1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Klay, Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: Welcome in, Oh. 4 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 3: Boy, Chaos, Chaos, Chaos. I feel like that could be 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 3: the story that we begin with for the next six 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 3: months as we move closer to November fifth, the Trump 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 3: trial underway. So all of you know I have not 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: yet been arrested. If you missed yesterday show, CNN says 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 3: that I've committed felonies and should be arrested. Maybe we'll 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 3: play that audio for you a little bit later in 11 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 3: the program, but I want to update you with everything 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 3: that's going on right now, which is I would say 13 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 3: remarkably chaotic, even with the Trump standard of chaos that 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 3: often applies. So let me give you like a rundown 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 3: of what is transpiring as we speak. Julie Kelly is 16 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: going to join us at one thirty eastern right now. 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court is hearing a case on whether or 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 3: not half of the charges that Jack Smith brought related 19 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 3: to January sixth on Donald Trump can be applied or 20 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 3: not to his actions on that day. And this gets 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: into the weeds a little bit, and we will be 22 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 3: talking about this in detail with her. But you may 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,199 Speaker 3: have heard us discussing it for some time. Essentially, prosecutors 24 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,720 Speaker 3: tried to use a corporate statute that was passed as 25 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: a part of Sarbanes Oxley that was designed to restrict 26 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 3: corporate governance malfeasans, and they are trying to use that 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: to apply it to people who walked into the Capitol 28 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: on January sixth by saying that they were obstructing an 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: official proceeding. And the Court is having to analyze whether 30 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: or not that has been appropriately applied to the January 31 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: sixth defendants. An early spoiler alert this morning, Buck, I 32 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: was listening and reading about that argument. I don't think 33 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: this is going to be close. I think it's going 34 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 3: to be at least three that they cannot use these statutes, 35 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 3: and it may go all the way out to potentially 36 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: some of the liberal justices as well, who have evinced 37 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: a great deal of skepticism. Also, we'll get Julie Kelly's 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: read have you seen this? I mean, I think if 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 3: they were to go seven to two or something in 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: that magnitude to strike this down, it would be a 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: huge blow to Jack Smith and all of the Democrats 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,119 Speaker 3: that have tried to use this January sixth statute. 43 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 4: Well, I also think that it goes into a larger framework, 44 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: a bigger it's evidence in a bigger trial, if you will, 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: that how many times can they try to use the 46 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: law against Trump and they have to get slapped down? 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 48 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 4: You look at all the different prosecutors, all the different 49 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 4: efforts to destroy Trump that we are finding the system 50 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: itself is saying is outrageous, meaning they've tried to abuse 51 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 4: the system to destroy Trump. And then people have had 52 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 4: to step in at the Supreme Court level, for example, 53 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 4: and say, guys, what are you doing. That's not constitutional, 54 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 4: that's not lawful. And the best example is the nine 55 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: to zero of what Colorado was trying to do. And 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 4: then Maine dabbled in for a second of removing Trump 57 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 4: from the ballot. To be very clear, the most left 58 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 4: wing justices I think in the history of the Supreme Court, okay, 59 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 4: and certainly the most among the most anti Trump judges 60 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 4: you'll find anywhere went along with the majority and that 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 4: they said, guys, you can't just say we think he 62 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 4: did a thing that hasn't been proven in court, and 63 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: we're going to remove him from the ballot and he 64 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 4: can't be president. He can't do that, right, I mean, 65 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 4: you're effectively overriding federal elections. Clay, if this happens now 66 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: to your point about the Supreme Court argument this morning, 67 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 4: if that gets struck down, they will have abused another 68 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 4: statute to pile up against not just Trump but his supporters. 69 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 4: Their abuse isn't just a matter of opinion, and their 70 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: abuse of the law is becoming increasingly a matter of 71 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: fact over and over again. 72 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: And this is also important they are trying now. This 73 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: has just happened. The prosecutors have filed emotion to hold 74 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: Trump in contempt for violating the gag order that was 75 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 3: put on place in place for him in the Manhattan 76 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: criminal trial. Trump has already weighed in this morning, and 77 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 3: I listened and I was like, wow, this is what 78 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 3: he said outside of the courtroom as we were as 79 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: he entered this morning. 80 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: So this is a couple of hours ago. I think. Now, listen, 81 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: we have a judge who shouldn't be on this case. 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 5: He's totally conflicted. 