense counsel do. And you see the shortcomings and in 603 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 1: her story, and as you say, backed herself into something 604 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: that's certainly that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Shortcomings 605 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: in her story. Some would call it an outright lie, 606 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: but fine, you go with the perfume on the pig. 607 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: I mean, Cheryl McCallum, director Coal Case Researches, did you 608 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: you know what this reminds me of? Remember Shenan Watts 609 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: and the husband, the killer husband, the killer dad Chris Watts. 610 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: Remember when his neighbors outside surveillance video caught him packing 611 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,680 Speaker 1: the car. They see Shenango in and she never comes out, 612 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 1: and he's actually packing the bodies of Shanan and their 613 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: two children, little Celeste. Oh so beautiful. But anyway, and 614 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: he's on video in the hull neighbor's home. When they 615 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: show him the outdoor video, he can't believe. Right, that 616 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: video disproves everything he's told police. Remember that, Oh, I do. Nancy, 617 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: she thought she was gonna be able to explain everything 618 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: away when she didn't know what direction knew bent. She 619 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: claimed she was in the basement when headphones working out. 620 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: She didn't know anything. When they found blood, Oh, he 621 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: had cut his foot. I mean, she had an answer 622 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: for everything. This is gonna be the end results. When 623 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:58,160 Speaker 1: they recover his body, he will be wearing the same 624 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,280 Speaker 1: clothes from that Monday, and she will have no excuse 625 00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: for that. You know, when I've been sitting here, Cheryl, 626 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: as we did so many many times, sitting around the 627 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: district attorney's table, talking about this piece of evidence and 628 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: that piece of evidence, and what about this, and what 629 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 1: about that? When you just said that about how Gannon 630 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: ultimately is going to be found wearing the same clothes 631 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: he had on that day when the neighbor you know, 632 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: coincidentally inadvertently videoed him and really brings it home to me, 633 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:44,720 Speaker 1: this little boy is dead. Sadly. Yeah, yeah, you know, Cheryl, 634 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 1: this morning when I dropped the children off at school, 635 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: watched them walk in. You never think that will be 636 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: the last time that you may ever see your children again. 637 00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at KKTV eleven. This 638 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,880 Speaker 1: is Diane Derby and Dawn Ward. It's a stepmom accused 639 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,200 Speaker 1: of murder reportedly slipped out of her handcuffs in the 640 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,800 Speaker 1: back of the vehicle and attacked a deputy who was 641 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: helping bring her back here to Colorado. Sources tell eleven News. 642 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 1: The deputy was taken to the hospital with injuries and 643 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: that is why her transport was suddenly stopped, and that's 644 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 1: why Latitia Stalk was jailed in Kansas for about twelve hours. 645 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: This is the arrest photo of her taken in Kansas. 646 00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: She was released overnight and we don't know yet if 647 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: Stalk's going to face any additional charges for the attack 648 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 1: on that deputy tonight. We've asked the Opasso County Sheriff's 649 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: office for a comment and we're told they cannot comment 650 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: on that transport. Well, I can guarantee you this, she 651 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: will be charged if she attacked a deputy for Pete's sake. 652 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: Right now, the stepmother, which truly feeds into the notion 653 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: of the evil stepmother, Letitia T. Stoch, has been charged 654 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 1: with murder. The search for Gannon goes on tipline seven 655 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: nine three nine zero five five five five Nancy Grace 656 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: Crime Story signing off Goodbye friend.