83 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: But this is a. 84 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 2: Trial that should never happen. You should have been thrown 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 2: out a long time ago. 86 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: If you look at a job at the jar, Andy 87 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: regard all great legal skys is not one that we've 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: been able to find that. 89 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: Said this should be a trial right now in Pennsylvania 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: and far in many other states. North Camp, JUGI campaign 91 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: this is all coming from the bite White House because 92 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 2: they guy can't put two sentences together. You can't campaign 93 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: maybe A using this in order to try and win 94 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 2: an election, and it's not. 95 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 6: Working that way. 96 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: It's working the opposite. 97 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 3: Wayer Okay, So that is Trump this morning. He also 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: posted on truth right before he went into the courtroom. Buck, 99 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 3: this conflicted Trump hating judge won't let me respond to 100 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: people that are on TV lying and spewing hate all 101 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 3: day long. He's running roughshod over my lawyers and legal team. 102 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 3: The New York system of quotation marks justice is being 103 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 3: decimated by critics from all over the world. I want 104 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 3: to speak or at least be able to respond. Election interference, rigged, 105 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 3: unconstitutional trial. Take off the gag order. Now, Buck, here's 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 3: my question for you. Are they gonna put them in 107 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 3: jail over this? Because I think that's where this is headed. 108 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 3: I think this judge wants Trump in jail for VIAT 109 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: for contempt. And I don't think it's crazy to think 110 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: it's gonna happen. I think Trump may want it to happen. 111 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: Well, this is there are some parts of this that 112 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 4: are legal analysis and parts of this that become very 113 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 4: obviously political analysis, and I know they're intertwined as well. 114 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 4: I know we get this question all the time, and 115 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 4: it's funny because I don't know anybody who has an 116 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: answer to it. How do you incarcerate somebody who has 117 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 4: lifetime twenty four to seven Secret Service protected. We started 118 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 4: asking this years ago. Yeah, we've been looking at this 119 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 4: for a long time now. There is precedent for you know, 120 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 4: taking taking a person and putting them in I think 121 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 4: they call it administrative administrative segregation where you know, for example, 122 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: if a cop gets put in like state prison, they 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 4: sometimes will move because you know, maybe. 124 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 3: They need a protective custody basically different to the other 125 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 3: members of the of the jail. 126 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you could do something like that, but you 127 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: would have to have Secret Service, like I think Trump might. 128 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: This is I understand, this is crazy. Can I just 129 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: preface this. I know what we're saying here is crazy, 130 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 4: but we're in a crazy time everyone. I think there's 131 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 4: a situation where maybe they would because if they hold 132 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 4: him in contempt. 133 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: What he's going to be forty eight hours or something, right, 134 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: I thinen him in cuffs and they walk, they purple walk. 135 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: That's what I said. That's the question. 136 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 4: They want to break, the seal they want to establish, 137 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 4: just like remember the brag trial was the first one 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 4: to bring an indictment, which I always thought was significant 139 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 4: because yeah, it was flimsy, but they knew that there 140 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 4: was no process by which it would likely be overturned 141 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: or stopped in New York. So they wanted to set 142 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 4: the precedent, and all the omens came in Clay, I 143 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: think they could put him. I think they think, I'll 144 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 4: put it that way. They think they could end up 145 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 4: putting him in and administer great. By the way, if 146 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 4: we have somebody from like Bureau of Prisons or you know, 147 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 4: New York State Bureau of Prisons, or just in general, 148 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 4: let us know if you think there is some precedent. 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: My sense is they would have to shut down. 150 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 4: Like a wing of a holding facility, and then there 151 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 4: have to be secret service there to protect him. But 152 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 4: he'd have to be inside of a cell for a 153 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 4: couple of days, and that's what they would That's what 154 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 4: they would. They can't. 155 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 156 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: I mean that the New York State can't say you 157 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 4: no longer have Secret Service protection. They can't do that. 158 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 3: Okay, So that leads to the which is crazy. There 159 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: aren't a lot of precedents for this, Okay, there's no president, 160 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 3: like there's no I mean, there are precedents for famous 161 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 3: people being held in contempt of court. Never someone would 162 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: secret Service protection. They never a former and likely future 163 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 3: president of the United States though. So here is my 164 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: question for you. Then, as a part of that, is 165 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: this Trump as I've used this anound because I remember 166 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 3: growing up watching it. 167 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: Do you know brer Rabbit at Allbuck? Do you remember 168 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 2: the Braer Rabbit stories? 169 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 4: No, ok, I don't know what you're talking about. 170 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: I don't know what percentage of people out there will 171 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: remember this. I'm in Georgia, by the way, which is 172 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: where I think that Joeld Chandler Harris Breer Rabbit stories originated. 173 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: They were later made into cartoons, all this stuff Breer Rabbit, 174 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 3: and before they decided that Splash Mountain was racist at 175 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 3: Disney World, Breer Rabbit was the star of Splash Mountain. 176 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,359 Speaker 2: If any of you have been on the Splash Mountain. 177 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 3: Ride at Disney, Okay, Breer Rabbit would always say, don't 178 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: throw me in the briar patch. Whatever you do, don't 179 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: throw me in the briar patch. Is Donald Trump daring 180 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 3: marchand this judge, as well as the larger Democrat party 181 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 3: apparatus to put him in jail, because in the same 182 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: way that the mugshot was a huge benefit to Trump, 183 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 3: is him getting put in jail for contempt of court 184 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 3: a huge political win for him? Leave aside the legal 185 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 3: for right now. 186 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: I do think so, especially especially on this because even 187 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: people who are casual observers. 188 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: Of the news, which is most people, because most. 189 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: People are you know, we have a hyper attuned and 190 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 4: informed audience most of America. As much as I love America, 191 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 4: people have other things that don't watch the news, even 192 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: if you or watch much of the news, and they 193 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 4: get their news from bad places. 194 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: In a lot of play, in a lot of context too. 195 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 4: I think that the that Donald Trump in a cell, 196 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 4: the reason being he was held in contempt by a judge, 197 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: the reason being he's speaking out against a trial that 198 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 4: has to do with a business administrative accounting error. That's 199 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 4: all this is that is what we're talking about here. 200 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 4: I think that any normal person who has not been 201 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: just steeped in Trump arrangement syndrome would say to that, 202 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 4: this is this, we can't have this in our country. 203 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 4: And I think that's why the polls are all showing 204 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 4: what they're showing right now. 205 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: Clay, That's that's the truth. 206 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is why. I mean, look, you things 207 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 3: cut through. I think what you said is a good 208 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 3: a good point. What percentage of people do you think 209 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 3: have seen the Trump mugshot photo? What percentage of American voters? 210 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: One hundred percent. I think it's almost impossible that you 211 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: would not have seen the Trump mug shot h picture, 212 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: even if you're not paying attention to the news on 213 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: a day to day basis. 214 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I think if you can name the current 215 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 4: vice president, you've seen the mugshot photo, you know what 216 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:36,240 Speaker 4: I mean? 217 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: Like, I think if you have a. 218 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 3: Photo they canname the vice president, I think it's almost 219 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: one hundred percent of voters would have seen that photo. 220 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: My point is almost one hundred percent of voters. I'm 221 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: saying voters because you know, forty percent of people are 222 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 3: not voting. I think almost one hundred percent of voters 223 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 3: will see if Trump is arrested. They may not pay 224 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: attention to the results of the trial. They may not 225 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 3: be following on a day to day basis like we are. 226 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 3: And to me, I think it's highly likely that it 227 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: would work to his favor. And I wonder how much 228 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 3: political calculus in the same way. We've talked for a 229 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 3: long time now, ever since the raid on mar Lago 230 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 3: in what August of twenty two, we have said there's 231 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 3: a two tier story here, the legal and the political, 232 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 3: and they're intertwined in a way that we've never seen before. 233 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 3: Something can me smart legally and really poor decision politically, 234 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 3: and vice versa. And also I think something to remember 235 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 3: about where the Democrats are and the anti Trump machinery. 236 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:36,719 Speaker 3: They thought all along that these trials, that these prosecutions 237 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 3: would destroy Donald Trump. They have no choice but to 238 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 3: see all of this through. To withdraw all of it 239 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 3: at this point, or to withdraw all the efforts to say, 240 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: all right, you know, the elections coming up, we're going 241 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 3: to defer. Delay would be essentially to admit that they 242 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 3: had made some political calculation error. So they have to 243 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: go all the way with this, And I think that 244 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: in New York. What you're seeing is if they brought 245 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: this trial and I'm gonna say, I mean they they 246 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 3: did this to Trump's uh Trump Incorporate, you know, corporation 247 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 3: accountant Alan Weiselberg, who's gone to prison, and they just 248 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: sent to Peter Navarro, uh to prison. He's serving a 249 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 3: sentence right now for not testifying to Congress because he's 250 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 3: associated with Trump. If they did this to anyone, Clay, 251 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: it would be an outrage. That they're doing it to 252 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: the person who is leading in the presidential nomination contest 253 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 3: right now according to every single polling company in the 254 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: United States is It's outrageous beyond words. But they have 255 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 3: what are they going to do? They won't stop, so 256 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 3: they're going to see this all the way through. I 257 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 3: don't know I see a way around it. I mean 258 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 3: I think that and and locking Trump up. 259 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 4: Please, if you're from if you if you worked in prisons, 260 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 4: and you have some idea of how they could do this, 261 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 4: I don't even know what would they do? How would 262 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,840 Speaker 4: this go? Let us know, because I'd be very curious 263 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 4: to hear it. I think the only answer is if 264 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 4: they would have have to have the Secret Service come 265 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 4: in clear a wing, shut down the wing, and it 266 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: would almost be like you remember when Pablo Escobar got 267 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 4: to build his own prison, kind of be a little 268 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 4: bit like that, because like your guys would be running 269 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: the thing, and uh, nobody would really be. 270 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 2: And I don't know. 271 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 3: Also, Buck, he has to be in court, so I 272 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: don't even know how they can jail him, because the 273 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: judge is already said that he has to be present 274 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: in court, even if it means that he misses his 275 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 3: son's graduation potentially, So if he gets put in court, 276 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: it further delays the process of the trial. I mean, 277 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: it's put in jail, it further delays the process of 278 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 3: the trial. 279 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: I just I don't even know. I this is fascinating. 280 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 2: I don't even know how this plays out. 281 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: But yeah, to your point eight hundred two A two 282 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 3: two eight eight two, if you have some theory, based 283 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 3: on your knowledge of the New York court system, what 284 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: this would be like or how it would work, I would. 285 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: Actually be be fascinated to hear. 286 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna we're gonna dive into this, and I think, uh, 287 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 4: I mean it's gonna. 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They've 341 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 4: locked him up. It's horrible, horrible what they're doing to Clay. 342 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 4: He just wants good patriots to be on the jury. 343 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 4: And all of a sudden, now they're saying, Clay, you're 344 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 4: having moldy bread, just moldy bread, not the beautiful Boloney 345 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 4: sandwiches and mountain dew that he usually eats. 346 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: That's coming. 347 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 3: That's pretty good. I don't think they have mountain dew. 348 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: I don't think they have Crockett coffee in prison. I'm 349 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,119 Speaker 3: a little bit nervous about it or jail, but so 350 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 3: far not in handcuffs. 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I don't know if they want to 376 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 3: be prosecuted or not, but this is legitimately what they 377 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 3: were saying on CNN last night. I haven't heard this. 378 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 3: I don't think bucks heard it. Let's all listen and 379 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: we'll see whether or not I'm going to be in 380 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: a handcuff soon. 381 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 7: Do everything you can to get seated on the jury 382 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 7: and then refuse to convict as a matter of principle, 383 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 7: doing the case via hung jury, it's the most patriotic 384 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 7: thing you could do. 385 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 6: It speaks to the perversion of patriotism that's come from 386 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 6: some of those in that wing. 387 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 2: The most patriot thing you can do is to do 388 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,120 Speaker 2: your duty as a jurist. 389 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 8: First and foremost. It's not the first person to ever 390 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 8: argue for jury nullification. That being said, I think was 391 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 8: a poor choice of words, but I think again it 392 00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 8: is illustrating in some ways the frustration that is in 393 00:19:57,359 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 8: many ways across the place. 394 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 7: Look, it's more than a portrait. Why supports it also 395 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 7: would be a felony to encourage people to lie again 396 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 7: on a jury. 397 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 8: I would agree that again, you cannot be telling people 398 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 8: to willfully go into a courtroom and break the law. 399 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 2: Even if it benefits you politically. 400 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 4: Okay, hold on, hold on, Hold. 401 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: On a second. 402 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 4: At no point it's crazy we're even talking to this, 403 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 4: but we're gonna talk. 404 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 2: This was CNN's main debate. 405 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: By the way, Buck, this is the first time I 406 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 3: think they've talked about me on CNN since my ban 407 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: for saying the First Amendment boob. So in some way, 408 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: I don't know if the ban is lifted, if they're 409 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 3: doing entire segments discussing what I've said, But I'll let 410 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 3: you react to it. 411 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 4: No, it's just there's for the whole thing is crazy. 412 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 4: This is all First Amendment territory. But beyond that, clearly 413 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 4: you didn't say lie that you know, no one's saying 414 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 4: lie under oath to a judge. 415 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,239 Speaker 3: I certainly didn't say willfully lie either, So they just 416 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 3: made it. I mean they literally read the tweet and 417 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: then lied about what I said in the tweet. 418 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 4: Right, And also know that that's just a fancy way 419 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 4: of saying you don't believe that the prosecution is just, 420 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 4: and I mean any juror has the right to say that. 421 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 4: I don't believe this is a just prosecution. I will 422 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 4: not convict. I don't even care what the evidence is. 423 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 4: That is that that is why we have trial by jury, 424 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: because human beings get to make these decisions. 425 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:22,719 Speaker 2: They're not robots. 426 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: They don't just take the instructions from the prosecutor and 427 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 4: don't think about things. And it's amazing to me that 428 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: we just had we had, as I said, oj you 429 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 4: know passed away last week, and you've all these people saying. 430 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 2: Oh, that's what the system deserves. 431 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, the system should have let a wife abusing, narcissistic 432 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 4: psychopath cut two people's heads off because he was having 433 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 4: a bad day. That really, that really taught a lesson 434 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 4: to all the all the racism in the system. It 435 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 4: was an unbelievably stupid argument that a lot of people 436 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: somehow bought into the argument that an entirely unjust prosecution 437 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 4: of a presidential candidate should be met with a with jurors. 438 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: By the way, I think all the jurors should find 439 00:21:59,040 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 4: him not guilty. 440 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 2: How about that we saw to. 441 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: The experience of the case, which has all been out 442 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: in the public for years. We're not talking about some 443 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 3: case where we're like, okay, let's sit back and see 444 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 3: what the evidence reflects. Every detail of the stormy Daniel's 445 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 3: allegation has been written about for when did they do 446 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: like the sit down interview with Anderson Cooper, like twenty seventeen. 447 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 3: I mean it's been like seven or eight years that 448 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: we've all had the ability six or seven years to 449 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: hear everything that she said. 450 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: I mean, fundamentally, what they what they are presenting is 451 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 4: not something that any reasonable person would say should take. 452 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 4: It should be a thing that can take away a 453 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 4: person's freedom. Okay, having your lawyers say this is like 454 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 4: a fee and not a payoff to somebody or whatever 455 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 4: is not something that somebody should get. Who is the victim? 456 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 4: What is the damage? That is the fundamental question that 457 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 4: cannot be answered. The victim is the public's right to know. Well, 458 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 4: if the public has a right to know, because it's 459 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 4: a campaign expense, as I've said all along, then you 460 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 4: could use you could use campaign dollars to pay off anybody. 461 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's crazy. That can't work. There's a 462 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: reason why the John Edwards prosecution fell apart and why 463 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 4: they didn't bring it again because you know, you get 464 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 4: into this area where like, well, what are we really 465 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 4: saying here? What are the expectations and who is harmed 466 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,679 Speaker 4: in all of this. Also, Clay Trump is, as we know, 467 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 4: worth billions of dollars. We're having this conversation over what 468 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 4: is one hundred and thirty grand? Yes, I mean, I 469 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:30,639 Speaker 4: know for like you know, I remember when I had 470 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 4: five hundred dollars in my bank account. I've been working 471 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,159 Speaker 4: for ten years. 472 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: I get it. One hundred and thirty grand can be 473 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,160 Speaker 2: a lot of money. 474 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: It's not a lot of money to Trump though, in 475 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 4: the kind of world we're talking about here, where you're 476 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 4: looking at presidents and people who are operating at the 477 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 4: level of influence, and the notion of one hundred and 478 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: thirty grand this is this is couch cushion money. 479 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 2: But I also I would want to ask that. 480 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 4: CNN panel, so is the America they want to live 481 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 4: in one in which people are no longer allowed to 482 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 4: opine over what they believe is an unjust prosecution. What 483 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 4: does the whole be a movement about They're assuming the 484 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 4: innocence of people who have been shot by police, in 485 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 4: some cases, continuing to pretend that they are innocent, even 486 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 4: after a court has found that or an investigation or 487 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 4: both that they are in fact criminals who were shot 488 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 4: by police as in the case of Mike Brown, he 489 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 4: was a criminal shot attacking a police officer, committing a 490 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 4: crime in the act, and committed to crime before that 491 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 4: act as well. But they still lie about all hands up, 492 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 4: don't shoot. Oh it was all did you see what 493 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 4: I'm saying? 494 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: Like they they wanted that officer, Darren Wilson to go 495 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: to prison. So that's okay. This this whole thing is nuts. 496 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 4: You can't weigh in on what you think the justice 497 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 4: of a prosecution is. You don't live in a free 498 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 4: society anymore at all, if that is the new rule, 499 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 4: and all of that is true, and I am one 500 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 4: hundred percent confident that I didn't break any law. Having 501 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 4: said that, we're living in such a banana republic that 502 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg has lost all concepts of traditional justice. I mean, 503 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 4: when he's charging a marine on the subway for trying 504 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 4: to protect people, and when he's trying to put Trump 505 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 4: in prison over a bookkeeping error that he's elevating after 506 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 4: the statute of limitations has expired, by the way, from 507 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 4: a misdemeanor to a felony that I don't think legally 508 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 4: is tenable. Remember this, in order to be elevated to 509 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 4: a felony. This book keeping misdemeanor has to be tied 510 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,240 Speaker 4: to another crime. They still haven't specified, to my knowledge, 511 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 4: which crime they're tying it to. All of this is 512 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:34,159 Speaker 4: so crazy, But I don't know that Alvin Bragg and 513 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 4: Democrats right now could do something where. 514 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: I would say, I truly can't believe they're doing this. 515 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: So I think there's a zero percent chance that I 516 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: have legally done anything wrong. 517 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 2: They're crazy, Like if. 518 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 4: Something crazy happens, just you've got to request that Trump 519 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 4: become your bunkmate, if both of you get sent to 520 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 4: the Big House. 521 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 2: I could see it now. 522 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 4: It'd be like Klay Travis, great American seca football, very knowledgeable, 523 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: wants top punk. 524 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 2: Problem problem with top punk? Trump gets top punk really funny. 525 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 3: I think I would do well with Trump as a 526 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 3: as a cell mate. I think we would probably get 527 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 3: along fairly. I think we'd have a lot in common. 528 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: I could do way. 529 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: Worse, right, So I just can you believe that CNN 530 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: legitimately last night, Buck argued that they want me charged 531 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: with a felony for questioning the legitimacy of the charges 532 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 3: that have been brought against Trump and for saying that 533 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 3: I hope that there is someone out there that will 534 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: actually apply the law and their common sense and make 535 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: a rational decision on this case. But by the way, Buck, 536 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: they've already had fifty plus jurors say they couldn't be impartial, 537 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: and they're already gone. 538 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: Who has not already made up their mind on this case? Right? 539 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:49,239 Speaker 4: Like? 540 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 3: How would you live in New York not know the 541 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: Stormy Daniels story, not know everything about Trump? I just 542 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 3: if this year we're actually going to a pattern, It's 543 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 3: really difficult. An important point we have just unfortunately, there's 544 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 3: been an abandoning of a reality, which is Trump can't 545 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: get Trump can't get a fair trial in New York. 546 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 3: But they bring it in New York because they know 547 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,440 Speaker 3: the system there is going the who is watching the watchers, 548 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:16,880 Speaker 3: Who does he appeal to? 549 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,479 Speaker 4: What is the higher authority? It's all Democrats, all New 550 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 4: York Democrats who are in them. They destroy Trump phenomenon. 551 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 4: That's why they brought this right because and you know 552 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 4: they tried this thing in Atlanta too. They want to 553 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 4: get it out of the federal system because they know 554 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 4: ultimately in the federal system it can always end up 555 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 4: in the Supreme Court. And that's what's happened already a 556 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: number of times right in New York. Unless there's some 557 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 4: constitutional issue at large, a New York jury being unfair 558 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 4: and crappy, New York judges being lunatic Democrats, new York 559 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 4: appeals courts hating Trump, that's not really reviewable by the 560 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 4: Supreme Court unless there's a specific issue that they're you know, 561 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 4: you see what I'm saying. 562 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 3: So it's harder to get state issues into the Supreme 563 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 3: Court than it is federal issues into the Supreme Court, 564 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 3: because you have to have a peg of a federal 565 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: issue that you make in a state court. 566 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 4: Yes, and so they get to control the whole ecosystem. 567 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 4: The entire New York judicial ecosystem is anti Trump. They 568 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 4: know it. They're not even getting a venue changed, you know, 569 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 4: So we're it's already baked into the system. Of course, 570 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 4: Trump can't get a fair trial in New York City, 571 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 4: and they don't want him to get a fair trial, 572 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 4: which is why they're bringing this case in the first place. 573 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: None of this is about justice or fairness. 574 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 2: That's why I'm not troubled. 575 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,719 Speaker 3: I wish we could have the same jury pool in 576 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: South Florida because it's roughly fifty to fifty. It's a 577 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: fifty to fifty America. The jury pool should be fifty 578 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 3: to fifty of Americans if we were actually going to 579 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 3: have an honest accounting of this entire case as opposed 580 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: to a rigged left wing jury pool. I mean, I 581 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 3: just think that you if there's one Trump voter on 582 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 3: that jury, I can't imagine that Trump voter would see 583 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: this and say, yeah, I think that he committed this 584 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: crime that isn't even really a crime, right, So that's 585 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: I think that they're gonna have it a difficult The 586 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 3: only thing that I could see is they try to 587 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 3: just bully and maybe it's a couple of Trump owters. 588 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: I don't know. 589 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 4: They try to bully that one person into going along 590 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 4: with this. But I don't think you can say we 591 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 4: talked about being held in contempt. What if he gets 592 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: found guilty. I think there's a there's a distinct possibility 593 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 4: that he does get found guilty because people are on 594 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 4: the jury just do what they're told and they hate him, 595 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 4: and then what happens, you know what I mean? So 596 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: we have some people by the weighing in on the 597 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,000 Speaker 4: actual prison situation, we should get them. Okay, we'll take 598 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: some of those calls and we come back eight hundred 599 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 4: and two A two two eight A two. 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Enjoy it while you can, because I'm sure 626 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 4: the coffee in the Big House not a delicious, not 627 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 4: as pro America, pro freedom as Crocketcoffee dot com. 628 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 3: Do you think you could get me some Crockett coffee 629 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: in the Big House for Trump and I to share 630 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 3: in the cell? 631 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 2: Like, do you think? 632 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 3: Because I think be the inmates, I'm gonna need to 633 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: develop some goodwill with the inmates so they don't beat 634 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 3: me up. I'm guessing the average inmate is probably bigger, stronger, 635 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 3: and tougher than me. Just tossing it out there, I 636 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: don't think people look at me and they're like, I 637 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 3: don't want to mess with that guy in the in 638 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 3: the food line, So I need something to ingratiate myself. 639 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 4: Some people use cigarettes, you'll use Crocket coffee there, right, 640 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 4: we'll figure out Crocketcoffee dot com. 641 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,959 Speaker 3: Over one hundred thousand dollars in coffee sold for true Americans. 642 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: It's gonna be really popular in Riker's Island. And we 643 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 3: got a bunch of people by the way about this. 644 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 645 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 4: Let's let's take Leon in fair Fayettville, North Carolina. 646 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 2: Retired correction sergeant. What's going on? Leon? 647 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 6: Hey, how you doing, sir? 648 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 2: Good? Sir? Great, But they have to protect the wings. 649 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 5: Uh. 650 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 6: Some prisons for police officers, judges and those types that 651 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 6: would be a target for the inmate population. But he 652 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 6: would have to go on protect the custody. But I 653 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 6: couldn't see it because he could be touched. You have 654 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 6: an inmate that, uh, he has to clean up. He 655 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 6: could have chemicals in the mop bucket that he could 656 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 6: mop it. 657 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 2: They won't think. 658 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: Nothing of it. 659 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 6: Next thing you know, he's setting it a fire. 660 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: Oh wow, And you got Trump was slocked. 661 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 6: In the cell. 662 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 5: Uh, hardly gonna how they're gonna protect him. 663 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 6: You got inmates bringing the food and that's great. 664 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: It's all great points. 665 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 3: Leon, How do you think I would do in prison 666 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 3: if they try to put me in prison, Do you 667 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 3: think I'd be well liked there? 668 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 2: Do you think the guards would like me? How would 669 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 2: you assess my chances? 670 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 5: Uh? 671 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 6: Because of your politics, I think you'd be mother would think. 672 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 5: A lot of. 673 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 6: Oh boy, they got so many shanks on the yard. 674 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 6: I don't see how they're gonna protect the president if 675 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 6: he goes in there. 676 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 4: Feels thanks, thank you Leon for calling in for give 677 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 4: us the correction. 678 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,959 Speaker 2: This fields like a stupid sitcom idea. 679 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: It's like the president has to go to prison and 680 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 3: the Secret Service goes with him, Like, what's gonna happen? 681 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,680 Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know when they put Madeoff in prison, 682 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 4: apparently it was now that was a federal prison. Yeah, 683 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 4: what's apparently there's differences between I mean, there's differences what 684 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 4: I'm saying in the I don't know. I'm not a 685 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 4: There are better places to go to serve time than 686 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 4: worse right, and he was not in like a Uh, 687 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 4: you know, Rikers Island would be very very low on 688 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 4: the list of places you would want to go. Rikers 689 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 4: Island is a hellhole. I have a lot of cop friends. 690 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 4: The NYPD are like, you don't want to spend any 691 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 4: time in Rikers Island. But when when Madeoff got sent 692 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 4: to federal prison, there were stories about how a lot 693 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 4: of the inmates were just like respected him because of 694 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 4: because his con was so big, and they they thought 695 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,120 Speaker 4: it was like they're like he was, and they also 696 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 4: wanted to know how he did it. So he apparently 697 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 4: made friends in a lot of friends in federal prison. 698 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 4: You never know who's gonna get you know. 699 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 3: The law degree would probably help me because I could 700 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 3: be a Jeilhouse warrior legitimately. 701 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 2: Uh, and I would Steve and Pensacola Beach. 702 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 1: Uh. 703 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: You were helping to handle Manuel Noriega. 704 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:19,280 Speaker 5: Well, I was in FCI Miami with Lord Conrad Black. 705 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys know who. 706 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,200 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they put him in there for nonsense. I 707 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 4: forgot about. 708 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, we were cell mates together and so uh Noriega 709 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 5: had his own cell built out across from the pill line. 710 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,439 Speaker 5: And so what would happen is is that for high 711 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 5: profile peoples. And I was a former count of commissioner 712 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 5: that was charged with the same thing that Hunter Biden was. 713 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 5: But I went to prison for a year, no questions asked. 714 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 5: But they have you know, in the federal prison, prison's prison, 715 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 5: and Clay you would do all right, but you'd been 716 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 5: a little tough for Shape. 717 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: Uh just wait, why do you think I dude, why 718 00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 3: do you think I do better in prison than Buck? 719 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 2: What do you think the prison inmates would like me more? 720 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 5: Well, you know at Ginger saying is a tough thing 721 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 5: to cross, and but you know what kills me is 722 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,799 Speaker 5: all policies towards prison reform and criminal justice reform is 723 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,720 Speaker 5: lost on everything. He is the only one that stepped 724 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 5: up to really try to reform the criminal justice system. 725 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 4: Steve, are you the fact that Clay only has cats 726 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 4: before we throw Ginger under the bus? 727 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,480 Speaker 2: Like, I don't know how that does. I got out voted. 728 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 2: I didn't want the cats. I don't know if you 729 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 2: heard that. I don't heard that. Steve just said that 730 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 2: changes things a bit. 731 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 3: Steve, my three kids and my wife, they all argued 732 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: during COVID that they needed cats, and I didn't have 733 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 3: the stones to overrule them. 734 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 2: Now, if the inmates say hear the story. 735 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 4: The flute squad may come after you more for being 736 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 4: part of the feline society. So you know, the Steven Petsicola. 737 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 4: Thank you, sir, Wow, he served with you. Do you 738 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,240 Speaker 4: remember the Conrad Black situation they went after him before. 739 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 4: If I remember, I'm going for memory. I don't get 740 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 4: everything right. 741 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 2: Unfortunately. 742 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 4: I think it was honest services fraud for running which 743 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,080 Speaker 4: later on on the Supreme Court. Basically, I think maybe 744 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 4: they took they took it down for his case too, 745 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,839 Speaker 4: or they took a look at it as well. I mean, 746 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 4: he got done dirty because it was a conservative media 747 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 4: mogul out of Canada and they just they just wanted 748 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 4: to take him out and they did, and it was 749 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 4: I mean, that sounds like the Conrad Black case. He's 750 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 4: still in prison. No, he served a few years, but 751 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 4: super wealthy, super smart guy, great writer himself actually, and 752 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 4: they locked him up for Scalia ended up saying, if 753 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 4: you can lock somebody up under the statue, you can 754 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 4: lock up a politician for getting a good table at 755 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:51,760 Speaker 4: a restaurant. 756 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 3: How long did Martha Stewart get Do you think I'd 757 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 3: do better in prison than Martha? No, she's very well organized.